Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Vote: Tran

Clearly Straachi, due to previous evidence, but not as high profile as Dutch_guy. String him up and the Stracchi no longer have enough members to kill.

Capo Tally (2001)
Dutch Guy- 3 (Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir)
Tran-2 (Haudegen, TinCow)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 2 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -2 (Myrddraal, Craterus)

[Myrddraal]

Duh, a protection group protected her...

It looks to me like she was protected by both a protection group and an individual.

EDIT: Tincow got there first.


EDIT 2: Can someone voting Tran do me a massive favour and summarise the evidence against him for me. I thought it was pretty clear that Louis substituted Tran for Andres in the Straachi family reveal he did, and there was actually no evidence against him. In fact that's my main reason for voting Louis.

[Caius]

Vote:Tran

I believe he is a Don.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote: Tran

Let's hang them together.

EDIT:
Capo Tally (2002)
Dutch Guy- 3 (Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir)
Tran-4 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 2 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -2 (Myrddraal, Craterus)

CR

[shlin28]

I voted Dutch Guy too...

[Haudegen]

Can someone voting Tran do me a massive favour and summarise the evidence against him for me. I thought it was pretty clear that Louis substituted Tran for Andres in the Straachi family reveal he did, and there was actually no evidence against him. In fact that's my main reason for voting Louis.

From the Stracci hideout:


Omanes 60

11-02-2008 20:18 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 11:16 Sorry - I missed out a key part - I meant Andres' "B" plan. Dutch_guy and Andres team up to kill GH, while Tran and Louis gang together to remove Pannonion.Although leaving me unprotected does increase my vulnerability, my PM states that I am fairly lucky when it comes to attacks compared to other players. I also think that two kills probably would be of a higher value than two investigations now recruitment isn't too critical.Andres, didn't you say that you thought that BKS was a wise guy? If so, you may wish to contact him. Do it as discreetly as possible though to avoid him causing too much damage should you be wrong.On another note, who to investigate? I was thinking of using the results to detect people to murder now rather than individuals to recruit. I say we look into Beefy187 and later taka. I am inclined to think they both are Dons, so if they turn up innocent we will have probably know this is the case.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I think it's quite clear that you were lying about Tran Louis, since it turns out (by your own admission) that Andres was the other Made of the Stracchi family

Yet you insist on continuing to lie, even after you've supposedly come clean about Andres.

Huh? ~:confused:

There is no other made. I never said there were.
Currently, not even the Stracchi's are claiming this anymore. They have resigned themselves to their fate it seems. For well over a day now, even the Stracchi's have admitted to:

Don - Omanes
Dutch - Luca
Andres - Made
Tran - wiseguy
(Louis - wiseguy infiltrant)

All the dealing of the Stracchi family can be found here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1834038&postcount=1726).
We could've had a double or triple lynch yesterday. Instead, the Stracchi's managed to overwhelm the lynch discussion with flood posting and ever changing disinformation. This caused two of them to escape the rope and - possibly - commit murder last night. I would rather we hang the last two of them today.

Edit: Plus Sasaki's made.
Edit 2: Thanks, Haudegen. That is the evidence against Tran indeed.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I voted Dutch Guy too...

Dutch Guy- 4 (Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir, shlin28)
Tran-4 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 2 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -2 (Myrddraal, Craterus)

Corrected. Come on people, let's get those votes up!

CR

[Myrddraal]

Ok, I'm convinced for now. I didn't realise that 'there was no other made'. I'll have to go back over the material sometime and check it all adds up, but for now I'll believe it. However, Louis, you still lied (to the town). You're high on my list still.

Unvote: Louis

Vote: Tran

[scottishranger]

Vote: Dutch_Guy

keepin it even

Dutch Guy- 5 (Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-5 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myddrall)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 2 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -1 ( Craterus)

[Charge]

So can we vote out Sasaki's made? :D

vote: present for now

[Kagemusha]

People should not also forget Xdeathfire and scottishranger. These two are guilty murderers and should be lynched asap. vote: Xdeathfire

[LittleGrizzly]

vote: Xdeathfire

may as well get him caught up with dutch guy

[Sigurd]

Vote:Dutch_guy

Let's put some votes on these Stracci.

[scottishranger]

Even though Xdeathfire has not done anything for the past two nights and I have been in protection groups? Is that such a good reason?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Triple lynch must be possible with some co-ordination. :knight:

Why don't we stop at ten each for Dutch, Tran and XDeatfire, and then simply vote: present after that? Would that work?
Whomever botches it up = teh hang tomorrow?

Vote: XDeathfire

Dutch Guy- 6 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-5 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myddrall)
XDeathfire - 3 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 2 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Louis -1 ( Craterus)

[Kagemusha]

Even though Xdeathfire has not done anything for the past two nights and I have been in protection groups? Is that such a good reason?

And you should be trusted, because you say that you have been behaving? Or should we wait until the final rounds to lynch you? You chose to start killing and you should pay the prize. I dont see the need to risk that you will join with mafia at some point, or that you are actually working for them already.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Vote:Tran

I believe he is a Don.Is it just me, or is that post fairly abstract considering the direction the evidence against Tran points.

Might I ask where do you get the idea that Tran is a Don Caius? Tran is a pro-mafia Wise Guy, I won't deny it, and yes, he has killed for the benefit of the Stracchi family.

I'm curious as to the identity of Sasaki's Made though and I'm fairly surprised he's managed to get away with it thus far.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Let's try to stick to the double lynch. Triples never work that well (or at all so far). And Dutch and Tran could just vote xdeathfire at the last minute.

CR

[Proletariat]

Vote: Tran


Dutch Guy- 6 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-6 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myddrall, Prole)
XDeathfire - 3 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 2 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Louis -1 ( Craterus)

[Louis VI the Fat]

:balloon2: :balloon: :balloon3: :balloon2: :balloon: :balloon3: :rifle:

Don Corleone = Craterus.

[shlin28]

How do you know?

[TruePraetorian]

Why isnt loius dead??

Didnt he betray the town and the mafia? Why has no one attempted to lynch him?

Vote:Loius

edit:typo

edit edit: Oh One person did

[Lt. Pinard]

Vote: Tran



Dutch Guy- 6 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-7 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myddrall, Prole, Lt.Pinard)
XDeathfire - 3 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 2 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)

[Ferret]

unvote: Sasaki
vote:XDeathfire

because of what the dead monkey person said (about sasaki being a townie)

[Craterus]

Don Corleone = Craterus.

Aw, because I'm the only one with a vote on you still?
I was going to change my vote based on this idea that you've done the town a service by outing one family but now you're just making things up. ~:rolleyes:

[ajaxfetish]

People are missing my vote for Dutch Guy as well.

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CapoTally as of post #2026

Dutch Guy- 7 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-7 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myddrall, Prole, Lt.Pinard)
XDeathfire - 4 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)

Not Voting: 28

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Ajax

Also, interesting that Omanes has confirmed Tran's association with the Stracchi's. Earlier Andres denied it and said their wiseguy would remain unnamed since he could still choose to go pro-town. For now I'll follow the weight of evidence (Louis + Omanes over Andres' word alone).

Ajax

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Vote: XDeathfire

[Crazed Rabbit]

Don Corleone = Craterus.

Well, Louis did reveal a Don to us before.

Plus, isn't Tosa Dutch? Isn't the Don communicating through him Don Corleone? Are you Dutch, Craterus? It seems like Tosa wouldn't do this for just anyone.

unvote: tran

vote: Craterus


I was going to change my vote based on this idea that you've done the town a service by outing one family but now you're just making things up.

He hasn't done the town any more of a service than he had done by this morning. So why did you vote for him then? :inquisitive:

EDIT (updated):
Dutch Guy- 7 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ajax)
Tran-6 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myddrall, Prole, Lt.Pinard)
XDeathfire - 5 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM )
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Craterus - 1 (Rabbit)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:xdeathfire

just remember what I said about kukri.

Dutch Guy- 7 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-7 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myddrall, Prole, Lt.Pinard)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret,emfm,sasaki)
Craterus - 1(Crazed Rabbit)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Who's your made, Sasaki?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I can't say and I can't say why I can't say, sorry. You'll have to figure out who they are and lynch them on your own.

I think it should be pretty clear I'm innocent.

[ajaxfetish]

Aaarggh! Keep track of the tally, people!

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CapoTally as of post #2031

Dutch Guy- 7 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-6 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myddrall, Prole, Lt.Pinard)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sasaki)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)

Present-1 (Charge)

Not Voting: 25

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Ajax

Updated to include EMFM's vote and CR's unvote, and Charge's 'present.' On a positive note, a full half of the living players have participated already today ~:)

[Haudegen]

5. investig & other results sent. Promotions if any wait til later. Ciao!


Already received your promotion, Louis?

Anyway, now that I´ve got your attention. What´s your case against Craterus?

[Craterus]

Well, Louis did reveal a Don to us before.

Plus, isn't Tosa Dutch? Isn't the Don communicating through him Don Corleone? Are you Dutch, Craterus? It seems like Tosa wouldn't do this for just anyone.

unvote: tran

vote: Craterus



He hasn't done the town any more of a service than he had done by this morning. So why did you vote for him then? :inquisitive:

Dutch Guy- 6 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott)
Tran-6 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myddrall, Prole, Lt.Pinard)
XDeathfire - 4 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret )
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Craterus - 1 (Rabbit)

Ok.

1. Louis' last big reveal (the Stracchi family) had a little bit more info than a simple unfounded accusation.
2. No, I'm not Dutch. However, I don't think Don Corleone is a Dutch member, most of them seem to be dead and I think Tosa probably would copy and paste a post for anyone. Doesn't seem the kind of guy to hold a grudge.
3. I explained why I voted for Louis (Malicious intent, he was planning to become Don Stracchi, who knows what he's planning now?). I thought I'd change my vote this afternoon because it's not worth anything at the moment. May as well be voting for one of the main candidates.

Personally, I think he's trying to get a few more brownie points and then he'll be safe for at least 3 days. I mean, after you lynch the remaining Stracchi's, Louis is a forerunner for the lynching. However, if it looks like he's still getting useful information, he's less of a candidate.

[shlin28]

Already received your promotion, Louis?


Louis has not recieved his promotion (yet), he was busy doing something else last night phase.

[Sigurd]

Let's not vote Xdeath... It would be easy to just slip a few votes on Xdeath just before the deadline.
I say concentrate on Tran and Dutch... that way we will be sure the Stracci are crippled.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Then who else in this game is dutch? Besides Dutch_guy, of course? It seems that it our best lead.

So who in this game is from the Netherlands?

CR

[shlin28]

Andres, The Stranger and Moros I think.

[Dutch_guy]

Hmmm. Not looking good. Vote: Dutch_Guy.

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CapoTally as of this post.

Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-6 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myddrall, Prole, Lt.Pinard)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sasaki)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)

Present-1 (Charge)

Not Voting: 24

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It seems that it our best lead.

Yes, this is all some sort of Dutch conspiracy. Really, if that's your best lead then you'd best all leave Fatlington right now.

:balloon2:

[seireikhaan]

:inquisitive:

Folks, why are we so willing to take the bait laid by Loius? I've got a few questions about this 'reveal'. First, why wait so long into the round? Second, how on earth would any mafioso actually trust Loius enough to reveal name to him, after what he did earlier? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. C'mon people, lets keep our eyes on the prize and get Tran and Dutch_Guy for now.

