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Sasaki Kojiro
15/02/08, 17:03
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You can't lynch all three (or is it four? Or maybe five? Who knows?) of us today...
Besides, the triple, quadruple lynch system is bound to fail: one mistake in a tally, one last minute vote by mistake and bye bye triple lynch ~:wave:
You were one of those editing his post to change a vote, which is was (Seamus has forbidden this) one way to make the multiple lynch system fail.
I posted a correct tally two minutes after my vote change to make sure it was shown right. Also, it clearly wasn't an attempt to make the multiple lynch system fail as we weren't trying for 4 lynches anymore at that point.
Wasn't said multiple lynches system your idea, you manipulative sneaky old snake ~;)
"We need to lynch four players at a time!" = The perfect tool to make the town screw up again and again and again and...
4 players in question--Andres(admitted made), xdeath(confirmed bad wise guy), GH(suspect) and sigurd(suspect).
Louis' role as Director really screws up our ability to do a multilynch today. If I were in his position, I would let everyone off just to frustrate the town. So, I conclude that we'll only get to lynch one person today. Might as well make it Louis and get it out of the way. We can then elect a trustworthy Director and arrange an absolutely massive multi-lynch tomorrow.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
15/02/08, 17:12
I have an apology/confession to make. I unknowingly leaked a red area of my role PM in the private area - regarding the luck and survival chances that Dons have without the aid of their Luca. By the time I had realised Andres and Dutch_guy had read it, so I felt there was no point in editing it out - doing so could not repair already performed harm. At the time I also knew that these two would not reveal this detail to anybody else externally, so the damage caused was limited.
As you may expect though, I was not anticipating the entire discussion thread ending up in the public arena. I quickly deleted the topic after Louis' betrayal to avoid him using it for his personal gain or revealing anything contained within it, but this clearly failed - he must have grabbed hold of it long before I destroyed all the information contained within it.
My sincere apologies for any problems/imbalances this may have caused ~:(
In my mind we have couple options. We could just vote Louis and lynch him. Or if you can promise to honor the wishes of the town, by allowing us multiple lynch, we could lynch more then one people and lynch Louis later.What say you Louis? So for now Vote: Abstain and select: Kagemusha
Select: Sasaki
With the death of Kommodus, he's the only person alive I trust fully. I will wait on my lynch vote until we discuss this in more detail. Given how many problems it causes in a thread this size, I'm going to try avoid vote changes from now on.
Unfortunately andres and dutch guy are still alive. We have to wonder if louis will lynch them. Although it appears they didn't make any attempt to kill last night.
Can't say anything about that, but I do agree she has to go.
:balloon2:
Can't say anything about that, but I do agree she has to go.
:balloon2:
She?
EDIT: Oh crap should have read more carefully
It's funny how it's mostly the mafia posting here in the thread. :balloon2:
scottishranger
15/02/08, 18:17
Select Sasaki
He seems to have the best interests of the town at heart, but of course I cant be sure. I simply dont know who to trust now.
The multi lynch is incredibly frustrating, if we get off vote, then we let alot of suspects get off without getting the really important people.
Right now Prole is pretty suspicous to me. She survivied two attacks with only one protector. This could mean she has a doctor protecting her, but I doubt it since she has not been the most active person.
Vote: Proletariot
I've lost my trust in Louis. He failed my litmus test. Moros was my main investigation source. The only people who knew were Me, Glenn, Stranger, and Louis. Glenn and Stranger are dead, I'm on the towns side. Moros's death further blinds the town.
Your excuse for Glenn's death rings hollow. You told me that you cut me out of the protection to allow me to investigate. I clearly said, "I can't investigate, I'll help protect Glenn".
I reproduce the PM Louis sent as an 'apology' for Glenn's death:
Glenn ; JimBob ; Husar ; Leet Eriksson ; TinCow ;
Hello,
I was out and about hunting mafia with Andres last night. Hence, it was I who did not send in the last PM.
After I found four people willing to protect Glenn, I could go ahead with killing Pannonian. Had to gain the trust of the family and have them reveal themselves to me. I could not speak of this earlier, because I was in the process of uncovering the names of the don and luca. I could under no circumstance endanger this, not even through PM.
This is why there were four of us in the protection group. Me, and three real protectors. Alas, one PM was not send in time.
Why did I have to lie that I was in there? Well...you try telling people to protect Glenn when most are not convinced of his innocence, eh? Only to then not join yourself. Some of the three protectors had serious doubt. I do not think Husar would've joined if I wouldn't have lied that I was in myself. Husar can confirm to all of you, that it took me some very long PM's to convince him not to protect *****, but Glenn.
Still, we paid a high price. It was not suppossed to go wrong. Three people were supposed to have been protecting Glenn. I organised it, so it is my responsability.
My apologies then to all of you.
On the upside, The Stracchi's are now done for.
Why were you hunting mafia with Andres? He's a made. Why would he hunt mafia? Your story slips around and changes subtly, I've never been able to get a firm hold on it. Thanks for burning the Stracchis, but your usefulness to the town has run out.
Vote: Louis
That said, let us not forget the other suspicious persons. Sasaki, Prole, Crazed Rabbit, Faction Heir, and what happened to kagemusha? But now, Louis is the most damned in my eyes.
Select: JimBob
I'm pro-town. I will lynch whoever you want. I cannot fulfill my primary victory conditions, so I am at the town's complete service, my survival in this game is forfeit. I offer myself as director to do as the town wishes. If a more suitable candidate is found, someone who needs to survive the game, I will change my vote on the spot.
I repeat my offer from earlier:
Any Detectives who need a spokesman to reveal their investigations, and doctors who want Detectives to protect, and townies who want to organize protection groups (there will be no vig-kills through this source, this warrior has gone monk). Contact me. I am at the service of the town.
It is interesting that both the hits on Prole were mafia. The first was the usual weather balloon crew (who are racking up an impressive number of kills) and the second was obviously the Stracchi remnants. Prole has seemed a bit suspicious to me off and on, but it seems unlikely that two families would target her on the same night without having some specific reasons for wanting her dead. She's spent pretty much every post pointing the finger at GH, but the Stracchis made two attempts on GH and the Balloon gang finally got him. That's both of the families that went after Prole. Therefore, Prole's attacks on GH did not make her a target. She was therefore targeted for reasons that are not publicly known, so that definitely ups her on the suspicion-o-meter.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
15/02/08, 18:28
I feel the need to comment on Sasaki's contact with a Made who is supposedly supplying him with investigative results. As far as I know he has no reason to falsify this. In all honesty he has fewer reasons to actually make it truthful.
I recommend that the town pressurises him into revealing details on this shady character and how he came into contact with him rather than electing him as director.
I suggest urgent actions be taken against Louis and GH for previously mentioned actions/crimes.
I suggest urgent actions be taken against Louis and GH for previously mentioned actions/crimes.
Uh, GH is dead.
TruePraetorian
15/02/08, 18:51
People remember what I said:
Lets make it a house rule to post a tally after every vote.
This would organize it much better.
As for voting, I vote:abstain...I don't know if we can vote for director. If we can, I will vote Loius..be sure of it. So, if anyone can tell me the rules on lynching a director, I will change my vote.
