Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Bah, these mobsters don't deserve that name!

They're scared of a few remaining townies. Sure says something about their confidence when each individual family outnumbers the remaining townies, but they still quake in fear! Bah! Tis not a great shame to lose to killers, but to lose to a bunch of pansies...

:shame:

Or wait...

kage 8 (prole, xehh,shlin,caius,gibson,TwilightBlade, scottishranger,truePraetorian)
cauis 5 (kage,sasaki,Joe Monks,CountArach,LeetErickon)

So, the 'truce' lasted for all of 1/2 a night when the chips were down.

:laugh4:

CR

[Drisos]

1) Lucas can't kill alone


How do you explain Dutch_Guy killing on his own after the strachi family was ripped apart?
However, If I'm not a 1.000 miles off your luca is indeed dead.

[Craterus]

I think DG was killing with gibson or another of the Stracchi recruits.

Trust me, Lucas cannot kill alone.

[GeneralHankerchief]

For God's sake... :wall:

[TinCow]

There is 3 of Cunnios. You almost got us against each other with your stunt.Good job remaining town.

LOL. Looks more like the Cunnios have stopped bothering trying to play it sly. They're just going to lynch you. The only chance the Barzinis now have is to work with the remaining townies to lynch Craterus. Good luck trying to get that one organized. :laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

TinCow, would you mind posting that Illuminati declaration now? I need something to take my mind off this mess.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Barzinis are finished, Cunnio just has to mop up the rest of the opposition.

Though if the mafia must win, I'm glad it's the Cunnios. Heck, I feel almost like family.
:beam:
CR

[LittleGrizzly]

well well, looks like scum can't be trusted after all.

Theres no honour among thieves.

[Caius]

Are you one of the remnants of the Tataglia?

I've been wondering about mafia on mafia hits, and whether they have to leave calling cards in these cases. It might be worth checking up with Seamus on this, and if it turns out they don't need to leave signs, then those thusly proving their innocence would look very dubious indeed.
He is a Cunni(ng) man

[Craterus]

Firstly, an apology to Kage. The mafia could never function properly with the 2 of us opposed. There is too much suspicion and disunity. I know you were probably planning my demise so I decided to beat you to the punch while I had the advantage. You were/are (the former, I hope) a worthy adversary.

This brings me to my second point. I implore what's left of the Barzini family to join mine. A family war now will hand the game to the town. I propose that we stop the killing (I'm a pacifist ~;) why else were the Cunnio so quiet for the whole game?) and take the win. Of course, if you really must take revenge, then you can go for that but in the interest of a mafia win, I suggest the first proposed plan of action. The greater good and everything.

Let me know guys.

[Pannonian]

Firstly, an apology to Kage. The mafia could never function properly with the 2 of us opposed. There is too much suspicion and disunity. I know you were probably planning my demise so I decided to beat you to the punch while I had the advantage. You were/are (the former, I hope) a worthy adversary.

This brings me to my second point. I implore what's left of the Barzini family to join mine. A family war now will hand the game to the town. I propose that we stop the killing (I'm a pacifist ~;) why else were the Cunnio so quiet for the whole game?) and take the win. Of course, if you really must take revenge, then you can go for that but in the interest of a mafia win, I suggest the first proposed plan of action. The greater good and everything.

Let me know guys.
So was it you or Kage who killed EF?

[Craterus]

Believe it or not, it wasn't me. It may have been Kage, it may not have been.

[TinCow]

Let's see here, the town loses if the Cunnios win. If Kage is lynched here and the Cunnios have free reign to exterminate the Barzinis tonight, then the Cunnios win. Therefore the town should help the Barzinis in order to help themselves. The town and the Barzinis should now both switch their votes to Craterus for the lynch. That would help to even up the score. The town also conveniently has access to Doctors. Wouldn't that be useful in a mafia war?

I think it's time for the Cunnios to die.

[Craterus]

Actually TinCow, the town only loses faster if Kage survives. He has a Luca (why haven't you revealed his name publicly again? tut tut scummy) and his Don 'luck' to spare. A lynch is the only way to get rid of him and today's the only day the town has a chance of majority. Let alone the fact that the town cant even raise enough people for a vigilante group, did that slip your mind?

You led the townies wrong many times before TinCow, don't do it again.

[TinCow]

It doesn't matter if the Barzinis still have a Luca, since the town can't kill anyone outside of a lynch. The Luca is only useful against you. Cunnio has more men than Barzini. If Kage is lynched here, they will win this evening's festivities decisively, removing the only opposition to Cunnio power. If the Cunnios lynch Kage and win the battle tonight, then the town loses. If the Cunnios lynch Kage and win the battle tonight, then the Barzinis also lose. The only chance that either of them have is to lynch you right now. Tomorrow night can be dealt with tomorrow night. For right now, unless they cooperate the Cunnios have won. It's pretty simple.

[Craterus]

Well, assume away TinCow, but you're wrong.

Let's see, the Barzini have:
Kagemusha
Joe Monks
CountArach
Sasaki Kojiro
and... Fizz/Leet Errikson - yes, that famous townie, Leet Errikson. In fact a mole.

The Cunnio family consists of:
Craterus
TruePraetorian
Xehh II

I can really see how we're outnumbered now.

[TinCow]

And what of Twilightblade and scottishranger? They seem to be voting in lock-step with you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hmm I guess if you guys want to fight during the day like townies we can do that. How unexciting.

Barzini has 5 votes:
Kage
Joe monks
Leet
Sasaki
CountA

Cunnio has 5 votes:
Craterus (can't vote)
TrueP
Xehh
T'blade
scottish
gibson

So we will tie eachother (giving crat the decider). The town's three votes could swing things. So townies, which would you rather be beaten by, the family that didn't kill all game and which now includes Xehh who abandoned you at the last moment, along with scottish/gibson who jumped ship without care when their don died? Or with the family that masterminded the towns defeat? Your call ~D

unvote,vote:Craterus

[Craterus]

As far as I'm aware, gibson and scottish are going after the person they believe to have killed their Don. I think it is viable to suggest that they will make clear their allegiance at the end of, or even during, this phase. Picking the winning family, if they have any sense.

Interesting point on Xehh there Sasaki. And yet, you went out of your way to ditch the town and join the mafia. Pretty dirty play against your assigned team, don't you think?

Didn't kill all game, surely that shows I'm pro-town. Technically, I have been. I'd rather see the town win than another family, no matter what the victory conditions say. By not killing, I've passively been working for them the whole game.

Masterminded the town's defeat? You overestimate yourselves. I knew all along that the mafia truce was a sham, it's the reason we didn't attend the Don meeting among other things. And its impossible to mastermind anything at this stage, your 2 enemy families could have acted very differently. Your arrogance is surprising... If you honestly think you were being subtle until now, think again. Kage has been unnaturally insistent that the truce won't be broken and his great big family would come to the rescue if it was. It basically confirmed that you were the bad guys. Also, Sasaki is part of that family, you know he would only ever join the team he thought was going to win.

However, I hope that this points gibson and scottish in the right direction and I will kindly ask them not to change their votes from Kage.

So, there you go townies, I'll let you make the decision. Because really, your votes just decide which family wins, it's unlikely that the town can win from this position.

[LittleGrizzly]

Vote for brazini or to be precise Kagemusha!

[Louis VI the Fat]

I have a proposition:

A general truce, across all factions.


This is the honourable way out of the current stalemate. As it stands, the game will be a win between two families, to be decided upon by the whim of the town. This is no way to end Capo.
The town has no realistic way of winning. Yet, the mafia truce has been broken, and can't be restored. So a common mafia win is inconceivable as well. However, the mafia has been playing as one for most of the game, and might want to actually share their destiny after all. Of course, in my proposal, the general truce / victory is extended to all families / mafiosi without a don.

There is something for everyone in this proposal: The town doesn't lose. The mafia can still pride themselves on having outplayed the town. The donless families have made sacrifices on behalf of the common mafia cause, and are in this manner included with full honour.

All six factions stand to benefit, and can congratulate each other for cunning plots they've pulled off at various stages in the game. We all share in the glory without exception, and will leave everything else to Seamus' individual score tabs.

Please let us know what you think. I myself am a dead, unafiliated wiseguy, and stand to gain or lose nothing by this. My sole desire is to end this glorious game on a high for everybody.

I, for one, think this is the honourable way to end this game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

*reads*

*pauses*

*bursts out laughing*

[Drisos]

I don't really care at this point. The more mafiosi die, the better. Preferably all, but hey, that's no longer realistic. Just go ahead and lynch a few before the end of game. :2thumbsup:

[woad&fangs]

I personally want to see the mafia rip each other to shreds in an all out war. If I remember correctly there are 3 townies and 3 wiseguys so there's a lot of devious plots that can still be hatched.

[Pannonian]

Little chance of that Louis. The situation is that the town is dead, but there are also 3 mafia families, 1 of which is larger than the other 2. This larger family has taken advantage of this to weaken another family, while still hiding behind the truce. Having tried to get away with this, they're not going to agree to another truce, and even if they do, I'm not sure if anyone would trust them to keep it. So, assuming that the town will continue to be killed off, the most likely scenario is that the larger family will continue to pick off the others, until they can muster enough strength to outnumber the other 2 families combined. Once that's the case, there's no more need to persuade the other families to hold their fire, as they'll be able to force a win.

Has anyone asked Seamus yet whether mafia on mafia hits need to show calling signs?

[TruePraetorian]

I have a proposition:

A general truce, across all factions.


This is the honourable way out of the current stalemate. As it stands, the game will be a win between two families, to be decided upon by the whim of the town. This is no way to end Capo.
The town has no realistic way of winning. Yet, the mafia truce has been broken, and can't be restored. So a common mafia win is inconceivable as well. However, the mafia has been playing as one for most of the game, and might want to actually share their destiny after all. Of course, in my proposal, the general truce / victory is extended to all families / mafiosi without a don.

There is something for everyone in this proposal: The town doesn't lose. The mafia can still pride themselves on having outplayed the town. The donless families have made sacrifices on behalf of the common mafia cause, and are in this manner included with full honour.

All six factions stand to benefit, and can congratulate each other for cunning plots they've pulled off at various stages in the game. We all share in the glory without exception, and will leave everything else to Seamus' individual score tabs.

Please let us know what you think. I myself am a dead, unafiliated wiseguy, and stand to gain or lose nothing by this. My sole desire is to end this glorious game on a high for everybody.

I, for one, think this is the honourable way to end this game.

Louis go back...what...ONE page??

You were saying "whining mafioso" for years and years...now you want a truce?

Hold on. By the way, current tally below. Check it while im thinking.



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Craterus is right, how can any of you accuse him after so-nobilly trying to defeat the town??

Sasaki, your a funny man when you are desperate. And did anyone wonder WHY he joined the Barzini, who at the time had 4 people AND a Luca, instead of Cunnio or Tatagalia? Each with 3 men and NO Luca??

Kage, ive been in chat quite a bit lately, you are in no position to say "we broke the truce". You have been planning it this entire time. Hint hint, watch who is online before you speak of sabotage.

Leet Erikson, funny story. I thought he was a townie in chat, so i asked him if he wanted to join A family, not specifically ours. He said sure, ill join YOUR family. Funny thing is, he never participated in the night phase, instead Kage tells us he is Barzini. If you guys were planning on ending in a mafia-truce, then everyone in your family should have known about it (IT WAS MADE PUBLIC), and he wouldnt have been hiding. Unless you were trying to make your numbers smaller, to hide your clear dominance of the game??

CA, of all people knows that i told him our family symbol on, hmm, around N10? maybe N11 im not sure. But wasnt it said that our symbol was unknown? HOW CAN YOU BLAME US IF YOU ARE LYING? Trying to frame us, trying to get EF against us. Also, claiming that you didnt kill him..PLEASE say you are kidding. 2 people and town cant do it, but you have Sasaki, Leet, CA, and joe monks. 2 to kill Ironside as stated..what were the other two doing? Exactly. Killing EF is what they were doing.

And now Joe Monks, well, i kmow little about him. Except one valuable fact. To say the least, i find it odd why TinCow is supporting you guys..thats not what the PM's say.

Oh yeah, Loius..

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Nice post :thumbsup:

[KukriKhan]

*"Plant a seed. Watch it grow"*

@Group I: Refer to my previous PM; codeword: Starfish.

[PershsNhpios]

.. All this revealing, supposed or not, is ruinous of the endgame.

You can't all maintain whatever mystery there is left until the post-game write up?

[Louis VI the Fat]

I think I, Craterus and Sasaki gave a pretty good rundown of the current situation: there will be a win by either of two families. Which one, is to be decided upon by the town.

That is ridiculous. My proposal, on the other hand, is not. Far from it.

For a start, what is the winning family going to say after the game? 'Yay, we won! We won because the town loved our beedy little eyes better than those of the other family!!!1!!

There is no honour in that. Sure, lots of little ploys are yet possible. Both families can win. Even a town win is still possible. But no faction can win without relying on a perfectly random preference of the other factions.

I would also like to remind people that last years Capo ended with 14 living players, the exact amount we have now as well.


Louis go back...what...ONE page?? :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

You were saying "whining mafioso" for years and years Nope. What I have been saying, for years and years, was that there wouldn't be a unified mafia win. I don't hear anybody laughing about that anymore either. :book:

You think your family is on top now, TP. Well, actually you are. But this can change rapidly, mind.


Edit: so once again, I was absolutely serious in my proposal. I realise the very idea of a general truce sounds preposterous upon first reading. But just think it over for a while...

It is nowhere near as silly as it looks like at first sight. In fact, it makes perfect sense.

[TruePraetorian]

Im not saying we are on top. If you think about it, we arent. Kage still does have 5 people against 3. It is not our fault EF was killed, and that the tatagalias would rather not join the killers of their don. Thats their choice, and think about it...would you side with the guy who just killed your father? No, not unless you were threatened, and what do we have to threaten them with? Nothing. We cant, we dont have the power to do anything.

