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TruePraetorian
03-07-2008, 21:58
Here is my wiseguy PM...
Role
WiseGuy
Victory Conditions.
You can chart your own course to victory. You can join a mafia family and work for that family’s victory. You can join a mafia family, try to supplant the Don and become Capo de Tutti Capi yourself. You can form your own Criminal family and try to dominate the others. You can even put crime behind you, change roles, and work for the victory of the town over the mafia. What route you choose is up to you.
Powers and Limitations
A. General
1. You are the raw material for expanding a crime family. Remember that if they are unable to recruit you to their cause, you probably become very “expendable” in their eyes.
--cut out--
B. Day Actions
1. You may vote/select as any other townie.
C. Night Actions
1. Combine with 3 townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, one of them will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there). Such kills only count as “half-credit” for your ascension to Made Gangster (unaffiliated).
2. Combine with 2 townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there; if you do you’ll cease being a Wise Guy.
3. If following two successful protections you are selected as Doctor and refuse, you can choose to become a regular townie. Two further successful protections will result in your promotion to Detective – but in your case you will become a Rogue Detective similar to that occurring in Capo-I.
4. One advantage you have over a townie, while participating in such townie groups, is that should you end up as a “solo” on a save or kill attempt, it is unlikely to get you killed – though there is a chance your identity would be revealed.
5. Combine with 2 other Wise Guys you can attempt to kill one target per night (after three successful kills, one of you (random) will become a “Made Gangster (Unaffiliated)” and can progress from there).
6. Combine with 1 other Wise Guy or Made under the aegis of a Family and you can perform one killing per night (after three successful kills, and with the permission of the family Don, you will become a “Made Gangster” and can progress from there).
D. Investigations
It is probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “criminal,” though about one in five Wise Guys will register as “Unclear.” You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a non-family-sanctioned killing or a family-sanctioned killing on the night of that killing.
Role Changing
As noted above, you have many options for a role change and can progress readily in that new role. Remember, once you have chosen a path by moving forward into a new role, however, you cannot reconsider and revert.
I am a wiseguy because i have been in the previous vig groups with TinCow. If anyone wants to see a townie pm, i will contact Seamus and ask him for my original one.
Also, for my nights:
The Stranger protection on Louis
Sasakis protection groups
TinCows vig groups
I think that is it...
So? How are townies gonna prove their identity with no role pm? :inquisitive:
TruePraetorian
03-07-2008, 22:04
I think asking Seamus will provide you with another role PM. Ive already contacted him.
CountArach
03-07-2008, 22:27
He means because the Townie PM had been published by Seamus at the start and the Wise Guy PM was published earlier in the thread. That's why mass revealing was never going to work.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-07-2008, 22:47
The night actions are what are important.
Louis VI the Fat
03-07-2008, 22:53
It's not the PM's. Anybody can copy them. It's the nighttime actions*. If you post your actions for all to see, people can compare them, confirm them or falsify them. This is how we can weed out the scum from the town.
For example, Sasaki posted a comprehensive, quite unscummy list of his actions. Barring anybody stepping forward to claim there are falsities, he is pretty much off the hook. TP claims to have participated in protection groups with Sasaki. So, either both are telling the truth, or both are lying. Maybe others have been with either, and wish to confirm their participation, that they may all unscummify themselves? Also, if Leet were to step forward and confirm Shlin's story, they would both look unscummy as well.
I wouldn't mind even more details, like who was with whom.
Either somebody else steps forward and claims the .577 Webley role, or Kukri's identity is pretty much guaranteed. If you don't want to share, maybe you could also PM Kukri with sensitive information like roles, sensitive nighttime actions, or with details best kept private.
Hey, nobody is obliged to do anything, but here's a good chance to a) exonerate yourself, b) catch the mafia by isolating them from the town. The more we all know, the better the town's chances of finding the hidden dons (which will be no small feat). The amount of players left is now managable, and most people have been involved with others during the night, or have little networks. So it is feasible to have everything out in the open and find the dons. The mafia has combined forces, the town could do so as well.
*Edit: Gah! Second time I'm beaten to something in this game. Scummy. Gah. You are all scum. :shame:
TruePraetorian
03-07-2008, 22:59
Oh i see. Here is as detailed as i can remember...i dont have many PM's left since i keep deleting them( have a pbem going on in the throne room)
Night 1 with TS in a protection group on Loius
Night 2 with TS in a protection group on ???
Night 3-6(?) with Sasaki, pt group on ???
rest of the nights with JimBob. I think the first night they had me in a Pt group, then they put me in vig groups.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-07-2008, 23:13
This is main thread post #3258
”Hope you reach the sphere you dreamt of
Broken dreams seem so dreadful, grotesque
Slowly all your power's fading
Your own life shines so worthless, sinful
Embraced by silent shadows
Loneliness, guides all your path
No one's left to hear you
Alone with your fear of death”
-- Fleshcrawl
Summary, Night Twelve
Elite Ferret was running late. Dinner had been just perfect, but staying for the soufflé was obviously not helping him get where he needed to be. So, while racing down Atlantic Avenue past the Hotel Abbatoir, he wasn’t quite as attentive as he should have been. When the dump truck rolled into place to block the next intersection, Ferret reacted quickly enough to stop and avoid an accident, but not quickly enough to make it to the side alley or pull a bootleg turn and get clear.
The masked driver grinned at Ferret and glanced toward the back of the dumptruck. With a cold shard of fear-adrenalin spiking through him, Ferret followed the man’s gaze, only to see…nothing. Both Ferret and the masked driver looked at the empty space at the back of the truck and then both got their vehicles in motion.
Almost immediately, Ferret had his car in reverse and was riding backward against the legal flow of traffic towards the hotel as fast as he could move. Luckily for Ferret there was no oncoming traffic. Accelerating more slowly the dumptruck turned into the street and followed him – any impact would not favor Ferret’s sedan. Ferret tried to bootleg his car in front of the hotel, but ended up hitting the curb and stopping his car. The truck reached the intersection still accelerating, intent on smashing Ferret’s car and ending the pursuit.
JimBob was staring at Ferret’s car as he drove through the intersection, surprised by a car reversing through – he never looked left. The dumptruck t-boned JimBob’s car at 50 miles an hour and ended up skidding both vehicles into the parked cars. JimBob was dead at the scene with his car crushed to the width of a sofa.
Stunned and unmasked by an earlier collision than he’d been planning on, CountArach was seen by a dozen Fatlings before he could get out of the dumptruck and make his exit from the scene. A shaken Elite Ferret spent much of the rest of the evening at the hotel bar.
Brave Sir Robin was returning to his bungalow quite frustrated with the evening’s events.
<<Hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait,>> he thought.
He smelled the gas when he opened the door, turning quickly to get away. Then the whole bungalow blew to fragments. Robin wasn’t killed by the blast, but between the burns and the splinters he wasn’t in good shape when he landed in the middle of the street. It took his killer no time at all to finish the job with a quick double-tap from a revolver. A piece of neat parchment was left on Brave Sir Robin’s corpse: “il destino e inesorabile.” The killers made their escape by heading the last half block to the beach and walking clear under the boardwalk.
It took the police hours to sort things out. All-in-all 4 other people besides BSR had been killed by large flying splinters and shards of glass from the exploding building and another 13 injured. Among the dead was Jubal_Barca transfixed through the neck by a long sliver of exploded two-by-four while standing on the boardwalk half a block away.
Kukrikhan just wasn't himself. He chatted with a couple of others on the way out of the meeting and then went home, walking as though numb and unthinking. When he reached his rowhome, he sat at the kitchen table and began cleaning a large heavy pistol. He cleaned it, then cleaned it again. He went on oiling and polishing the weapon for hours.
At midnight, his front door burst open and a masked man strode through. Shotgun in hand and at the ready he advanced into the kitchen, while all the while Kukri just stared at the Webley and went on polishing the weapon. Incredulous, the gunman walked up next to the table standing at the kitchen window with his shotgun trained on an unseeing Kukrikhan.
And then gunfire erupted from tommy gunners who had been scattered throughout the apartment. One ducked out of the laundry room behind the kitchen. Two others came from the front room through which the assassin had entered. All of them fired bursts that slammed into the gunman and hammered him through the kitchen window and down into the alley below. Kukri' never moved, save to continue his slow meticulous polishing.
The tommy gunners looked out the shattered window for the gunman, but the fall was less than 10 feet and the coat had, apparently, been well armored. They only glimpsed a figure staggering back into the shadows at the end of the alley. By the time they reached the alley, the lone gunman had disappeared.
Kukrikhan kept polishing the gun until about 2am when he passed out on the table. When he awoke the next morning, he was stunned and surprised to see his window shattered and bullet holes hammmered into the wall. He recalled nothing.
Morning Meeting, Day Thirteen
“…and that concludes my wrap-up,” said Commissioner Fermanagh. He paused, and then his face grew very somber.
“Our investigations teams and the coroner’s folk have produced the following results – and for the most part they’re not too good. Cowhead418 was one of my secret detectives on the committee. His loss leaves me with a big whole to fill in the department.”
Fermanagh paused, then resumed.
“We also lost a protection specialist, a surgeon, when Littlegrizzly went down. He’d been very active in supporting the Fatlington cause. Our only success was the removal of Ichigo. Our sources indicate he was a made gangster in one of the mafia families.”
Another pause.
“We blew it big time with the lynching on Day 10. Crazed Rabbit was a special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Director Hoover has been tearing me a new as…er…expressing his displeasure with Fatlington and with me in particular rather volubly. It seems Director Hoover was personally writing Rabbit a letter of commendation for something or other when he heard the news. We really hurt the town with that one folks. You have to do better – or we’re all in for it."
Fermanagh turned over the meeting to Proletariat, who reviewed the procedures and then adjourned. What would today’s sunshine reveal?
OOC
Lynch Voting begins for Day 13. This is also the phase to select a Director for Days 14 and 15. This phase will conclude at 1200 EST on 9 March 2008 (1700 GMT).
Current List of Players:
Still Alive: (18) Caius, CountArach, Craterus, Elite Ferret, gibsonsg91921, Ironside, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II.
Attacked: (35) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10, N12), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Kukrikhan (N12), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (33) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10), Myrddraal (N11), Warluster (N11), Brave Sir Robin (N12).
Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).
Lynched: (12) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10), Charge (D11), TinCow (D12)
Removed from Play: (15) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9), Caeser the III (N11), Draco Leman (N11), JimBob (N12), Jubal_Barca (N12).
Sasaki Kojiro
03-07-2008, 23:21
Kukri was supposed to have six protectors. TP did everyone receive their pm?
Vote:CountArach
Select:KukriKhan
woad&fangs
03-07-2008, 23:23
An analysis of the remaining players will now be undertaken and will be updated until finished.
CountArach,-wiseguy, but based off of earlier events it seems that he is protown(he was asking about joining a protection group) Bah, after reading the latest night phase it seems that CA must be raised to Very High. Not only participating in a kill but against a confirmed innocent no less. There is no excuse for that. It seems we have our lynch target for today.
norwegian nerd, -Did I miss something that confirmed him as an innocent? What happened to his "buddy" It sounded to me like he was a wiseguy who accidentaly revealed part of his red text.
What about this post As for acusations against me here is a message from my buddy
"I wish I could vouch for norwegian nerd in public, but unfortunately I have a pro town role, and as such I won't be revealing any time soon. I am forbidden from revealing norwegian nerd's role.
It seems therefore that there is no way we can proove his innocence. I hope that you will accept that he slipped up (perhaps due to inexperience). I also hope that you believe that were he mafia, he would have known better. (Yes I know that's a classic defensive argument, but would a mafia really be so daft as to claim knowledge of a 'buddy' in his first post, without ever being accused of anything)
Maybe someone who is better at analyzing writing styles will say I'm wrong but The message from his buddy looks like it was written by him. Also, it isn't written in a form that would be expected from a PM. His buddy would have said "I wish I could vouch for you. Anyways, NorNerd hasn't posted in a while so it might be best to leave him to be WoG'd. Threat level-medium
Proletariat, - Apparently a confirmed innocent
scottishranger,- I'm not sure about his role but I think he's a wiseguy at this point. He's been trying to start his own mafia family but he might have also joined an existing mafia family. Threat level-High
Edit: the search thread function isn't working for me so further analysis from me will have to wait until later.
I will FoS TB, Xehh, Leet, and nn. Those players are lurkers, but who knows if they are mafia hiding in the shadows when we discuss others lynch?
scottishranger
03-07-2008, 23:34
An analysis of the remaining players will now be undertaken and will be updated until finished.
Caius,
CountArach,-wiseguy, but based off of earlier events it seems that he is protown(he was asking about joining a protection group) Threat level: Medium
Craterus,
Elite Ferret,
gibsonsg91921,
Ironside,
Joe Monks,
Kagemusha,
KukriKhan,
Leet Erikson,
norwegian nerd,
Proletariat,
Sasaki Kojiro,
scottishranger,- I'm not sure about his role but I think he's a wiseguy at this point. He's been trying to start his own mafia family but he might have also joined an existing mafia family. Threat level-High
shlin28,
TruePraetorian,
Twilightblade,
Xehh II.
How can you say that my threat level is higher? CountArach was killing a person last night. Noones even approached me these past few nights, ever since the mafia attempt failed.
Vote CountArach
Proletariat
03-07-2008, 23:37
Vote: CountArach
Select: Prole
And there should still be a FoS on everyone who wagoned TinCow. I don't think most of the mafia knew how shady he was, and likely joined the lynch train thinking they could kill a prominent townie.
Tally: CountArach 2 (Sasaki, Prole)
Director: Kukri 1 (Sasaki) Prole 1 (Prole)
Sasaki Kojiro
03-07-2008, 23:38
Does anyone know if the doctor pm has been made public? If it hasn't we may be able to catch a couple mafia.
