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Seamus Fermanagh
02-08-2008, 13:51
Notes from host:
RULE CHANGE:
1. Following an excellent suggestion from Makanyane, I am instituting immediately the following rule:
You may NOT EDIT your votes/selections. Feel free to edit the remainder of any such post as you wish. However, to alter your selection/vote you MUST make a new post.
This is, of course, to minimize confusion and allow a reasonably diligent player to track the votes for herself without requiring a complete review of all posts for that phase each and every time, which would represent an unreasonable burden. Thank you.
2. The mention of the presence of Red text in one's role PM is not, of itself, a contravention of the required confidentiality. How valuable that is, of itself, is a separate question. Quotation, specific references, or detailed allusion to the material therein are not permissable. SO FAR, no one has crossed the line (though at least 4 players have made indirect allusions). Please keep it that way.
Note: This whole thing has been a lot of fun thus far. "Curioser and curioser, said Alice."
So if Glenn/JimBob/Drisos are pro-town, then pretty much of mafiosos screwed up themselves already ~D
I wasn't part of the axe-blade-crown-stuff. I was born regular detective.
Mention: I do NOT trust Andres.
I hope you're right about the protection groups lol.
Anyway I think that most who'll vote for Glenn or JimBob. Will show to be ignorant of mafia. Funny that 20 votes went to Glenn this time. That's about the Mafia size. Though I can understand those that voted for Glenn previous round. Especially those who voted ealry and haven't been able to keep track.
We actually have a few arguments that show Glenn and the others are innocent. Whereas most players even don't. Yet Glenn is 'suspected' this much. I'm starting to wander, what reason they have for wanting to get Glen lynched. Even Seamus told us indirectly that Glenn indeed is a crusader. Glenn couldn't have said too much about the red text in his pm while talking about the crusaders and his role pm, if he wasn't a crusader.
GeneralHankerchief
02-08-2008, 14:32
I use the RTW skin. I got used to it as it was the default when I first joined. The switch to M2TW threw me off, so I set it to RTW.
Ajax
Okay, thanks.
What's interesting though is how you "check your inbox constantly" for incoming PMs, or at least that's what you say you do.
Why, though? In every forum skin but one (PDA) there is the little PM notifier on the upper-right corner of every single page on the forum. Checking one's inbox constantly is not necessary to determine whether a new PM has come or not.
It's more likely that it was a quickly-fabricated excuse in order to get out of the jam that Rhythmic was putting you in.
I may be way off-base here, but the question is: Who were you PMing?
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 16:17
when will the identity of drisos be revealed?
Hannibalbarc
02-08-2008, 16:45
when will the identity of drisos be revealed?I believe he said he was a detective.
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 16:55
that is what he says... i know... but what will seamus say...
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-08-2008, 17:36
that is what he says... i know... but what will seamus say...At the beginning of night four.
On another note, why are you so curious to know? Are you trying to gauge how long your family has left, or is the reason a little less sinister?
I also want to hear a little more from GH, who so far has totally ignored my demand for answers. Why this selective notice GH?
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 17:43
the reason is less sinister... he can rally the town...
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-08-2008, 17:47
the reason is less sinister... he can rally the town...It's odd that you think that TS - didn't he claim that you were associated with Sigurd (who was, according to his knowledge, a Don). I'm exceptionally confused by your logic.
Pannonian
02-08-2008, 17:47
At the beginning of night four.
On another note, why are you so curious to know? Are you trying to gauge how long your family has left, or is the reason a little less sinister?
I also want to hear a little more from GH, who so far has totally ignored my demand for answers. Why this selective notice GH?
What selective notice?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-08-2008, 17:54
What selective notice?In this context it is used to define an individual who only notices what they want to notice, and completely ignores everything else. I would have said selective hearing, but that isn't really appropriate under these circumstances.
I should have made myself more clear - sorry ~:(
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 17:59
It's odd that you think that TS - didn't he claim that you were associated with Sigurd (who was a Don). I'm exceptionally confused by your logic.
he said that... later he claimed im innocent... i trust him he trusts me...
Proletariat
02-08-2008, 18:24
What selective notice?
norwegian nerd's post doesn't ease my mind totally, but at least he's talked anyhow:
Unvote: norwegian nerd
Glenn is a player I'm in a little doubt about after last night's attack. There was only one protector (was this a Luca or a Surgeon?), although he did seem fairly surprised at the save, possibly indicating that he had no idea quite what was going on. I do think a Luca may have told his boss a little more if he were to be trying to rescue him from an attack. I'm not quite sure of what logic Seamus uses when writing the kills though, so this may not be the case.
He's behaving how he's behaved in Fimbulwinter, my game, but of course, I can't really reveal his role since the game is still in progress. He may be a little eccentric and slightly paranoid, although his behaviour does so far seem to be the norm for him regardless.
I'm now looking more to GH, who hasn't really posted much since last night, and has also completely slipped under the radar in the meantime. He still hasn't explained his aggressive and somehow obsessive method of him defending a player and himself. When I last saw him exhibit this sort of behaviour, he was Lycan, a serial killer, in pevergreen's Fantasy Mafia. He certainly needs to be looked into.
Vote: GH
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1825901&postcount=465
I agree with Omanes, GH is using the Glenn-Jimbob-Pever mess, and now harping on ajaxfetish about his forum skin to avoid any serious scrutiny on his suspect activity early on.
ajaxfetish
02-08-2008, 18:28
Okay, thanks.
What's interesting though is how you "check your inbox constantly" for incoming PMs, or at least that's what you say you do.
Why, though? In every forum skin but one (PDA) there is the little PM notifier on the upper-right corner of every single page on the forum. Checking one's inbox constantly is not necessary to determine whether a new PM has come or not.
It's more likely that it was a quickly-fabricated excuse in order to get out of the jam that Rhythmic was putting you in.
I may be way off-base here, but the question is: Who were you PMing?
There is the pm notifier, however it only updates if I refresh a page (at least I'm pretty sure that's how it works), and with long pages of text in the main thread to work through, I keep my pm inbox open on another tab. And every so often I switch over to it and refresh to see if anything's changed. I think I'm a little excitable since this is my first game: usually there's nothing new. I get the same way with tracking packages online sometimes.
Ajax
Seamus Fermanagh
02-08-2008, 18:57
The identities of the dead are revealed on the 3rd morning following their death. E.G. Murdered Night One, Role Revealed at BEGINNING of Day 4 (a.k.a. night 3 wrap up).
Good. If he appears to be a detective. He can be the central point of information for the pro-town team.
Makanyane
02-08-2008, 19:03
The identities of the dead are revealed on the 3rd morning following their death. E.G. Murdered Night One, Role Revealed at BEGINNING of Day 4 (a.k.a. night 3 wrap up).
sorry if this is wrong thread but as convo is here and I got confused at some stage... Is that the same for lynched, eg do we get more details on pevergreen's role?
Good. If he appears to be a detective. He can be the central point of information for the pro-town team. would also be good to know why he apparently change mind about some stuff though...
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 19:05
we will get info about pevergreen at the end of day 4... then i guess..
would also be good to know why he apparently change mind about some stuff though...
Indeed.
But if he wants to score points and still wants to win, dead or not, he should be hounest.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-08-2008, 20:21
Is that the same for lynched, eg do we get more details on pevergreen's role?
Yes. As to how informative you find it.....
GeneralHankerchief
02-08-2008, 20:58
I also want to hear a little more from GH, who so far has totally ignored my demand for answers. Why this selective notice GH?
I don't know; what do you want me to say? :shrug:
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 21:02
:laugh4:
That you are a don, and that you know for sure who the other mafiosi and families are, and wo they are...
CountArach
02-08-2008, 22:29
Anyway I think that most who'll vote for Glenn or JimBob. Will show to be ignorant of mafia. Funny that 20 votes went to Glenn this time. That's about the Mafia size. Though I can understand those that voted for Glenn previous round. Especially those who voted ealry and haven't been able to keep track.
So are you saying that the entirety of both mafia families voted for Glenn for no other reason than they know he is not in their family? We could make the same argument for pevergreen. Really I am wondering why you are so keen to defend Glenn at the expense of everyone who voted for him?
What part of he is a crusader don't you get?
CountArach
02-08-2008, 22:46
What part of he is a crusader don't you get?
The part where he is a crusader...
The part where he continues to act in an anti-Town fashion...
The part where he continues to deceive the town...
What part of he is a crusader don't you get?
Why is he a crusader? Blade, axe and crown could mean anything, like cultists, stonemasons, weaponsmiths, monarchists, anything really :dizzy2:
scottishranger
02-08-2008, 23:08
Why is he a crusader? Blade, axe and crown could mean anything, like cultists, stonemasons, weaponsmiths, monarchists, anything really :dizzy2:
What exactly is a crusader anyways, and why are we assuming that he is one.
All I know is that a crusader was normally in the Crusades, but I think we are a couple of centuries of here, so yea...
Is it a special role?Or just something people like to claim to be?
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 23:13
i think it is a nick people made up for a certain group or role...
pevergreen
02-08-2008, 23:19
The correct term would be Masons.
The info Seamus posts is only showing role. eg:
pevergreen - Wise Guy
The Stranger - Made Gangster
It doesnt tell you anything more than that, so no family information.
Pannonian
02-08-2008, 23:28
Here's the summary thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77665) for Capo 1. An example of a post-mortem.
“Alright, me lads…pardon, my officers have been working hard to follow up on our deceased and determine what we could. I have happy news to report. You got one! Kralizec looked squeaky clean on the surface, but rummaging through his accounts and effects we realize that he was another Al Capone – you lynched the Don, the leader, of one of these despicable gangs. Hizzoner may really have come up with a way for Fatlington to live, and you’ve all done your part. Well done folks, well done…”
A short pause.
“Stig too was a criminal. We’d had indications before this, but nothing conclusive. There was, however, nothing to connect him to one of the predatory gangs, so our current theory is that he wouldn’t play ball so he was taken for a ride – well, in his case a bad dinner.”
"Our other losses were, according to all we can find out, both innocent townsmen who committed suicide under the stress of things. Ichigo was distraught for some time, facing turmoil at home, and this appears to have driven him to flights of fancy. He claimed to have attempted a murder, failed at it, and apparently…er…lost his way. Tribesman had enemies – anyone who chatted politics with him would confirm that. They would tell you he knew all the tricks: puns, metaphor, dramatic irony even….sarcasm. Despite which he calmly and deliberately drank himself to death."
"I hope you can continue your previous success today and continue to root out these scum. Good luck.”
The correct term would be Masons.
Tell Seamus, not me. :egypt:
I don't know; what do you want me to say? :shrug:
So, I herd you were scum. What do you think about that?
GeneralHankerchief
02-08-2008, 23:56
So, I herd you were scum. What do you think about that?
Whoever told you that was wrong.
The Stranger
02-08-2008, 23:59
The correct term would be Masons.
The info Seamus posts is only showing role. eg:
pevergreen - Wise Guy
The Stranger - Made Gangster
It doesnt tell you anything more than that, so no family information.
are you saying im a made? and on what do you base that... well mades show up criminal dont they... have any detective screen me and im 100% sure ill show up innocent...
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 00:01
are you saying im a made? and on what do you base that... well mades show up criminal dont they... have any detective screen me and im 100% sure ill show up innocent...
Eg.
Edit: Bad conscience, TS?
Whoever told you that was wrong.
The way you're playing tends to make me lean more towards believing them than you.
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 00:04
no... not at all...
I also heard GH was scum... heck... I even told GH he was scum...
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 00:05
The way you're playing tends to make me lean more towards believing them than you.
Good for them.
They're still wrong.
RoadKill
02-09-2008, 00:07
A day and there are 7 pages. How can i particiapte if I can't even keep up.
Good for them.
They're still wrong.
Don't expect to live long acting like that.
woad&fangs
02-09-2008, 00:15
A day and there are 7 pages. How can i particiapte if I can't even keep up.
Do what I do. Pay attention to the corner of the Capo world you know about and skim over the rest.
For me that means I look at posts either by or about myself, Pevergreen, Pannonian, Glenn, Sarathos, Makanyane, Crazed Rabbit, and CountArach. I've been in contact with all of them about various things behind the scenes at one point or another. I skim over the rest and just get the general gist of them.
CountArach
02-09-2008, 00:30
Why were you in contact with Glenn? Did I miss something earlier?
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 00:34
Yes, you silly billy goat, Woad&Fangs was the very first to PM me about a doctor group.
Gee gollydrops CountArach, you can't be a detective!
woad&fangs
02-09-2008, 00:34
He was one of the people I originally contacted about forming a doctor group and possibly vigilanting Pever. Then he ratted me out to Pever. That's my connection with him.