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

And Loius, come on, ya know youve been tryin your little physcology tricks :laugh4:

Just look at your first or second post after my opening post (the one where i revealed alot of info). Look at all your recent postes for a scope of it.

[Pannonian]

Im not saying we are on top. If you think about it, we arent. Kage still does have 5 people against 3. It is not our fault EF was killed, and that the tatagalias would rather not join the killers of their don. Thats their choice, and think about it...would you side with the guy who just killed your father? No, not unless you were threatened, and what do we have to threaten them with? Nothing. We cant, we dont have the power to do anything.

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

Is Kage Don Barzini? Didn't someone say earlier that he's just a Luca, and that he should be got rid of so as to gain access to their Don?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

And Loius, come on, ya know youve been tryin your little physcology tricks :laugh4: No Jedi mind tricks this time, my dear TP. It is not a treaty proposal, but an end-game proposal. :bow:

Also, Seamus has already said he'll allow it. (Anybody can PM him to check himself for confirmation). Also, after last night's and today's events, Seamus will certainly not allow any joint mafia victory anymore, if ever he even considered it.


Here is the important part:
The town is currently allied with Craterus' family. If Kagemusha's family doesn't accept the proposal to end the game, the alliance with Craterus' family will hold, and Craterus will win. If, however, Kage accepts and Craterus does not, the town will block switch it's vote to Craterus, and Kagemusha wins.

[LittleGrizzly]

If Kage or Craterus dies does the other don win ?

If so i think votes should hold to lynch kage give Craterus the victory

If not town should go down fighting, taking as many scum down with them as possible

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is just petty arguing at this point.

unvote,vote:no lynch

Let's decide the game with guns not votes. This isn't a fitting end to capo

[Pannonian]

This is just petty arguing at this point.

unvote,vote:no lynch

Let's decide the game with guns not votes. This isn't a fitting end to capo
Would this be because you'll lose on votes? BTW Sasaki, was it you who suggested decapitating the Tataglias at this stage, or did the main Barzini family plan this themselves?

[ajaxfetish]

The last couple pages have been pure delight. Now the question is, should the town take down the traitor Sasaki? Or should they take down the traitor True Praetorian? Who's done more to kick us around and poison us from the inside? Who deserves the greater shame from Fatlington? This one's for CR . . . and Louis . . . and LittleGrizzly . . . and Myrddraal . . . and KukriKhan . . . and me . . . and all the rest of your hapless victims, scum!

Ajax

[Kagemusha]

You know what.This isnt a master plan of Cunnio.This is master plan of Town. As i said before, i didnt brake the truce. Cunnio wouldnt have a chance in hell to lynch me with their votes only. Now town is choosing Don Cunnio, a "mighty" mafia leader with a single kill as Capo de Tutti Capo. Well, be my guest. I rather hang today and give the victory to the other mafia, then start acting as patsy of the town. All i say to Craterus, is that you must truly be proud of your victory given to you by town, which you could not have ever won yourself. I wish for the remaining Barzini to keep their votes in Caius. There is no sense in starting and hopping around as town wishes. Il be at work when the deadline arrives, so i guess congratulations are in order for Craterus. I myself have fullfilled my main victory condition by creating mafia victory. I hope you are able to be proud of your "huge" achievement also. Traitor.:bow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Kill Kage.

Kill the barzinis. The mafia (Cunnio) will win, and Kage's family seems destined to die foolishly ('let's solve this with guns, since we have so many more goons, and not votes, because our don is about to be lynched.') But at least Sasaki will die. :beam:

EDIT: Kage, you only lay out the reasons to lynch you instead of craterus.
Why should not the town kill the one who was it's undoing, while choosing the lesser of two evils, the family that killed only once?
Is it not desirable that we snatch away victory from the mafia that did their utmost to attain it, to punish those who harmed us the most?

Twas you guys who wanted to elect a mafia director and thus free up his luca yesterday. Reap then your rewards, scum!

CR

[ajaxfetish]

And, predictably, when Kagemusha and the Barzinis' betrayal is so blatantly revealed, they try to blame it on the town. All . . . um, 3 of us.

Ajax

[Kagemusha]

And, predictably, when Kagemusha and the Barzinis' betrayal is so blatantly revealed, they try to blame it on the town. All . . . um, 3 of us.

Ajax

If you people cant count what 4 votes can achieve at this point, its your problem.Im not accusing anyone.You with your 4 votes have chosen Craterus as your boss, so you shall have him. Im off to work, thanks for a great game.:smash:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Really. Kage, sorry, but if your grand plans were undone by three townies you don't deserve the Captain of Captains title anymore than Craterus.

I would've won, sneered the mafia don, if only it weren't for those dratted couple of townies!
~;p
Sorry, but none of these families measure up to the white gloves.

Master plan of the town? Crate has more votes than us and can't be killed at night!
:laugh4:

CR

[CountArach]

CA, of all people knows that i told him our family symbol on, hmm, around N10? maybe N11 im not sure. But wasnt it said that our symbol was unknown? HOW CAN YOU BLAME US IF YOU ARE LYING? Trying to frame us, trying to get EF against us. Also, claiming that you didnt kill him..PLEASE say you are kidding. 2 people and town cant do it, but you have Sasaki, Leet, CA, and joe monks. 2 to kill Ironside as stated..what were the other two doing? Exactly. Killing EF is what they were doing.
Wow, lynching my DOn is really putting me in a position where I feel like backing you up on something...

*Swears to the computer screen. VERY LOUDLY.*

Alright, here we go. On the second poit of what our family was doing:

LEET ERIKSON IS NOT A WISE GUY NOR ANY MAFIA ROLE.

How in the hell could he have killed your Don?

[Kagemusha]

Really. Kage, sorry, but if your grand plans were undone by three townies you don't deserve the Captain of Captains title anymore than Craterus.

I would've won, sneered the mafia don, if only it weren't for those dratted couple of townies!
~;p
Sorry, but none of these families measure up to the white gloves.

Master plan of the town? Crate has more votes than us and can't be killed at night!
:laugh4:

CR

CR what part you dont understand. There wont be a night after this day. My 4 men, will join Cunnio and its game over.All other Dons are dead and mafia outnumbers the town. This just shows what sore loosers you are. Im happy with the mafia victory like i said, there just is not enough people with sense of honor to allow me have it together with other mafia.

[Csargo]

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them. Neither family could compete with the Barzini's, and I'm sure both families knew this. The Barzini's could only kill one person last night with two Mades, a Luca, and a townie. Logically this makes sense. Good game Crate you've won.

[Makanyane]

As far as I'm aware, gibson and scottish are going after the person they believe to have killed their Don. I think it is viable to suggest that they will make clear their allegiance at the end of, or even during, this phase. Picking the winning family, if they have any sense.

Interesting point on Xehh there Sasaki. And yet, you went out of your way to ditch the town and join the mafia. Pretty dirty play against your assigned team, don't you think?

Didn't kill all game, surely that shows I'm pro-town. Technically, I have been. I'd rather see the town win than another family, no matter what the victory conditions say. By not killing, I've passively been working for them the whole game.

Masterminded the town's defeat? You overestimate yourselves. I knew all along that the mafia truce was a sham, it's the reason we didn't attend the Don meeting among other things. And its impossible to mastermind anything at this stage, your 2 enemy families could have acted very differently. Your arrogance is surprising... If you honestly think you were being subtle until now, think again. Kage has been unnaturally insistent that the truce won't be broken and his great big family would come to the rescue if it was. It basically confirmed that you were the bad guys. Also, Sasaki is part of that family, you know he would only ever join the team he thought was going to win.

However, I hope that this points gibson and scottish in the right direction and I will kindly ask them not to change their votes from Kage.

So, there you go townies, I'll let you make the decision. Because really, your votes just decide which family wins, it's unlikely that the town can win from this position.
yep, that's what I thought was behind your enthusiasm for these 'peace' plans

lets remember to take out the town guys - as you can see from this DonC doesn't really care about that little detail

[Andres]

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them.

That's a possible explanation :yes:


Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies


Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies


Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies

Why is the mafia listening to TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis ? They are just trying to take out as many scum as possible. They are not interested in anything else.

You don't know for sure who murdered EF, but you all know for sure who is the enemy: the town. Kill of all townies first. After that, you can worry about the other famil(y)(ies).

[Csargo]

That's a possible explanation :yes:

What was the calling card for ET's family Andres, do you know?

[Andres]

What was the calling card for ET's family Andres, do you know?

Nope :shrug:

[Dutch_guy]

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them. Neither family could compete with the Barzini's, and I'm sure both families knew this. The Barzini's could only kill one person last night with two Mades, a Luca, and a townie. Logically this makes sense. Good game Crate you've won.

The original family members can never kill their own Don, they must stay true to him him to the very end.

:balloon2:

[CountArach]

The original family members can never kill their own Don, they must stay true to him him to the very end.

:balloon2:
Not true:


2. If your family has lost its Don, or if your group has never had one, you may ascend to the Role of Don by: a) having at least one other Made in the family/group (2 or more needed), b) having all the other Made Gangsters in your family agree to your becoming the Don, and c) providing that you did not participate personally in the killing of the previous Don.

Indicating that it is indeed possible.

[Myrddraal]

Well well well. Not so "Mafia party in the Chatroom!" now are we scumbags?
:laugh4:

[TinCow]

Why is the mafia listening to TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis ? They are just trying to take out as many scum as possible. They are not interested in anything else.

Of course we just want to see the mafia bleed, but that doesn't make our statements any less true. EF could not have been killed by the town because it was made by 2 people. The town cannot kill anymore because they only have 3 people left, at least one of whom is not a wiseguy. EF was killed by mafia and the town is no threat beyond 3 puny lynch votes.

If the Barzini want to simply give up, then I guess that's the end of the game. I assumed they'd have more guts than this simple resignation and cowardice indicates. Apparently they can't handle a little bit of pressure. :laugh4:

Capo Rule Addendum: Mafioso never die quietly, unless they're Barzini.

[Husar]

Gah, the town is lost anyway, I'm for a Don Crate.

The Barzini is full of traitors, spies and selfish people, "IN YOUR FACE!!!" is all I have to tell them.

I find Crate's play refreshing, interesting and it obviously worked out. :2thumbsup:

Despite that I advised Kage to strike first because the truce wouldn't hold anyway but he foolishly didn't listen to me...

[Andres]

Of course we just want to see the mafia bleed, but that doesn't make our statements any less true.

You sound like me...

[woad&fangs]

The fact still remains that Craterus' family has only killed once in the entire game. Can he truly be considered Capo Di Tutti Capi?

And another thing... Who cares that Kage broke the mafia truce? Weren't we all urging the mafia to do just that? It seems rather hypocritcal for us to now turn against him.

If the town is going to lose then I'm in support of Don Kagemusha and the Barzini's.

[Husar]

The fact still remains that Craterus' family has only killed once in the entire game. Can he truly be considered Capo Di Tutti Capi?
He sat back and watched the other parties kill one another while he and his men were disguised and never showed as guilty. It's similar to what many game heroes do, stay in the dark, be sneaky and intelligent, obviously a clever way to achieve victory, I don't see why that should not be worthy of a Capo de Tutti Capi?

[Drisos]

Victory should be achieved by murder, not by lurking.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Victory should be achieved by any means possible. Whatever strategy gets you there is a good one.

*insert fitting Machiavellian quote here*

[Louis VI the Fat]

Worthy? There is no worthy win possible anymore, Husar. The only honourable way for the mafia to win is to accept my proposal to end the game.


there just is not enough people with sense of honor to allow me have it together with other mafia.Now, now, Kage. That is no way to speak of your mafia allies. Tsk. :no:

The petty grovelling of the Cunnios pleases the town. Hence, they win. However, you have some fine players on your team too, so I am quite sure your family can outgrovel the Cunnios yet. Just lower your pants and bend over further than the Cunnios and this 'glorious mafia win' will be all yours. :book:

[TinCow]

Victory should be achieved by superior strategy. In this case, I have to tip my hat to the Cunnios. Not killing at all was an excellent move. They were able to hide almost completely within the town by legitimately helping it with protection and vigilante groups. I don't know about the rest of you, but for most of the game I kept waiting for a WoG reveal to show a Don. That's entirely because of the Cunnios. I still think the game's not worth giving up on for either the Barzinis or the town, but I definitely think the Cunnios were the superior players so far.

[Myrddraal]

Now, now, Kage. That is no way to speak of your mafia allies. Tsk. :no:

The petty grovelling of the Cunnios pleases the town. Hence, they win. However, you have some fine players on your team too, so I am quite sure your family can outgrovel the Cunnios yet. Just lower your pants and bend over further than the Cunnios and this 'glorious mafia win' will be all yours. :book:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Loving every word!

[Dutch_guy]

Not true:

Indicating that it is indeed possible.

That only accouns for the situation when ones original Don has been killed (is lost) and as far as I know EF was that families original Don. Well, I have no reason not to think so. And my comment meant just that, staying true to ones original Don.

:balloon2:

[Husar]

Bah, i said I would congratulate the mafia if only one family wins and I'll keep my word, that the town votes with them has no real bearing as the town already voted with them before, they/we just didn't know it. As TinCow and I have stated the Cunnios had a Cunning(haha!) plan and that worked out well for them, the rest are just mad that they did the dirty work for the cunning Cunnios like the tools(in a more literal, non-insulting sense) they are. ~;)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #3814



"Mama told me one day it was gonna happen
But she never told me when.
She told me it would happen when I was much older.
Wish it wouldve happened then.