[Charge]

unvote: present
vote: Tran

Tally 2042
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-7 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sasaki)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -2 ( Craterus, TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)


Not Voting: 24

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:tran

Tied. But with dutch voting himself we'll have to be really watchful come deadline time, he could unvote easily.

[Craterus]

Right. unvote, vote: Xdeathfire

May as well keep him up there, might end up getting lucky and lynching all three.

Capo Tally 2044
Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-8 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki)
XDeathfire - 6 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)


Not Voting: 24


Hope that's right.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It might not be a Dutch person that got Tosa to do it. Who else has easy access to him?

.Org staff.

Think on it.

Personally, I'm looking at all the times when Kukrikhan was reacting to Tosa's posts when he seemed to be the only one doing so. As if trying to call extra attention to it.

[Craterus]

This is a non-lead as far as I'm concerned. Tosa would probably post for anyone if they asked nicely and I imagine he's been picked because he's so neutral.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Craterus isn't Dutch. :wall:

Oops, Craterus shows up as having 30 posts in the 'Talk your own Language Thread' in the Frontroom. Otherwise known, as the Dutch-speakers thread.

Okay, here is what is going on. Some of you veterans may remember the episode from Capo I. A non-player posted a message on behalf of a player in the thread. I analysed this message, with the help of some stuff and background knowledge. The message was correctly established to have been written by a native Dutch / Flemish speaker.

A Dutch / Flemish conspiracy was uncovered, and this led to the downfall of Don Kralizec (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1392210#post1392210) in Capo I.

In similar fashoin, TosaInu's message on behalf of Don corleone was analysed. Again, the author is with a high probability Dutch / Flemish. Now, I think we can safely assume that the message wasn't written by Tosa, or tampered by him a lot. So, again, the sender of the message is, with a high probability, Dutch / Flemish.

We looked for surviving Dutch speakers. None, except for Dutch_Guy and Craterus we presumed. Alas, Craterus is not Dutch, as it turned out.

Nonetheless, what we are looking for is a native Dutch /Flemish speaker as the sender of TosaInu's 'Don Corleone' messages. Can the Dutch / Belgian crowd here help us name all of those from the list of players?

Tosa1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832144&postcount=1425)
Tosa2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1833142&postcount=1675)

Thanks.

ajaxfetish
Alexander the Pretty Good
Andres
Beefy187
Big King Sanctaphrax
Brave Sir Robin
Caeser the III
Caius
Charge
Chimpyang
CountArach
Cowhead418
Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
Draco Leman
Drisos
Dutch guy
Elite Ferret
Evil_Maniac from Mars
FactionHeir
Fahad I
GeneralHankerchief
gibsonsg91921
Glenn
Hannibalbarc
Haudegen
Hiji
Husar
Ichigo
Ironside
JimBob
Joe Monks
johnhughthom
Jubal_Barca
Kagemusha
KamiKhaan
Killfr3nzy
Kommodus
KukriKhan
Leet Erikson
LittleGrizzly
Lord Winter
Louis VI the Fat
Lt. Pinard
Makanyane
molonthegreat
Moros
Motep
Myrrdraal
Northnovas
norwegian nerd
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Pannonian
pevergreen
Proletariat
Roadkill
Rob_the_Celt
Rythmic
sapi
Sarathos
Sasaki Kojiro
scottishranger
shlin28
Sigurd Fafnesbane
taka
The Stranger
Tiberius of the Drake
TinCow
Tran
TruePraetorian
Twilightblade
Warluster
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs
x-dANGEr
Xdeathfire
Xehh II
Xiahou
Zorg


Also, two other possibilities come to mind:
- a dead Flemish / Dutch player wrote the message on behalf of somebody else
- the Flemish / Dutch author posed as Don Corleone, but is in reality another player trying to get a mafia don gathering together.

[Craterus]

Funny, I didn't see an apology in there anywhere :saint:
Wow, 30 posts, some were before it was the "Talk Dutch thread" though.
As for Dutch members: Andres, Drisos, Dutch_guy, Moros and The Stranger. Maybe taka (I don't know where he's from)? But I don't think anyone else is Dutch.

That's it, I think.

[CountArach]

Going for the triple lynch:

Vote: XDeathFire

Dutch Guy- 8 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch)
Tran-8 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)


Not Voting: 23

prole - you still haven't explained how you remained alive. Why was someone who is clearly a great fighter protecting you? What is it you know?

[Louis VI the Fat]

My apologies, Craterus. :bow:

Of course, you should be hanged just for hanging out with the Dutch in the Talk your own Language thread. :whip:

Okay, Dutchies, fetch up. Who wrote it? Was it you, Drisos? Was it Andres or Dutch_Guy - Stracchis posing as Don Corleone? The Stranger? Somebody else?

[Dutch_guy]

My apologies, Craterus. :bow:

Of course, you should be hanged just for hanging out with the Dutch in the Talk your own Language thread. :whip:

Okay, Dutchies, fetch up. Who wrote it? Was it you, Drisos? Was it Andres or Dutch_Guy - Stracchis posing as Don Corleone? The Stranger? Somebody else?

It's by no means guaranteerd that a Dutch member contacted Tosa, he speaks English you know.

And for the record, it wasn't us.

:balloon2:

[Proletariat]

prole - you still haven't explained how you remained alive. Why was someone who is clearly a great fighter protecting you? What is it you know?

Prolly after the previous night where I was attacked twice, the protectors realized they might get to be doctors or surgeons quicker by protecting me. I'm a popular mafia target, it seems. To be honest, I don't even know who exactly is protecting me, only one of them and of course I'm not gonna mention that person's name here. For the folks who think it's a Luca that protects me, reread last night's failed attempt on me. It certainly doesn't read that way and I can't really make sense of it either. Looks like a vig kill group and a protection group.

[TevashSzat]

Guys I do admit that I am a wiseguy, but I've only killed once and thats with Zorg the second night. If you guys remember correctly, the reason why Zorg's group didn't kill the third night was because I didn't send in orders. As for these past nights, I have just been in some protection groups.

Why are you guys voting for me, "neutral" when you guys have confirmed mafia members already? All you guys are doing when going for a triple lynch is make it more likely that a mafia member will switch their vote right before a deadline and have me lynched instead of the known mafia members.

If you guys haven't noticed, we have only gotten one double lynch when we have tried to have done it more than once. It's simply, double and triple lynchings simply doesn't work with so many mafia families.

As for my vote, Vote: dutch_guy its time we got KNOWN mafias dead before going for random people.

[Csargo]

Vote:Tran

Dutch Guy- 9 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath)
Tran-9 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)


Not Voting: 23

[Drisos]

My advice, as dead, confirmed pro-town:

* Leave Louis, Sasaki, and Myrddraal alive, for now at least.

* Lynch xdeathfire, tran and dutch_guy this day. Be careful that one of them doesn't mess up the tally!

* Lynch Kukri a.s.a.p.! haven't read last half page, but before then, it was pretty 99% obvious he is guilty?

* Do NOT listen to Andres. He wants mafia to win. Again, do not listen to him, don't follow any advice of him!!

I ought to clarify, I have nothing to do with the Tosa messages. What are you cooking up this time? Why does it have to be dutch? Anyways, Moros isn't dutch, he's belgian. apart from him, me, andres, ts, and dutch_guy, I know no dutch in this game.

** If there's any wisguy in the position Louis was in... be a hero and be pro-town. Betray your family, sell them out in public. It will help. Do it as a last good deed, it really helps town so you might actually undo the damage to your conscience. remember, you're only a minor role in the game.. do some good for all the good guys, instead of only for yourself, since you won't live till the end anyway, probably..

ok, was that convincing? :P

hehe, I mean, it'd just be cool if more families were revealed publicly... cross-kills, obvious lynches, townspeople-paradise! :yes: :book:

edit: dutch_guy still has a vote on himself, which he can easily use to mess up tally! beware! keep a close eye on the thread if you can!

btw, xdeathfire may be quite right.. double and triple lynching isn't really going to work, perhaps.. get at least dutch_guy and kurki lynched soon..

[KukriKhan]

Vote: DutchGuy. In case he drops his vote at the last minute.

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-9 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Craterus-1 (CR)


Not Voting: 22

need another Tran

[Crazed Rabbit]

unvote: Craterus

vote: tran

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 7 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)

[Louis VI the Fat]

It's by no means guaranteerd that a Dutch member contacted Tosa, he speaks English you know.Actually, I am quite positive it was a Dutch / Flemish player. It is as clear as a text from Seamus being American and one from Pannonian being British. Native language shows itself always.

I see four options:
Tosa wrote it himself.
A Dutch speaker is the author, and is Don Corleone.
A Dutch speaker is the author, and posed as Don Corleone.
A Dutch speaker is the author, and wrote it on behalf / in the name of Don Corleone

I am absolutely serious about all this, in case anybody doubts it. And I have good hope that the author is indeed DC, or at the very least a mafioso from DC's entourage. Find us the Dutch / Flemish members and we've got a balloon member. Possibly, the don himself. What of all the semi-unknown members? Any Dutch, Belgians in there that anybody knows of?

Tosa1 was written after n3, on d4. Players:
2. Here’s a Full list of players to date:

Still Alive: (68) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Andres, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, Chimpyang, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, Fahad I, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KamiKhaan, Killfr3nzy, Kommodus, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, molonthegreat, Moros, Motep, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, Rythmic, sapi, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, woad&fangs, x-dANGEr, Xdeathfire, Xehh II, Xiahou.

Attacked: (12) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Caius (N3), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Xdeathfire (N1), taka (N2), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Cowhead418 (N2)

Murdered: (8) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3)

Lynched: (3) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3)
Tosa2 was written after summary for d4, before n5

Still Alive: (64) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Andres, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, Chimpyang, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KamiKhaan, Kommodus, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, molonthegreat, Moros, Motep, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, , Proletariat, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, Rythmic, sapi, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, woad&fangs, Xdeathfire, Xehh II, Xiahou.

Attacked: (12) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Caius (N3), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Xdeathfire (N1), taka (N2), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Cowhead418 (N2)

Murdered: (8) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3)

Lynched: (4) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4)

Removed from Play: (3) Fahad I, Killfr3nzy, x-dANGEr

Edit: if you are Chinese, Farsi or Swahili speaking, you can hide it from me. If you are are Latin / Germanic speaking, I will find out. ~;)

[John86]

Vote: XDeathfire

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 8 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)

[Caius]

Vote: XDeathfire

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 8 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)
Thats all you have to say?

[John86]

Thats all you have to say?
Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?

[Caius]

Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?
I mean, dont you have anything to share with us. You come, vote, and then lurk again. :inquisitive:

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Moros I think.

Isn't he Belgian?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Yes? I thought we were trying for a triple lynch?

Dutch_guy and Tran are the priority. Too many lynchees and they'll just swing the vote. xdeathfire should remain 2 votes below DG and Tran, I think.

He's small fry compared to finishing off the staccis.

EDIT: Moros is dead.

CR

[Sarathos]

Vote:Xdeathfire
A three way tie could prove useful.

[Twilightblade]

Vote: Abstain

A three way tie is interesting but I want to know who keeps trying to kill me

[Sarathos]

I want to know who keeps trying to kill me

Perhaps some angry town people...?