Who did you want to attack, CA? :inquisitive:
Does anyone know if the doctor pm has been made public? If it hasn't we may be able to catch a couple mafia.
As far as I recall, the doc PM has not been revelated.
woad&fangs
03-07-2008, 23:41
I hadn't read the last night phase yet. He has now been drastically elevated. He needs to be lynched or vig killed today or tonight.
Proletariat
03-07-2008, 23:44
Correct tally
Lynch: CountArach 3 (Sasaki, Prole, scottishranger)
Director: Kukri 1 (Sasaki) Prole 1 (Prole)
TruePraetorian
03-07-2008, 23:46
Kukri was supposed to have six protectors. TP did everyone receive their pm?
Vote:CountArach
Select:KukriKhan
Everyone except Xehh II recieved there orders. That leaves 5 people for the pt. group, but only 3 showed up. And no, i dont think anyone has posted the doctor PM.
CountArach
03-07-2008, 23:47
Vote: CountArach
DIE SCUM!
Select: CountArach
I get a townie vibe from him...
CountArach
03-07-2008, 23:49
Lynch: CountArach 3 (Sasaki, scottishranger, CountArach) - prole can't vote
Director: Kukri 2 (Sasaki, Caius) Prole 1 (Prole) CountArach 1 (CountArach)
Proletariat
03-07-2008, 23:52
Second day in a row I've forgotten that, how silly
:sweatdrop:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-07-2008, 23:55
Everyone except Xehh II recieved there orders. That leaves 5 people for the pt. group, but only 3 showed up. And no, i dont think anyone has posted the doctor PM.
My first instinct was to think it was foul play but that may have been a mistake. Everyone in the group should have know that kukri was protected and that an attempt would fail.
TruePraetorian
03-07-2008, 23:58
Vote: CountArach
Select: Kukri
one question..CA why are you voting for yourself? The little game of vote switching only works if there is someone with a close vote tally...
Also, he was trying to kill EF solo...why?? I dont see a purpose if you knew it would fail..are you just quiting or something?
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 00:08
Mafia status as of N12:
--Stracci. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy (dead), Made: Andres (dead), NorthNovas (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI (dead), associated wise guys or mades: Tran (dead), Gibsonsg. Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (wise guy, N5), Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3), Proletariat (N4), Craterus (N6), Sasaki (N7), Brave Sir Robin (N7).
--Corleone. (possibly Italian destiny mafia) Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead). Have called for a mafia truce through Tiberius and TosaInu.
--Tataglia. Don: Unknown, Luca: Makanyane (dead), Made: FactionHeir (dead), Made or associated wise guy: CountArach. Calling Card: Rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Chimpyang (townie, N5, black rose), Lt. Pinard (townie, N6), Haudegen (wise guy, N9), LittleGrizzly (surgeon, N10), attempted hits on CR (N6, white rose), Elite Ferret (N12), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4). Have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication. If this is the case, the Corleones may well be the Italian destiny mafia.
--Barzini. (Rose group according to Louis), associated wise guy/made: Ichigo (dead, Barzini according to Louis)
--Cunnio.
Religious Weather Balloon group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (wise guy, N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?). This family made an explosive entrance on night 3, but seems to have been a one-night wonder. Based on Hiji's postmortem, he may be involved with this group or entirely responsible for these kills.
Italian Destiny group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (townie, N5), ajaxfetish (townie, N6), Husar (townie, N7), Sarathos (mafia wise guy, N8), Cowhead418 (detective, N10), Myrddraal (N11), Brave Sir Robin (N12). This group has no known failures as of yet, so a very high batting average for them.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob asserted he was the don of the Corleones. Sigurd claimed to be the King of Hearts hitman. Sigurd's post-mortem has shown he was indeed a mafia don, but has not established his family.
TinCow has accused Sasaki of being a mafia don managing the actions of the rose group and/or Italian destiny group. Sasaki has counter-accused TinCow of once again trying to enter/setup a mafia family and betray the town.
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Musings:
Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--Rogue Detective: KukriKhan. A pro-town rogue killer. Using a powerful .577 Webley he shot Kommodus (luca, N4), Woad&Fangs (wise guy, N5), and Makanyane (luca, N8). He has offered to lead the town's continuing defense against the mafia.
--King of Hearts Hitman: Unknown. Another lone killer is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (wise guy, N5) and Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), and attempted a kill on TinCow (N7). Sigurd falsely claimed to have this role.
--Ashanderei: Twilightblade. Yet another solo attacker, but without any successful kills as yet. Attempted hits on Proletariat (N9), Elite Ferret (N10), and Myrddraal (N11). This attacker was revealed as Twilightblade during his unsuccessful attack on Myrddraal. TB's defense, in PM to Sasaki, was that he is a bored player doing solo vig hits knowing that they'll fail. Based on his three solo failures and lack of successful kills, this explanation is at least plausible. According to the rules, solo townies run the risk of dying in a vig attempt, solo wise guys or mafia a risk of being identified.
--Society for Creative Anachronism. This townie vigilante organization was coordinated by JimBob starting on N5 and led by TinCow, especially after JimBob's inactivity began. With TinCow's death, townie leadership has shifted from the SCA to Kukrikhan. Successful hits on FactionHeir (made, N6), Northnovas (made, N7), Tran (mafia wise guy, N8), Ichigo (made, N10), Warluster (N11). Failed hits on Tran (N5)-not enough pms, Twilightblade (N5)-not enough pms, Tran (N7)-apparently luck, Ichigo (N9)-not enough pms, Charge (N9)-apparently luck.
CR is confirmed as the FBI detective and Cowhead as a regular detective. Their results can be trusted, especially CR's as he posted them himself. This is also further incrimination for those who voted CR, especially Kagemusha, Leet Eriksson, and CountArach (CountArach and Kagemusha also voted for Xdeathfire over Dutch Guy and for Tincow, Leet Eriksson also for TinCow).
JimBob was WoGged. His inactivity outlasted Seamus patience. Jubal Barca WoGged along with him.
In addition to TinCow's suspicions of sabotage and his voting record, CountArach was unmasked today as a result of a solo mafia kill attempt on Elite Ferret. He needs to die.
Looks like KukriKhan got 'blocked' last night. He was fortunately protected, and unless he gets selected as director will require further protection, but I don't think we can expect any investigation results from him for last night. Any previous results he has compiled would be most welcome if he is willing to share.
Brave Sir Robin is one more successful hit by the Italian destiny family.
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Detective results:
Cowhead418 (via TinCow, N5 & N6 also via a further anonymous intermediary), regular detective
N1: pevergreen = criminal (lynched D2, wise guy, accurate)
N1: The Stranger = innocent (murdered N3, townie, accurate)
N2: Glenn = innocent (murdered N3, crusader?, probably accurate)
N2: Crazed Rabbit = innocent (lynched D10, FBI agent, accurate)
N3: charge = criminal (lynched D11, results pending)
N3: ajaxfetish = innocent (murdered N6, townie, accurate)
N4: Proletariat = innocent (still alive)
N4: Twilightblade = criminal (still alive)
N5: Rhythmic = innocent (murdered N5, townie, accurate)
N5: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N6: norwegian nerd = innocent (still alive)
N6: FactionHeir = criminal (murdered N6, made, accurate)
CR, FBI detective
N1: Andres = guilty (lynched D5, made, murdered Drisos N1, accurate)
N1: Proletariat = innocent (still alive)
N2: GeneralHankerchief = criminal, wise guy (murdered N4, wise guy, accurate)
N2: Moros = criminal (murdered N4, wise guy or shadow, accurate)
N3: Twilightblade = criminal (still alive)
N3: Makanyane = guilty (murdered N8, luca, must have murdered on N3)
N4: FactionHeir = guilty (murdered N6, made, must have murdered on N4)
N4: Hiji = guilty (lynched D9, townie but with anomalies, must have killed someone by N4)
N5: Joe Monks = criminal (still alive)
N5: Makanyane = guilty N5, Tataglia Luca from outset of game. (murdered N8, luca, must have murdered on N5)
N6: LittleGrizzly = innocent (murdered N10, surgeon, accurate)
N6: norwegian nerd = innocent (still alive)
N7: Roadkill = innocent (WoGged N9, townie, accurate)
N7: Warluster = criminal (murdered N11, results pending)
N8: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N8: Ironside = innocent (still alive)
KukriKhan, claimed as Rogue Detective
N1: pevergreen = criminal (lynched D2, wise guy, accurate)
N1: woad&fangs = criminal (murdered N5 by Kukri, wise guy, accurate)
N2: Kommodus = criminal (murdered N4 by Kukri, luca, accurate)
N2: Ichigo = unclear (murdered N10, made, accurate)
N3: AlexanderthePrettyGood = no result obtained; PM mix-up
N3: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N3: Crazed Rabbit = innocent (bonus, unrequested result; PM mix-up) (lynched D10, FBI agent, accurate)
N6: Makayane = guilty (murdered N8 by Kukri, luca, must have murdered on N6)
N6: Craterus = innocent (still alive)
N7: Ironside = innocent (still alive)
N7: DracoLeman = innocent (WoGged N11, results pending)
N9: TinCow = criminal (lynched D12, results pending)
N9: CountArach = guilty (still alive, must have murdered on N9)
N10: Warluster = criminal (murdered N11, results pending)
N10: scottishranger = criminal (still alive)
N11: TruePraetorian = criminal (still alive)
N11: XehhII = guilty (still alive, must have murdered on N11)
N12: Caius = failure
N12: gibsonsg91921= failure
Victims N3, N4, and N5
--Makanyane guilty N3: taka (I think that was TinCow's old wise guy group (with GH, gibsong, and ?NorthNovas? Didn't he claim that?), Beefy (balloon mafia), Zorg (rose mafia), Pannonian (Straccis), the Stranger (balloon mafia), Glenn (balloon mafia).
--FactionHeir guilty N4: Kommodus (Rogue Detective), Moros (rose mafia), Xiahou (no calling card).
--Makanyane guilty N5: Kamikhaan (Italian destiny mafia), Chimpyang (rose mafia), Motep (Straccis), Rhythmic (no calling card), Woad & Fangs (King of Hearts hitman).
--Makanyane guilty N6: Lt. Pinard (rose mafia), FactionHeir (SCA), Louis (Straccis/King of Hearts), ajaxfetish (Italian destiny mafia)
--CountArach guilty N9: Haudegen (rose mafia)
--XehhII guilty N11: Warluster (SCA), Myrddraal (Italian destiny mafia)
Makanyane must have been part of the rose mafia. Based on CR's claim that she was the Tataglia luca, the Tataglias are the rose mafia.
FactionHeir must (1) have been part of the rose mafia, or (2) have been part of the ?vigilante group? that killed Xiahou. As a made, the rose mafia is more likely.
Count Arach must be in the rose mafia.
XehhII must (1) be in the SCA, or (2) be in the Italian destiny mafia.
Summary of the living based on detective results.
Innocent (pro-town or don): Proletariat (Cowhead & CR), norwegian nerd (Cowhead & CR), Ironside (CR & Kukri), Craterus (Kukri)
Criminal (wise guy or mafia): Twilightblade (Cowhead & CR), Joe Monks (CR), scottishranger (Kukri), True Praetorian (Kukri)
Guilty (townie, wise guy, or mafia killer): CountArach (Kukri), XehhII (Kukri)
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Post-mortem results:
25 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou, Rhythmic, molonthegreat, Chimpyang, Kamikhaan, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard, Husar, JohnHughThom, Roadkill, Alexander the Pretty Good, Hiji (though his post-mortem is very suspicious)
Detective: Drisos, Cowhead418
FBI Debective: Crazed Rabbit
Surgeon: LittleGrizzly
Crusader?: Glenn, Rob the Celt
15 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member), Motep, WarmasterHorus, Woad&Fangs, Xdeathfire, LouisVI (though Seamus write-up was not specific on his starting role), EMFM (I'm not sure where exactly to put him, so he goes neutral for now), Haudegen, BKS
12 mafia
Affiliated Wise Guy: Tran (Stracci), Sarathos (family unknown)
Made: Tiberius (Corleone), Andres (Stracci), FactionHeir (family unknown), NorthNovas (Stracci), Ichigo (family unknown, possibly Barzini)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown), Dutch Guy (Stracci), Makanyane (Tataglia)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi), Sigurd (family unknown)
Ajax
CountArach
03-08-2008, 00:11
Vote: CountArach
Select: Kukri
one question..CA why are you voting for yourself? The little game of vote switching only works if there is someone with a close vote tally...
Also, he was trying to kill EF solo...why?? I dont see a purpose if you knew it would fail..are you just quiting or something?
If there is scum in this game, we vote for them. That is what a good Townie does... :tongue:
I was attacking EF because those were my orders. Its all a clever ruse to make you all think I am scum.
Wow, a lot of things in that writeup, ajax! Thank you.
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2008, 00:46
He means because the Townie PM had been published by Seamus at the start and the Wise Guy PM was published earlier in the thread. That's why mass revealing was never going to work.Hah! Only the mafia thinks mass revealing isn't going to work. Seamus' write-up confirms Kukri's Webley status. I repeat Kukri's plea for mass reveal.