Second, it's not like I don't trust some people, but I trust myself the most (obviously)
Select:TruePraetorian
Whoever the next director is should vow to multi-lynch. Or at least lynch whoever the people want to lynch, which I know I can do without hesitiation. So, if you have someone to double, or even tripple lynch, lets make sure the next director will do so. ( I will :yes: )
Cappotally --- 1764
Lynch votes:
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 1 (Scottishranger)
Loius - 1 (JimBob)
Director Selection:
Sasaki - 1 (TinCow)
JimBob - 1 (JimBob)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
GeneralHankerchief
15/02/08, 18:53
TruePraetorian, Seamus confirmed in the rules thread that we can lynch a sitting Director.
Also, I kind of find it funny that the people most going after me are turning out to be entirely untrustworthy. First Omanes (Don), then Louis (traitor scumbag), and now Prole (possibly Don).
Kinda funny, isn't it?
TruePraetorian
15/02/08, 19:00
Thanks, GH. I will change my vote.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Loius
Cappotally --- 1766
Lynch votes:
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 1 (Scottishranger)
Loius - 2 (JimBob, TruePraetorian)
Director Selection:
Sasaki - 1 (TinCow)
JimBob - 1 (JimBob)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Sasaki Kojiro
15/02/08, 19:06
I can't help but feel there's more that needs to be done today.
Vote:Louis
Select:Sasaki
Cappotally --- 1764
Lynch votes:
Loius - 3 (JimBob, TruePraetorian,Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 1 (Scottishranger)
Director Selection:
Sasaki - 3 (TinCow,Scottishranger,Sasaki)
JimBob - 1 (JimBob)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Select:Caius
You can trust in me, since I am a townie.
TinCow is right, if they are targeting prole, it cant just be a coincidence, therefore, I will vote:prole
Select: JimBob
In my book he is the only confirmed pro-townie alive.
Vote: abstain
Cappotally --- 1769
Lynch votes:
Loius - 3 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, Haudegen)
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 2 (Scottishranger, Caius)
Director Selection:
Sasaki - 3 (TinCow, Scottishranger, Sasaki)
JimBob - 1 (JimBob, Haudegen)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius - 1 (Caius)
edit: included Caius
Right tally:
Loius - 3 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, Haudegen)
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 2 (Scottishranger, Caius)
Director Selection:
Sasaki - 3 (TinCow, Scottishranger, Sasaki)
JimBob - 2 (JimBob, Haudegen)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius - 1 (Caius)
Haudegen and everyone else, Seamus has hinted editing votes is now a modkillable offence. Unvote then vote, or don't change your vote at all.
Okay, but I felt I had to correct the tally. If someone copies a wrong tally, the error may be carried on unnoticed. I hope Seamus doesn´t mind too much, since my vote itself didn´t change.
Ok, I´m a little stupid. The tally was still wrong. Here is the correct one. (I hope, please check!)
Lynch votes:
Loius - 3 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 2 (Scottishranger, Caius)
Director Selection:
Sasaki - 3 (TinCow, Scottishranger, Sasaki)
JimBob - 2 (JimBob, Haudegen)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius - 1 (Caius)
I´ll try to explain it, believe it or not. I was considering to vote Louis. I prepared the tally accordingly, then I hit the preiview button. Then I reconsidered and chose not to vote now. I figured that Louis would get enough votes anyway and perhaps later in the phase something new might evolve. I didn´t want my vote for Louis to be in the way of a possible multi lynch.
So changed to abstain and forgot to remove me in the tally. Sorry.
edit: damn I´m getting nervous. another error.
erm none of these tallies seem to have Kagemusha's ever optimistic attempt to elect himself included https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1834157&postcount=1754
could people double check nothing else is missing, before anything does carry on unnoticed.
(I'm still trying to catch up with rest of thread so will vote later)
we aint going to make mistake again are we?
Select: JimBob
edit: not vote changing :brood:
Fos: Kagemusha
Fos: FactionHeir
they wont get away that easy
someone please screen them!
Louis has indeed done the town a great service by exposing most of the Stracchi family. But this does not make him pro-town, and it's pretty clear he isn't.
First, there's the matter of Tran: why did Louis lie about him being the Stracchi's original Made, while leaving Andres out of his tell-all post completely? If he wanted the Stracchis truly wiped out, he wouldn't have done this.
This means that Louis knew perfectly well that he had become a Made gangster, and was still trying to lead his new family to victory.
And regarding this:
@Kommodus, on N1, a rogue detective – who doesn’t give inaccurate results – showed you as criminal. JimBob showed you as criminal too.
Yet, you said in the thread that you should show up as ‘innocent’. This is a lie.
That's not how the rules (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1819573&postcount=2) read.
Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.
This appears to be irrespective of the "accuracy" of the investigation; you'll notice how FBI detectives get more accurate results than regular detectives (though still not perfectly accurate). I must be one of those unlucky townies who shows up as "criminal." It isn't relevant how many times I get investigated.
Anyway, this will become obvious in a few days after my post-mortem, so it's pointless to debate this further.
Ghost Vote: Louis
You played the game well, sir - that kind of deceit, treachery, murder is truly what Capo di Tutti Capi is all about. :bow:
Crazed Rabbit
15/02/08, 20:44
On Prole. She was obviously protected, which means either she's a Don or has a doctor friend.
And she was attacked after leading the charge on GH. I think the mafia thought she might have a role. The mafia knows it's pointless to attack a Don before killing the Luca. And I find it very unlikely two separate mafias would attack a Don.
And while Louis is untrustworthy, he's not going to be doing much killing with any other mafias, I think.
We need to remember who the killers are, and lynch so as to prevent mafia murders.
so vote: Zorg
select: Jimbob
Edit: tally
Lynch votes:
Loius - 3 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki)
Sasaki - 1 (Andres)
Prole - 2 (Scottishranger, Caius)
Zorg - 1 (Rabbit)
Director Selection:
Sasaki - 3 (TinCow, Scottishranger, Sasaki)
JimBob - 4 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, Rabbit)
TruePraetorian - 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius - 1 (Caius)
Kagemusha - 1 (Kage)
scottishranger
15/02/08, 20:47
Hey man, Zorg is dead, just letting you know.
This appears to be irrespective of the "accuracy" of the investigation; you'll notice how FBI detectives get more accurate results than regular detectives (though still not perfectly accurate). I must be one of those unlucky townies who shows up as "criminal." It isn't relevant how many times I get investigated.
Anyway, this will become obvious in a few days after my post-mortem, so it's pointless to debate this further.
'criminal' result twicely eh? You actually should be made or luca of one of the families, especially with that write-up (townie with .38 snub-nose equalized gun and sported a sturdy bulletproof vest under his coat!?? ~:eek: ) .
Prole also leaded charge against Sasaki ~;)
Who was real attackers in her 2nd murder-attempt? Stracchi (...you said you going to leave game with respect didnt you? :inquisitive:) or weather balloon-ers (who had 3 kills yesterday now only 2) ?
ie how much mafia can change write-up into own?
Crazed Rabbit
15/02/08, 21:02
Hey man, Zorg is dead, just letting you know.