Is this the end?
I wanna know, I wanna know, I wanna know.
Is this the end?
I gotta know, I gotta know, I gotta know.
Is this the end?"
-- New Edition



Sunset, Day 14

Caius, Shlin28, and Proletariat sat huddled together, staring at the argument raging between two (more?) factions that had, only the previous evening, voted nearly in lockstep with one another. Accusations flung at Caius that he was a traitor to 'What’s best for Fatlington' had caused a storm of criticism early in the meeting and Caius’ response – “I only wish I had the chance to kill a few more Mafia Scum!” had sent a brief chill through the room, but the argument changed and shifted. Eventually, the trio found themselves little more than spectators. Finally, it came time to vote.

Craterus huddled with the two counting officers for tonight while the other 4 guards paired off near the likely candidates for tonight – Kagemusha and Caius.

“It is the will of this committee,” intoned Craterus in an oddly formal voice, “that Kagemusha has been judged guilty and a threat to Fatlington. Kagemusha, it is with sincere regret that I hereby declare your life forfeit.”

The guards quickly immobilized Kagemusha.

“Do you have any last words before execution of sentence?”

Kage stared daggers at Craterus.

“It should not be this way. There is no honor in this.” Kagemusha shook his head sadly.

No one else spoke. Kagemusha was walked down to the boardwalk by the guards and tied to the railing on the seaward side. He was offered a blindfold, which he spat upon. He was offered a cigarette, which he accepted. The officers formed the firing party. Kagemusha stared up defiantly at the windows from where the committee watched the execution of justice. With a sneer, he turned his face away to stare directly at the firing squad, looking through and past them to the last rays of the setting sun.

<<Crack!>>

Kagemusha didn’t fall. Chest riven by four shots and slammed back into the railing he struggled to bring himself to his feet one last time. He laughed, or at least it would have been a laugh with untorn lungs, and then whispered one final word.

“Rosebud…”

Coughing and chuckling to himself, Kagemusha slumped in his restraints, and died of his wounds.

Craterus released the committee and they all went out into the dark.



OOC

1. PM’s for night 15 are due no later than 1000 EDT 13 March 2008 (1400 GMT). I will expect PMs from all, clearly stating their actions, inactions or any other relevant statements of intent.

2. Lynch Tally: (13 of 13 possible votes)

Kagemusha = 8 (Caius, Gibsons91291, Proletariat, Scottishranger, Shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II).

Caius = 4 (CountArach, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Leet Erikson)

No Lynch = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

Not Allowed to Vote = 1 (Craterus, Director).

[Andres]

Great guys. Absolutely great.

You know what will happen now, right?

Tomorrow, the townies (only 3, I know, but their 3 votes will be decisive) will vote together with the remnants of Kage's family to get anybody but Craterus elected as Director. The night after that, Craterus, the last Don, will die and who will have won this game?

Yes, the town!

You guys were in a very comfortable position to win this game. It was impossible for the mafia to lose and see now :no: You'll have to be very lucky to keep the last remaining Don alive on night 16 to ensure a mafia victory.

:wall:

Put TinCow, Louis and CR on your ignore lists!

[Husar]

I say the town helps Crate win this and then we get an honorable mafia victory as we should. It also remains to be seen who dies tonight.
But then the strength of the mafia is uaually to be hidden, by revealing their identities they screwed themselves over in a moment of overconfidence.

[Pannonian]

Great guys. Absolutely great.

You know what will happen now, right?

Tomorrow, the townies (only 3, I know, but their 3 votes will be decisive) will vote together with the remnants of Kage's family to get anybody but Craterus elected as Director. The night after that, Craterus, the last Don, will die and who will have won this game?

Yes, the town!

You guys were in a very comfortable position to win this game. It was impossible for the mafia to lose and see now :no: You'll have to be very lucky to keep the last remaining Don alive on night 16 to ensure a mafia victory.

:wall:

Put TinCow, Louis and CR on your ignore lists!
Erm, don't mafia families continue to live without their Dons? In Capo 1 one of the families had lost its Don early, but lived on, and eventually selected CountArach as their new Don. Why would the game end if Craterus were to die?

[Andres]

In general, the town wins when all the mafia Dons are dead – including any new Dons that have “hatched.”

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

[Kagemusha]

Thanks for the game. And congratulations to the town appointed Capo de Tutti Capi, Craterus.:bow:

[TinCow]

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

[Pannonian]

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.
So what are the current rosters? Would it be feasible for the Cunnios to eliminate one more of the Barzini, thus crippling them?

[Kagemusha]

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

Im sure you would love that. Petty minded mafia killing each other untill cripled so town could win. If there is any sense in the remaining players,they wont take that route.

[Husar]

Thanks for the game. And congratulations to the town appointed Capo de Tutti Capi, Craterus.:bow:
I truly wanted you to win when I said you should better strike first, I think you played a good game nonetheless mate, don't be too sad, that truce was simply less stable than you thought and we all know miscalculations happen to the best of us.

[TinCow]

Im sure you would love that. Petty minded mafia killing each other untill cripled so town could win. If there is any sense in the remaining players,they wont take that route.

There's nothing petty about earning a win. The entire game is focused on a victory for either the townies or a single family. A single family victory is what every mafia family has been working towards for the entire game. Giving up on it now because a several dead mafioso are grumpy that they won't get a bonus score is absurd.

[Andres]

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

Take a closer look at my previous posts. I'm not particularly in favour of a combined mafia victory.

But it would be smart for the mafia to focus on the mutual enemy, which is the town. They should take no risks with them. shlin is a doctor and who knows what powers Prole and Caius have still left. If all three of them have power roles, their combined efforts can still hurt a crippled mafia family. It's in the interest of each family to take out all townies first.

After that, the surviving mafiosi can fight it out in an honorable battle and the winner earns the title of Capo de Tutti Capi.

I'm not for a minute insinuating that Stracci can still be part of a victory. We were beaten at an early stage of the game. I already accepted that a long time ago.

[Kagemusha]

I truly wanted you to win when I said you should better strike first, I think you played a good game nonetheless mate, don't be too sad, that truce was simply less stable than you thought and we all know miscalculations happen to the best of us.

Il comment more when the game is over. What i dont get is town gloating over Cunnios with their marvellous strategy. What happened was that first the Tataglia "mafiosi" scottishranger and Gibsons betrayed their own Don and killed him, neither of them was original Tataglia. after that the town in unison offered the victory to Cunnios, by all voting me, any Don with half of brain would have taken that chance. So all we have is two more traitors and town electing Capo de Tutti Capi. Like i said in my description: There is no honour. I made it possible for the mafia to win, its up to the remaining players to decide what they want to do. As my first and foremost objective was mafia victory, i have instructed all remaining Barzini to join Cunnio. Its up to them if they want to do that or die fighting and allow the town possibility of victory.

[Kagemusha]

There's nothing petty about earning a win. The entire game is focused on a victory for either the townies or a single family. A single family victory is what every mafia family has been working towards for the entire game. Giving up on it now because a several dead mafioso are grumpy that they won't get a bonus score is absurd.

There is no earning when something is given to you.

[TinCow]

Take a closer look at my previous posts. I'm not particularly in favour of a combined mafia victory.

But it would be smart for the mafia to focus on the mutual enemy, which is the town. They should take no risks with them. shlin is a doctor and who knows what powers Prole and Caius have still left. If all three of them have power roles, their combined efforts can still hurt a crippled mafia family. It's in the interest of each family to take out all townies first.

After that, the surviving mafiosi can fight it out in an honorable battle and the winner earns the title of Capo de Tutti Capi.

I'm not for a minute insinuating that Stracci can still be part of a victory. We were beaten at an early stage of the game. I already accepted that a long time ago.

Very true, Andres. Unfortunately the truce is already over and everyone knows there's no way to repair it. The remaining townies will be killed off by whoever wins tonight's duel, but for tonight at least, if one family goes after the townies, the other will gut them alive. Since there's no way to re-establish trust between the families at this point, the only option they have left is a straight up slugging match. Since the town can't kill, the determining factor is likely to be who the Tataglia and Corleone remnants side with.

[Kagemusha]

So what the sudden silence? Tincow did your boys got revealed? there are two traitors from last night and everybody should know them: scottishranger and Gibsons. These characters killed their own Don. So its likely that they could be even pro town people, wating for the mafia to go at eachother. So i ask for the remaining mafioso not to go into war,but join, its clear that the town is trying to play you against each other.

[Andres]

So what the sudden silence? Tincow did your boys got revealed? there are two traitors from last night and everybody should know them: scottishranger and Gibsons. These characters killed their own Don. So its likely that they could be even pro town people, wating for the mafia to go at eachother.

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

[Kagemusha]

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

[Andres]

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

If they are Wiseguys, then they should perform a family sanctioned kill tonight. If the target chosen by the mafia does not die, then you know they are still playing pro-town.

Worst case scenario:

Let's assume Caius has been promoted to Wiseguy (didn't he kill for the mafia?), this would mean that the town consists of:

3 wiseguys
1 doctor (shlin28)
1 unknown factor (Prole), could be anything: doctor, Wiseguy, detective, surgeon, secret power role (perfectly possible, you know, remember how she was always protected when attacked?)...

+ the combined efforts of lying and manipulating scumbags townies like TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis...

Now, surviving mafiosi, this is a powerful foe, isn't it?

Killing Caius, Prole and shlin28 should be top priority. gibson and scottish need to be forced to perform a family sanctioned kill on one of those.

[Pannonian]

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.
Wasn't gibson a Made from the start? If so, and is EF was his Don, there's not much sense in killing his own Don and leaving his family with just 2 members, one of which may or may not be a Made. It might just be plausible in the early game, when there are still plenty of undecideds around who may help you top up your numbers, but the lines are drawn pretty clearly by this point.

I suppose drawing up a list of families and roles may help clarify this, as would an investigation on each of them. Providing they don't kill tonight, if they're wise guys, they'll show up as guilty, as wise guys show up as guilty for the rest of the game once they've been involved in at least one killing. If they're Mades, they'll show up as criminal, as Mades show up as criminal unless they're involved in killing the night they're investigated. I don't suppose they'll agree to give up their action for tonight though, so that test will remain purely theoretical.

[TinCow]

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

A slight hole in your theory, that one. If they are both wiseguys, they couldn't have performed a 2 person hit. A 2 person mafia hit requires at least 1 Made.

[TruePraetorian]

Gibson and Scottish are with us. They joined the family after EF died, who by the way the Cunnio's did not do.

The Cunnio arent going to be killing any townies, its uneccesary. They helped us lynch Kage, securing their place in Fatlington. Besides, i think someone already stated, what would a town be without townies :beam:

Thank you to Prole, Caius, Shlin, T'Blade, and any other townies that helped.

So, Barzini, we dont want anymore blood. Just join the family, allowing the Cunnio to have more members then everyone, and ending this bloody game :yes:

[Kagemusha]

A slight hole in your theory, that one. If they are both wiseguys, they couldn't have performed a 2 person hit. A 2 person mafia hit requires at least 1 Made.

Sorry no it doesnt.The hit was family hit, even if the target was their own Don. That explains the Italian language message. Nothing prohibits mafia attacking their own family. Good playing guys but not good enough.Anyway.Charge was the original made of Tataglia, not either of these guys. So it seems you moles have been found.

[Myrddraal]

This is not me as a townie speaking, but me as a person. The town cannot win, but Craterus' has been planning this for some time, he has been manipulating you. Either he fooled Caius, or Caius is working for him. In our recent town discussions, it was Caius who pushed for us to Kill EF.

Yes, it was the town who killed EF! I wrote the write up, it was intentionally vague about how many killers there were, implying two. However, it was not our intention to kill him!

We believed he had a Luca, we only had two alive townies online (one of them may have been a wise guy, Caius). The plan was to have a failed hit on EF. We intended it to look like a failed mafia hit, which failed because of a Luca protection.

Caius discussed all of this with Craterus, who promised he would not kill any townies if we vote Kage the next day.

But the hit succeeded! There weren't enough townies for the hit to succeed, but there was a town contribution. Craterus must have sent a wise guy to make our attack succeed.


So now you know the whole truth. Craterus has been manipulating you, and the town, since the truce was first announced. Let me tell you this, Craterus manipulated the town, and I'm not too happy about that, we fought hard even to the bitter end, hatching our plan to try to trigger a war between the two families, but Craterus used us for his own ends.

Now, he is still using you. You risk nothing from the town. Why hand this manipulator (who has stayed hidden all game, not even killing) the game on a platter.


And so, Craterus' master plan is complete. Master of puppets pulling the strings. I can't wait to see that treacherous Sasaki Dance for his new overlord.

There is no way the town can win. There are three townies left alive. It would take all but 2 mafiosos to die for the town to win. That's not going to happen.

When you were threatened the first time, all the mafia banded together. You were afraid, so you ran to each other for comfort. But one player was playing Capo Di Tutti Capi; Craterus. Now he threatens you again, and offers you another comfort zone; a place on the winning team. Some winner you will be, nothing but a pawn.

[TinCow]

So it seems you moles have been found.

Yep, and now they've infiltrated the Cunnio. Better kill them before they betray their "new" family.

[TruePraetorian]

No, we arent going to be killing our own family, nice try.

[Andres]

Gibson and Scottish are with us.

If they are Wiseguys, they can still chose town. With all the backstabbing going on in this game, you cannot fully trust them until they have been promoted to Made Gangsters of your family.

If they chose the town's side, then the town will have 5 members, 3 of them Wiseguys, one of them a doctor and the 5th one probably a secret power role. Not a weak opponent.

Also, your family will have lost 2 members (scottish and gibson) and will probably lose another 1 or 2 in the killings that will follow.

Killing the townies is a priority.

[Myrddraal]

nvmind, see my post above


Killing the townies is a priority.

All three of them? If you wish, but it may be your last action.

[TinCow]

I agree with Andres, killing scottish and gibson is the only way you can be sure that the town can't win.