~~~
The other WiseGuy who died was woad&fangs, and there is some evidence that he was involved in the killings – probably trying to work his way into a crime family.”Was W&F trying to protect his buddy/ies? His list was posted a few minutes after the write-up. The info on CA was maybe meant to deceive the town. That's why he initially made CountArach only a medium mafia target, when CA has been known as guilty for days now. W&F probably didn't count(arach) on CA being revealed by the write-up. ~;p
W&F's list must be considered irrelevant I'm afraid and can not serve as a basis to work from. (Though it is quite useful for what and who are NOT on it. ~;) )
~~~
I'll follow our trusted clerk Ajax in FoS: Kagemusha. Speak, Kage, lest you be hung for a don tomorrow. :whip:
(Also, I now think that the 'playing card hitman' doesn't exist. Probably the mafia teaming up for kills and leaving a message to their betrayers.)
~~~
I would like to say 'told you so' to all the people who hung CR, but I myself could neither figure it out nor prevent his lynch, for which I hang my head in shame. :shame:
~~~
* I do hope JimBob is alright. :embarassed: *
woad&fangs
03-08-2008, 00:51
:laugh4: I haven't been paying attention for days now. I was going off of what I knew and was going to update after reading the last couple of days.
Kukri's hit on me was indeed a valid one. Would I show up as guilty if I had participated in a failed attack the night he investigated me? If so than I understand why he killed me.
Just in case no one noticed, Seamus edited out my post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1853108&postcount=3236) with the PM I received after I was dead. That should definitively prove that GH's incriminating 'PM' from me was nothing more than a very well written fake. You will all find in the end-game write-up, that I was exactly what I claimed: a townie, promoted to a wiseguy, who was dedicated to killing the mafia every single night until they were all gone.
I am very pleased to see that Kukri survived last night. If you keep him alive, I think a townie victory is certain. Keep up the good work.
CountArach
03-08-2008, 01:05
I am now ready to reveal my role!
Role
Surgeon
Victory Condition
You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. You may also help the Town by protecting two people at night
Powers & Responsibilities
A. General:
1. You are a surgeon, which is essentially a Doctor who can protect two people. Further, anyone you protect shall run the risk of being killed.
2. RED
B. Day Actions:
1. You can select/vote as can all players.
C. Night Actions:
1. You may protect two people each night, in the same manner as a Doctor. This will protect them from ALL kill attempts on them that night, not just one.
2. In addition any person who attacks someone you protected has a 1 in 6 chance of being killed. This is further increased to 1 in 3 if they attempted a solo kill.
3. You may not form into Townie vigilante or protection groups.
4. RED
D. Investigations:
1. You will come up Innocent if investigated.
Role Changing
Role changing is not possible with your role. It is not possible for you to join onto a mafia family.
And with that
Unvote: CountArach
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 01:14
I am now ready to reveal my role!
And with that
Unvote: CountArach
:laugh4:
Ajax
Craterus
03-08-2008, 01:18
Hmmm, that's a shame. I think mass revealing can only serve to ruin the excitement of the endgame. So, regardless of the FoS and votes I'm probably going to receive, I'm not posting my PM.
I'll vote:CountArach for that shabby attempt at a surgeon role PM.
select: Craterus Kukri is obviously the best choice but I don't agree with the mass reveals so... ~:rolleyes:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 01:20
I mean, color me convinced :laugh4:
Good to see you have a sense of humor about it CA.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 01:20
Hmmm, that's a shame. I think mass revealing can only serve to ruin the excitement of the endgame. So, regardless of the FoS and votes I'm probably going to receive, I'm not posting my PM.
I'll vote:CountArach for that shabby attempt at a surgeon role PM.
select: Craterus Kukri is obviously the best choice but I don't agree with the mass reveals so... ~:rolleyes:
oh really...
Craterus
03-08-2008, 01:22
Ah, Sasaki, right on time...
Go on then.
Crazed Rabbit
03-08-2008, 01:38
“We blew it big time with the lynching on Day 10. Crazed Rabbit was a special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Director Hoover has been tearing me a new as…er…expressing his displeasure with Fatlington and with me in particular rather volubly. It seems Director Hoover was personally writing Rabbit a letter of commendation for something or other when he heard the news. We really hurt the town with that one folks. You have to do better – or we’re all in for it."
For the love of all that is good, will people stop listening to Sasaki?
He got me lynched instead of Ichigo, and then Tincow lynched instead of CountArach.
CA, by the way, is clearly lying. Mades do not get killed like townies by working alone - they get 'unmasked' as it were.
Craterus is clearly scum as well. And he's most likely a much more important lynch than CA. Probably a don.
But, oh wait, let's let the idiot town run around like a bunch of headless chickens being led by Sasaki.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 01:40
I'd apologize for getting you lynched, but you have to admit you acted extremely scummy.
Craterus
03-08-2008, 01:54
CR, you don't hesitate in using your intensifiers, do you?
How can you say I 'clearly' have a particular role based on one protection and not posting my PM - something I realise I will have to do eventually, probably sooner rather than later now.
So, if people are going to get up in arms about it then I'll post but, for now, I don't really agree with this townie tactic so I'm staging my own little boycott.
Crazed Rabbit
03-08-2008, 01:55
By contacting you? What idiot mafioso would reveal even a hint of such things to you? Oh, wait, I forgot. Anyone who doesn't reveal everything to you is deemed guilty. Way to get Tincow lynched over CA, by the way.
It seems Director Hoover was personally writing Rabbit a letter of commendation for something or other when he heard the news.
My work here is done.
CR
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 02:05
I agree with Sasaki. Knowing now that you are a detective truly makes me regret voting for you...but no one just "sneaks in" to a don meeting...there is no way to guess randomly and get in. That is why so many voted for you..
As for TinCow, I dont know why Sasaki voted for him. But, that is my opinion, Sasaki most likely had a different view about him in the same way that TinCow and i had a different view about CR.
Craterus i personally think is innocent. But again, that is my personal opinion. It is kind of odd to why he doesnt post his PM, but perhaps he has some special role? I would advise PMing your role to someone if you dont trust the rest of us, just so we can clear your name.
CA on the otherhand is clear scum...the Surgeon post has many misspelled words and sentences that are clearly fabricated. He is a good lynch target, and has been proven guilty.
As for Kukri, he needs to be protected at all costs, he is the only way we can achieve victory. As a rogue detective, he has to power to investigate anyone and kill confirm mafia...i honestly believe he is the last detective we have, but that is only because i havent heard from anyone.
CountArach
03-08-2008, 02:15
CA on the otherhand is clear scum...the Surgeon post has many misspelled words and sentences that are clearly fabricated. He is a good lynch target, and has been proven guilty.
No it doesn't. M$ word said that it came up with no spelling errors when I typed it up copy and pasted it into there.
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 02:17
No it doesn't. M$ word said that it came up with no spelling errors when I typed it up copy and pasted it into there.
:laugh4:
Well, at least you are being a good sport about it..i thought the mafia never went quietly? What the hell?
Kagemusha
03-08-2008, 06:38
Vote: CA
If people want to know what i have been up to, its not that much. I dont seem to gather much trust among the mafia players, because of my history in these games. Same happened in Capo I also, where i was the lone surving unaffliated wiseguy in the end.During the early game i was contacted by CR, but that didnt lead much at all. When Sasaki was protecting me and i was attacked, i wasnt aware of it at all. I was also contacted by Sasaki about joining a vig kill at one point, but that dried up after i realized that one of the proposed group, Ajaxfetish was already dead and Sasaki didnt contact me after that proposed group. My role is a townie.
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 07:03
Kagemusha,
Could you share your reasons for considering Crazed Rabbit and TinCow good lynches, and for considering Xdeathfire a better lynch than Dutch Guy?
Ajax
Kagemusha
03-08-2008, 07:21
Kagemusha,
Could you share your reasons for considering Crazed Rabbit and TinCow good lynches, and for considering Xdeathfire a better lynch than Dutch Guy?
Ajax
I have done so in the thread already. It is not my fault if people dont listen to me. I dont even remember why i voted Xdeathfire over Dutch_Guy, maybe it was in order to create a double lynch, but im not really up for this early in morning to go through all these pages to find that post.All CR had to do was to come clean about the Don meeting, which he did not. Tincow first attacks Sasaki with all vigor and then jumps the bandwagon against a player who cant defend himself while sleeping. It is not my problem that these so called "leaders" of town decide to uphold information from the public and play like scum, because they are satisfied to share their knowledge only to their inner circle. Anyone who knows me, know that i dont trust authorities in these games. The construction of the game is pretty simple. The roles on both ends of the spectrum defeat each other. Don could be a townie, made a wiseguy. Doctor a Luca. If my fault is that i dont like to be lead in a game where anyone could be something other then they are, then that is indeed my fault. But people following other people blindly usually just results into that they are played by other people and i refuse to be played by anyone.
CountArach
03-08-2008, 09:11
Oh, how could I forget?
Vote: KukriKhan
Take it from someone who has faked PMs before (But not that Surgeon one above... that is 100% real. Ask any surgeon you know.)... He's faking his reveal...
So? How are townies gonna prove their identity with no role pm? :inquisitive:
So you're a townie then?
So you're a townie then?
Yes.
Edit: Forgot to vote :S
Vote CA
Select Kukrikhan
vote:CountArach why do you want to kill me?
select:KurkiKhan
vote:CountArach why do you want to kill me?
select:KurkiKhan
How did you know Ca was behind you?
How did you know Ca was behind you?
Did you read the story? :deal2:
... Stunned and unmasked by an earlier collision than he’d been planning on, CountArach was seen by a dozen Fatlings before he could get out of the dumptruck and make his exit from the scene. A shaken Elite Ferret spent much of the rest of the evening at the hotel bar.
KukriKhan
03-08-2008, 15:11
My nightly activities & results (sorry for the delay ajax):
------------------------------------------------
n1 pevergreen = criminal
n1 woad&fangs = criminal
n2 Kommodus = criminal
n2 Ichigo = unclear
n3 AlexanderthePrettyGood = no result obtained; PM mix-up
n3 Myrddraal = Innocent
Crazed Rabbit = Innocent (bonus, unrequested result; PM mix-up)
n4 kill Kommodus = success
n5 kill woad&fangs = success
n6 Makayane = guilty
n6 Craterus = innocent
n7 Ironside = innocent
n7 DracoLeman = innocent
n8 kill Makayane = success
n9 TinCow = criminal
n9 CountArach = guilty
n10 Warluster = criminal
n10 scottishranger = criminal
n11 TruePraetorian = criminal
n11 XehhII = guilty
n12 Caius = Inv req ignored due to attack
n12 gibsonsg91921= Inv req ignored due to attack
------------------------------
That catches me up.
I'll vote and select in a separate post.
Makanyane
03-08-2008, 15:27
*wonders politely if Seamus really can't spell my name*
*mutters something under breath about damn murdering :daisy:*
*goes away to sulk*
KukriKhan
03-08-2008, 15:36
I have a recommendation to the town:
Since I can kill suspects for which I've received a "criminal" or "guilty" result, let's use our daytime lynch opportunities to take out suspects I don't have a result on.
I have CountArach as guilty, so will kill him tonight (n13).
So, based on other detective results, as chronicled by ajax's post #3276 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1853689&postcount=3276):
vote: Twilightblade
select: KukriKhan
I realize that T'blade has been tagged less of a threat, but he is a known (attempted) killer of townies, and could be recruited by a family, formally or informally. If we take out potential mafia soldiers like him, the dons will be forced to kill on their own, thus revealing themselves, to the wrath of the town or Mister .577 Webley.
KukriKhan
03-08-2008, 15:40
Truly sorry MakaNyane. That was my fault, not Seamus'. I'll keep working on correctly spelling your name, until I get it right.
*slumps off to blackboard to write Makanyane, Makanyane, Makanyane 500 times*
Yes, lynch Twilightblade. A townie who tried to attack someone all alone because he felt a bit bored :yes:
n12 Caius = Inv req ignored due to attack
n12 gibsonsg91921= Inv req ignored due to attack
I don't understand this.
I don't understand this.
he means he couldn't investigate anyone because he was attacked
I have a recommendation to the town:
Since I can kill suspects for which I've received a "criminal" or "guilty" result, let's use our daytime lynch opportunities to take out suspects I don't have a result on.
I have CountArach as guilty, so will kill him tonight (n13).
So, based on other detective results, as chronicled by ajax's post #3276 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1853689&postcount=3276):
vote: Twilightblade
select: KukriKhan
I realize that T'blade has been tagged less of a threat, but he is a known (attempted) killer of townies, and could be recruited by a family, formally or informally. If we take out potential mafia soldiers like him, the dons will be forced to kill on their own, thus revealing themselves, to the wrath of the town or Mister .577 Webley.
I don't see the logic of attacking those who you don't have results on, they are potentially pro-town, but if you are confident you can kill CA tonight and I do agree that Twilightblade is a threat to the town then I will:
unvote:CountArach
vote:Twilightblade
ITs useless to investigate me because I has been in vigilante groups.
KukriKhan
03-08-2008, 15:57
Yes, lynch Twilightblade. A townie who tried to attack someone all alone because he felt a bit bored :yes:
Said the Chief Mafia Recruiter, with heavy sarcasm, hoping to confuse the town.:laugh4:
yes but you may be guilty rather than criminal...
Myrddraal
03-08-2008, 15:58
ITs useless to investigate me because I has been in vigilante groups.
Sounds scummy to me.
Which vigilante groups? With who?
Reveal all your night actions.
Give me a second, I will bring all my night actions.
Now: I will post them
In the first 4 nights, I did not find a group, since I was away from the org by holidays. Thats why i was inactive.
Now, these are the following actions since n5 to n11.
In n5=we tried to kill Tran. We failed, since I think 2 of them did not send the orders. We would be dressed as cooks and we were supposed to write a message, if we could succed
In n6= We were the Crusaders, and the plans were to attack FactionHeir
In n7= We killed NorthNovas
n8= We did not kill
n9=Killed Charge
n10=Killed Ichigo
n11=Killed Warluster
n12= No one contacted me to do anything
Thats all my orders.
