Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

given that people tolerate his random posting, he must have some goddam incredible reads when he gets serious.

:laugh4:

Look, fine. I can't keep up any longer until EoD.

Crimson should live, as should novice - he is the intermediary between Stork and DP101 (in terms of style and leads, not alignment).

Vote: Riedquat for pocket-work

[Montmorency]

Unvote: Pelican
Vote: Riedquat

[Dp101]

Cuth is coming off worser in the discussion with Stork. And I actually started from a position of Stork being scummy.

Stork is coming off as calmer with a clearer plan as to how he is going to win the argument, but in this particular case (confirmation bias incoming) I think it reflects better on Cuth, because Stork (again assuming he is a wolf) would be absolutely certain as to how to correctly go after him due to having better alignment information, and right now his near unshakable conviction that Cuth is a wolf based off of honestly not that much in my eyes makes me feel that the wolf explanation is more likely for his confidence, again because he has no reason to be this confident about this as town. The above might not make that much sense, I know my logic is a little convoluted right now.

[Cuthillius]

Unvote: Pelican
Vote: Riedquat

well at least you unvoted pelican

[Visor]

dps posts are okay

i can't shake the feeling that he is somehow mafia though

just putting it out there

[Dp101]

dps posts are okay

i can't shake the feeling that he is somehow mafia though

just putting it out there

Who would you see with me if I were mafia?

[CrimsonFox]

i just isoed a bunch of lowposters...oh man they all need to post more.

ried isn't posting much except for commentary.
choxorn is friggin horrible.
john is being silly and i could see being town. voting for winston a lot. do you know him? is he acting odd?
newyn being obtuse and demanding not to read the thread. gee... voting and giving reasons at least.
al sharpton...hmmm seems to be paying attention and voting based off things
there are these things...
"I say El Barto is more crazy when town. When he starts making sense, it's a scumtell."
"I think this is a townie concern."
"This somewhat feels like a buddying attempt, actually."
-analyzing gameplay...but a little generically. hmmmm

[Stork]

I like his reads more than your's, and again, I trust El's opinion mostly because given that people tolerate his random posting, he must have some goddam incredible reads when he gets serious. And also, you know, the whole confirmed villager thing. I also dislike your minimal involvement on day 1.

I had like 80 posts day 1 and was very active at the end of the day so saying I wasn't involved seems pretty disingenuous
There are people that have under 10 posts in this game

[CrimsonFox]

dps posts are okay

i can't shake the feeling that he is somehow mafia though

just putting it out there

dp101 is town to me. I'm towning this townboy

[Dp101]

I had like 80 posts day 1 and was very active at the end of the day so saying I wasn't involved seems pretty disingenuous
There are people that have under 10 posts in this game

Ok, I must be misremembering about the day 1 stuff. I just got the impression that you were only really nudging the conversation from one suspect to another, rather than staking out the big cases, which feels like textbook day 1 wolf play. Also agree on the low posters, finding it a little disappointed.

[CrimsonFox]

Ok, I must be misremembering about the day 1 stuff. I just got the impression that you were only really nudging the conversation from one suspect to another, rather than staking out the big cases, which feels like textbook day 1 wolf play. Also agree on the low posters, finding it a little disappointed.

or textbook villa play

it's day one. you look at everybody that's talkin... no matter what you are

[Dp101]

or textbook villa play

it's day one. you look at everybody that's talkin... no matter what you are

I don't see what makes it more villager than mafia? The way I see it, day 1 mafia wants to post just enough to push the lynch target away from them, and have no reason to take risks, so only make small posts to guide the vote. Town are the ones who try and make very definite posts,

[Stork]

I don't see what makes it more villager than mafia? The way I see it, day 1 mafia wants to post just enough to push the lynch target away from them, and have no reason to take risks, so only make small posts to guide the vote. Town are the ones who try and make very definite posts,

And yet in the same breath you are saying that how vehement I am that cute is a wolf is wolfy???

[Dp101]

And yet in the same breath you are saying that how vehement I am that cute is a wolf is wolfy???

Yes, because time has passed and the situation is different. I'm going to stop posting now, I have a really bad migraine and it is making it difficult to focus on making coherent posts.

[Stork]

Yes, because time has passed and the situation is different. I'm going to stop posting now, I have a really bad migraine and it is making it difficult to focus on making coherent posts.

I was gonna ask you in what significant way the game state had changed such that you expect wolves to have changed the way they are playing completely and obviously in the last 36 hours, but given you are off

And yes, the latter is evident, it must be quite a migraine.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't see what makes it more villager than mafia? The way I see it, day 1 mafia wants to post just enough to push the lynch target away from them, and have no reason to take risks, so only make small posts to guide the vote. Town are the ones who try and make very definite posts,

did i say more? no i did not
STFU cutey patooty

[CrimsonFox]

whoops i thought that was stork
heh

[novice]

Army life is relaxed so far, but don't expect active defense from me. Don't let that stop you all from bandwagoning me though.

[atheotes]

Army life is relaxed so far, but don't expect active defense from me. Don't let that stop you all from bandwagoning me though.

I am voting for you based on your tone really. so there is not much active defense reqd.
Who do you think are scum/town and for what reasons.

[Choxorn]

I mean its possible he is just inactive town, which is kind of annoying.

I am just inactive town.

I honestly have no real opinions on anything at this point. You guys all know how bad I am at reading people early on. Nothing said by any of the people I'm familiar with has struck me as particularly alignment indicative one way or the other. The new people I don't know well enough to be able to read. Crimson and DP are really weird but that doesn't mean they're scummy and it seems like DP's wagon is pushed only by people who haven't played with him.

And I don't see why people are voting for Monty, or Riedquat, or Pelican. At all.

[CrimsonFox]

I am just inactive town.

I honestly have no real opinions on anything at this point. You guys all know how bad I am at reading people early on. Nothing said by any of the people I'm familiar with has struck me as particularly alignment indicative one way or the other. The new people I don't know well enough to be able to read. Crimson and DP are really weird but that doesn't mean they're scummy and it seems like DP's wagon is pushed only by people who haven't played with him.

And I don't see why people are voting for Monty, or Riedquat, or Pelican. At all.

[Unaltered comment under spoilers. You decide whether it's pertinent or not. - GH]jesus,

well how about getting active

you have NO opinions at all...

that's such a #*%&*# thing to do to a game and the person that created it. YOu signed up. ****ing play

[novice]

I am voting for you based on your tone really. so there is not much active defense reqd.
Who do you think are scum/town and for what reasons.

Yeah I figured.

Not caught up, so refer to my previous reads. I'll try to summarize for you and for myself.

Monty - Not committing to anything, always maintaining deniability.
Riedquat - Not playing and Barto's preferred choice.
BSmith - Low signal to noise ratio.

Based on recent skimming:
Visor - Unfounded and IMO bad reads
Cuthilius - Up and down in scumminess but loses a TD to Stork
DP101 - All over the place, incoherent and inconsistent reasoning, moving from "too wrong to be scum" to "too scummy to be town".
Hanky - Still needs to shine.