[Crazed Rabbit]

A Three Way Tie Is Not Useful

One of the votes on Dutch Guy is from Dutch guy. At the last minute he and tran could switch their votes to xdeathfire, who'd be three votes ahead then.

Finishing off the staccis is priority #1.

Always update the tally, please.

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 9 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sarathos, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)

[Sarathos]

CR chill out, its not a 3-way anyway. But how do we know that Xdeathfire isn't part of their family?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Rule 1: Do not talk about Project ######.
Rule 2: Do not talk about Project ######. Nothing stays a secret for very long in Capo. :laugh4:

I've already found a leak in your plan. ~;p

Don't worry though. I am pro-town just like you. Even if you-know-who doesn't seem to think so. ~;)

[Craterus]

Voting is still open for another 12 hours. There's no need to start panicking yet. However, the time will be 3pm in the Netherlands when voting ends so Dutch_guy won't have much trouble changing his vote (as opposed to it being in the middle of the night).

Hopefully a few people will be online then anyway.

[norwegian nerd]

Vote: Xdeathfire

[Pannonian]

Now there's a name I haven't seen for a while. How's your buddy, norwegian? How many people have you two killed so far?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Maybe Dutch wants to commit suicide? I don't think the game is much fun anymore in his situation.

Dutch, if you read this, can we make a deal that you won't unvote yourself? Have a triple lynch, so the other families won't win either and you all lose to the town?

[Csargo]

...

[Sarathos]

I would just like to point out a minor error. I appear twice in this tally:

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 9 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Sarathos, Craterus, CA)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)

Considering my vote was placed on Dutch_guy first, my vote for Xdeathfire doesn't count.

Correct Tally
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 9 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd)
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis -1 (TruePraetorian)

[Twilightblade]

Didn't I abstain? or are you not putting abstains on the tally?

[Tratorix]

Vote:abstain This game is getting real complicated. :dizzy2:

[TruePraetorian]

unvote:loius
vote: Xdeath
Well if no one else thinks he is scummy...there is no use in wasting a vote...maybe im wrong who knows.

The votes are even now..

Correct Tally
Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 10 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)

[Northnovas]

Well I think he is and will continue my vote pattern and not mess up the race.

Vote: Louis

Correct Tally

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 10 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1

[JimBob]

FOUR people unvote xdeath. If Dutch and Tran change at the last he'll need to be four back to keep the tie. If not, he's a lower priority lynch than the other two.

[Sarathos]

What is the case against Xdeath anyway?

[Joe Monks]

Vote:Abstain

Got too much work to do cant read thread

Joe

[Andres]

1) I'm not Dutch, I'm Belgian. B-E-L-G-I-A-N. Anyone calling me Dutch or "from the Netherlands" will be banned from the Gameroom forever :brood:
2) I think Louis is secretly Dutch :inquisitive:
3) Learn how to count! Gah :no:

Correct Tally

Dutch Guy- 14 (Sigurd, Husar, King Albert II, Handsome Andres, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri, Louis VI, Mouzaphaerre)
Tran-14 (Jesus Christ, Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Big Queen Sanctaphrax, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo, discovery1, Drisos)
XDeathfire - 12 (Kagemusha,Hiji, Zeus, Louis V the Slim, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, Athena, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1

[Csargo]

1) I'm not Dutch, I'm Belgian. B-E-L-G-I-A-N. Anyone calling me Dutch or "from the Netherlands" will be banned from the Gameroom forever :brood:
2) I think Louis is secretly Dutch :inquisitive:
3) Learn how to count! Gah :no:

Correct Tally

Dutch Guy- 14 (Sigurd, Husar, King Albert II, Handsome Andres, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri, Louis VI, Mouzaphaerre)
Tran-14 (Jesus Christ, Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Big Queen Sanctaphrax, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo, discovery1, Drisos)
XDeathfire - 12 (Kagemusha,Hiji, Zeus, Louis V the Slim, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, Athena, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1

:inquisitive:

I'm curious as to who this Jesus Christ is and why he voted for Tran.

[Andres]

Don't ask me. His ways are mysterious :shrug:

[Csargo]

Don't ask me. His ways are mysterious :shrug:

Well I looked at the list of players and there is no Jesus_Christ on the list. So Tran has 13 votes.

Dutch Guy- 14 (Sigurd, Husar, King Albert II, Handsome Andres, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri, Louis VI, Mouzaphaerre)
Tran-13 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Big Queen Sanctaphrax, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo, discovery1, Drisos)
XDeathfire - 12 (Kagemusha,Hiji, Zeus, Louis V the Slim, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, Athena, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1

[Sarathos]

Dutch Guy- 14 (Sigurd, Husar, King Albert II, Handsome Andres, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri, Louis VI, Mouzaphaerre)
Tran-14 (Jesus Christ, Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Big Queen Sanctaphrax, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo, discovery1, Drisos)
XDeathfire - 12 (Kagemusha,Hiji, Zeus, Louis V the Slim, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, Athena, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1

Just a few things wrong here;
1. Andres, you are dead
2. Drisos is dead
3. King Albert II, Jesus, Zesus, Athena and Louis Vthe Slim aren't playing
4. Louis IV didn't vote Dutch_Guy, he voted Xdeath
5. Big King Sanctaphrax hasn't voted yet
6. discovery1 and Mouzaphaerre aren't playing

What are you trying to do Andres...?

[Csargo]

Just a few things wrong here;
1. Andres, you are dead
2. Drisos is dead
3. King Albert II, Jesus, Zesus, Athena and Louis Vthe Slim aren't playing
4. Louis IV didn't vote Dutch_Guy, he voted Xdeath
5. Big King Sanctaphrax hasn't voted yet
6. discovery1 and Mouzaphaerre aren't playing

What are you trying to do Andres...?

Holy crap I missed all that stuff. He's obviously trying to muck up the double lynch.

[Andres]

It was worth a try...

Back to my coffin now.

:creep:

[Csargo]

It was worth a try...

Back to my coffin now.

:creep:

Hey, you there, the extremely slow walker. What are doin round these parts? :mean:

[Myrddraal]

Also, maggots and decay are making quick work of your 'handsome' features. Time to nail that coffin lid shut I think.

[Sigurd]

Correct Tally

Dutch Guy- 14 (Sigurd, Husar, King Albert II, Handsome Andres, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch, Xdeath, Kukri, Louis VI, Mouzaphaerre)
Tran-14 (Jesus Christ, Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Big Queen Sanctaphrax, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo, discovery1, Drisos)
XDeathfire - 12 (Kagemusha, Hiji, Zeus, Louis V the Slim, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, Athena, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1

:laugh4:

That was actually a very funny read... You get the joker award in Capo II.

[Sigurd]

What are the correct tally anyway?

(removed Andres suspicious players) edit: added Louis.
Dutch Guy - 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran - 10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 10 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis - 1 (Northnovas)

[Drisos]

Correct Tally

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, Dutch,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 10 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

Again, do not trust anything Andres sais..

Btw, I'm not updating my suspects list.. but either way, Norwegian Nerd and TruePraetorian are still on there. Both made some mistakes early on... remember?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Scumbag Andres.

ANYONE WHO CHANGES THEIR VOTE FROM NOW ON WILL BE CONSIDERED MAFIA.

Crazed Rabbit

[GeneralHankerchief]

Are we absolutely certain that we have the correct tally?

[Dutch_guy]

Unvote: Dutch_Guy.

Vote: XDeathfire


Correct Tally

Dutch Guy- 9 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-10 (Haudegen, TinCow, Rabbit, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 11 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian,Dutch))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

:balloon2:

[Crazed Rabbit]

unvote: tran
vote: Dutch guy

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Rabbit, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-9 (Haudegen, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 11 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian,Dutch))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

[Haudegen]

unvote: tran
vote: dutch guy

[Crazed Rabbit]

Dutch Guy- 11 (Sigurd, Haudegen, Husar, Rabbit, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-8 (, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 11 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian,Dutch))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

EDIT: Very Nice Haudegen!

[Dutch_guy]

Impressive,

Unvote XDeathfire

Vote Dutch_guy.

Dutch Guy- 12 (Dutch,Sigurd, Haudegen, Husar, Rabbit, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri)
Tran-8 (, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 10 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian,))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

Sorry for this Seamus.

:balloon2:

[Crazed Rabbit]

And that's a wrap.

If we could get our favorite hand-cannon vigilante to take care of tran, that'd be super. Of course the people who voted xdeathfire at the end to tie it up will be examined.

CR

[Haudegen]

unvote: dutch guy
vote: xdeathfire

[Crazed Rabbit]

unvote dutch guy
vote xdeathfire

if you allow Dutch's vote...

[Crazed Rabbit]

unvote xdeathfire

vote dutch guy

[Dutch_guy]

I think at one point we're going to have to draw the line with all the vote changing, it's still a game you know.

Let Seamus decide where to end it.

:balloon2:

[Haudegen]

Ok, Dutch_guy, lets stop this nonsense.

CR, :2thumbsup:

[Myrddraal]

Ok, assuming CR's last tally is correct we have:

Dutch Guy- 10 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri, Dutch_Guy)
Tran-8 (, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 12 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Hiji, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian, Haudegen, Rabbit))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

Which is not what we want right? We want to lynch Dutch Guy?

So:

Unvote: Tran

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Latest Tally:


Dutch Guy- 11 (Sigurd, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri, Dutch_Guy, Myrddraal)
Tran-7 (, TinCow, Caius, Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 12 (Louis VI, Kagemusha, Hiji, Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian, Haudegen, Rabbit))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)


Please tell me if I'm doing the right thing.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Myrd, NO!

Dutch Guy- 12 (Dutch,Sigurd, , Husar, Rabbit, Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri, Myrd)
Tran-7 (, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, Haudegen ,Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 11 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian,))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

[Dutch_guy]

Please tell me if I'm doing the right thing.

Spot on :2thumbsup:

:balloon2:

[Crazed Rabbit]

unvote: dutch guy

EDIT:
Dutch Guy- 11 (Dutch,Sigurd,, Husar, , Sarathos, ajaxfetish, Faction Heir, shlin28, scott, ,Xdeath, Kukri, Myrd)
Tran-7 (, TinCow, Caius, Myrddraal, ,Prole, Lt.Pinard, Charge, Sasaki, Ichigo)
XDeathfire - 11 (Louis VI, Kagemusha,Hiji Little Grizzly, Elite Ferret, Haudegen ,EMFM, Craterus, CA, norwegian nerd, TruePraetorian,))
Sasaki - 1 (Mak)
Louis- 1 (Northnovas)

[TinCow]

Guys, this is pointless. The time limit expired 15 minutes ago. According to the date stamp on the posts, Dutch and Xdeathfire were tied at 11 votes each when it passed.

[Haudegen]

myrd, nevermind

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ok, I'm stopping.

Good work Haudegen! Now if you excuse me, I'm going back to sleep.
:sleep: :snore:

CR

[Haudegen]

Guys, this is pointless. The time limit expired 15 minutes ago. According to the date stamp on the posts, Dutch and Xdeathfire were tied at 11 votes each when it passed.

I´d be quite happy if we all could agree to this. BUT as far as I remember in the last days votes were usually counted until Seamus declared the end of the phase.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting is concluded for Day 6.