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2008, 16:04
n11 XehhII = guiltyWas XehhII with the vig group on Warluster or did Kukri just find another mafioso?
If he was not with the viggers, then we can lynch one of CA and Xehh now, and let WebleyKhan have a stern talk with the other tonight.:beam:
Xehh might be a higher priority than TwilightBlade then. Has anybody got more info on T'Blade? Is he a bored townie, or a remnant of a family who went for solo kills, for the heck of it, after his partners died?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 16:07
Xehh II was in the warluster vig group.
I'm not convinced it's best to lynch tblade. It doesn't seem that he joined any mafia family last night while countA made an attempt at killing.
Joe Monks
03-08-2008, 16:27
I was gonna vote CA but I guess ill vote with Kukrikhan
Vote:Twilightblade
Haudegen
03-08-2008, 16:29
n9 TinCow = criminal
n9 CountArach = guilty
This clearly shows that CA was the traitor in the n9 vig group. CA performed a successful kill that night, obviously he killed me. If we had had this result earlier, perhaps the lynching of TC could have been avoided.
Hey, mafiosos. Keep in mind something.
Hey, mafiosos. Keep in mind something.
:huh:
norwegian nerd
03-08-2008, 16:50
Select:Kukrikahn
Lets see if I can be more active untill the end
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 17:55
Kukri its kinda interesting that you labeled me as criminal. I think those results are a bluff. The write-up shows that you just sat there and missed the night phase, obviously the effects of some ability...TinCow was also effected and could not participate on night 9.
It shows criminal which is kind of odd. I thought WG's showed up criminal only on the nights they kill?? I am not a townie, ive already stated that, so the only possible way that i showed up criminal is if i killed someone. And, i was protecting you.
Unvote, Vote: Kukri
Admit you are lying and i will withdraw my vote, but there is no way you got any results on me of criminal..its just not possible.
:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge:
A whole family has been unmasked!
Hello guys, I'm sorry for the family.
Lets do a quintuple lynch between the following guys
gibson (il destino mafia killer)
scottish (Il destino mafia killer)
Elite Ferret ( Don)
Kage (Don)
cmon guys, thats why I voted for TC, because I had to be trusted by them! I had to kill BSR to make them believe everything, and now, we have the mafia unmasked!
Now, lets forget CA and vote those guys! Believe in me, Caius.
Vote:Elite Ferret
Select:Prole
Lets select prole so Kukri and the rest of the townies can kig kill them all.
Kukri its kinda interesting that you labeled me as criminal. I think those results are a bluff. The write-up shows that you just sat there and missed the night phase, obviously the effects of some ability...TinCow was also effected and could not participate on night 9.
It shows criminal which is kind of odd. I thought WG's showed up criminal only on the nights they kill?? I am not a townie, ive already stated that, so the only possible way that i showed up criminal is if i killed someone. And, i was protecting you.
Unvote, Vote: Kukri
Admit you are lying and i will withdraw my vote, but there is no way you got any results on me of criminal..its just not possible.
You will show up criminal whether you killed or not.
If investigated by a detective, the Wiseguy will appear “criminal” if they have not been involved in a killing and “guilty” if they have…even if that killing was a while back. If investigated by a made, they will appear either as “criminal” or “unclear.”
A whole family has been unmasked!
Hello guys, I'm sorry for the family.
Lets do a quintuple lynch between the following guys
gibson (il destino mafia killer)
scottish (Il destino mafia killer)
Elite Ferret ( Don)
Kage (Don)
cmon guys, thats why I voted for TC, because I had to be trusted by them! I had to kill BSR to make them believe everything, and now, we have the mafia unmasked!
Now, lets forget CA and vote those guys! Believe in me, Caius.
Vote:Elite Ferret
Select:Prole
Lets select prole so Kukri and the rest of the townies can kig kill them all.
why are you suddenly making up a family? Where is your proof? If I was a don then why did I protect Kurki last night?
Proletariat
03-08-2008, 18:19
I'm inclined to believe Caius. Watch for a big bandwagon attempt against Kukri by the remaining scum.
Proletariat
03-08-2008, 18:20
why are you suddenly making up a family? Where is your proof? If I was a don then why did I protect Kurki last night?
Many people claim to have been protecting Kukri.
why are you suddenly making up a family? Where is your proof? If I was a don then why did I protect Kurki last night?
My proof resides in Makanyane and Charge, your dead buddies who kindly gave me all the info about their planes, and how they will bandwagon Kukri to kill our hope.
How can there be two dons?
Those are 2 Dons of diferent families who gave me the info that they are allied against us.
well there were supposed to be 6 of us but only 3 turned up, I sent in my orders and know who the rest of the grouop was supposed to be, but not who didn't send them in. Anyway how would Caius know about the mafia?
oops, last post in reply to Proletariat
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 18:28
Incredible. Thank you Caius.
I will not be seen as a bandwagoner. Unvote:Kukri
And for all of those who read my post, i thought criminal meant you were guilty and guilty meant you were a wiseguy...my appologies. :sweatdrop:
Oh well....
TruePraetorian and Craterus are Cunnios.
believe or not, that's not a quoted pm
Why dont you say it before you were lynched? If you are not lying...
Unvote CA, Vote Elite Ferret
We still got 24 hours to discuss this anyway, might as well put some pressure on the mafia.
Incredible. Thank you Caius.
I will not be seen as a bandwagoner. Unvote:Kukri
Inappropriate phrase excised -- not appropriate pal, this is a game. --SF
Now I will go play M2.
:bow:
Why dont you say it before you were lynched? If you are not lying...
Unvote CA, Vote Elite Ferret
We still got 24 hours to discuss this anyway, might as well put some pressure on the mafia.
how is voting for a townie putting pressure on the mafia?
how is voting for a townie putting pressure on the mafia?
Post your night actions, and we will see if you are saying the truth or not.
Sack:Prole
Select:Caius
Let me be a director, I got a death threat!
You death will be swift.
I can't mention who sent it, I guess, so his name will remain anonymous.
scottishranger
03-08-2008, 18:49
Caius, just because I do not reply your Offer for me to be your hired killer, you accuse me of being mafia.
Why the heck should anyone trust you Caius, you approached me about joining YOUR family, and when I dont reply, you make up a family and include me in them. I think this is just an excuse for Caius to get the town to do his dirty work for him.
Why dont Caius and those people accused all post their night actions? That way we can decide who tells the truth.
To Scottishranger
How could you be a hired killer?
Might as well post the n12 which incriminates you.
scottishranger
03-08-2008, 18:54
I am a wise-guy, except I am not affiliated with any mafias. Makes me feel wanted when people try and recruit me.
BSR is a wiseguy in townie groups, he's a good unprotected target. please send orders in time.
N12: Gibsonsg91921, scottishranger and Caius will kill Brave_Sir_Robin.
Sig: scrap of parchment with Gothic script "il destino e inesorabile."
deadline 2100GMT
this is last I hope..
This is my confirmation message to tell you all that I sent the message in time.
I have also sent mine in.
Bolded to tell the truth.
Edited for a problem with the quote tag.
gibsonsg91921
03-08-2008, 19:00
Forgery. I am unaffiliated - FactionHeir, Ichigo, and others have approached me to join their pathetic mafias and I have refused. I simply don't have consistent time to play this game. A shame, really.
scottishranger
03-08-2008, 19:01
A blatant forgery in my eyes.
May you explain then why BSR was killed.
Oh, and I cant forge Pm's in 15 seconds..
scottishranger
03-08-2008, 19:23
How should I know? Obviously, it was the Gothic script mafia, which you have incriminated yourself in.
A blatant forgery in my eyes.
Forgery? C'mon, you know that wizard I'm not. I know that I like Gandalf, but I do not have his powers...
How should I know? Obviously, it was the Gothic script mafia, which you have incriminated yourself in.
Do you know to read, right?
scottishranger
03-08-2008, 19:30
I had to kill BSR to make them believe everything, and now, we have the mafia unmasked!
You said that you killed BSR...
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 19:41
Caius, for them to tell you anything you obviously have to become a made.
So, just how many kills do you have oh townie caius :inquisitive: ?
And Charge...I think that can be considered spam. I read somewhere in the rules that you cant use *** to blank out words. Please stop trying to ruin the game.
EDIT: wrong name
Kagemusha
03-08-2008, 19:55
Im not sure if ive ever soon more pompous framing attempt.Caius do you think your mafia family can win this game and get town destroyed by you throwing in bunch of false targets for lynching. Vote: Caius
Post your night actions, and we will see if you are saying the truth or not.
N4-protected CR, albeit with GH, Kommodus and Tran but I did not know they were mafia and they are all dead now.
N12-protected KurkiKhan with 5 others, though only 2 others showed up judging by the story. TP can vouch for this.
On all the other nights I have done nothing but hope I survive. My input to this game has been voting in favour of the town, as you can see if you look at who I have voted for.
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 20:51
Here's an updated summary to include Kukri's investigation results. Based on one more guilty result on Makanyane, I'm concluding that the Tataglias are probably the rose mafia (and I suspect the Corleones are the Italian destiny mafia), and that CountArach is also a Tataglia, and that FactionHeir was a Tataglia.
XehhII also murdered on N11 (or by it if only a townie/wise guy). I think someone vouched for XehhII as being in the Warluster SCA hit?
True Praetorian comes out criminal N11, so if a wise guy as he claims he has never participated in a murder. scottishranger also comes out criminal on N10. Don't we have confirmed kills by him before that? If so, he must be mafia, and no longer a wise guy, or he should have come out guilty.
Craterus gets an innocent result. With his mysterious protection N6 its feasible that he is a don. The alternative is a townie who convinced a doctor to protect him, which seems unlikely as he was well out of the spotlight up to that point. Also, looking back at N6, I notice that's the night Kagemusha was attacked/protected by groups organized by Sasaki. The incomplete townie attack group of course failed, but he was also protected by a single mysterious waiter. I think Sasaki mentioned being the only one in the protection group to submit orders, but a lone protector would likely get written in as failing (the attack group also failing) rather than having success. Did Kagemusha have a luca watching his back N6?
Mafia status as of N12:
--Stracci. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy (dead), Made: Andres (dead), NorthNovas (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI (dead), associated wise guys or mades: Tran (dead), Gibsonsg. Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (wise guy, N5), Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3), Proletariat (N4), Craterus (N6), Sasaki (N7), Brave Sir Robin (N7).
--Corleone. (possibly Italian destiny mafia) Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead). Have called for a mafia truce through Tiberius and TosaInu.
--Tataglia. Don: Unknown, Luca: Makanyane (dead), Made: FactionHeir (dead), Made or associated wise guy: CountArach. Calling Card: Rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Chimpyang (townie, N5, black rose), Lt. Pinard (townie, N6), Haudegen (wise guy, N9), LittleGrizzly (surgeon, N10), attempted hits on CR (N6, white rose), Elite Ferret (N12), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4). Have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication. If this is the case, the Corleones may well be the Italian destiny mafia.
--Barzini. (Rose group according to Louis), associated wise guy/made: Ichigo (dead, Barzini according to Louis)
--Cunnio.
Religious Weather Balloon group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (wise guy, N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?). This family made an explosive entrance on night 3, but seems to have been a one-night wonder. Based on Hiji's postmortem, he may be involved with this group or entirely responsible for these kills.
Italian Destiny group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any: unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (townie, N5), ajaxfetish (townie, N6), Husar (townie, N7), Sarathos (mafia wise guy, N8), Cowhead418 (detective, N10), Myrddraal (N11), Brave Sir Robin (N12). This group has no known failures as of yet, so a very high batting average for them.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob asserted he was the don of the Corleones. Sigurd claimed to be the King of Hearts hitman. Sigurd's post-mortem has shown he was indeed a mafia don, but has not established his family.
TinCow has accused Sasaki of being a mafia don managing the actions of the rose group and/or Italian destiny group. Sasaki has counter-accused TinCow of once again trying to enter/setup a mafia family and betray the town.
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Musings:
Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--Rogue Detective: KukriKhan. A pro-town rogue killer. Using a powerful .577 Webley he shot Kommodus (luca, N4), Woad&Fangs (wise guy, N5), and Makanyane (luca, N8). He has offered to lead the town's continuing defense against the mafia.
--King of Hearts Hitman: Unknown. Another lone killer is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (wise guy, N5) and Louis VI (presumed wise guy, N6), and attempted a kill on TinCow (N7). Sigurd falsely claimed to have this role.
--Ashanderei: Twilightblade. Yet another solo attacker, but without any successful kills as yet. Attempted hits on Proletariat (N9), Elite Ferret (N10), and Myrddraal (N11). This attacker was revealed as Twilightblade during his unsuccessful attack on Myrddraal. TB's defense, in PM to Sasaki, was that he is a bored player doing solo vig hits knowing that they'll fail. Based on his three solo failures and lack of successful kills, this explanation is at least plausible. According to the rules, solo townies run the risk of dying in a vig attempt, solo wise guys or mafia a risk of being identified.
--Society for Creative Anachronism. This townie vigilante organization was coordinated by JimBob starting on N5 and led by TinCow, especially after JimBob's inactivity began. With TinCow's death, townie leadership has shifted from the SCA to Kukrikhan. Successful hits on FactionHeir (made, N6), Northnovas (made, N7), Tran (mafia wise guy, N8), Ichigo (made, N10), Warluster (N11). Failed hits on Tran (N5)-not enough pms, Twilightblade (N5)-not enough pms, Tran (N7)-apparently luck, Ichigo (N9)-not enough pms, Charge (N9)-apparently luck.