Town reads:
Stork
Pelican
Crimson
Winston
ATPG

Gonna list the rest in a separate post and see if I have anything on them.

[novice]

Atheotes: I like that he wants to examine BSmith and that he prefers Stork over Cuth.

[CrimsonFox]

heya novice, what about khaan

why is winston a town read?

and yeah some of hanky's posts suck

[CrimsonFox]

clox is worse than ried to me

[CrimsonFox]

cuth is trending up a little.
casting a detect pocket spell

[novice]

Winston plays the way he's done as town with me previously. Admittedly I don't know his scum game.

Murska: Votes Cuth, and now Monty for not scumhunting. I like it.

[novice]

Khaan looks townish, his exasperation with offsiters changing the metal seems genuine, and I tend to agree that his spite vote is a town tell.

[CrimsonFox]

i admit i am not finding a lot of towny behavior. will have to reread things tomorrow


Crimson
Monty
DP101
Stork

Pelican
atheotes

novice

ATPG - true neutral, no idea

murksa
Cuthilius
Riedquat

Hanky
Winston
BSmith

Visor

Khaan
Choxorn

[novice]

Newyn: Soft claiming seems like bad town play but unnecessarily risky scum play since we're not really pursuing lurkers yet.

Choxorn: Reserve judgement.

[novice]

Al: So far so good, voted BSmith yesterday and is fighting an urge to vote Monty.

[novice]

Johnhugh is also not playing.
I think that's everyone. Battery level 66%.

[novice]

I feel like he's not trying to scumhunt.

This was actually referring to Cuthilius. Not obvious when ISOing. Here's the Monty vote:


Because you're not vig?

Vote: Montmorency for now, because I generally agree with Pelican.

[novice]

Quoted For Emphasis:


I'll tell you why I'm still harping on Monty: even if this is his normal style, I think it's a style that works well for wolf play and not for town. I still don't know if I could accurately state his opinion on any other player right now. Like it seemed like he thought Winston was scum, or El Barto voters maybe? But he approached it in the language of hypotheticals and generalities, which is so convenient as a wolf because later on he can wriggle out of any accusations based on his opinions. And when confronted on it, the best he can give in response is an OMGUS vote against me? Like, my concern could be nonsense but if it is that's not clearly evident because myself and other players obviously don't see the logical problems with it. So then a helpful response is to refute it so I can right my thinking and focus on better targets. Or maybe my concern is valid, in which case, while I'll acknowledge that you're entitled to play according to your style, you couldn't just oblige me and commit to an accusation?


To say that I have not made commitments in factual statements, while claiming that simple statement of "I think X is town/scum" constitutes a real commitment, is kindly put obscurantist bogus.
I really don't see how.


monty is rarely the kind of person to be a pinning down type from my experience with him
Ok? He must be a very successful scummie then?

[johnhughthom]

OOC: I think some people need to realise not everybody plays the game the way they do, and I'm pretty sure if Zack had an issue with how Choxorn, or myself, were playing, he'd send us a pm telling us to get our shiny metal asses in gear. I've read the thread, all of it, and simply haven't found anything worth commenting on that hasn't been mentioned. I could post a number of pointless posts, but that would give other players searching for the wheat in the chaff even more chaff to search through. Fair enough when a game is quiet and not much posting being done to call people out on inactivity, when it's as active as this game, I don't see the issue. Like many in the org, I see a mafia game as something I do to interact with people I enjoy talking with online, solving the game or winning are not that important, I think that throws people from other sites, where winning and solving the game are paramount. Plus when there is as much irritability and rudeness as this thread, I simply couldn't be bothered. I could also claim that rping my role would encourage little activity, but that would be disingenuous, if true. :bow:

IC: Lot's of angry rasping tongues in here, I could put them to much better use. Ah ha ah ha ha ha.

[novice]

i don't particularly understand how the latter part of this follows from the first part

seems just as possible it is v/v than v/w

Me neither


Cuth is coming off worser in the discussion with Stork. And I actually started from a position of Stork being scummy.

Cuth comes off looking townier than before IMO.

John: but nobody's discussing Winston, your target. Nothing worth saying about him?

Battery level 77% :D
Time to go shooting.

[Choxorn]

jesus,

well how about getting active

you have NO opinions at all...

I echo what john said a few posts ago. Sometimes I just have nothing to say, okay? It's early, it's hard for me to come up with anything.



that's such a #*%&*# thing to do to a game and the person that created it. YOu signed up. ****ing play

Why don't YOU quit having an attitude like this towards a bunch of the other players. I AM watching the thread, and I AM playing, even if I'm not saying as much as you'd like.

[Murska]

Okay, damn timezones. Not much was being posted, I went to sleep, wake up to having to catch up ten pages.

Well, I've caught up now. Monty's looking a little bit better than they were earlier, mostly because they haven't shown any stress about the early votes on them. Still willing to vote Cuth. Newyn's, ehh, probably not scum but I wouldn't bet my life on that yet, based on what I know of him.

Scum vibes on Visor and BSmith based on the quick reread. I don't have much concrete, since I don't have time to iso those now. I'll probably not be very active until some time after day end, unfortunately, but I'll try to use my phone to keep an eye on things regardless.

[Murska]

Unvote: Mothmorency
Vote: Visor

[Montmorency]

I really don't see how.


When staking out connections, commenting on the game course, and leaving a paper trail of interactions does not constitute commitment vis-a-vis plain read lists, then you must participate in some very vacuous games.

Reads are just padding to the real meat of the game. That's my position. Now shoo.

[johnhughthom]

John: but nobody's discussing Winston, your target. Nothing worth saying about him?

Here, and at CFC, there's a long standing tradition that Winston and I vote each other on day 1. I will also vote for him through the game if I don't have any strong feelings towards another player, I will take the vote off if it looks like there's a chance he'll be lynched and I don't see the case. A vote from me on Winston with no reasoning posted is basically "I got nothing". Lazy? Yes. Scummy? Maybe. Do I care? No.

[Visor]

aye i gotta echo the sentiment wrt attitude

this aint mu

it aint pog

deal with it

[Visor]

there is an annoying trend on some sites to just automtically read low posters scummy

you gotta search em

i rescind my choxorn read

Visor
JHT
choxorn

top towns

lets roll

[Visor]

Unvote: Mothmorency
Vote: Visor

this vote seems disingenous

i have been hard defending monty all phase and yet you switch from monty to me?

So if you don't think your read on monty holds water, why am I a suspect?

[Visor]

people with the idea that town always plays one way and scum always play another

are destined to lose most of their games

you gotta consider the situation and players and the words

lazy play like that will get you nowhere

[Newyn]

I am just inactive town.

I honestly have no real opinions on anything at this point. You guys all know how bad I am at reading people early on. Nothing said by any of the people I'm familiar with has struck me as particularly alignment indicative one way or the other. The new people I don't know well enough to be able to read. Crimson and DP are really weird but that doesn't mean they're scummy and it seems like DP's wagon is pushed only by people who haven't played with him.

And I don't see why people are voting for Monty, or Riedquat, or Pelican. At all.

This guy is lock town. Trust me.