Ah, right.
unvote: zorg
vote:xdeathfire
ajaxfetish
15/02/08, 21:18
I appreciate the useful information in Louis' reveal, and the opportunity it gives us to take out the Stracchi family. However, it's clear based on Louis' original attempt to keep Andres safe and the delay between his reveal and his evidence that he had wicked intentions. If Andres had gone along with it, he might have even gotten away with it. Deviously well played, Louis; however, as Kommodus pointed out, it seems you are already a Stracchi made gangster, so you must die.
vote: Louis
I'm not 100% trusting of JimBob, at least not till Glenn's post-mortem comes through, but their story is weird enough I want to believe it and IIRC he came up innocent when suspected of being Glenn's luca.
So for now, select: Jimbob (I'll post tallies in a separate post once I have a chance to go back and make sure of them)
I want to trust Sasaki as well, but there's one big question I have for him. He admitted his investigation source was a made. He seems unwilling to reveal his source's name, and for now I'll let that go. However, why was a made willing to share investigation results with you, Sasaki? It would make sense if you were part of the family, but I'm pretty sure you're not claiming that, so how did you come to receive the information. Is your source still amenable to passing on more information to you? If so, why?
On to the current mafia summary. So according to the invitation made through TosaInu, we have the names of our 5 mafia families:
--Stracchi. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy, Made: Andres, Made: LouisVI, associated wise guy of uncertain identity (Louis claims Tran, Andres claims not Tran). Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (claims wise guy, N3), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3) and Proletariat (N4, possible Don).
--Corleone. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead), several unknown associated wise guys. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (N3, claims 'crusader' of sorts), Beefy (N3, possible Don), The Stranger (N3), GH (N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, possible Don).
--Tataglia.
--Barzini.
--Cunnio.
One of the above 3 is likely the yellow rose group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any unknown. Calling Card: Yellow rose. Victims: Zorg (N3), Moros (N4, possible detective), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4).
The Stracchi are pretty much done for, but individual members still need to be killed off (Dutch Guy, Andres, Louis). The Corleones are very troubling, managing 3 successful hits the third night (so a minimum of 4 wise guys, 5 if the luca was protecting the don), and working to arrange cooperation between the families.
The Tataglia have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis.
I have no definite information so far on the Cunnios (inactive members? yellow rose group? otherwise keeping a low profile?).
Ajax
edit: whoops, I guess the Corleones have a minimum of 5 associated wise guys, since they lost Tiberius. Scary.
Select: Husar
Vote: xdeathfire
Well, he is a proven mafiosi or wannabe, vote and selection are subject to change(no, not by editing...), however.
Sasaki Kojiro
15/02/08, 21:21
I want to trust Sasaki as well, but there's one big question I have for him. He admitted his investigation source was a made. He seems unwilling to reveal his source's name, and for now I'll let that go. However, why was a made willing to share investigation results with you, Sasaki? It would make sense if you were part of the family, but I'm pretty sure you're not claiming that, so how did you come to receive the information. Is your source still amenable to passing on more information to you? If so, why?
He was willing to share the results with me because he knows I won't reveal him. I'm not part of the family I am a townie. It's up to him whether he passes on information or not.
Vote:Louis
Select:Ichigo
Hello Ichigo
I hear that you contacted the Stracchi's last night. What was that all about?
Were you hoping to recruit, to have them make a kill one last time?
Did you recruit their wiseguy?
I didn't contact the Stracchi's last night. Whoever gave you that info is wrong.
ajaxfetish
15/02/08, 21:33
Capotally as of post #1783
Lynching
LouisVI: 4 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 2 (CR, Husar)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Not Voting: 48
Directorial Election
JimBob: 5 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Not Selecting: 47
Changes
TruePraetorian (vote:abstain to vote:Louis)
CR (vote:Zorg[dead] to vote:xdeathfire)
ajaxfetish
15/02/08, 21:35
Capotally as of post #1785
Lynching
LouisVI: 5 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 2 (CR, Husar)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Not Voting: 48
Directorial Election
JimBob: 5 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Not Selecting: 47
Changes
TruePraetorian (vote:abstain to vote:Louis)
CR (vote:Zorg[dead] to vote:xdeathfire)
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updated to include Ichigo's votes
Unvote: xdeathfire
Vote: Louis
Nice try buddy, but your evil plans didn't really work out. ~;p
Looks like everyone finally agrees on Louis. I appove of this, so I'll commit myself.
Vote: Louis VI the Fat.
Capotally as of post #1788
Lynching
LouisVI: 7 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Not Voting: 48
Directorial Election
JimBob: 5 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Not Selecting: 47
Omanes Alexandrapolites
15/02/08, 22:07
Uh, GH is dead.Sorry - I didn't read the write-up fully ~:(
I didn't contact the Stracchi's last night. Whoever gave you that info is wrong.I can confirm that Ichigo has had no two way contact with the Stracchi family while I was in charge. You can see this from our discussion topic's posts which Louis has managed to salvage. We planned to recruit him after hearing he was a wise guy, but I'm doubtful as to whether Andres got round to PMing him or not. If he did there certainly wasn't a reply.
Northnovas
15/02/08, 22:15
The cooperation isn't working with trying a double lynch. Lets go with what we know and have been talking about to do and not get diverted.
Vote: Louis VI the Fat.
For director there appears to be some good candidates but he seems to be one us.
Select: JimBob
Capotally as of post #1790
Lynching
LouisVI: 8 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN)
Proletariat: 2 (scottishranger, Caius)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Not Voting: 46
Directorial Election
JimBob: 6 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Not Selecting: 45
scottishranger
15/02/08, 22:15
Vote Louis
Although I still think Prol is very suspicious
ajaxfetish
15/02/08, 22:18
Vote Louis
Although I still think Prol is very suspicious
Remember to follow the format, scottishranger. You first need to unvote Proletariat before voting for Louis. Otherwise you risk messing up the tally and drawing suspicion to yourself. Also, it's nice to include the colon after the word vote.
Ajax
scottishranger
15/02/08, 22:27
Remember to follow the format, scottishranger. You first need to unvote Proletariat before voting for Louis. Otherwise you risk messing up the tally and drawing suspicion to yourself. Also, it's nice to include the colon after the word vote.
Ajax
Gah you people and your format.
:shame:
Unvote: Prol
Vote: Louis
Lynching
LouisVI: 9 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Not Voting: 46
Directorial Election
JimBob: 6 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN)
Sasaki: 3 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Not Selecting: 45
GeneralHankerchief
15/02/08, 22:28
Don't forget to bold 'em.
:grin:
CountArach
15/02/08, 22:35
Don't forget to bold 'em.
:grin:
Beat me to it!
I shall Vote: Louis. As has been said by so many, he would probably not go for the multi-lynch option if he has the choice, and would certainly not lynch himself if given the option.
For director I still don't trust JimBob until we get information on Glenn. So, in the interests of NOT selecting JimBob, I shall Select: Sasaki
Lynching
LouisVI: 10 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 1 (Andres)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Not Voting: 45
Directorial Election
JimBob: 6 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN)
Sasaki: 4 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Not Selecting: 44
Louis VI the Fat
15/02/08, 22:45
Three confessing mafia members are still on the loose. Yet, some townies want to lynch the guy who exposed them to the town.