CR is confirmed as the FBI detective and Cowhead as a regular detective. Their results can be trusted, especially CR's as he posted them himself. This is also further incrimination for those who voted CR, especially Kagemusha, Leet Eriksson, and CountArach (CountArach and Kagemusha also voted for Xdeathfire over Dutch Guy and for Tincow, Leet Eriksson also for TinCow).
JimBob was WoGged. His inactivity outlasted Seamus patience. Jubal Barca WoGged along with him.
In addition to TinCow's suspicions of sabotage and his voting record, CountArach was unmasked today as a result of a solo mafia kill attempt on Elite Ferret. He needs to die.
Looks like KukriKhan got 'blocked' last night. He was fortunately protected, and unless he gets selected as director will require further protection, but I don't think we can expect any investigation results from him for last night. Any previous results he has compiled would be most welcome if he is willing to share.
Brave Sir Robin is one more successful hit by the Italian destiny family.
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Detective results:
Cowhead418 (via TinCow, N5 & N6 also via a further anonymous intermediary), regular detective
N1: pevergreen = criminal (lynched D2, wise guy, accurate)
N1: The Stranger = innocent (murdered N3, townie, accurate)
N2: Glenn = innocent (murdered N3, crusader?, probably accurate)
N2: Crazed Rabbit = innocent (lynched D10, FBI agent, accurate)
N3: charge = criminal (lynched D11, results pending)
N3: ajaxfetish = innocent (murdered N6, townie, accurate)
N4: Proletariat = innocent (still alive)
N4: Twilightblade = criminal (still alive)
N5: Rhythmic = innocent (murdered N5, townie, accurate)
N5: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N6: norwegian nerd = innocent (still alive)
N6: FactionHeir = criminal (murdered N6, made, accurate)
CR, FBI detective
N1: Andres = guilty (lynched D5, made, murdered Drisos N1, accurate)
N1: Proletariat = innocent (still alive)
N2: GeneralHankerchief = criminal, wise guy (murdered N4, wise guy, accurate)
N2: Moros = criminal (murdered N4, wise guy or shadow, accurate)
N3: Twilightblade = criminal (still alive)
N3: Makanyane = guilty (murdered N8, luca, must have murdered on N3)
N4: FactionHeir = guilty (murdered N6, made, must have murdered on N4)
N4: Hiji = guilty (lynched D9, townie but with anomalies, must have killed someone by N4)
N5: Joe Monks = criminal (still alive)
N5: Makanyane = guilty N5, Tataglia Luca from outset of game. (murdered N8, luca, must have murdered on N5)
N6: LittleGrizzly = innocent (murdered N10, surgeon, accurate)
N6: norwegian nerd = innocent (still alive)
N7: Roadkill = innocent (WoGged N9, townie, accurate)
N7: Warluster = criminal (murdered N11, results pending)
N8: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N8: Ironside = innocent (still alive)
KukriKhan, claimed as Rogue Detective
N1: pevergreen = criminal (lynched D2, wise guy, accurate)
N1: woad&fangs = criminal (murdered N5 by Kukri, wise guy, accurate)
N2: Kommodus = criminal (murdered N4 by Kukri, luca, accurate)
N2: Ichigo = unclear (murdered N10, made, accurate)
N3: AlexanderthePrettyGood = no result obtained; PM mix-up
N3: Myrddraal = innocent (murdered N11, results pending)
N3: Crazed Rabbit = innocent (bonus, unrequested result; PM mix-up) (lynched D10, FBI agent, accurate)
N6: Makayane = guilty (murdered N8 by Kukri, luca, must have murdered on N6)
N6: Craterus = innocent (still alive)
N7: Ironside = innocent (still alive)
N7: DracoLeman = innocent (WoGged N11, results pending)
N9: TinCow = criminal (lynched D12, results pending)
N9: CountArach = guilty (still alive, must have murdered on N9)
N10: Warluster = criminal (murdered N11, results pending)
N10: scottishranger = criminal (still alive)
N11: TruePraetorian = criminal (still alive)
N11: XehhII = guilty (still alive, must have murdered on N11)
N12: Caius = failure
N12: gibsonsg91921= failure
Victims N3, N4, and N5
--Makanyane guilty N3: taka (I think that was TinCow's old wise guy group (with GH, gibsong, and ?NorthNovas? Didn't he claim that?), Beefy (balloon mafia), Zorg (rose mafia), Pannonian (Straccis), the Stranger (balloon mafia), Glenn (balloon mafia).
--FactionHeir guilty N4: Kommodus (Rogue Detective), Moros (rose mafia), Xiahou (no calling card).
--Makanyane guilty N5: Kamikhaan (Italian destiny mafia), Chimpyang (rose mafia), Motep (Straccis), Rhythmic (no calling card), Woad & Fangs (King of Hearts hitman).
--Makanyane guilty N6: Lt. Pinard (rose mafia), FactionHeir (SCA), Louis (Straccis/King of Hearts), ajaxfetish (Italian destiny mafia)
--CountArach guilty N9: Haudegen (rose mafia)
--XehhII guilty N11: Warluster (SCA), Myrddraal (Italian destiny mafia)
Makanyane must have been part of the rose mafia. Based on CR's claim that she was the Tataglia luca, the Tataglias are the rose mafia.
FactionHeir must (1) have been part of the rose mafia, or (2) have been part of the ?vigilante group? that killed Xiahou. As a made, the rose mafia is more likely.
Count Arach must (1) be in the rose mafia, or (2) be only a wise guy and have murdered by N9). I suspect he's a Tataglia. Ichigo probably was, too, based on the failed hit on him CA was supposed to be helping with and fellow SCA member Haudegen's death that same night.
XehhII must (1) be in the SCA, or (2) be in the Italian destiny mafia.
Summary of the living based on detective results.
Innocent (pro-town or don): Proletariat (Cowhead & CR), norwegian nerd (Cowhead & CR), Ironside (CR & Kukri), Craterus (Kukri)
Criminal (wise guy or mafia): Twilightblade (Cowhead & CR), Joe Monks (CR), scottishranger (Kukri), True Praetorian (Kukri)
Guilty (townie, wise guy, or mafia killer): CountArach (Kukri), XehhII (Kukri)
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Post-mortem results:
25 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou, Rhythmic, molonthegreat, Chimpyang, Kamikhaan, ajaxfetish, Lt. Pinard, Husar, JohnHughThom, Roadkill, Alexander the Pretty Good, Hiji (though his post-mortem is very suspicious)
Detective: Drisos, Cowhead418
FBI Debective: Crazed Rabbit
Surgeon: LittleGrizzly
Crusader?: Glenn, Rob the Celt
15 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member), Motep, WarmasterHorus, Woad&Fangs, Xdeathfire, LouisVI (though Seamus write-up was not specific on his starting role), EMFM (I'm not sure where exactly to put him, so he goes neutral for now), Haudegen, BKS
12 mafia
Affiliated Wise Guy: Tran (Stracci), Sarathos (family unknown)
Made: Tiberius (Corleone), Andres (Stracci), FactionHeir (family unknown), NorthNovas (Stracci), Ichigo (family unknown, possibly Barzini)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown), Dutch Guy (Stracci), Makanyane (Tataglia)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi), Sigurd (family unknown)
Ajax
Ajax
Myrddraal
03-08-2008, 21:02
I would like Sasaki to vote Kagemusha. Just vote him, then unvote him.
Either that, or I would like to see Kage vote for Sasaki.
scottishranger
03-08-2008, 21:09
scottishranger also comes out criminal on N10. Don't we have confirmed kills by him before that? If so, he must be mafia, and no longer a wise guy, or he should have come out guilty.
Ajax
The thing is, I know I am guilty, I will freely admit that I killed someone earlier on in a vig group. I dont get why I am showing up as criminal now. This makes me suspicious of Kurkri. Why am I just criminal?
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 21:16
I don't see the logic of attacking those who you don't have results on, they are potentially pro-town, but if you are confident you can kill CA tonight and I do agree that Twilightblade is a threat to the town then I will:
unvote:CountArach
vote:Twilightblade
Kukri is making the suggestion because he is not the only one gleaning information on mafia affiliations. We can lynch those discovered by CR or Cowhead, or those we suspect are dons, none of whom Kukri can kill. Those he has found criminal or guilty he can take care of in addition to lynch targets.
Ajax
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 21:24
I would like Sasaki to vote Kagemusha. Just vote him, then unvote him.
Either that, or I would like to see Kage vote for Sasaki.
I suspect that's in case Kagemusha were a don and Sasaki his luca? Do we have any indication that don and luca could not vote for each other, especially if it's unlikely to be a winning vote? It's a shame we have no published detective results on either of them.
Ajax
Myrddraal
03-08-2008, 21:24
I would like Sasaki to vote Kagemusha. Just vote him, then unvote him.
Either that, or I would like to see Kage vote for Sasaki.
why?
Because I don't think they can. I think they are forbidden from voting for each other by their red text. If this is true, and they can't vote for each other, then we have found Sasaki's made: Kagemusha.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 21:26
So the list of accused:
gibson (il destino mafia killer)
scottish (Il destino mafia killer)
Elite Ferret ( Don)
Kage (Don)
Oh well....
TruePraetorian and Craterus are Cunnios.
believe or not, that's not a quoted pm
Charge's accusation was edited out later. He seems very angry.
I'm inclined to believe Caius's accusation of gibson and scottish. They are known mafia supporters, and the pm posted supports his story. He hasn't given any explanation for his two don accusations. Elite Ferret I can't give an opinion on, caius you need to post ALL your pm's and give more reason here. Kage is likely a don.
Kagemusha, sitting in a restaurant across town, came face to face with his own mortality at more or less the same exact moment. He was ordering a third martini when a pair of gunmen burst out of the kitchen door, knocking over a single trench-coated man who’d been barring their path. Both men leveled their heavy pistols and made a bee-line for his table. Kage stood to run, knowing it would be too late…
As the shooters opened fire though, a secretive waiter managed to a) push the sommelier between the shooters and Kagemusha and b) lob a tray of perfectly seasoned pasta dishes at the two gunmen. The shots would probably have missed Kagemusha, since they were aimed behind him, as though expecting him to be backing away from some other threat. They didn’t miss the surprised sommelier. He caught all 4 rounds in the torso and hit the floor dying. The pasta, however, was right on target, covering the face of one gunman with hot sauce and a plate knocking the gun from the other’s hand. Both took off in the ensuing confusion, as did the secretive waiter and the fellow who’d tried to block the kitchen entrance. Kagemusha did not finish dinner.
I thought I was the secretive waiter. But it looks like I was the single trench-coated man. So Kage was most likely protected by a luca.
I'm not sure what to make of Charge's accusation. It's possible TP sabotaged the protection on Kukri and tried to kill him. He was the one who sent the pm's and possibly thought from the lack of response (he told me only shlin confirmed his) that kukri would be unprotected. His accusation of kukri today is bizarre. Craterus has been acting suspicious. But I don't see Charge's motive for revealing them or for editing it out.
Unvote:countArach,vote:Kage Our best plan is to lynch the dons and let kukri kill the people he has criminal results on.
Myrddraal
03-08-2008, 21:26
I wish I could explain more, but I'm dead, trust me on this one. Sasaki cannot vote for his made.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 21:27
Because I don't think they can. I think they are forbidden from voting for each other by their red text. If this is true, and they can't vote for each other, then we have found Sasaki's made: Kagemusha.
My made contact died some time ago.
And now, the last Don discovered, TruePraetorian!
Thats why the attack of the chefs failed, because Dons don't count in vig groups! Everyone sent the orders, but there were 2 attackers because Elite Ferret and TurePraetorians are Don's of two families.
BTw, can I post PM's relationated with dead players? If so, I will prove you all that my story is true.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 21:40
@Cauis: yes if you are living you can post pm's from dead players.
TruePraetorian has shown up in vig groups.
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 21:51
:laugh4: Oh no! He found me out! :laugh4:
But really Caius, that is a pretty stupid accusation...ive been in pt/vig groups for the entire game ask anyone...im pretty sure that dons cant count in any townie groups, vig or pt.
And Sasaki, i have half a mind to think YOU didnt send in the orders. My accusation of Kukri is becuase the write-up says he was frozen and didnt complete any night actions, but says he got results on me...odd.
Back to the point, it was I, Sasaki, Shlin, EF, BSR, and XehhII. EF was a test..i thought he would fail, so i predicted 5 would show out of 6. That leaves, Me, sasaki, BSR, shlin, and Xehh. One of them is a doctor now. BSR is dead, so he mustve been pro-town.
So, Sasaki, Me, or XehhII didnt send in the orders. Xehh didnt even get online to recive the orders, it was unread by the deadline.
That leaves both Sasaki and I. If GH's post is false, the TinCow is pro-town. Before he died, he told me not to trust you...saying you have much experience and you can manipulate people. If TinCow trusted me, a new player, over you, an experienced player, then that must prove that YOU are the pro-mafia player and YOU did not send in the orders. TinCow also warned me you would try to kill Kukri last night, and there was an attempt.
Its possible to think Sasaki did not send in the orders and worked with his family (made contacts? please..)to try to kill Kukri, using the stare to avoid being revealed.
EDIT: But sasaki has been in pt groups before, so i am not going to vote for him, just a small FoS.
Makanyane
03-08-2008, 21:57
And now, the last Don discovered, TruePraetorian!
Thats why the attack of the chefs failed, because Dons don't count in vig groups! Everyone sent the orders, but there were 2 attackers because Elite Ferret and TurePraetorians are Don's of two families.
BTw, can I post PM's relationated with dead players? If so, I will prove you all that my story is true.
