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Seamus Fermanagh

02-10-2008, 19:00

This is post #1004 in the main thread.

"Choose the players, choose the role
Cast of thousands, cast of few
Imagination decides the plot
Play the good guy, play the bad
Heres the victim, heres the saint
Heres the canvas, heres the paint

Good luck bad luck who knows
Good luck bad luck who knows"
-- Howard Jones

Night Two Summary

GeneralHankerchief had just stepped out of the cab when it happened. Before he could even straighten up fully he was staring into the barrel of a handgun – looking like a cannon to him from his viewpoint – so he stopped.

“Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent.

GeneralHankerchief saw the cabby running up the block, and knew with a sinking certainty that he’d be sitting back down next to another gunman who’d entered from the street side and that this ride would be his last. He sat back down anyway – not much choice – while the first gunman went around to the driver’s seat.

GeneralHankerchief turned to see who the second gunman was. An empty seat? There was nobody else in the cab! Stunned, but not willing to miss a chance, Generalhankerchief bolted out of his door exactly as the “Asian” gunman climbed into the driver’s seat. He was 40 feet away and doging and weaving toward a crowd of tourists – currently arguing with two Fatlington cops about a parking ticket – when the gunman got a line on him with his weapon. The gunman paused.

It was too much of a distance for the silenced hand-cannon to stay accurate at a moving target and too many eyes and cops down range. The gunman made the professional choice, got in the cab quietly without any sudden motions, and drove away. GeneralHankerchief faded into the crowd.

Cowhead418 had a quiet dinner and headed back to his apartment. Heading up the stairs to the 3rd floor flat he was slammed into from above by somebody jumping over the landing railing above to hammer him down. He blacked out.

When he awoke, he found he had been carried into his apartment, bound, gagged and tied to a chair. On the table coffee table in front of him was a lit candle….and he could hear and smell the gas that was hissing from the stove in his kitchen. In moments the gas would rise to the level of the candle and…

A key fumbled in his lock and in came his batty landlady!

“That putz! He left the gas running and his pilot light is out. He’ll blow the whole block apart. It’s a lucky thing the movie was so bad, or I wouldn’t have come back for hours…”

Cowhead418 mumbled trying to get her attention. She never heard him. She did, however, stop the gas, turn on his window fan and leave his apartment, all the while never noticing him and muttering comments about his doubtful intelligence.

Cowhead418 took hours to smash the chair and extricate himself. Other than bruises from being dropped on, he was in good shape. He’d never be quite as frustrated with his dingbat landlady again.

Andres wasn’t expecting to be attacked as he stepped out of the restaurant – too many people and too bright an area – but his reactions were lightning fast when the trench-coated attacker began to level a shotgun at him. Andres spun and rolled, putting himself behind a marble bench at the restaurant entrance while Fermanagh’s police leaped forward – just a little late – to save the day. The attackers were professionals – they had escape routes ready – and quickly beat a retreat before the policemen could do more than form a protective cordon around Andres. Nobody had attacked a director before! But the protection around one is a bit hard to break through – even it Fermanagh didn’t do much else promptly or correctly.

taka was taking his usual drive home – a well lit street that was well patrolled and therefore safe – when his car was boxed in and stopped by several vehicles. In Fatlington, safe is a relative term.

Tommy guns were coming up and starting to hose lead almost as the vehicle ground to a halt. The range was less than ten feet and there was not a chance they would miss. Police were responding in under 30 seconds, sirens blaring and several cars converging on the scene, but in that half minute more than 300 rounds had been emptied from the drum magazines of the tommy guns. The assailant’s cars sped quickly into side streets and were quickly abandoned as the gunmen clear the scene.

To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.

Glenn was sitting at a café – his back to a brick wall – worried about his chances of making it to the next meeting and hoping that his protector would still be there. He heared a commotion at the back of the café and reached for a recently purchased revolver in his pocket.

The assailant burst into the café from the back, flinging two masked individuals aside to crash into the back booths and making stright for Glenn. Glenn fired two rounds quickly straight and true into the center of mass. The opponent slowed, grunted, and continued forward breaking a statue of St. Michael across Glenn’s temple. Glenn dropped back into his seat unconscious.

The assailant started to lift Glenn, only to stop when he heard the twin clicks of a double-barreled shotgun being cocked to fire.

“Leave him be,” said the lone gunman. The masked assailant paused, let go of Glenn, and sobbing ran from the front of the café. The shotgun wielder leaned down to Glenn, checked for a pulse – steady – and then left.

Glenn would suffer no more than a mild concussion, though he wouldn’t be free of his headaches for some time. The police never figured out the purpose of the van abandoned at the back of the café. In the back had been a sharp filleting knife, two large helium tanks, and 4 weather balloons with the legend “deu 32:35” printed on them.

Lord Winter was cagey – walking home to his apartment via the boardwalk so that he could be sure there were plenty of people around. It would not be enough. A section of boards collapsed beneath him dumping him onto the sand below where a masked figure clubbed him into unconsciousness.

He was injected with a lethal dose of heroin shortly thereafter – mostly to keep him unconscious as he faded out. He was tied, gagged and given a heavy set of cement boots – actually a galvanized tub filled with drying cement – and dropped into 20 feet of water at the end of the pier. He was, fortunately, dead from the overdose before he slipped under the water. His remains would never be found – except by the crabs.

Two groups of shadowy figures faced one another on the roofs and alleys surrounding JimBob’s apartment. Figures would catch a glimpse of one another and freeze, poised for action – but nothing happened. The only sound came from the radio blaring in Ajaxfetish’s apartment next door to JimBobs – “My Favorite Husband,” starring Lucille Ball – followed by a lot of music and then silence as everybody in the apartments got a restful night’s sleep. Neither group of shadow figures ever made a move.

Morning Day Three

Fermanagh was visibly confused and shame-faced at his report that morning. He recounted the events of the night before as summed up on the police blotter, but he botched things and had to do it twice – he’d even mentioned Andres as a murder victim! Andres had cleared his throat and Fermanagh had started over, finally getting it out clearly.

“We’re wrapping up our post-mortem review of Drisos and we have the other ones in the pipeline.”

Fermanagh was flustered, and probably happy that he was specifically excluded from the lynch candidates by Tosa’s instructions.

“Thanks SO much chief,” said Andres, “Now let me outline the procedures for this evenings vote and any punishments meted out…”

OOC

1. Voting will conclude at 1500 HRS EST, 11 Feb 08 (2000 GMT).

2. Please remember that in addition to any lynch votes, you must select a Director for days 4 & 5.

3. I’ll try to remember that the director actually receives protection the nights before their lynch vote chairings.

4. Here’s a Full list of players to date:

Still Alive: (76) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Andres, Beefy187, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, Chimpyang, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, Fahad I, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KamiKhaan, Killfr3nzy, Kommodus, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, molonthegreat, Moros, Motep, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, Omanes Alexandrapolites, Pannonian, pevergreen, Proletariat, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, Rythmic, sapi, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, taka, The Stranger, Tiberius of the Drake, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, woad&fangs, x-dANGEr, Xdeathfire, Xehh II, Xiahou, Zorg.

Attacked: (8) Beefy187 (N1), Glenn (N1, N2), Xdeathfire (N1), Andres (N2), taka (N2), GeneralHankerchief (N2), Cowhead418 (N2)

Murdered: (2) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2)

Lynched: (1) pevergreen (D2)

Removed from Play: (0)

shlin28

02-10-2008, 19:29

Vote Tiberius of the Drake

Self-proclaimed bandwagon.

The Stranger

02-10-2008, 20:26

andres was dead... and now he is not...? mistake by seamus or sumthing else?

Charge

02-10-2008, 20:35

director :smash:

Dutch_guy

02-10-2008, 21:13

andres was dead... and now he is not...? mistake by seamus or sumthing else?

Yes, Seamus is only human after all.

:balloon2:

Tratorix

02-10-2008, 21:14

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

Unless he shows up to refute that pm that Pannonian posted, he should die.

Also, I think we might have some sort of supernatural doctor role going on here. Both Beefy187 and taka were both attacked and should have been killed, except that they were miraculously saved in some way that defies explanation.

Husar

02-10-2008, 21:24

I'm a bit unsure who to vote for, I'm somewhat tired but I remember that several people said GH is most likely guilty. I really don't remember the details so I think I will sleep over it and wait for a few more opinions before putting down my vote.

Crazed Rabbit

02-10-2008, 21:39

andres was dead... and now he is not...? mistake by seamus or sumthing else?

Mistake, I believe. In the second write-up:

He recounted the events of the night before as summed up on the police blotter, but he botched things and had to do it twice – he’d even mentioned Andres as a murder victim! Andres had cleared his throat and Fermanagh had started over, finally getting it out clearly.

Thoughts on the night:
GH was attacked by the folks who killed Drisos - the fake Asian and the other guy.

But why wasn't the other guy there tonight? Drisos' death was clearly a mob hit. Two gangsters usually don't screw up like a group of townies might.

The fake Asian must have thought that his partner was going to be there, as is evident from the story. So what could have prevented his partner?

Cowhead, taka, and Lord Winter were all headed home when attacked. Glenn is a don and so wouldn't participate in killings.

That leaves Andres, who was coincidentally the director. It seems like the combination of being attacked (by mob hit men it would appear) and being constantly surrounded by police meant he couldn't make it to help kill GH.

Vote: Andres

Suspected Mafia:
Glenn & Jimbob maybe twilitblade?
Andres
Tiberius & GH
The stranger

Louis VI the Fat

02-10-2008, 21:47

Might as well share my thoughts and questions on last night's events:GeneralHankerchief had just stepped out of the cab when it happened. Before he could even straighten up fully he was staring into the barrel of a handgun – looking like a cannon to him from his viewpoint – so he stopped.

“Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent.

GeneralHankerchief saw the cabby running up the block, and knew with a sinking certainty that he’d be sitting back down next to another gunman who’d entered from the street side and that this ride would be his last. He sat back down anyway – not much choice – while the first gunman went around to the driver’s seat.

GeneralHankerchief turned to see who the second gunman was. An empty seat? There was nobody else in the cab! Stunned, but not willing to miss a chance, Generalhankerchief bolted out of his door exactly as the “Asian” gunman climbed into the driver’s seat. He was 40 feet away and doging and weaving toward a crowd of tourists – currently arguing with two Fatlington cops about a parking ticket – when the gunman got a line on him with his weapon. The gunman paused.

It was too much of a distance for the silenced hand-cannon to stay accurate at a moving target and too many eyes and cops down range. The gunman made the professional choice, got in the cab quietly without any sudden motions, and drove away. GeneralHankerchief faded into the crowd.
One attacker. From the same 'Asian accent' people that killed Drisos. The attack on Drisos succeeded with two men. So not renegade wiseguys. This means this attack on GH was carried out by mafia.

Yet it failed. Why? Betrayal? A mess-up with the orders?

GH is scum himself. Is there a nice inter-mafia war going on already?

Cowhead418 had a quiet dinner and headed back to his apartment. Heading up the stairs to the 3rd floor flat he was slammed into from above by somebody jumping over the landing railing above to hammer him down. He blacked out.

When he awoke, he found he had been carried into his apartment, bound, gagged and tied to a chair. On the table coffee table in front of him was a lit candle….and he could hear and smell the gas that was hissing from the stove in his kitchen. In moments the gas would rise to the level of the candle and…

A key fumbled in his lock and in came his batty landlady!

“That putz! He left the gas running and his pilot light is out. He’ll blow the whole block apart. It’s a lucky thing the movie was so bad, or I wouldn’t have come back for hours…”

Cowhead418 mumbled trying to get her attention. She never heard him. She did, however, stop the gas, turn on his window fan and leave his apartment, all the while never noticing him and muttering comments about his doubtful intelligence.

Cowhead418 took hours to smash the chair and extricate himself. Other than bruises from being dropped on, he was in good shape. He’d never be quite as frustrated with his dingbat landlady again.
Don't really know what to make of this. One attacker. The landlady sounds random, not like a doctor / surgeon / luca.
Some weird attempted hit by a wiseguy / twonie, who failed to persuade his accomplices? A hit by a single mafioso?

I don't understand this at all. Somebody?

Why was Cowhead a target?

Andres wasn’t expecting to be attacked as he stepped out of the restaurant – too many people and too bright an area – but his reactions were lightning fast when the trench-coated attacker began to level a shotgun at him. Andres spun and rolled, putting himself behind a marble bench at the restaurant entrance while Fermanagh’s police leaped forward – just a little late – to save the day. The attackers were professionals – they had escape routes ready – and quickly beat a retreat before the policemen could do more than form a protective cordon around Andres. Nobody had attacked a director before! But the protection around one is a bit hard to break through – even it Fermanagh didn’t do much else promptly or correctly.

The previous write up mentioned this as a hit by the Barzini family. Well, one thing is for certain - at least one family are a bunch of amateurs. Can't kill a director. ~;p

Andres wasn't protected by town / luca. He was killed in write-up one, the director role saved him in the second write-up. So probably no don then. No other special protective function.

Why was Andres a target for the Barzini's?

taka was taking his usual drive home – a well lit street that was well patrolled and therefore safe – when his car was boxed in and stopped by several vehicles. In Fatlington, safe is a relative term.

Tommy guns were coming up and starting to hose lead almost as the vehicle ground to a halt. The range was less than ten feet and there was not a chance they would miss. Police were responding in under 30 seconds, sirens blaring and several cars converging on the scene, but in that half minute more than 300 rounds had been emptied from the drum magazines of the tommy guns. The assailant’s cars sped quickly into side streets and were quickly abandoned as the gunmen clear the scene.

To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.
'Several' shooters. No mark of a mafia attempt. So renegade townies / wiseguys. No protection, just sheer luck. So probably no don then. No other special protective function.

The attackers probably failed to get the correct amount of attackers to send orders. Betrayal? A mess-up?
The narrow escape is very reminiscent of Glenn's escape in night one. 300 rounds fired, all miraculously missed.

Why was Taka a target?

Glenn was sitting at a café – his back to a brick wall – worried about his chances of making it to the next meeting and hoping that his protector would still be there. He heared a commotion at the back of the café and reached for a recently purchased revolver in his pocket.

The assailant burst into the café from the back, flinging two masked individuals aside to crash into the back booths and making stright for Glenn. Glenn fired two rounds quickly straight and true into the center of mass. The opponent slowed, grunted, and continued forward breaking a statue of St. Michael across Glenn’s temple. Glenn dropped back into his seat unconscious.

The assailant started to lift Glenn, only to stop when he heard the twin clicks of a double-barreled shotgun being cocked to fire.

“Leave him be,” said the lone gunman. The masked assailant paused, let go of Glenn, and sobbing ran from the front of the café. The shotgun wielder leaned down to Glenn, checked for a pulse – steady – and then left.

Glenn would suffer no more than a mild concussion, though he wouldn’t be free of his headaches for some time. The police never figured out the purpose of the van abandoned at the back of the café. In the back had been a sharp filleting knife, two large helium tanks, and 4 weather balloons with the legend “deu 32:35” printed on them.
My, people certainly believe Glenn to be special. Second attempt in two consecutive nights.