[Murska]

this vote seems disingenous

i have been hard defending monty all phase and yet you switch from monty to me?

So if you don't think your read on monty holds water, why am I a suspect?

You're a suspect because you're not trying to find scum. Defense of town means nothing alignment wise, plus I'm not exactly convinced Monty isn't scum. He's barely edged over to neutral status.

[Visor]

You're a suspect because you're not trying to find scum. Defense of town means nothing alignment wise, plus I'm not exactly convinced Monty isn't scum. He's barely edged over to neutral status.

That's completely disingenuous and ignoring what has gone on this phase and this game in general.


Such a lazy argument.

He's town, get on with your life.

[Visor]

Not trying to find scum rofl

I suggested a bunch of wagons that nobody was going against and said my reasons against all of them

i mean you can go ahead and lie if you want and I'll go quote the posts

but you have no leg to stand on here.

[GeneralHankerchief]

To our out-of-towners, I'm glad you're here, but I strongly recommend you familiarize yourselves with the Rules and Reference thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?135992-Gameroom-Rules-and-Reference-READ-THIS-BEFORE-PLAYING&p=2053323525&viewfull=1#post2053323525). This is supposed to be a friendly-but-competitive atmosphere, emphasis on the "friendly", and posts outside the grounds of common courtesy will not be tolerated.

I'm tired of having to peruse this thread to make sure posts are in line instead of looking for mafia. Be excellent to each other... or else. :bow: :viking:

[GeneralHankerchief]

My town core right now is Monty-Crimson-Visor-Pelican-Choxorn, though with the caveat that Visor could be potentially powering through and trying to take Choxorn along for the ride. Will deal with that down the line.

[Visor]

My town core right now is Monty-Crimson-Visor-Pelican-Choxorn, though with the caveat that Visor could be potentially powering through and trying to take Choxorn along for the ride. Will deal with that down the line.

if I was powering through I wouldn't have suspected him in the first place

though maybe its fair for you to suspect i changed my game up from champs

[GeneralHankerchief]

You had a game in champs? :tongue:

[Cuthillius]

And yet in the same breath you are saying that how vehement I am that cute is a wolf is wolfy???

I get that a lot.

[Visor]

You had a game in champs? :tongue:

T.T

[Cuthillius]

This is not quite pro-level analysis, but yes Chox is probably town.

Apart from that not much happened over the night and I still think we should lynch novice.

[novice]

:laugh4:

Look, fine. I can't keep up any longer until EoD.

Crimson should live, as should novice - he is the intermediary between Stork and DP101 (in terms of style and leads, not alignment).

Vote: Riedquat for pocket-work


When staking out connections, commenting on the game course, and leaving a paper trail of interactions does not constitute commitment vis-a-vis plain read lists, then you must participate in some very vacuous games.

Reads are just padding to the real meat of the game. That's my position. Now shoo.

Ok. Truce. Vote: BSmith

Why should I live?

[Montmorency]

Despite my earlier frustration, having you around to complement each other is a good idea until proven otherwise. I can better differentiate you now.

[BSmith]

I haven’t really been able to keep up the past little bit. Can someone paraphrase the leading cases? Is the day really ending in a few hours, or will it be at the same time (8:30PM Central) that the phases have ended previously? Not sure if my countdown is messing up or if it is legit.

I honestly don’t have strong reads one way or the other here. I’m willing to sheep and work to keep the wagons close.

I still have my feathers ruffled by Crimson Fox but I think I am just irked by the way he has gone about things and not necessarily that he is a wolf. That said he should still do as I asked last night and post before the deadline who he targets when/if he gets to target anyone. I thought I had unvote: Crimson, but apparently I did it wrong.

And for those saying I am low content… it is D2. I’m probably higher content than average for me at this point in the game. It just seems low due to the sheer volume in the thread (over 1,000 posts already?!), and the fact that I have been focused on the Crimson Fox situation.


Scum vibes on Visor and BSmith based on the quick reread

Sadly there has never been a Visor/BSmith scum team.


This guy is lock town. Trust me.

Are you a travelling man?

[Visor]

Sadly there has never been a Visor/BSmith scum team.


:( one day.

[BSmith]

...and when that day comes, one of us will be randomly lynched on D1. I can see it now.

[Visor]

...and when that day comes, one of us will be randomly lynched on D1. I can see it now.

it will be just as bad as the time we were both serial killers :laugh4:

[CrimsonFox]

I haven’t really been able to keep up the past little bit. Can someone paraphrase the leading cases? Is the day really ending in a few hours, or will it be at the same time (8:30PM Central) that the phases have ended previously? Not sure if my countdown is messing up or if it is legit.

I honestly don’t have strong reads one way or the other here. I’m willing to sheep and work to keep the wagons close.

I still have my feathers ruffled by Crimson Fox but I think I am just irked by the way he has gone about things and not necessarily that he is a wolf. That said he should still do as I asked last night and post before the deadline who he targets when/if he gets to target anyone. I thought I had unvote: Crimson, but apparently I did it wrong.

And for those saying I am low content… it is D2. I’m probably higher content than average for me at this point in the game. It just seems low due to the sheer volume in the thread (over 1,000 posts already?!), and the fact that I have been focused on the Crimson Fox situation.



Sadly there has never been a Visor/BSmith scum team.



Are you a travelling man?

Ooooooooooooooookay then! Now that the Bonnie Crimson Situation has been thoroughly dealt with, Hows about taking one of your patented long multiquote posts and giving us a nice list of reads. There is plenty to work with. Even a partial list will do.

PS Oak is nice

[CrimsonFox]

This is not quite pro-level analysis, but yes Chox is probably town.

Apart from that not much happened over the night and I still think we should lynch novice.

He still shouldn't live past day 3.
Don't at all let him get far enough into this game that we are forced to choose between inactives and noninactives

[Askthepizzaguy]

How do you feel about Visor reading me scummish for that early stuff?

No offense to Visor, but I'm no longer reading his alignment based off of his day one "suspicions". He has admitted in several games that he doesn't put much thought into them.

And this is a guy I greatly respect for his town and his mafia game. I just know that the good stuff comes later, if it does. Or he's scum.

Or it's that 1 out of 20 really bad town games.

[Askthepizzaguy]

May have meant "effort" there, but the idea is the same. It's gut feelings if that, snap read off of one post to be reversed an hour later, kind of deal.

I can't read someone's alignment based off of what is essentially random noise.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I claimed a vig. Yet there was no shot.

People seem up in arms about that yet no one has actually theorized why

Not a vig, roleblocked, holstered, hit a bulletproof, the list goes on.

Why people want to make a permanent decision based off of one data point, when the answers to the above would become clearer with at least an additional data point, I don't know.

This is like lynching the claimed cop or the counterclaiming cop on day one. It's ridiculous. That situation resolves itself when we have spare lynches.

[Dp101]

I just had a crazy idea. Why don't you lynch me? You will most likely get more information out of it than if we kept arguing in circles about voting blocks and such, and I am vanilla so I will still be able to post. We do lose one lynch day out of it, but we are frankly probably going to lynch a villager anyway, and at least this way we know we won't lose a poster. I'm pretty sure this idea is insane levels of crackpot, but I feel like doing something kind of odd. Thoughts?