I demand that this behaviour be given an entry in the f.a.q.: 'To vote a Louis - when a townie in full knowledge of the identity of multiple confessing mafiosi votes to kill the person who exposed them'. Monumental stupidity deserves it's own name.
Thanks.
Select: Louis. I promised the goods, and I delivered. My new campaign promise: to provide you with at least six names from Sasaki's Don Corleone balloon family before my new term is over. ~;)
:balloon2: :balloon: :balloon3: :balloon2: :balloon: :balloon3: :rifle:
Louis VI the Fat
15/02/08, 22:46
I CAN NOT BE A MADE. PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE.
I needed three kills for this. So I would've needed to kill on n2 as well. On n2, only Lordwinter was killed. He was killed by a single killer. Ergo: not me. :idea2:
I could not have made my two mafia group kills as a wiseguy if I had a lone killer power. And if I had single killer power I could not have made my two wiseguy kills. :smash:
Lord Winter was cagey – walking home to his apartment via the boardwalk so that he could be sure there were plenty of people around. It would not be enough. A section of boards collapsed beneath him dumping him onto the sand below where a masked figure clubbed him into unconsciousness.
He was injected with a lethal dose of heroin shortly thereafter – mostly to keep him unconscious as he faded out. He was tied, gagged and given a heavy set of cement boots – actually a galvanized tub filled with drying cement – and dropped into 20 feet of water at the end of the pier. He was, fortunately, dead from the overdose before he slipped under the water. His remains would never be found – except by the crabs.
Louis VI the Fat
15/02/08, 22:46
Proletariat noticed that the balloon had been deflated with a shotgun just before it would have yanked her upright to her death. She couldn’t make much sense of what was written on the balloon – “ncetnoni” I can make sense of it: I-n-n-o-c-e-n-t.
This, as the veterans here remember, has been the signature of Sasaki for over a year.
W..wait! D..did I just say Sasaki? :beam:
Regarding this:
That's not how the rules (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1819573&postcount=2) read.
Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.
This appears to be irrespective of the "accuracy" of the investigation; you'll notice how FBI detectives get more accurate results than regular detectives (though still not perfectly accurate). I must be one of those unlucky townies who shows up as "criminal." It isn't relevant how many times I get investigated.
Anyway, this will become obvious in a few days after my post-mortem, so it's pointless to debate this further. Wait, you are right! :idea2:
So, this means that 1 in 6 people who show up as innocent are really not innocent at all? Sasaki, you lucky *******! :whip:
So that's how you have been able to fool everybody.
Vote: Sasaki
Vote doesn't coun't. Just calling attention to Don Corleone Sasaki.
Thanks, Seamus, for that clever little clue. :2thumbsup:
GeneralHankerchief
15/02/08, 22:49
I promised the goods, and I delivered. My new campaign promise: to provide you with at least six names from Sasaki's Don Corleone balloon family before my new term is over.
Just like how I was in that family too, huh?
It's a nice try, Louis. Really, it is. But shut up now. :yes:
So confused...
:dizzy2:
Vote: Sasaki for now, but what I dont get is, why would he put his own tag in the kills?
Select Jimbob
Louis VI the Fat
15/02/08, 23:33
Actually, I was wrong three posts above. The balloon with innocent on it is from the yellow rose mafia.
In the interest of proper mafia hunting, this needed to be said. Gah.
*resumes mafia hunting*
Edit:
*cough* Andres, Dutch_Guy and Tran are still alive *cough*
Nobody interested in hanging self-professed mafia? I mean, I take it as a great compliment of course that the town is so scared of me that they would rather hang an incapacitated Louis than a functioning mafia group, but, uh, really...
Werent the Stracchi leaving the town??
Actually, I was wrong three posts above. The balloon with innocent on it is from the yellow rose mafia.
In the interest of proper mafia hunting, this needed to be said. Gah.
*resumes mafia hunting*
Edit:
*cough* Andres, Dutch_Guy and Tran are still alive *cough*
Nobody interested in hanging self-professed mafia? I mean, I take it as a great compliment of course that the town is so scared of me that they would rather hang an incapacitated Louis than a functioning mafia group, but, uh, really...
You promised they would be taken care of...
Why are they still alive again?
Lt. Pinard
16/02/08, 00:37
Vote: Andres
Select: Jimbob
Lynching
LouisVI: 10 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 1 (LtPinard)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Not Voting: 45
Directorial Election
JimBob: 8 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28)
Sasaki: 4 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Not Selecting: 44
I think that's right......:undecided:
Hello Lt. Pinard, how are you? What are your thoughts in the game?
Trying to save yourself eh, Louis? :cheesy: You can put up all that propaganda, but game's over for you.
Vote: Louis VI the Fat
As for Director, I will select one person that I can trust (beside myself):
Select: Tincow
Lynching
LouisVI: 11 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 1 (LtPinard)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 8 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28)
Sasaki: 4 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
vote: abstain Louis is a foregone conclusion anyway.
select: Craterus I've resisted not voting for myself so far but we don't seem to have had much luck in our previous directors so... ~:)
Tally
Lynching
LouisVI: 11 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 1 (LtPinard)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, Haudegen, Craterus)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 8 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28)
Sasaki: 4 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Caius: 1 (Caius)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Sack:Caius
Vote:TinCow
I do not trust JimBob at all. I think he will do something better for the town.
Lynching
LouisVI: 11 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 1 (LtPinard)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 8 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28)
Sasaki: 4 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 2 (Tran, Caius)
woad&fangs
16/02/08, 01:12
vote: present
I support Louis for the lynch but he seems to be well ahead in votes so I'll reserve my vote in case something else comes up.
select: Jimbob
Since Seamus is gonna kill me if i edit my vote, It was Select:Tincow and not Vote:Tincow as stated before.
LittleGrizzly
16/02/08, 01:14
Lynch Abstain
Select LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs
16/02/08, 01:14
Caius, I think that you meant to Select tincow instead of voting for him.
Upon reflection, I will sack Jimbob ; Select Tincow
Just to be sure.
I am Selecting:TinCow. Unvote:TinCow Vote:Abstain
vote: present
WTH is that? Can you explain that to me? :furious3:
If you want to Abstain then write Abstain and not present! :furious3:
I didn't see any presents around here, did you? Do I look like a christmas tree or what? Don't mess with me buddy! :furious3:
I have lost trakc of the game. Sorry everyone But am I still alive?
GeneralHankerchief
16/02/08, 01:25
Having fun with your drink again, Husar? :laugh4:
Having fun with your drink again, Husar? :laugh4:
:laugh4:
Sorry, I'm not an alcoholic. I'm perfectly sober but I always say that doesn't stop me from behaving drunk. ~D
GeneralHankerchief
16/02/08, 01:39
Well then, to give a perfectly sober person a perfectly legit response, "Present" is a perfectly acceptable vote, as per Seamus's perfectly official first post in the rules thread.
Generally, "Present" means I think, that you're here and you'll most likely change your vote later on.
Select: Jimbob
Pro-townie, I'm sorry I ever doubted your group, all three of you.