I will determine the cutoff time. My usual practice is to accept posts for 1-5 minutes after the stated deadline in order to account for posts trying to crowd through at the deadline. However, I will make that call.

Write-up will be presented as soon as reasonably possible. Night PMs accepted once write up is in place.

[Cowhead418]

No! I just got back from vacation and just missed the deadline.:wall: I would Vote: Present, because it looks like we got the tie we wanted, but will it count?

[Sigurd]

The norm in other games has always been... the votes are counted until the narrator concludes the voting phase with a post declaring it so.

Nice to see people choosing Xdeath over Tran :stare:

[Myrddraal]

Ok, so it seems I screwed up :shame: but luckily it shouldn't count.

Sorry about that...

[Haudegen]

The norm in other games has always been... the votes are counted until the narrator concludes the voting phase with a post declaring it so.

Nice to see people choosing Xdeath over Tran :stare:

Actually we didn´t have a choice. CR and me had placed our votes on Tran, before Dutch guy started messing with the balance. We tried our best to achieve at least a double lynch.

[Sigurd]

Actually we didn´t have a choice. CR and me had placed our votes on Tran, before Dutch guy started messing with the balance. We tried our best to achieve at least a double lynch.

Well... it seems Dutch and the Stracci wanted Tran to survive.
And this hadn't been a problem if we had concentrated on Dutch and Tran like someone suggested a bit earlier. :whip:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well... it seems Dutch and the Stracci wanted Tran to survive.

No, they wanted xdeathfire to die. Tran only survived because me and Huadegen had our votes on him and the primary target was DG.


And this hadn't been a problem if we had concentrated on Dutch and Tran like someone suggested a bit earlier.

Like me, multiple times?

CR

[Craterus]

So what was the vote count at 1405 GMT?

EDIT: P.S. You sneaky, sneaky Dutch_guy ~;)

[Dutch_guy]

Now if you excuse me, I'm going back to sleep.


Wait, you stayed up just for the voting ? That's just as funny as it is suspicious :beam:


No, they wanted xdeathfire to die.

They (basically meaning 'I') wanted me to survive :2thumbsup:


EDIT: P.S. You sneaky, sneaky Dutch_guy

My original plan was to vote one minute before the deadline. It turned out to be seven, in case Seamus would end it earlier than I suspected, but it seems even that wasn't enough.

Strange, as I expected people either to be working (or sleping, CR !) during the day ?

:balloon2:

[Louis VI the Fat]

You did the best you could, Haudegen and CR, and Myrddraal. Thanks. I'm currently at a complete loss as to the final tally. Guess we'll soon find out.

Pity Dutch managed to mess it up. Bah, today is the second lynch in a row the Stracchi's managed to obstruct for the town, with their constant misinformation and sabotage.

I must express a certain grudging admiration and amusement at their efforts though. Andres' 'tally' and Dutch's sense of timing are instant classics. :beam:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Wait, you stayed up just for the voting ? That's just as funny as it is suspicious

No, I woke up much earlier than I otherwise would have. Curse the GMT! Why must everything happen when we west coasters are asleep? At least it was worth it. :beam:

Andres' 'tally' was very funny as well.

CR

[Sigurd]

No, they wanted xdeathfire to die. Tran only survived because me and Huadegen had our votes on him and the primary target was DG.


Like me, multiple times?

CR

Why so defencive?

Dutch, Tran and Xdeath were all tied at 10...
Dutch unvoted and voted Xdeath to save himself and his co-mafia Tran.
CR and Haudegen voted Dutch and broke the tie Dutch and Xdeath putting Dutch in the lead.
Then Dutch voted himself again and thereby is ahead by two on Xdeath.
CR and Haudegen unvoted Dutch and put votes on Xdeath (why not Tran?)
Then CR voted Dutch to get a new tie.
Myrddraal pops in a put Dutch in the lead.
CR unvotes Dutch to tie Xdeath and Dutch up again.

Dutch could have continued the charade... but instead let it go. The one who was saved by this was Tran

[Seamus Fermanagh]

"Well where I lived
Don't make no bones
Was several feet below a stone
Far from appalled
I was enthralled
The snake that slithered learned to crawl
Through the quagmire of my mislaid plans
That backfired
I felt enlightened
My senses heightened
You called me up
To wish me luck
To let me know this business sucks
Let's change it
Let's rearrange it
So why do I get the feeling
That there's something you're concealing?"
-- Edwyn Collins


Sunset, Day Six

There hadn’t been all that much open discussion this time. The Committee had met, and a few points had been argued, but most of the members seemed to have arrived with a goal in mind. Many chose to remain in their seats and not vote. Others, from what the plethora of hushed whispers might suggest, were hoping to use one of the more obscure rules of Tosa’s “system” to repeat what had been done on the day of Hannibalbarca’s and Tiberius of the Drake’s lynching and end two lives…or more…at once.

As the count wound down to a conclusion, scrupulously witnessed by Fermanagh’s guards and -- as the recount continued -- by Fermanagh himself, the face of the Director, JimBob grew more and more visibly upset. He gathered his notes and looked at the assembled committee.

“It is the will of this committee…”

Guards positioned themselves behind Tran, Dutch_guy, and Xdeathfire.

“…that Xdeathfire be executed as a criminal against the city of Fatlington. May God have mercy on your soul. Any last words?”

Dutch_guy looked more surprised than anything else; Tran perhaps a little relieved. Xdeathfire just stood mute. He looked as though he might say something, but then thought better of it and stood silently.

“Very well, and I thank you for not regaling us with your musical talents. You will be taken to the boardwalk and there executed by firing squad. You may face your executioners or the sea at your choice. The committee will watch from here as our windows overlook the boardwalk.”

The gaurds took Xdeathfire and marched him from the room.

“Some of you might actually want to LISTEN to my advice,” said the Director. “I warned you that getting cute with the vote-counts might backfire, I even made some specific suggestions as to how we should proceed. But once the votes are in, I too am bound by hizzoner’s rules, no matter WHAT I think of the result…”

This last line had been delivered in a pointed stare at Dutch_guy, whose response was the slightest of sneers. JimBob was not the only one glaring at Dutch_guy.

“We will now bear witness to our judgement.”

Xdeathfire was escorted to the boardwalk by four of the guards. He chose the Atlantic as his final view, quietly smoking a cigarette while the squad behind him prepared. Death came before the sound reached his ears; Xdeathfire’s last view was of the darkening sea as night once more slid its shroud over Fatlington.


OOC

1. Night Six now begins. PM deadline is 0900 EST 20 Feb 08 (1400 GMT).


2. Day 6 Lynch Vote Tally

Xdeathfire = 12 (CountArach, Craterus, Dutch_guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, Hiji, Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, norwegian nerd, Sarathos, TruePraetorian)

Dutch_guy = 10 (ajaxfetish, Crazed Rabbit, FactionHeir, Haudegen, Husar, Kukrikhan, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Xdeathfire) Sara claimed in 2076?

Tran = 8 (Caius, Charge, Ichigo, Lt. Pinard, Myrddraal, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, TinCow)

Andres the Nosferatu= 0 (Elizabeth Borden, Robespierre, Louis the not quite so fat, Van Helsing)

Abstain = 3 (Brave Sir Robin, Joe Monks, Twilightblade)

Sasaki Kojiro = 1 (Makanyane)


3. Explanation Part One: All of the last second vote-changers were on line and active at the deadline. Rabbit’s edit at 0901 was a clear response to Haudegan’s at 0857. Dutch’s slightly belated post at 0903 I did not count as the tone and timing suggest it was made AFTER the 0900 deadline and did not simply arrive a few seconds late crossing the ether. Therefore, the vote count at 0900 was the final count.

4. Explanation Part Two: Having reviewed my rules, as well as the customs of the Gameroom, I am forced to list Sarathos’ vote for Xdeathfire in post #2065 as a valid vote. That post, which even noted a reason valid within the context of the then-current discussion to support that vote, was properly bolded, formatted, and never subsequently changed. Despite his own protestation that his first vote had been for Dutch_guy (see post #2076) which was correct, the Capo rules do not invalidate any vote that fails to use the “unvote” format and the customs of the Gameroom and of this game have been to accept a change of vote merely by the imposition of a properly bolded vote for a new name. Once properly listed I will count it until changed -- even if ill considered. This produces the count above.

[Sigurd]

Damnable!!!! twice!!!

[Craterus]

Oh dear. Vigilante groups on Tran and DG then, I guess...:sad:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I must express a certain grudging admiration and amusement at their efforts though. Andres' 'tally' and Dutch's sense of timing are instant classics. :beam:

I concur.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Oh, blast it.

CR

[Husar]

Damnable!!!! twice!!!
I agree. Twice. Completely.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow, so yesterday was a colossal waste of time. I think we'll have to give up on this multiple lynches thing. You guys shouldn't have put so many votes on xdeathfire though.

[Pannonian]

Why did CR and Haudegen switch the votes back from Dutch Guy though, when they knew what game he was playing? Surely DG's first switched vote should have meant the reciprocal and permanent switch of votes to DG.

[FactionHeir]

So we lynch DG and Sarathos next?

[Pannonian]

So we lynch DG and Sarathos next?
What happened to norwegian nerd and his friend?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

DG and tran are still going to have to be priority unless they die tonight.

[Haudegen]

Why so defencive?

Dutch, Tran and Xdeath were all tied at 10...
Dutch unvoted and voted Xdeath to save himself and his co-mafia Tran.
CR and Haudegen voted Dutch and broke the tie Dutch and Xdeath putting Dutch in the lead.
Then Dutch voted himself again and thereby is ahead by two on Xdeath.
CR and Haudegen unvoted Dutch and put votes on Xdeath (why not Tran?)
Then CR voted Dutch to get a new tie.
Myrddraal pops in a put Dutch in the lead.
CR unvotes Dutch to tie Xdeath and Dutch up again.

Dutch could have continued the charade... but instead let it go. The one who was saved by this was Tran

Hmm, damn you´re right. I must have made a mistake in the moment when i voted for XD in reaction to DG´s change back to himself. I have no real explanation. It was a miscalculation by me. :wall:

You see, this is what I get when I try to do my best :embarassed:

[Ferret]

You can't blame Sarathos, he couldn't have known that two of his votes would be counted, I'll be voting for any known mafia tommorrow, not someone who made a human mistake.

[Dutch_guy]

not soemone who made a human mistake.

Well, you could always try a double lynch.

While you're at it, maybe even a tripple lynch. It's bound to work if you put your mind to it :laugh4:

:balloon2:

[Ferret]

don't worry I'll just take out all my revenge on Tancred von Tyrolia, he doesn't seem to do much anyway :P

[Myrddraal]

I think a double is possible, so long as we have two people we'd really like to see lynched, and don't really mind which goes first.

However, we should lynch Dutch_Guy next for sure, if for nothing else then to stop him disrupting the voting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Attempting a double would have been fine yesterday if we hadn't put xdeathfire up so high.

[Louis VI the Fat]

But then Dutch still would've changed his vote and we'd be left with only Tran anyway. We should've been able to arrange it so that Tran and Xdeath would've both been lynched after Dutchess' sabotage.

Anyway, we have one now. If we had gone for a single lynch instead of a double or triple, it would still have been only one. It was worth a shot. However, Xdeath was lowest on my list of the three. Pity.