'deu 32:35' - is that the mafia mark of yet another family? Or the sign of an 'anti-Glenn' from the dark side? Why was there only a single attacker? Another betrayal / order mess-up?
Or did the three masked men belong together?

Why did Glenn have a gun? Just literary license from Seamus? Or a function of Glenn's role? The gun didn't do any good. Glenn was saved by somebody else.

Lord Winter was cagey – walking home to his apartment via the boardwalk so that he could be sure there were plenty of people around. It would not be enough. A section of boards collapsed beneath him dumping him onto the sand below where a masked figure clubbed him into unconsciousness.

He was injected with a lethal dose of heroin shortly thereafter – mostly to keep him unconscious as he faded out. He was tied, gagged and given a heavy set of cement boots – actually a galvanized tub filled with drying cement – and dropped into 20 feet of water at the end of the pier. He was, fortunately, dead from the overdose before he slipped under the water. His remains would never be found – except by the crabs.

Huh? A succesful single killer? That would indicate a special role. The return of the serial kiler?

Why was Lord Winter targeted?

Two groups of shadowy figures faced one another on the roofs and alleys surrounding JimBob’s apartment. Figures would catch a glimpse of one another and freeze, poised for action – but nothing happened. The only sound came from the radio blaring in Ajaxfetish’s apartment next door to JimBobs – “My Favorite Husband,” starring Lucille Ball – followed by a lot of music and then silence as everybody in the apartments got a restful night’s sleep. Neither group of shadow figures ever made a move.

What's all this about? Two groups of shadowy figures? Yet no attempt? Is there a rule that if two groups attack the same person on the same night both fail?
JimBob was picked as a victim. Just like Glenn. The mafia getting nervous about them yet?

What's that stuff about Ajaxfetish all about?

Tiberius of the Drake

02-10-2008, 21:55

KukriKhan

02-10-2008, 21:58

Select: (Director for days 4 & 5) Kagemusha. He seems town-ish to me.

I await any detective investigation(s) reveals before voting a lynch. (Glenn and/or JimBob may be exonerated as Don/Luca, but both seem to have some special role/ability.

CountArach

02-10-2008, 22:02

Glenn is still suspicious in my eyes (Plus we agreed to lynch him and decide on JimBob later) and we can still utilise the multiple lynch rule.

Vote: Glenn

As for Director, it seems that it did Andres some good. He was a target and why should we waste the protection it gives him?

Select: Andres

@ Tiberius - An interesting point, can we hear a rebuttal from anyone?

Tiberius of the Drake

02-10-2008, 22:02

this is just my vote for director:

Select: Louis VI the Fat his post about the events of last night makes me think that hhe would make a good director

Xehh II

02-10-2008, 22:09

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

Same reason as everyone else I guess.

Louis VI the Fat

02-10-2008, 22:15

Mistake, I believe. In the second write-up:

Thoughts on the night:
GH was attacked by the folks who killed Drisos - the fake Asian and the other guy.

But why wasn't the other guy there tonight? Drisos' death was clearly a mob hit. Two gangsters usually don't screw up like a group of townies might.

The fake Asian must have thought that his partner was going to be there, as is evident from the story. So what could have prevented his partner?

Cowhead, taka, and Lord Winter were all headed home when attacked. Glenn is a don and so wouldn't participate in killings.

That leaves Andres, who was coincidentally the director. It seems like the combination of being attacked (by mob hit men it would appear) and being constantly surrounded by police meant he couldn't make it to help kill GH.

Vote: Andres

Suspected Mafia:
Glenn & Jimbob maybe twilitblade?
Andres
Tiberius & GH
The stranger Scummy post, CR. Come on, you can do better.

Why would all five hits be connected? There is obviously not a single group with the manpower to do so. Why are they all suspects simply for being attacked last night all of a sudden? What do you mean, 'that leaves Andres'? It all makes no sense.

And you are an experienced player, you know full well that:
- the director is free to go out killing at night.
- you can go out killing yourself even when you are being attacked
- that the hit on Andres wasn't a mob hit, but a mafia hit, by the Barzini's. You read the first write-up, you say so yourself.

Those are three deliberate lies / misinformations. Three strikes is out, I'm afraid.

Eager to lynch Andres, are we? Do you belong to the same Barzini muppets who tried to kill Andres last night? Well you can't kill him today either, he's still director. ~;p

Maybe Andres is mafia. Maybe he is not. I don't know. But CR's post is such a bad attempt at an analysis that I can't believe it is not intentional misinformation. The first part about GH and his 'Asian' attackers is spot on. So is the bit about the different write-ups. CR is clearly paying attention and has a good grasp of the game mechanics. Yet what follows after that is such a mockery of a serious analysis it is simply beggars belief.

Drisos

02-10-2008, 22:16

As for Director, it seems that it did Andres some good. He was a target and why should we waste the protection it gives him?

Select: Andres

hmm, if mafiosi kill each other it's actually good for town, I think. do you know more about andres? I'd prefer him dead, really.

also, can someone quote the pm from tiberiusOTdrake? I haven't got it, as dead guy. (perhaps a clue, too?)

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-10-2008, 22:19

There is something I would like to point out, After reading the write up at least three times. I noticed something. Now correct me if Im wrong but not once is Beefy even mentioned in ther write up. Not even as a passing fancy.No attempt was made on Beefy last night If Pannonian's pm were true there would have been at least a failed attempt mentioned. Has anyone else noticed that the supposed Pm in question could have been fabricated. By posting this "evidence" It seems to me that for some reason Pannonian and Woad&Fangs have something in the works that in the end will see me dead. And the question remains, why in the world would I target Beefy? He is a person who is usaully lynched within the first couple rounds, or is killed by Mafia. in almost game Ive played Beefy is always a high profile character, so if i was trying to keep a lo profile why would I kill him? So nefore you go and Bandwagon me any further I thinl you should examine the people that bought forth this supposed evidence against me.I must say Tiberius that your post sounds stereotypical "desperate Mafioso trying to save himself". Fairly desperate, and also extreemly rushed.

Although I do consider your reasoning regarding why you wouldn't want to attack Beefy sensible, there is a flaw in your logic - at the time the PM was posted, and if you were targeting Beefy, you still had time to PM Seamus and withdraw your kill on him so you could false claim Pannonion's PM.

This may also explain this lone attack on GH - you withdrew from Beefy and then later decided to chase after GH. Although your accomplice had gained the PM withdrawing the attack on Beefy, he didn't receive his orders to murder GH in time for the night phase's conclusion.

Pannonian

02-10-2008, 22:23

There is something I would like to point out, After reading the write up at least three times. I noticed something. Now correct me if Im wrong but not once is Beefy even mentioned in ther write up. Not even as a passing fancy.No attempt was made on Beefy last night If Pannonian's pm were true there would have been at least a failed attempt mentioned. Has anyone else noticed that the supposed Pm in question could have been fabricated. By posting this "evidence" It seems to me that for some reason Pannonian and Woad&Fangs have something in the works that in the end will see me dead. And the question remains, why in the world would I target Beefy? He is a person who is usaully lynched within the first couple rounds, or is killed by Mafia. in almost game Ive played Beefy is always a high profile character, so if i was trying to keep a lo profile why would I kill him? So nefore you go and Bandwagon me any further I thinl you should examine the people that bought forth this supposed evidence against me.

so
Vote:Pannonian
Fos:W&F
The man arrives!

Firstly, why would there be an attempt on Beefy once the desired help has been refused? If there has been no attempt on him, how would that exonerate you? Secondly, would you like to explain why on earth I would stick my neck out to lie to get you lynched? Have you been such a prominently effective townie in past games that a mafia family would wish to get rid of you at whatever cost, even to the extent of fabricating a fake PM? Or are you a special townie role player that a mafia family wants rid of ASAP?

Remember, I introduced that PM, without any special prompting, so it wasn't produced under pressure. Ichigo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1827996&postcount=849) asked for my thoughts in general, at which point I quoted (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828008&postcount=853) said PM.

CountArach

02-10-2008, 22:25

Although I do consider your reasoning regarding why you wouldn't want to attack Beefy sensible, there is a flaw in your logic - at the time the PM was posted, and if you were targeting Beefy, you still had time to PM Seamus and withdraw your kill on him so you could false claim Pannonion's PM.
Actually the deadline had passed, and that is why pannonian posted it I believe.

Pannonian

02-10-2008, 22:27

I must say Tiberius that your post sounds stereotypical "desperate Mafioso trying to save himself". Fairly desperate, and also extreemly rushed.

Although I do consider your reasoning regarding why you wouldn't want to attack Beefy sensible, there is a flaw in your logic - at the time the PM was posted, and if you were targeting Beefy, you still had time to PM Seamus and withdraw your kill on him so you could false claim Pannonion's PM.

This may also explain this lone attack on GH - you withdrew from Beefy and then later decided to chase after GH. Although your accomplice had gained the PM withdrawing the attack on Beefy, he didn't receive his orders to murder GH in time for the night phase's conclusion.
I don't think he had tiime to withdraw his claim by the time the PM was posted - I checked with Ichigo for precisely this, and Ichigo replied that the deadline was 4 hours past, and I thus felt safe enough to post the PM without fear of a reaction. However, if w&f refused to go along with the attack (or just didn't reply), then they might have decided not to go ahead with the Beefy attack.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-10-2008, 22:29

Actually the deadline had passed, and that is why pannonian posted it I believe.Sorry - I thought the deadline was hit the moment Seamus began posting the write-ups ~:(

GeneralHankerchief

02-10-2008, 22:35

GH is scum himself. Is there a nice inter-mafia war going on already?

Uh, again; No, I'm not.

Still waiting for a response, Omanes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1829260&postcount=1002).

Select: GeneralHankerchief

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-10-2008, 22:38

Omanes, name me one thing I haven't done that I've been asked to do.It's not necessarily a matter of what you haven't done, it's more a matter of what you have, the piled up levels of evidence against you, and the feebleness of many aspects of your defence.

GeneralHankerchief

02-10-2008, 22:39

Feebleness?

Please, point these "feeble" defenses out.

-edit- And tell me where these piles of evidence are too, because as far as I can tell, I don't see anything.

Tiberius of the Drake

02-10-2008, 22:40

Geese A guy gets sick for one day and he accused of being Mafia.

anyways...

in response to Omanes:

as I said,there would be no reason for me to kill Beefy. Also I would Like to say that the only Pm's that I have sent to Seamus were for the investigations that I performed on Night 2 as i missed the deadline for night 1.

@Pannonian-Now that you've forced my hand I guess there is only one way to respond. In my role Pm it said that i was a "special role". My role was that of Agent. A detective like role that allowed me to, once in the game, to investiagte two people in one night and count that dual investgation as one, in .The only issue is that there is achance that with the dual investigation I could be discovered in the process. On night 2 I investigated Woad&Fangs and GH.

the results were:
Woad&Fangs:Criminal

GH:Innocent

unfortunately for me, my identity must have been revealed when I was investigating and as pannonian said W&F forwarded the pm to him, W&F must have run off to his little friend, to tell. And now that I reconsider, this info. it makes W&F look more like the mafia than Pannonian, but Vote remains the same for the time being.And now that this is public knowledge, If im not lynched first, i will most assuredly be killed tonight. :frown:

GeneralHankerchief

02-10-2008, 22:43

Reveal PM please. Or is that one all in red too?

Cowhead418

02-10-2008, 22:49

PershsNhpios

02-10-2008, 22:53

Ha ha ha.. I don't know wether to laugh or cry!

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SEAMUS
How much can we base speculation on your night action write ups?

Now - Pannonian is certainly a more trusted character in my eyes than Tiberius of the Drake.
And Tiberius has completely ignored a huge bandwagon against him - I would vote for him, because he is on my suspected list.

However - I have been through a bandwagon and I know how easy it is for an innocent to be lynched when people start typing your name and saying, "Same reason as the others".

If you are all innocents, we should play this game fairly - What else have we got on Tiberius?

***

Next - I said I would tell of my night actions, and I will.
I investigated CrazedRabbit.
The results were that he was innocent.
Now, either he is a very naive townie, or he is a don, or he has some kind of role which shows up innocent.
We have no way of proving the latter.
The question is - does he behave as a don?

***

I want to find out today: Vote: CrazedRabbit

CountArach

02-10-2008, 22:54

And Tiberius has completely ignored a huge bandwagon against him - I would vote for him, because he is on my suspected list.
Would you care to share this list with everyone else, along with the accompanying reasoning?

Ummmm..... why did you vote for someone who came up Innocent... that helps no one unless you have reason to believe he is a Don...

I wish I could vote for you twice, you are so obviously scum.

Haudegen

02-10-2008, 22:56

the results were:
Woad&Fangs:Criminal

Hmm, I have strong reasons to believe that w&f is a townie. I advise all townies to pay close attention to a certain posting, w&f made 2 or 3 days ago.

unvote: twilightblade
vote Tiberius

Capotally 1033
Tiberius of the Drake 14: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow, Dutch_guy, Myrddraal, ajaxfetish, Haudegen, GH, shlin, Brave Sir Robin, Xehh II)
twilightblade 1: (Tran)
General Hankerchief 2: (Prole, Omanes)
Andres 1: (CR)
pannonian 1: (Tiberius)
Glenn 1: (Count Arach)

The Stranger

02-10-2008, 22:57

select: The Stranger

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-10-2008, 23:04

Please, point these "feeble" defenses out.Feebleness is a matter of perception, although I find this explaination (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1828165#post1828165) to be fairly high on that rating. Although it does in a way explain your thoughts in a fairly mediocre fasion, the latter parts of it show off what you were accused of - a posting style which compares very closely with your style as a mafia type role in the past.
-edit- And tell me where these piles of evidence are too, because as far as I can tell, I don't see anything.There was first your aggressiveness and style, although later you simply ignored everything that was flung at you - mainly because it was only me who was still noting it.

As time progressed, others began to focus on you also, which resulted in you fighting back in a similar style once again, as if to try and save yourself now you felt the need to. I'm not sure if it's just me, but I associate a period of ignorance followed by a spurt of rapidly posted come backs as reasonably scummy behaviour. I would expect an innocent to be a little more constant - did you have something to hide that you were afraid of revealing?

There also is the "criminal" result that a detective has said to have got on you. Of course this could make you a wise guy, and I'm not too sure about the result's reliability, but it moves me to think you are slightly closer to the mafia than you are to the town.

Tiberius of the Drake

02-10-2008, 23:07

Role

Agent

Victory Condition

You are a special agent sent in by the government. Your mission is to prevent future proliferation of Mafia activities. You are sanctioned to do whatever is necessary to achieve this goal.

Powers & Responsibilities

A. General:

1. You may not “break bad” as your loyalty to the government has decided the path of your life.

2. If your identity is at any time questioned, you are on your own as the government will deny your existence.

3. If you participate in two successful protection groups, you will have the option of becoming a doctor, but you will lose the abilities of your original role. This choice will only be given to you once.

5. red section cannot be revealed

B. Day Actions:

1. You vote/select as does any other player.

C. Night Actions:

1. If desired, you may combine with 3 other townies/ and or wiseguys to kill another player.

2. In addition, you may investigate one person each night. Once during the game you can perform two investigations in one night but there is a chance of your identity becoming known to one of the players being investigated.
3. You may participate in a townie protection group, but you cannot provide any protection value so any protection team where you are not an “extra” WILL fail.