[CrimsonFox]

I just had a crazy idea. Why don't you lynch me? You will most likely get more information out of it than if we kept arguing in circles about voting blocks and such, and I am vanilla so I will still be able to post. We do lose one lynch day out of it, but we are frankly probably going to lynch a villager anyway, and at least this way we know we won't lose a poster. I'm pretty sure this idea is insane levels of crackpot, but I feel like doing something kind of odd. Thoughts?

i don't lynch town that's why

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmmm.... Unless I'm mistaken, it was Visor's Rise o' Teh Snek Cult (http://"https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151176-Rise-of-The-Snake-Cult-Concluded). Got mowed by winston on the 2nd day. :laugh4:

Not as useful given the short time frame. It's been forever since I squared off against mafia-you. I don't think your meta has changed that much in nearly a decade of playing so I'm trusting what I remember from really long ago.


Pizza is... .decidedly quiet this game, despite his earlier run of posts. At least, based on what I'm used to. Old me would be very suspicious of this, but new me is a bit more lenient on the "rl gets in teh way" excuse than old me. Still, mild suspicion.
I would care a lot more about my post count or length of commentary if I were scum. Been cutting down on my jabber, starting last game where I got lynched D1.

My quality of analysis is proportional to the length of time I'm alive. Running up 300 posts by day 3 and finding no scums doesn't do anyone any good.


Seeing some suspicion lobbed at Cuth. Not totally sure why. Am I missing something?

The activity I was looking at was early to mid day 1. Later on, looking at everything as a whole, it's better.

If you look, do you feel a change, or was it exactly as townie the entire way through? It wasn't, for me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There's four more pages before I'm even caught up.

I renew my assertion that me cutting down on my own jabber was a wise course of action. This thread could easily have another 3 pages on top of that just from me talking and people responding to that.

[Montmorency]

Pizza, who do you predict will be lynched today, and why?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want novice and choxorn wagons

Choxorn because low-posting, which is not out of the usual, or because of vote pattern / content of posts? Why that name?

[Askthepizzaguy]

4 Montmorency (@Pelican, @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369), @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377), @Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100373))

stop voting monty.

I don't think monty really cares about the game when he's scum. From my experience watching him be a SK. I kinda feel like he treats the game as a casual game in either role and gets more hyped up about being town.

I think his pattern this game is the latter. Not saying I've ever been particularly good at reading him, however. I usually don't try.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cuth
DP
Pizza
Pelican
Visor

Crimson

the rest of the world

novice
Stork

Flesh out your thoughts on Novice and Stork a bit. Or link me because I didn't see it, with my apologies for not seeing it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, who do you predict will be lynched today, and why?

I'm not in real time yet. I also don't know what a prediction would do for the solving of the game.

Dinner is coming. You know nothing, Mon Snow-rency.

After dinner I will be able to real time chat. Unless it's super important, lmk.

[Montmorency]

I usually don't try.

I see. Enjoy the meal.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i see this in his town range, but way out of his scum range

ymmv
This is true, for what it's worth.

I am not going to start under-posting just because that's not my scum playbook, for the record. That would be the easiest way out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

i can't define them

i just think the way he laid out his thoughts over those posts

and the fact that he did it over that many

and his tone

were pure

You just used the scattered thoughts town-tell on me.

I used that in one of the champs games, iirc. I think I could fake this as scum fairly easily, it just doesn't really occur to me to try.

[Askthepizzaguy]

generally i've seen it in a big post with an agenda

It does look like more work was actually done and more thought was expended that way, even if it was the same amount.

[Zack]

Is the day really ending in a few hours, or will it be at the same time (8:30PM Central) that the phases have ended previously? Not sure if my countdown is messing up or if it is legit.
The countdown is correct, I noted the early end in the end of night update. Not sure when I will be available tonight.

[BSmith]

Ooooooooooooooookay then! Now that the Bonnie Crimson Situation has been thoroughly dealt with, Hows about taking one of your patented long multiquote posts and giving us a nice list of reads. There is plenty to work with. Even a partial list will do.

PS Oak is nice


I barely have the time to read through the thread once. I am certainly not able at present to go back through 1000+ posts and do detailed reads. General reads are as follows:

Al Sipsclar – not many posts. Mostly voting for me. Not really out of character. Null.
Askthepizzaguy – Pizza is Pizza.
atheotes – no real read
BSmith – me
Choxorn – low poster. Not out of norm. has people vouching for him, slight town on that alone.
CrimsonFox – we all know how I feel about you.
Cuthillius – I can see the pocket theory. He has done it to me as well, hinting that he sees me as town. Since Pizza did the “pocket denied” post a while back I have been more sensitive to his praise of others. Could be attempting to pocket. Could just be calling town as he sees it. Maybe slight scum.
Dp101 – all over the place. Hard for me to see him as scum with what and how he has been posting.
GeneralHankerchief – no real read one way or the other.
johnhughthom – JHT is being JHT – no real read
Montmorency – Don’t see the scumminess here. Tend to agree with Pizza (I think?) that he is more engaged with this game. Hard to read him usually. Not inclined to think he is scum.
Murska – no real read
Newyn – interesting soft claim he made. Combined with his support of Choxy. I want him to answer my question on if he is a travelling man.
novice – no real read
Pelican – tone and content feels town to me.
Riedquat – no real read
seireikhaan – probably town based on his tone, but he is also hard to read
Stork – no real read
Visor – Visor is visor. He could go either way, honestly
Winston Hughes – Same as with visor. Could go either way here too.

So there you have it. Not much in the way of anything solid tbh.

[BSmith]

The countdown is correct, I noted the early end in the end of night update. Not sure when I will be available tonight.

Got it. Thanks. Sorry I missed that in the update!

[CrimsonFox]

good start

and i don't expect you to read the whole thread twice at all.

ISOs help by only reading one person.

So your posts where you say visor is visor and pizza is pizza. tell me about those two
you seem to be saying that this is how they act normally i guess?

if that's true what is it about them that makes you feel that they are town if indeed that's what you think they are

[Zack]

Official Tally

3 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes)
3 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency)

2 CrimsonFox (Winston Hughes, khaan)

1 BSmith (novice)
1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

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4 Not Voting: BSmith, Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Dp101]

I like pizza so far.

[CrimsonFox]

Not a vig, roleblocked, holstered, hit a bulletproof, the list goes on.

Why people want to make a permanent decision based off of one data point, when the answers to the above would become clearer with at least an additional data point, I don't know.

This is like lynching the claimed cop or the counterclaiming cop on day one. It's ridiculous. That situation resolves itself when we have spare lynches.

initial thoughts are that one or more of those people are wolves just throwing shade, the rest inexperienced i guess?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Eating while working on this game. Slow.


this vote seems disingenous

i have been hard defending monty all phase and yet you switch from monty to me?

So if you don't think your read on monty holds water, why am I a suspect?

Unsure about this post. This is not a straight A --> B connection.

Why are you using his changing of position regarding Monty as a factor in the question of asking why you're a suspect?