The Stracchi's pwned us, again. We'll still be trying to lynch them forty days from now. They are the Masters of the Universe and I should've chosen their side and
Tomorrow is another day. New round, new opportunities for lynches.

[Dutch_guy]

don't worry I'll just take out all my revenge on Tancred von Tyrolia, he doesn't seem to do much anyway :P

Touché, I guess putting you on my kill list for the coming night may not be the best of ideas :beam:

:balloon2:

[Andres]

Dutch, your timing was just brilliant :bow:

This multiple lynch thing is a wonderful town tactic :jester:

[Ferret]

what about vigilante groups? I doubt they have anypne protecting them, unless a luca can protect someone other than the don?

[Tratorix]

Touché, I guess putting you on my kill list for the coming night may not be the best of ideas

This has to be the only mafia game where someone could admit to being guilty, then still survive several rounds in spite of attempts to lynch them. :wall:

[Craterus]

what about vigilante groups? I doubt they have anypne protecting them, unless a luca can protect someone other than the don?

Is it possible that DG could be the new Stracchi Don?

[Ferret]

I'm not sure, this is my first mafia game and so I've never played as mafia, I'll have a look at the rules now on becoming a new Don, do they even have enough people left?

[Andres]

Is it possible that DG could be the new Stracchi Don?

Well, two nights have passed since Louis became a Made. If he survives this night, he'll become the new Don Stracci.

[Husar]

Well, two nights have passed since Louis became a Made. If he survives this night, he'll become the new Don Stracci.
You found a great way to make the vigilantes kill townies now, didn't you? :laugh4:

Despite that I'm not in favour of vigilante groups anyway as we will get guilty results from detectives and then lynch a lot of townies who were just vigilantes for a "good" cause. Or alternatively we will have a lot of mades saying they just made a vigilante attack on some evil mafia don. :dizzy2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hey, if anyone is going to be in a vig group you should say you are before the night is out to avoid detective confusion.

[Husar]

Hello, I'm Husar, I'm a made townie who will do some vigilante killing tonight. I will work together with xxx, yyy and zzz now and I bet one of us is a prime mafia target tonight.*


*This is a purely educational post and in no way to be taken seriously except for educational purposes.

[Northnovas]

This has to be the only mafia game where someone could admit to being guilty, then still survive several rounds in spite of attempts to lynch them. :wall:

I would say anyone we have more then one person implicated and are still in the game.:dizzy2:

[seireikhaan]

~:pissed:

Wow, what a collosal and ridiculous waste of our time. FOLKS, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT TRAN AND DUTCH GUY ARE MAFIOSI! HOW DO YOU :furious3: THIS UP SO BAD THAT NONE OF THEM GET LYNCHED!?!? I officially give up on this game.

[ajaxfetish]

It was a mistake to try and include Xdeathfire in that lynching. He wasn't definitely still anti-town, and was low priority as a loose wise guy anyway. Dutch Guy needs to die, and soon. Tran now seems definitely connected to the Stracchi's, but as a wise guy only. We let the top-priority guy off and lynched the lowest-priority one instead. Let's limit our lynching plans to just our highest threats, and only multi-lynch if there are multiple threats of roughly equal level, so if either of them gets off it'd be no worse than the other getting off.

Ajax

[Proletariat]

At this rate we'll have a better shot at lynching Dutch Guy if we bandwagon a random lurker.

:dizzy2:

[TevashSzat]

See? I knew that this wouldn't work out and you guys didn't believe me, but look, I still died anyways with Dutch and Tran still alive and probably with protection groups on them for the night.

Great job guys, really. If you guys don't kill Dutch/Tran tonight or lynch them tomorrow, shame on you all

Edit: I really don't want to go into the specifics, but guys know that there are more mafia still around than everyone may think or things may appear.

[Andres]

I really don't want to go into the specifics, but guys know that there are more mafia still around than everyone may think or things may appear.

Lies!

There is only one mafioso left in this game: Dutch_guy. There is a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y no need to focus on other mafiosi. Sasaki, Louis and Craterus are all, each single one of them I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T Dons. They won't cause the town any harm and they won't grow more and more powerful while you are focusing on the last of the mafiosi, my favourite partner in crime Dutch_guy.

The town is doing great :2thumbsup: Mid-game and only one mafioso left.

[Sarathos]

Wow, i got a double vote. I still don't know how that happened but....


The town is doing great Mid-game and only one mafioso left.
But since there is only one mafioso left, everyone will be forming vigilante groups and trying to kill that one person. This will probably lead to the rise of some new mafia families, if that is possibly.

[LittleGrizzly]

But since there is only one mafioso left

I think that was sarcasm... im pretty sure we've taken only one mafia family out... 4 to go ?

EDIT: Im pretty sure we've almost! taken 1 mafia family out...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Night 6 is concluded, no further PMs accepted. Write up to follow. Probable voting/selection deadline for d7 is 1100 EST 21 Feb.

[LittleGrizzly]

i think everyone should just vote dutch guy, once he's gone (and people start ignoring andres dodgy counts) voting should be a lot easier

Vote Dutch_Guy
Select LittleGrizzly

[Andres]

Vote Dutch_Guy
Select LittleGrizzly

The write-up of the previous night hasn't been posted yet. How do you know you and Dutch are still alive?

You want the town to start voting and selecting, making tallies with people who might be dead, letting possible dead people vote?

Talking about a brilliant tactic to mess up a tally.

Suspicious... Very suspicious behaviour LittleGrizzly :inquisitive:

[LittleGrizzly]

The write-up of the previous night hasn't been posted yet. How do you know you and Dutch are still alive?

umm... assumption ?

You want the town to start voting and selecting, making tallies with people who might be dead, letting possible dead people vote?

Talking about a brilliant tactic to mess up a tally.

Suspicious... Very suspicious behaviour LittleGrizzly

well if everyone goes along with my vote dutch idea we wouldn't have any tally worrys anyway, and my vote to select myself probably wont count, but we should probably be careful of this Grizz guy something about him...

[Drisos]

As long as you keep writing nonsense Andres, I will keep writing this:

* Do not(!) listen to Andres!

[Andres]

As long as you keep writing nonsense Andres, I will keep writing this:

* Do not(!) listen to Andres!

Put it in your sig. It's easier then having to type it in every post you make.

But you're right, don't listen to me. You guys should start voting and selecting right away. No need to wait for the results of last night.

:horn:

:director: Everybody who assumes that he survived the day: start voting !!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

"There’s a somebody I’m longin’ to see
I hope that he, turns out to be
Someone who’ll watch over me…

Won’t you tell him please to put on some speed
Follow my lead, oh, how I need
Someone to watch over me

Someone to watch over me"
-- George Gershwin (singer: Ella Fitzgerald)



Summary, Night Six


Proletariat was headed for the market. Changing apartments – she’d picked a building with a private security force this time – meant that she’d need groceries. Fortunately for her, the market she preferred was open late and situated on a busy thoroughfare with plenty of people around. Shipments in were a problem now, but Mr. Konstantinos would have the good stuff – kalamatas, feta, humus – if anyone did.

As she browsed through produce amid a small crowd of shoppers, she heard something from the side door to the store – the one leading to the storage cellar dumbwaiter and the restrooms.

<<evil laughter?>>

Clich&#233;’d or not, she couldn’t leave a potential threat behind her. She pulled her revolver – if there was a person from the Committee who went unarmed these days, she hadn’t noticed – and went gently to the side door, one of those wide swinging types that went both directions. She eased through the door, revolver in front, “clearing” each side of the hallway in front of her. To the right, only a step away, was the empty dumbwaiter. She turned left, facing the longer arm of this side hallway the one leading toward the small restrooms. She cautiously edged forward.

The attack came from behind. A chloroformed cloth in a gloved – surgically gloved – hand was flung across her face and a syringe glinted in the light streaming in from the produce section. Prole’ turned to fight but was already woozy as she tried to break the powerful grip of her assailant.

A second masked figure broke out of the bathroom and jumped into the fight, knocking the syringe-armed assailant back into the dumbwaiter. Proletariat dropped to her knees, losing her weapon, struggling to hold on to consciousness. The fight was impressive. Prole’s attacker was powerful, and though he’d lost the syringe – which shattered and broke leaving a lethal dosage of morphine on the tiled floor – he was not only defending himself well, but slashing with a scalpel at Proletariat’s rescuer, who was trying in vain to get his weapon clear without getting cut apart.

Neither man seemed to gain the upper hand in this struggle, but witnesses in the produce section were screaming and now police sirens could be heard in the distance. Snarling, the syringe attacker grabbed Proletariat’s rescuer and flung him bodily away and straight at Proletariat. She went down and out from that hit, her rescuer scrambling to regain his feet. The assailant leapt into the large dumbwaiter, slashed the cord with his blade and dropped into the cellar to make an escape through the access doors. Proletariat’s rescuer exited the scene as well. Nobody – including Proletariat – got a chance to identify those involved. Proletariat decided to skip dinner.


Lt. Pinard was wary and well-armed – Fatlington was no longer safe and anyone with half a brain knew it. So, when the gunman broke from the shadows of the storefront half a block ahead – the shape of a BAR was unmistakable to anyone who’d served as a footsoldier as had Pinard – he’d quickly broken toward the alley he’d been nearest.

Pinard intended to stay a step ahead, so only a step inside he quickly glanced to see that the alley was clear and that no one was on the fire escape above his head. He quickly got behind the small trash dumpster and prepared to fire from cover at his attacker. The BAR man took cover behind a car parked at the curb opposite the alley. Both men knew where the other was and both were well aware of what was likely to happen to the first person who broke cover. The BAR man gave a thumbs up.

Once again, getting your opponent to move of his own accord precisely where it will do you the most good proved the means to an end. Triggered by a hidden accomplice, the plastic explosives – some people can get anything at a GI surplus store – turned most of the side of the dumpster next to Pinard into jagged metal shrapnel and turned Pinard into something resembling hamburger. A perfect yellow rose – a just-opened bud – was placed on Pinard’s mangled corpse.


Crazed Rabbit was cautious, but not particularly worried. He hadn’t drawn anybody’s attention – just gone quietly about his work. So he was surprised when the gunfire erupted as he exited the pool-hall where he’d had dinner – the place was a pit, but the chili was excellent – but not too surprised to slam back through the door and seek cover. Glancing out – from solid cover – at the lone gunman, he could see his would-be killer’s perplexed body language. The shooter broke away at a run and disappeared into the darkness. All Rabbit found after the gunmen left were some empty submachine gun casings and a single, broken-stemmed white rose.


Kagemusha, sitting in a restaurant across town, came face to face with his own mortality at more or less the same exact moment. He was ordering a third martini when a pair of gunmen burst out of the kitchen door, knocking over a single trench-coated man who’d been barring their path. Both men leveled their heavy pistols and made a bee-line for his table. Kage stood to run, knowing it would be too late…

As the shooters opened fire though, a secretive waiter managed to a) push the sommelier between the shooters and Kagemusha and b) lob a tray of perfectly seasoned pasta dishes at the two gunmen. The shots would probably have missed Kagemusha, since they were aimed behind him, as though expecting him to be backing away from some other threat. They didn’t miss the surprised sommelier. He caught all 4 rounds in the torso and hit the floor dying. The pasta, however, was right on target, covering the face of one gunman with hot sauce and a plate knocking the gun from the other’s hand. Both took off in the ensuing confusion, as did the secretive waiter and the fellow who’d tried to block the kitchen entrance. Kagemusha did not finish dinner.