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 00:36
Why were you in contact with Glenn? Did I miss something earlier?
Lots of people have been in contact with lots of people. This is the Capo early game we're talking about here. I've had a few friendly communications with pevergreen, the round before I called for him to be lynched. I've had a few friendly communications with Glenn too, and a few not so friendly ones. People cast around for contacts in the early game, then probe them to see what info they can get from them. It's only later that firm networks are formed after some basis of trustworthiness has been established.
Yes, you silly billy goat, Woad&Fangs was the very first to PM me about a doctor group.
Gee gollydrops CountArach, you can't be a detective!
:huh: I'd expect you to be a little more serious...
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 00:43
You act serious, you're suspicious, you joke around, you're in despair, and you're also suspicious.
Really, it was just a post to say, "CountArach, you're probing at nothing - oh, and I'm still here!".
On an actually serious game note;
Alot of people have voiced the suspicion of GeneralHankerchief.
In fact, so many PMs are shooting around about him it's like a celebrity scandal.
Your name is getting very popular behind the scenes General, so could you or anyone else give evidence to suggest why or why not you may be a very shadowy character?
woad&fangs
02-09-2008, 00:46
So Glenn, you say that your role can investigate someone during the nightphase, correct?
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 00:51
why dont you do this over pm... it just adds useless pageinfo... it fills the threadpages with useless things... not like my posts however which are always constructive./..
CountArach
02-09-2008, 00:53
Lots of people have been in contact with lots of people. This is the Capo early game we're talking about here. I've had a few friendly communications with pevergreen, the round before I called for him to be lynched. I've had a few friendly communications with Glenn too, and a few not so friendly ones. People cast around for contacts in the early game, then probe them to see what info they can get from them. It's only later that firm networks are formed after some basis of trustworthiness has been established.
I know all of that - I've been doing it as well. I'm just wondering what the nature of his connection with Glenn was.
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 00:55
Alot of people have voiced the suspicion of GeneralHankerchief.
In fact, so many PMs are shooting around about him it's like a celebrity scandal.
Your name is getting very popular behind the scenes General, so could you or anyone else give evidence to suggest why or why not you may be a very shadowy character?
Are you asking me who I'm PMing or why I think I seem to be a target?
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 00:56
the latter i guess... but why dont you answer both...
TevashSzat
02-09-2008, 00:58
So pevergreen is the one lynched and not Glenn. Thats quite a surprise for me since I expected Glen or both to be not just pevergreen. I personally find Glenn's late unvote very scummy. While he may not be mafia due to the whole affair with JimBob, I say just kill him to be fair.
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 00:59
since when does fair have anything to do with mafia...
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 01:04
the latter i guess... but why dont you answer both...
Okay, fine.
I'm not gonna lie and say that none of the PMs I've shot around are from Capo, because some are. No more than anybody else has PM'd in this game, so if you want the contents of them, fat chance.
Not all of them are from Capo, however. I'm involved in two PBMs, and there are a lot of behind-the-scenes work going on in them. KotR, naturally, is one of them but the other is the Kingdoms-Crusades Hotseat. This is actually taking up more of my time and inbox space than either Capo or KotR. The general gist of it is that there are four remaining factions. Three of them - myself included - are involved in an evil plot which involves diversions and backstabbing of the lone outsider faction (Jerusalem). Since the actual "betrayal" hasn't happened yet, we're doing a lot of PMing for coordination purposes.
I'd appreciate it if you kept this information here. The only reason I gave it out is because nobody else involved in the Crusades Hotseat is playing. I can give samples of conversation if you'd like.
As for why I seem to be a target, I don't know. I haven't done much of anything in this game aside from PM a few people. My best guess is that my reputation is getting the better of me.
Some things are just unfair, that is life...[imagine hour-long philosophical discourse with myself].
Oh hi, just thought I post something here, trying to keep the average level of post content.
woad&fangs
02-09-2008, 01:22
So, Husar, in other words you're avoiding the WoG and trying to keep your post amount within a range that Holmes won't implicate you?
So, woad&fangs, in other words, I'm having 12 posts in here and it's only night two which is a bit more than avoiding the WoG...
Or in other words, if some people would stop posting useless drivel and irrelevant PM drama, my postcount wouldn't look so small. ~;p
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 01:34
So, woad&fangs, in other words, I'm having 12 posts in here and it's only night two which is a bit more than avoiding the WoG...
Or in other words, if some people would stop posting useless drivel and irrelevant PM drama, my postcount wouldn't look so small. ~;p
Indeed, it's not the size of the postcount that matters, it's what you do with it. One shouldn't be embarrassed about a small postcount, as long as one can use it effectively.
TruePraetorian
02-09-2008, 01:47
This is a little OOC;
I've already PMed Seamus, but does anyone else have problems with the new end turn times? Just asking. I do, it means I have to stay up until 12:00 at night to post or anything, I have classes from 6am to 3pm., and im in EST, which means if the day ends at 14:00 (2:00) then I will not be able to participate too often..
Back on the topic:
Has anyone forgotten Twilight last night(night for me)? He changed the vote at the last second. Even if it didn't count, it still is scummy, and I think we all lost interest in finding out why it happened.
So, Twilight, anymore explaining to do? :inquisitive:
CountArach
02-09-2008, 01:52
Whenever Seamus ends it there will be problems for someone. He should do whatever is concvenient.
Tiberius of the Drake
02-09-2008, 02:28
This is a little OOC;
Back on the topic:
Has anyone forgotten Twilight last night(night for me)? He changed the vote at the last second. Even if it didn't count, it still is scummy, and I think we all lost interest in finding out why it happened.
So, Twilight, anymore explaining to do? :inquisitive:
i would also like to hear some reasoning Twilight
Beefy187
02-09-2008, 02:33
Just a little notice. Ill be gone to boarding camp in about 3-4 hours and ill be back at monday in Australia. So I wont be able to reply or vote.
Good luck to good innocent peoples :laugh4: and bad eggs.. Have fun
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 02:34
Well, I can only claim to have neither any connection with twilight or even really to have ever PMed him.
But I realise that does not count for much.
However, the fact that he changed his vote isn't necessarily just good timing, but good reasoning on Pannonian's part.
What if I had been an hour and a half earlier? Would that of made me any more suspicious?
And why was my sudden vote change so scummy?
Either I wanted to live, for the reason which I thought had already been ascertained, that being there is more advantage in life than in death, or because I thought there was overwhelming evidence that Molonthegreat was more likely Mafia than myself.
No offence, Molonthegreat, but your name is very suspicious to me, as is your writing style. You don't put many spaces in your name either.
For the benefit of some of us mafia noobs, what is "WoG"?
Beefy187
02-09-2008, 02:39
For the benefit of some of us mafia noobs, what is "WoG"?
Wrath of God. Basically it means you get killed if you arent active enough
Louis VI the Fat
02-09-2008, 02:40
As a courtesy to new players:
Link to Mafia F.A.Q. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70374)
Wog = Wrath of God: (also known as Wrath of GH) What Lurkers suffer. They are no longer alive after the Wrath of God hits. The first Wrath of God famously took place in Game III but there will most likely be more. Many died from "Wrath of Silver Rusher" in the Godfather.
Edit: Beefy beat me to it. That's an old mafia tactic - says so in the f.a.q. too. It's very scummy. *keeps close watch on Beefy from now on*
No offence, Molonthegreat, but your name is very suspicious to me, as is your writing style. You don't put many spaces in your name either.
:laugh4:
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 02:44
Speaking of God.
GeneralHankerchief, you have been a player who has really kept to the shadows in this game - which means you must have a headstart on information compared to most of us.
Could you reaffirm your status one more time without being inconclusive and drawing off to other games I know nothing about?
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 02:45
I haven't kept to the shadows. I've been under various degrees of pressure for the entire game.
Link to Mafia F.A.Q. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70374)
Csar: Guilty.
:bigcry:
TruePraetorian
02-09-2008, 02:50
Glenn, I thought you learned being in the "spotlight" wasn't a good thing? Why are you suddenly suspicious of everyone?
TevashSzat
02-09-2008, 02:56
On the topic of post counts, I think that this is only my fourth or fifth post, but that shouldn't matter since I never post much
As for Glenn, I wouldn't be pointing fingers because you're very scummy or at least unpredictable in my books and probably in those of many here so you're probably going to be lynched tomorrow
I haven't kept to the shadows. I've been under various degrees of pressure for the entire game.
I shall ask you questions until you get to 4000 posts because I'm a nice guy like that.
So, who do you think deserves to be lynched next round?
Warluster
02-09-2008, 03:01
So, Twilight, anymore explaining to do? :inquisitive:
As I would like to hear from him. Is there any messages going?
I'd also agree with Xdeathfire. Are you attempting to push away the spotlight Glenn? Change the view of inquisitive eyes? As for your question why the sudden vote change is scummy; because it means something has suddenly changed your mind.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 03:02
Who else have I probed other than GH?
I am all but exposed to anyone who reads this thread, so I've fairly well decided I may as well be strapped to a board in the spotlight.
Or the moonlight.. on Hononluuuulu Bay..
As for XDeathfire, you along with Rythmic, and CrazedRabbit are the only three who would prefer to simply see me die rather than listen to any argument.
I think that could mean you are my enemy, and my only enemies are Mafia.
So why don't you take a big step back cat?
GH is my only worry, because I was just starting to PM him wth information and almost everyone I've contacted seems to be sure he is a Mafia-linked player.
Some people even suggested he may be a neutral Mafia, a shadowy Mafia.
Hence his status in sitting back and watching, without having to probe anyone.
TruePraetorian
02-09-2008, 03:03
Nope, haven't heard from him...haven't tried PMing him to be honest. Thought he might post eventually...
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 03:04
Oh, yes I suppose something did suddenly change in my mind laddy, I'm guessing that was the fact I came back to the forum and found I wasn't dead, but had a good 50/50 chance of survival.
Naturally, I thought I might stay alive, instead of eating poison.
How about you Warbuster? Would you rather eat poison?
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 03:31
GH is my only worry, because I was just starting to PM him wth information and almost everyone I've contacted seems to be sure he is a Mafia-linked player.
Some people even suggested he may be a neutral Mafia, a shadowy Mafia.
Hence his status in sitting back and watching, without having to probe anyone.
This post ticks me off for a variety of reasons.
- First of all, there's been a lot of "well, there's a lot of people who say GH is guilty." I've been getting this for two days now, and I'm tired of it. How can you expect me to properly defend myself when the accusations are coming from a secret shadow group that just say I'm guilty? They don't say what I've done (slept), they don't say how they got this information (they didn't, since I slept), or any detailed information at all, really. I mean, come on.
- Secondly, again, I am not sitting back and watching. I've been under more scrutiny in this game than everybody, with the exception of Glenn and a few other people. What about Sasaki? What about Ichigo? What about Kommodus? How come there isn't more suspicion on them? Oh wait, because "they" don't say they're guilty. Please.
@Ichigo: I don't know, it depends on what the Detectives say regarding their investigation targets during the night phase.
Chimpyang
02-09-2008, 03:42
Well the Twilight thing does need re-iteration as in a general forum (I have no doubt that PM's will have probably been passed around on the issue) , whilst the recent rush in analysing PM's has gone on, we need to see how in the face of an apparent draw...somebody broke ranks to try and change it at the last moment, before anyone else could correct the balance!
Anyhow! Post counts don't mean an awful lot to me....been on here since 03 and still havn't hit 600 yet!
- Secondly, again, I am not sitting back and watching. I've been under more scrutiny in this game than everybody, with the exception of Glenn and a few other people. What about Sasaki? What about Ichigo? What about Kommodus? How come there isn't more suspicion on them? Oh wait, because "they" don't say they're guilty. Please.
@Ichigo: I don't know, it depends on what the Detectives say regarding their investigation targets during the night phase.
I'm suspicious of both Sasaki and Kommodus, but neither seem to pay any attention. Maybe if I make it bigger they'll see it....
Sasaki:Why did you switch your vote from Glenn to pever even though you were the one who seemed too think he was the most suspicious?
Kommodus:What do you think about the game so far? Who's the most suspicious in your eyes? You haven't posted nearly enough in my mind and I don't like that.
I'm sure you know that in the third round it's highly unlikely that a Detective would reveal anything. I expected a much better response from you honestly. So, who's the most suspicious person in your opinion?
RoadKill
02-09-2008, 03:46
Yes, you silly billy goat, Woad&Fangs was the very first to PM me about a doctor group.
Gee gollydrops CountArach, you can't be a detective!
LIES!!! wOAD&fANG pmed me about that at the very begining.
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 04:02
In my opinion, the most suspicious people are Sigurd and Stranger.