[Andres]

I agree with Andres, killing scottish and gibson is the only way you can be sure that the town can't win.

:laugh4:

I wasn't talking about killing scottish and gibson, you evil lawyer, you.

Prole, Caius and shlin28 need to die. We'll see about scottish and gibson later.

[TinCow]

But scottish and gibson are the wiseguys that allow the townies to kill! That's how they got rid of EF last night! If scottish and gibson are allowed to live, then the town can keep killing off the mafia!

[Myrddraal]

It doesn't matter about scottish and gibson, or about Prole Caius and shlin28. You must have missed my last post, read it!

If you need more assurance of the power of the town, I can tell you Prole and Shlin's roles:

Prole is a detective - pretty useless now.
Shlin WAS a doctor, but since the kill on EF he has lost his doctor ability.

I really don't want to see Craterus win this... :inquisitive:

[TruePraetorian]

Why do the dead people keep trying to turn the game? Back and forth, back and forth...stop it your dead!

Anyway, Gibs and Scott are trusted members of the Cunnio. What would be the point of joining the town when you are inches away from the victory line??

Besides, if that was there plot, they had a better chance of betraying us when we were lynching Kage, but they chose not to. If they would have done it right then, then we wouldnt be in the position of power.


Last thing, you guys have to remember that the Cunnio are the peacful family! We already said "no killing townies", weve already offered the Barzini a chacne to live...why on Earth would you want to screw this up?

So dead folks, go back to the grave, for the sake of Fatlington :beam:

[Andres]

But scottish and gibson are the wiseguys that allow the townies to kill! That's how they got rid of EF last night! If scottish and gibson are allowed to live, then the town can keep killing off the mafia!

Lies!

a) scottish and gibson alone can only perform mafia sanctioned kills. They would need a third Wiseguy if they want to perform a pro-town hit.
b) They are Wiseguys and have the possibility to stick to their current family. shlin, Prole, TB and (possibly) Caius (assuming he is still a townie) don't have that option.

Anyway, it's too early for the mafia to start butchering each other. The threat of the town is still there.

[Myrddraal]

Last thing, you guys have to remember that the Cunnio are the peacful family! We already said "no killing townies", weve already offered the Barzini a chacne to live...why on Earth would you want to screw this up?

If you needed proof that what I said is true, there it is. Now go back and read the my post on the last page, and consider your fate!

[TruePraetorian]

WE DID NOT KILL ELITE FERRET!!!!

Seriously stop accusing us! We did not kill EF!! We have myself, and Xehh II. Now we have the edition of Gibson and Scottish. So, this proves you are wrong and trying to trick them. think:


Kage wanted to win also. Who had 5 members last night?? Who killed Iron? They did. So what were the other two killers doing? A luca to protect...IT STILL LEAVES ! MAFIOSO!!. I honestly bet it was CA, since im pretty sure he is a made. Therefore, Caius told Kage about killing EF, and Kage sent in one of his Mafia to help. Therefore:
1.one of the townies either didnt show up, instead one of the intended killers attacked with a mafia.
2. Myrddraal is lying and trying to get Gibs and Scott to join the town, or trying to get us to kill gibs and Scott because he is working with another team (town/barzini), when in acutality Kage sent in the kill
3. EF was killed by his own family.


Now tell me which one sounds more reasonable...nice try Myddraal...

[Husar]

1 unknown factor (Prole), could be anything: doctor, Wiseguy, detective, surgeon, secret power role (perfectly possible, you know, remember how she was always protected when attacked?)...
:laugh4:

Hilarious!

[Andres]

Yes, it was the town who killed EF! I wrote the write up, it was intentionally vague about how many killers there were, implying two. However, it was not our intention to kill him!

We believed he had a Luca, we only had two alive townies online (one of them may have been a wise guy, Caius). The plan was to have a failed hit on EF. We intended it to look like a failed mafia hit, which failed because of a Luca protection.

Caius discussed all of this with Craterus, who promised he would not kill any townies if we vote Kage the next day.

But the hit succeeded! There weren't enough townies for the hit to succeed, but there was a town contribution. Craterus must have sent a wise guy to make our attack succeed.

This has to be a lie. Kill orders must be like this: "Killing with X, Y and Z, target W", sent to Seamus by each participant.

If X and Y would send it like this:

"Killing with X and Y, target W"

And Z like this:

"Killing W tonight"

Then we would have two failed attempts on EF.



So now you know the whole truth. Craterus has been manipulating you, and the town, since the truce was first announced. Let me tell you this, Craterus manipulated the town, and I'm not too happy about that, we fought hard even to the bitter end, hatching our plan to try to trigger a war between the two families, but Craterus used us for his own ends.

You want Craterus dead, because she is the last remaining Don. You're hoping that the other families don't have enough Mades to elect a new Don, thus the dead of Craterus being = townie victory.


You risk nothing from the town.

(...)

There are three townies left alive. It would take all but 2 mafiosos to die for the town to win. That's not going to happen.

If gibs and Scottish backstab the Cunnio's, then the town have how many members? 5? Or, assuming TB is also town, 6? Wouldn't that make them the most powerful faction again?


Prole is a detective - pretty useless now.

Why would a mafioso believe you, Myrddraal?


Shlin WAS a doctor, but since the kill on EF he has lost his doctor ability.

That's nonsense.


WE DID NOT KILL ELITE FERRET!!!!

Indeed, you did not. scottish and gibson did it.

EDIT: Bah, this is too confusing and I'm dead anyway. I'll leave it at that. The living mafiosi did a far better job then me, so who am I to lecture them. Good luck guys. Just don't underestimate the townies.

[Myrddraal]

You don't believe me? Here are the PMs:

EDITED OUT FOR NOW, just in case I'm breaking the rules


This message was copied to:

Caius, Husar, Ironside, Leet Eriksson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Seamus Fermanagh, shlin28, Twilightblade

Who I believed to be townies. However, I have since been informed that Leet Eriksson is a traitor, and is with Kage. He can confirm that these PMs were sent. It is the truth!


You've all been duped. Dance for the master of puppets!

[Myrddraal]

Of course, I was unaware that we were being used. Crate did most of his influencing through Caius. Here's a PM, again, sent to all 'townies' including Leet:


EDITED out for now, just in case I'm breaking the rules. A living townie will re-post it shortly.

[Myrddraal]

Why so quiet Andres? Have you been deafened by the ring of truth? Or perhaps Craterus has given your strings a tug. :smile:

[Andres]

Why so quiet Andres? Have you been deafened by the ring of truth? Or perhaps Craterus has given your strings a tug. :smile:

You are dead, you can't quote pm's after dead.

Unless they are fabricated :shrug:

EDITED OUT QUOTE FROM SUPPOSED GENUINE PM'S POSTED BY MYRDDRAAL.

You expect me to believe Caius wrote that?

[Husar]

You are dead, you can't quote pm's after dead.

Unless they are fabricated :shrug:



You expect me to believe Caius wrote that?
Unfortunately, those PMs are in my inbox like that. :shrug:

[Myrddraal]

You are dead, you can't quote pm's after dead.

I thought that was only PMs Id recieved whilst alive? Edited out for now, just in case. I'll ask a townie to post them. They were sent to many people. Including the mafioso Leet Em, ask him, they are genuine

[Andres]

Unfortunately, those PMs are in my inbox like that. :shrug:

You're dead as well :sweatdrop:

Too many townies on this graveyard. I demand special treatment! Move my coffin to the VIP section of the cemetery please! And I want bodyguards to protect me against haunting townie ghosts!

[Drisos]

Lol, Andres, that sounds like you're admitting it..

btw, wasn't that rule like; you can't reveal PM's you got BEFORE you died?

[Myrddraal]

btw, wasn't that rule like; you can't reveal PM's you got BEFORE you died?

That's what I thought. I've removed the quotes for now, but they'll be back. You can't suffocate the truth! :grin:

[Andres]

btw, wasn't that rule like; you can't reveal PM's you got BEFORE you died?

Nope, that was mentioned in a fabricated Seamus or Andres-pm posted by GH.

[Kagemusha]

Are you people lame or what? scottishranger and Gibsons killed their Don. Nothing prohibits them from doing so and it would be a family hit. Really they are working for the town. Now they have infiltrated Cunnio. Now town is doing all they can in order to Cunnio and barzini attack each other. This would mean that after tonight, there would be 3 less mafia members, so the total mafia numbers would drop to 7, while actually gibsons and scottishranger are pro town. Because not any of the townies will be killed, there will be 4 townies alive. After that gibsons and scottishranger will turn their coats and town will have 6 votes against mafia 4, because Crate cant vote as director. This would mean the lynching of Craterus and a townie victory. Mafia can simply prevent this, if my guys will join the Cunnio and the game is over. I dont know why i should help you stupid Cunnio traitors,but my main goal is mafia victory, so i can bare to help you because of my own family members,to whom i wish victory and not a humiliating defeat in hands of the town.

[Ironside]

-- the dead may not discuss their night actions. SF

I didn't expect that one to actually succeed, as even if we would've been 4 vigilantes, we would've fail on the luca, so we asked for it to be seen as a failed mafia hit. Can probably explain why Seamus messed up first.

Andres, here's two interesting notes:
a) Craterus' mafia jumped clearly on a Kagemusha bandwagon, ensuring elimination. The town votes weren't enough to lynch Kage.
b) Who wouldv'e known that EF was without a luca, if not mafia? Publically it was known that 3 lucas where dead at that time and TP mentions in his Select: Craterus vote that Craterus is unprotected.
c) TP tanking the town and ask for a truce that will make them win the game, just after the Cunnio made certain that kage was lynched.

I can only quote my gotten/sent post-mortem pm right?

[Myrddraal]

scottishranger and Gibsons killed their Don.

This is false! You said yourself Kage, that the mafia cannot change their callsign. I didn't realise this, hence I used a different callsign in the kill write up. You will see when the PMs are reposted. You've been played Kage, Crate wasn't appointed by the town, he has crowned himself.

[Kagemusha]

This is false! You said yourself Kage, that the mafia cannot change their callsign. I didn't realise this, hence I used a different callsign in the kill write up. You will see when the PMs are reposted. You've been played Kage, Crate wasn't appointed by the town, he has crowned himself.

Lol!The kill sign was there. Italian phrase. Ofcourse i would be just happy if the backstabbing traitor would win.But i doubt that.

[Andres]

Andres, here's two interesting notes:
a) Craterus' mafia jumped clearly on a Kagemusha bandwagon, ensuring elimination. The town votes weren't enough to lynch Kage.
b) Who wouldv'e known that EF was without a luca, if not mafia? Publically it was known that 3 lucas where dead at that time and TP mentions in his Select: Craterus vote that Craterus is unprotected.
c) TP tanking the town and ask for a truce that will make them win the game, just after the Cunnio made certain that kage was lynched.

There are three kinds of people: those who know how to count and those who don't ~;p

a) Cunnio thought Kage broke the truce, hence they helped in getting him lynched. In fact, EF was not killed by Cunnio nor Barzini, but by his own family members, scottish and gibson. The callsign was the sign of EF's family.
b) EF's family would have known that EF is without a Luca. Now, maybe gibson and scottish were wiseguys who pretended to "join" EF and EF told them he was the last family member left. scottish and gibson saw that their "new family" was weak and backstabbed him, joining the town again.
c) Maybe he did that because he thought the Barzini's broke the truce and now he doesn't want to play with the Barzini's anymore. I think both the Cunnio's and the Barzini's have been fooled by the town in the previous night.


I can only quote my gotten/sent post-mortem pm right?

I don't think so.

[Ironside]

Are you people lame or what? scottishranger and Gibsons killed their Don. Nothing prohibits them from doing so and it would be a family hit. Really they are working for the town. Now they have infiltrated Cunnio. Now town is doing all they can in order to Cunnio and barzini attack each other. This would mean that after tonight, there would be 3 less mafia members, so the total mafia numbers would drop to 7, while actually gibsons and scottishranger are pro town. Because not any of the townies will be killed, there will be 4 townies alive. After that gibsons and scottishranger will turn their coats and town will have 6 votes against mafia 4, because Crate cant vote as director. This would mean the lynching of Craterus and a townie victory. Mafia can simply prevent this, if my guys will join the Cunnio and the game is over. I dont know why i should help you stupid Cunnio traitors,but my main goal is mafia victory, so i can bare to help you because of my own family members,to whom i wish victory and not a humiliating defeat in hands of the town.

Notice that the Cunnio's has invited scottishranger and Gibsons into thier family, without hesitation.
Now why would they do that unless they know that they know that scottishranger and Gibsons aren't pro-town? And to to know that, they need to know were the hit came from.

[Myrddraal]

The italian phrase was meant to be: "Dal Capo di Tutti Capi" This is nothing like the italian destiny callsign. It also was in an envelope, not on a scrap of parchment.

This was a play on the name of the game. The intended effect was that nobody would know who it had come from, but that person intended to become the Capo di Tutti Capi. I didn't realise the mafia couldn't change their callsign.

You will see when the PMs go back up, the PM I sent detailing the kill description. Ask your own mafioso Leet recieved all these PMs, he will confirm it is true

How could I possibly lie about PMs sent to so many people, including mafia traitors?

[Myrddraal]

a) Cunnio thought Kage broke the truce, hence they helped in getting him lynched.
That's what you were meant to think. Again, just in case I haven't said it enough, Leet E recieved all these PMs. How stupid would I have to be to fabricate PMs and claim I'd sent them to a mafioso?!?!? :wall:

[Andres]

That's what you were meant to think. Again, just in case I haven't said it enough, Leet E recieved all these PMs. How stupid would I have to be to fabricate PMs and claim I'd sent them to a mafioso?!?!? :wall:

WIFOM.