FactionHeir was upset and stalking home in a huff. He was completely unprepared when the assailant – clad in a close-helm and a white hauberk emblazoned with a red crusader cross, but armed with a very modern shotgun – leapt out from behind a parked car in front of him.

The red crusader’s first shot missed, as FactionHeir began to react, bringing his own weapon out. The second shot caught FactionHeir in the belly – fortunately covered by the bulletproof vest FH had taken to wearing – and drove him backward. FactionHeir, half stunned, still managed to get off a couple of shots at the knight as the latter broke the shotgun to reload. Down went the crusader under the hammering of FactionHeir’s well-placed shots. FH paused and went down on one knee, gasping for breath.

A heavy shot shattered FH’s hand and knocked the pistol clear as a quartet of figures stepped out of several “hides.” Each was clad in a visored helm and a white hauberk sporting the black cross of a crusader.

“Armored, of course,” said one of the knights as his .45 put a round into FactionHeir’s knee. FactionHeir collapsed.

“Undoubtedly,” said another muffled voice as he double-tapped FH’s other leg. FactionHeir was bleeding profusely and moaning from the pain.

“But no helmet,” said a third as he put a round through FH’s temple, splattering brains and gore on the pavement in a short arc. “Remember, proper headgear at all times, lads.”

“What about ‘Red,’ asked the fourth black cross? It was his shot that had disarmed Factionheir – nearly literally. “He’s probably armored too, so aside from some sore ribs he’ll be up and going in a couple of minutes. Should we…”

“Never mind,” said the head-shooter. “He’s served his purpose.”

The crusaders faded into the night. “Red” managed to wake up and crawl out of sight before Fermanagh’s cops arrived to stand around, look important, and munch a few doughnuts until the coroner’s team showed up.


The guardian looked out under the broad brim of his hat at his charge. Louis VI the Fat strode with confidence just a few steps ahead, head up and steps crisp – the air of a man who knew his place in the scheme of things and was happy with that role. The guardian nodded, everything in place. One walking lead, himself, and a third ensuring that neither of the two close in guards could be….

The sharp crack of the pommel of the blade on his temple sent the tail-guard into the arms of Morpheus before his synapses had done more than announce they’d been hit. And now a new figure strode just a few steps behind Louis.

A few steps in front of Louis, the lead guard fell victim to an ancient trick. When a man in front of him tossed a loaded automatic softly to him, the lead guard simply caught it – with both hands. A second figure pistol whipped the lead guard into oblivion and turned toward Louis as the person who’d tossed the automatic pulled a matching pistol from a trench coat pocket and joined his companion. The other passersby began to scatter.

Louis had come to an abrupt halt at the commotion in front of him, but had only just begun to react when the two gunmen in front leveled their weapons to shoot him. At that same moment – a moment that moves liquidly for the participants with the freeze frame slowness you perceive in a car wreck or some other crisis – the figure behind Louis grasped his chin from behind and pulled his face to the left.

With time still swimming through molasses, Louis started to shout as the man at his back plunged a stiletto precisely through the small opening between neck vertebrae and skull he’d created by turning Louis’ head, and the gunmen’s shots crashed into Louis in the lower abdomen and just above his right temple – both shots aimed where body armor would not cover. All three attacks would have been either immediately or eventually lethal. It would be impossible to discern which had taken his life.

Staggered back by Louis’ convulsing body, the stiletto assassin dropped the corpse in a heap on the sidewalk and reached for the gun in his own coat pocket. With the passersby scattering, the six created an odd tableau. Two with aching heads would wake, while one with a shattered head would never do so. Across this last, one masked gunmen stared at two more – and neither side moved a muscle. Neither had expected the other’s arrival but all had profited from the unexpected cooperation.

Finally, by unspoken agreement, the lone killer knelt, dropped a playing card on the corpse and backed away, fading into the darkness. The pair paused only a moment more, and then left a calling card of their own before departing in turn.

When the police arrived, all that remained was the remains of Louis VI the Fat, with a small pair of pink ballet slippers placed in 5th position on the top of his battered skull and next to them a King of Hearts with the word “traitor” printed neatly on the back of the card. The first officer on the scene – a rookie new to Fatlington – promptly vomited on the whole thing.


Craterus knew enough not to take an elevator. Unfortunately, his apartment was on the top floor of the 6th floor building, and it made his trip upstairs a royal pain. Still, better a little discomfort than dying like a trapped rat in a convenient elevator. Despite his innate caution, he wasn’t ready for the two assailants who burst from the door of a 5th floor apartment just as he reached the top of the steps. Neither went for a weapon, but both went for his legs, quickly upending him over the railing to plummet 5 floors.

Both stood to watch as Craterus fell, but to their stunned disbelief he did not arrive at the bottom with a thud. As he fell, a bed stacked with extra blankets rolled under him at the bottom of the long stairwell to cushion and absorb the fall. Craterus bounced off the bed only to be caught by a pair of hands reaching out to him and pulling him aside. There would be no chance of a successful “second effort” by the pair above.

With footsteps hammering up the stairs from below, both would-be killers ran ahead of them up the stairs, out onto the roof, and then off across the dark rooftops into the comforting invisibility of a dark night.


For ajaxfetish, then end came all too quickly. He’d made it back to his apartment easily enough, put all the locks in place, took off his shoulder holster and was just leaning toward the radio for some music – he wasn’t prepared to spend for a TV yet, too darned expensive and only a couple hours of programs each week -- when it happened. His bedroom wall seemed to explode outward in a rain of plaster and lathe-board – but the explosion was the result of numerous rounds of .45 caliber ammunition courtesy of a couple of tommy guns firing through the wall of his bedroom and into the living room.

His radio and a side table blocked some of the shots, but both shooters had the 100 round drums and neither was worried about saving the barrels. Ajax was down and bleeding from a half dozen wounds in his legs and torso when both gunmen stepped into the living room and – after loading a fresh drum each – finished their work. A piece of parchment with the legend “il destino &#232; inesorabile” neatly printed on it in Gothic script.


Morning Briefing, Day Seven


“…and that sums up last night,” finished Commissioner Fermanagh.

“As to our post-mortem results, we’ve come up with this information. Fahad I, Killfr3nzy, Sapi, and Xiahou were all clearly townies with no information linking them to the mobs or to criminal activity in general.”

Fermanagh smiled.

“But we did eliminate some of the scum too. Kommodus was a Mafia Luca – one of their special protection thugs, and Omanes Alexandrapolites was a DON! One of those viscious criminal kingpins is dead, Dead, DEAD! This is a real victory for Fatlington. So much so that I’m not gonna worry too much about tracking down whichever vigilante took Kommodus out.”

Fermanagh paused.

“It’s harder to be sure about the others on the list, but we’ve developed what we can. GeneralHankerchief and x-dANGEr were both criminals – WiseGuys – though we can’t really be sure how active either one was. Moros too registered as a Wiseguy with our sources, but there was something fishy there as well. We found a train/boat ticket to Havana hidden in the tank of his toilet as well as some kind of “brag” book featuring pictures of dead individuals with code words scrawled on the pictures – “Fauchard, Glaive….We’re just not sure what to make of it. I have a sneaking suspicion, however, that we’re better off without him.”

So saying, Fermanagh turned the meeting over to JimBob, who reiterated the procedure for this evening’s lynch vote and director selection. Fatlington continued to bake in the hot sun.



OOC

1. Voting and Director Selection for Day Seven will now commence. Deadline will be 1300 EST 21 Feb 08 (1800 GMT).

2. Investigation Results and Promotions as soon as possible.

3. List of Players and Events

Still Alive: (45) Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Makanyane, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Roadkill, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Xdeathfire, Xehh II.

Attacked: (22) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Caius (N3), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6), Sasaki Kojiro (N5), taka (N2), Tran (N5), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)

Murdered: (21) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6)

Lynched: (6) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6)

Removed from Play: (7) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5)

4. Note: More inactives will be leaving us shortly.

[shlin28]

Vote Leet Ericksson

He, I and Husar supposed protected Louis, one of us is a traitor, and its not me, so it has to be him or Husar.

[Caius]

I invite you to burn Dutch_guy today!

[Caius]

Gah! Forgot to vote.

Vote:Dutch_Guy. Die die die die die!

[shlin28]

I screwed up, messed up order, so I didnt protect Louis :embarassed:

Unvote Leet

[Louis VI the Fat]

No, vote the don first, Crazed Rabbit.

The trap worked perfectly, but I had hoped my protection group would've shown up. :shame:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Dutch Guy

Night turned out ok. Kommodus being luca is bonus, and moros as well.


Selecet:Jimbob this is the day for it right?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Note to self: don't make irritated posts after you've died, Louis. :smash:

[Craterus]

What's the case against CR? I don't think I understand.

For now, vote: Dutch_guy, he'll only get cockier the longer he's left alive.


Well, you could always try a double lynch.

While you're at it, maybe even a tripple lynch. It's bound to work if you put your mind to it :laugh4:

:balloon2:

[Myrddraal]

I must have missed something. Why is CR a Don Louis?

[Andres]

I must have missed something. Why is CR a Don Louis?

Louis VI the Fat is dead.


Dead players may not quote from a PM unless that PM has been posted in the public thread by a living player. Dead players may not reveal, recount or allude to their previous night actions (or results thereof in the case of investigations) publicly or privately – even to confirm a previously made public or private reveal. Remember, even if dead you can still score well provided your “side” achieves victory. Your participation must be circumspect, but your continued participation IS encouraged.

EDIT: Revenge is sweet...


Finally, by unspoken agreement, the lone killer knelt, dropped a playing card on the corpse and backed away, fading into the darkness. The pair paused only a moment more, and then left a calling card of their own before departing in turn.

When the police arrived, all that remained was the remains of Louis VI the Fat, with a small pair of pink ballet slippers placed in 5th position on the top of his battered skull and next to them a King of Hearts with the word “traitor” printed neatly on the back of the card. The first officer on the scene – a rookie new to Fatlington – promptly vomited on the whole thing.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Note to self: don't make irritated posts after you've been killed, Louis. :smash:

[TinCow]

I am, however, infinitely furiated that this is now the third time somebody in a townie protection group fails to send in their orders, or the correct orders, or the correct orders in time. I can't work like this. I was *this* bloody close to finding out who else is involved with this family.

Ironic that you would end this way, after your own actions resulted in the protection failure that let Glenn die. It seems somehow fitting.

[Dutch_guy]

Ironic that you would end this way, after your own actions resulted in the protection failure that let Glenn die. It seems somehow fitting.

Nah, the real irony of this all is that I actually managed to outlive Louis.

:balloon2:

[Louis VI the Fat]

No posting irritated posts after you've died, Louis.

[Makanyane]

Vote:Dutch Guy
finally this time lets get that out of the way :wall:

(still attempting to understand rest of stuff, but if we don't lynch DG we'll risk the double lynch saga again, and again.....)

[CountArach]

Vote: Dutch_Guy as was agreed yesterday.