Seamus likes adding special roles/abilities, and I can confirm that GH was infact a wiseguy.
In Red.
I would like [words deleted at host request] information on Pannonian.
I know you have been busy, but I'd just like to remind you I asked for information on GeneralHankerchief on D2 for D3. I apologise if I'm being pushy.
Thanks, Rythmic.
P.S: Great write ups.
Sorry, this special ability is a one time only.
I am sorry I didn't respond about GH.
[Words deleted at host request] he's a wiseguy -- but as far as anyone knows he wasn't affiliated with a family.
As far as voting goes I'm torn between the obvious vote of Louis and GH's original suspect Ichigo. But...
Vote: Ichigo
GeneralHankerchief
16/02/08, 01:46
Appreciate the confirmation, Rythmic.
However, after having read the Fimbulwinter thread, it appears that Ichigo's adjustment in playing style (my main suspicion) was a conscious decision undertaken by him.
He's still way too inactive, but I don't suspect him as much as I used to.
I don't know...
Do you think Louis would lynch a tie with the remaining Stracchis?
Vote:Andres
He is confirmed mafioso and will be running around killing with his buddies in the remaining Stracchi family.
They would need two Mades for each kill right? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1819573&postcount=2)
We should atleast remove one.
(bedtime)
Sorry - I didn't read the write-up fully ~:(I can confirm that Ichigo has had no two way contact with the Stracchi family while I was in charge. You can see this from our discussion topic's posts which Louis has managed to salvage. We planned to recruit him after hearing he was a wise guy, but I'm doubtful as to whether Andres got round to PMing him or not. If he did there certainly wasn't a reply.
I was indeed contacted by Andres, but I never responded. Even if I had wanted too Louis had already revealed the family and destroyed it. PM:
Hello,
I'm a Made gangster operating for one of the five families involved in this game.
I know you are a Wiseguy. Our family has opportunities for you.
If you wish to join us, the family will ask you to kill together with another wiseguy. After three succesful kills, you will have the opportunity to become a Made Gangster and you'll be part of our family.
Please, accept this offer.
Ciao,
Andres.
Select: Jimbob
Pro-townie, I'm sorry I ever doubted your group, all three of you.
Seamus likes adding special roles/abilities, and I can confirm that GH was infact a wiseguy.
As far as voting goes I'm torn between the obvious vote of Louis and GH's original suspect Ichigo. But...
Vote: Ichigo
I'm not sure why you're suspicious of me so I can't say much about it. I haven't seen GH's accusations against me so I can't address them.
scottishranger
16/02/08, 03:08
Lynching
LouisVI: 12 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 2 (LtPinard, Signurd)
Ichigo: 1 (Rythmic)
Present: 1 (Woad&Fangs)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, Haudegen, LittleGrizzly)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 9 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28, Rythmic)
Sasaki: 4 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 3 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Just updating the tally.
Hannibalbarc
16/02/08, 03:09
As for Director, I will select one person that I can trust (beside myself):
Select: Tincow
How do you know you can trust him? Is he your buddy?
Tincow: 2 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
Someone go back to this early days in school! :P
Correct the error.
However, after having read the Fimbulwinter thread, it appears that Ichigo's adjustment in playing style (my main suspicion) was a conscious decision undertaken by him.
I see, in that case.
Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Andres
Seamus Fermanagh
16/02/08, 03:59
Since Seamus is gonna kill me if i edit my vote, It was Select:Tincow and not Vote:Tincow as stated before.
Thank you. You are spared.
Note: I'll try hold to my deadline and writeup as smoothly as possible, but it is again the weekend and family responsibilities can get in the way of the "important" stuff like capo.
Ignorant newbie question (this is my 2nd game): You guys are pretty sure the town can effectively lynch a Director while he's still in-office?
If the town successfully votes to lynch 2 or more people, the Director can direct the death(s) of 1, both, or none, if I read Seamus's decision correctly. Ergo, can not a Director whom the town votes to lynch simply ignore the mandate and kill no one?
So, are we wasting votes and opportunities to lynch other known anti-town bad guys by voting for a Director who can nullify the vote?
I'm unclear on this. I think Louis' demise can wait until he's no longer Director (Day 6 & 7).
Sorry to clog up the voting this way; I'd just hate to have a big townie suprise when Seamus writes up the end-of-day-5 summary, and the highest vote-getter doesn't die.
CountArach
16/02/08, 04:01
Ignorant newbie question (this is my 2nd game): You guys are pretty sure the town can effectively lynch a Director while he's still in-office?
Seamus had confirmed this when we asked earlier. We are able to kill the Director. If only 1 person is selected then the Director cannot ignore the mandate, regardless of what they want.
From all the evidence before and his actions now, I'm going to have to Vote:Louis
And Select:Sasaki
Seamus had confirmed this when we asked earlier. We are able to kill the Director. If only 1 person is selected then the Director cannot ignore the mandate, regardless of what they want.
OK, then... nevermind. :)
Still it seems incongruent that the Director could disregard a multi-lynch mandate, but not a single-lynch one. Should be one hella dramatic write-up.
GeneralHankerchief
16/02/08, 04:18
OK, then... nevermind. :)
Still it seems incongruent that the Director could disregard a multi-lynch mandate, but not a single-lynch one. Should be one hella dramatic write-up.
Last game, Sasaki was lynched pretty decisively while he was sitting director.
He requested that he die being run over by a bandwagon. :laugh4:
Lol @GH. Killing sasaki in a game by a bandwagon, i been working all day 17 hours and that wone makes me laugh :P
Anyways Things are starting to get interesting, I have just about managed to keep reasonably up to date with the thread even when I was away in Liverpool. I only missed one vote and that was due to not being able to make it home in time.
I Select: Jimbob for director and actually when Jimbob serves his two terms I think that Tincow is also defintly townie. So it would be a good Idea to elect Tincow and try and keep him alive for the next two turns. I think everyone is fairly confident he is innocent.
Vote:Louis I think that the whole episode just stinks.
Joe
Last game, Sasaki was lynched pretty decisively while he was sitting director.
He requested that he die being run over by a bandwagon. :laugh4:
LoL, I'm sorry to have missed that. :laugh4: (no offense, Sasaki.
OK then, using ajaxfetish's brilliant summary of what (little) we know about mafia families in post 1781 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1834368&postcount=1781),
select: JimBob
vote: Andres
the fewer killers running around, the better for us all, and I strongly suspect he (Andres) is behind the mafia clan-meeting - something that can't be good for the town.
And I'd give Louis another day or 2 to live for the important info he's provided. OK, call me a 'bleeding heart', but the only folks who really hate him now are the mafiosi he's betrayed. His mistake was playing too many sides against the middle, IMO, so got caught earlier than he expected. In my country, he'd be in the Witness Protection Program, not on death row.
I'll add-in a capo-tally, when I find an accurate previous one to update.
And I'd give Louis another day or 2 to live for the important info he's provided. OK, call me a 'bleeding heart', but the only folks who really hate him now are the mafiosi he's betrayed. His mistake was playing too many sides against the middle, IMO, so got caught earlier than he expected. In my country, he'd be in the Witness Protection Program, not on death row.