Call me paranoid if you want, but if I would have been a bit more paranoid at the beginning of this game, my family would have survived for much longer :shrug:

[Myrddraal]

Then ask him! If you don't believe me, confirmation is but a question away! :wall:

Cmon Andres, after your ghost has been rattling windowframes across the whole of Fatlington consistently through the game, I can't believe you're going to roll over and die now.

[TinCow]

b) EF's family would have known that EF is without a Luca. Now, maybe gibson and scottish were wiseguys who pretended to "join" EF and EF told them he was the last family member left. scottish and gibson saw that their "new family" was weak and backstabbed him, joining the town again.

I have no idea about scottish, but gibson is a Made and cannot join the town. He was a wiseguy with enough kills to advance to Made when he last killed for the Stracchi. You know this as well as I do. By the luck of the draw, Northnovas got the promotion instead of gibson. That left gibson just 1 kill away from Made status. gibson has already admitted to killing Myrddraal. Since Twilightblade was in on that hit (as shown in the write-up) and was a Made, then gibson would have been promoted. He cannot go back to the town side. If he did in fact kill EF, then he was working for the Cunnio, not the town.

[Kagemusha]

Notice that the Cunnio's has invited scottishranger and Gibsons into thier family, without hesitation.
Now why would they do that unless they know that they know that scottishranger and Gibsons aren't pro-town? And to to know that, they need to know were the hit came from.

Because the Cunnios are being played by the town. But by all means dont listen to me, while my suggestion wont hurt any of the mafia. Go and kill eachother and let the town win. It wont comfort me much then to say, i told you so.

[Kagemusha]

The italian phrase was meant to be: "Dal Capo di Tutti Capi" This is nothing like the italian destiny callsign. It also was in an envelope, not on a scrap of parchment.

This was a play on the name of the game. The intended effect was that nobody would know who it had come from, but that person intended to become the Capo di Tutti Capi. I didn't realise the mafia couldn't change their callsign.

You will see when the PMs go back up, the PM I sent detailing the kill description. Ask your own mafioso Leet recieved all these PMs, he will confirm it is true

How could I possibly lie about PMs sent to so many people, including mafia traitors?

Do you take me as an idiot? After the consistent voting against town from Leet,you knew he was pro mafia. I give it to you that you had a nice little plan,but unfortunately it is revealed.

[Myrddraal]

The town cannot win, it is impossible. For the town to win, they need to outnumber all mafioso. There are three townies alive...


Do you take me as an idiot? After the consistent voting against town from Leet,you knew he was pro mafia.

Perhaps it is me that is an idiot. I didn't look at the voting patterns. I looked at TrueP's post where he bolded all the mafia names, and sent my PM to all the players who's names weren't bolded.

You can look back through the thread to find it if you like.

[Kagemusha]

The town cannot win, it is impossible. For the town to win, they need to outnumber all mafioso. There are three townies alive...



Perhaps it is me that is an idiot. I didn't look at the voting patterns. I looked at TrueP's post where he bolded all the mafia names, and sent my PM to all the players who's names weren't bolded.

You can look back through the thread to find it if you like.

blaa,blaaa,blaaaaa. Thats weak. Even only one of the two being traitor which i doubt,would be enough for the mafia to loose during next day. Do you really think people cant count at all? If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

[TinCow]

If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

Of course not. The Cunnios have earned their victory with a superb strategy. As long as they are acknowledged as the single-family victors, then this game will have ended properly.

[Myrddraal]

Do you take me as an idiot? After the consistent voting against town from Leet,you knew he was pro mafia. I give it to you that you had a nice little plan,but unfortunately it is revealed.

I've given this statment some thought. Even if I did know that he was mafia (which I honestly didn't) the fact still remains - I sent the PMs to lots of people, including him, offering two choices - protect Shlin, or Kill EF (as suggested by Caius). I suggested protecting Shlin. Caius replied to all these people, saying No! Kill EF, Craterus has agreed that we will all vote for Kage tomorrow and will not kill any townies. (I'm paraphrasing here, you'll soon see when Shlin posts the PMs (I've asked him to)).

EF got killed, after these PMs were sent, by a callsign I had PMd to everyone before he got killed.

These facts are verifiable. I was played, we all were, but I've seen my error. I am giving you the verifiable facts, so that you can see for yourselves. And yet you insist on going on blindly to your deaths :wall: Check the facts, they all add up.

[Myrddraal]

If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

Yes I do mind, perhaps TinCow doesn't, but I do. Craterus took advantage of me and the surviving townies, and used us. I would rather see a combined family of all the surviving mafioso not aligned with Crate win, than see Crate win.

[Caius]

I love the mafia don't believing that we did kill EF thanks to Craterus manipulation.

[Kagemusha]

Of course not. The Cunnios have earned their victory with a superb strategy. As long as they are acknowledged as the single-family victors, then this game will have ended properly.

They havent earned crap by being played royally by the town, but mafia victory is the goal and no other family can win anymore earned or not. So for once we partially agree.

[Kagemusha]

I've given this statment some thought. Even if I did know that he was mafia (which I honestly didn't) the fact still remains - I sent the PMs to lots of people, including him, offering two choices - protect Shlin, or Kill EF (as suggested by Caius). I suggested protecting Shlin. Caius replied to all these people, saying No! Kill EF, Craterus has agreed that we will all vote for Kage tomorrow and will not kill any townies. (I'm paraphrasing here, you'll soon see when Shlin posts the PMs (I've asked him to)).

EF got killed, after these PMs were sent, by a callsign I had PMd to everyone before he got killed.

These facts are verifiable. I was played, we all were, but I've seen my error. I am giving you the verifiable facts, so that you can see for yourselves. And yet you insist on going on blindly to your deaths :wall: Check the facts, they all add up.

I dont believe you.You are smarter then that. But really this discussion is fruitless. Mafia victory is what counts and the mafia should take it. The only possibility for victorius family is the lowsy backstabbing Cunnios, but even that is better then loose to the town.

[Myrddraal]

I dont believe you.

Ask Leet E. Go on, ask him. It's not me you don't believe, it's everyone I sent that PM to, including him. You don't believe the truth when it stares you in eye.

Pff, I give up. I have given you the facts, they are verifiable.

If you with to give in completely, to be nothing but pawns in another's victory, then so be it.

I would say you'll see I was telling the truth in the write up, but it's unnecessary, the facts have already been presented.

[Caius]

I think Craterus CAN'T include CURRENTLY AFFILIATED mades/wiseguys. Therefore, he is lying imo.

[shlin28]

PMs to support the Myrddrall's statements:


Hello Seamus, you should have recieved an order for a kill of Elite Ferret from some townies. I think they may not have included a description (as planned) in their kill request.

If you haven't had the order, ignore this PM (stupid disorganised townies!)

If you have, but there was no kill description, please could you use something along these lines for the write up:

Elite Ferret is walking down the almost deserted streets. A man in a trenchcoat steps into the road. EF crouches and draws his gun.

Trenchcoated man says: "Don't shoot, I bear only a message"

Sniper shoots imobile EF. Trenchoated man drops message saying "Il Capo".

Cheers,
Myrddraal.

CCd to:
Caius; Ironside; Leet Eriksson; norwegian nerd; Proletariat; shlin28; Twilightblade; Husar;


Is it possible for 4 townies to do a vig kill and make it look like the mafia?

The plan would be to perform the kill in such a way as only two of the townies were highly visible in the kill, and leave a call sign used by one of the families.

Even if we must die, let's at least trigger a mafia war and see who's got the guts to be Capo di Tutti Capi!

Pretty please?

Myrddraal
Well, let's put it this way....I will usually take any narrative offered and modify it a bit rather than write whole cloth -- saves time. If that narrative named an indistinct number of attackers, I probably wouldn't alter it any....
And the next one relating to Caius:



Seamus has said that we can write our own kill description, and he wont edit it too much.

So we have two choices:

1. - Everybody kills a mafioso, we have a write up which doesn't mention how many killers, and leave a callsign from the "Capo di Tutti Capi" in the hope of provoking a mafia war.

OR

2. - Everybody protects Shlin, Shlin protects who he wants.


I suggest option 2. I think we're going to see a mafia war anyway.

So IMO.

Everybody should send the following order:

Caius, Ironside, Leet Eriksson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat and Twilightblade will protect Shlin.

If you dissagree, say so now! Send your replies to:

Caius; Ironside; KukriKhan; Leet Eriksson; norwegian nerd; Proletariat; shlin28; Twilightblade; Husar; Myrddraal
No, dammit!

If we kill EF, Crate will lead his family to lynch Kage, the Crate family suffers when they are seen as traitors, and we win!

Follow my plan, and I promise Crate family will help our cause!

Anyone need any more evidence? My doctor pm maybe?

[Kagemusha]

Ask Leet E. Go on, ask him. It's not me you don't believe, it's everyone I sent that PM to, including him. You don't believe the truth when it stares you in eye.

Pff, I give up. I have given you the facts, they are verifiable.

If you with to give in completely, to be nothing but pawns in another's victory, then so be it.

I would say you'll see I was telling the truth in the write up, but it's unnecessary, the facts have already been presented.

Well we will see about who was right when the game ends.Hopefully sooner, rather then later.

[Caius]

@Craterus: That PM proves I was loyalty to you, and I'm VERY dissapointed you used us. Now, RIP Caius, shlin, and prole, the last townies.

[Kagemusha]

PMs to support the Myrddrall's statements:


And the next one relating to Caius:



Anyone need any more evidence? My doctor pm maybe?

What evidence is this? There are two possibilities here. Either Crate played this masterful game, which town is selling and i doubt, because that would make town look like morans. Or he was played royally by the town, which i happen to believe. Either way mafia war is fruitless at this point.It only benefits the town.

[Myrddraal]

FACTS:

1. I sent an email suggesting all surviving townies protect shiln
2. Caius says no, that he has a promise from Crate that he won't kill any townies, and that we should kill EF and vote Kage tomorrow.
3. I say fine, those few who are online decide that we don't have time to organise anything better, let's go with that, and submit an ambigous kill description to Seamus
4. Somehow, we had enough townies to perform the kill (or Crate sent us unexpected rienforcements, I don't know which).
5. Crate killed Norwegian Nerd. He lied about not killing any townies.

He basically used us. The town cannot win, but it would be a small victory if Crate doesn't win.

[shlin28]

Er... how could we have to played the Craterus' family? They could have easily kept the truce, but no, they have to trust us, townies who could mostly nothing on our own.

So therefore, it is Craterus who played us, by using Caius to suggest night actions, aka kill EF.

[Kagemusha]

Er... how could we have to played the Craterus' family? They could have easily kept the truce, but no, they have to trust us, townies who could mostly nothing on our own.

So therefore, it is Craterus who played us, by using Caius to suggest night actions, aka kill EF.

I have shown the scenario already, all you did in my opinion last night,was an fake hit against you, which probably created another doctor. This was done so scottishranger and gibsons were freed to kill their own Don, without suspicion from the mafia.

[Caius]

we may be stupid to be fooled in that way, but we made our best, no matter how many we were.

Now, what's next its up to you. You can disarm the craterus mafia + killing him so he cant achieve victory, or you can work with tataglia + cunnio and kill the barzinis. I do not care. We all die, some soon and others not that soon, I'm going to die soon, and I will join all in Heaven.

[shlin28]

Nobody apart from me was there, so no protectors :inquisitive:

I survived cos of RED TEXT, attack me again you will be in for a surprise again :yes:

[Myrddraal]

-- The dead may not discuss PM's in the thread in that fashion. -- SF

As for Shlin? I don't know how he survived, but it wasn't a doctor, notice the only other person in the description (a passing waiter) was killed in the explosion.

EDIT: So apparently it's red text.

[shlin28]

Cos the town is awsome like that.

[Pannonian]

What evidence is this? There are two possibilities here. Either Crate played this masterful game, which town is selling and i doubt, because that would make town look like morans. Or he was played royally by the town, which i happen to believe. Either way mafia war is fruitless at this point.It only benefits the town.
Whatever the real situation is (I'm as clueless as anyone), it's certainly fascinating watching this Mexican standoff, knowing that directing one's efforts at any one faction will leave you exceptionally vulnerable to the others, having a deadline set for resolving this standoff, and not being able to trust anyone since one faction has already been shafted by believing in the truce. From the normal Capo wait for the autopsies, the main point of interest is now seeing which faction will betray whom, and whether or not their informal agreements hold up. At the moment the Cunnios have the advantage of an unkillable Don, while the Barzini have numbers who can be reliably mustered in their name. For everyone and everything else, it's a matter of negotiation and hoping your "friends" keep the deal.

[Kagemusha]

Not possible. The callsign? I sent a PM with a suggestion to use that callsign for the town in it before the hit.

As for Shlin? I don't know how he survived, but it wasn't a doctor, notice the only other person in the description (a passing waiter) was killed in the explosion.

EDIT: So apparently it's red text.

In my family&#180;s kill there were 3 people last night.go count how many are shown in the description. That shows just how much you can read from those. But like i said already. While Cunnios are lower then dirt.Mafia victory is what counts, trying to give the town victory in form of anything is against what is said in our role pm&#180;s.

[Ironside]

:oops: . Sorry about that Seamus. But the alive townies can confirm that night action.


blaa,blaaa,blaaaaa. Thats weak. Even only one of the two being traitor which i doubt,would be enough for the mafia to loose during next day. Do you really think people cant count at all? If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

Only because I would laugh at your folishness of getting the betrayer of the truce and you to win the game.
Our goal is to take as much of the mafia down with us. Dons preferbly. Craterus gave us an option to take out 2. So why not accepting his offer?

But I would agree with target Scottish and Gibson. If they're pro-town, they're pretty strong reinforcement's. If they aren't then they'll probably hit your family tonight to ensure Craterus' victory.

See, a target if we tell the truth or if we lie. :yes:

[Husar]

I didn't think we'd get such an interesting end, now where's my popcorn? :painting:

[Kagemusha]

:oops: . Sorry about that Seamus. But the alive townies can confirm that night action.