I thought if I left you for long enough to re-invent your story you would blow yourself up - based on your panicky reaction after *cough* someone apparently persuaded you, you might achieve fame and glory in this thread if you switched your vote at last minute to TC in order to win a place in a mafia family....:devilish:
Gee I'm so sorry to dissapoint you, and that you didn't really get a real chance to join any of my old buddies...
TP has a criminal result according to pro-town detective kukri - yeah everyone go vote the rogue cop your next director .:evilgrin:
Don's can't under any known circumstance come up as criminal to a detective - so either you lying or kukri lying - Kukri confesses to killing me so personally I'd rather town lynches him - but unfortunately doubt they are quite that gullible.
on the off chance - ghost vote: kukri
Excellent, I can prove you all that Im not lying.
Unmasking the master plan
Hey guys, looks like we can win game in this day phase already. All we need to do is to team up with all mafia and vote Kukrikhan, + elect own director (I suggest our Don :D). Town has theoretically only 4 votes (kukri, shlin, xehh, maybe nerd) while rest ours. Only problem is how other mafiosi are about saying "Hey bite me I'm guilty" in thread despite it will make mafia victory instantly. Look, we have 8/12 votes of total 17 this day. If we will lynch KukriKhan town will not be able to even LYNCH us, of coz not kill. Only we need to do after it is declare truce between mafia so Seamus will change victory conditions for us. (meanwhile kill/lynch rest of town)
This was proposed by Don Barzini (Kage), we definitely not going to send our guys first so he and Sasaki will go first, then we and Cunnios. We only need to check if TP is real made cunnio so we can trust him (by asking seamus about that truce, TP firstly said seamus told it to him..)
Voting ends 1700GMT tomorrow (March9) so we can wait one day. I'm asking you when you will be online for sure to vote Kukrikhan (after barzini goes first)? Practically no reason not to do it...
This is teh plan unmasked, the relationship between Sasaki Kojiro, and Kagemusha.
Sasaki seems to be mafioso as well, lynch him!
For those who don't believe the claim of Elite Ferret as Don, his buddy Charge explicits that:
Also dont forget to select Elite Ferret as director, he's our Don :bow:
Charge suggests their don, then he tells me that EF is the director, so i could vote for him.
To Ajaxfetish, maybe this PM exchange will tell you something,
Oi, you still need to reply.
Do you want to join our family?
What family are you?
Sorry, your other pm confused me a bit.
What family I am in is of little consequence, but my Don suggests that if you want to join, you can join our allies, the Tataglia.
The mafia is already organizated.
I thought if I left you for long enough to re-invent your story you would blow yourself up - based on your panicky reaction after *cough* someone apparently persuaded you, you might achieve fame and glory in this thread if you switched your vote at last minute to TC in order to win a place in a mafia family....:devilish:
Gee I'm so sorry to dissapoint you, and that you didn't really get a real chance to join any of my old buddies...
TP has a criminal result according to pro-town detective kukri - yeah everyone go vote the rogue cop your next director .:evilgrin:
Don's can't under any known circumstance come up as criminal to a detective - so either you lying or kukri lying - Kukri confesses to killing me so personally I'd rather town lynches him - but unfortunately doubt they are quite that gullible.
on the off chance - ghost vote: kukri
Hello Makanyane,
Please, people, lets give a big applause to Makanyane, the ghost who allowed me to enter the mafia family.
Im very thank full with you, without you, the mafia could had won!
Wait, the pm said there are only 4 town votes... are we that outnumbered??? More than a dozen mafia against 4 townies??? :inquisitive: If that is the truth, they could have just said they were mafia and won anyway...
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 22:12
Capotally as of post #3375
Lynching
CountArach--3 (scottishranger, Craterus, Kagemusha)
KukriKhan--1 (CountArach)
Twilightblade--3 (KukriKhan, Elite Ferret, Joe Monks)
Elite Ferret--2 (Caius, shlin)
Caius--1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha--1 (Sasaki)
Not Voting: gibsonsg, Ironside, Joe Monks, Leet Eriksson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat (director), True Praetorian, Twilightblade, XehhII
Director Selection
KukriKhan--6 (Sasaki, True Praetorian, shlin, Elite Ferrett, KukriKhan, norwegian nerd)
Proletariat--1 (Proletariat)
CountArach--1 (CountArach)
Craterus--1 (Craterus)
Caius--1 (Caius)
Personally, I think Kagemusha is the best lynch target for today. Between the story of night 6 and his anti-town voting record, I'm convinced he's a mafia don. Twilightblade is a minor threat, in my opinion. He could join the mafia, but has been acting alone and harmlessly thus far. CountArach can be offed by Kukri tonight, and Kukri's director vote looks solid, so he should be safe (the only thing that could prevent him, I think, would be another blocking, which hopefully the mafia don't have available, or a townie protection group, which I don't think we need to worry about.
If you trust my judgment, please shift votes from CA, TB, and Elite to Kagemusha.
Ajax
edit: Caius' reveal doesn't strike me as genuine (and if it were the town would lose anyway), so I think it's best to ignore him. What have his past activities been? Anything suspicious?
Not so fast, my dear friend! We will fight to the last consecuences, the mafia won't win.
We need to vote those who can kill, I'd bet...
FactionHeir
03-08-2008, 22:14
How come he appears twice in your tally
Director Selection
KukriKhan-- 6(Sasaki, True Praetorian, shlin, Elite Ferrett, KukriKhan, norwegian nerd)
Proletariat--1 (Proletariat)
CountArach--1 (CountArach)
Craterus--1 (Craterus)
Caius--1 (Caius)
I changed my vote to myself
Lets not vote for Kukri, I think that wont let him to perform night actions and We'll lose!
True, a protection group would do fine for Kukri.
Sack Kukri, Select Caius
three things:
* I trust caius
* truepraetorian is scum. not priority though
* FIND A WAY TO KEEP KUKRI ALIVE!
and, keep on eye on the tally's.. get those two dons lynched asap.
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2008, 22:39
Interesting developments. I am not going to comment on everything, it's way too interesting for that yet. Some loose comments though:
Wiseguys show up 'guilty' on the night of a kill, and criminal after that. So a criminal result does not mean they haven't killed before. Kage shows up innocent, TruePraetorian as criminal. TP is not a don. Kage's write-up makes perfect sense now. There were two single protectors. :wall:
The trenchcoat protector (Sasaki) and the waiter protector - the luca. Between Kage's suspicious behaviour, mafia voting record and his crappy defense, there is little doubt about Kage being a don indeed.
All those boneheaded lynches of the last few rounds make sense too now. The mafia block voting is obvious. The same goes for many of those other crap lynches. And similarly for all those hits on townies with roles. I wonder if the town can still outvote the mafia. We need a master plan, at least consensus about whom to vote for.
There is probably a mafioso with 'the stare', one who might prevent Kukri from taking out a mafioso tonight. Let's hope there isn't though, so Kukri can take out one mafia gun. I think a director is allowed nighttime actions. And if we are lucky, no nighttime actions are allowed against Kukri. So Kukri can take care of CountArach or Scottish Ranger himself tonight. So why don't we all vote for one of Caius' four exposed mafiosi? That way, we can check Caius revelation too. Gibson has a guilty detective result as it is. Why not vote him? Voting don Kage will only prolong the killing, we need to take out the mafia guns first if the town is to stand a chance. I trust your judgement always, Ajax, but the dons will have to wait until after the guns.
So I say we Select: Kukri and vote: Gibson.
Everyone deselect Kukrikhan over the next 18 hours!!!
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2008, 22:42
Seamus:
Can a director perform nighttime actions?
Can nighttime actions be performed against directors?
I will be killed, I had the threat sent by Charge.
Please vote me. Save KukriKhan.
2 things:
Will never ever play mafia again
Caius, enjoy my ignore list you *****
gibsonsg91921
03-08-2008, 23:11
For one thing, I never sent a message to kill Brave Sir Robin.
For another, it's time someone grew a pair. The jig is up.
Vote: Kukrikhan
For one thing, I never sent a message to kill Brave Sir Robin.
For another, it's time someone grew a pair. The jig is up.
Vote: Kukrikhan
Why Kukri? He is pretty much a pro-town role.
And Charge, just because someone betrayed you (or something like that, wasnt reading the thread too closely), you dont have to lash out like that...
And Charge, just because someone betrayed you (or something like that, wasnt reading the thread too closely), you dont have to lash out like that...
I betrayed him. I do not understand why he became THAT angry.
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 23:24
Its game over. Thanks Seamus for a wonderful game.
There are 18 people left everyone, and by my count 9 mafia/9 townies. Director cant vote so guess what mafia has more votes and Kukri lynched. So what is that....9 - 8 mafia? 6 mafia can do killing (3 dons) so...3 kills tomorrow? Townies can kill...hmm with wiseguys id say 2 people, since Shlin28 is a doctor and cant kill. That leaves us with a whopping 7 - 6, and 1 mafia cant vote, so 6 - 6. Mafia votes one guy, town votes one guy, director lynches townie. Mafia kill off 2 people, town has 4 people. Town kills 1 mafia, so tally is 6 - 3. Mafia elected again, townies voted to be double/tripple lynched..endgame.
Now, I asked Seamus, and he says that if all mafia DO NOT kill each other for a night phase or two, and DO NOT vote to lynch each other, then he will declare a unified victory. Makes sense...he cant continue a game with no one killing each other it would just be a dead thread. And he cant WoG us if we keep vote:abstaining.
Soooo....Vote: Kukri
I will elect director when it gets sorted out who we are choosing. sack:Kukri
All Scum do the same, it for the good of the mafia :beam:
EDIT: Oh yeah, if i screwed up in calculations, only 2 stares have been used...with 9 mafia left. Id say we have at least 1 more stare, so kukri wont be killing tonight, possibly shlin wont be protecting tonight. Even if votes dont go our way today, we will have more mafia then townies next day phase and can kill whomever we wish.
Crazed Rabbit
03-08-2008, 23:29
The Dons Must Be Lynched.
Getting the others is unimportant.
The latest tally I could find:
CountArach--3 (scottishranger, Craterus, Kagemusha)
KukriKhan--1 (CountArach)
Twilightblade--3 (KukriKhan, Elite Ferret, Joe Monks)
Elite Ferret--2 (Caius, shlin)
Caius--1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha--1 (Sasaki)
Everyone must vote for Elite Ferret. Do not try to do any double lynches or other stupid moves.
Vote only for one person, EF. Do not vote for anyone else. The Town must act as one. There can be no pointless bickering.
Elite Ferret is the Don with the most votes right now. He must be Killed.
The Town Wins By Killing Dons, not hapless fools like CA and TB.
VOTE for Elite Ferret! Lynch him today and kill others in the night.
Also - sorry Caius, but Kukri needs the directorship. DO NOT ATTEMPT to change votes from Kukri to anyone else. Caius I trust, but the mafia WILL USE VOTE CHANGING AGAINST US. If Kukri is the director we can have townies protect Caius.
Gibson - you are very clearly mafia if you vote for Kukri.
CR
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2008, 23:36
Bugger, overpowered by those mafia weaklings.
Blech, if I were mafia, it would be my family only, and not some pussy all family victory. Surely you can't all be this afraid of the town that you all have to cuddle up together like a herd of scared sheep. :no:
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2008, 23:37
Hmm, maybe you are right, CR. Maybe we can also vote a mafioso as director. That way, it's one less mafia vote tomorrow. One protection group on Kukri tonight, one vig kill on a mafioso, one kill by Kukri. How many can the mafia take out tonight? Two? Maybe we can still win. We need some number crunchers on this.
Crazed Rabbit
03-08-2008, 23:38
You're right, a bunch of cowards they.
Back in my day, we killed all the other mafia families and then most of the town. And we likely would have won too, if only...
I'm not sure on the rules though- I didn't think any all family victory was possible - they're going to start killing each other sometime.
CR
IF YOU ARE TOWNIE, THEN VOTE FOR ELITE FERRET!
Ok. My opinion on the matter: You're a bunch of cowards.
This is game is meant different. You're meant to win as a single family. Think of what would it be like in real. Sharing power with another family? That's ridiculous.
Not that you'll listen, anyway.. bunch of scum :P
I shall advice town now to vote TruePraetorian. for using a fake 2nd account, and being such a coward-scum.. he desorved most not to achieve victory, I say.
oki, town will die. but please take as much mafia as possible with you in death. they deserve it. ~:)
:bow:
ajaxfetish
03-08-2008, 23:42
How come he appears twice in your tally
The reason is that he first voted for KukriKhan, then for Proletariat, then sacked Prole for himself. I missed it during my tally, and I'm uncertain now which one counts.
Also,
Quote from Seamus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1830137&postcount=1176)
KukriKhan can still kill at night if he's director. I don't trust prot groups to be enough. He must remain director. If Caius is sufficiently afraid, he should be protected instead. Kukri is too important to lose.
Ajax
Current tally:
KukriKhan: 3 (CountArach, gibson, TruePraetorian)
Twilightblade: 3 (KukriKhan, Elite Ferret, Joe Monks)
CountArach: 2 (scottishranger, Craterus)
Elite Ferret: 2 (Caius, shlin)
Caius: 1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha: 1 (Sasaki)
Not voting: 5 (Ironside, Leet Erikson, norwegian nerd, , Twilightblade, Xehh II.)
Can’t vote: 1 (Proletariat)
Oki, another try:
- All town vote elite ferret
- cuddle up with confirmed townies and kill those mafia that are unlikely to survive but can kill more townies.
- select a mafia as director, this one is important
I don't think any mafia has votes for director yet? so we need a candidate. let's say select: truepraetorian. get that going!
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2008, 23:56
Unvote:Kagemusha, Vote:KukriKhan
Unselect:KukriKhan
Who are selecting as director?