D. Investigations:

1. It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “unclear” or “criminal” because of your secretive nature.You will only register as “guilty” on the night of a killing if you have participated in that killing.

2. When investigating a person, you will learn if they are “criminal” (Mades, Lucas, most Wise Guys), “Unclear” (Some Wise Guys, a few Townies) or “Innocent” (Dons, Most Townies, Detectives, Doctors, Surgeons, and the FBI Detective). Additional investigations of the same target have 1 chance in 6 of revealing the player’s starting role (1 in 36 for Dons).

Role changes:
You only may change your role if the circumstances mentioned above allow it.

this is my role pm do you still doubt me?

CountArach

02-10-2008, 23:10

Why does it skip 4 and then go to 5?

Crazed Rabbit

02-10-2008, 23:13

Scummy post, CR. Come on, you can do better.

Why would all five hits be connected? There is obviously not a single group with the manpower to do so.

What? I did not say they were.

Why are they all suspects simply for being attacked last night all of a sudden? What do you mean, 'that leaves Andres'? It all makes no sense.

And you are an experienced player, you know full well that:
- the director is free to go out killing at night.
- you can go out killing yourself even when you are being attacked
- that the hit on Andres wasn't a mob hit, but a mafia hit, by the Barzini's. You read the first write-up, you say so yourself.

Some points - No I didn't read the first write-up, but the second said the attackers were professionals, so I knew from that. Also, for me mob hit=mafia hit.

Finally, I was working from the available evidence:

For some reason, the partner supposed to help kill GH didn't show. Now, what information in the write-up can we analyze? Assuming the other killer simply didn't get his PM in. That leads me to believe it's Andres, as I stated before.

Next - I said I would tell of my night actions, and I will.
I investigated CrazedRabbit.
The results were that he was innocent.

Wow, some truth out of you for once.

Now, either he is a very naive townie, or he is a don, or he has some kind of role which shows up innocent.

Very naive? Once again we see you attacking anyone who questions you!

You, sir, are the don!

PEOPLE - last round we were going to kill Glenn off because he is a Don! Why has attention turned from him? Remember, made gangsters can investigate!

This is just like when Prole came under suspicion in Capo I after she was saved by her Luca on night one. The town failed there by not lynching her then. Let's not make the same mistake in Capo II.

CR

Charge

02-10-2008, 23:13

this is my role pm do you still doubt me?
yes, doubt :)

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-10-2008, 23:14

this is my role pm do you still doubt me?I must say that there is a key error in there:

3. If you participate in two successful protection groups, you will have the option of becoming a doctor, but you will lose the abilities of your original role. This choice will only be given to you once.And then this:

3. You may participate in a townie protection group, but you cannot provide any protection value so any protection team where you are not an “extra” WILL fail.Although it is a vague possibility, I must confess that it does sound a little unlikely that both of the statements could be true.

On the other hand, the speech marks do seem like the ones created in Seamus' "real" PMs (oriented left/right speech marks rather than flat ones). I do doubt that Tiberius will have noticed this, although this could be dismissed as certain aspects of the PM being stolen from his true PM.

Haudegen

02-10-2008, 23:17

And the description of the victory conditions is quite unclear. I would have expected detailed information here. Who do you have to eliminate in order to win. Preventing future mafia proliferation, wtf?

PershsNhpios

02-10-2008, 23:17

Ahhh.

I withdraw the comment about Tiberius not attempting defense.
I have read everything.

Now - we have all established Tiberius as a prime suspect - with terrific evidence from a so far trusted person here in the public, Pannonian.

However, we have forgotten the other night actions!

Why was Taka attacked?

Why would anyone attack Lord Winter?

What have these two done to deserve death?

The first thing I can think of that does not require speculation is that the Mafia have found targets on the public forums who are obvious, but also protected, so they are instead picking off the dangerous loners who are silent enough to stave off suspicion, but too silent to have protection from anybody.

Can someone backtrack through the posts of these two?

***

Also, can everyone give reasons as to why they are electing a certain governor?

***

If I were someone under the greatest suspicion, I would not apprehend much belief to be found in what I said.
Investigation results require a certain amount of faith from at least some people to have some effect on a person's decisions.
So if I were Tiberius, under that much scrutiny, I would not reveal detective results as they would not be taken seriously.

For this reason, I wonder why you proclaim GH innocent, and W&F criminal, when you have neither attacked or defended either before.

***

I don't know what it is in your attitude, GH, but it simply doesn't feel right - why don't you simply ignore the odd, trivial claim against you?
Most people do, yet you are always absolutely certain that you have answered all questions and there are no loose ends.
Is GH always like this in Mafia games?

****

Crazy Hare, settle down - I assure you no one has forgotten I am guilty, I think in fact that you, CountArach and Rythmic are making a little club to ensure I'm not forgotten.

The only question is, were any of you in a club before then?
Do any of you come from the same family?

Do note, everybody, how CrazedRabbit first claims me to be a Don, then gives terrible evidence against me being a criminal because Made Gangsters can investigate.

Tiberius of the Drake

02-10-2008, 23:19

At least in my experiance, Proliferation=spreading. so my job is to prevent Mafia activities from spreading

Seamus Fermanagh

02-10-2008, 23:21

- the director is free to go out killing at night.

This is not correct. If I have been unclear my apologies, but the Director is escorted by police all night and cannot participate in an "active" night action. Investigations (made, detective, FBI) can occur, and possibly some other "special" abilities, but nothing else.

Haudegen

02-10-2008, 23:22

At least in my experiance, Proliferation=spreading. so my job is to prevent Mafia activities from spreading

You´re missing the point. Your victory conditions don´t give any substantial information on the conditions when you can claim victory in this game.

edit:
And CA´s question remained unanswered so far ...

KukriKhan

02-10-2008, 23:24

Role changes:
You only may change your role if the circumstances mentioned above allow it.

That phrasing is not Seamus-like. He would have written: "You may only change..."

I suspect that role PM has been 'doctored'.

Pannonian

02-10-2008, 23:25

I must say that there is a key error in there:
And then this:Although it is a vague possibility, I must confess that it does sound a little unlikely that both of the statements could true.
Methinks someone has slipped up in not sufficiently editing their Made role PM. Which brings an interesting thought.

If no detectives show up, then how about we get Glenn and jimbob to participate in protection groups, protecting a target we deem dispensable? Have another, killing group (perhaps whoever is left and active from pevergreen's earlier group) attacks that target so we can test the effectiveness of the protection. If either of them is a Made, the group they're in will fail. What's more, the killing group itself can be tested, as Mades will only register as guilty on the night of their murders, while wise guys and townies will be tainted from that point onwards.

PershsNhpios

02-10-2008, 23:29

Louis VI the Fat

02-10-2008, 23:34

Some points - No I didn't read the first write-up, but the second said the attackers were professionals, so I knew from that. Also, for me mob hit=mafia hit.You are correct. You do indeed refer to the mafia as 'mob'. My mistake.

I felt obliged to state this publicly.

Pannonian

02-10-2008, 23:38

Pannonian, I appreciate you want to see I us both cleared.
But that is alot of manpower, which means I would be unprotected and I would die, and that would mean your target would probably die.

Yes, I had a protection group, no I won't say who they were, that would be stupid. That is the reason why I asked Seamus how much we can rely on his night action write ups, unless someone else like a doctor or surgeon overwrote my P group, then he made a mistake in that detail.
So you don't want any part in anything that might actively clear you, while you parade abilities which are available to Mades as well as detectives. In which case we might as well keep you alive while you give us investigation results, and lynch you when you get one wrong, or when you dry up. If you're a Made who's doing the investigating, then you could still be useful to the town if you give us your investigation results, although there may be a price to be paid if you manage to persuade a wise guy to join your work, or if you throw your Luca into the action. Still, that might be a price worth paying in the short term.

Andres

02-10-2008, 23:40

CR, if you still think Glenn is a Don, then why aren't you voting him?

And the reasoning for your vote on me is bad.

a) The rules don't say that someone who is being attacked cannot participate in other night actions. Remember : I got saved, so I could have performed my night action;
b) There are 75 other players who could have forgotten to send in their night orders.

Since I can need the protection against the Barzini's:

Select : Andres

Vote : Glenn

Did someone bother to investigate both Glenn and Jimbob?

:inquisitive:

FactionHeir

02-10-2008, 23:41

So uh why are we voting for people during the night phase and the current day phase? I thought this was supposed to be a selection phase or am I missing something?

PershsNhpios

02-10-2008, 23:43

Tiberius of the Drake

02-10-2008, 23:48

At this point theres nothing I can say that will convince you that Im not Mafia so Im going to just be quiet and await my death.

CountArach

02-10-2008, 23:52

So uh why are we voting for people during the night phase and the current day phase? I thought this was supposed to be a selection phase or am I missing something?
We must both lynch someone and select a director.

@ Tiberius - There are things you can do, like answer our questions about your PM.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-10-2008, 23:53

Well, I have been receiving investigation results since yesterday. I shall share these with the town.

Night One:

Andres:Criminal

Night Two:

Jimbob:Innocent
Crazed Rabbit: Innocent

I promise you these are 100% accurate. There was no explanation why I received only one result for night one. Let me say that I am not a detective, I am a townie and I shan't reveal any information about my source, take the results or leave them.

Now, two major things from these. The first is that Andres should be lynched. The second is that it appears that Jimbob and Glenn aren't mafia...unless there is some other force at work here (the wolf in cap I could make guilty people appear innocent). But they are certainly liars:

Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated -

I'm not sure what should be done with them. There might be some twist in the story that seamus put in that hasn't come to light yet. Right now I think our priority should be to lynch Tiberius and HannibalBarc(if kommudus's new metric works then we'd be foolish not to test it) today. Andres can't be lynched as he is director unfortunatly, so he can be taken care of tomorrow.

I'll Vote:hannibalbarc to even things up (for double lynch) and will Select:Sasaki for director and would ask the rest of you to do the same.

Pannonian

02-10-2008, 23:55

...

Well, you are a little fast off the mark there Pannonian.
I did not disagree neither did I agree.
I want to know if you have that many contacts who will both form a protection group and an attacking group, and if that many people will want to waste an entire phase with one experiment.
Am I that important?

How many people here want to put in such a large effort to confirm me, and risk their own lives in doing so?
I will die, because no doubt the people who protected me will be involved in this as probable innocents. I can be fairly sure that I will be attacked every night until the end of the game now.

Moreso - Who is going to trust me enough to be the target?
Given that you're talked about so much, leaving you untested is going to derail all discussions while you're around, so using a couple of phases to rule you out should be worthwhile, especially since we can test other ideas in the meanwhile (eg. the killing group's towniness). If both protection efforts succeed, then you're both able to take part in protection groups, which it seems from Tiberius' role PM Mades cannot. In that case, we won't be able to test the killing group's towniness, but at least we'll have established your towniness. If either protection group fails, then one of you was a Made, and we can lynch both of you, while any watching detectives may then check the killing group's status. To test you, we need 6 volunteers: 2 for the protection group which you and jimbob will take part in, and 4 for the killing group. The victim can be someone like GH whom few trust and many suspect (pevergreen would have been the perfect example, but he's dead already).

Andres

02-10-2008, 23:56

I promise you these are 100% accurate.

:laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

02-10-2008, 23:57

Okay, so just to clarify Omanes:

- Your two main arguments are my "feeble" defenses and the "evidence" against me. We'll further break down the "evidence" into two parts: Posting behavior and that one possible Detective result against me.

Regarding the first argument, you yourself say that:

Feebleness is a matter of perception

And then you contended that it was consistent with my earlier patterns that were identified, which were defended, meaning WIFOM.

Secondly, posting behavior.

That's not evidence. It's one massive WIFOM.

I could think of a thousand defenses and there's no way you can either pick them apart or realize that they're rock solid, and there's no way to tell whether I could be lying or not, so this part of your case against me is entirely subjective.

Thirdly, the "detective claim":

Of course this could make you a wise guy, and I'm not too sure about the result's reliability

Thank you.

PershsNhpios

02-10-2008, 23:58

Sasaki - I believe your results.
I will check my PM.. I may of done something as stupid as say we would instead of we may, in any case - you are probably all past believing that, or are you?
Wether you are or not, that part of my PM was red and I can't go back and quote it any more lest I be banned from the game.

I can only say I did not lie, but probably misquoted by a word.

I hope this confirms my investigation of CR, but it doesn't do anything for my suspicion of him.
I would like Kommodus and his Holmes to tell me what the opinion of CR is.

I believe you Sasaki, mostly because you have the same results as I, and because you are looking at multiple options, when there are others who would have simply nominated me a liar and bandwagoned me.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 00:04

Pannonian, I reluctantly agree to this, but I wish you would of suggested it privately.
Everybody who is participating in this operation publicly is going to be a Mafia target, including you.
I would like to confirm my innocence to you this obviously, but I am worried that we are leaving everyone too vulnerable.
You may be killing alot of innocent people, including myself, but then again you may lynch me and alot of innocent people anyway - though it seems we are on the right track today.

If you can gather the right people, I agree, and I also await Jimbob's opinion, who is currently inactive.

Also - don't forget that Andres could be a wiseguy, Sasaki - we need more evidence.

****

I don't like the way Tiberius simply gave up publicly in the hope someone else would pity him - I am the closest who has come to that for my own Day 2 experience - but I think he may be guilty of at least something, even if I can't claim what.

Tiberius of the Drake

02-11-2008, 00:06

@ Tiberius - There are things you can do, like answer our questions about your PM.

which questions? all the questions ive attempted to answer have been met by "sound" reasoning that others have taken as gospel.

And I also find it weird that people accept Sasaki's results without question:gah2:

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 00:08

Pannonian, I reluctantly agree to this, but I wish you would of suggested it privately.
Everybody who is participating in this operation publicly is going to be a Mafia target, including you.
I would like to confirm my innocence to you this obviously, but I am worried that we are leaving everyone too vulnerable.
You may be killing alot of innocent people, including myself, but then again you may lynch me and alot of innocent people anyway - though it seems we are on the right track today.

If you can gather the right people, I agree, and I also await Jimbob's opinion, who is currently inactive.

Also - don't forget that Andres could be a wiseguy, Sasaki - we need more evidence.
If Sasaki has access to a detective, then the original plan will do me fine without the need for any group actions. Perhaps I'm a dolt for doing so, but I'm trusting Sasaki enough in this game for this.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 00:09

CountArach

02-11-2008, 00:10

@ Tiberius - Our questions are why you skip number 4 on your role PM and why something is phrased differently to how Seamus would phrase it.

I'm not sure about Sasaki's investigation, but I have a theory that he knows the FBI detective, who investigated him on the fist night(A popular choice) and perhaps Sasaki came up innocent. Seeing this, the FBI detective might have contacted him and used him as someone to communicate with the rest of us. Any thoughts on this?

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 00:11

That just gave me a thought.

Sasaki, before anyone goes further on your investigations - why did you only investigate one person on Night 1?
As far as I know, you had no reason to suspect Andres then, nor any great reason to suspect CR on Night 2?