I can't see why Drisos would do a fake reveal, especially after he died, unless he was hoping for a quick lynch (i.e. before his role was determined). Stranger is suspicious for his usual shenanigans, but it could just be normal behavior.
Sarathos
02-09-2008, 04:21
Has anyone forgotten Twilight last night He changed the vote at the last second. Even if it didn't count, it still is scummy, and I think we all lost interest in finding out why it happened.
So, Twilight, anymore explaining to do? :inquisitive:
Thats very good point, care to explain Twilight?
Has anyone else noticed The Stranger always...talking...like this. Maybe be something, maybe be nothing.
Btw, what does OOC stand for?
TruePraetorian
02-09-2008, 04:24
OOC is Out Of Context. It means "off topic post" for clarifaication.
In my opinion, the most suspicious people are Sigurd and Stranger.
I can't see why Drisos would do a fake reveal, especially after he died, unless he was hoping for a quick lynch (i.e. before his role was determined). Stranger is suspicious for his usual shenanigans, but it could just be normal behavior.
Then why did you switch your vote from TS to pever?
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 05:08
Because that would make his vote count.
Stranger's overuse of dots is making him very suspicious to everyone, this is why no one wants anything to do with him.
I myself admit I have tried to warn him his sentence structure may end in his death, but alas he continues in that style.
I can only ask, seeing as he came through for me - suddenly, that you find some other evidence other than his attitude before further suspicion.
Sarathos
02-09-2008, 06:02
Because that would make his vote count.
Stranger's overuse of dots is making him very suspicious to everyone, this is why no one wants anything to do with him.
Im glad someone else agreeds, is there any reason behind this TS?
And thanks for before TP.
Because that would make his vote count.
Stranger's overuse of dots is making him very suspicious to everyone, this is why no one wants anything to do with him.
I myself admit I have tried to warn him his sentence structure may end in his death, but alas he continues in that style.
I can only ask, seeing as he came through for me - suddenly, that you find some other evidence other than his attitude before further suspicion.
Well, unless he has some reason to think you're better off alive then pever.
TS is acting normally. He's spamming, PMing randomly, etc. It's hard to read him at least for me.
Edit:I don't think khaan's been posting enough. Not a good thing for the town imho
Kommodus
02-09-2008, 07:54
Kommodus:
I'm thinking I'm just getting started sifting through the massive amounts of data coming in. This is not going to be easy. :book:
With about half the discussion in this game coming from a top-tier group of nine players, I'd be looking to find some mafiosi in the much larger group of semi-lurkers.
FoS: Hannibalbarc
According to Holmes, this is one guy who fits a known mafioso profile... in the worst way. More likely to be a made gangster or Luca than a Don; either way, he's very likely to be bad news. I can't really, explain more than that; or rather, I choose not to. :wink:
More to follow... :holmes:
I'm thinking I'm just getting started sifting through the massive amounts of data coming in. This is not going to be easy. :book:
With about half the discussion in this game coming from a top-tier group of nine players, I'd be looking to find some mafiosi in the much larger group of semi-lurkers.
FoS: Hannibalbarc
According to Holmes, this is one guy who fits a known mafioso profile... in the worst way. More likely to be a made gangster or Luca than a Don; either way, he's very likely to be bad news. I can't really, explain more than that; or rather, I choose not to. :wink:
More to follow... :holmes:
Well, well, well the sleeping giant awakes. What about GH? Sasaki? There's nothing more you'd like to add?
Why?
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 08:06
I respect the fact you have this, "Holmes", or whatever it is, but what evidence have we that you are anything but an enemy of the people?
Couldn't Hannibal simply put, "Mafia Hunter", under his name and then suck on a pipe, waiting for people to ask his opinion?
Then again, you have already garnered suspicion, so there is no need to throw anymore upon you.
Can you give me anything that will put faith in you?
Oh- And.. What happened to the end of the night phase.
I would really like to know if I am still alive or not.
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 08:22
I respect the fact you have this, "Holmes", or whatever it is, but what evidence have we that you are anything but an enemy of the people?
Couldn't Hannibal simply put, "Mafia Hunter", under his name and then suck on a pipe, waiting for people to ask his opinion?
Then again, you have already garnered suspicion, so there is no need to throw anymore upon you.
Can you give me anything that will put faith in you?
Oh- And.. What happened to the end of the night phase.
I would really like to know if I am still alive or not.
:daisy:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-09-2008, 08:36
I started on this post about twelve hours ago, so it'll probably seem fairly out of context:
I don't know; what do you want me to say? :shrug:I just want to see you defend yourself in all honesty - it gives you a chance to slip up should you be a mafioso, which can provide sufficent evidence to later lynch you, or perhaps conclude your innocence.
So GH, why were you defending yourself so aggressively and in your mafia style before?
This defence, seen from this point (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1824430#post1824430) throughout D1/N1, was performed in a way as I have known you to in a guilty role in the past (Lycan (Serial Killer) in pevergreen's Fantasy Mafia). You roll your eyes and answer questions with other questions to try avoid providing what the original question asked of you.
I also want to know why others have previously claimed you to be a known mafioso?
Warluster
02-09-2008, 09:01
TO add to what pannonian said; Kommodus previously was a good Mafia Hunter. If he is Mafia now then at least he will give a honest opinion about the enemies of his. If not it shall help. Of course this gives rise to the worry that he could falsely accuse other people of such things...
But to what you said Glenn: Hannibal can put Mafia Hunter under his name but it would b a title as anyother, as is Kommodus's.
A question to Kommodus; why does he fit the mafia profile? How?
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 09:14
Understood, I withdraw my complaint.
I will also attempt not to, 'spam' from now on, and curtail my entertainment.
I respect the fact you have this, "Holmes", or whatever it is, but what evidence have we that you are anything but an enemy of the people?
Couldn't Hannibal simply put, "Mafia Hunter", under his name and then suck on a pipe, waiting for people to ask his opinion?
Then again, you have already garnered suspicion, so there is no need to throw anymore upon you.
Can you give me anything that will put faith in you?
Oh- And.. What happened to the end of the night phase.
I would really like to know if I am still alive or not.
Have you found your third person yet? It's strange no one has asked this yet so I will.
Pann: Since you seem to be around who do you find suspicious? You've yet to give any thoughts other than the NN incident that I can see. I would like to pick your brain if you'll allow it.
Crazed Rabbit
02-09-2008, 09:19
As for XDeathfire, you along with Rythmic, and CrazedRabbit are the only three who would prefer to simply see me die rather than listen to any argument.
I think that could mean you are my enemy, and my only enemies are Mafia.
Listen to your argument? I have listened and judged it wanting. Severely wanting.
Indeed, my last post before the lynch was a detailed refutation of the the logic that supported you.
It is classic scummy tactic to accuse your enemies. All of your postings so far have been saturated with the slime of mafia scum. All your posts are either very defensive or lashing out at people like Kommodus, who haven't even accused you.
Though his brief accusation of hannibal is rather circumspect.
CR
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 09:22
Have you found your third person yet? It's strange no one has asked this yet so I will.
Pann: Since you seem to be around who do you find suspicious? You've yet to give any thoughts other than the NN incident that I can see. I would like to pick your brain if you'll allow it.
Has the deadline passed yet for N2 orders? The deadline is 2330 EST, but I'm on GMT.
Has the deadline passed yet for N2 orders? The deadline is 2330 EST, but I'm on GMT.
It's past by about 4 hours.
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 09:34
Then I'll post this charming PM which was forwarded to me.
orders have come down from the Don. There is one way you may prove your worth to the family. The Don has deemed it necessary for Beefy (187 that is) to die. If you can help me hit this "problem" you will be welcomed with open arms into the family. what is your response?
Drake's family can organise a revenge attack on the recipient of this PM if they like, but since he's expendable (we all are), a one for one exchange is still good for the town.
Well my search function is spent for a couple of hours, but could someone else check Drakes posts for anything that could be useful?
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 09:53
Well my search function is spent for a couple of hours, but could someone else check Drakes posts for anything that could be useful?
11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1823412&postcount=11)
I suggest that we go for someone who will know what they are doing on the first day so that we dont miss any oppurtunities to get a jump on any potential threats.
Elect: GH
392 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1825631&postcount=392)
Just curious. is it possible that a new thread could be opened where all the night summaries could be placed and where a current list of alive members could be?
403 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1825670&postcount=403)
Vote:Abstain
Ive been to out of the loop for this rounf to make a good vote. it might be changed if I get the time to read the last three pages.
408 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1825698&postcount=408)
Unvote:Abstain
Vote:Glenn
the combination of CA and CR's posts have done two fold for me
a.) save me the trouble of reading 3 pages of accusations
B.) convinced me of the true guilt of Glenn who i already had suspcions of
421 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1825731&postcount=421)
Ichanged my vote to vote for Glenn
814 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1827783&postcount=814)
i would also like to hear some reasoning Twilight
I say we lynch Drake and GH, in any order. Might be worthwhile doing GH first, as Drake is manifestly a Made while GH's behaviour patterns are more reminiscent of a Don (remember Prole's snootiness when I called her out for a suicide pact in Capo 1).
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 09:56
This is not spam.
Pannonian - seeing as he is exposed to death in any case, would it not hurt to show the recipient's name?
I also notice how, 'orders' does not start with a capitol letter, and the PM is only a piece.
Is there more, or was there simply the word, "Your", missed out?
CR, alot of people say my posts are slimy, I try and keep them as neat and graceful as possible.
I'll soon see wether you are my friend or my enemy.
This will tell me wether your suspicions are founded or forged.
Until then, I remain neutral to you.. And to everybody, truly, I have no open enemies yet as I have no great evidence anymore - hence my questioning, "Everybody", as some people put it.
Ichigo, I will be honest as possible.
There was a mistake made, we have not a third yet.
This mistake was not particularly damaging.
Without attacking CR again - I noted Tiberius' attitude towards me as uniform with Rythmic and CR.
They display a pattern of responses and attitudes to me.
I am glad I may at least have one of these confirmed.
--------------------------------------------------------
Good job, Pannonian.
I was strictly pursued by Tiberius, and he has shown a connection to CR, albeit very minor.
I will explain my theory of GH again, probably much to his annoyance.
He is acting in a very independent way in PMs, I instinctively felt he was a loner in this game.
Now, there was someone on my contacts list who came through with the affirmation of his investigation being, "Criminal".
I can't say anymore about this unless the man himself steps forward into the light.
I also have great reason to believe that there are two other special roles out there, two opposites, which begin as neutral partakers in the Township and Mafia.
One knows all the Pro-Townie special roles, another knows all the Mafia Dons and etc.
To me, GH fits the description and behaviour of this latter, being proven, "Criminal", by someone who must go unnamed for now, and having an attitude that pertains to this yet speculative role, where the player is a loner with alot of information and the power to help whoever he wishes.
CountArach
02-09-2008, 10:05
Pann - an interesting PM, we had best lynch him to make sure. We can also lynch GH with Drake (multiple lynchings rock... we just better not screw it up again).
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 10:06
That's all the stuff visible to me. In the PM quote, I typed the name "Tiberius of the Drake", while elsewhere I've bolded the votes as per the original post (you can check). Other than that, it's been copy and paste everywhere else.
I also have great reason to believe that there are two other special roles out there, two opposites, which begin as neutral partakers in the Township and Mafia.
One knows all the Pro-Townie special roles, another knows all the Mafia Dons and etc.
Wolf and Sheep? I doubt it, considering the trouble the role gave the game last time round.
Thanks Pann. It's possible that Drake and GH could be linked but it's extremely doubtful.
Glenn what mistake are you talking about? I don't see how there could have been a mistake.
CountArach
02-09-2008, 10:13
I also have great reason to believe that there are two other special roles out there, two opposites, which begin as neutral partakers in the Township and Mafia.
One knows all the Pro-Townie special roles, another knows all the Mafia Dons and etc.
How do you know this? Further, the second role would be much too powerful, because that player could rally ever single pro-town role together and use them as one force. That removes a huge level of doubt from the game, something that wouldn't be done.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 10:18
Allow me to correct that.
Some pro-townie roles.
CountArach
02-09-2008, 10:28
Now answer the first part of the question - how do you know that?
I'm not sure who he means with those roles. Care to give me an up date by pm Glenn?
I can explain the muistake though. He told me about the 3 special guys, when I replied he somehow got the impression I was the third. However it seems the third is inactive or something. So we'll have to wait till he's WOG'ed probably. I guess Seamus will then give a towny this role, considering the role's nature.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 10:52
Ha ha ha - without spamming.
In continuance with my previous honesty - if I said that I would be breaking the rules. Also, for the most part - it is as much hearsay as the General's affirmed Criminal status.
Which means most people aren't, but I am believing in it thus far.