I don't think the two things connect.

[CrimsonFox]

I like pizza so far.

me too. not sure if i've played with him before. maybe a turbo?
or a big mash where i didn't know he was there?

but he is giving reads and hunting at least

[Dp101]

initial thoughts are that one or more of those people are wolves just throwing shade, the rest inexperienced i guess?
I don't buy inexperienced, the people questioning your claim appear to know what they are doing.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't buy inexperienced, the people questioning your claim appear to know what they are doing.

yet claiming they "haven't read the thread" or "they have no opinions" or "could go either way"

[Montmorency]

Sure, you like him now, but soon he'll be cold and stale, but you'll still want another slice.

"Why do I want it so badly?", you will ask yourself. And that's when he gets you.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't buy inexperienced, the people questioning your claim appear to know what they are doing.

i mean obvious wolves are obvious wolves sometimes but i'd not think multiple wolves would be so obvious as to do that.
i guess instead of inexperience i could say "just plain wrong"

[Dp101]

yet claiming they "haven't read the thread" or "they have no opinions" or "could go either way"

I meant earlier. I see what you mean though, some of them do appear to be kind of inexperienced.

[Stork]

oh wow

eod is in an hour and a bit?

its already almost 4am

[CrimsonFox]

i mean theorizing that i could have been a a wolf therefore the claim is fine, but yeah tunneling on that is indeed silly.
gotta suss out the difference

[Stork]

not gonna make it another hour

Vote: Bsmith

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just had a crazy idea. Why don't you lynch me? You will most likely get more information out of it than if we kept arguing in circles about voting blocks and such, and I am vanilla so I will still be able to post. We do lose one lynch day out of it, but we are frankly probably going to lynch a villager anyway, and at least this way we know we won't lose a poster. I'm pretty sure this idea is insane levels of crackpot, but I feel like doing something kind of odd. Thoughts?

Appreciate the gesture/ feeling behind the idea but the best move is always lynching the scum that scums don't want to lynch, rather than a townie or one the scums could gambit with. You're the former.

[BSmith]

good start

and i don't expect you to read the whole thread twice at all.

ISOs help by only reading one person.

So your posts where you say visor is visor and pizza is pizza. tell me about those two
you seem to be saying that this is how they act normally i guess?

if that's true what is it about them that makes you feel that they are town if indeed that's what you think they are

Visor and Pizza are both 1 percenters, in that they are in the top tier of mafia players. Either one is extremely capable of coming across town as mafia or vice versa.

I can usually suss Visor out in a networking game where we have a lot of one-on-one conversations. This isn’t one of those games. Pizza is almost always an enigma.

To be clear here I am not saying that I feel they are town. I am saying that I am not feeling them at all one way or the other, and at this stage in the game with what both have posted it would be dangerous for anyone else to do so either.

ISOs are only so helpful, as you are at danger of reading things out of context and misinterpreting things. I do find them useful for finding a specific post that you remember a player making and want to go back and review.

[Zack]

I could postpone eod until later tonight (around the d1 time or later), but I probably won't be around to do tallies and stuff, and the update might be late.

[Stork]

I could postpone eod until later tonight (around the d1 time or later), but I probably won't be around to do tallies and stuff, and the update might be late.

don't postpone it on account of me

[Stork]

bsmith seems to care more about giving non-reads than reads

[Montmorency]

Pizza, when will you demand that someone scan/track you? Is that passe?

[Dp101]

Pizza, when will you demand that someone scan/track you? Is that passe?

What, does he do that often?

[Zack]

don't postpone it on account of me

well you weren't the first person to remark on the early eod

people can PM me their preference for whether to keep it at 3pm edt when I will be around to post tallies and stuff, or have it at 10 or 11 pm edt when I might not be around and the update could be late.

[CrimsonFox]

Sure, you like him now, but soon he'll be cold and stale, but you'll still want another slice.

"Why do I want it so badly?", you will ask yourself. And that's when he gets you.

meh...let's just go donate blood.

"Who's Blood?"

eh...some guy,,,

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, when will you demand that someone scan/track you? Is that passe?

If I decided on such an action it would probably be a spreadsheet solve game where burning a tracker or watcher action on me wasn't a large investment.

Feel free but you want to catch scum blocker, killer, tracker, etc.

[Montmorency]

What, does he do that often?

He can be somewhat boastful, saying that scanners should waste a scan on him to discover that he is pure town and they are totally wrong. Some of you aren't familiar with Pizza, so let me just say that there can be many layers to every single thing he posts. Just don't get too tangled up over him, or you're doomed.

Or hey, I'll be interested to see how your methods measure up against him, who claims to be unreadable.

(Don't take this as condescension, Pizza, I say it with all respect for your skills).

[Askthepizzaguy]

well you weren't the first person to remark on the early eod

people can PM me their preference for whether to keep it at 3pm edt when I will be around to post tallies and stuff, or have it at 10 or 11 pm edt when I might not be around and the update could be late. If end of round is com
ing sooner rather than later, how many hours will remain in the round?

It might actually be possible for me to be here at EOD if it weren't at 2 or 3am Norwegian time. But I'm the oddball out so I recommend sticking with the standard time or going with the vast majority.

Phantom new paragraph bug strikes again. Tired of correcting it several times while typing a post.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He can be somewhat boastful, saying that scanners should waste a scan on him to discover that he is pure town and they are totally wrong. Some of you aren't familiar with Pizza, so let me just say that there can be many layers to every single thing he posts. Just don't get too tangled up over him, or you're doomed.

Or hey, I'll be interested to see how your methods measure up against him, who claims to be unreadable.

(Don't take this as condescension, Pizza, I say it with all respect for your skills).

If I'm asking to be scanned, I have a perfect plan for how to deal with it if I'm scum.

I should do this as town rarely.

[Zack]

If end of round is com
ing sooner rather than later, how many hours will remain in the round?

It might actually be possible for me to be here at EOD if it weren't at 2 or 3am Norwegian time. But I'm the oddball out so I recommend sticking with the standard time or going with the vast majority.

Phantom new paragraph bug strikes again. Tired of correcting it several times while typing a post.

1 hour and 5 minutes

or 8/9 hours

unless there's some overwhelming support in the next few minutes I'll stick with the current eod in about an hour

[BSmith]

bsmith seems to care more about giving non-reads than reads

Just calling it how I see it. It is still only D2.


well you weren't the first person to remark on the early eod

people can PM me their preference for whether to keep it at 3pm edt when I will be around to post tallies and stuff, or have it at 10 or 11 pm edt when I might not be around and the update could be late.

I’m fine either way. I likely won’t be around at EOD regardless of what time it is.

That said, I’m gonna vote: Novice over Reidquat.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did not iso novice yet. Will do so now, given the time remaining. Thought I had more time to real-time, gonna skip it until ISO is done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I request anyone available who is voting novice and has a case for doing so please link me to said case or restate it.

2 CrimsonFox (Winston Hughes, khaan) <--------Not voting here
1 BSmith (novice)
1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Cuthillius (Stork)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief) <-----no
1 Montmorency (Pelican) <-------no
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Winston Hughes (john) <-------no

In case you're voting for non-novice or non-Reidquat and want my vote on the non-no people above, lmk that as well.