What were you reasons for suspecting these two?
Andres and CR are perennial suspects in Org Mafia games, as are Sasaki and Kommodus. Kommo has a fondness for fingering me as scum too. Together, we form a merry band whom everyone wants to lynch.

Seamus Fermanagh

02-11-2008, 00:12

Host's preliminary tallies: PLEASE CHECK as of 1800 EST.

Lynch Votes

Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, Pannonian, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat)

Glenn = 2 (Andres, CountArach)

Andres = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)

Crazed Rabbit = 1 (Glenn)

Pannonian = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Director Selections:

Andres = 2 (Andres, CountArach)

Abstain = 1 (Ajaxfetish)

General Hankerchief = 1 (GeneralHankerchief)

Kagemusha = 1 (Kukrikhan)

Louis VI the Fat = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 00:13

I believe we should work for lynching two this night.
And since Tiberius is leading the votes, I am going to vote: Hannibalbarc. I am eager to see this new version of Holmes in action.

Let's see if Andres will do the honourable thing and lych both if we manage to get a tie.

GeneralHankerchief

02-11-2008, 00:14

Seamus, Sasaki voted for Hannibalbarc in Post #1056.

A few others did too, but they might have just been FoS's and I can't confirm it.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 00:15

Ok.

What is Tiberius claiming to be?
If so, if he was a pro-townie role, he would of been sent two role PMs.

One to say he was a townie, one to say what his real role was.

The real role would be entirely in red.

I know I quoted something, or misquoted something I shouldn't have - but I didn't misquote 3 or 4 paragraphs.

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 00:15

Select Kagemusha. The only one so far i can trust.:smash:

Andres

02-11-2008, 00:16

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 00:18

I'm not sure about Sasaki's investigation, but I have a theory that he knows the FBI detective, who investigated him on the fist night(A popular choice) and perhaps Sasaki came up innocent. Seeing this, the FBI detective might have contacted him and used him as someone to communicate with the rest of us. Any thoughts on this?
That would be a stupid move as there are 5 innocent Dons in this game...

Tiberius of the Drake

02-11-2008, 00:23

@CA- since its highly unlikely that anyone will believe me, i dont know why I bother. But here it goes. The truth is i dont know why. But Seamus is after all human and he can make mistakes.

Caius

02-11-2008, 00:25

Please bare with me, 80 posts to read.

Now, I will vote:prole
Sounds like a random vote, but please prole explain why your vote on GH. Do you know something that we dont?

Select:present

Just to confirm presence.

I have a question, since I do not want to read again 10 pages. Was pever guilty? Thank you.

EDIT: I do not trust Sasaki. I think he is making the results, and for some reason (maybe because Sasaki is mafioso, Andres also, and there is a mafia war going on) he wants to lynch Andres. May Sasaki come and tell us the truth.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 00:25

I find it hard to believe that the FBI Detective would not of used his full abilities on Night 1 - no reason not to have maximum evidence.

Nummumst iam dictum quod iam non dictum priusquam.

FactionHeir

02-11-2008, 00:26

Seeing how Andres is criminal according to Sasaki and its pointless to vote yourself, select: Kagemusha

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 00:29

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 00:32

Hmmmm....

The first person to vote for someone else..
FactionHeir and Kagemusha - two very unknown players in this game, suddenly appear and one supports the other.
Then they slip back into the darkness.

I thought I might shine the torch on you two for just a moment.

So i am unknown player in these games.:laugh4: Glenn there are different approaches in to playing these games, not all support endless posting of basically the question: Are you mafia, are you guilty? Some of us read carefully and look for nyances, which others might miss, with their endless blabber.

Caius

02-11-2008, 00:36

Sack:Present
Select:Caius

There is a connection between FH, Kage and Sasaki. Just a feeling.

FactionHeir

02-11-2008, 00:37

Looks scummy to post right after the target, but would it have helped if I had selected him after several others had?

Besides, he was selected by Kukri first, and it makes sense to select someone who already has votes.

Caius

02-11-2008, 00:41

Besides, he was selected by Kukri first, and it makes sense to select someone who already has votes.
It doesn't make sense, as it seems more a selection without reason than agreeing with Kukri.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-11-2008, 00:43

That just gave me a thought.

Sasaki, before anyone goes further on your investigations - why did you only investigate one person on Night 1?
As far as I know, you had no reason to suspect Andres then, nor any great reason to suspect CR on Night 2?

What were you reasons for suspecting these two?

I am not a detective, I did not investigate anyone.

I will check my PM.. I may of done something as stupid as say we would instead of we may, in any case - you are probably all past believing that, or are you?

JimBob did not correct you--he affirmed that was you said was true. There are too many holes.

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 00:44

Nummumst iam dictum quod iam non dictum priusquam.
What does Nummumst mean?

Caius

02-11-2008, 00:46

I am not a detective, I did not investigate anyone.
Yes, you forwarded the results. If you aren't one, who is it? And how do we know he is 100% accurate?

As far as I know, there isnt any kind of role that investigates with 100% accuracy.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 00:48

CountArach

02-11-2008, 00:54

I have my own detective contacts, and one has found a very surprising result on a trusted player here.
Once again you prove that you being alive is detrimental to the town. Telling us this does not do ANYTHING for the town. If you are going to reveal the result, reveal the result!

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 00:58

It means nothing, strange word - I only learnt the phrase a little while ago.
"Nothing has yet been said that has not been said earlier."

Fair enough Sasaki, I accept that explanation, but I would like to hear your contacts if possible. How sure are you they are detectives?

I have my own detective contacts, and one has found a very surprising result on a trusted player here.

FactionHeir - I do like how you suddenly appeared and took that bait.
I doubt anyone else would have voted for Kagemusha, he has a bad reputation, and your reason was flimsy.
In fact, I would not of picked you up had you just written your selection alone.
Have I stumbled upon something that was meant to be secret and brief?

Glenn, i appreciate your effort trying to throw dirt on me, without even addressing me. I would like to hear your explanation how i have bad reputation?Yes i have been successful mafioso, but i have also been very successful detective or townie in past games playing against the mafia, so please elaborate why no one in your opinion would not vote for me as director. One thing im not lacking is experience and that should be valuable for a director.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 00:59

I want to, and you are doing nothing for the town by dogging me like some fleabitten terrier.
I'm helping the town by saying this, there is someone here who is getting very comfortable, and he isn't quite the detective.

The man himself can reveal the result if he deems it necessary.

***

Exactly, Kagemusha, you have fine experience in being a Mafioso - this would come in handy for your family if you became Director.
Why are you so disturbed by a new player such as myself then?

No one should vote because nobody knows who you are.

People have more of an idea who I am than who you are, and they sure as hell aren't voting for me.

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 01:02

I want to, and you are doing nothing for the town by dogging me like some fleabitten terrier.
I'm helping the town by saying this, there is someone here who is getting very comfortable, and he isn't quite the detective.

The man himself can reveal the result if he deems it necessary.

So thats your reasoning. It seems as solid as your defense´s about the holes in your efforts to describe your role to the town. I still think that with your inconsistency you are still one of the main candidates for lynch.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 01:07

But that's your opinion, and I don't care for it.
See, I just wanted to poke you and FactionHeir and see which one came running out to join me in the limelight.
Isn't it beautiful out here?

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 01:08

I want to, and you are doing nothing for the town by dogging me like some fleabitten terrier.
I'm helping the town by saying this, there is someone here who is getting very comfortable, and he isn't quite the detective.

The man himself can reveal the result if he deems it necessary.

Do you get a kick out of these power games? Of hinting that you know stuff, but not telling?

Is anyone else losing patience with Glenn's many and varied claims? I'm starting to empathise with Ignoramus' quote in M3: "Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him."

FactionHeir

02-11-2008, 01:08

CountArach

02-11-2008, 01:09

Do you get a kick out of these power games? Of hinting that you know stuff, but not telling?

Is anyone else losing patience with Glenn's many and varied claims? I'm starting to empathise with Ignoramus' quote in M3: "Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him."
A bad townie is as much a threat as a good scum.

Caius

02-11-2008, 01:10

and I think You are the most valuable player to lynch. You claim to have experience, and thats mafia experience. That's why you enter in my black list.
Unvote:prole
Vote:Kage

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 01:14

Ha ha ha ha!
Brilliant, this has worked so well that I'm going to post this in bold - FOR ANY INNOCENT PLAYER TO READ.

Pannonian was investigated and found criminal.
Note his reaction to possible suspicion.

Kagemusha and FactionHeir have banded together and come out into the public eye.

All three now want me lynched for my recent comments.

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 01:14

But that's your opinion, and I don't care for it.
See, I just wanted to poke you and FactionHeir and see which one came running out to join me in the limelight.
Isn't it beautiful out here?

Well if you have read the previous games, you should know i have no problem being in the limelight. If you address me, you are sure to get an reply. Although as it seems we have both given our views about each other to both respectful parties, i think i will retire for the night as i cant see anything constructive coming out of your little jab against me. While you are at it, please elaborate, was it a townie protection group that protected you on the first night? Since to me that sounds very far fetched.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 01:17

Nobody knows who protected me on the first night.

In fact, and here's the truth.

Nobody protected me, I was just very lucky.

So if you are so comfortable with me in the limelight, why leave so soon?
It's so peaceful out here..

***

Don't let my little experiment humble the suspicion of previous possibilites, but don't allow this moment to sink into obscurity.

***

Oh, don't forget CrazedRabbit.

Unvote: CrazedRabbit Vote: Kagemusha

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 01:21

Nobody knows who protected me on the first night.

In fact, and here's the truth.

Nobody protected me, I was just very lucky.

So if you are so comfortable with me in the limelight, why leave so soon?
It's so peaceful out here..

***

Don't let my little experiment humble the suspicion of previous possibilites, but don't allow this moment to sink into obscurity.

Some people have to wake up for work also, apart glowing in the "limelight". I will leave you to have your portion of attention.:2thumbsup: You were protected by luck, give me a break will you. No sane player will believe that.

Drisos

02-11-2008, 01:25

Can we please lynch Andres a.s.a.p.?

I've had my reasons for suspecting him since day phase 1.. and I do trust Sasaki. - Is this correct: Sasaki, you've been investigated by a detective, and then the detective saw you as 'innocent' and decided to contact you, and now you're coming forward, risking your life for town, by being contact between this thread and the detective?

ok, good work. people, don't worry about trusting sasaki, you can always lynch him later if he survives (I know, he always seems suspicious) but I trust him for now, and even think it'd be great to elect sasaki as director now, because that would mean protection from killings, so that he could keep up the work.

btw, I was about to say, FoS - CR. but, then I saw sasaki's post with the result innocent. however this doesn't rule out his guilt, eh? Were there other roles except for Dons that would show up innocent?
His campaign to lynch Glenn is just way too scummy.

A bad townie is as much a threat as a good scum.

scummy comment. I think what you're saying is nonsense.

btw, remember Glenn is reasonably new to mafia.. and (forgive me, Glenn) not the most 'common posting-guy' overall. slightly weird behaviour may be more excusable in this case. I think a potential strong pro-town shouldn't be lynched anyhow. btw, noticed so far - Glenn is almost begin murdered, remember? good chance he won't survive anyway.. would feel like a waste of the lynch to pick him..

I believe we should work for lynching two this night.

reason?

What is Tiberius claiming to be?
If so, if he was a pro-townie role, he would of been sent two role PMs.

One to say he was a townie, one to say what his real role was.

what? I, as detective, got 1 pm. so, what are you talking about?

gah, it's getting very irritating not begin able to vote, etc... next game I should stay alive little longer..

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 01:26

Ha ha ha ha!
Brilliant, this has worked so well that I'm going to post this in bold - FOR ANY INNOCENT PLAYER TO READ.

Pannonian was investigated and found criminal.
Note his reaction to possible suspicion.

That could be because I'm a wise guy. From a PM to woad&fangs.

Can we protect jimbob instead for tonight? I have an idea I'd like to try out, to test Glenn and jimbob's claim.
can you tell me this idea or do I just have to trust you? I just PM'd ****, telling him that you want to change who we protect.
I'm a wise guy. Glenn and jimbob apparently function as detectives alone, and something else if they can get the three of them together. So my plan is to get one of them to investigate me, and the other to investigate you, and tell us the results. If they don't come back as criminal, then they're lying about their detective abilities and we can lynch them.

Anything else you'd like to claim?

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 01:31

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 01:33

reason?

What ? Other than getting two baddies with one swing? It is possible you know.

***
Could anyone make a list of investigation results that we can keep and update as the game advances?

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 01:36

Very good Pannonian!

How do you explain Kagemusha and FactionHeir?
What do you plan to do as a Wiseguy?

For my own part, I think this post of yours is honest.
Which is why I was so astounded to find you criminal.
I don't believe this PM conversation made up, and I'm glad I have at least partly proven my own honesty to you.

So, as an honest man, what do you think of Kagemusha?
You may have partly proved your honesty to me, but it also occurred to me that Mades have the same investigative powers as detectives, hence my desire to have someone else corroborate your towniness. And as this round has gone on, I'm starting to feel it might be worth lynching you anyway for being a pain. As Myrdraal said in the last round, he was tempted to vote for you whatever your guilt or innocence, for his sanity's sake.

And don't ask me to explain Kagemusha and Factionheir, I'm not a mindreader.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 01:37

CrazedRabbit: Innocent

Andres: Criminal

Pannonian: Criminal

Omanes Alexandrapolites: Innocent

Glenn: Innocent

**
These are the ones I've noted.

No, no that's right - Omanes has not been spoken of - not in public, yet his investigation result was innocent.
You can believe that as readily as you believe that Pannonian is a criminal.

Hannibalbarc

02-11-2008, 01:40

Vote: Andres he was investigated and is a criminal.
Select: Present

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 01:40

Louis VI the Fat

02-11-2008, 01:40

Keep a bloody tally!!

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Select: Louis VI the Fat. Read my lips: 'no new taxes'. :yes:

I added up the tally until this post. See below:

Lynch Votes

Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, Pannonian, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat)

Glenn = 2 (Andres, CountArach)

Hannibalbarc = 1 Sigurd, Sasaki

Andres = 2 (Hannibal Barc, Crazed Rabbit)

Pannonian = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis)

Andres = 2 (Andres, CountArach)

Abstain = 1 (Ajaxfetish)

General Hankerchief = 1 (GeneralHankerchief)

Kagemusha = 3 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

@Glenn. This a friendly tip:
Your posts may estrange people. For both quantity and content. You are an emotional player, I appreciate that. But you do not need to take everything personal, nor reply to everything, nor try to have the last word in every conversation. This is a role playing game. People do not question each other, they question their roles.

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 01:43

Vote: Andres he was investigated and is a criminal.
Select: Present
You're voting and selecting Andres at the same time? Are you one of the Barzinis?

TruePraetorian

02-11-2008, 01:46

Voted, but fergot we were selecting directors today.

Select: TruePraetorian

Kommodus sure as hell didn't get it done...I know I will.
Besides, i'm my own best choice :beam:.
Choose me if you want but I don't see any other good candidates.

EDIT: Fergot that it wasn't a tie, sorry Kommodus you did fine :shame:

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 01:50

You're voting and selecting Andres at the same time? Are you one of the Barzinis?
I say we test the new Holmes on this guy...
[edit]: The guy Pannonian quoted - Hannibalbarc

Drisos

02-11-2008, 01:51

What ? Other than getting two baddies with one swing? It is possible you know.