Maybe, Maybe Not. He might be accused of withholding information too given that He was trying to hide Andres. There is suspicion that he is a made gangster and the parallel is betraying some criminals to move into their territory. My vote to lynch him stands.
Joe
I´m in favor of the idea of a multi lynch today because we have more than enough suspects. It requires the cooperation of Louis, but I see no reason why he wouldn´t approve the lynching of three guys who have sworn revenge to him. Though I agree that Louis isn´t trustworthy in other aspects.
Louis, what´s your case against Sasaki? And don´t tell me that you don´t want to compromise your ongoing investigations. It´s obvious that no mafia don with half a brain would share his secrets with you now.
Anyway I recommend the town to create a tie between Andres and Dutch_guy. Removing two mafiosi is worth more than Louis´ head right now.
unvote: abstain
vote: Dutch_guy
Tally, for my own safety in a separate posting:
Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 4 (LtPinard, Signurd, Rythmic, KukirKhan)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 11 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 3 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Vote:Andres - he seems more of a risk than Louis who as everyone said no-one will trust now anyway. Am also unsure if the offer for the revealed family to leave the game was that genuine, and not just a ploy to get us to forget about them.
Note I am not proposing aiming for that as a double lynch - I think double lynch would be seriously bad idea as Louis looks untrustworthy enough to think of some dubious excuse to let everyone off!
Select:JimBob - not 100% sure about anyone yet but he looks one of the most convincingly pro-town roles
will put tally in next post to avoid editing
Capo Tally - post 1840
Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, Husar, TinCow,NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres,shlin28)
Andres: 5 (LtPinard, Signurd, Rythmic, KukirKhan, Mak)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish,NN LtPinard,shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
Tincow: 3 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Fixed tally to re-included Craterus who got lost somewhere!
Also CAIUS you need to confirm what your vote is in sorting out the select/vote mess you said vote:Abstain, but you're still down as vote:Prole - which you probably meant....
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 10:50
I CAN NOT BE A MADE. PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE.Why was I offered the ability to promote you then Louis? I must remind you that I accepted the promotion, and Seamus did not inform me that the elevation in status had failed in any way.
I'm positive this is all part of your epic master plan. When GH was attacked by a single fellow, at first I presumed the man to be Andres, but after receiving the promotion offer I realised that you must have been behind it.
For a weird reason you didn't want to kill GH, but you attacked him regardless - understanding that you alone wouldn't be able to kill him. You knew I wouldn't reveal a thing to you until you were a Made (and you wouldn't be able to take my Don position till then), so tried to make the promotion process as rapid as possible.
You also knew that if the current situation arose you would be able to claim that you took no part in that kill so could not possibly be a Made.
This was a very well thought out plan Louis, but I really do think that you made some key errors and miscalculations. I also did when assessing reasons and ways you may wish to betray us. It's time to pay for your actions against the family and your disloyalty to the town.
Unvote: Louis
Vote: Andres
Well, it's true that he can still kill why we don't know that about Louis, or do we? So far I still think Louis should die before the end of the game, just not now as he may be potentially useful as well.
Also keep in mind that andres was promising to leave the game with dutch_guy but they're still here. :inquisitive:
Tally(sorted by amount of votes + various writing mistakes corrected ~;) ):
Lynching
LouisVI: 12 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Andres: 6 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 3 (Tran, Caius, W&F)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Well, it's true that he can still kill why we don't know that about Louis, or do we? So far I still think Louis should die before the end of the game, just not now as he may be potentially useful as well.
Also keep in mind that andres was promising to leave the game with dutch_guy but they're still here.
He betrayed his family, so I don't see why he wouldn't betray the town. I honestly don't believe he knows any other families.
He betrayed his family, so I don't see why he wouldn't betray the town. I honestly don't believe he knows any other families.
I said he still has to die later on, most likely, but for now Andres seems like a better lynch. Andres is definitely a made, Louis may be a made, so who is more dangerous for the town going by the info we have?
select: Tincow (he's a lawyer he must be good :P )
vote: Andres
tally:
Lynching
LouisVI: 12 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks)
Andres: 7 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Dutch_guy 1 (Haudegen)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
I said he still has to die later on, most likely, but for now Andres seems like a better lynch. Andres is definitely a made, Louis may be a made, so who is more dangerous for the town going by the info we have?
Omanes said he promoted Louis to a made as well, and I don't see why he would lie at this point. They're about the same danger level to me.
FactionHeir
16/02/08, 12:14
vote: Louis
Does that mean we'll lynch Omanes next as he's a Don?
vote: Louis
Does that mean we'll lynch Omanes next as he's a Don?
Omanes has already been lynched
Omanes said he promoted Louis to a made as well, and I don't see why he would lie at this point. They're about the same danger level to me.
You forget that Omanes was a don, if Louis is really pro-town it would perfectly make sense for Omanes to want him lynched. I know the notion that Louis might actually be pro-town isn't very poular here but we might want to consider it. Andres is definitely not pro-town so I see him as the better candidate for now.
If I could vote it would be Andres. I know he's criminal and guilty by now. Dutch Guy also is criminal.
Louis can be trusted I believe. A rogue detective could be made a made last game... (that I know)
Sasaki turned up innocent in a investigation.
Edit: added DG and the fact that a rogue could become a made. However I think we should thrust him.
Ok, seems that the multi lynch isn´t wanted by most players. Therefore I will
unvote: Dutch_guy
vote: Andres
Vote: Andres
tallies is either this
Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH)
Andres: 9 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Proletariat: 1 (Cauis)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
or this
Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH)
Andres: 9 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 4 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, Caius)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
(Caius' votes)
(Caius' votes)
His last vote was this:
Just to be sure.
I am Selecting:TinCow. Unvote:TinCow Vote:Abstain
Which makes the current tally:
Lynching
LouisVI: 13 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH)
Andres: 9 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 4 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, Caius)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 12 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak)
Sasaki: 5 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
People should start unvoting Louis and start putting their votes where it matters.
Why do you all act like you are Stracchi? Offended like Omanes and his goons. Oh, Louis infiltrated the Stracchi and sacrificed the rest of his game in the same go.
We should pat his back instead of acting like we are outraged and lynch the man who exposed an entire family.
I am wondering... why didn't our vigilante teams at least try to take out Andres/Dutch_guy/Tran ?
My guess is they (the vig teams) have become Corleone.
Have you noticed that there are no 4 man teams in the writeups?
I am afraid that unless the major part of the lurkers start organise themselves and oppose the large mafia that we now face, we will run out of rounds to lynch them all. The town are at a great disadvantage right now.
Oh, Louis infiltrated the Stracchi and sacrificed the rest of his game in the same go.
We should pat his back instead of acting like we are outraged and lynch the man who exposed an entire family.
The problem with the above is that Louis' true intentions were a bit more malicious, as he originally hoped to take the place of the Stracchi Don and have Andres survive as his Made. That, in combination with Louis' convenient failure to submit protection orders which lead to Glenn's death, does make Louis a viable lynch option. And Louis being a Made gangster himself, meaning at least a couple of succesful kills, should be reason enough to hang him anyway:
I assure you there is no lie in the fact that you were a Made when you betrayed us Louis. Seamus offered it to me, I accepted, and I then received nothing which indicated otherwise.