[Zack]

Sticking with planned eod time, which is in 56 minutes. Or more precisely, when the timer hits zero.

[Cuthillius]

pizza have changed my mind on stork, novice is prodding at odd posts and not talking about other things in a generally scummy way, also did a "scumreading the thread" post

[Askthepizzaguy]

pizza have changed my mind on stork, novice is prodding at odd posts and not talking about other things in a generally scummy way, also did a "scumreading the thread" post

Remind me where it is currently. I think you've had both positions at least once. I'm not willing to burn too much time looking.

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes, BSmith)

3 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency)

2 BSmith (novice, Stork)
2 CrimsonFox (Winston Hughes, khaan)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Cuthillius]

Remind me where it is currently. I think you've had both positions at least once. I'm not willing to burn too much time looking.

i think he's town

the way he's attacked me the last two days is not bad, particularly at the beginning of this discussion today

[Winston Hughes]

Didn't realise day was ending so early. Will try to catch up in time for eod.

vote: Riedquat for now.

[Cuthillius]

I should be around for EoD

right now I'm activating the texture of a simplified Bach excerpt

[Cuthillius]

Didn't realise day was ending so early. Will try to catch up in time for eod.

vote: Riedquat for now.

why?

[Cuthillius]

and if it's just to tie that's great, but please change it before eod unless you can actually come up with a convincing case for ried

[Winston Hughes]

why?

Firstly because I've not found him scummy, and he's posted a lot more than Riedquat.

Secondly because you and Visor are both riding high in my scum rankings.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Appreciate the gesture/ feeling behind the idea but the best move is always lynching the scum that scums don't want to lynch, rather than a townie or one the scums could gambit with. You're the former.

Who are you and what have you done with Pizza.

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes, BSmith)
4 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

2 BSmith (novice, Stork)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Dp101 (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd actually like to get a train started on Winston, if possible.

Unvote: Dp101
Vote: Winston

[Winston Hughes]

Firstly because I've not found him scummy, and he's posted a lot more than Riedquat.

To be 100% clear, by 'him' I mean novice.

[Winston Hughes]

I'd actually like to get a train started on Winston, if possible.

Unvote: Dp101
Vote: Winston

Why?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who are you and what have you done with Pizza.

The brain slug planet is a really nice vacation spot, GH. Join me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why?

Because I think you're mafia.

[Winston Hughes]

Because I think you're mafia.

Why?

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 novice (Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes, BSmith)
4 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

2 BSmith (novice, Stork)
2 Winston Hughes (john, GH)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

---

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why?

I have a pet theory that scum is more likely to engineer a push on the "disruptive" players (read: fox) because it appears to be a good town move on the surface. This was you and khaan, and khaan's acting like khaan.

Add that to your last page or two which just seems forced and unnatural.

[Zack]

Realized I forgot to include Murska's vote on Visor in the last few tallies. Fixed.

[Dp101]

Dislike the Novice wagon. Also don't trust the general, so not going for winston. Go kill Riedquat.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Dislike the Novice wagon. Also don't trust the general, so not going for winston. Go kill Riedquat.

Go read Winston's last couple of pages and look at his case based on that, not based on me being its deliverer.

[Winston Hughes]

Well, you're wrong. After leaving drunkenrandomspam mode at the start, I've been completely genuine.

Not sure what more I can say against your accusation of being forced and unnatural.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dislike the Novice wagon. Also don't trust the general, so not going for winston. Go kill Riedquat.
Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes, BSmith

^Which is the worst looking?

[Winston Hughes]

I have a pet theory that scum is more likely to engineer a push on the "disruptive" players (read: fox) because it appears to be a good town move on the surface. This was you and khaan, and khaan's acting like khaan.

This part just seems to be you forcing me into a little box you created in advance. You're jumping from me voting Crimson for his claim to me pushing him for being disruptive simply to fit your theory.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Despite my earlier frustration, having you around to complement each other is a good idea until proven otherwise. I can better differentiate you now.
^
Reading novice, I saw this post after a novice post. I struggle to find a scum motive from a post such as this.

[novice]

It seemed to me Winston was pushing Crimson partially because of misunderstanding an "I'm not a vig" statement from Crimson.

[Cuthillius]

Firstly because I've not found him scummy, and he's posted a lot more than Riedquat.

Secondly because you and Visor are both riding high in my scum rankings.

I didn't ask why you're not voting novice, I asked why you're voting riedquat.

[Winston Hughes]

I didn't ask why you're not voting novice, I asked why you're voting riedquat.

Because I like his wagon better.

[Cuthillius]

Because I like his wagon better.

WHY

WHY DO YOU THINK HE MIGHT BE SCUM

AT ALL

vote:winston hughes

i don't like the way he's going into this EoD at all

does not seem like he's trying to win, which is disappointing compared to how much he can help as town

[Askthepizzaguy]

Novice, briefly describe your own mafia/wolf behavior for me.

[Cuthillius]

And if you are, please go ahead and show us.

[novice]

bsmith seems to care more about giving non-reads than reads

Yes.

Hanky is also lynchable.

Will vote Riedquat if nothing changes.

[Winston Hughes]

Well, my wife has just had a miscarriage. That might be affecting my game a little here.

[Cuthillius]

Yes.

Hanky is also lynchable.

Will vote Riedquat if nothing changes.

WHY IS RIEDQUAT SCUMMY

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)
3 Winston Hughes (john, GH, Cuthillius)

2 BSmith (novice, Stork)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Cuthillius]

Well, my wife has just had a miscarriage. That might be affecting my game a little here.

I'm sorry. :(

[Winston Hughes]

Also, I've not read half the posts in the thread, and have just shown up to find eod approaching hours before I thought.

[Cuthillius]

vote:novice

[novice]

Novice, briefly describe your own mafia/wolf behavior for me.

Weakly trying to emulate my town style, failing by finding too little to pounce on. Can only win via early bussing.

[Cuthillius]

Also, I've not read half the posts in the thread, and have just shown up to find eod approaching hours before I thought.

either way

please either don't vote or vote for someone you actually think is scum

[Cuthillius]

Weakly trying to emulate my town style, failing by finding too little to pounce on. Can only win via early bussing.

how would you describe town style

because just from what you said i would say your posting looks like scum behavior

[Askthepizzaguy]

Weakly trying to emulate my town style, failing by finding too little to pounce on. Can only win via early bussing.


I ISO'ed you, and I found your game to be very enjoyable to play with, perhaps a bit too polite or ingratiating and thus perhaps scummy because of that.

Would you say you've found a lot to pounce on?

[CrimsonFox]

Also, I've not read half the posts in the thread, and have just shown up to find eod approaching hours before I thought.

you still think I'm a wolf?

go iso me and read everything yesterday and today

[Dp101]

Visor, Cuthillius, atheotes, BSmith

^Which is the worst looking?

BSmith, not willing to pass judgement on atheotes until he posts more.

[novice]

WHY IS RIEDQUAT SCUMMY

I have to justify a defense vote?