I know, but why was this time special for getting 2? Shouldn't you try getting 2 all the time? or 3? or 4?

was it just a slightly weird formulation?

btw, I'm not really convinced by the points made against GH. I don't agree he should be lynched. we have better options..

edit: add hannibalbarc to the lynch list.. edit2: ok, possible misunderstanding of his post.. take him off the list again :P

scottishranger

02-11-2008, 01:52

I am not defending anyone here, just making an observation

I think we need to remember that a townie can show up as a criminal 1/6 times, even if he has done nothing the entire game. We need to take some of these investigation reports with a grain of salt, thats all.

As to Director I select: Abstain for now.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-11-2008, 01:54

You're voting and selecting Andres at the same time? Are you one of the Barzinis?

I imagine he's not voting anyone for director, just voting "present" to show he's here.

I don't think I'd trust Glenn even if I had proof he was pro-town.

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 01:56

Was it just a slightly weird formulation?

Not at all...
I want to test Holmes and I also wanted to vote for Tiberius.

We could throw any other into the tie ... but the best we have are criminals... not conclusive at all.

Hannibalbarc

02-11-2008, 01:56

You're voting and selecting Andres at the same time? Are you one of the Barzinis?
Oh, I thought gh was director, my bad, Select:GH.

Hannibalbarc

02-11-2008, 01:58

I say we test the new Holmes on this guy...
[edit]: The guy Pannonian quoted - Hannibalbarc
I think somebody already did, btw how does it work?

Drisos

02-11-2008, 01:58

We could throw any other into the tie ... but the best we have are criminals... not conclusive at all.

the evidence against GH is conclusive? :embarassed:

You and Andres are just too guilty! :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :wall:

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 02:01

the evidence against GH is conclusive? :embarassed:

You and Andres are just too guilty! :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :wall:

Damn... problem reading?? NOT conclusive.

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 02:01

I think somebody already did, btw how does it work?
Well, we lynch you, then we compare the autopsy with the Holmes analysis. Speaking of which,

Unvote: Tiberius of the Drake
Vote: Hannibalbarc

I want to see the new toy in action.

Sigurd

02-11-2008, 02:04

I think somebody already did, btw how does it work?
It is an application developed by Kommodus. We have all experienced its power in the past. Kommodus have apparently upgraded it again and you came up on top in the first search.

I would want to test it to see if the result is correct...
Sadly that is only done by lynching you and wait for the result 3 days later where your role will be revealed publicly.

Hannibalbarc

02-11-2008, 02:18

It is an application developed by Kommodus. We have all experienced its power in the past. Kommodus have apparently upgraded it again and you came up on top in the first search.

I would want to test it to see if the result is correct...
Sadly that is only done by lynching you and wait for the result 3 days later where your role will be revealed publicly.
you could lynch someone else.~D

Crazed Rabbit

02-11-2008, 02:55

Do note, everybody, how CrazedRabbit first claims me to be a Don, then gives terrible evidence against me being a criminal because Made Gangsters can investigate.

Bah. You're a don, you have a made under you, who could easily investigate and give you the results.

This is not correct. If I have been unclear my apologies, but the Director is escorted by police all night and cannot participate in an "active" night action. Investigations (made, detective, FBI) can occur, and possibly some other "special" abilities, but nothing else.

Bing-o. Andres was the one person unavailable last night. The fake Asian was without a partner, and Andres came up as guilty according to Sasaki, meaning he killed somebody night one. And the ballet slipper mafia was the only group to kill somebody night one.

Now who doesn't know the rules, Louis? ~;p

I promise you these are 100% accurate.

Are you saying you know the person who gave you those is a detective?

And since it seems like we're going to lynch Andres tomorrow, I'll

unvote: Andres
vote: Glenn

select: Louis

Mainly because he's not Andres.

Tally:
Lynch Votes

Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit)

Hannibalbarc = 3 Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis)

Andres = 2 (Andres, CountArach)

Abstain = 2 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger)

General Hankerchief = 1 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 3 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

CR

Drisos

02-11-2008, 02:55

Damn... problem reading?? NOT conclusive.

No. Look:

We could throw any other into the tie ... but the best we have are criminals... not conclusive at all.

Sounded like you named the 'any other (criminals)' as 'not conclusive'. Didn't sound at all like you were mentioning GH as not conclusive.

and I don't see GH on the 'investigated list'?

CrazedRabbit: Innocent
Andres: Criminal
Pannonian: Criminal
Omanes Alexandrapolites: Innocent
Glenn: Innocent

btw, if we should get double lynches anyway.. why not take Pannonian? He can discuss along (just like me) anyway, and we will not have certainty on him begin wiseguy or worse otherwise.

Only downside is less voting power for town, assuming that Pannonian is actually indeed townie-minded.

edit: gah, CR, gah

TinCow

02-11-2008, 02:57

I didn't do my vote for Director earlier. So, since I trust absolutely no one:

Select: Vacant

JimBob

02-11-2008, 03:27

955 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828870&postcount=955)

We have to assume that because that's the only logical explanation.
Really? Maybe there is another role out there designed to protect us. Maybe there is something within the role. Who knows. But there are more logical possibilities than two.

Twist the facts?
Yes, he has made the assertion that we have crossed the line in revealing information repeatedly. He has used this to prove that we are mafia because "we couldn't reveal that without breaking the red PM rule" but Seamus has cleared almost everything we've revealed, the only thing was a slip by Glenn, we both realize this crossed the line and was a simple slip. That is the only thing that has crossed the line. By beating the "we broke the rules" dead horse he's trying to tar and feather us.

I believe you both said your entire role PM's were red or most of them anyways. You didn't post the part of your PM's that may not have been red. This to me is starting to seem more and more like a ploy. Saying your entire PM is red then using a part of the PM that apparently isn't red to help Glenn and your case. It's a strange phenomenon I guess.
A slip on Glenn's part. Covered above.

I'm betting they made up the Red PM. The third person has not been willing to come forward (Though I have my suspicions) and until that happens I can't trust that they are telling the truth.
He or she will be WoG'd and then hopefully we'll get a new one (hopefully). Until then me and Glenn will try to stay alive so we can bring the hurt to the mafia later.

957 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828879&postcount=957)

Even if he does come forward...it might be fake.
If they are telling the truth, as far as I can tell, they've broken the rules. We know alot about their roles even though they weren't alowed to tell us. Odd? I think so.
See above. As far as SEAMUS can tell we haven't. And trust me, you don't know much about our roles.

-We know there is 3
Yup, and Seamus cleared us telling that.

-They are "pro-town"
ZOMG! They told us what side they're on! They've obviously told us the entirety of their role PMs! :thumbsdown:

-They use code-words
We didn't tell you what they were, what they were for, or any details.

-Glenn "is a detective with a sword"
Allusion, innuendo, and generally without details. I fail to see what this really tells you about the role.

-They can save lives
:laugh4: You obviously don't really don't know that much about our role.

-Roles in red
751. Cleared by game host.

-They appear unclear
The one mistake, see above. Apologies all around again.

959 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828886&postcount=959)

Lose the attitude, if I were modding the game I'd have WoG'd you both. Maybe seamus is more lenient. How come you express certainty that I'm an innocent townie?
I'm being a little sarcastic on the pro-town thing. The fact is I don't particularly trust you. You seem so intent on lynching Glenn and I you seem to be looking through blinders. Which seems scummy to me. The 'attitude', I'm telling you you're wrong, and I'm telling you you look scummy when you twist facts like you are. If you are pro-town then say it straight. Simple as that.

1038 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1829527&postcount=1038)

PEOPLE - last round we were going to kill Glenn off because he is a Don! Why has attention turned from him? Remember, made gangsters can investigate!

This is just like when Prole came under suspicion in Capo I after she was saved by her Luca on night one. The town failed there by not lynching her then. Let's not make the same mistake in Capo II.
Is is a strong word CR, you don't know you have suspicions. Which make some sense, Glenn is erratic, and our story is fishy. But I tell you it is true.
And there is a big difference between Glenn and Prole, Prole was a Donna, Glenn is not.

1056 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1829581&postcount=1056)
Those detective results confuse me. Hmm. Odds maybe? I seem to remember investigations having odds for success in Capo I. Anyway, I hope that at least pushes us back in the lynch line. Anyone else investigate us?

Of the people who are up for director, I trust Louis the most. so:
Select: Louis VI the Fat
Of the people on the chopping block I trust few of them. But, I know that Pann is a criminal based on the investigation I conducted last night, so he's at least a wiseguy.
Vote: Pannonian

Oops, tally:
Lynch Votes
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit)

Hannibalbarc = 3 Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 3 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob)

Andres = 2 (Andres, CountArach)

Abstain = 2 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger)

General Hankerchief = 1 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 3 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Drisos

02-11-2008, 03:28

I didn't do my vote for Director earlier. So, since I trust absolutely no one:

Select: Vacant

Even if you trust no one, there's good reason to choose someone. I'd pick sasaki right now... but ok... your choice. (scummy though :P lol)

Louis VI the Fat

02-11-2008, 03:39

oops, wrong tab.

Never mind.

CountArach

02-11-2008, 03:50

Unselect: Andres
Select: Abstain

Just while I remember - I don't know who to select.

Lynch Votes
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit)

Hannibalbarc = 3 Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 3 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger, CountArach)

General Hankerchief = 1 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 3 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Csargo

02-11-2008, 04:23

Vote:GH I don't like the way he's playing.

I've put Glenn on ignore because I'm tired of reading his dribble of crap that isn't really relevent at all.

Northnovas

02-11-2008, 04:33

This is confusing for the two votes and count in general but for the
Director: Kagemush

Lynch: Abstain

There have been many accusations and when we look at the first lynch vote to the second there is a big difference.

There have been many suggestions but no follow up.
Is there a Glenn JimBob connection? Do they both come up innocent?
What about Twilight's last vote? Has there been a reasonable explanation to his last minute entry.
The other NN noreweigenerd was mentioned a lot in the first round because of comments and nothing this round. Is he innocent?
Someone asked about Beefy187. Why was he the target?

There are a lot of players and a lot of reading. All we have to go is circumstantial evidence (our remarks or comments) but one comment cannot confirm guilt. FoS yes.
I can see a lot of suspicion but have not read anything that will put anyone beyond suspicion to guilty. I would think 3 or 4 points of circumstantial evidence would be sufficient for a lynching. It is early still but we have already shown no objectivity on lynching or analyzing the past night’s activities.

One thing I have found handy subscribing to the thread makes it much easier to read and catch up then reading in email then post in the thread. Just a suggestion for anyone missing a day and wonder how they can try to catch up on the game.

Tally:

Lynch Votes
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 3 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit)

Hannibalbarc = 3 Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 1 (Northnovas)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 3 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger, CountArach)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 3 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

CountArach

02-11-2008, 04:37

Corrected Tally:

Lynch Votes
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 3 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit)

Hannibalbarc = 3 Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 1 (Northnovas)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 4 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger, CountArach)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

Xehh II

02-11-2008, 04:40

Forgot to select earlier so I will:
Select: Abstain

Kommodus

02-11-2008, 04:49

Right now I think our priority should be to lynch Tiberius and HannibalBarc(if kommudus's new metric works then we'd be foolish not to test it) today.

I agree.

Vote: Hannibalbarc

I'm actually just as eager to find out if I'm right as everyone else...

I would like Kommodus and his Holmes to tell me what the opinion of CR is.

I believe CR has a role here other than basic townie, but beyond that I can't tell what it is.

Select: Beefy187

I don't know if he's innocent or not, but I'd like to select someone we know the mafia would like to off.

Tally:

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 3 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit)

Hannibalbarc = 4 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus)

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 1 (Northnovas)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 4 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger, CountArach)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

Xiahou

02-11-2008, 05:20

vote: Glenn - How on earth was he not lynched?
select: Louis VI the Fat

naut

02-11-2008, 05:22

Select: Omanes Alexandrapolites

He's come up as innocent in investigation results or so it has been claimed, and he hasn't been acting in any strange manner so I'm willing to believe he isn't a Don.

Vote: Abstain

I have to go through all the pages I've missed, (was sick yesterday), and reassess what I've missed.

TinCow

02-11-2008, 05:28

Even if you trust no one, there's good reason to choose someone. I'd pick sasaki right now... but ok... your choice. (scummy though :P lol)

What possible good reason could I have to give immunity to someone I don't trust? This "scummy" word is being tossed around an awful lot lately. I don't even think you people know what it means. I'm a complete mafia noob, and even I can tell that practically no one knows what is going on. We're all flailing at nothing, desperately looking for some kind of solid evidence where there is none, and then convincing ourselves that we're right, at least until we change our minds 12 hours later.

Seriously, having not played mafia before. How is it possible for the townies to ever win when they act like this?

Cowhead418

02-11-2008, 06:05

I still think Tiberius's story is full of holes, but the town seems to have taken care of him. I, however, too want to see if this new method of Holmes works, especially on someone who, before he was accused by Kommodus, had barely made any posts. Before the accusation, here are Hannibalbarc's posts, in order:

We are not allowed to edit our posts, are we?
I don't have much experience in mafia so I'll just, Select:Andres

Vote Glenn My opinion is that he's a Don protected by his Lucas.

How many votes make a lynch?

I believe he said he was a detective.
I don't know how much of a case you can make from that, but Kommodus's methods of finding mafia have been successful in the past. Besides, in short time we can discover if it really works (after the autopsy).

I will Vote: Hannibalbarc and Select: Louis the Fat, because I don't see any reason to suspect him (yet :beam: ).

Tally:

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 3 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo)

Glenn = 4 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)

Hannibalbarc = 5 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418)

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 6 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 4 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)

Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

Husar

02-11-2008, 06:14

Keep a bloody tally!!

Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Now every bloody tally since then does not have Louis voting for GH...

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Select: Louis VI the Fat

Well, I trust Louis so far and I have also heard from other sources that GH is guilty, if that is possible, maybe we can tie votes and have the director lynch two or three guys?(Tiberius, GH and Glenn for example or any two of them ~;) )

ajaxfetish

02-11-2008, 07:38

Select: Beefy187

I don't know if he's innocent or not, but I'd like to select someone we know the mafia would like to off.

This keeps coming up and I'm still confused. Wasn't Beefy attacked only on the first night? Didn't pevergreen form and participate in a vigilante squad to attack Beefy (supposedly for the purposes of training a doctor/surgeon)? How do we know the mafia want Beefy dead, or is it just a misinterpretation of the first night's actions?

And why not put a Frenchman in the director's chair for a day.
unselect: abstain
select: Louis

Ajax

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 08:03

we might want to lynch all those who came up criminal... just to get it over with... from the top of my mind... that is Sasaki, GH, Andres and another one... but not 100% sure...

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)

GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)

Glenn = 4 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)

Hannibalbarc = 5 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418)

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 8 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, husar)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)

Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

Sarathos

02-11-2008, 08:04

Im still dont believe you Tiberius

Vote:Tiberius of the Drake
Select Louis IV the Fat

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 08:06

keep the tally... and why are we lynching only one person??