Only because I would laugh at your folishness of getting the betrayer of the truce and you to win the game.
Our goal is to take as much of the mafia down with us. Dons preferbly. Craterus gave us an option to take out 2. So why not accepting his offer?

But I would agree with target Scottish and Gibson. If they're pro-town, they're pretty strong reinforcement's. If they aren't then they'll probably hit your family tonight to ensure Craterus' victory.

See, a target if we tell the truth or if we lie. :yes:

Gah! my family cant beat the Cunnios in any scenario, without also giving the victory to the town.

[Ironside]

In my family&#180;s kill there were 3 people last night.go count how many are shown in the description. That shows just how much you can read from those. But like i said already. While Cunnios are lower then dirt.Mafia victory is what counts, trying to give the town victory in form of anything is against what is said in our role pm&#180;s.

Let see now, while your truce is technically legal, it's also impossible to play Capo with it in practice (how many of the players are/were pro-mafia, especially when you count out inactives?), as a 5 family united mafia eats the town alive.

You don't think that Seamus was allowing a bit of bending of the rules to spice up the game in the end then? You can also notice that the kill is formulated as a hit of unknown numbers but implicates atleast 2?

While your 3 man hit on me doesn't say anything about the numbers (well the rose mafia that hit me doesn't show up in numbers)... And yet it's a obvious 2 man hit on EF? :inquisitive:


Gah! my family cant beat the Cunnios in any scenario, without also giving the victory to the town.

If we're outnumbered, how can we win?


Victory Condition

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.

As long as alternative b) cannot be fullfilled, then town cannot win. And according to your theorycrafting we need scottishranger and Gibson as wiseguys to win.

Edit: And it's already checked with Seamus, the town cannot win unless requirement b) is fullfilled

[Kagemusha]

Let see now, while your truce is technically legal, it's also impossible to play Capo with it in practice (how many of the players are/were pro-mafia, especially when you count out inactives?), as a 5 family united mafia eats the town alive.

You don't think that Seamus was allowing a bit of bending of the rules to spice up the game in the end then? You can also notice that the kill is formulated as a hit of unknown numbers but implicates atleast 2?

While your 3 man hit on me doesn't say anything about the numbers (well the rose mafia that hit me doesn't show up in numbers)... And yet it's a obvious 2 man hit on EF? :inquisitive:



If we're outnumbered, how can we win?



As long as alternative b) cannot be fullfilled, then town cannot win. And according to your theorycrafting we need scottishranger and Gibson as wiseguys to win.

Edit: And it's already checked with Seamus, the town cannot win unless requirement b) is fullfilled

Run a scenario and look what day the town will outnumber the mafia.If mafia attack each other, the control of this game returns to town, which will be the neutral party, which will again choose who they want dead.This cycle started from the backstab of Cunnio. And will probably continue until town has won.

[TruePraetorian]

So no more war then?

Kage, tell your guys to join us, that way no one will die.

And I told you the Cunnios didnt kill EF. Therefore, Gibs and Scott have no reason to hate us.

No more blood spilt is necessary. The game has been played, and there is now an opportunity to end the war. These are totalwar forums, and I think there is a good saying from Rome:

"Sometimes the stronger warrior must except, no matter how it is rationalized."

So, Kage, Barzini, join us, end the game. All we need is two people. Its been great, you have to admit..but do we really need to carry it on?

[Craterus]

It's not that easy I'm afraid TP.

I acted without honour and, according to some (probably most), do not deserve to win the game because I didn't play like a real Don etc.

The choice is with the remaining Barzini now.

[Kagemusha]

So no more war then?

Kage, tell your guys to join us, that way no one will die.

And I told you the Cunnios didnt kill EF. Therefore, Gibs and Scott have no reason to hate us.

No more blood spilt is necessary. The game has been played, and there is now an opportunity to end the war. These are totalwar forums, and I think there is a good saying from Rome:

"Sometimes the stronger warrior must except, no matter how it is rationalized."

So, Kage, Barzini, join us, end the game. All we need is two people. Its been great, you have to admit..but do we really need to carry it on?

What nonsense is this? A free round of propaganda?I have said dozen times that after my personal defeat im all for mafia victory, even if it was the filthy crowd called Cunnio family aka the towns female dog. But if the remaining Barzini decide to attack you, i wont cry for you. There is no point trying to talk to me.Im dead, you lynched me. If you want to talk to Barzini,contact the living ones.

[Makanyane]

TP - I've been skim reading thread again so correct me if I have some of this wrong.

Cunnio's proposed the idea of peace treaty and united mafia victory, which you try and convince us is possible under the rules, then we find Craterus would rather either only his family wins or the town.

Cunnio's deny being responsible for killing EF, no all they did is sanction and encourage all the townies to try and do it. Craterus sending order in would mean it only needed two wg's in town group for it to succeed.

Then they sit back and plead innocence while remains of mafia turns on itself and takes out Kage in a lynch vote.


There is scum in this game and there is such scum that a victory on their side would be worse than any form of defeat. To any remaining mafia with an ounce of honour out there, yep take out the town remnants tonight - use don bloody C's orders if you must to get wg's able to kill, but do not accept offers to join his family.

It would be better to lose as an independent than join such scum. Sort out the town and gain the 'mafia' win the rest of us worked so hard towards, but treat these scum with the contempt they deserve and do not join their shallow victory.

EDIT: oh and townies he conned you all as well apparently - but that bit I don't mind :)

[TruePraetorian]

Actaully, we DID NOT SEND IN A WG/MADE/ANYBODY


We had Myself, Craterus, and Xehh II....NO ONE ELSE!

Kage had 4 men..3 on one kill if hes not lying, and then 1 doing what? proabably his "luca protecting him."

Either that, or T'Blade is still a made like people say he is, and he counts as towards a 2-3 person group.

(ps T'Blade your welcome to join :beam:)

[Makanyane]

And I told you the Cunnios didnt kill EF. Therefore, Gibs and Scott have no reason to hate us.


erm, once again..... so your actual people - for some strange reason few decided to join you - didn't kill EF, you just arranged for the towns folk to do it.

Then sat back and saw gibs and Scott accused of killing own don, until some townies smelled a rat and pointed out the truth?

[TruePraetorian]

Read above post :beam:

And werent you tatagalia?? We have nothing against you!

[Kagemusha]

erm, once again..... so your actual people - for some strange reason few decided to join you - didn't kill EF, you just arranged for the towns folk to do it.

Then sat back and saw gibs and Scott accused of killing own don, until some townies smelled a rat and pointed out the truth?

Mak, is either of them Made of tataglia?

[Kagemusha]

Read above post :beam:

And werent you tatagalia?? We have nothing against you!

Ofcourse you dont.You dont have anything against any family unless their Don happens to live.:laugh4:

[scottishranger]

Honestly guys, Gibson and I did not kill EF. We went after Shlin(who we knew was a townie doctor), and somehow he survived randomly.

[TruePraetorian]

No, we thought you guys were in a position to attack us, witht the whole army of people you had there, and decided to strike first.

Dont even try to tell me you werent planning on doing something when Craterus wasnt director..just dont :laugh4:

[Makanyane]

Kage remember you and I are both dead I can't confirm or deny anything even being Tataglia - that is something CR said its not in write up.

EXCELLENT REMINDER! -- SF


And no apparently the Cunnios have nothing against any mafia - so long as the other groups don is dead and the remnants agree to sign up to the Cunnios

[Kagemusha]

Honestly guys, Gibson and I did not kill EF. We went after Shlin(who we knew was a townie doctor), and somehow he survived randomly.

FOS Scottishranger. How convenient of him to survive just randomly, while the townies supposedly were killing your Don.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Wow, this is all getting awfully complicated. :dizzy:


I will share my thoughts:

- The town did not kill EF. Craterus did. However, this is not even important. Either way, Craterus betrayed the mafia.

- The object of the town is not a win. This is not possible. Since Saturday, the object has been to force the mafia families into war. And then seize any opportunity. Presently, the object is to hop from one family to the next, forcing an eventual stalemate and a draw.*

- The mafia war did not happen through our effort. (So no more need for inflammatory taunts from us). The mafia war started because of the masterplan and betrayal of Craterus. This, all the same, was a blessing for the town.

- Kagemusha**, and others, all the mafia families have been deceived and betrayed, by one of the families. Here's the proof: Kage was lynched by the bloody mafia, eh?

So there's no such thing as 'a mafia win at all costs!' anymore.

Really, you can be mistaken in thinking that the town killed EF last night. You can still be, in fact. I can even see why anybody would think that. But surely, the lynch was there. The mafia lynched Kage. A don, no less. What more proof of cunning mafia deceat and betrayal does anybody need? So what's with all this talk of the town that needs to be defeated at all costs? ~:confused:

- I didn't think I would say this, but for the love of all those dead mafiosi who were betrayed from within for their effort, please, no living mafiosi team up with the mafia betrayers. I really don't see how people even contemplated it. You don't honour all the dead mafiosi and the mafia truce by joining the mafia betrayers, you honour it by punishing them.

- The non-Cunnio mafia can't win anymore on their own. This is obvious. What they can do, however, is join the masterplan of the town: force this game into a stalemate. How? By forging a new alliance between all non-Cunnio players.

The choice, however painful to accept, is clear. Either, team up with the family that broke the truce, be betrayed again, and lose to them. Or team up with everybody else, avenge the mafia betrayers, and not lose the game.



* And the object is not and has not been a town defeat while taking out as many mafiosi as possible, as some townies seem to think. Come on, guys, where is your ambition. Surely, I am not the only town player who has not even blinked his eyes once since Saturday? What's with the panic all of the time?

**You are Finnish, I believe. Great culture. But let me tell you about Mediterranean culture. If somebody ***** you over, stabs you in the back and drags your dead body down the streets, then your family does not team up with the people who did this to you. Instead, they drop everything and fight this vendetta out to the last.
This is mafia, Kage. You are not simply Latin, but Sicilian too. And a don, a Godfather at that. For God's sake, if you send your family to join the Cunnio's, I will send you a real-life ticket for a holiday in Sicily this summer. There, you can tell how you played mafia, how you were a Godfather, how you were stabbed in the back in broad daylight for all to see, by people you knew by name and whom your family was allied with. And how you then requested your family to not take revenge, but instead to join up with your backstabbing killers, in the name of 'honouring your family's obligations'. :inquisitive:

Here's what: you will be quartered by a pack of mules right on the spot, simply for making such a mockery out of Sicily's millenia old and very proud civilisation.

[scottishranger]

Wow Kag, there is no way I would kill EF. Gibson and I attacked Shlin, it says both of us.

I ask you this, who attacked Shlin then? Hmm?

[Kagemusha]

Wow Kag, there is no way I would kill EF. Gibson and I attacked Shlin, it says both of us.

I ask you this, who attacked Shlin then? Hmm?

Read the thread.

EDIT: And Louis, if you want to start teaching lessons to me about bad temper, id suggest you teach someone else. The Cunnios make me sick at the stomach, but you dont seem to understand that some things are greater then your own benefit and this is the mafia victory for any mafioso, if he reads his pm. You have bad habbit lecturing people how to play while you were killed yourself ages a go, because your group was unorganized. Dont assume things of people you dont know.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You know what? I don't even care who wins anymore. I just want to watch this thing go on longer.

Seriously, the last ten pages or so are an example of human psychology at its finest. :yes:

[scottishranger]

I have been Kag, and I know you have absolutely no reason to trust me, none at all. But I know that I sent in orders to kill Shlin, and I know Gibson did to. We have no idea how Shlin survived, no idea(though it appears to me to be some red text luck)

Why would we kill EF? Why would I even want the town win? I have been mafied aligned this entire time, even as a townie. I need the mafia to win.

[Makanyane]

A mafia family may, during each “night” phase, make one killing for every two made gangsters or sanctioned wise guys.
the town claim is quite plausible, damned Caius has claimed to have participated as half of a two person sanctioned kill on BSR already, and possibly other kills (Made Caius of the Cunnio could explain some things), the list of townies circulated that pm was according to bit I found quoted


Caius; Ironside; KukriKhan; Leet Eriksson; norwegian nerd; Proletariat; shlin28; Twilightblade


Kage I think you would understand that orders can work even if they have surplus participants. So that only needs one other wg with Caius to have sent order and the whole lot to have been approved by Craterus for the kill to have worked.

[Kagemusha]

I have been Kag, and I know you have absolutely no reason to trust me, none at all. But I know that I sent in orders to kill Shlin, and I know Gibson did to. We have no idea how Shlin survived, no idea(though it appears to me to be some red text luck)

Why would we kill EF? Why would I even want the town win? I have been mafied aligned this entire time, even as a townie. I need the mafia to win.

All i know is that you are a backstabber. backstabbing one, is just as easy as backstabbing another. From our talk from yesterday, i sensed right away that you had predetermined even before talking with me to turn against me and your pall gibsons just avoided me. Your DON fossed Craterus and next Gibsons votes me. I wonder what made you choose Cunnios over us,while we have been cooperating with you for half of the game, while Cunnio was lurking.My honest opinion is that either you or Gibsons or both are townie traitors.

[Sigurd]

Now... who did kill EF? :sneaky:

[Csargo]

blah blah blah blah blah

You killed your Don. :mean:

[scottishranger]

I did not kill EF

Honestly, the only reason I went with Craterus is because he talked to me first. When I was talking with you, I genuinely felt like going to your side. I really did, I just did not want to betray Craterus, and I still dont.

[Caius]

Now... who did kill EF? :sneaky:
I lead the thingie.

[Caius]

the town claim is quite plausible, damned Caius has claimed to have participated as half of a two person sanctioned kill on BSR already, and possibly other kills (Made Caius of the Cunnio could explain some things), the list of townies circulated that pm was according to bit I found quoted




Kage I think you would understand that orders can work even if they have surplus participants. So that only needs one other wg with Caius to have sent order and the whole lot to have been approved by Craterus for the kill to have worked.