The only other thing I can add is that I hope you realise I am attempting to aid this little discussion here, whilst we wait for the results of Night 2.
I don't want to betray the people who helped me, and so within the guidelines of their trust and what was written in red in my role PM - I am helping you as truthfully as possible - if you're innocent, it's up to you wether to regard anything I say.
***EDIT***
Here is what I mean.
Moros has stepped forward, to explain the mistake I mentioned.
I told in as much detail as I would without betraying his identity, because he has proved to be of innocence and I trust him.
Surely you can understand my respect of those who have helped me and helped the town - but nonetheless I myself have left nothing to secret of myself that is not rule-breaking.
pevergreen
02-09-2008, 12:41
The rules for dead players prevent me from revealing the information in a pm.
Glenn, post the pm with the word dictionary in it. You sent it to me.
what pm are we talking about pever?
Also shouldn't he better wait before sending anything to you untill you are cleared?
Hey,
btw, I'm not paying attention to any 'point system'. I just want the town to win. (so, all mafia to die)
If I'd been made mafia at the start of game, I would've wanted the opposite, mafia survive, all townies dead.
So, I'm simple. ~:)
So, at the start of day 4 you will all have your proof of my pro-townness.. so, perhaps it would be a nice idea to have all pro-town people send their role pm (without red), their business so far, etc to me? I could indeed be a town-contactperson, which would make it easy communication for town.. also, I could easily influence voting so that pro-town people wouln't be lynched. need to 100% understand the rules for dead people first though, just to be sure this all is allowed..
:book:
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 12:58
That would be a good pro-town play, if you're cleared by the end of N3. However, IMHO it would be unfair, taking much of the skullduggery out of the game. Dead players aren't supposed to control the game to this extent. If one is revealing one's role, one should either do so in public, in the thread, or do so privately to a player whose towniness one can't 100% be certain of.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 13:07
Send me this PM Pever, I have just cleaned my inbox of all except role-important things.
I honestly can't remember typing dictionary, but I believe you, send it to me.
I'm sorry otherwise, was it a multi-send?
What do you wish to prove?
Drisos, I am sorry, but I do not approve of giving the dead player such a radical position before your true reveal - especially considering we have both been coldly neutral until now.
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 13:10
Send me this PM Pever, I have just cleaned my inbox of all except role-important things.
I honestly can't remember typing dictionary, but I believe you, send it to me.
I'm sorry otherwise, was it a multi-send?
What do you wish to prove?
I advise pevergreen against sending any PMs until he's cleared the practice with Seamus.
The dead may post, but not vote/select nor carry out any night actions. Dead players may not reveal their roles publicly or privately until that role has been revealed as per section V and may not reveal their “familiy” or role particulars even after that time. Dead players may not quote from a PM unless that PM has been posted in the public thread by a living player. Dead players may not reveal, recount or allude to their previous night actions (or results thereof in the case of investigations) publicly or privately – even to confirm a previously made public or private reveal. Remember, even if dead you can still score well provided your “side” achieves victory. Your participation must be circumspect, but your continued participation IS encouraged.
I want to step forward to collect all the information about the mafia, all mafiosi can feel free to send me their role PMs, this will balance the game then. ~D
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 13:22
Exactly.
Pannonian, your post is all well and good and has probably just revealed a mafia member for all to see. My question to you however, is your proof. The pm you posted looks legitament to me, but could just as easily be made by you.
You said:
Drake's family can organise a revenge attack on the recipient of this PM if they like
I'm assuming this means that you arn't the original recipient. So may ask, who was the original recipient, did they pass this on to you to post on the forum? Why wouldn't they just post it themself? I can't really see a reason why they wouldn't... it seems a bit strange to me :inquisitive: .
If the person who actualy received it could come forward it might remove some of my suspicion. But it seems to me like you are essentialy "sacrificing" a townie who gave this to you in trust in order to reveal a mafia member. As you have already said, 1 for 1 is advantagous and revealing a mafia is worth it, but I want to hear from the person actualy being sacrificed.
At the moment I feel like your showing us one tiny peice of information where there should be more (ie. how did the situation get to the point of that message being sent, and how did it get to you). I'd like to know the full story.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 13:29
And, also, amongst the throng of targets proclaiming innocence and assistance, myself included - why has the Mafia targeted Beefy187?
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 13:35
Pannonian, your post is all well and good and has probably just revealed a mafia member for all to see. My question to you however, is your proof. The pm you posted looks legitament to me, but could just as easily be made by you.
You said:
I'm assuming this means that you arn't the original recipient. So may ask, who was the original recipient, did they pass this on to you to post on the forum? Why wouldn't they just post it themself? I can't really see a reason why they wouldn't... it seems a bit strange to me :inquisitive: .
If the person who actualy received it could come forward it might remove some of my suspicion. But it seems to me like you are essentialy "sacrificing" a townie who gave this to you in trust in order to reveal a mafia member. As you have already said, 1 for 1 is advantagous and revealing a mafia is worth it, but I want to hear from the person actualy being sacrificed.
At the moment I feel like your showing us one tiny peice of information where there should be more (ie. how did the situation get to the point of that message being sent, and how did it get to you). I'd like to know the full story.
The story's actually all out in public, if in bits and pieces. In case I die tonight, I'll say that woad&fangs received the PM, but if you want more details than that, you'll have to get them from him. I suppose this reveal means he is no more use as a contact with a mafia family, but that's small a loss, as he can still function as a run of the mill townie.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 13:39
It's a pity Woad&Fangs has little online time to spare.
I can't give any opinion on him, I haven't had enough contact.
However, I would like to know how the two of you are related, if possible, the length of time he has apparently infiltrated the Mafia, of which it is said Tiberius is part of, or head of - and if you have anymore condemning evidence.
If you have time, Pannonian, as I don't, I'm going to bed soon - would you do the same post comb as you did with Tiberius - this tends to show obvious mental patterns - perhaps it can help you prove your point with W&F.
Don't forget my question - why would they target Beefy?
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 13:48
I'll share the info when you share the info. I originally asked for a stay of execution for you so that you may have time to prove your innocence. You declined to do what I asked to test that, so I remain doubtful about your towniness. For now, Drake and GH are better lynch candidates than you, but if Drisos' detective claim proves to be false, and hence Sigurd is off the list, then you will be the next most suitable candidate for the rope, with your many doubtful claims making nonsense of your central claim.
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 13:50
I started on this post about twelve hours ago, so it'll probably seem fairly out of context:I just want to see you defend yourself in all honesty - it gives you a chance to slip up should you be a mafioso, which can provide sufficent evidence to later lynch you, or perhaps conclude your innocence.
So GH, why were you defending yourself so aggressively and in your mafia style before?
This defence, seen from this point (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1824430#post1824430) throughout D1/N1, was performed in a way as I have known you to in a guilty role in the past (Lycan (Serial Killer) in pevergreen's Fantasy Mafia). You roll your eyes and answer questions with other questions to try avoid providing what the original question asked of you.
I also want to know why others have previously claimed you to be a known mafioso?
All right, let's look at the individual posts:
Behavior that in the past indicated scumminess when the people doing so should have known better.
This is my response to Sasaki's query of what I consider scummy. I answered it. I don't see any problem with this.
Re: Andres.
Missed the post when you first did it (and second time too).
Anyway, it was indirect pressure. Sasaki's been dogging Glenn and those who gave (to him) questionable reasoning for electing me. By using some kind of mathematical or logical reasoning, I figured that if he was pressuring my alleged "goons" he'd think that I was in on something too.
Andres was asking me why I seemed to come out in a pre-emptive defense. That was my reply. The exact reasoning will come in a later post.
Hmm, let's see...
The fact that he (along with a few other people) was being called out specifically for their reasons for voting moi, perhaps?
And yeah, it was a pre-emptive defense. I didn't want to have to wake up with 50 "you said you like the choice of Kommodus, why did you not vote him then?" posts waiting for reply.
More of the same...
I figured it out! It's the transitive property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_property)! That's that little mathematic formula I've been using!
If A=B and B=C, A must equal C.
A: Glenn comes under fire for electing me.
B: I defend those who come under fire for electing me.
Therefore...
C: I defend Glenn.
It's not too hard to put 2 and 2 together, Sasaki.
Here's me explaining my reasoning. I added the wiki link to make sure everyone knew what I was talking about.
Since that was the last of that little exchange, I ask you: How the heck is that suspicious? I answered everything I was asked. I explained my reasoning for what I did, at first subtly and then directly. Excuse me for doing so aggressively. I guess I'd rather be more content to sit back and take the misdirected lynch.
I find it funny how, at the same time, I am accused of being too aggressive and too in-the-background.
As for this "criminal" result thing, I don't know what to say. I know what I did last night, which is sleep. I know what I'm doing tonight, which is sleeping. Unless somebody contacts me with interest in a protection group, I'm going to be sleeping tomorrow night too.
I'm going to Mock Trial now and I won't be back for several hours. Hopefully the lawyers cross-examining me won't be this bad.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 13:52
Then you shall remain stiff as a pole, Pannonian, but I remind you that I'm not the only one questioning you - you won't be able to hold your information at ransom simply because you think I am hiding something.
Also, seeing as their seems to be a lot riding on it, including my head - has anyone thought that Drisos may simply of been a very investigative player who found some sure facts through research and used the detective role to make everyone shut up and listen?
That's something to note before we swing the game on wether he is or isn't.
I do respect how GH is making the effort to reply to all questions answered and is leaving nothing untouched or ignored.
But to show my neutrality remains, I ask this;
Why would you sleep three nights in a row when so many absolutely ballowaffling things are occurring here?
Are you saying that you have no allegiance or ambition to help or attack anyone, that you may or may not have special abilities that you don't bother to use anyway?
You must be doing something. Nobody would sleep three nights in a game like this.
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 13:59
I do respect how GH is making the effort to reply to all questions answered and is leaving nothing untouched or ignored.
But to show my neutrality remains, I ask this;
Why would you sleep three nights in a row when so many absolutely ballowaffling things are occurring here?
Are you saying that you have no allegiance or ambition to help or attack anyone, that you may or may not have special abilities that you don't bother to use anyway?
You must be doing something. Nobody would sleep three nights in a game like this.
I want to play this game in an unbiased manner, which means voting people based solely off content in the thread. Too much behind-the-scenes material and I go crazy.
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 14:00
Then you shall remain stiff as a pole, Pannonian, but I remind you that I'm not the only one questioning you - you won't be able to hold your information at ransom simply because you think I am hiding something.
Also, seeing as their seems to be a lot riding on it, including my head - has anyone thought that Drisos may simply of been a very investigative player who found some sure facts through research and used the detective role to make everyone shut up and listen?
That's something to note before we swing the game on wether he is or isn't.
It does mean that the facts he's made up will be less believable, as are the conclusions to be drawn from them. If he did indeed do a fake reveal, then he deserved to die for that alone, under the lynch all liars idea. Something that is becoming increasingly tempting to apply to you, with each outlandish claim you make.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 14:04
Then I'll make no more, for the sake of your lavish temptation.
Now that W&f has been revealed I await his response before making a direct judgment. I'd also like to hear what Drake has to say on the matter.
Pannonian you still havn't told us:
1. How you got the pm
2. Why w&f didn't post it himself
Seems like your dodging the question.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 14:28
And no one is suspicious of the fact that Beefy187 - of all people, was the target! Why?!
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 14:29
Now that W&f has been revealed I await his response before making a direct judgment. I'd also like to hear what Drake has to say on the matter.
Pannonian you still havn't told us:
1. How you got the pm
2. Why w&f didn't post it himself
Seems like your dodging the question.
1. How did I get the PM? W&F forwarded it to me.
2. Why didn't W&F post it himself? Probably because he hasn't been on since. Ichigo asked for some ideas, so I posted the PM in case of W&F or I or both dying tonight. It's generally good practice, if there is dirt on confirmed mafia, to publicise it before you die, for you might not be able to do so after you die.
Are there any more question you'd like me to dodge?
And no one is suspicious of the fact that Beefy187 - of all people, was the target! Why?!
The minds of other people are dark and mysterious. How the heck is one supposed to know why they picked such and such target?
I've not received any reply to my PM, so I'll ask in the thread instead. Are you willing to explain what you've been doing those past couple of nights? And are you willing to lock yourself into town activity tonight, activity which generates tangible proof of towniness? Or are you still going to BS us with your stories and cries of "Trust me, I can't say anything more!"? Reply by PM if you want to keep the answer private.
scottishranger
02-09-2008, 14:34
And no one is suspicious of the fact that Beefy187 - of all people, was the target! Why?!
I am getting the same feeling. Why does the mafia want Beefy dead so much? The first night I might just think that it was a random act, but two nights in a row? They must know something we don't.