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 08:09

Select: Louis VI the Fat I believe a good selection has arisen.

Oh, and since you can't hear me Ichigo - I don't like you.
Tee hee hee.

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 08:12

CountArach

02-11-2008, 08:13

keep the tally... and why are we lynching only one person??
I don't know. While I still want Glenn to be lynched, I shall:

Unvote: Glenn
Vote: Hannibalbarc

I don't know exactly how accurate Holmes will be at this phase, though with well over 1000 posts I would hope it would be good.

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos)

GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)

Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CountArach)

Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)

Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)

Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)

Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)

Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 10 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, husar, Sarathos, Glenn)

Andres = 1 (Andres)

Abstain = 3 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II)

General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)

Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)

The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)

Caius = 1 (Caius)

TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)

Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)

Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)

Vacant = 1 (TinCow)

Beefy187

02-11-2008, 08:19

Ive glad I made it before the game ends.

Someone asked me about why I was attacked. As I explained before Pever tried to train a group of docter and I was selected randomly probebly because im his friend in RL and thought organise group to shoot me with cheap silly Uzis wouldnt wreck the friendship. :laugh4:

So I doubt the mafias wants me dead since I have trouble keeping up with the game. I thought I explained about the attempt on my life before. So I find it rather strange why you peoples brought it up again.:sweatdrop:

Vote: abstain

For this phase since I still got like 500 posts to read again..

Select: Husar

Husar always left good impressiong on me. So I will vote for him

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 09:00

Is there anywhere I can read an explanation of how Holmes works?
Has it always been completely accurate?

CountArach

02-11-2008, 09:02

Is there anywhere I can read an explanation of how Holmes works?
Has it always been completely accurate?
Probably the most detailed summary of Holmes is here:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=78384

No, it isn't completely accurate, but it has an incredibly high degree of accuracy by the end.

Csargo

02-11-2008, 09:13

Select: Louis VI the Fat I believe a good selection has arisen.

Oh, and since you can't hear me Ichigo - I don't like you.
Tee hee hee.

Good then we've come to an agreement.

Moros

02-11-2008, 09:19

Got myself a pm telling Kommodos is criminal. So I'm not going to listen to much to Kommodus this time.

select: JimBob

Vote: undecided, quite few guys I could vote. But need to do some talkin gbefore picking one.

Sarathos

02-11-2008, 09:30

Hey Beefy, welcome back!

CountArach

02-11-2008, 09:39

Got myself a pm telling Kommodos is criminal. So I'm not going to listen to much to Kommodus this time.
Care to share the lovin' around?

Andres

02-11-2008, 09:44

So, the "case" against me:

- Drisos says "Andres is guilty" without building up a case. Drisos the detective who didn't get any investigation results, since he died N1. The same Drisos who told TS via msn that he just randomly named Sigurd as a Don because he wanted to take somebody down with him after he got killed, just for fun.

- We have Sasaki (Sasaki, of all players !) who said I came up as "criminal" after investigation. The same Sasaki who got investigated and came up as "criminal" himself according to TS. And Sasaki backs his claim up with : "I promise that these results are 100 % accurate".

- We have CR who twisted Sasaki's words and said I came up as "guilty" (so, I'm no longer just criminal, all of the sudden, by a touch of magic, I'm guilty) after an investigation he probably didn't even saw himself. The same CR who posted that he was convinced Glenn was a Don and in that same post voted me. Oh, and I have to be guilty, because the Asian guy was alone, so his friend must have missed to send in his orders and that can only be Andres, because he got attacked last night (by the Barzini family = the mafia, no less, but let us all forget that, eh). Attacked and survived. I don't see how that means that I couldn't have performed my night actions.

Lynch me next round if you all really feel like you have to, but at least build a decent case against me because this is as ridiculous as lynching me because my name starts with an A.

And yes, I'm having a bad day. It's Monday.

Gah.

Husar

02-11-2008, 09:45

I want to repeat that Louis voted for GH and you still don't have it in your tallies... (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1829726&postcount=1108)

When I said you can skip posts while reading this, I didn't mean my posts and not those of Louis either! :dizzy2: ~;)

Drisos

02-11-2008, 09:56

What possible good reason could I have to give immunity to someone I don't trust?

Well, there's certain people that seem pro-town, and if they are, they should be protected, so they can keep up good work. I don't know why you don't see this? That's the reason I mentioned the S-word.

Drisos says "Andres is guilty" without building up a case. Drisos the detective who didn't get any investigation results, since he died N1.

I'm just saying to people I have my reasons to not trust you. Since I will be pointed out by Seamus as detective, townies will know that I'm on their side and my suspicion will hopefully play a role in converting them to lynch you.

The same Drisos who told TS via msn that he just randomly named Sigurd as a Don because he wanted to take somebody down with him after he got killed, just for fun.

That's a lie. Produced by TS first, so it's not your fault. TS was angry/etc that I named him as suspicious as wel, and so, he posted this lie. I didn't so anything for fun. I thought, and still think, you are guilty (made/luca/whatever) and Sigurd is your Don.

Andres

02-11-2008, 10:08

I'm just saying to people I have my reasons to not trust you. Since I will be pointed out by Seamus as detective, townies will know that I'm on their side and my suspicion will hopefully play a role in converting them to lynch you.

At least build up a case, analyse my posts or pm's, whatever. You did not get any investigation results. You said so yourself. So your suspicion must be based on my behavior in this thread or behind the scenes.

Please, put some effort in your accusations.

That's a lie. Produced by TS first, so it's not your fault. TS was angry/etc that I named him as suspicious as wel, and so, he posted this lie.

Well, if this is how we are going to play this game... Tell me, The Stranger, why should people continue to cooperate with you in this game if you're going to spread rumours like that just because you are "angry"?

I didn't so anything for fun. I thought, and still think, you are guilty (made/luca/whatever) and Sigurd is your Don.

Again, you didn't have investigation results (again: those are your own words!), so please, build up your case based on posts/behind the scene activity.

Chimpyang

02-11-2008, 10:14

What happened to the heat on twilight? Unless they answer to why the sudden voting at the end then my lynch vote is on him.

Lynch : Twilightblade

On the issue of selection, I'm going to Select : Kagemusha. Don't trust him, but I trust the other candidates less!

Zorg

02-11-2008, 10:31

Hmmm, a lot of stuff flying around. I'll be blunt and get right down to my vote.

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

The evidence against him is just too overwealming. He claims to have invesitaged 2 people, but as a made he could have found out just those facts, it proves nothing. Then his agent pm has some very suspicious looking parts, particuarly the numbering skipping and notice the lack of a line of space between two of the lines lower down. It just dosn't feel right. Not to mention the straight evidence against him.

As for the "importance" of Beefy. I get the feeling Beefy was just a target for the mafia, someone to cull down from the mass of townies, afterall he was a member of a protection group (If I remember correctly).

I would also like to point to the attempted attack on taka. This to me seems JUST like the event we had with beefy the night before. I'm guessing they both have some sort of "luck" special ability, it would make a lot of sense. That being the case, I think its probably safe to assume them both townies (or very powerful special roles). I think however that this could be a useful indication of their innocence. For that reason I would like to:

Select: Beefy

There has also been the idea about making a tie vote. Last time that backfired on us horribly, and someone who was assumed dead lived on (for better or worse). For that reason, I'm not taking risks with my vote anymore. But furthermore, while the idea of a double lynch is a very very poweful one, I just don't see it practically happening. There are just so many ways it could go wrong.

I'd also like to know more about Holmes. So far Hannibalbarc seems to me to just be a fairly innacitve player, and compared to a lot of suspects, he has a lot of votes on him. I'd just like to know what holmes is actualy looking for and the exact specifics if possible, because to me it just sounds like we are taking your word that this is the truth and that you arn't just making the results up (we'd never be able to trace you would we)....

I do think we are making progress though, the mafia are being weeded out one by one, keep up the deduction everyone.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 10:33

Considering there are people out there far more suspicious, like Kagemusha, I don't see why Twilightblade needs to be lynched when Andres has a larger, "Case", against him and is being delayed until tomorrow!

The only people I have seen against Twilight so far are suspected-mafiosos nitpicking and taking the attention away from where it's needed.

***

It looks like Stranger is ratting on the right people to the wrong people.
Has anybody investigated him yet?

***

Kommodus the criminal.
Come forward Kommodus, are you a wiseguy too?

Speaking of nit-picking, why are you really voting for Kagemusha?
He has shown a more despicable character in public than Louis, or any other candidate, and gladly took the bait I offered him in defense of himself and FactionHeir.
Are you involved in this little blur? Or are you just voting for him because you both have Shogun: Total War avatars?

Andres

02-11-2008, 10:39

Considering there are people out there far more suspicious, like Kagemusha, I don't see why Twilightblade needs to be lynched when Andres has a larger, "Case", against him and is being delayed until tomorrow!

I cannot be lynched today, because I'm the director.

What case against me Glenn? Several people said "he's guilty" without backing up their claims in a believable, non ridiculous way? Or is it just because my name starts with an A?

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 10:47

I was referring to how you said, "Case", in a dismissive, mocking way.
Don't mind me, I've been accused of both crimes and idiocy!

However, I don't believe you are guilty, but I do believe you are criminal.
So do several other people so I see.
Are you willing to reveal yourself as so many others have done?

What is your connection to The Stranger?

(Also, I forgot about directors.. Kommodus and Andres.. Kommodus and Andres... Criminal and Criminal...)

Tran

02-11-2008, 10:47

What happened to the heat on twilight? Unless they answer to why the sudden voting at the end then my lynch vote is on him.

Lynch : Twilightblade
Yes, it seems everyone let him get away after the killing lynching of pevergreen.

In other note, I will Select: Abstain as the new director.

Andres

02-11-2008, 10:55

What is your connection to The Stranger?

We both speak Dutch.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 11:06

That's a good start.
How about my other question?
Here is my post.
"I was referring to how you said, "Case", in a dismissive, mocking way.
Don't mind me, I've been accused of both crimes and idiocy!

However, I don't believe you are guilty, but I do believe you are criminal.
So do several other people so I see.
Are you willing to reveal yourself as so many others have done?

What is your connection to The Stranger?

(Also, I forgot about directors.. Kommodus and Andres.. Kommodus and Andres... Criminal and Criminal...)

****************************

Has anyone seen Tran around before?
Introduce yourself properly Tran, what do you make of all this hulabaloo?
Who do you think is guilty?
Twilightblade?
Why?

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 11:10

Here is what we know about Mr. Tran.

Mr. Tran has made very few posts in this thread.
One was in inexplained, open support of Andres.

The other two were made to attack Twilightblade and bring him under suspicion without any real reason.
He has made no other attempts to diffuse anything, he just appears to comfort Andres and attack Twilightblade whom he assumed related to me.

Now. This is good, I recommend everyone to take note of the players who post the least and go back through their history.
See what they have posted.
There are remarkable patterns in speech!

Sorry for the double post, especially to you dear Sarathos.

Sarathos

02-11-2008, 11:21

Slow down on the double repost there Glenn.

Btw, What are the rules on lurkers Seamus?

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 11:26

I cannot be lynched today, because I'm the director.

We lynched 2 directors in Capo 1: The Chief of Police himself, and the Wolf. Directors cannot be nightkilled, but they're not immune to execution.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-11-2008, 11:38

Is it just me, or does Sarathos sound a overly flippant and easily lead? A few of his posts are fairly off-topic, and I don't think he's come up with any reason for his actions beyond "everybody else is doing it". Of course this could be dismissed as inexperience (he hasn't played in a very large number of mafia games), but since he hasn't acted like this previously, it makes me feel a little weary of him.

On the topic of GH, I find his argument here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1829586#post1829586) regarding WIFOM fairly hard to follow. Could you explain it in a little more detail please GH?

Sarathos

02-11-2008, 11:57

Woah Omanes, I do acknowledge my inexperience, this is my frist very large mafia game and my first mafia game for quite some time. But I have reasons behind every post, they just happen to be the same as everyone else. Plus most of the lynched votes I have posted have been from solid information which everyone else's came from. And may I ask, how am I acting differently?

As for my previous post, I simply wanted to know the rule about lurkers because there seems to be a rather large number of them. Notice how there are 76 people alive and only about 20 are active....

Myrddraal

02-11-2008, 12:03

In a rush, I haven't finished reading the thread, so for now:

Vote: Tiberius

Because that role was just too convenient and just too full of holes.

Select: Present

Just to register that I'm here.

Here's a post I prepared earlier, there was going to be more, and it's a bit outdated, but have it anyway:

Andres wasn't protected by town / luca. He was killed in write-up one, the director role saved him in the second write-up. So probably no don then. No other special protective function.

Not necessarily true. Andres could still be a potential Don. If the family knows he's protected by the cops, this frees up their abilities for killing. Why protect someone twice?

What's all this about? Two groups of shadowy figures? Yet no attempt? Is there a rule that if two groups attack the same person on the same night both fail?
JimBob was picked as a victim. Just like Glenn. The mafia getting nervous about them yet?

I don't think so, this looks like two townie protection groups. Both active, but no attacker to fight off.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 12:07

Myrddraal!

What do you make of;

Kagemusha

FactionHeir

Tran

Andres?

Beefy187

02-11-2008, 12:20

Im honoured to be the candidate for director but I think you should elect a person who can benefit from director cannot be killed rule. Person who can toss around ideas. And that person is not me..

Chimpyang

02-11-2008, 12:38

Are you involved in this little blur? Or are you just voting for him because you both have Shogun: Total War avatars?

Yeh, blatently, major STW loving going on here......

Edit:changed "there" to "here"

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 12:43

I want to believe you, Chimpyang, but it seems as though you were using sarcasm.
Now, I'm not one for sarcasm, so I will get very confused and lost very quickly if you possess your answers with it, and we don't want me getting the wrong idea and thinking you are guilty of something.

So, is there any reasoning why you picked a more popular, yet more suspicious candidate for Director?

What reasons have you to trust Kagemusha?

Seamus Fermanagh

02-11-2008, 12:47

This is not correct. If I have been unclear my apologies, but the Director is escorted by police all night and cannot participate in an "active" night action. Investigations (made, detective, FBI) can occur, and possibly some other "special" abilities, but nothing else.

THis was posted earlier in the thread in response to a comment made by Louis.

Having reviewed my own rules, I am forced to note that there is NO specific prohibition against the Director performing active night actions.

I will probably institute such a rule in Capo III as it conforms to my intentions for the role, but as it has not been added to date and may affect gameplay, I will note hold players to that standard (and my own review of Capo I says I have not).

Chimpyang

02-11-2008, 12:51

Now now, sarcasm is a british thing, note my location lol

But why don't I want to upset you with it Glenn? Are you going to send the bully boys around? Send you hit team? I have sources that tell me you registered as Innocent on an investigation, whilst you claimed to register as unclear....why is that?

Enough of that though, to the serious points of your accusation :
- reason for choosing Twilightblade, putting on some pressure to get an explanation, a gentle reminder that the thread has not forgotten. I know it's not a realisitic choice in terms of voting to get a lynch on him, but some answers would be good.