Made Caius of the Cunnio could explain some things
Im not Made.

[Makanyane]

Caius you have also established in this thread that you lie a lot when it suits you ... your responses are not likely to be believed

[Caius]

I'm protown, I have been protown , I will be protown, no matter if TP or Crate invite me to their family.-

[Husar]

You know what? I don't even care who wins anymore. I just want to watch this thing go on longer.

Seriously, the last ten pages or so are an example of human psychology at its finest. :yes:
I agree.

And I must say, as I already said to Kage, that when you have a certain percentage of gullible people among the townies, you can expect a similar percentage of gullible people among the mafia. :laugh4:
That is if the choice is actually somewhat random and the amount of people in both groups as high as in this game.

[Caius]

Seriously, the last ten pages or so are an example of human psychology at its finest
Thats related to the history of mafia.

[Myrddraal]

A serious aside:


Quote wherein poster swore by a higher power, since edited in original post. -- SF

Please don't do this guys. There are some people in this world who value oaths/swearing to something. This shouldn't be used in mafia, where part of the game is to decieve.

[scottishranger]

I am speaking the truth, I would not do that unless I was serious Myrddrall.

I will edit it out if you want me to.

[Myrddraal]

It's ok, I know you are telling the truth, but I'd appreciate it if you used different language. I have been telling the truth, but nobody believes me. Deception is part of mafia. If people swear to things and they are telling the truth, then the town has the ultimate trump card; everybody swears to be a townie and the mafia are stuck.

If the mafia then swear to be townies, people are swearing to things which are not true. That's not good imo. I know there are people out there who will break their word on a whim, but I'm not one of them and I'd like to play mafia without having to swear to anything please. It also defeats the whole point of the game.

Sorry if this is just me being sensitive. Lying is part of mafia, I have no problem lying a lot as a mafioso, but when it comes to swearing :no:

[woad&fangs]

Sorry if this is just me being sensitive. Lying is part of mafia, I have no problem lying a lot as a mafioso, but when it comes to swearing :no:
This has been brought up in previous games and I believe that a majority of the players agree with you, Myrddraal.

[Pannonian]

Sorry if this is just me being sensitive. Lying is part of mafia, I have no problem lying a lot as a mafioso, but when it comes to swearing :no:
Replace his words with daisies. That's what Banquo does when people swear, isn't it?

[Caius]

The is the Kingdom of Mafia, not the War and Politics one...

[gibsonsg91921]

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!

What the fudge? I'm gone just one schoolday and I'm accused of killing EF, by Kagemusha, the one who's responsible? Geez!

Scotty and I tried to kill Shlin. If I'm lying, Lothar and the Illuminati can take turns slapping Peter as I request several more.

[norwegian nerd]

I may be dead but this has become very entertaining.... Go town.

[CountArach]

...So is it day or night?

[Makanyane]

24. Pretend like you don't have time to pay attention when you're really just lurking scum. Is a bit late CA......

(about another 8 hours of night to go I think - hope the townies aren't sleeping too secure in their beds...:devilish: )

[CountArach]

I actually don't have time. I started University last week.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

With two hours left, I lack PMs from a majority of players....

[KukriKhan]

With two hours left, I lack PMs from a majority of players....

Group 1: codeword: Flamingo

[Louis VI the Fat]

The ploy of the Cunnios has been beautiful. All throughout the game, they have used the mafia to kill the town, and have used the town to kill the Cunnio's mafia rivals.

They infiltrated the town, and passed on the information they gathered about townies with roles to their mafia rivals, who then killed these townies for them. Simultanously, they had infiltrated the town’s vigilante groups, and have killed their mafia rivals throughout the game together with the town.

They ran absolutely no risk. Their kills on their mafia rivals were accounted for to the town as vig hits. And they were also hidden from the other families because they were town vig kills.
And at the same time, their complete and utter absence of kills as a family was accounted for to their mafia rivals by their infiltration efforts.

So both the town and the mafia, throughout the game, have thought that the Cunnios were working with them.

Meanwhile, the Cunnios ran absolutely no risk at all. They did not even need to make a single kill as a family until yesterday. They left all the killing to the town and the other families. Even as we speak, the Cunnios have infiltrators in both the town and in Kagemusha’s family's associates .

[Louis VI the Fat]

( hope the townies aren't sleeping too secure in their beds...:devilish: )The town is dead. Just three players left, who can't kill.

The Cunnios have used both the town and the mafia families. We have all been equally duped. The families don’t share in a mafia win through the Cunnio win, they share in defeat to the Cunnios together with the town.

The Cunnios are not even pretending anymore that they are or have been playing for a common mafia victory. They revealed themselves yesterday, by openly lynching a rival don. The town thought it was fun, but we were played just as much as the Cunnios mafia rivals. :wall:

We have one last chance of stopping them, if all the non-Cunnios team up. But I fear it is too late for that.



Oh, and there is yet hope for the mafia! you can eat yourself free!
Sicilian Mafioso too Fat for Prison (http://itn.co.uk/news/985ee3619580eb7f0e790c8213bfb07f.html)

An accused Mafioso has been told he must serve the rest of his sentence at home because he is too fat for Italian jails.

Salvatore Ferranti, who weighs 33 stone (210 kg), was allowed to go home after spending six months in four Italian prisons, his lawyer said.

Guards said they constantly needed to help the 36-year-old get dressed and undressed, move about and go to the bathroomGuards said they constantly needed to help the 36-year-old get dressed and undressed, move about and go to the bathroom.

They added that there was no bed big enough for him and that he could not get through the bathroom doors.

Ferranti is accused of being a member of the Mafia clan once headed by Salvatore Lo Piccolo, the "boss of bosses", who was arrested last November.

[Kagemusha]

The town is dead. Just three players left, who can't kill.

The Cunnios have used both the town and the mafia families. We have all been equally duped. The families don’t share in a mafia win through the Cunnio win, they share in defeat to the Cunnios together with the town.

The Cunnios are not even pretending anymore that they are or have been playing for a common mafia victory. They revealed themselves yesterday, by openly lynching a rival don. The town thought it was fun, but we were played just as much as the Cunnios mafia rivals. :wall:

We have one last chance of stopping them, if all the non-Cunnios team up. But I fear it is too late for that.



Oh, and there is yet hope for the mafia! you can eat yourself free!
Sicilian Mafioso too Fat for Prison (http://itn.co.uk/news/985ee3619580eb7f0e790c8213bfb07f.html)

If the town is dead indeed, you sure make loud noise praising Cunnios and trying to get others to attack them.:inquisitive:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sorry Kage, call me a broken record, but...the Cunnio's betrayed your trust, backstabbed you, and openly lynched you. Why you are rooting for their win at the expense of your family and allies is beyond me. ~:confused:

[Andres]

Sorry Kage, call me a broken record, but...the Cunnio's betrayed your trust, backstabbed you, and openly lynched you. Why you are rooting for their win at the expense of your family and allies is beyond me. ~:confused:

You, of all players, certainly have some sympathy for backstabbers and traitors, hmmm?

:smash:

[Kagemusha]

Sorry Kage, call me a broken record, but...the Cunnio's betrayed your trust, backstabbed you, and openly lynched you. Why you are rooting for their win at the expense of your family and allies is beyond me. ~:confused:

Im rooting for mafia victory. But if it makes you happy, my mission to have that, could be highly unlike to be successful. We will probably see lot of backstabbing and other activities, so the crowd can be happy to have their drama. But in the other context, it seems majority of players have already gone inactive. Maybe my lynching and braking my streak of being undefeated mafioso was enough of climax for some people. But thats what you get by valuating the situation the wrong way:clown:

[Louis VI the Fat]

You, of all players, certainly have some sympathy for backstabbers and traitors, hmmm?

:smash:You were brutally betrayed by me, Andres. Now do as mafia in this game does and cheer for your betrayer! :smash:

More seriously:
We have all been betrayed by the Cunnios. Town and mafia alike. The betrayal did not start yesterday with the Cunnio murder of Elite Ferret and Kage's lynch. The Cunnios have played both the town and the mafia throughout the game. They win, without firing a single shot as a family until n13. :wall:

Who do you think was in those town wiseguy groups? Some half of the members of them turned out to be Cunnios. They have been killing mafiosi all throughout the game. That's why the town was never suspicious of them. And that is why the town was so confident that there would be no common mafia victory. :book:

[Kagemusha]

You were brutally betrayed by me, Andres. Now do as mafia in this game does and cheer for your betrayer! :smash:

More seriously:
We have all been betrayed by the Cunnios. Town and mafia alike. The betrayal did not start yesterday with the Cunnio murder of Elite Ferret and Kage's lynch. The Cunnios have played both the town and the mafia throughout the game. They win, without firing a single shot as a family until n13. :wall:

Who do you think was in those town wiseguy groups? Some half of the members of them turned out to be Cunnios. They have been killing mafiosi all throughout the game. That's why the town was never suspicious of them. And that is why the town was so confident that there would be no common mafia victory. :book:

Yeah lets go out all and kill the Cunnios! Then the remaining mafia should probably just kill themselves for the heck of it. Lets first see what your wiseguys will do tonight.

[Louis VI the Fat]

~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry:

Bugger, when I said Saturday that we would see a lot of crying mafiosi before this was all over, I had hoped that they would all team up against the backstabbing mafia family once they found out which one it was. :embarassed:

Apparently, not. Apparently, the scenario that Elite Ferret is the one don in the history of mafia who is somehow excluded from knowing who his family members are, or the scenario that EF was killed by his two mades simply for the heck of it, is more convincing than the scenario that the family who lynched a don and betrayed the truce is the one responsible for all this. :wall:

(Was Sasaki behind all of this? Who else can not only come up with a beautiful double-layered double-cross of both the town and four families at the same time, and execute it with military precision and discipline, AND be devious enough to convince those he betrayed or even had lynched that they should root for the people who just killed them. Sasaki was not a member of your family yet, was he, Kage? I think it is no mere coincidence that he has *ahem* joined the Cunnios now, tonight.)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #



“It is a time of great light
And a great darkness
Can't you feel the present
Of its phenomenon
In an atmosphere supreme
Forces dwells in dominancy
The essence of its spirit is evil
As a curse upon thy name
Midnight is the shepherd of mysterious powers
And moving shadows in the corner of the eye
Moon's blazing intuition
Contains what death require”
-- Limbonic



Summary, Night Fourteen


Joe Monks stood at the railing of the boardwalk, gazing out across the moonlit sea. He crushed his cigarette, dropping it into the sand below. A slow, patient exhale sent the soft smoke twirling in the moonlight. He waited, enjoying the night.

The first crossbow bolt took him in the middle of the back. Tonight, there was no armor between Joe and fate and the bolt punched deep into him. Joe staggered, but held himself from falling. His exhale was sharper this time, and pained, but he did not cry out or scream. He just straightened and continued to gaze out past the breakers and into the Atlantic.

The second bolt struck higher, punching through Monk’s right scapula and into the lung. This one brought him to his knees. He remained silent throughout, still gazing out across the dark sea, his breathing shallower and shallower until, at last, that too stopped. He crumpled softly to the boardwalk.

Two dark figures glided up behind him. Neither spoke. One knelt to leave a brief note: “Cosi sempre a traditori.” Both figures paused over the body, lingering just one short moment, and then faded back into the shadowed streets of Fatlington.


Leet Erikson was nervous. Things had not gone quite as…expected…lately. He peered between the blinds of his front window, scanning the street in front of his house. Then he spotted the shrouded figure in the shadows between two of the bungalows across the little street. He could just make out the shape of a crossbow and the glint of something metal as the figure turned.

Leet spun away from the window just before the bolt went through the glass where he’d been standing, peering through the parted Venetian blinds. He quickly brought up his shotgun and moved out through the front door.

<<He can’t reload in time,> thought Leet, <<and a shotty trumps his stupid bow!>>

Leet charged into the street quickly pumping a round of shot into the corner post behind which the crossbowman had taken refuge. He racked another round into the barrel and paused to take a better shot.

Leet wore his armored vest, but the shot that struck him from the left had been designed for tougher armor. The .55 round from the Boys ATR struck just above his left hip on a downward angle, effortlessly punching through the body armor, Leet’s abdomen, his right pelvis, and, finally deforming, exited in a huge, torn wound at his right hip – taking the joint with it. Leet dropped his weapon and collapsed in the street, screaming in agony at the unbelievable pain from the wound.

The crossbowman walked forward carefully, just in case Leet somehow managed to grab his weapon. Though instantly lethal, the crossbow bolt was almost an act of mercy.


Caius and Shlin28 were sitting at the bar at the Hotel Abbatoir. Both had gone back to their apartments at first, but just couldn’t relax. Without any consultation, both found themselves at the bar, so they shared a table. The last couple of weeks had been a constant strain and they decided that, all-in-all, a few boilermakers weren’t going to hurt anything.

Just after Shlin left, a tall masked figure in a high-collared black frock coat, sleeves embroidered with stylized gold dragons and pins on either collar point swept into the bar. He held the long hafted blade of the ashenderi with practiced ease.

“Shall we dance, Caius!” The blade whirled, a silver whispered circle of death that evoked screams from some at the bar – and sent most of the patrons backing away from Caius’ table.

“No, thanks," said Caius. He’d barely flinched as the blade whirled over his head and now just paused to sip his beer.

“Don’t know the steps, shadow-spawn? I’d be happy to teach you…”

“So cut my head off, then, Tee-Bee. Frankly, I’m just a bit tired of all this crap.”

Twilightblade stopped spinning his ashenderi and rested it. Looking at Caius with a look of disappointment and frustration.

“It’s no darn fun if you won’t play along,” said 'blade.