Now you might think a mafia Don's statement to be, as a rule, unreliable. Do take into account that Omanes was dead the moment Louis betrayed the family, his family, and had no reason to lie. I'd even go so far as to say that Omanes' record of telling the truth goes way beyond that of Louis in this game, as he didn't even bother to deny his true identity after Louis betrayal.
Does this mean you're willing to forgive all of that, Sigurd ? That can't be in the good of the town, and I would have thought you'd agree.
:balloon2:
Proletariat
16/02/08, 14:13
Dutch Guy, why are you, Omanes and Andres still posting?
@Stracchi's : Why you attacked Prole last night?
Jubal_Barca
16/02/08, 14:27
Select sasaki
lynch louis
A few notes about Louis.
A. According to the mail in Ichigo's post 1822, 3 kills are needed to become a made. I think I've seen the wise guy mail somewhere in this thread, but can't find it now, but anyone that has it can confirm of deny this.
Omanes certainly is playing on getting Louis killed due to revenge and claiming that he's a made will make it certain.
B. He's an exellent offer on detective investigation, if anything else shows up than guilty on the kills he already claimed, he's something else than what he says he is. Either made (through his red text) or a special role.
That said, his behavior with Andres is still very suspicious. But he's pretty dead in the water for now and we still got more important targets.
Vote:Andres
Select: Jimbob
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 14:52
Dutch Guy, why are you, Omanes and Andres still posting?Seamus won't let Andres and Dutch_guy commit suicide it seems. I'm still posting because I want to be as helpful as possible to the town - with my family virtually dead, there is nobody else to support.
Proletariat
16/02/08, 14:58
For the record, how many kills does Andres and Dutch Guy have now? Anyone know as of N4? Can either of them move up the ranks and fill in for Omanes?
Really sorry for the very short post, I'm in a rush again.
Seems to me the people trying to get Andres before Louis are right, Andres can kill for sure, and doesn't seem to be leaving like he said he would:
Vote:Andres
Select:Abstain
Assuming TinCow's last tally is correct: CapoTally:
Lynching
LouisVI: 14 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca)
Andres: 11 (LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 4 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, Caius)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 13 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 15:05
For the record, how many kills does Andres and Dutch Guy have now? Anyone know as of N4? Can either of them move up the ranks and fill in for Omanes?If Andres wishes to become Don, he requires the approval of Louis - I doubt he'll get that. The same also applies to Louis - he needs permission from Andres. Technically speaking, Louis, Andres and Dutch_guy are on the same team. In practice they are bitterly opposed to each other. Due to this the family is in a way handicapped and without a Don unless an agreement of sorts is reached. This is highly unlikely to occur.
Last tally is correct. I didn't vote anyone for being lynched.
Now I will:
Unovte:Abstain
Vote:Andres
We lynch all the Strachis right now, it seems they arent gonna leave the town.
I feel the need to remind everyone once again that Louis VI is Director. If we hand him a tied lynch vote, he will most certainly remove himself from it, and likely let everyone off just to spite us.
Well, I'm voting Louis for now. Reasons should, by now, hopefully be obvious enough. His loss will be a good thing for the town, and yes I know how ironic that sounds.
The Tally, including Caius' vote.
Lynching
LouisVI: 15 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 12 (,LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, )
Directorial Election
JimBob: 13 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
EDIT: deleted Caius from abstains. Thanks Husar
:balloon2:
I feel the need to remind everyone once again that Louis VI is Director. If we hand him a tied lynch vote, he will most certainly remove himself from it, and likely let everyone off just to spite us.
That's why Andres needs a majority.
@dutch, you forgot to delete caius from Abstains.
Cowhead418
16/02/08, 16:21
Both Louis and Andres need to go ASAP, but a tie vote would do the town no good. It seems that both can kill and are still dangerous, though Andres seems to be the more imminent threat. Therefore, I will Vote: Andres and Select: JimBob
Tally:
Lynching
LouisVI: 15 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 13 (,LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, )
Directorial Election
JimBob: 14 (JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
Louis : 1 (Louis )
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Louis VI the Fat
16/02/08, 16:37
Ah, I was beginning to wonder if everybody around here is mafia. But at last it seems that some townies are still alive and paying attention.
How, people, do you think a wiseguy infiltrant operates? Of course you need to go killing and writing suspicious stuff. None of you ever watch Jack Bauer or anything? Yes, I lied. Lots. Can't bake an omelette without breaking an egg, eh?
Once again, what have all these other wiseguys and mafiosi posing as wiseguys to show for their efforts? Very little to nothing at all. Yet, you bandwagon Louis because, 'well...uh...he dealt with mafia and stuff and...uh...there are lots of things I don't understand...and..and...uh...dead dons he brought before justice say he got to die and stuff....':dunce:
In my country, Louis would be in the Witness Protection Program, not on death row.
Some people are waking up! :yes:
Here is my wiseguy role-pm. It takes three kills to become made. I made two, n1 and n3, and couldn't go out killing again, so the family had to be outed before last night:
WiseGuy
Victory Conditions.
You can chart your own course to victory. You can join a mafia family and work for that family’s victory. You can join a mafia family, try to supplant the Don and become Capo de Tutti Capi yourself. You can form your own Criminal family and try to dominate the others. You can even put crime behind you, change roles, and work for the victory of the town over the mafia. What route you choose is up to you.
Powers and Limitations
A. General
1. You are the raw material for expanding a crime family. Remember that if they are unable to recruit you to their cause, you probably become very “expendable” in their eyes.
2. Teh Red.
B. Day Actions
1. You may vote/select as any other townie.
C. Night Actions
1. Combine with 3 townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, one of them will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there). Such kills only count as “half-credit” for your ascension to Made Gangster (unaffiliated).
2. Combine with 2 townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there; if you do you’ll cease being a Wise Guy.
3. If following two successful protections you are selected as Doctor and refuse, you can choose to become a regular townie. Two further successful protections will result in your promotion to Detective – but in your case you will become a Rogue Detective similar to that occurring in Capo-I.
4. One advantage you have over a townie, while participating in such townie groups, is that should you end up as a “solo” on a save or kill attempt, it is unlikely to get you killed – though there is a chance your identity would be revealed.
5. Combine with 2 other Wise Guys you can attempt to kill one target per night (after three successful kills, one of you (random) will become a “Made Gangster (Unaffiliated)” and can progress from there).
6. Combine with 1 other Wise Guy or Made under the aegis of a Family and you can perform one killing per night (after three successful kills, and with the permission of the family Don, you will become a “Made Gangster” and can progress from there).
D. Investigations
It is probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “criminal,” though about one in five Wise Guys will register as “Unclear.” You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a non-family-sanctioned killing or a family-sanctioned killing on the night of that killing.
Role Changing
As noted above, you have many options for a role change and can progress readily in that new role. Remember, once you have chosen a path by moving forward into a new role, however, you cannot reconsider and revert.
Again, a wiseguy can choose his path. Mafia or town. It is quite amazing what a creative pro-town wiseguy can achieve.