-choosing Kagmusha, why not? the director doth not hold ultimate power, indeed it is a position of exposure and if indeed he is guilty of something, then a mistake would be highlighted even more. Ok, I know it means it makes him unkillable for a short period of time, but lynching directors is not unheard of, as players of Capo I have already mentioned

I hope that the above satisfies your inquiry.....

Edit : minor spelling error in first line.

TinCow

02-11-2008, 13:23

Well, there's certain people that seem pro-town, and if they are, they should be protected, so they can keep up good work. I don't know why you don't see this? That's the reason I mentioned the S-word.

Fine. The only person that seems even remotely (and I emphasize the remotely) trustworthy to me so far is Louis VI. If it will make you happy, I will vote for him.

Unselect: Vacant
Select: Louis VI the Fat

Husar

02-11-2008, 13:28

Now, I'm not one for sarcasm, so I will get very confused and lost very quickly if you possess your answers with it, and we don't want me getting the wrong idea and thinking you are guilty of something.
Dude... :sweatdrop:

If you go on like that I don't want you to think at all anymore.

It makes you look as if you believe yourself to be in a position of power, for someone who was almost lynched that's quite a stretch if you ask me.
If I'm not mistaken, you're also trying to force your opinion on others all the time. :inquisitive:

Drisos

02-11-2008, 14:28

Fine. The only person that seems even remotely (and I emphasize the remotely) trustworthy to me so far is Louis VI. If it will make you happy, I will vote for him.

Unselect: Vacant
Select: Louis VI the Fat

Louis? He's one of the great 'wiseguys'.. (like sasaki, louis, sigurd, kommodus, pannonian, etc the people that really think lots about the game).

but trustworthy? hhm.... I wouldn't say so. I'd say less trustworthy then the rest, because they know better then others how to behave townie-style, etc etc..

can never hurt to keep smart townies alive though..

Charge

02-11-2008, 14:32

Considering Tiberius (definite lynch this round) got enough votes already, and we can get double-triple lynch, and I bet Glenn/JimBob are detectives (thus those who trying to lynch them are likely mafiosos), I will
unvote: Tiberius
vote: Kagemusha this time.

just look on his userpage' southpark image (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/userpage.php?do=main&userid=11472) :laugh4:
dont he look like mafioso? :laugh4:

besides his behaviour doesnt exclude possibility of being gangster/don. More like don though (and i heard director's duty excludes such night actions like kills, so while don protected by police luca and made can go kill people freely)...
Though I dont have any real proof against him, but I think town should pay more attention to him and trying to point that out.

+ Why FH's sudden inactivity? Mafioso?

Need more evidence before lynching Andres/Sasaki/GH/Kommodus.

And select: Louis for director. Not suspicious Kage..

CapoTally 1181
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 12 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 5 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
Andres = 1 (Andres)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

TinCow

02-11-2008, 14:35

Louis? He's one of the great 'wiseguys'.. (like sasaki, louis, sigurd, kommodus, pannonian, etc the people that really think lots about the game).

but trustworthy? hhm.... I wouldn't say so. I'd say less trustworthy then the rest, because they know better then others how to behave townie-style, etc etc..

can never hurt to keep smart townies alive though..

As I've told other people, I am at a disadvantage because I do not know any of the 'reputations' that people have from other games. I am operating purely based on what I have read in this thread and the content of PMs I have received. Based on that, Louis is one of the few people I have seen who has been trying to help and who hasn't been specifically gunning for a certain person. Given the limited resources at my disposal, I think that's the only logical way for me to make a decision. If I see evidence that Louis is a bad guy, I will react accordingly, but I simply can't base a decision on 'reputation' when that in itself requires that I trust that the 'reputation' information I am being given is accurate in the first place.

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 14:55

Well, well. I come back from work and see whats happened. First of all Glenn. You run around in the thread saying im more suspicious then Louis for example and making insulting comments towards my personality, while you dont know me a bit.
Well please tell me what makes me so suspicious in your book, what have i said or done to make me suspicious? The reason that i dont agree with you, or that i find your style of playing irritating. Please attack the actions of players, not the personality of the players, because its simply insulting.
Then lets have a look at your game. First like it has been mentioned, you claimed that if inspected you would come out unclear, now several players have stated, that infact you come out as innocent. Why did you lie about your status? In this game, people caught from lying should be lynched. Next you have showed parts of your role pm and once some of those parts have been contradicted, you explain that you might have made few mistakes in quoting your pm. How can text turn into something else when you copy and paste it from a pm?
Third you cant give any reason how you were saved during night one, other then luck, whats the possibility that doctor or townie group decided to protect you on night one, compared to the possibility that you were protected by your Luca?
So you have been lying. Forging your role to the town and miraculously saved on night one. If anything, you sound like a mafia Don to me.
When summarizing all this i doubt you have any credibility to throw mud around the town, instead you should feel lucky that you havent been lynched yet.

Andres

02-11-2008, 15:07

Let's stay calm, shall we? It's a game after all.

That said, I agree with Kage's sentiments.

Unselect : myself
Select : Kagemusha

EDIT:
CapoTally 1184
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 12 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 6 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

Kommodus

02-11-2008, 15:30

This keeps coming up and I'm still confused. Wasn't Beefy attacked only on the first night? Didn't pevergreen form and participate in a vigilante squad to attack Beefy (supposedly for the purposes of training a doctor/surgeon)? How do we know the mafia want Beefy dead, or is it just a misinterpretation of the first night's actions?

There was also the PM quoted by Pannonian, prior to the night 2 summary:

orders have come down from the Don. There is one way you may prove your worth to the family. The Don has deemed it necessary for Beefy (187 that is) to die. If you can help me hit this "problem" you will be welcomed with open arms into the family. what is your response?

So it seemed to me that Beefy187 had indeed become a target for the mafia, even if the first hit didn't come from them.

Got myself a pm telling Kommodos is criminal. So I'm not going to listen to much to Kommodus this time.

Well dag-nabbit! :furious3:

The only explanation I can think of is:

Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.

Drisos

02-11-2008, 15:46

The only explanation I can think of is:

Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.

Of course, if you're innocent, it will be very frustrating to hear, as 'bad luck' can be your only logical point proving your innocense. But, you must admit a 1 in ~7 chance is pretty small... so small, that it's reason enough for suspicion.:book:

LittleGrizzly

02-11-2008, 15:58

Select : Louis VI the Fat

I was thinking either louis or kagemusha, louis seems to have less suspicion on him...

not really sure who to vote for....

ill go for a Lynch : Abstain for the moment and ill probably change it later...

Proletariat

02-11-2008, 16:04

For the few people asking why I voted GH with no explanation, it was because I didn't have much time yesterday, but I wanted to make sure my vote got in.

I'm voting GH for two reasons; he's a criminal and he's not helping the town. Just about all his posts so far consist of, 'No, I'm not mafia. Dunno what else to say' or weak accusations like 'So far Sig and The Stranger seem the most scummy'. Who knows, maybe Sigurd is mafia, but that's the best you can come up with in this massive thread so far? I'm just not buying it. GH is way too skilled of a mafia player for me to think he's putting his best effort into a townie win when looking at his fairly paltry posting so far.

Also, Tiberius might be scum, I have no clue. It doesn't look good for him right now, but the guy leading the charge against him, Pannonian is also criminal. Why are we blindly trusting him? Because of one PM he's brought forth publicly?

When you find out great players like GH or Pan are criminals, they have to go, imo. They can be useful townies in death if they really have the town's interests in heart, but if they are mafia scum, you're leaving them alive with very powerful roles (remember, these two are criminals. That means at best a neutral wise guy, or at worst a made or a luca.)

Select: Louis

CapoTally 1188
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 14 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 6 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

Lt. Pinard

02-11-2008, 16:26

Lynch: Abstain

Director: Louis

CapoTally 1189
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 6 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

Husar

02-11-2008, 16:52

Keep a bloody tally!!

Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Let me quote this again and this time I'll make it clear for everybody:

All your tallies miss his vote!

I hope someone is able to read it the third time...

Joe Monks

02-11-2008, 16:55

Well I just got updated on the thread finally by reading for like an hour in the library in Liverpool. I will be back tomorrow to participate more and so on.

Personally I now think that Glenn needs to be lynched. I think he is a don, and tiberius too. I think Tiberius has doctored his role PM. Forgetting to include his number 4 part role so that to me is questionable. Revealing his part 5 role as Agent when it says do not reveal is breaking the rules and since nothing has come from seamus about it I think that it is a fake reveal.

I don't know about director, I don't see any reason to vote for louis or any other on the list. If anything I think that Pannonian would be a good choice. In the mafia games I have read, [this is my first played] he always does well for the town, and other people say this about him in the thread.

Select:Kagemusha.

Because louis is being selected by the lynchee and glenn. No offence Louis.

Vote:Hanibalbarc for double lynch.

Joe

Jubal_Barca

02-11-2008, 17:05

Am I still in this? I've been terrible busy, sorry guys.

Select; Kagemusha

Lynch; GH if so.

Charge

02-11-2008, 17:19

CapoTally 1194
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 7 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks)
GeneralHankerchief = 6 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

shlin28

02-11-2008, 17:38

Has anyone seen Tran around before?
Introduce yourself properly Tran, what do you make of all this hulabaloo?
Who do you think is guilty?
Twilightblade?
Why?

:inquisitive:

Who died and made you the boss? :inquisitive: I am that close to vote for you just to get rid of you... If you search the forum a bit, you will have realised that Tran (as have others I believe you have accused them of noobiness), has participated at least one another mafia game (I think), so do a bit of research beforehand please.

Anyway, Select Beefy

Edit: Selected Beefy because he seemed to be pretty innocent. Still wondering how he survived the first attack though...

Alexander the Pretty Good

02-11-2008, 18:31

Lynch: Abstain
Select: Abstain

Caius

02-11-2008, 18:36

Lynch: Abstain
Select: Abstain
Thats all you have to say? The last time you abstained was in Midgard, were you were mafia!

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 18:45

I agree with prole

Therefore I vote:GH

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 7 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, TS)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

Sasaki Kojiro

02-11-2008, 18:53

I trust pann and kommo despite the criminal results. They've both been working for the town. Kommo also hates being mafia. Pann has claimed wise guy and kommo has claimed townie.

This differs from Andres who hasn't claimed wise guy or townie and is instead casting doubt on the investigators. So it's pretty clear he's mafia.

I think we're going to have to be more careful with the way we reveal results in the thread though. Needs more gaurantees of accuracy and less "someone told me..." or in the strangers case:

from the top of my mind... that is Sasaki, GH, Andres and another one... but not 100% sure...

Which Andres reports as:

We have Sasaki (Sasaki, of all players !) who said I came up as "criminal" after investigation. The same Sasaki who got investigated and came up as "criminal" himself according to TS. And Sasaki backs his claim up with : "I promise that these results are 100 % accurate".

Caius

02-11-2008, 18:56

This differs from Andres who hasn't claimed wise guy or townie and is instead casting doubt on the investigators. So it's pretty clear he's mafia.

I see that action defensive than Andres being mafia. Again, how can I trust your results?

Tratorix

02-11-2008, 19:21

Unvote: Tiberius

Vote: Hannibalbarc Lets see if we can get a double lynch.

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 19:27

e might as well go for a triple lynch...

Drisos

02-11-2008, 19:39

e might as well go for a triple lynch...

I agree for now.. some people should unvote tiberius and vote GH and hannibalbarc. it's still possible.

I missed out the part on GH being investigated as criminal... combined with his behaviour, he's on my lynch list as well. :book: :balloon2: :2thumbsup:

woad&fangs

02-11-2008, 19:48

I have doubts about how Holmes caught a new player so easily but the new version of Holmes appears to be very powerful so I'll vote: HannibalBarc. As to what Mydrraal said a few pages back about the two groups facing off outside of JimBobs apartment: He is most likely correct. Me, Pann, and our third would be one of the two groups of doctors.

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 9 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks, Brave Sir Robin, woad&fangs)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, TS)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 19:51

unvote: vote:Hanibalbarc

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 10 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks, Brave Sir Robin, woad&fangs, TS)
GeneralHankerchief = 6 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Makanyane

02-11-2008, 19:58

e might as well go for a triple lynch...
I'm not advocating that double didn't exactly work well last time, there are too many players that can pop in at last minute - and also director is under suspicion apparently...

But I don't want to go with the current rolling bandwagon, Tiberious's role pm looked dubious but I'm also slightly suspicious of Pan and w&f who brought up original pm...

Proletariat's reasoning looked best in this so will agree with her conclusion:
Vote:GeneralHankerchief
Select: Louis

have been trying to update tally but everytime I check thread a new vote has come in - I'll do tally in later post if no-one else does....

Makanyane

02-11-2008, 20:06

Capo Tally after post 1205
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 10 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks, Brave Sir Robin, woad&fangs, TS)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, Makanyane)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 16 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard, Makanyane)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

please people check I've got that right now!

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 20:09

@maka: yeah offcourse that could happen, but then atleast we have one... we could try atleast... and when someone comes in last minute and changes the vote... he seriously has something to explain

Makanyane

02-11-2008, 20:13

@maka: yeah offcourse that could happen, but then atleast we have one... we could try atleast... and when someone comes in last minute and changes the vote... he seriously has something to explain
director gets choice not to lynch at all if there is tie... and there seems to be queries at least about current director, though it would leave him some explaining to do as well. If others still think its worthwhile fine, I just wanted to point out drawbacks...

at least this deadline is more sociable time of day for some of us!

Craterus

02-11-2008, 20:20

Wow, catching up with this has taken a considerable amount of my evening and I started skimming towards the end. However, I don't understand how Glenn still isn't being lynched.

1) He got saved (clearly by another player) on night one and his explanation for this is luck - he denies that anyone else was involved though clearly someone was and the most likely explanation is a Luca (possibly Jimbob).
2) The 'red' role PMs which we happen to know a lot about. Were they really all in red, Glenn and Jimbob would not have said anything. How could they? They are clearly not allowed to divulge anything about their roles. The defence for this is that it's been cleared by Seamus. However, I think its far more likely that he has not commented publicly or imposed sanctions/WoG is that these roles are simply made up. I mean, come on, they even say their group has 3 members which sounds suspiciously like the starting makeup of a mafia family. Jimbob only arrived when it looked like Don Glenn was done for and then they make up some stupid code word defence? Ugh, I don't believe this one bit.
3) He's annoying and posts utter drivel most of the time. I also think personal attacks are out of line, even in games like this.

Speaking of which, select: Kagemusha. His mafia credentials are impressive, worthy director imo.

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 20:22

director gets choice not to lynch at all if there is tie... and there seems to be queries at least about current director, though it would leave him some explaining to do as well. If others still think its worthwhile fine, I just wanted to point out drawbacks...

at least this deadline is more sociable time of day for some of us!
Last time there was a tie and the director chose to lynch only one candidate, the director himself was lynched the very next round (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1410404&postcount=14). Although that could have been because the director was the other tied candidate (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1406277&postcount=12).