PershsNhpios
02-09-2008, 14:42
I am content with Pannonian's replies.
No, I don't care for the privacy of your question.
The subject of my actions on Night 1 are a widely stated fact that led to the suspicion of Stranger, Louis and Sigurd.
I was protecting Sigurd under threat of death and bandwagoning. Ha!
Tonight I am investigating.
And, unless something very drastic occurs, which from what I've seen is rather possible, unless, I will be continuing to investigate.
These results I will not keep private provided the public is willing to listen.
I don't think it is a good strategy for me or my confidents, or ANY innocent to kill.
Our violence is in the lynch, your vigilante busts are only going to confuse the detectives, and that means my own investigations also.
Please, behave at night, stay with protections and investigations.
*************
So Beefy may be important.
What's saddening is how he noted he may be absent for the rest of the game.
*************
This is a public services announcement.
Glenn is going to bed, he is tired and has very sore eyes from tidying up all the loose ends and questions.
He requests that you all keep the noise down, and try not to kill, attack, accuse and twist things too much here until he returns, lest he be faced with the dramatic episode of earlier.
Not that he didn't appreciate that.
May all the innocents live tonight.
[...]
So, at the start of day 4 you will all have your proof of my pro-townness.. so, perhaps it would be a nice idea to have all pro-town people send their role pm (without red), their business so far, etc to me? I could indeed be a town-contactperson, which would make it easy communication for town.. also, I could easily influence voting so that pro-town people wouln't be lynched. need to 100% understand the rules for dead people first though, just to be sure this all is allowed..
I can't see that you have cleared my name yet... I would like to know why?
You stated that you knew I was a Don as Andres more than once questioned this. I can't see that this has been answered. You claim to be a detective, yet detectives will get an innocent read on a Don pr. Seamus' role descriptions the same results as doctors, Surgeons, Detectives, FBI agents and townies would.
In my opinion, the most suspicious people are Sigurd and Stranger.
I can't see why Drisos would do a fake reveal, especially after he died, unless he was hoping for a quick lynch (i.e. before his role was determined). Stranger is suspicious for his usual shenanigans, but it could just be normal behavior.
GH.. will you care to explain your logic here? As I mentioned, Drisos claims I am a Don, but Dons will be innocent in a detective investigation. How can a detective’s investigation on a Don be conclusive?
Or the moonlight.. on Hononluuuulu Bay..
This is atleast the third time I see this sentence. Another code?
The only other thing I can add is that I hope you realise I am attempting to aid this little discussion here, whilst we wait for the results of Night 2.
I don't want to betray the people who helped me, and so within the guidelines of their trust and what was written in red in my role PM - I am helping you as truthfully as possible - if you're innocent, it's up to you wether to regard anything I say.
I don’t know if this contact could be trusted Glenn. I too have worked with people doing investigations. They claim they got a guilty read on GH. Do you realise the important difference?
One result comes from a Made and the other from a Detective. Since Mades don’t get guilty reads but detectives do, then your informant must be a Made. I will of course have to confirm this with my informant, but it was said guilty.
This means that both investigations yielded a read on either a Made or a Luca who was out and about last night.
Kagemusha
02-09-2008, 16:06
I would really like to hear what Tiberius of the Drake has to say on his behalf. It seems that we have atleast one sure lynch already for the day, unless ofcourse Pannonian would be lying, but i cant see why he would take a such risk to get rid off Tiberius.
Do we have any intention of following up on Glenn? The general consensus was that he should be spared specifically because an investigation could determine whether he was mafia or not. Glenn has not been 'cleared' by anything, yet everyone has been focusing their discussions on other people. I do not like the idea of simply forgetting about a person who has a 50% probability of being a Don. Can someone confirm that Glenn will be investigated tonight and that the results will be publicly shown tomorrow? If he is mafia, he should be the top priority lynch.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-09-2008, 16:41
Night Phase is concluded. Results summarized and posted as soon as I can.
R/L sales meetin ran late and I went straight to bed. Apologies. (yes, successful, 2 LTC apps).
Caius, CR, Shin are not posting enough. 1 or 2 posts each. Normally they have mid range
Err...I'm in holidays! I need to read 6 pages of 80 posts yet!
Seamus Fermanagh
02-09-2008, 17:50
SOrry, wife & kids need attention for a few hours before wife leaves on business trip tomorrow.
Will finish summary and post later tonight
Day phase will begin at that time.
Thanks for your patience.
Kommodus
02-09-2008, 18:11
Well, well, well the sleeping giant awakes. What about GH? Sasaki? There's nothing more you'd like to add?
Why?
Other people are spending their time analyzing the heck out of GH and Sasaki. That's not my gig; I'd rather spend my time looking places others haven't looked.
I do think GH is probably guilty. His behavior brings to mind a vague recollection of another game in which he "pretended" to be upset and offended by all the accusations flying his way (I think it was GF II).
Sasaki is probably innocent.
Can you give me anything that will put faith in you?
No.
A question to Kommodus; why does he fit the mafia profile? How?
I'm not going to say, except to repeat what I've said in a couple of recent games. Holmes had been losing its edge and was looking particularly worse for wear after Mafia VII. So I upgraded it, adding a new metric besides the ones you're all familiar with. It's proven helpful in some recent games; still not foolproof, but quite good. That's all the information you'll get.
Anyway, it looks like we can be confident of Tiberius's guilt. But Hannibalbarc is guilty and should be lynched as well. :bow:
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 18:35
I... just... like... 3... dots... I... do... it... everywhere... its... my... trademark...
For those wondering about drisos reveal about me... he later said he believed my innocence...
oh... stop whining about my dots...
how long till deadline? nevermind... saw it already
Hannibalbarc
02-09-2008, 19:01
I'm not going to say, except to repeat what I've said in a couple of recent games. Holmes had been losing its edge and was looking particularly worse for wear after Mafia VII. So I upgraded it, adding a new metric besides the ones you're all familiar with. It's proven helpful in some recent games; still not foolproof, but quite good. That's all the information you'll get.
What exactly are you taking about?
Anyway, it looks like we can be confident of Tiberius's guilt. But Hannibalbarc is guilty and should be lynched as well. :bow:
Well so far you haven't given proof to back that up, are you just randomly targeting people?
Vote Hannibalbarc (unless I'm dead :embarassed:)
Never seen Holmes wrong yet...
Edit: Oh right, thought day phase started (misread Seamus' post)
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 19:44
1. it isnt dayphase yet...
2. kommo just said holmes isnt foolproof...
3. i want to know what holmes says about me...
Myrddraal
02-09-2008, 19:59
Firstly I agree with those who've said that Glenn is by no means cleared. Though the code word crown did appear a couple of times early on, the other two didn't appear till he was accused. I believe Glenn has been cleared temporarily on the basis that a detective will be investigating.
Now the trouble is, how is that detective going to get the word out about their results, and how do we trust those results if they come second hand (through another player).
I suggest that should any detectives find a guilty result on Glenn, they should speak up personally. The town can always form protection groups for that person. I'd also suggest that if he is investigated and gets an innocent verdict, that the detectives should just shut up about it.
If we hear nothing after another night, then it should be safe to assume that Glenn is innocent.
This idea isn't foolproof of course, any mafioso can stand up and claim to be a detective with a guilty result on Glenn, but they'd have to put themselves in the spotlight, and there are plenty of genuine detectives out there to check anyone who steps forward.
My 2p on that subject.
As for Hannibalbarc, we must also remember that Holmes comes with a twist, it can be manipulated by Kommodus if he is mafia. However, that shouldn't stop us lynching Hannibalbarc (If Kommodus is mafia, it's in both his interests and the town's interest to lynch his competitors).
So my opinion is, we should lynch Hannibalbarc, just in case, but bear in mind that it might a mafioso mind, and not Holmes that has pointed him out.
EDIT: Correcting grammar/spelling
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 20:11
Firstly I agree with those who've said that Glenn is by no means cleared. Though the code word crown did appear a couple of times early on, the other two didn't appear till he was accused. I believe Glenn has been cleared temporarily on the basis that a detective will be investigating.
Now the trouble is, how is that detective going to get the word out about their results, and how do we trust those results if they come second hand (through another player).
I suggest that should any detectives find a guilty result on Glenn, they should speak up personally. The town can always form protection groups for that person. I'd also suggest that if he is investigated and gets an innocent verdict, that the detectives should just shut up about it.
If we hear nothing after another night, then it should be safe to assume that Glenn is innocent.
This idea isn't foolproof of course, any mafioso can stand up and claim to be a detective with a guilty result on Glenn, but they'd have to put themselves in the spotlight, and there are plenty of genuine detectives out there to check anyone who steps forward.
My 2p on that subject.
One possible dodge that comes to mind is a wise guy sacrificing himself for a family. Being a wise guy and not a fully fledged gangster, they are slightly more expendable and less traceable. They stand up, say that Glenn is criminal and get him lynched, then get lynched themselves when the autopsy comes through. This tactic may also work in a tighter situation when there is less leeway for the town or other families in the endgame.
So I'd like to ask Seamus, are wise guys town or mafia aligned if they've done something for a family, but have not been fully accepted as Mades? Would it be in the interest of a wise guy to do the above?
Other people are spending their time analyzing the heck out of GH and Sasaki. That's not my gig; I'd rather spend my time looking places others haven't looked.
I can't really read a person who refuses to post, so I'm forced to question the ones that are active and the ones I feel aren't active enough. But then there's so many people it's hard to question them all.
Lt. Pinard
02-09-2008, 21:03
YES I finally caught up. God dont you people have anything better to do on a Friday night and Saturday morning?
I think that Myrddraal's plan for glenn is the best we can do for him. And it something we should try to follow.
Also I think people under FoS should be tied into protection groups and then we can go from there before lynching ppl.
For example people like stranger and GH who seem to be accused cause of their posting and no solid evidence
I suggest that should any detectives find a guilty result on Glenn, they should speak up personally. The town can always form protection groups for that person. I'd also suggest that if he is investigated and gets an innocent verdict, that the detectives should just shut up about it.
If we hear nothing after another night, then it should be safe to assume that Glenn is innocent.
I would like to hear an innocent verdict as well. If we hear nothing, how are we to know that anyone investigated him at all? Given that we're talking about a potential Don here, I think we need to be really, really sure. I don't think anyone has any reason to trust me, but I also don't think anyone has any reason to be suspicious of me so far. So, I'll volunteer to act as a filter for any detective results. I will post, verbatim and without comment, any investigation PMs I receive, with the name of the sender removed.
Crazed Rabbit
02-09-2008, 21:39
I suggest that should any detectives find a guilty result on Glenn, they should speak up personally. The town can always form protection groups for that person. I'd also suggest that if he is investigated and gets an innocent verdict, that the detectives should just shut up about it.
GAH! Last game, Dons came up as innocent. That means Glenn would show up as innocent.
I believe it would be incredibly foolish to leave Glenn off the hook.
He was protected night one. The odds are better that he was a don getting protected by a luca than a doctor choosing to protect him.
He was suspicious before that.
He makes up a simply outlandish claim full of holes a mile wide. Even then, the third member of their 'group' hasn't been found, suggesting idiocy or non-existence.
He accuses everyone against him of being in league with the mafia.
We were trying to get him lynched last round but he narrowly escaped.
Last Capo Proletariat got attacked night one and saved by her luca, but was able to escape the noose to become the most powerful don. Let's not let that happen again.
Current suspected mafia:
Glenn & Jimbob
Tiberius and perhaps GH
The Stranger, maybe Sigurd
As to why a mafia family wants beefy dead - he somehow escaped four men with guns by himself and pure chance, which suggests a definite role for him.
CR
ajaxfetish
02-09-2008, 22:17
GAH! Last game, Dons came up as innocent. That means Glenn would show up as innocent.
I believe it would be incredibly foolish to leave Glenn off the hook.
He was protected night one. The odds are better that he was a don getting protected by a luca than a doctor choosing to protect him.
I think the plan was to investigate both him and jimbob. Assuming he's a don and jimbob is a member of his family, jimbob at least should show up as criminal.
And I must have missed the part where the mafia are out to get Beefy187. Wasn't it pevergreen's vigilante squad that targeted him? Where did the mafia definitely get involved? It is interesting how he managed to escape seemingly by sheer luck however.
Ajax
CR is right, an innocent on Glenn won't help us any further. I thought we agreed on investigating Glenn and his savior, Jimbob? If one of them is guilty, then we should lynch them both.
About Drisos, here's a part of the pm conversation I had with TS, yesterday in the afternoon:
oprechte reveal... hij vertrouwd me 100% en moros ook... jij binnenkort ook wel denk ik... maar voorlopg doen we t zo...
drisos is zover oprecht dat hij detective is... dat over sigurd is bluf.