“No doubt.”

Caius kicked the chair Shlin had been using out a bit from the table, making space.

“’blade, why don’t you sit down, shut up, and let me buy you a drink,” said Caius, filling a shotglass from the bottle of Wild Turkey he and Shlin had been working on.

Twilightblade took a long look at Caius, then he put down his beloved Ashenderi, sat quietly down and picked up the glass. Both raised their shotglasses in a silent toast. Neither spoke, but just sat quietly together, easing their tensions – at least for the night – in a mellowed ethanol haze.

Both had splitting heads when Fermanagh’s police collected everybody for their required attendance at the morning meeting.


Morning Meeting, Day Fifteen


Fermanagh looked at the much-dwindled committee.

“We’re pretty certain that a new crime family has begun operating. There have been 3 crossbow-related deaths in two nights. I’m afraid it isn’t a good sign.”

He paused, not sure what to make of the listless expressions on the faces of some of the committee and entirely unsure what to make of the stares of the others.

“I’m afraid our follow-on investigations have produced some disturbing results. TinCow was confirmed to be a WiseGuy, but we were unable to establish a clear connection to one of the crime families. We can’t be certain he was opposed to the town. Both JimBob and Brave Sir Robin were townies. We have some indications that both may have been involved in the attacks, but rumors suggest they were targeting the mafia. Some of the rumors said the same thing about TinCow.”

“Let me add that we’re pretty certain that Glenn, JimBob, and Rob_the_Celt were all in some kind of secret society. There are simply too many coincidences in the paraphanelia they had etc. for them not to have had some connection. I’m sorry I can’t add anything more.”

“Thanks, commissioner,” said Craterus. “I’ll remind you all that today we select a Director as well as vote for whomever we think is guilty of these continuing crimes…”



OOC

1. Day Fifteen lynch voting and director selection commences as of now. Votes are due to me no later than 0800 EDT tomorrow, 3/14/8 (1200 GMT).

2. Current List of Players:

Still Alive: (11) Caius, CountArach, Craterus, gibsonsg91921, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II.

Attacked: (37) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3, N14), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10, N12, N13), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), shlin28 (N13), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)

Murdered: (38) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10), Myrddraal (N11), Warluster (N11), Brave Sir Robin (N12), Elite Ferret (N13), Ironside (N13), norwegian nerd (N13), Joe Monks (N14), Leet Erikson (N14).

Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).

Lynched: (14) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10), Charge (D11), TinCow (D12), Kukrikhan (D13), Kagemusha (D14).

Removed from Play: (15) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9), Caeser the III (N11), Draco Leman (N11), JimBob (N12), Jubal_Barca (N12).

[Kagemusha]

I guess my guys decided to just die. Im sure Craterus the worm feels high and mighty now.Also the townie infiltrators that killed their Don ,could you now please lynch Craterus, so the town cant start celebrating.

[Craterus]

Select: Craterus I know I can't vote, but can I select? If not, let me know.

I'll ignore the jibes till the endgame...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*yawn* vote:craterus

[Ferret]

GAH!!! sorry Kage, I told my guys not to vote for you but they don't seem to be Tataglias anymore, I was killed by Craterus I'm sure of it. For example that last kill with crossbows left an Italian phrase at the end just like my kill had.

Oh and the 'Italian Destiny' family leave a Spanish phrase so I'm not sure why they are called that :clown:

[Kagemusha]

Select: Craterus I know I can't vote, but can I select? If not, let me know.

I'll ignore the jibes till the endgame...

Well whether you will be betrayed or if the town gave you the victory, it doesnt chance much what i think of you.

[Husar]

Bwahahahahaha! :laugh4:

Ah well, sorry, gotta catch a train... ~D

[ajaxfetish]

GAH!!! sorry Kage, I told my guys not to vote for you but they don't seem to be Tataglias anymore, I was killed by Craterus I'm sure of it. For example that last kill with crossbows left an Italian phrase at the end just like my kill had.

Oh and the 'Italian Destiny' family leave a Spanish phrase so I'm not sure why they are called that :clown:
Sorry. I'm afraid that's my fault. I haven't yet studied either Spanish or Italian enough to consistently differentiate them, and Italian seemed more likely in a mafia setting. I started calling your family that after my death on N6 and the name stuck.

Ajax

[Caius]

Cosi sempre a traditori
Casi siempre un traidor? tradicion?

Its not Spanish, its italian.

And the Craterus mafia killed EF. They told me.

[Kagemusha]

So what does that sentence say in English?

[Caius]

not sure about the last word, but it can mean almost always a traitor or tradition.

[Ferret]

Casi siempre un traidor? tradicion?

Its not Spanish, its italian.

And the Craterus mafia killed EF. They told me.

I was talking about the sig of my family not Craterus's and yes I know he killed me and he should kill you too you damn traitor :skull:

[Kagemusha]

I think i have found the limits of being cold hearted scum. I suggest to remaining Barzini to vote for Craterus today. Screw the mafia victory, i cant watch him killing you one by one, while you die as loyal men.:bow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

So if we lynch Craterus, what happens?

Have the Barzini remnants elected a new Don? CA and Sasaki are all that remain of the Barzini family, right?

CR

[Caius]

he should kill you too you damn traitor
He won't.

[Craterus]

Kage, just so you know: Plan A was to leave the remaining Barzini alone. I PM'd your family asking if they were planning to go for a mafia victory or a family war. The PMs I received suggested the the former. I was hardly going to take risks at this stage.

[Kagemusha]

Kage, just so you know: Plan A was to leave the remaining Barzini alone. I PM'd your family asking if they were planning to go for a mafia victory or a family war. The PMs I received suggested the the former. I was hardly going to take risks at this stage.

I dont need your excuses. While our family will die anyway, its better to hang you then die leaving you alive. Lets see if your beloved town will save you now.

[shlin28]

Vote Craterus

:laugh4:

[Caius]

Select:Craterus

I have done a promise, and I won't break it.

[Kommodus]

Kage, just so you know: Plan A was to leave the remaining Barzini alone. I PM'd your family asking if they were planning to go for a mafia victory or a family war. The PMs I received suggested the the former. I was hardly going to take risks at this stage.

And you didn't think it was risky to start picking off the remaining Barzinis, a move which would obviously antagonize the survivors and cause them to vote for you? :dizzy2:

I agree with Kage. Lynch Craterus and make the once-seemingly-impossible townie victory a reality! :2thumbsup:

[Caius]

All in all, its just another kick in the balls.

[Drisos]

This is to Caius: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3:

Talking of not breaking promises... take a look at the one who you're electing right now... :shame:

Inbelievable.. :wall:

so, it's

Craterus+TruePraetorian+Xehh
vs.
Sasaki+CountArach
vs.
Prole+shlin

and a number of doubtfull people.. t'blade, gibson, caius, scottish. it will depend on them who wins I guess..

[Makanyane]

I should congratulate Craterus or getting the game to the point that now apparently neither the town nor the mafia care who wins - so long as its not him :laugh4:


Drisos - I think most promises Caius makes he does with fingers crossed - so he can say they don't count!

[Caius]

I know, but it had to sound TOO realistic. Its a sacrifice we all have to do.

[Ironside]

And you didn't think it was risky to start picking off the remaining Barzinis, a move which would obviously antagonize the survivors and cause them to vote for you? :dizzy2:

I agree with Kage. Lynch Craterus and make the once-seemingly-impossible townie victory a reality! :2thumbsup:

You wish, we still won't win, unless there's some really weirdo stuff going on that I've missed. With that said, lynching Craterus isn't exactly the worst move the town can make and taking down 3 mafia dons from that position will certainly feel like a victory, atleast for me.

Lynch, lynch, lynch. :bounce: :smash:

[Caius]

- I think most promises Caius makes he does with fingers crossed - so he can say they don't count
Wrong.

[Kagemusha]

Wrong.

Are you afraid of your master?:laugh4: Did he promise you to leave you alive?

[shlin28]

You wish, we still won't win, unless there's some really weirdo stuff going on that I've missed. With that said, lynching Craterus isn't exactly the worst move the town can make and taking down 3 mafia dons from that position will certainly feel like a victory, atleast for me.

Lynch, lynch, lynch. :bounce: :smash:

I think thats a victory as well :2thumbsup:

And Caius, just vote Craterus already, its not like you will suddenly die when you vote him :no:

[Drisos]

Indeed. Have the big bosses killed after all will feel like victory. :2thumbsup: :skull:

Btw, Caius, think of it. If you lynch Craterus, how is he going to do anything? He'll be dead, ya know..:idea2:

[TruePraetorian]

Well then,

Vote: CA
Select: Craterus

Good game all. I dont know why people keep expecting gibs and scott to turn on us...one of them is a made and i think the other is now too. So its impossible...there are all 5 of us. We kept our word, and did not kill any townies. So, thank you Caius. And people, we didnt kill EF!! Im saying it now and have said it the entire time..we did not do it.

[Craterus]

Hey, just a polite request, on behalf of the host and other players who might find it helpful:

I just wondered if you all could stop the 'Crate's a traitor/coward' for a few minutes and keep a tally.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

(Was Sasaki behind all of this? Who else can not only come up with a beautiful double-layered double-cross of both the town and four families at the same time, and execute it with military precision and discipline, AND be devious enough to convince those he betrayed or even had lynched that they should root for the people who just killed them. Sasaki was not a member of your family yet, was he, Kage? I think it is no mere coincidence that he has *ahem* joined the Cunnios now, tonight.)

:laugh4:

I'm not behind anything. The respective dons make the decisions. I teamed up with the Barzini's because I wanted to make sure the townies got weakened enough. After that it's not too big a deal what happens. Two families will team up against another, that was guaranteed by the numbers. The dons and those who can become dons are the targets, I'm neither. There's really nothing to control. If gibson and scottish had wanted to win the game yesterday they could have, by joining the barzinis. If they want to win the game today by joining the cunnios they can. If they want to win tomorrow by forming a new family and lynching craterus they can. That's all the game comes down to at this point. Only the dons are forced to win with their own family. I'm just going to sit and see what happens, and then join the winning family.

[Caius]

Tally:

Crate 2(Sasaki - shlin)
CA 1(TP)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well then,

Vote: CA
Select: Craterus

Good game all. I dont know why people keep expecting gibs and scott to turn on us...one of them is a made and i think the other is now too. So its impossible...there are all 5 of us. We kept our word, and did not kill any townies. So, thank you Caius. And people, we didnt kill EF!! Im saying it now and have said it the entire time..we did not do it.

You should have killed EF if you had the chance. I figured the town would take care of that for us.

[Caius]

I'm just going to sit and see what happens, and then join the winning family.

Do you love winning, right? Thats not good, Sasaki, if you are with the Barzinis, then stick with them. Talking about me being a traitor...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Do you love winning, right? Thats not good, Sasaki, if you are with the Barzinis, then stick with them. Talking about me being a traitor...

If there were barzini's left I would stick with them, even though I was only a member for 1 round out of 12 or so. Before that I just passed on information and tried to get townies lynched.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think everyone should band together and lynch Sasaki just to deny him victory.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think everyone should band together and lynch Sasaki just to deny him victory.

I got tincow lynched for you didn't I? Gosh, wheres the gratitude? :tongue3:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, but had you waited a round there would most likely have been the satisfaction of me personally getting him lynched.

YOU DENIED ME THAT SATISFACTION! YOU MUST PAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! :tongue:

[Caius]

I got tincow lynched for you didn't I? Gosh, wheres the gratitude? :tongue3:
Err, I lynched tincow with that last minute votechagne.

[Sigurd]

Vote:Sasaki

[scottishranger]

Vote: CA
Select:Craterus

Crate 2(Sasaki - shlin)
CA 2(TP, Scott)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote

Scottish and gibson, you disappoint me, but so be it :bow:

[Caius]

Im dissapointed with the living mafia. I thought they were like Andres described them, but I find a bunch of scared people who will join forces, forgetting their own families to join the winning people...so they can be seen as winners, but they are cowards in the very deep.

If I were mafia I would be revenging those who planed the death for my family. And the guys who killed them too. Anyway, it wont matter, you win, right?

[Makanyane]

Im dissapointed with the living mafia. I thought they were like Andres described them, but I find a bunch of scared people who will join forces, forgetting their own families to join the winning people...so they can be seen as winners, but they are cowards in the very deep.

If I were mafia I would be revenging those who planed the death for my family. And the guys who killed them too. Anyway, it wont matter, you win, right?

Thus spake the mafia betraying townie who's now voting for the remaining mafia Don as director again. Could someone go back through the thread and try and work out which side Caius thinks he should be on.... I suspect he's been on so many he can't remember himself now :laugh4:

*hint* if Seamus asks you who you are signed up for I don't think you can just say "the winning side"

EDIT: oops I missed a few layers of description, townie betraying, mafia betraying townie who's now voting for the remaining mafia Don as director again.

[Kagemusha]

This was my last game of mafia. When i loose my temper over an game in internet. Like i did in the chat few minutes a go.Its not good anymore. I apologize if i have insulted someone.Thanks for this epic everybody.And fun games to the people who can stomach these games of deception, it seems i cant so its better for me to quit playing these.Thanks.:bow:

[TinCow]

From the way I read the rules, it's easy for Craterus to deal with the driftwood who contributed little to their victory, but who may be useful in the last turn or two. Dons have to approve a person's inclusion in the family. Craterus can simply refuse to send that PM to Seamus, going so far as to fake one to the necessary people if they ask for it. If the Cunnio win, they should get the credit for themselves, not share it with people who shift sides every turn simply for bonus points. People like TP deserve massive credit for their work in this game and it would be unfair to give an equal amount of credit to those who have been Cunnio for 1 to 2 turns.

Craterus: Do your loyal family members a favor and reserve the winning points for them, even if you have to lie to the others in order to do so.