Husar

02-11-2008, 20:23

Yes, I'm considering four lynches today now, or else I will take propositions for vigilante-killing Glenn. ~D

Craterus

02-11-2008, 20:25

Sorry, I forgot the tally:

Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 10 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks, Brave Sir Robin, woad&fangs, TS)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, Makanyane)
Glenn = 4 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou, Craterus)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 16 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard, Makanyane)
Kagemusha = 9 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca, Craterus)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

TruePraetorian

02-11-2008, 20:28

Unvote: Tiberius of the Drake
Vote: Hannibalbarc

Lynch Votes: as of 1213
Tiberius of the Drake = 12 (Ajaxfetish, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 11 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks, Brave Sir Robin, woad&fangs, TS, TruePraetorian)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, Makanyane)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 16 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard, Makanyane)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

Bolded for easier reference :yes:

Hannibalbarc

02-11-2008, 20:37

This is weird, testing Holmes on me, I feel like a lab rat.~D

Leet Eriksson

02-11-2008, 20:48

Vote: Hannibalbarc

My only reason is a double lynch is always better than a single lynch, who knows which one is mafia?

VOTE: Husar for director

Husar voted for me in the first place as director, so i'll extend my courtesy :yes:

Lynch Votes

Tiberius of the Drake = 12 (Ajaxfetish, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 12 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks, Brave Sir Robin, woad&fangs, TS, TruePraetorian, Leet Eriksson)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, Makanyane)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Votes:

Louis VI the Fat = 16 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard, Makanyane)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 2 (Beefy, Leet Eriksson)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

Craterus

02-11-2008, 20:56

Ok, and now the tally with my votes included... :furious:

Lynch Votes

Tiberius of the Drake = 12 (Ajaxfetish, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 12 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks, Brave Sir Robin, woad&fangs, TS, TruePraetorian, Leet Eriksson)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, Makanyane)
Glenn = 4 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou, Craterus)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)

Director Votes:

Louis VI the Fat = 16 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard, Makanyane)
Kagemusha = 9 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca, Craterus)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 2 (Beefy, Leet Eriksson)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)

GeneralHankerchief

02-11-2008, 21:02

@Prole:

Last time I actually voiced my suspicions I was crucified for "trying to take attention off myself."

I can't win.

Husar

02-11-2008, 21:10

@Prole:

Last time I actually voiced my suspicions I was crucified for "trying to take attention off myself."

I can't win.
Try calling yourself suspicious. ~;)

Seamus Fermanagh

02-11-2008, 21:20

Voting and Selection for Day Three is concluded. I will consult with the Director review tallies and post results as quickly as possible hereafter.

Tiberius of the Drake

02-11-2008, 21:50

Pannonian

02-11-2008, 21:57

Im gonna stop beating around bush. My attempted reveal was pathetic and I realise how stupid ive been so. Im just gonna say that pannonian is actuallyh right and I am Mafia and I bring a message from my Don.

This is I, the Don of Tiberius of the Drake.
I hereby invite the Dons of the other families to a temporary truce and would like to set up a meeting. In your ranks you have those who are either dead or expendable. Send a message to me (via Tiberius) through these persons with the following details:

1. Your family name
2. In the don pm there is a secret codeword in the first section. Name the word(s) in the parenthesis of that first section.
3. Also in the first section under victory condition, name the 3rd word in the first sentence.

If you pass these 3 tests, I will return your messenger to you with details of our meeting where you will be ensured total anonymousity.
I don't see much wrong technically in communicating via expendables, though I must say it seems a little stupid to trust them so, but I have to object to communicating via the dead as somewhat against the spirit of the game (pardon the pun). Dead players should restrict themselves to commenting on the public thread, and not reveal nor indulge in any private communications. The post mortem is such a powerful tool that dead players, especially townies, can unbalance the game if they're allowed to be conduits.

Drisos

02-11-2008, 22:03

Does the writing style of Tib's Don ring a bell to anyone?

btw, seems no reason why Tib would lie about this stuff. As pro-town, this would be ridiculous. So, we can trust the story.. and he was mafia..

Now let's hope GH is lynched as well. :book: :balloon2:

Caius

02-11-2008, 22:04

He is still alive.

Louis VI the Fat

02-11-2008, 22:04

1. Your family name
Fat

2. In the don pm there is a secret codeword in the first section. Name the word(s) in the parenthesis of that first section.
CHANCE

3. Also in the first section under victory condition, name the 3rd word in the first sentence.
SUCKER

Does this mean I'm in? I'm just dying to find out who those Barzini muppets and pink ballerina poofters are. :beam:

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 22:11

:laugh4:

Tiberius of the Drake

02-11-2008, 22:12

since im not technically dead yet, im not violating the spirit of the game

Haudegen

02-11-2008, 22:13

anonymousity

This word is odd. From a non-English native speaker perhaps. I´m not a native speaker myself, but it´s not in my trusted online dictionary. Does anyone know a language that has a very similar word?

Csargo

02-11-2008, 22:18

CountArach

02-11-2008, 22:19

The Stranger

02-11-2008, 22:28

well... than we can assume he isnt a native english speaker or it was done on purpose to create a diversion

Tratorix

02-11-2008, 23:03

well... than we can assume he isnt a native english speaker or it was done on purpose to create a diversion

Or we can assume they are a native English speaker with bad spelling and grammar. ~;)

seireikhaan

02-11-2008, 23:12

In the don pm there is a secret codeword in the first section. Name the word(s) in the parenthesis of that first section.
Hmm, does 'secret codeword' remind anyone else of a story that was spouted by a certain spammer who was saved by a mysterious hot dog vender...? I officially rest my case against Glenn, he needs to be lynched next turn, along with Jimbob.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 23:19

Well, apparently I'm considered to consider myself the boss of everyone.
Good.

I'm beginning to realise two distinct types of people posting here.

The first kind hate my style of playing the game, want me dead simply so they don't have to listen to me anymore, and some of these type sympathise with Andres, and vote for Kagemusha.

Notice that? How some of them write a large summary of how strange I am and then type Kagemusha for governor without explanation?

These people are also totally against the fact that I am bringing lurkers out into the open with bait - and this has certainly worked on Kagemusha, who jumps at the chance to defend himself, even from me.

Then there is the second type.
The type that either puts up with or understands my annoying approach to calling out the enemy, and even at times includes my own suspicions in their write ups.
These people are focused on thos who are continuing to show themselves more dangerous in game - and not just asking,
"Why haven't we killed Glenn yet? I wish he would shut up."

I think the latter are rational, and the former are disturbed by my views and forced therefore to answer them and dismiss them.

As far as I recall, people agree that this is classic mafioso behaviour.

Seamus Fermanagh

02-11-2008, 23:20

Main thread post #1234 (reads like a trill!)

"Oh, when the sun beats down and burns the tar up on the roof
And your shoes get so hot you wish your tired feet were fire-proof
Under the boardwalk, down by the sea, yeah
On a blanket with my baby is where I'll be

(Under the boardwalk) out of the sun
(Under the boardwalk) we'll be havin' some fun
(Under the boardwalk) people walking above
(Under the boardwalk) we'll be making love
Under the board-walk (board-walk!)"
-- The Drifters

Sunset Day Three:

This voting session was every bit as contentious as the last with accusations flying thick and fast. Most of the accusations -- but by no means all -- had been leveled at Tiberius of the Drake. As the meeting drew to a close and the votes were put in the bin however, it appeared that a number of votes had shifted....

"While our selection for Director for Days 4 and 5 will be Louis VI the Fat by a clear plurality, I regret to inform you that Tiberius of the Drake and Hannibalbarca have each received twelve votes from the Committee," stated Director Andres. "It is therefore MY decision as to what steps to take from here...

Andres paused -- a longish seeming pause -- and then spoke./I]

"The committee feels them to be equally guilty, then the shall suffer an equal fate. Hang them both."

[I]Tiberius and Hannibalhad their hands tied behind their backs and were then frog marched from the room by Fermanaghs strongarms. Followed by the Committee who came to witness, they were both marched down to the loading dock at the side of the Convention center (the back faces the boardwalk). Heavy steel beams lined either side of the loading bay with a heavy railed crane slung between them to haul the sometimes heavy items brought into the Convention Center at the rail spur.

The crane had not been used since the last time Barnum and Bailey's had been in town. It was in use now. Two classic hemp nooses -- one recently put up -- were hanging from the cranes support arms. The two were take by ladder up to the beams, the nooses hauled up and tightly cinched about their necks. Neither was offered a hood.

At a signal from Andres, both were pushed from the support beams and dropped the 15 feet or so to the end of the ropes. Both necks snapped instantly -- since the fall was double that used by the prison system.

Tiberius hung their with his eyes bulging and tongue protruding, blood dripping from his nose. Hannibal's neckbones had ripped apart completely, his neck stretching to more than a foot long when, after a brief pause, his head tore free entirely in a spray of blood. Both body and head landed near each other on the loading bay floor.

"Tonight's proceedings are finished," said Andres. The committee slowly filed out.

The cleaning staff never could completely erase the stain.

OOC

Lynched = Hannibalbarca & Tiberius of the Drake.

Night Three has begun and will continue until 1400 EST 12 FEB 8 (1800 GMT).

I'll try to cycle the next day phase from then until 1000 on the 13th if I can.

Tallies:

To Lynch:

Hannibalbarca = 12 (BSR, CA, Cow, Joe, Kommo, Leet, Pan, Sasaki, Sigurd, True, W&F, Stranger)

Tiberius of the Drake = 12 (Ajax, Dutch, GH, Haudegan, Kage, Myrdd, Sara, Scot, shlin, TinC, X2, Zorg)

GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Husar, Ichi, Jubal, Louis, Mak, Omanes, Prole)

Abstain = 4 (ATPG, Griz, LtP, Rythm)

Glenn = 3 (Andres, CR, X)

Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Charge, Glenn)

Pannonian = 2 (Jimbob,Tiberius)

Twilightblade = 2 (Chimp, Tran)

Andres = 1 (Hannibal)

To Select:

Louis VI the Fat = 14 (Ajax, Cow, CR, Glenn, Husar, Griz, Louis, LtP, Mak, Prole, Sara, Tiberius, TinC, X)

Kagemusha = 9 (Andres, Chimp, Crat, FH, Joe, Jubal, Kage, Kukri, NN)

Abstain = 4 (ATGP, CA, Tran, X)

Beefy187 = 2 (Kommo, shlin)

Husar = 2 (Beefy, Leet)

A couple of others had one vote, often an auto-vote.

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 23:30

Sarathos

02-11-2008, 23:33

Rules Broken:

You are recieving this message through a junior member as to keep my identity confedential. It may be sent by more then one junior member, depending on which one gets back to me.

The reason I contact you today is plain and simple: I investigated you. I knew you were in Pevergreens group, and thought of you as suspicious, so on N2 I investigated.

You have shown up as *******.

Now, I know you weren't in a protection group, and I suspect that Pevergreen was indeed starting a family...so tell me, are you a wiseguy or a townie?

If you think you can lie to me, I will just investigate you again tonight. This PM will not be revealed on my part, as it will reveal my identity. I suggest you do the same, for if people found you a wiseguy how do you think you will fair? Pevergreen didnt fair so well...

I know me and at least 3 others think of you as suspicious. We don't vote for you because you are not a...prime...candidate. If you can be honest and reveal to us if you are a wiseguy or a townie, I will let you off the hook. But, if you lie to us, I know you are mafia...and will do much to get you lynched.

Best regards.

Also, don't think you can pester my "telephone" with sensless nitpicking of "who are you, tell me I won't tell", I've already worked out the details with him of what may happen.

I won't tell you who sent this so please don't ask..and if you think you know who it is please don't give me a bad name I may play mafia when im a member.

PershsNhpios

02-11-2008, 23:36

CountArach

02-11-2008, 23:37

The use of the word "nitpicking" to me implies it was Glenn. Similarly, the short paragraphs do that.

Kagemusha

02-11-2008, 23:39

You didn't ask questions Kagemusha, you just made a statement and said you were being insulted.
You have a look at the arguments against me made by your buddies, and then judge who is being insulted with personal arguments that are non-game related.

Please Glenn.Go back and read the post again. There are three quite clear questions there. Im sure you will find them from there.:yes:

Csargo

02-11-2008, 23:44

nvm

Crazed Rabbit

02-11-2008, 23:44

Come on Andres, have them both lynched and help your mafia family and the town out.

CR

Tratorix

02-11-2008, 23:46

Rules Broken:

What rule does funneling pms through someone else break? I was under the impression that this was allowed.

CountArach

02-11-2008, 23:48

What rule does funneling pms through someone else break? I was under the impression that this was allowed.
It was in the first Capo.

Caius

02-11-2008, 23:49

Double accounts arent allowed.

Drisos

02-11-2008, 23:50

Perhaps Mafioso-Andres isn't really willing to lynch anyone that isn't pro-town? Why on earth did he become director? :embarassed: :wall:

Well, at least, non-lynching may convince enough people of his guilt to get a lynch done! :book: :balloon2:

Tratorix

02-11-2008, 23:52

Double accounts arent allowed.

I know that. It seems like whoever sent the pm just sent it to someone and used them as a filter.

JimBob

02-11-2008, 23:58

1209 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1830445&postcount=1209)

2) The 'red' role PMs which we happen to know a lot about. Were they really all in red, Glenn and Jimbob would not have said anything. How could they? They are clearly not allowed to divulge anything about their roles. The defence for this is that it's been cleared by Seamus. However, I think its far more likely that he has not commented publicly or imposed sanctions/WoG is that these roles are simply made up.
I now invoke the rule of 751 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1827183&postcount=751), anything that exonerates one of crime will be ignored.

I quote, directly from Seamus "The Bear" Fermanagh.

2. The mention of the presence of Red text in one's role PM is not, of itself, a contravention of the required confidentiality. How valuable that is, of itself, is a separate question.
Okay? Good, let's continue.

Quotation, specific references, or detailed allusion to the material therein are not permissable. SO FAR, no one has crossed the line (though at least 4 players have made indirect allusions). Please keep it that way.
This was done once since this was posted. (It was actually the only new information about our role that came out since that post). That post was 938 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828773&postcount=938)
Until then, in the words of our games host (aka the person who makes the rules), there had only been indirect allusions. So yeah, not so much on the "we can't divulge stuff" front, unless there's a probability higher than 100%.

I mean, come on, they even say their group has 3 members which sounds suspiciously like the starting makeup of a mafia family.
I never put that together. I just said there were three because well, there are three good guys. One of us is still missing. If we were trying to lie why wouldn't we just say it's the two of us? Do you really think we're that stupid?

Jimbob only arrived when it looked like Don Glenn was done for and then they make up some stupid code word defence? Ugh, I don't believe this one bit.
This line has come up before, and I feel I have not satisfactorily answered it.

The reason I showed up late was that I wasn't on The Org for a few days before the game started, and even into the first few days. Why? I honestly forgot Capo was starting, I had mid-term exams last week combined with the fact that my Ultimate team was hosting a tournament this weekend. So, in sum, I had alot of real world stuff to do. That's where the posting frenzy on the 7th came from. I showed up to the party only to find it had started with one of my partners up on the chopping block. Without him we were next to useless, so I dove in to save him, and hopefully the town.

As to the code words, they exist. And on that note I'd like to deliver a message to our third member, wherever he is.

The blade is ready, the axe is poised. Bring the crown and we can get this on. (We understand each other? Show yourself, seriously, we need to start rooting mafia out and making them dead).