Wat is dat nu? Waarom gaat hij effe een willekeurige speler uitpikken en beschuldigen van Don te zijn?
Waar is dat nu goed voor?
A.
hij zei op msn... als ik neer ga neem ik gwn iemand mee... voor de grap... drm noemde hij mij er ook bij... hij had enkel suspicions...
[***information about our protection group***]
The Stranger: "His reveal is sincere... He trusts me and Moros 100 %. He'll trust you as well later on, I think. But for now, we'll do it like this...
Drisos is sincere about being a detective... He's bluffing about Sigurd.
Andres: "What's that? Why does he pick a random player and accuses him of being a Don? What's it good for?
The Stranger: "He told me on msn... if I go down, I just take somebody with me... for fun. That's why he also called me... He only had some suspicions.
I can't see that you have cleared my name yet... I would like to know why?
hmmm... just a guess.. I still think you're guilty? is that so hard to believe?
You stated that you knew I was a Don as Andres more than once questioned this.
I think I made it clear before though - I don't trust andres. ~:) and above all, I don't want to explain everything. scummy? like I care.. Seamus will give my role soon anyway.. it's just lazyness.
I can't see that this has been answered. You claim to be a detective, yet detectives will get an innocent read on a Don pr. Seamus' role descriptions the same results as doctors, Surgeons, Detectives, FBI agents and townies would.
I couldn't have investigated anyone, anyway.. I was killed right away, remember? so I have a different reason for my suspicion.
btw- of course, if people think it would be unfair to be townie contactperson after my death.. ok, I'll just leave this game behind. It's town's call. I personally think you should do anything allowed within the rules. that's what rules are for, eh? if you shouldn't go that far, why do the rules allow it..
well, anyway.. I'll stop by and see what you decided, later..
Myrddraal
02-09-2008, 22:36
ajax fetish and Andres are right. They (Glenn and Jimbom) can't both show up innocent if one is Don and one a Luca.
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 22:41
ajax fetish and Andres are right. They (Glenn and Jimbom) can't both show up innocent if one is Don and one a Luca.
Give me some credit at least for coming up with that argument. The problem is that no detectives have showed up with results, and if they did, we don't know if they're genuine (hence my query about wise guys doing the dirty work for adopted families). We'll have to think up something else to check their credentials with, but in the meantime, we can lynch Tiberius.
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2008, 22:50
I do think GH is probably guilty. His behavior brings to mind a vague recollection of another game in which he "pretended" to be upset and offended by all the accusations flying his way (I think it was GF II).
I'm not upset at all the various accusations flying around at me, I'm upset that they still come up after I answered them to satisfaction.
@Sigurd: I wasn't thinking. You are no longer suspicious in my book, not like that matters.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2008, 22:55
Are you a townie GH?
Give me some credit at least for coming up with that argument. The problem is that no detectives have showed up with results, and if they did, we don't know if they're genuine (hence my query about wise guys doing the dirty work for adopted families). We'll have to think up something else to check their credentials with, but in the meantime, we can lynch Tiberius.
I think we can be pretty sure they are genuine. For a mafia family to risk one of it's members on such a scheme, they would have to be betting that no other detective had investigated JimBob (by the way it's pointless to investigate Glenn).
Pannonian
02-09-2008, 23:00
I think we can be pretty sure they are genuine. For a mafia family to risk one of it's members on such a scheme, they would have to be betting that no other detective had investigated JimBob (by the way it's pointless to investigate Glenn).
But what about the wheeze I suggested? Get a wise guy affiliated to the family to lie on their behalf, and that way no full members of the family are risked. The question is whether or not such wise guys get a credit in the family's win if they die before being promoted.
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 23:05
why is it pointless to investigate glenn?
CountArach
02-09-2008, 23:12
why is it pointless to investigate glenn?
Don's show up as innocent. That is why both Glenn and JimBob need to be investigated to get any real results.
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 23:14
yeah... but that is what is happening isnt it.. its not useless to investigate glenn... just useless to investigate alone him.
CountArach
02-09-2008, 23:21
yeah... but that is what is happening isnt it.. its not useless to investigate glenn... just useless to investigate alone him.
Well I don't know what the Detectives are doing, but I hope that at least 1 of them is going for Glenn and at least 1 other is going for JimBob. Better yet I hope that an FBI detective is going for both at once.
If a families Don is about to be lynched I'd expect that someone from the family would try to save them.
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 23:28
Well I don't know what the Detectives are doing, but I hope that at least 1 of them is going for Glenn and at least 1 other is going for JimBob. Better yet I hope that an FBI detective is going for both at once.
i hope so too...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2008, 23:39
But what about the wheeze I suggested? Get a wise guy affiliated to the family to lie on their behalf, and that way no full members of the family are risked. The question is whether or not such wise guys get a credit in the family's win if they die before being promoted.
Wise guys are as valuable to a family as a full member. Or close enough anyway. They allow extra kills and become made's pretty quickly.
Tratorix
02-09-2008, 23:52
So, I'll volunteer to act as a filter for any detective results. I will post, verbatim and without comment, any investigation PMs I receive, with the name of the sender removed.
Not to burst your bubble here Tincow, but I believe that's illegal. Detectives and other roles usually have to reveal publically and what you are suggesting would count as them revealing to you through pm.
Myrddraal
02-09-2008, 23:54
@TinCow, the reason it can't work if you volunteer to take results from detectives is that there's no accountability for those detectives. Any Tom Dick or Vincentino can claim to be a detective to you, and there's no way for you to check. Also, if you are mafia you can hit them all without the town knowing who to protect.
If we ask the detective to reveal publicly (in exchange for protection) then they must put themselves in the spotlight, and make themselves open for investigation themselves. No sensible mafia family would place even a wise guy in that position, since they're almost certainly sacrificing him/her.
If we also say that given innocent results, they just say nothing, we have a chance of them 'transmitting' their results to us without revealing. I think we can be almost certain that the detectives are checking out Glenn and Jimbob.
At the same time, lets not forget our other suspects. Tiberius in particular. If we don't get any investigation results this turn, I'm voting for him.
@Glenn, you say you are 'investigating' tonight. I think you should forsake your investigations till we are sure of your innocence, and tie yourself down with pro-town activity. Till we can trust you, I'd rather know you were doing nothing than wonder if you're targeting townies.
@Pann, sorry if I missed credit. I was just noticing the most recent posts :smile:
The Stranger
02-09-2008, 23:58
Not to burst your bubble here Tincow, but I believe that's illegal. Detectives and other roles usually have to reveal publically and what you are suggesting would count as them revealing to you through pm.
no they dont... not in this game
I'm quite baffled to see that after being away for almost a day, I didn't have to catch up quite as much as I tought. I didn't even had to read a single pm.
Personally I have to do some rereading about GH, my memory isn't fully working because of lack of sleep and alcohol. (Well I just had my first week of vacation since September, so cut me some slack). No worries though I have always been sober when playing. Thank God!
It's however a case I want to dig into. I have contacts saying a detective investigated him, and he came out as criminal. (This however doesn't mean he therefore is mafia side). Also it seems a lot of persons have been suspecting him from the start.Though I still have some mixed feelings. I hope however that the conclusion of this night will give some insight.
Personally Sasaki gives me a bad feeling in the stomach. Is it just because of what happened last time? Perhaps, I just can't ever thrust him again. Poor me. However sasaki has been inverstigated this night by someone I utterly thrust. As if I were a fool. However the result will probably not been seen as a definite proof in this thread. But I know that the result will influence whether I'll try to make a case or not. Hopefully I'm wrong. A case against a player as Sasaki, is a task not fit for mere mortals, I'm afraid.
Dear me, it does sound as if I have read a bit to many posts made by one of our slightly more eloquent players. ~;)
Another striking thing however is that Pannonian is not wanting Glenn and JimBob to be investigated. Yes some Wiseguy could claim this however if another detective does it he can stand up too. Why would a wiseguy want to do this? I don't think he can gain much points if any with this. Nor does the Wiseguy itself as the point system is secret till after the game. What wiseguy would take this chance? There are other families and they could start up one too, also I think a mafia family won't want to miss a possible recuit that can become a made. They need the few numbers they have to ensure their victory.
Is it perhaps you fear that if Glenn or JimBob or freind investigates you, which would either way happen quite fast, the investigation might be believed? Are you scared you will lose a dear secret? Or is this just a legimate concern?
I know I'm finger pointing a lot, but I just have to ask why a possible good tactic should not be used. Someone needed to ask this question. I however wouldn't vote to lynch you or something at all. However soon, when I recieve a forwarded pm callen N 2 results (or perhaps a slightly higher number) , I might. Also Detectives know that this is the title given to investigation results pms. (I assume Seamus pm titles are the same to all) So this a proof that I in fact do have contact with a detetcive that is to be thrusted. Or at least I hope other detectives did have pm's with the same title. lol. Or I'm screwed.
Anyway I want some awser Pannonian, just to check.
GH, Sasaki you could expect a few questions too. Or a pm conversation if that fits you better.
EDIT: due to the lenght of this post I notice quite a few new posts have been made while I was typing. Hopefully not to much of this post now is outdated or in vain. However no post here should ever be in vain.
Tratorix
02-10-2008, 00:06
I think we can be almost certain that the detectives are checking out Glenn and Jimbob.
Why would a detective be investigating Glenn? He's either a pro-town role or a Don, so either way he shows up innocent.
Also, i'm curious as to how Kommodus found Hannibilbarc guilty using Holmes. Doesn't Holmes work by comparing players to their posting styles in previous games? I don't belive i've ever seen Hannibalbarc in a game here before.
Myrddraal
02-10-2008, 00:08
Why would a detective be investigating Glenn? He's either a pro-town role or a Don, so either way he shows up innocent.
Good point.
Also, i'm curious as to how Kommodus found Hannibilbarc guilty using Holmes. Doesn't Holmes work by comparing players to their posting styles in previous games? I don't belive i've ever seen Hannibalbarc in a game here before.
Well Kommo said his behavior mimics a previous mafioso. Though I haven't noticed many posts by Hannibal so it's hard to believe Kommo has had some sort of result on him this early.
how's that true? I find that a bold statement to make by someone who doesn't thrust Glenn and has had few contact with him. He can't be a luca or made or perhaps some other mafia role, you say. Why?
Edit: indeed. Kommo has the respect and belief of many. He can use it and abuse it easily. However never may we ignore possible true holmes results.
Who are you talking about? Kinda hard to tell.
Tratorix
02-10-2008, 00:15
how's that true? I find that a bold statement to make by someone who doesn't thrust Glenn and has had few contact with him. He can't be a luca or made or perhaps some other mafia role, you say. Why?
The current theory we are going under is that he was a Don protected by his Luca. If he is a made or Luca, I don't see Jimbob sticking up for him like he is.
Hmmm. Wel knowing he's innocent I know that's not the case. However it does makes sense, this theory. However a kind of doctor/surgeon could possibly have done it. Or he might have something special at section 2. of a role pm. Everybody seems to have some kind of ability.
(I know this is red part for everyones role pm seamus, but I don't think I'm breaking any rules, as most should have figured this out already.)
Edit: changed yet into already. My sentence wouldn't have made ot much sense otherwise would it?
Pannonian
02-10-2008, 00:31
Another striking thing however is that Pannonian is not wanting Glenn and JimBob to be investigated. Yes some Wiseguy could claim this however if another detective does it he can stand up too. Why would a wiseguy want to do this? I don't think he can gain much points if any with this. Nor does the Wiseguy itself as the point system is secret till after the game. What wiseguy would take this chance? There are other families and they could start up one too, also I think a mafia family won't want to miss a possible recuit that can become a made. They need the few numbers they have to ensure their victory.
Is it perhaps you fear that if Glenn or JimBob or freind investigates you, which would either way happen quite fast, the investigation might be believed? Are you scared you will lose a dear secret? Or is this just a legimate concern?
I know I'm finger pointing a lot, but I just have to ask why a possible good tactic should not be used. Someone needed to ask this question. I however wouldn't vote to lynch you or something at all. However soon, when I recieve a forwarded pm callen N 2 results (or perhaps a slightly higher number) , I might. Also Detectives know that this is the title given to investigation results pms. (I assume Seamus pm titles are the same to all) So this a proof that I in fact do have contact with a detetcive that is to be thrusted. Or at least I hope other detectives did have pm's with the same title. lol. Or I'm screwed.
Anyway I want some awser Pannonian, just to check.