Louis VI the Fat
03-08-2008, 23:57
There will be no all-family victory. It's not in the rules. :book:
So maybe the non-Destino family mafiosi would care to vote along with the town? Here is what's going to happen: the Destino family will kill the town first. Together with the other family-less mafioisi. Then, after that, there won't be an all-family win. The Destinos are by far the largest family, they will simply kill off the other remaining mafiosi after the town. It's perfectly obvious.
So die you will anyway, smaller family mafiosi. But you have a choice how you go down: be played like a fool by the Destinos, or face destiny like a man.
TruePraetorian
03-08-2008, 23:58
Ok. My opinion on the matter: You're a bunch of cowards.
This is game is meant different. You're meant to win as a single family. Think of what would it be like in real. Sharing power with another family? That's ridiculous.
Not that you'll listen, anyway.. bunch of scum :P
I shall advice town now to vote TruePraetorian. for using a fake 2nd account, and being such a coward-scum.. he desorved most not to achieve victory, I say.
oki, town will die. but please take as much mafia as possible with you in death. they deserve it. ~:)
:bow:
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!! THEY ARE TRYING TO TURN US AGAINST EACH OTHER!!!!!!!
EDIT: Unnecesary insults
Wipe out the town before decking it out mafia...
The ultimate showdown would be three Dons in the last round.
MAFIA FTW!!!
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:03
There will be no all-family victory. It's not in the rules. :book:
So maybe the non-Destino family mafiosi would care to vote along with the town? Here is what's going to happen: the Destino family will kill the town first. Together with the other family-less mafioisi. Then, after that, there won't be an all-family win. The Destinos are by far the largest family, they will simply kill off the other remaining mafiosi after the town. It's perfectly obvious.
So die you will anyway, smaller family mafiosi. But you have a choice how you go down: be played like a fool by the Destinos, or face destiny like a man.
Wrong Loius. If you were game master, what would you do if no one was killing each other? If everyone was abstaining? You would have to end the game eventually, and your wrong about "its not in the rules". Actually that is the main point, ITS NOT IN THE RULES. There is no rule against an all family victory. Also, if this larger family started killing off the smaller familys...obviously the smaller families would kill of the larger family.
Either way, your sad because town loses.
And personally I Select:Craterus, since the other Don already has protection from a Luca.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 00:03
Bugger, overpowered by those mafia weaklings.
Blech, if I were mafia, it would be my family only, and not some pussy all family victory. Surely you can't all be this afraid of the town that you all have to cuddle up together like a herd of scared sheep.
The mafia by definition use whatever evil tactic it takes to win :tongue3:
Townies on the other hand, are supposed to be honest...:smash:
There isn't a lot of point trying to deflect anything from those two either, they are fairly well known in thread as likely to be guilty from past involvements I think - its more a matter of when town gets round to remembering about them.:devilish:
thanks for thinking of ideas, do run things past me first before talking to anyone else, we have some info on mafia players that can help us to achieve victory without the Cunnio's...
cheers and good luck for this night,
Mak.
Just a PM I forgot to post.
Louis VI the Fat
03-09-2008, 00:04
There won't be three dons in the last round, Sigurd. Just the Destino one and two dead fools.
It would be well above my personal sense of pride to have another family win over mine. It would be me, or the town. Not another family. That is the worst defeat for a family, the greatest shame.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:08
I dont care...Elite wont be playing Julii if he has any plots :laugh4:
But really, I think i should get bonus points for my idea, Seamus, how about 10000 to me and 20 to Craterus?
But Seamus just to prove it, what will happen if no mafia are killing each other and we declare a truce? If you still have the old PM it would be great :yes:
gibsonsg91921
03-09-2008, 00:09
Gibson - you are very clearly mafia if you vote for Kukri.
Oho! You're a sharp one.
EDIT: MAFIOSI VOTE FOR KUKRIKHAN OR IT'S GAME OVER!
And also Drisos, I DID NOT HAVE A SECOND ACCOUNT you idiot.
Care to explain again why 'your brothers' registers, just to start sending messages to players from capo2?
Just because you were the first one dead and pro-town doesnt mean you are always correct. IMO, you are rather annoying,
where did I claim to be correct? :dizzy2:
always FoSing everyone who opposes you. Id choose Glenn over you anyday.
What's this nonsense? fosing who opposes me? what are you talking about? I've been dead for ages. no one opposed me, of course.. furthermore, fosing a lot creates discussion, which is never wrong for town..
:daisy:
Ah, thanks. Please react in a more mature way, because else I'll start rapporting your posts.
There won't be three dons in the last round, Sigurd. Just the Destino one and two dead fools.
Maybe not... but that would be the ultimate showdown.
I dont care...Elite wont be playing Julii if he has any plots :laugh4:
But really, I think i should get bonus points for my idea, Seamus, how about 10000 to me and 20 to Craterus?
But Seamus just to prove it, what will happen if no mafia are killing each other and we declare a truce? If you still have the old PM it would be great :yes:
You should do, you could not win if you dont stop they, you know.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:16
Drisos...i edited out my post, but im glad to see my handywork. You accusing me led to me attacking you, which was unnessary, and i appologize. But, so was bringing up the double account thing. It is not mine, it is my brothers. If you dont beleive me so be it..i dont need you to because it is the truth and that is better then your opinions anyway.
As for everyone else:
DO NOT FALL FOR THESE TOWNIE ATTEMPTS TO TRICK US!!!
ajaxfetish
03-09-2008, 00:18
Wow . . . just wow.
Well, at least I'll get to see how much of my information management was accurate and how much I misconstrued.
And who were the Destino :daisy:s who shot me down N6, eh??? :boxing: :brood:
Ajax
DO NOT FALL FOR THESE TOWNIE ATTEMPTS TO TRICK US!!!
The PM is from Makanyane, so the Tataglia are conspirating against you, thats why they knew their names.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:22
Id like o publicly announce a "Welcome to the family!" to XehhII :laugh4:
He should be posting soon :yes: If not already by the time i post this.
I basically say that so i can say this: WISEGUYS IF YOU WANT VICTORY JOIN A FAMILY!!!!
and:
NO ONE LET CAIUS JOIN!!! HE DOESNT DESERVE IT!!!
Craterus
03-09-2008, 00:23
unvote CountArach, vote KukriKhan
sack [whoever i voted for, possibly myself], select Craterus
Leet Eriksson
03-09-2008, 00:24
VOTE: Elite Ferret.
TriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchT riplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTr iplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynch!!!!!!!!!
Lets form a family and we all win.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:25
The PM is from Makanyane, so the Tataglia are conspirating against you, thats why they knew their names.
I kinda meant Loius trying to say "if it were my family..."
But, it is not up to any of us if the Tatagalia want to attack us..i just hope that IF THEY DO, that the Barzini family will back us up...but again I doubt they will be attacking us.
And it doesnt matter anyway, becuase the town loses :laugh4:
Louis VI the Fat
03-09-2008, 00:25
DO NOT FALL FOR THESE TOWNIE ATTEMPTS TO TRICK US!!!What tricks? The situation is perfectly obvious. This will be a town win or a Destino win.
The mafiosi from the smaller families can choose between voting along with the town to prevent the embarrasment of another family winning, or they can be played like imbeciles a bit more by the Destinos.
Destinos, I should like to remind you all, who have never shied away from killing off as much of the other families as possible until now.
Just a PM I forgot to post.Never seen. And I saw all of them.
Vote or die.
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2008, 00:27
MAFIA, NOW IS YOUR MOMENT!!!
For all of those who have perished in our cause, for the fallen, for the betrayed, for the Dark Side... VOTE KUKRI!
Afterwards, the three families can duke it out like men, the way it should be.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:28
What tricks? The situation is perfectly obvious. This will be a town win or a Destino win.
The mafiosi from the smaller families can choose between voting along with the town to prevent the embarrasment of another family winning, or they can be played like imbeciles a bit more by the Destinos.
Destinos, I should like to remind you all, who have never shied away from killing off as much of the other families as possible until now.
Those tricks! Right there! :laugh4:
It is a trick to make us vote with the town...kinda late in the game for paranoia dont ya think loius?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 00:30
What tricks? The situation is perfectly obvious. This will be a town win or a Destino win.
The mafiosi from the smaller families can choose between voting along with the town to prevent the embarrasment of another family winning, or they can be played like imbeciles a bit more by the Destinos.
Destinos, I should like to remind you all, who have never shied away from killing off as much of the other families as possible until now.
The Destino's are the same size as the rest of the families.
woad&fangs
03-09-2008, 00:31
what the... umm,.... Blast you Pannonian!!! I would have stuck it out with the mafia if you hadn't come meddling about.
Can I ask who Tiberius of the Drake's Don was?
gibsonsg91921
03-09-2008, 00:32
ALL SCUM!
Be proud!
Vote for Kukrikhan or loss is inevitable!
Louis VI the Fat
03-09-2008, 00:35
I would like to express my utter contempt for any wiseguys who have joined and are joining the mafia right now.
That is not a win you share in, it is just a cowardly act. So first the mafia all teams up in one family. Then all wiseguys join. And pat themselves on the back for it as well. Might I suggest next Capo we all join in one big family in this game and congratulate all of us on our brave mafia win then?
Really...:no:
I would like to express my utter contempt for any wiseguys who have joined and are joining the mafia right now.
That is not a win you share in, it is just a cowardly act. So first the mafia all teams up in one family. Then all wiseguys join. And pat themselves on the back for it as well. Might I suggest next Capo we all join in one big family in this game and congratulate all of us on our brave mafia win then?
Really...:no:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2008, 00:38
Good try with the psych-warfare, Louis. But it's over.
Gah, Louis. Don't bother. We'll tell them "We told you so!" after they're killed by who they held for their friends.
Still I have to say, you're all cowards.:shame:
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2008, 00:47
Still I have to say, you're all cowards.:shame:
Mafia. :yes:
Louis VI the Fat
03-09-2008, 00:48
Good try with the psych-warfare, Louis. But it's over.We'll see about that.
We'll see some crying mafiosi before this is all over. There is not going to be an all-family win. There is only one Capo de Tutti Capi in this game. And apparantly, some mafiosi don't seem to know that losing to the town is way better than losing to another family.
I, for one, am looking forward to their tears when I rub in how they have been used by other mafiosi today. :yes:
Never seen. And I saw all of them.
Vote or die.
I tend to believe everyone will want to be the only winners, and Makanyane said there was a conspiracy with the Barzinis against the Cunnios.
And apparantly, some mafiosi don't seem to know that losing to the town is way better than losing to another family.
Couldn't agree more. :bow:
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:53
We'll see about that.
We'll see some crying mafiosi before this is all over. There is not going to be an all-family win. There is only one Capo de Tutti Capi in this game. And apparantly, some mafiosi don't seem to know that losing to the town is way better than losing to another family.
I, for one, am looking forward to their tears when I rub in how they have been used by other mafiosi today. :yes:
Then do it....your attempts are getting "glennish" and i dont think its hitting home :laugh4:
Here mafia:
To: TruePraetorian ; KukriKhan ;
His answer is a couple days late. This is probably more useful to you than me at this point, since I'm dead.
A trusted source has informed me that you were part of the successful townie protection of Prole earlier in the game. That makes it impossible for you to be a Made, Luca, or Don and gives you a lot of credibility. If you would like to help the town with future protection groups (starting this coming night), we could use you.
I will help if you need me.
Thanks :laugh4:
Haudegen
03-09-2008, 00:53
Gah!
The victory conditions are well defined in everyone´s role pm.
Who are you to change them in the middle of the game? IMHO not even Seamus should have the right to do this. :thumbsdown:
gibsonsg91921
03-09-2008, 00:54
I'm sure the final tallies Seamus is doing will give a player more points if their side wins, whether it's their family or not.
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2008, 00:56
I can't wait to see Glenn's reaction to all this. :laugh4:
I only see a bunch of WHINING townies... as in not WINNING townies.
Capo tally:
Town - Mafia 1:1
What say you, 2 out of 3 ?
Gah!
The victory conditions are well defined in everyone´s role pm.
Who are you to change them in the middle of the game? IMHO not even Seamus should have the right to do this. :thumbsdown:
Its not fair. You are right.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 00:58
I'm sure the final tallies Seamus is doing will give a player more points if their side wins, whether it's their family or not.
Exactly. Thats why there is no reason to keep saying "Destino is gonna win!". IF ONE FAMILY ATTACKS ANOTHER, ITS ONLY NATURAL FOR THE OTHER TWO TO TEAM UP...and no one is going to attack.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 01:02
When is Capo III? :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 01:03
Its not fair. You are right.
Compared to having 2 surgeons, 2 detectives, an fbi detective, and a rogue detective working together with an unkillable director and 2 vigilante groups?
Fortunately there were a couple mafia in that group *highfives TP* or else we'd have had a really boring game.
Haudegen
03-09-2008, 01:04
Exactly. Thats why there is no reason to keep saying "Destino is gonna win!". IF ONE FAMILY ATTACKS ANOTHER, ITS ONLY NATURAL FOR THE OTHER TWO TO TEAM UP...and no one is going to attack.
Well, then keep that state of mutually assured destruction as long as you wish, but technically no one wins this game.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 01:04
I can't wait to see Glenn's reaction to all this. :laugh4:
"I TOLD YOU SASAKI WAS GUILTY WHY DIDN'T YOU LISTEN TO ME!"
:laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2008, 01:06
Oh yeah, TP, EF, sorry I implicated you in that fake series of PMs about TinCow. I honestly thought you guys were townies. :sorry:
Remember Rule #1: Sasaki is always guilty.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 01:13
Well, then keep that state of mutually assured destruction as long as you wish, but technically no one wins this game.
Well, not true...technically Seamus says who is the winner, so the only thing technical is the town lost.