Now I wonder - can we trust Kommodus? Obviously he won't tell us the truth about anyone in his family, but what about the other families? Can we trust him to try to prevent a town victory or to try to prevent another famiy's victory? At the very least, we know he is out of the way now.

[Kagemusha]

I would like to hear more about the status of CR. Can someone aligned with Louis give some light to the issue? Also Vote: Dutch Guy

[Andres]

Thanks for revelling in the death of a townie, TinCow. Teamplayer, much?

A townie ? :inquisitive:

:laugh4:

[Tratorix]

Vote: Dutch_Guy

Die.

[GeneralHankerchief]

...and yet, Proletariat is once again protected by a lone figure.

:wall:

At least get some votes on her.

[Charge]

Vote: Dutch Guy....

Lynching:
Dutch Guy: 8 (Caius, Sasaki, Craterus, Mak, CA, Kage, BSR, Charge)


Director:
JimBob: 1 (Sasaki)

[Andres]

How many attacks did we have last night? 8? 9? 10?

Not much of them were vigilantes. It seems like you guys have A LOT of mafiosi to catch, yet you keep focusing on the lonely survivor of the Stracci family, allowing everybody to make short posts, without much reasoning.

You have the work behind the scenes, but you also, always, need to generate discussion, force people to think before they post, which gives you something to analyse so that you can detect scum.

With a simple Dutch vote, without explanation you are a) being lazy and missing opportunities to generate mafia detecting discussion b) offering the perfect cover for lurking mafiosi to make that one WoG-avoiding post.

:shrug:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, now that it has, in fact, been confirmed that I am pro-town...

Everyone look at me!!!

Dutch deserves lynching, yes. But he's a dead duck. There weren't any ballet slipper kills last night. There are more people that need more attention pressed on them.

If you lynch Dutch_guy, you give the rest of the mafia a free pass for the day, and then they get to kill a dozen more people tomorrow!

It's time to tell yourself that you need to get down and do the hard part now. And that's finding out who the people in the other families are, not just finishing off one person and giving everybody else the day off.

[Lt. Pinard]

O MAN I died!! That sux!

Why the hell would any mafia target me? Its not like I was making myself know.

hmmmm

I wonder if it was that thing I wasn't suppose to talk about......

Now that I'm dead I cant talk about it at all!

[Lt. Pinard]

there was a slipper kill

[Tratorix]

When the police arrived, all that remained was the remains of Louis VI the Fat, with a small pair of pink ballet slippers placed in 5th position on the top of his battered skull and next to them a King of Hearts with the word “traitor” printed neatly on the back of the card.

There was one slipper kill last night.

[GeneralHankerchief]

:oops:

So I suppose that Dutch was the lone killer then.

My previous comments about this bandwagon still stand, however.

[Andres]

The hit on Louis was in fact a combined effort of the Mafia families, done at the request of the Stracci's, who are without resources (do you really expect wiseguys joining an already dead family?).

Let this be a warning to all wannabe traitors :brood:

I am grateful to my mafia brethren, and to Don Corleone in particular. You guys may think of him as scum, but Don Corleone is in fact an honorable man who deserves proper respect :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't see why people keep attacking prole unless they believe she's being protected by a doctor and not her luca. It's strange.

Kukri I believe is guilty.

Dutch guy has to go today to cripple the stracchi's.

8 attacks last night. With dutch guy gone that will drop by one.

Kagemusha's kill was a failed townie group combined with failed protection.

faction heir killed by townie group with mysterious red crusader being a side figure.


So I don't think things are looking so bad for the town. Next night we'll have about 5 mafia attempts. A couple will fail and maybe a mafioso will be killed. There's been a few killed already.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I have to say Vote: Dutch Guy

Tally:

Dutch Guy:9 (Caius, Sasaki, Craterus, Mak, CA, Kage, BSR, Charge, EMFM)

[shlin28]

Vote Crazed Rabbit

I believe in Louis :book:

[CountArach]

What were the investigation results Sasaki?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What were the investigation results Sasaki?

There aren't any.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Call me mad, but I am not giving up on the language lead for Don Corleone. (yes, yes, naming Craterus was a bit rash ( even though I still think he deserves punishment simply for hanging out with the Dutch in the Dutch thread)). But anyway, I've already gone over all the Dutch speakers I could find by now, and none of them match Don Corleone's English. Could I have been wrong?
Could Don Corleone be the speaker of another small Germanic languange, one very closely related to Dutch? Perhaps....Norwegian?

Below are Don Corleone's messages. All three of them share the same, distinct 'accent'. Pannonian outed Tiberius as working for a don. Information I pried from the Stracchi's confirmed that Tiberius was working for the Corleones. TosaInu spoke on behalf of somebody claiming to be Don Corleone. This leads me to think that the messages are for real, and that it truly is Don Corleone himself speaking:

Corleone 1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1830518&postcount=1220)

This is I, the Don of Tiberius of the Drake.
I hereby invite the Dons of the other families to a temporary truce and would like to set up a meeting. In your ranks you have those who are either dead or expendable. Send a message to me (via Tiberius) through these persons with the following details:

1. Your family name
2. In the don pm there is a secret codeword in the first section. Name the word(s) in the parenthesis of that first section.
3. Also in the first section under victory condition, name the 3rd word in the first sentence.

If you pass these 3 tests, I will return your messenger to you with details of our meeting where you will be ensured total anonymousity.

Corleone 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832144&postcount=1425)

Greetings,

This is the Don of one of the five families.

I have a proposition to make and call a meeting for de Dons.

The Dons of the other four families should contact me via this email:

Don1_CapoDeTuttiCapi@hotmail.com

The meeting of the Dons will be on an external forum where new accounts will be made, one for each Don (the dons register via a link provided).
Send an email using a fresh account, like the one provided above, with answers to these questions where the answers will only be found in the non red sections of your role pm:

1. Your family name – there should only be one of each.
2. The codeword in parenthesis in the first section (Victory conditions)
3. The third word in the first section (Victory conditions)
4. Quote sentence no.1 in paragraph A (General) from the section; Powers & Responsibilities.

If you are not able to answer these questions you will not receive an invitation.
The questions are a precoution against any claimants not being a real Don...

I hope to hear from you...

Corleone 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1833142&postcount=1675)

I am Don Corleone,

I see that the families are struggling and I would again invite the current Dons from the following families to the grand meeting of the Dons:

Don Stracchi (or the remaining member(s))
Don Barzini
Don Cunnio

I and Don Tataglia wait at the meeting place.
Please follow the guidelines outlined in the previous message.

PS!
To test if I am genuine, feel free to ask any question only a Don of Capo de Tutti Capi II would know in your initial e-mail (from your dummy e-mail account).

I have compared Don Corleone's writing style with the Dutchies / Flemish. None matched. Sigurd is Norwegian, but his English is too good. Ironside is Swedish, but I think not. However, when I checked Norwegian Nerd's English (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=120266), my alarm bells went off. :yes:

I shall cast a FoS on Norwegian Nerd for Don Corleone.

Edit: meh, link to NN's English doesn't seem to work. Search for all his messages, and you can compare for yourself.

[Kagemusha]

Vote Crazed Rabbit

I believe in Louis :book:

Care to elaborate? You claimed that you were part of Louis protection last night, so surely you know also about dealings concerning Crazed Rabbit? What is the case against him?

[CountArach]

Also I don't think it was NN because he doesn't know Tosa as well as some of us older members. Hence he would probably be more apprehensive before approaching him. It seems like a very un-NNish thing to do from the few games I have played with him.

[JimBob]

Put Andres on ignore everybody. Today we lynch Dutch_guy. The Straccis are still functional. I'm producing a summary of our major investigation results. Tomorrow we begin to get rid of them. I encourage any townies to try to hit these folks tonight. Also, townies, report to me. We've got a growing group, let's make it unstoppable.

I am sorry to discover that Moros was playing Glenn and I. He may have been the Wolf, he claimed a townie version of the role to us.

I'm standing for director again. So you know, vote for me.

Our major results thus far.

Sigurd Fafnesbane - Don Corleone - Investigated twice by an FBI detective
Makayane - Tatagalia, Rank Unknown - Investigated and found guilty on Night 3
Hiji - Rank and Family Unknown - Investigated and found guilty on Night 4
Dutch_guy - Stracchi Luca
TruePraetorian - Rank and Family unknown - Sabotaged vigilante hit on Tran on Night 5, attempted sabotage of vigilante hit on Tran on Night 6.
Charge - Mafia Affiliation Unknown - Investigated and found criminal on Night 3
Twilightblade - Rank and Family Unknown - Investigated and found criminal on Night 4
Ichigo - Rank and Family Unknown - Investigated and found unclear on Night 2. Investigated and found guilty on Night 5.
Tran - Wiseguy or Made, Stracchi



And I call on Louis's 'trustees' to forward me what they have. Pooling information helps folks.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Further investigations pending, I'm afraid, Kage. Rash to call him a don, but the fos on CR remains. I am very unhappy to report that the operation to find out about the family is now interrupted by the inconvenient detail of me being death. :shame:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Are you serious?! :inquisitive:

Can we at least try for a double lynch with Sigurd?

Even if we fail, we'll still have removed one powerful mafioso.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:sigurd

Yes let's at least try.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Sigurd Fafnesbane - Don Corleone - Investigated twice by an FBI detective.Well, at the very least I was right a few posts above about Norwegian being the language of DC then. :sweatdrop:


And I call on Louis's 'trustees' to forward me what they have. Pooling information helps folks.Nope, if I have any say in it. But most of the good stuff confirms with what you wrote.
We can give you the name of Ichigo's family though...but I can't reveal.

[Kagemusha]

Agreed. Unvote and Vote: Sigurd,please next one make a tally.

[JimBob]

Nope, if I have any say in it. But most of the good stuff confirms with what you wrote.
We can give you the name of Ichigo's family though...but I can't reveal.
Why not? Are you that bitter to the town Louis? Or are you even with the town.

Do you not trust me, or is it some of the others. What you send can be kept in strict confidence.

[Pannonian]

Why not? Are you that bitter to the town Louis? Or are you even with the town.

Do you not trust me, or is it some of the others. What you send can be kept in strict confidence.
He's dead. He can discuss stuff that's out in public, but he can't reveal private discussions.

[scottishranger]

I am going to vote Sigurd. Based on the evidence good Jimbob has provided us. We need to start taking down more mafia families, we cant get tied down trieing to eliminate this last guy. Lets double lynch.

Dutch Guy:7 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM)
Sigurd: 3(Kag,Sasaki, Scott)
CR:1 (shlin)

Selections:
Jimbob 2 (Sasaki, Scott)

[Pannonian]

I'll just remind people they need to vote and select using the correct format. Eg.

Unvote: TosaInu
Vote: Seamus

Sack: Seamus
Select: TosaInu

[scottishranger]

I am not doing to well with that...

Alright

Vote: Sigurd
Select: Jimbob

Hurrah!

[Tran]

Hmmm...Louis is dead. I believe he's guilty...

Vote:Sigurd
Select: Tincow

The person I can trust.

Lynch tally:
Dutch Guy:7 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM)
Sigurd: 4 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Directors:
Jimbob: 2 (Sasaki, Scott)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)

[Louis VI the Fat]

Tally, people!

I, for one, want to hear more about the evidence against Sigurd. All we see is hearsay. I can see a conspiracy scenario in which Sigurd is actually just a lucky guess.