The false reveal thing was just something that occurred to me during the night, after I'd already made the case for detectives to investigate the pair of them. The fact that I know of no detectives that have gone ahead and investigated them also pointed me in the direction of wanting another way of checking their credentials. As I explained it, if we have a trustworthy detective who can investigate Glenn and jimbob, we have a foolproof way of checking if they're a Don/Made combo. However, I know of no detective so far, and I'm not entirely sure if a reveal comes that it will be trustworthy either.
If your networking has put you in touch with bona fide detectives, feel free to carry out the original plan. It's only because I'm not sure we have the tools for it that I'm looking for another plan, not quite as good, but workable given what we have.
I can live with that explaination. ~:)
@TinCow, the reason it can't work if you volunteer to take results from detectives is that there's no accountability for those detectives. Any Tom Dick or Vincentino can claim to be a detective to you, and there's no way for you to check. Also, if you are mafia you can hit them all without the town knowing who to protect.
If we ask the detective to reveal publicly (in exchange for protection) then they must put themselves in the spotlight, and make themselves open for investigation themselves. No sensible mafia family would place even a wise guy in that position, since they're almost certainly sacrificing him/her.
That's a good point, I never thought of it like that. I humbly withdraw my offer then.
However, I still think there really is no good reason not to investigate Glenn. He was about to be lynched my a massive margin of votes and we can't even spare one detective to check him out? Surely there is enough of a chance that he's a Made, Wiseguy, Serial Killer, or some other middle-ground role to justify this double-check.
Can someone explain what holmes is? I've never heard the term (outside of the fact holmes is a detective...) before. :stars:
CountArach
02-10-2008, 01:37
A program that Kommodus made that analyses people's posting habits and compares them to previous games. If they are notably different to their averages, chances are they have a role. There are lots of things that go into it, however.
woad&fangs
02-10-2008, 02:25
I'm going to stay up for an hour or two to see if Seamus posts the N2 results and then I'm logging off. I won't be available tomorrow and I'll only be online Monday for long enough to send in my night orders.
I'd really like it if someone could organise protection for me and Pannonian on night 3. I'm a wiseguy so it would be nice to live long enough to be promoted to doctor so I can get points off of a town victory. I think that we should try for a triple lynch. Glenn apparently refused to go along with Pannonian's investigation suggestion so I think it is safe to say that he's a Don and not some Protown role. Lynching Jimbob and Glenn would effectively cripple an entire family unless they got really lucky with wiseguy recruitment. If they really do have some wacky protown role then why hasn't the third guy shown up to confirm the story? Either they are scum or the third guy is going to get WoG'd soon so all we're losing is a couple of detectives that no one will believe anyways.
TevashSzat
02-10-2008, 02:40
Bah, so no news of what happened during the night still yet...
PershsNhpios
02-10-2008, 03:32
Oh, I do enjoy how Woad&Fangs has assumed, seeing as I was working my horses all day, that I have refused then to agree to an investigation.
I have supported an investigation sinch Sasaki first said, "Lynch him"!
I'm not the one stopping you all, nor is Jimbob, in fact I think we'd both like it to occur.
Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated - just a warning - we will not appear criminal, and certainly not guilty as here is our history of night actions;
Glenn N1 - protecting Sigurd Fafnesbane with TruePratorian, Dutch_Guy.
JimBob N1 - Sleeping, (Inactive)
Glenn N2 - Investigating
JimBob N2 - Investigating
I will give the names of the investigated when we have the results and when Jimbob agrees to this.
Oh- another note for you W&F - we don't need a third to investigate.
It's not that hard to follow the clues, son.
I still fear very much that Holmes, though useful before, could be very easily used as a reason for innocence that shouldn't exist.
Still also however, there is no evidence of Kommodus' guilt, and I reap more suspicion than he - I simply wish I had more reason to trust him.
What is going on Seamus? Just how much have you got to write?
woad&fangs
02-10-2008, 03:37
I thought that Pannonian said you didn't agree to the investigation. Sorry if I was wrong.
Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated - just a warning - we will not appear criminal, and certainly not guilty as here is our history of night actions;
If you both appear as unclear, that would, I believe, be the best possible outcome. Even if you both showed up innocent, it's still possible that one of you is a Don and is duping the other. Unclear ensures that you are, at worst, a wiseguy, which is not a role that we should be concerned with at this point in time, IMO.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2008, 04:01
Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated
I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default. Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.
Kommodus
02-10-2008, 04:06
What exactly are you taking about?
Wouldn't you like to know, mafioso? :stare:
Well so far you haven't given proof to back that up, are you just randomly targeting people?
It's hardly random. I'm targeting you because you are a mafioso. A guilty, guilty, mafioso. :evil:
Also, i'm curious as to how Kommodus found Hannibilbarc guilty using Holmes. Doesn't Holmes work by comparing players to their posting styles in previous games? I don't belive i've ever seen Hannibalbarc in a game here before.
That was the old way of doing things; the method that was becoming increasingly problematic to apply. "Out with the old, in with the new!" Now it doesn't matter as much whether or not they've played before. :beam:
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 04:08
Glenn N1 - protecting Sigurd Fafnesbane with TruePratorian, Dutch_Guy.
I never protected Sigurd...we protected Loius...
And I agree with Sasaki. I have said it before, and will say it again, if there truly is three of them...does it matter if one of them is lynched? Then when the autopsy comes back we can truly see what they were, and can base the facts upon that.
PershsNhpios
02-10-2008, 04:12
I can't see any reason either, but I don't make the rules here.
Speaking of rules, you may of made a valid point about how specific I was, I'll have to contact Seamus and see how loud-mouthed I can be here.
I say your strategy of lynching just one of us, just in case, is rather dull.
You would still be killing one of us, and you would still be killing a pro-townie.
If you are sure of our guilt, kill us both, else - let us operate as we must.
I'm not a detective, I'm a detective with a sword.
I doubt I will be using that sword, or else I will appear, "Guilty".
Why is it so quiet?
I imagine everyone is waiting to see who is still alive.
****************
EDIT
I am sorry if I said Sigurd instead of Louis - I don't think it matters, you know I was protecting somebody - Louis then - and so does Dutch_Guy.
I thought we had made it clear as possible that we need all three of our group - or else we do not function half as well.
If there be only one of us left, we may as well be townies.
But you are very right, Praetorian, lets just kill whoever we might suspect, and then wait three days to see if we were right or not.
I'm sure the Mafia will wait for us, they are a courteous people.
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 04:15
Aren't mades "detectives" in their own sense? :inquisitive:
Can't mades kill? :inquisitive:
And im not saying "kill the pro-twonies!", no. I'm saying "hell, if its so much of a hassle to figure out if we trust them or not, lets just get it over with."
PershsNhpios
02-10-2008, 04:17
Well, that is a very lazy, and hardly forensic attitude.
Why should anyone listen to the arguments of someone who justs wants to get it over and done with?
Everybody else is taking their time to study the evidence.
Are townies capable of investigating?
Can't they kill?
This is Capo, not regular Mafia.
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Oh, by the way you made a mistake in your title, "Romanum", is not written in the genitive form - fix it! Silly man!
Scratch that! I made a mistake! But peace needs to be altered instead. We're both silly men!
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 04:22
Well, that is a very lazy, and hardly forensic attitude.
Why should anyone listen to the arguments of someone who justs wants to get it over and done with?
Everybody else is taking their time to study the evidence.
Are townies capable of investigating?
Can't they kill?
This is Capo, not regular Mafia.
The only reason I said "get it over with" is because most of us are tired of people like you ranting...we would much rather see you out of the way, that way we can see if you were truly lying or not with a simple autopsy. I may not have voted for you the first day...but half of me just wants to lynch you because you won't shut up.
And read my posts, i have been studying, or are you to busy talking you dont have time to listen??
PershsNhpios
02-10-2008, 04:28
Oh, yeah I see, right - I won't shut up.
I don't really have a right to answer every post that tries to condemn me I suppose, considering 4 in 5 do so.
Maybe I'll just keep answering you, as it is polite to do, to see how fiery a little goat you are.
Really, don't play this game if you don't expect long conversations that require dedicating a large quantity of thought and patience.
Until you make a valid argument, I hereby don't give a ponytail what you say.
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 04:38
Glenn, you honestly don't get it. I play this game, and continue to play this game, based on the fact of long conversations and investigations. That is the point of Mafia. I hardly see the reason of you accusing me of impatience to long conversations with you, as you must not see that any conversation with you from anyone is a one-sided fit of pleaing and made up code-words on your part. Honestly ask anyone playing... I even recall Pevergreen so fed up as to say "I know who to add to my don't play with list".
I'm not trying to start an argument, not at all. I'm just saying what I think. If you can't stand it and "won't give me a ponytail" or whatever other childish pun you can think of, so be it.
And for the record, if I wanted anymore spam and ridiculous arguments I'd listen to Hillary Clinton.
PershsNhpios
02-10-2008, 04:42
Are you calling me an old woman?
Blue eight eagle braveheart.
It is time to mash the hot bun. Out.
(I'm going to be off for a while, so you can all breathe easy and talk about things without getting annoyed.)
CountArach
02-10-2008, 05:09
Glenn - if you indeed have an all-red role you broke the rules by telling us that you would come up Unclear.
I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default. Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.
Good idea. Lynch one now, deal with the rest of them when the first one comes up guilty.
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 05:14
Thank God im not the only one that thinks so. Hopefully we all know who we want to lynch, i have some ideas :yes: ...
Well, what I see here looks a bit like what Crazed Rabbit described earlier.
If glenn isn't a detective and gets off the hook now, he will try to lead the town posing as a detective and that can only be a bad thing. On the other hand, if he is a detective, well, we have other detectives it wouldn't be that good to lynch him although not too bad either.
A few points.
#904 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828512&postcount=904)
He was protected night one. The odds are better that he was a don getting protected by a luca than a doctor choosing to protect him.
Why are those the only two options. This is Capo, we are dealing with more than either/or. Maybe there is something more than a Luca or Doctor protecting us? I can't explain an we all know why, but there are mechanics acting in our favor, they are neither doctor nor luca.
He makes up a simply outlandish claim full of holes a mile wide. Even then, the third member of their 'group' hasn't been found, suggesting idiocy or non-existence.
What holes? There are no holes in the truth. Believe us or not we will be vindicated in the post game. I've got the truth on my side and it will see me through.
As to our third member; again there are more than two options. Why must it be only that we told a lie or our third is stupid? Maybe he is one of the 21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1827101&postcount=5) people who are inactive and not voting.
#936 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828736&postcount=936)
Lynching Jimbob and Glenn would effectively cripple an entire family unless they got really lucky with wiseguy recruitment. If they really do have some wacky protown role then why hasn't the third guy shown up to confirm the story? Either they are scum or the third guy is going to get WoG'd soon so all we're losing is a couple of detectives that no one will believe anyways.
No it won't. It'll only hurt the town by taking away two people who can aid the town. The third will apparently be WoG'd soon. I hope that like in the last Capo he'd be replaced by a random townie (I replaced a detective on N5 I believe). So hopefully our third will come to us by one or another method soon.
941 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1828791&postcount=941)
I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default.
Good thing you're not Seamus, cause apparently he can, and apparently he put it in the rules. It's the !@#$%#&$&#&@% truth. All you'll get by killing us is that the mafia will have to look over their shoulder less.
Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.
This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. (See Post 751 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1827183&postcount=751) if you have questions). So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.
Why are those the only two options. This is Capo, we are dealing with more than either/or. Maybe there is something more than a Luca or Doctor protecting us? I can't explain an we all know why, but there are mechanics acting in our favor, they are neither doctor nor luca.
We have to assume that because that's the only logical explanation.
This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.
Twist the facts?
Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated - just a warning - we will not appear criminal, and certainly not guilty as here is our history of night actions;
I believe you both said your entire role PM's were red or most of them anyways. You didn't post the part of your PM's that may not have been red. This to me is starting to seem more and more like a ploy. Saying your entire PM is red then using a part of the PM that apparently isn't red to help Glenn and your case. It's a strange phenomenon I guess.:thumbsdown:
CountArach
02-10-2008, 07:31
I'm betting they made up the Red PM. The third person has not been willing to come forward (Though I have my suspicions) and until that happens I can't trust that they are telling the truth.
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 07:41
I'm betting they made up the Red PM. The third person has not been willing to come forward (Though I have my suspicions) and until that happens I can't trust that they are telling the truth.
Even if he does come forward...it might be fake.
If they are telling the truth, as far as I can tell, they've broken the rules. We know alot about their roles even though they weren't alowed to tell us. Odd? I think so.
And so I don't get accused for not posting what we "know" (were told):
-We know there is 3
-They are "pro-town"
-They use code-words
-They appear unclear
-Glenn "is a detective with a sword"
-They can save lives
-Roles in red
Anything else, please feel free to post :book:
Apparently they have the ability to change the color of their role PM's as well. ~;)
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2008, 08:17
Good thing you're not Seamus, cause apparently he can, and apparently he put it in the rules. It's the !@#$%#&$&#&@% truth. All you'll get by killing us is that the mafia will have to look over their shoulder less.