He's not really playing yet and he's El Barto's choice.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm sorry. :(

It's okay. I didn't want to say, but I do want to play this game, and I'm clearly just going to be lynch bait if people don't understand why I'm acting weird.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why should Reid/novice/BSmith be given more time to be alive?

Not voting Winston (locked away as town before I even started posting, said so...)

[Cuthillius]

BSmith, not willing to pass judgement on atheotes until he posts more.

why does bsmith look bad

anything apart from not giving many reads per #words

[Cuthillius]

I have to justify a defense vote?

He's not really playing yet and he's El Barto's choice.

ugh

[novice]

Is a tie a no lynch or a random lynch?

[Askthepizzaguy]

BSmith, not willing to pass judgement on atheotes until he posts more.

I would vote BSmith here. Why not Reidquat first, is the question.

[Winston Hughes]

you still think I'm a wolf?

go iso me and read everything yesterday and today

My gut still says yes, but I'll give you a fair read once night falls.

[Montmorency]

I think novice would be the player here who bears the most similarity to our dear host.

[Cuthillius]

you're basically saying "no i don't want to lynch scum or try to get a cfd even though there are probably enough people around"

[Zack]

Official Tally

4 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith, Cuthillius)
4 Riedquat (Askthepizzaguy, Dp101, Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

2 BSmith (novice, Stork)
2 Winston Hughes (john, GH)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Cuthillius]

Is a tie a no lynch or a random lynch?

random

[Dp101]

why does bsmith look bad

anything apart from not giving many reads per #words

Too bad, because that's exactly why I'm voting him. That plus I don't particularly like the cases he has made.

[Zack]

Is a tie a no lynch or a random lynch?

random

[Cuthillius]

i'm having trouble coming up with any good lynches beyond riedquat

this concerns me a little

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Novice

Reasons go here

[Cuthillius]

feel strongly about townreads tho

[Cuthillius]

Vote: Novice

Reasons go here

? .

[Dp101]

i'm having trouble coming up with any good lynches beyond riedquat

this concerns me a little

Then maybe vote for him(assuming you aren't, the tally seems to think so).

[CrimsonFox]

Why should Reid/novice/BSmith be given more time to be alive?

Not voting Winston (locked away as town before I even started posting, said so...)

out of those, novice is the only one really trying. smith barely trying. His tunneling and list almost seems TWTBAW

[Cuthillius]

Then maybe vote for him(assuming you aren't, the tally seems to think so).

i'm sorry i meant novice not ried

[Zack]

Official Tally

5 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith, Cuthillius, Askthepizzaguy)

3 Riedquat (Dp101, Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

2 BSmith (novice, Stork)
2 Winston Hughes (john, GH)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[novice]

I ISO'ed you, and I found your game to be very enjoyable to play with, perhaps a bit too polite or ingratiating and thus perhaps scummy because of that.

Would you say you've found a lot to pounce on?

I always try to be polite and friendly. I guess I haven't found too much, no. I would have failed harder as scum, impossible to prove I know.

[Cuthillius]

crimson

vote sooner rather than later please

[CrimsonFox]

i'm having trouble coming up with any good lynches beyond riedquat

this concerns me a little

what you think of chox

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gonna vote BSmith at the :01 minute mark.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, my wife has just had a miscarriage. That might be affecting my game a little here.

Holy crap, I'm really sorry Winston.

[Cuthillius]

Gonna vote BSmith at the :01 minute mark.

what and why

[Zack]

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

:59 good

:00 bad

[Dp101]

Gonna vote BSmith at the :01 minute mark.

Why not now?

[Cuthillius]

pizza what is your read on novice?

[Askthepizzaguy]

what and why

Brain slug told me to say brain slug.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Alright, I'm down with hitting BSmith.

Unvote: Winston
Vote: BSmith

[Askthepizzaguy]

pizza what is your read on novice?
Lynchable.

[Cuthillius]

what you think of chox

def shouldn't be lynched right now

he's made two posts

i'm not a fan of killing all the inactives immediately

and i don't think he's particularly scummy

[Zack]

Official Tally

5 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith, Cuthillius, Askthepizzaguy)

3 BSmith (novice, Stork, GH)
3 Riedquat (Dp101, Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Cuthillius]

Lynchable.

how would you describe bsmith's normal game

[Cuthillius]

meh i'm just going to sheep pizza

vote:bsmith

[Dp101]

Vote: BSmith

[Askthepizzaguy]

how would you describe bsmith's normal game

After there's only a few minutes left in the round.

Gonna vote with my town bloc.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, this should be interesting.

[Zack]

Official Tally

5 BSmith (novice, Stork, GH, Cuthillius, Dp101)

4 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith, Askthepizzaguy)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

[Winston Hughes]

I appreciate all the kind words.

I'm not asking for any kind of free pass here. I just need people to understand that me being less coherent than usual is not alignment indicative.

[Montmorency]

I volunteer, as I had done earlier, negative feelings over the turn toward BSmith.

[BSmith]

Sigh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: BSmith

Bye.

[Cuthillius]

I appreciate all the kind words.

I'm not asking for any kind of free pass here. I just need people to understand that me being less coherent than usual is not alignment indicative.

yep

[Dp101]

Sigh.

Sorry, I like Novice more than you.

[BSmith]

vote: BSmith!

[Zack]

Voting closed. DO NOT POST.

[BSmith]

All the sheep are doing it!

[Zack]

Official Tally

6 BSmith (novice, Stork, GH, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sips)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (john)

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3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat

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last post before deadline was #1207

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/WRZ1mha.jpg


Zack: "Who's dying today folks?"

BSMITH! BSMITH! BSMITH!

Zack: "Okey dokey. BSmith, how do you plead?"

BSmith: "Not guilty."

Zack: "You have been found guilty on all charges. I'll give you a few minutes to contact your parents and tell them to write me into their will. I'm good with money and can pass as a member of the family - I look sorta Chinese in the right lighting and Instagram filter."

BSmith: "Bleh!"

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"You just have to give guys a chance. Sometimes you meet a guy and think he's a pig, but then later on you realize he actually has a really good body." - BSmith

https://i.imgur.com/ykAINJ3.png

Dr. Amy Wong


Player: BSmith

Role: Amy (https://theinfosphere.org/Amy)

Faction: TOWN

CAN TALK AFTER DEATH.
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It is now Night Two.

Night actions due by: tunnel snakes rule

[Zack]

Alive: 19

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
CrimsonFox
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
Newyn
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
seireikhaan
Stork
Visor
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 1

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)

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Killed: 1

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)

[Zack]

You can now post.

[Montmorency]

Come on. How many of my townies are you gonna dogpile?

[Dp101]

Welp, sorry about that. I look forward to a day where I can lynch based off of guilt rather than innocence.

[Winston Hughes]

BSmith so classy. CFD running his way and his first thought is to PM me with condolences.

[Winston Hughes]

Obviously I've got a lot of reading to do, but right now I've got Cuth, Visor, GH and Crimson in my 'here be scum' category.

[Zack]

This night and the following day will be a little longer than usual to get us back on schedule.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Come on. How many of my townies are you gonna dogpile?