Thanks for the high-five sasaki :laugh4:
And to clear things up...Seamus has one of two options:
A.Declaring a joint-family victory (which he said he would have to do in the PM...)
or...
B. Continue the game until one family is left.
There is only one problem with B., we arent going to kill each other.
That means that Seamus has option C.
C. Wait it out for another month or two until someone remembers about Capo II, posts some night actions, and then declare the winner 60 days later.
Which no one has time to do.
So, cry all you want townies.
tally dammit
LYNCH
Kukri ".577" Khan = 5 (Craterus, Sasaki, CountArach, TruePraetorian, Gibsonsg)
Twilight "solo" blade = 3 (EF, JM, Kukri)
Elite Ferret = 3 (Dr. Shlin, Caius, L33t)
Caius = 1 (Kage)
CA = 1 (Scottish)
DIRECTOR
KukriKhan = 4 (EF, NNerd, Kukri, Caius)
Craterus = 2 (Craterus, TP)
CA = 1 (CA)
Caius = 1 (Shlin)
Prole = 1 (Prole)
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 01:22
I sense a hint of anger in Charge :laugh4:
Warluster
03-09-2008, 01:23
Yes! Go mafia! Go my mafia Family! Win! Win! Win! Go mafia!:2thumbsup:
So Mafia have obviously won; what Family has won? :huh2: Hopefuly my mafia Family did....:yes:
I propose a mafia killing. Forget us, then you kill between yourselves and then we exterminate you.
Haudegen
03-09-2008, 01:34
Well, not true...technically Seamus says who is the winner, so the only thing technical is the town lost.
A minor victory at best.
This clearly wasn´t part of the rules when the game started.
If some players lump together and force the referee to change the rules in their favor, then something has gone terribly wrong.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 01:35
Remember Rule #1: Sasaki is always guilty.
It's my custom title for a reason ~:pimp:
I, for one, am looking forward to their tears when I rub in how they have been used by other mafiosi today.
You realize that all these posts by townies about how they look forward to that happening practically guarantees that it won't? :balloon2:
I propose a mafia killing. Forget us, then you kill between yourselves and then we exterminate you.
Hmm let me think. How about no ~D
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 01:36
we aren't forcing anything...if you guys are so upset to this sudden plot then why werent you angry about the mafia truce?
In capo III i bet itll be a rule that you have to kill everyone, so stop whinning about us winning! (thanks whoever made that pun before me) :laugh4:
I'll laugh if Seamus wont let you win.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 01:39
I'll laugh if Seamus wont let you win.
Ill cry..:sad:
I wonder what would happen if Seamus revenge the mafia for us, and kill all the mafiosi and let the town intact.
Did I told you I have 3000000 ina a banka ccount?
Haudegen
03-09-2008, 01:45
we aren't forcing anything...if you guys are so upset to this sudden plot then why werent you angry about the mafia truce?
Where did say I that I liked the truce? It clearly hurt the town. But the truce was in line with the rules. If the mafia wants to kill the town first, that´s perfectly legitimate. But to stop then and invent a brand new victory condition ...
In capo III i bet itll be a rule that you have to kill everyone, so stop whinning about us winning! (thanks whoever made that pun before me) :laugh4:
I don´t think we´d have to wait for Capo III.
Just curious. What´s written in your role pm? My bet is that you have to kill all the other Dons in order to win.
Can you reveal the Don PM please?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 01:49
I don´t think we´d have to wait for Capo III.
Just curious. What´s written in your role pm? My bet is that you have to kill all the other Dons in order to win.
Whether seamus says it's a win or a draw is irrelevent...we beat the town.
Town cant take axe in its face after all their cunning attempts to infiltrate?....
I tried to infiltrate 3 times, and the third was the winning one. Damn, I should had revealed in private, and we could had won.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 01:53
Not a don, and deleted my old one :oops:
Seriously though, im done talking in here..util something new and important happens...possibly Seamus giving the results. If you guys were Mafiosi, you would not be complaining so much...and it doesnt matter the town will be killed off first regardless if the mafia have war or not...so "drop it" :no:
Louis VI the Fat
03-09-2008, 01:58
Who's whining? ~:confused:
The town still intends to win. We have the mafia by the balls. It's not the town's fault some mafiosi panic and jump from our grasp into the claws of the other mafia.
All we are saying is smaller mafioso families still have a choice between losing to the town or losing to the mafia. It's not whining, but a serious offer.
There are six teams in this game. The town is but one. We can deal with losing. I am just baffled that some other teams can be talked into losing in the more painful manner - by the hands of mafiosi who are deceiving them as we speak...
I'm sure the final tallies Seamus is doing will give a player more points if their side wins, whether it's their family or not.Uhm..nope.
One's side is either the town or your own family. Not the other families.
@ Sigurd - my contempt was meant for wiseguys joining the mafia now, today. Those who joined much earlier, I'll congratulate if they manage to win this game.
scottishranger
03-09-2008, 02:34
Unvote: CountArach
Vote:Kukri
muahh
Joe Monks
03-09-2008, 03:07
Unvote:twilightblade
Vote:Kukrikhan
edit to unvote
Unvote:twilightblade
Vote:Kukrikhan
edit to unvote
Are you mafia?¿
CountArach
03-09-2008, 04:05
Man I love Capo. The only game where one can get a confirmed Guilty result, fake a PM in an incredibly obvious way, be seen on a solo mafia killing...
And survive to see a Rogue Detective lynched :laugh4:
Man... the epicness of this game. Mafia pride!
CountArach
03-09-2008, 04:14
Also:
Select: Caius
This will sap them of another vote next time.
CountArach
03-09-2008, 04:23
Pleasure Caius :bow:
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2008, 04:24
Thank you?, CA?
You seem confused.
You seem confused.
Indeed, I am.
GeneralHankerchief
03-09-2008, 04:32
Indeed, I am.
Here's what you need to know:
It's a mathematical certainty that the town is going to lose this game. Everyone's voting Kukri and selecting you as Director because it's good for the mafia, which has unified against the town.
https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/EMPEROR3.jpg
"The Town... will die."
CountArach
03-09-2008, 04:37
I didn't know Sasaki looked like that :laugh4:
Yes.
HAHAHA! Although this matters nothing, that's gold. If only I was still alive. :laugh4:
Bad Luck Town, well played Sasaki.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 04:41
Good tactic CA, lets hope all get in on time.
Unselect: Craterus
Select: Caius
For all of those confused townies going "what the??", its simple really. Kukri dies tonight, Caius becomes director. Two or 3 kills tomorrow night...boom. Town has 4 votes. THEN we can elect a mafia director and seal the deal easily, though i guess it doesnt really matter :beam: mafia victory.
CountArach
03-09-2008, 04:43
HAHAHA! Although this matters nothing, that's gold. If only I was still alive. :laugh4:
Bad Luck Town, well played Sasaki.
It wasn't just Sasaki, there were many other people working with him.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 04:46
HAHAHA! Although this matters nothing, that's gold. If only I was still alive. :laugh4:
Bad Luck Town, well played Sasaki.
Hey! Im the one who "inherited" TinCows group! Sasaki is still a wiseguy, so :furious3:
I deserve ALL the credit, especially for my bold :knight: post explaining how the town loses.
"I'd like to thank Warluster my brother, and my Father Craterus, and everyone else who has helped me get here! Thank you!" *Crowd cheering*
Just Kidding. Sasaki, well played indeed.
:laugh4:
LittleGrizzly
03-09-2008, 04:46
Gah! No It can't be! Go Town...
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 04:47
All I did was help knock out a couple protown roles.
I guess I'll select:Craterus since it makes more sense to protect one of our own.
Do I get to say I told you so?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 04:49
I deserve ALL the credit, especially for my bold :knight: post explaining how the town loses.
That was pretty epic, considering everyone up to that point had still been pretending to be town ~D
CountArach
03-09-2008, 04:49
Do I get to say I told you so?
:laugh4:
Unselect: Caius
Select: Craterus
Its for the best to keep all Dons alive.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 04:53
unselect: Caius
Select: Craterus
Yeah, it doesnt really matter if they get robbed of a vote. We will still have more.
Seamus Fermanagh
03-09-2008, 05:01
Host's current tallies:
Lynch:
Kukrikhan = 7 (CA, Crat, Gibs, Joe, Sasaki, Scott, True)
Elite Ferret = 3 (Caius, Leet, Shlin)
TwilightBlade = 2 (Ferret, Kukri)
Caius = 1 (Kage)
Not Voting = 5 (Iron, nerd, Prole [cnv], 'blade, Xehh)
Director:
Kukrikhan = 4 (Caius, Ferret, Kukri, nerd)
Caius = 1 (Shlin)
Craterus = 4 (CA, Crat, Sasaki, True)
Proletariat = 1 (Prole)
No Selection = 8 (gibs, Iron, Joe, Kage, Leet, Scott, 'blade, Xehh)
1. If any of these are innacurate, please re-post your vote or PM me.
2. Please remember that this is -- after all -- just a game, and that the game isn't finished by any means.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 05:02
Direcector tally seems to have a few problems...
LittleGrizzly
03-09-2008, 05:04
Im not really sure who's on what side left but it would really help if the town could at least organise thier vote...
Edit: seen as you mafia have 'already won' i want to now who killed me and how they knew about me...
Okay, as expected (no really a few people were thinking for quite a while that the mafia would win this...).
But one question I have, if Sasaki is a wiseguy, has never killed and shows up innocent, how can he be part of a mafia family because I thought that requires some killing??? :inquisitive:
About the rest I agree with Louis and Haudegen, either some are fooled or it's a victory on the cheap, doesn't mean the mafia can't or won't do it, they just won't get a lot of glory or congrats from me for such a Walmart victory. :juggle2:
If Kage, Sigurd, Sasaki and Kommodus as well as Gh all play pro-mafia, what can you expect? They'll always find someone who follows them around and while I'm slightly guilty of giving info to Sigurd, the only thing he could really do with it was kill me, a simple townie and by now that's irrelevant anyway so I'll pat myself on the back here for being more careful and not partaking in Sasaki-organized protection groups. :beam:
Now get your Walmart victory you cheapos and stop behaving like you're somehow original for winning against a bunch of noobs and idle townies with the backing of the best liars and mafia experts of this forum. :dizzy2:
I'm not whining either, but learn a bit of decency please, the experts among the mafia are decent enough, ironic isn't it? :sweatdrop:
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 05:09
So, i lost the post (deleted it..:shame: )
Care to explain what would happen if all mafia declared a truce? If none of us were killing each other, what would you do? Set new victory conditions?
To sum it up, would you
A. Let us duke it out and wait until its over, which if we had a truce it would never be over, or,
B. Set a new victory condition, with a joint mafia victory?
The original concept of capo was "A."
To attempt "B," you'd have to prove to me it was a lasting arrangement.
At that point, I'd make a decision. Until then, I don't have to -- though I haven't ruled out the possibility. It is never explicity prohibited by the rules. I'm reading up.
Thanks, im gonna post this.
Here, this happened at 11:06 EST, so 2 minutes ago. Now shut up :beam:
Anyway, i counted the tally for votes. We have 10 people, town has 8, and prole cant vote. So...good game.
EDIT: Here, bolded is Mafia.
Kukrikhan = 7 (CA, Crat, Gibs, Joe, Sasaki, Scott, True) = 7
Elite Ferret = 3 (Caius, Leet, Shlin)
TwilightBlade = 2 (Ferret, Kukri) = 1
Caius = 1 (Kage) = 1
Not Voting = 5 (Iron, nerd, Prole [cnv], 'blade, Xehh) = 1
And, im not sure about T'blade. Prole cant vote so thats 10-7 votes Mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2008, 05:13
Ah well we went from seeming mafia defeat (all three dons revealed) to mafia victory in just a few short minutes and are rather jubilant.
also husar, there were many great players on the protown side.
TruePraetorian
03-09-2008, 05:18
I agree, its just that many Mafiosi infiltrated townie groups, or in Sasakis case (and eventually mine) ran them.
First game of Mafia, and it was fun, thanks for the ride :yes:
CountArach
03-09-2008, 05:24
Im not really sure who's on what side left but it would really help if the town could at least organise thier vote...
Edit: seen as you mafia have 'already won' i want to now who killed me and how they knew about me...
That was myself and Ichigo. I don't beleive we knew anything else about you, unless Kage can confirm something?
EDIT: MAFIA PARTY IN THE CHATROOM! HUSAR IS IN HERE!
also husar, there were many great players on the protown side.
Yes, mostly myself. :eyebrows:
Then there were Louis, prole, Kukri and Grizz. The others I'm not sure about can't have been too many great ones or else you'd have had a smaller network of people doing everything you said and we wouldn't be where we are now.
People have to start reading my posts(except the one where I said prole is a don although I was apparently correct about Kage, just added prole for the lulz and because we would lose anyway, about Kage that was just a right feeling I had pretty early when he was afraid to talk to me and came up with this stoic nonsense of playing alone etc. it just seemed very hard to sell to this town that hardly read my posts and turned a blind eye on him and a lot of others, wow that's a long parenthese part but noone reads them anyway, right? :laugh4: )
norwegian nerd
03-09-2008, 06:12
Vote:Elite Ferret
By the way dear mafia,
Sasaki is an unaffiliated wiseguy
who wants to choose the winning family so he is basically a danger to all families and can easily betray you. Just thought that may be interesting for some of you...
He's also technically a townie right now of course. I'm curious hopw he wants to join a family without killing anyone...
LittleGrizzly
03-09-2008, 06:17
Sasaki was revealed as unaffiliated for a few wintnesses to see....
Can the mafia truce withstand the backstabbing that has already begun...?
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