I suppose this is fair enough, I looked up the rogue detective from last game and he came up as "criminal" under investigation.
This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. (See Post 751 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1827183&postcount=751) if you have questions). So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.
Lose the attitude, if I were modding the game I'd have WoG'd you both. Maybe seamus is more lenient. How come you express certainty that I'm an innocent townie?
CountArach
02-10-2008, 08:21
And so I don't get accused for not posting what we "know" (were told):
-We know there is 3
-They are "pro-town"
-They use code-words
-They appear unclear
-Glenn "is a detective with a sword"
-They can save lives
-Roles in red
Glenn has one and JimBob another. How could you forget that? :tongue:
PershsNhpios
02-10-2008, 09:12
Hmm, who has the attitude now.
So it's become a matter, due to great inactivity and a very long overdue Night Action summary, of wether to believe Glenn and JimBob.
It seems that the longer you all ponder anything, the more you despise it.
I suppose this is just a matter of self-deceit and nit-picking, the latter of which I have not found a need for in Capo II.
I admit, the part about my appearance under investigation was written in red.
I crossed the line.
Wipe me out if necessary, at least I won't have to sit around waiting for a decent event to occur so nobody has to throw themselves on wild goose chases.
Until I feel the wrath of god, or Night 2 is summarised and we all have something to properly suspect - I give up on Capo.
Sarathos
02-10-2008, 11:44
Hey Seamus, need any help with the write up?
i think we're concentrating too much on glenn, and that the mafia are taking advantage of the situation.
if glenn does claim to be such a powerful pro-town role, then the mafia will obviously try their hardest to get him lynched.
im not saying he's not suspicious, but i think he's been taken advantage of
i think the most suspicious are the ones that are the most hard pressing/over-reacting on glenn
i just have a gut-feeling that glenn could be what he claims to be, i mean, why can't there be any weird roles?
Until I feel the wrath of god, or Night 2 is summarised and we all have something to properly suspect - I give up on Capo.
Don't be so hard on yourself. Remember, there are 15 Mafiosi in this game and they certainly don't want a team of über-detectives chasing their tail. They want your abilities gone from the game. Take it as severe opposition and make your resolve strong.
The Stranger
02-10-2008, 13:49
why does it take so long for the write up :P
Dutch_guy
02-10-2008, 14:06
Hey Seamus, need any help with the write up?
You'd like to make sure you're role is accentuated, I presume ~;)
:balloon2:
The Stranger
02-10-2008, 14:11
:laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-10-2008, 14:54
As I was writing the summary of the morning portion, I noticed I'd *&%^ed up. New version in later post.
Andres murdered??? He was a director this night wasnt he?
Plenty of luck again this night for others..
The Stranger
02-10-2008, 15:32
who protected you GH??? no mention of a ptgroup...
for those wondering who protected glenn, contact me.
Pannonian
02-10-2008, 15:32
Presumably this means Kommodus will fill in as director for this tonight as well.
Vote: Twilightblade
Why the sudden change of heart? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1826891#post1826891)
And it happened in the final minute, which is very suspicious in my opinion.
scottishranger
02-10-2008, 15:51
Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent.
GeneralHankerchief saw the cabby running up the block, and knew with a sinking certainty that he’d be sitting back down next to another gunman who’d entered from the street side and that this ride would be his last. He sat back down anyway – not much choice – while the first gunman went around to the driver’s seat.
GeneralHankerchief turned to see who the second gunman was. An empty seat? There was nobody else in the cab! Stunned, but not willing to miss a chance, Generalhankerchief bolted out of his door exactly as the “Asian” gunman climbed into the driver’s seat. He was 40 feet away and doging and weaving toward a crowd of tourists – currently arguing with two Fatlington cops about a parking ticket – when the gunman got a line on him with his weapon. The gunman paused. This probably means that this was a vigilante group that was betrayed from within. Somebody must have dropped the ball here. The last thing we need are random townie vigilante groups killing people.
Andres
“
Prego Don Barzini.”
This probably means he was killed at the orders of a mafia don. "Prego" means I pray in Italian, so "I pray to Don Barzini". It looks like the mafia has woken up.
Tommy guns were coming up and starting to hose lead almost as the vehicle ground to a halt. The range was less than ten feet and there was not a chance they would miss. Police were responding in under 30 seconds, sirens blaring and several cars converging on the scene, but in that half minute more than 300 rounds had been emptied from the drum magazines of the tommy guns. The assailant’s cars sped quickly into side streets and were quickly abandoned as the gunmen clear the scene.
To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.
This means someone has a pretty powerful role also. Since there is no sign of a protection group, or anything else, I have got to assume he has a powerful pro town role.
Glenn
Once again, it appears Glenn was protected either by a Doctor or his Luca. This makes him even more suspicious in my mind. Also, Deu
32:5 is a verse from the bible, in Deuteronomy
They have corrupted themselves, their spot [is] not [the spot] of his children: [they are] a perverse and crooked generation.
KukriKhan
02-10-2008, 16:04
Right Chapter, wrong verse. You want verse 35:
To me [belongeth] vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in [due] time: for the day of their calamity [is] at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
-edit-
It almost seems like we have a reverse-WoG thing going on in some cases. Miracle saves, guns malfunctioning, hundreds of slugs not finding "home"...
scottishranger
02-10-2008, 16:07
Right Chapter, wrong verse. You want verse 35:
Ah, close enough:wall:
Anyways, it is thought provoking. It could be a clue for a possible Cult, or probably a serial killer.
Haudegen
02-10-2008, 16:19
Glenn would suffer no more than a mild concussion, though he wouldn’t be free of his headaches for some time.
This could mean that Glenn received punishment for violating the rules. Headaches can be nasty indeed. And this bible verse is somehow fitting in the context of punishment. Perhaps he lost some special powers for some time?
If I´m right, then Glenn would IMHO be proven innocent.
But let´s wait and see if any detective reports will arrive on Glenn and JimBob.
Right now it seems that Twilightblade has something to explain.
Vote: Twilightblade
Pannonian
02-10-2008, 16:23
Vote: Tiberius of the Drake
Unless he manages to adequately explain his PM, he should go.
CapoTally as of post 977
twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)
Tiberius of the Drake 1 (pannonian)
This simplifies things. Let's wait and see what Andres' role was. ~:) :book:
KukriKhan
02-10-2008, 16:28
I don't speak Italian/Sicilian, but I've heard "prego" used before as meaning: "You're Welcome".
"Per favore." "Grazie." "Prego."
Please. Thank you. You're welcome.
scottishranger
02-10-2008, 16:33
I just used an italian translator. It probably has multiple meanings and can be used in different contexts.
I vote: Tiberius of the Drake. His pm condemns him and makes him a pretty easy choice.
Tally as of Post 980:
CapoTally as of post 977
twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)
Tiberius of the Drake 2 (pannonian, scottishranger)
vote: Tiberius of the Drake
until breaking news comes from him or somebody else
CapoTally as of post 981
Tiberius of the Drake 3 (pannonian, scottishranger, charge)
twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)
edit: we should select new chief btw
hmmm Andres killed. A shame as I thik he was pro-town.
Glenn seems to be attacked by either someone religious, someone pretending to be. Any known players that are deeply christian, or would someone perhaps have some role which has to do with Christianity (if there are crusaders why not something else?)
scottishranger
02-10-2008, 16:41
hmmm Andres killed. A shame as I thik he was pro-town.
Glenn seems to be attacked by either someone religious, someone pretending to be. Any known players that are deeply christian, or would someone perhaps have some role which has to do with Christianity (if there are crusaders why not something else?)
It could possibly be a cult. I wouldnt doubt it with all the craziness in this game.
Intruding....
Never mind please, just checking.
Yeah. Hmmm I'm sorry that Andres is dead, but I must say, he managed to get himself killed interestingly.
However uit could also be just some kind of silly trademark. (remember the Arrividerci mafia with a love of exotic weapons for example?)
Intruding...
err...? :dizzy2:
Also Tosa, is it me or has your postcount been reduced a lot.
Also Tosa, is it me or has your postcount been reduced a lot.I dont know why Tosa did that, to discourage spamming perhaps :D
TevashSzat
02-10-2008, 17:03
Well it looks like we''re pretty lucky to have so many failed murders, but it seems that they are mostly failed vigilante groups instead of protections so that raises some troubling questions as to why there are so many people out to enter vigilante groups and killing random people.
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 17:08
I would vote Twilightblade for his last second vote changing, but I will wait until Glenn's investigation comes in (if anyone will come forward??).
Yes, this means I am openly suspicious of Glenn, for all of those wondering.
-Twilight, you never did explain why did you change your vote?
Well it looks like we''re pretty lucky to have so many failed murders, but it seems that they are mostly failed vigilante groups instead of protections so that raises some troubling questions as to why there are so many people out to enter vigilante groups and killing random people.
or wiseguys trying to form groups.
Proletariat
02-10-2008, 17:17
Vote: GH
Tiberius of the Drake 3 (pannonian, scottishranger, charge)
twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief (Prole)
Lt. Pinard
02-10-2008, 17:18
“Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent
sounds like the same guy that killed Drisos(sp?). And that was done with two people. Which would suggest mafia. But is sounds by the write up that they were short one person. Could still be mafia and it's just that one of them forgot to send in their pm.
After that last write up I'm pretty sure that glenn isnt a don. Because if it was a luca protecting him then why would the luca be unknown to Glenn and just leave him there.
Lastly What's up with the last part of that write up. The part about Jimbob and Ajaxfetish. I don't get that at all.
RoadKill
02-10-2008, 17:24
Hmm... I don't think there was a townie group protecting GH was there?
Kagemusha
02-10-2008, 17:27
Since i havent heard any kind of explanation from Tiberius of the Drake, i will vote: Tiberius of the Drake. He seems like a clear lynch after the pm Pannonian quoted.:whip:
Vote: Tiberius of the Drake
As others have already mentioned, he has the strongest evidence against him so far. Let's go with what we know.
Hannibalbarc
02-10-2008, 17:32
To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.
In my opinion there's something suspicious about Taka, that's almost as bad as before when the 4 gun misfired twice, meaning he could be a don protected by his luca.
fos:Taka
TruePraetorian
02-10-2008, 17:32
I re-read the PM by Tiberius. Explain, or you have my vote.
Vote:Tiberius of the Drake
Also, Proletariat, can you please explain why you voted for GH?
Capotally: post:997
Tiberius of the Drake 6: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow)
twilightblade 2: (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief: (Prole)
Dutch_guy
02-10-2008, 17:45
So far the best case seems to be made against Tiberius of Drake.He hasn't bothered to give any form of an adequate defensive for that PM Pannonian posted, which is why he get's my vote.
Vote:Tiberius of the Drake
Tiberius of the Drake 7: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow, Dutch_guy)
twilightblade 2: (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief: (Prole)
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Myrddraal
02-10-2008, 18:13
It's a blatant bandwagon, but a worthwhile one I think.
Vote: Tiberius of Drake
This vote is temporary pending any results regarding Glenn or Jimbob.
Seing as Glenn and Jimbob have claimed they will both come out with a specific result, I'd suggest detectives who get that result stay quiet. We only really want detectives revealing if we are certain to get mafia through that reveal.
Last thing about Glenn before I get accused of focusing on him too much (his is a facinating case, you've got to admit)
After that last write up I'm pretty sure that glenn isnt a don. Because if it was a luca protecting him then why would the luca be unknown to Glenn and just leave him there.
Well that depends, and I suppose it's a question for the Host. What happens if more than one group tries to protect someone? Who gets priority? What if Glenn was protected by his Luca, but also sombody else? Would the Luca always get priority?
ajaxfetish
02-10-2008, 18:23
Dang it. I was hoping to get in before the bandwagon. However, the evidence against Tiberius seems most damning so far, and he has yet to reply to the charges.
vote: Tiberius the Drake
If we get criminal results on Jimbob, perhaps we could try for a three-way lynch? And who is the director today if Andres got hit? Is it Kommodus again?
Glenn and Jimbob's story continues to get more interesting. If they're mafia, they need to go down. The religious references/paraphernalia continues however, and got me thinking. Boondock Saints (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boondock_Saints), anyone?
And for now at least,
select: abstain
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Capotally 999
Tiberius of the Drake 9: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow, Dutch_guy, Myrddraal, ajaxfetish)
twilightblade 2: (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief: (Prole)
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Director Selection 999
Abstain 1: (ajaxfetish)
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