(sigh)

I'll get the powder, sir.

[novice]

Will vote Riedquat if nothing changes.

Like my internet crapping out... Missed everything after my last post.


Well, my wife has just had a miscarriage. That might be affecting my game a little here.

My deepest condolences.


Gonna vote with my town bloc.
Me and Stork? We were the ones on BSmith.

[Winston Hughes]

I think my problem with Cuth is that he comes off like he read Thingyman's article on power-wolfing.

[Dp101]

I think my problem with Cuth is that he comes off like he read Thingyman's article on power-wolfing.

Where can I find articles like this? They sound useful. Note that I won't be using the mentioned one this game however.

[novice]

I ISO'ed you, and I found your game to be very enjoyable to play with

Thank you, by the way. Happy to hear it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Me and Stork? We were the ones on BSmith.

Winston and DP. They split the party and I chose between wagons. Plus I wanted to push the tally to leader +2 over the runner up if possible and if I agreed with it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think my problem with Cuth is that he comes off like he read Thingyman's article on power-wolfing.

Cuth is as capable and as experienced as any of the power players we are more familiar with.

Forged in the fires of mount doom. I may have been an example both times.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or maybe my team bussed itself to near-oblivion the first time, now that I remember it.

[Winston Hughes]

I've seen a lot of Visor's game in the last couple of years, and feel like I've got pretty good at reading his flow.

Could be that I've been totally tilted here, but his process and vibe on D1 seemed very much in his scum zone, and I've seen nothing since that wouldn't fit there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've seen a lot of Visor's game in the last couple of years, and feel like I've got pretty good at reading his flow.

Could be that I've been totally tilted here, but his process and vibe on D1 seemed very much in his scum zone, and I've seen nothing since that wouldn't fit there.
Could you compare it directly with a specific game?

[Askthepizzaguy]

We should use this time as if it were still Day, guys.

[Winston Hughes]

Could you compare it directly with a specific game?

Not one in particular.

Championships games this year and last where he was scum. Plus a couple of games here and at Giraffe where he low posted as scum.

Compare numerous games as vanilla town or disposable PR, and this one lacks the joy.

Compare games as PR, and this one lacks the scummy vibe.

[Riedquat]

I'm sorry for not voting or being around for that matter, completely my bad! Wrong time to take a day of from my lifetime vacations.

While I know at some point was tied with novice in the chopping block I still need to read 4/5 pages and I don't have the time right now.

[Dp101]

We should use this time as if it were still Day, guys.

Yeah. I think we might have been dealing with a couple of villagers at the top of the lynch list, but there must have been at least one mafia. Personally, I dislike those who tried to get third party candidates up on the lynch. Smith was not guaranteed to die, but people started just dropping off the front runners and I switched to save Novice since I think he might be useful once he has more time. I'm not calling out those who wanted to get people to at least talk about other candidates, it was those that pushed them out of nowhere that I dislike. Also, I understand that not everyone is on all the time, but it's really frustrating when people who have barely posted and put their votes on people barely halfway through the day end up almost making the difference in a vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

One of the things you have to anticipate on the org, is that votes are likely to stay where they are at mid-day for about half the players, and that you will have to adjust your style to work with the group of players who post a couple of times per round and vote once.

It's not everyone, but even in the worst case scenario, almost off of those players will be townies and you will need their votes to win the game.

And when you don't get them, you get lynched and then everyone you pointed to as scum or cult turned out to be exactly those things, more or less.

[Askthepizzaguy]

almost off ---> almost all

Still, I'm open to pointing fingers into that group. But by now, there's a dozen players who have posted enough that if you're like me and subscribe to the theory that your best scum hunting weapon is reading the readable people who post a lot, that opportunity is now given that it's basically day 3 and we're thousand posts into the game.

ISOs on those people will start overnight and continue d3. Hope others follow suit.

[novice]

I switched to save Novice since I think he might be useful once he has more time.

I hope I can be, although frankly the guys with experience from here will probably fare better. I don't think lack of time has held me back so far, sadly this is my A game...

[BSmith]

BSmith so classy. CFD running his way and his first thought is to PM me with condolences.

Real life trumps a game every time. :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hope I can be, although frankly the guys with experience from here will probably fare better. I don't think lack of time has held me back so far, sadly this is my A game...

Scumbags from this group will probably be playing against the veterans of this group. See what you see, they don't know how to counter your scum-tells because they don't know what they are.

[Winston Hughes]

pizza's townflow is spotless.

It's a mark of respect that I'm not even close to clearing him for it.

[Winston Hughes]

Don't understand half of what Monty says, but I feel like there's a believable thought-process behind it.

He's in the 'town but could fake it?' pile.

[Cuthillius]

I appreciate the compliment/pocketing, Piz.

I want to go back and look at whoever first started talking about the fact that our d1 eod had to have had scum in it and lynch them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry I insulted you by clearing you on page 1. But let's face it, this is probably your towniest game in years.

[Cuthillius]

Don't understand half of what Monty says, but I feel like there's a believable thought-process behind it.

He's in the 'town but could fake it?' pile.

Agreed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Winston, ofc.

Don't remember ever seeing this level of investment from Monty. I did miss some games on the site in recent years, so if I am someone has to fill in the details.

[Choxorn]

I just had a crazy idea. Why don't you lynch me? You will most likely get more information out of it than if we kept arguing in circles about voting blocks and such, and I am vanilla so I will still be able to post. We do lose one lynch day out of it, but we are frankly probably going to lynch a villager anyway, and at least this way we know we won't lose a poster. I'm pretty sure this idea is insane levels of crackpot, but I feel like doing something kind of odd. Thoughts?

Bad. If you're town, you're just about always the worst possible lynch because you're the only one you know 100% sure is town. You shouldn't ever offer to lynch yourself.


I'm sorry for not voting or being around for that matter, completely my bad! Wrong time to take a day of from my lifetime vacations.

While I know at some point was tied with novice in the chopping block I still need to read 4/5 pages and I don't have the time right now.

I just didn't realize the day was ending so early or I would have come online. My bad.

[Cuthillius]

Bad. If you're town, you're just about always the worst possible lynch because you're the only one you know 100% sure is town. You shouldn't ever offer to lynch yourself.



I just didn't realize the day was ending so early or I would have come online. My bad.

this post is scummy

[Askthepizzaguy]

Winston is scum here if he developed a massive town-hate / rage hardon and drank 10 vials of scum energy juice just after he received his role PM.

Posting this so he can sig it if that's what happened.

[Askthepizzaguy]

this post is scummy

Good reaction.

[novice]

almost off ---> almost all

Still, I'm open to pointing fingers into that group. But by now, there's a dozen players who have posted enough that if you're like me and subscribe to the theory that your best scum hunting weapon is reading the readable people who post a lot, that opportunity is now given that it's basically day 3 and we're thousand posts into the game.

ISOs on those people will start overnight and continue d3. Hope others follow suit.


I appreciate the compliment/pocketing, Piz.

I want to go back and look at whoever first started talking about the fact that our d1 eod had to have had scum in it and lynch them.

I like that idea.