Lynch:
15 - Dutch_guy (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Makayane, Hiji, Dutch_guy, TruePraetorian, Tran, Charge, Twilightblade, Ichigo, )
3 - Sigurd


Select:
12 - Shlin28 ( Sigurd Fafnesbane, Makayane, Hiji, Dutch_guy, TruePraetorian, Tran, Charge, Twilightblade, Ichigo)
6 - JimBob (JimBob, Elvis, Dork_Guy, Andres VI the Ugly, Womanes, Tran C. Dental)

[Northnovas]

Tally, people!

I, for one, want to hear more about the evidence against Sigurd. All we see is hearsay. I can see a conspiracy scenario in which Sigurd is actually just a lucky guess.


Lynch:
15 - Dutch_guy (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Makayane, Hiji, Dutch_guy, TruePraetorian, Tran, Charge, Twilightblade, Ichigo, )
3 - Sigurd


Select:
12 - Shlin28 ( Sigurd Fafnesbane, Makayane, Hiji, Dutch_guy, TruePraetorian, Tran, Charge, Twilightblade, Ichigo)
6 - JimBob (JimBob, Elvis, Dork_Guy, Andres VI the Ugly, Womanes, Tran C. Dental)


You need you tallies edited. Unless that was an example to tally.

[Crazed Rabbit]

vote: Sigurd

Select: Jimbob

Lynch tally:
Dutch Guy:7 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM)
Sigurd: 5 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran,CR)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Directors:
Jimbob: 3 (Sasaki, Scott, CR)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)

Why are you messing up the tally Louis?

CR

EDIT: Woo! Post # 2222 !

[Twilightblade]

vote: Dutch Guy

Lynch tally:
Dutch Guy:8 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade)
Sigurd: 5 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran,CR)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Directors:
Jimbob: 3 (Sasaki, Scott, CR)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)

[Sarathos]

Vote: Sigurd
Yet another Don

[Northnovas]

I will have to go with the latest reveal by JimBob. We have identified a couple Dons and has mentioned we should go with a double lynch if that is possible. Again mentioned in a recent post Dutch Guy a Don but in a depleted family and who would work with now?
However, Sig identified and it is unknown his power and how many are working for him at this stage. If we can't get both who is the greater threat?

Vote: Sigurd


As of #2225

Lynch tally:
Dutch Guy:8 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade)
Sigurd: 7 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas)
CR: 1 (shlin)


Select: JimBob

Directors:
Jimbob: 4 (Sasaki, Scott, CR, Northnovas)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)

[LittleGrizzly]

Vote DutchGuy
Select LittleGrizzly

Going to make sure DutchGuy dies!

[Crazed Rabbit]

Why is DG so much more important to you than killing a Don?
:inquisitive:

Explain yourself.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think Sigurd should be the priority. He should be out ahead a couple votes. We can vig dutch, can't vig a don.

[TinCow]

Vote: Sigurd
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 8 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 4 (Sasaki, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

[John86]

Vote: Sigurd
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 9 (Kag,Sasaki, Hiji, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 5 (Sasaki, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

[Joe Monks]

Select:Jimbob

Its gotten much more complicated.



Sigurd Fafnesbane - Don Corleone - Investigated twice by an FBI detective
Makayane - Tatagalia, Rank Unknown - Investigated and found guilty on Night 3
Dutch_guy - Stracchi Luca
Tran - Wiseguy or Made, Stracchi


Who the hell to vote for? really.

Since Jimbob is director I am going to follow him.

Vote:Dutch Guy

Joe

[Sigurd]

I think Sigurd should be the priority. He should be out ahead a couple votes. We can vig dutch, can't vig a don.

I have been reading this nonsence a few times now...
And I must say. Clever ... mafa ... clever.

Go ahead and lynch me over Dutch. But I can't be a Don. you see.. I will come up as innocent, not guilty when investigated.

I have been scorned trough this game and no one will work with me.
I have tried to get into vig groups in both Sasaki's gang and CR's but they always come up with some excuse ... no it is better to vote the mafia dead.
Yet, I keep reminding them that we are getting slaughtered 5/1 nearly every round and more will come. says the killings will go down, but the Mafia wet-boys will all turn made and then there will be more kills.

This is just the perfect timing for a mass reveal of investigations. According to Jimbob, you have lynch candidates for the remainder of the game. If the mafia has been working together and their numbers are substantial.. something all the kills suggests, then they could just push for a mafia win right now. There is just no way we could out-vote them with all the lurkers we have.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Did you just edit your post Hiji? I could've sworn your post read like this:


Lets kill Dutch guy already!

Vote: Dutch_Guy
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Caius, Hiji, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 8 (Kag,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 5 (Sasaki, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Is it against the rules to post a screenshot of the actual thread?

CR

[Xehh II]

Vote: Sigurd
Select: JimBob

Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Caius, Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Sasaki, Hiji, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, XehhII)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 7 (Sasaki, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, XehhII)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Edit: bad counting

[John86]

Did you just edit your post Hiji? I could've sworn your post read like this:



Is it against the rules to post a screenshot of the actual thread?

CR

Yes, I edited it several seconds after posting rather than posting another post. Now that I've read Sig's post and realized he cannot be a don I'm going back to Dutch_Guy:

Unvote:Sigurd
Vote: Dutch_Guy


Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Caius, Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 9 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow)
CR: 1 (shlin)

Director Tally:
Jimbob: 7 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Excuse me, but what of Sigurd's post makes you 'realize he can not be a don'?!

I guess we know which family you are - Corleone. Indeed, if you really thought he wasn't a don, you'd vote for him.

Sigurd -
You told me last night that you had a 'role blocker' friend who put a stop on Dutch guy. As is clear from the write up, and the two killers who helped off Louis then put ballerina shoes on him, no block was put on DG.

Why did you lie?

CR

[woad&fangs]

Yes, I edited it several seconds after posting rather than posting another post. Now that I've read Sig's post and realized he cannot be a don I'm going back to Dutch_Guy:


How has it been proved that he is not a Don?

[LittleGrizzly]

Why is DG so much more important to you than killing a Don?
:inquisitive:

Explain yourself.

CR

I just can't be sure of his guilt.. can you ??

[Sigurd]

Oh... here is a little gem from the role descriptions in Seamus' other thread:


A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase.

Whoever gave this FBI investigation on me must have it wrong, or might be a made giving false information.
There are grounds to question every one of those investigations.

[John86]

How has it been proved that he is not a Don?

You cannot find a Don from an investigation, they show up as innocent. They cannot kill if there is active family alive, if Sigurd is a don and has no remaining family members left, and he did indeed kill someone, he would come up as guilty. So my question is, how did you come to the conclusion he was a Don from an investigation? JimBob?

[Sigurd]

Excuse me, but what of Sigurd's post makes you 'realize he can not be a don'?!

I guess we know which family you are - Corleone. Indeed, if you really thought he wasn't a don, you'd vote for him.

Sigurd -
You told me last night that you had a 'role blocker' friend who put a stop on Dutch guy. As is clear from the write up, and the two killers who helped off Louis then put ballerina shoes on him, no block was put on DG.

Why did you lie?

CR
I didn't lie...
The one I mentioned works with the real detective. I shall not reveal the name here amongst mafiosi.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You cannot find a Don from an investigation, they show up as innocent.

WRONG. The FBI detective can find them. They may be, as Sigurd said, unlikely to find them, but that does not mean impossible. Therefore, Sigurd's statement

Whoever gave this FBI investigation on me must have it wrong,
is also wrong.

LittleGrizzly:

1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.

So I can be sure, yes.

Why do you go for DG over Sigurd, not even trying for a double lynch. And why do you bring out absurdities about being sure in a Capo mafia game, especially when it has been said the FBI detective investigated him?

Sigurd - if you were not lying then why was DG not blocked?

Question to Seamus:
Is this quote not evidence of vote editing and therefore automatic WoGing?


Yes, I edited it several seconds after posting rather than posting another post.

Crazed Rabbit

[John86]

Question to Seamus:
Is this quote not evidence of vote editing and therefore automatic WoGing?
Crazed Rabbit

Do tell, how is editing a post before there was a reply, several seconds after the original post, "vote editing"?

[Crazed Rabbit]

2 minutes, actually. But hey, I'm just asking Seamus.

CR

[Husar]

CR, you told me something as well about dutch_guy and it didn't happen either, so why is he still alive and why did Sigurd tell me before your PM that he applied to you kill dutch as he says here in the thread, but also says you refused him?
Why oh why did you also tell me certain other things which did not happen and why oh why does this all seem to add up to you being a manipulative Don?
You blaim Sigurd for giving you wrong info, yet you gave certaine people a lot more wrong info and may have simply lied.
I also lied to you about my protection business but that was because "we" already suspected you to be a don at that point and do not trust you. The fact that I work with Louis should be known by now as certain other townies couldn't keep their mouth shut but I still believe that Louis was working in the town's interest and that's also why he had to die.

I may come up with more in case any of you ********* townies actually read my posts or decide to listen to me for once. :furious3:

[Sigurd]

WRONG. The FBI detective can find them. They may be, as Sigurd said, unlikely to find them, but that does not mean impossible. Therefore, Sigurd's statement

is also wrong.

LittleGrizzly:

1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.

So I can be sure, yes.

Why do you go for DG over Sigurd, not even trying for a double lynch. And why do you bring out absurdities about being sure in a Capo mafia game, especially when it has been said the FBI detective investigated him?

Sigurd - if you were not lying then why was DG not blocked?

Question to Seamus:
Is this quote not evidence of vote editing and therefore automatic WoGing?



Crazed Rabbit

Well I guess you are all set in your minds that I am a greater threat than Dutch.
Don Corleone is obviously not alone.. I think someone established this (ajax?) hence he is not allowed to kill.
All though ... I have to admit there were a few lone killers lately so we can't completely rule it out.

You came to me last night CR and asked if I wanted to join a vigilante group, and when I said yes, you just shut that door in my face with: sorry, I can't help because I have other business.

Sasaki wanted me to join one of his protection groups and gave me names. I tried to contact them all but not all answered. I then asked about vig groups and Sasaki claimed they were not necessary.

I have contacted the blocker and he claimed he changed his orders. He can confirm or deny this.

Now I have to go.. the battery on my lap is dying and I have to get some sleep. More on this tomorrow.

Sigurd

[LittleGrizzly]

LittleGrizzly:

1) I am sure Jimbob is pro-town after Glenn's information was revealed after his death.
I agree

2) Jimbob says Sigurd was investigated by the FBI detective.
As far as he nows...

3) The real FBI detective would contact Jimbob if he had been fed false information.
Is a good point but there is a chance they might not...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sigurd is lying (unsurprisingly).

I asked him and some others if he could help. But everyone besides Sigurd couldn't help.

So I told him there wasn't enough people.


I have contacted the blocker and he claimed he changed his orders. He can confirm or deny this.

Huh, convenient. Why don't you send the name of the blocker to Jimbob?

CR

[Husar]

Are you one of those who ignore my posts or are my questions just too inconvenient, CR? :inquisitive:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'll admit I don't know everything. Just a fraction of all the knowledge to be had in the world or even in this game.

So I could indeed have been wrong, but it was not through malice but human error.

CR