Can a wiseguy, who's killed once, or twice, but isn't a made yet, become a townie still by succesfull protections?
Yes, but not a DoctorI even double-checked.
For a weird reason you didn't want to kill GH, but you attacked him regardless - understanding that you alone wouldn't be able to kill him.Come on, at least spread convincing disinformation. Either I did kill GH, in which case I would be a made. Or I didn't, in which case I am not a made. I must assure you though that GH is alive and kicking, and that, ergo, I am not a made.
Maybe, that 'weird reason', which took me a lot of PM's and excuses to your family, was in fact that I did not want to rake up the kills, so I could stay town? :smash:
Oh, and in case you are still wondering: those prodding PM's you send me after the failed attack on GH betrayed you as the don to me. Wasn't all that hard to figure out either. Andres confirmed it to me after I blatantly told him you were the don. Then, the next day, after the 'botched' protection of Glenn, I used the pressure on me in the thread to convince Andres to give me the name of the luca as well, so I could properly defend myself. I reminded him that I had already known the name of the don for more than a day, and that if I wanted to betray the family I could've done so already by naming the don. Andres succumbed. Then I outed the family.
So, in the end, it was your prodding PM to me after I had not send in my orders to kill GH that brought the family down. ~;)
With you, Dutch and Tran already out in the open, I had hoped to use Andres a bit longer. Alas, he had enough it seems. :sweatdrop:
Well, I'm voting Louis for now. Reasons should, by now, hopefully be obvious enough.The reasons are obvious enough indeed. However, if I were a townie, I would vote the mafiosi. And not vote along with the self-confessing mafiosi to lynch the person who outed them.
Again, I will express my amazement at this town. Mafiosi can walk up the stage. Openly declare themselves mafia. Tell the town that their family was betrayed. That this is simply not on and an outrage. And that the town should lynch these uppity mafia-hunters immediately.
It's time to pay for your actions against the family I know. But I am simply stunned that the town seems to agree with it.
I'm still posting because I want to be as helpful as possible to the town Sure you are.
Let me help the townies though: whatever you do, do not supply the town with mafia names. Your townies will hang you for it. Just sit back real quiet and wait for the mafia to take you out one by one. Under no circumstance, go hunting for mafiosi in any aggressive manner.
Gah! Wimps, this town. :shame:
You all know what to do. There is a clear choice. Kill off a mafia family. Or kill the guy who presented them on a silver platter.
You choose.
How about a triple lynch of confessing mafiosi Dutch_Guy, Andres and Tran? I am quite sure some concerned mafiosi will kill me off coming night anyway, so there is no need for the town to do all the hard work for the mafia...
Louis VI the Fat
16/02/08, 16:40
Leet Eriksson.
Last night, you failed to show up for your protection group. Again. Once is an accident. Twice is deliberate.
The first time you did not show up, it cost us Glenn. He was killed by the Don Corleone balloon mafia.
Last night, you did not show up again. And again, this person was attacked by the Don Corleone buffoon mafia, though doubly-protected just to be sure.
Investigations show you as innocent. Are you the don? Are you Don Corleone himself?
Before I forget:
Select: JimBob
Lynching
LouisVI: 15 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 13 (,LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, )
Directorial Election
JimBob: 15 (Louis, JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 16:55
:rolleyes:
Come on Louis - I had the opportunity to promote you to Made and I took it. I know this doesn't tie in completely with the rules, but I was, simple as that - Seamus didn't tell me otherwise, so I have no reason to doubt that you are currently at Made status.
So you are saying you tricked Andres into telling you the Luca's identity? He would have mentioned it if you had, and wouldn't have simply let us think you were still ignorant to it all. I told you everything, and thirteen hours later you revealed it publicly. Andres probably can confirm this.
Really, from the side of somebody who has seen the entire event unfold, your responses are extremely laughable.
Here is my wiseguy role-pm.
Hey, that one looks exactly like the one I posted :inquisitive:
Come on, at least spread convincing disinformation. Either I did kill GH, in which case I would be a made. Or I didn't, in which case I am not a made. I must assure you though that GH is alive and kicking, and that, ergo, I am not a made.
Some can become a Made faster then others. And that's all I am allowed to say. Smart townies and mafiosi will draw their own conclusions.
With you, Dutch and Tran already out in the open, I had hoped to use Andres a bit longer. Alas, he had enough it seems. :sweatdrop:
I respected Don Omanes. I was not willing to serve the treacherous Don Louis...
@Prole: you were attacked by the Stracci family, so it seems. D_G and me sent in a nice story in which we left the town with Omanes' ring, to bring it to his son, the new Don. Pretty much like Seamus wrote you and Reenk out of the story in Capo I. Alas, writing out you and Reenk fitted the story, because it was also the end of the game. He refused to let us leave like that, in mid-game. Draw your own conclusions.
Proletariat
16/02/08, 16:59
Your family may not be able to suicide, but can we get a clarification from Seamus on whether or not the Stracchis are allowed to put a sock in it?
Like Kukri said, if this was Amurika, Louis would be living anonymously in a Reno suburb playing the slot machines all day with tax payer money while his FBI detail fetches him cigarettes and booze.
woad&fangs
16/02/08, 17:01
unvote: present ; Vote: Andres
Lynching
LouisVI: 15 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 14 (,LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius, Cowhead418, Woad&fangs)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 3 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly, Craterus, )
Directorial Election
JimBob: 15 (Louis, JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Andres is definately a made
Louis is at worst a made that no one trusts and at best a wiseguy that handed us an entire family. The choice seems pretty clear to me for this round.
Ok, as the remaining Stracchi members aren't suiciding (for whatever reason), they might try to salvage something from the game. So:
unvote: abstain, vote: Andres
Lynching
LouisVI: 15 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 15 (Craterus, LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius, Cowhead418, Woad&fangs)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 15 (Louis, JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Sasaki Kojiro
16/02/08, 17:09
Well I'm not going to leave it a tie unvote:louis, Vote:Andres
Remember yesterday louis didn't want to lynch any of the stracchi's because they "were no longer any threat".
Select : Andres
The only one I can trust at the moment.
EDIT: why are we not lynching BKS? He is clearly suspicious imo.
:rolleyes:
Come on Louis - I had the opportunity to promote you to Made and I took it. I know this doesn't tie in completely with the rules, but I was, Simple as that - Seamus didn't tell me otherwise, so I have no reason to doubt that you are currently at Made status.
Well, you presume that Seamus tells one player (you) the content of another player´s (Louis) private actions? Where in the rules is written that the host has to inform the don about a refused promotion? I guess there is no explicit rule, but ambiguity is the spirit of this game, eh? Therefore I think there is a chance that Louis wasn´t promoted.
Perhaps Seamus can shed some light on this? Or, on the other hand: Seamus don´t answer that. Let the Dons get paranoid with their recruits :beam:
PS: Louis´ selection is invalid, he didn´t sack his earlier selection.
Proletariat
16/02/08, 17:28
:laugh4:
Vote: Andres
Select: JimBob
Lynching
LouisVI: 14 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 17 (Craterus, LtPinard, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius, Cowhead418, Woad&fangs, Prole, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 15 (Louis, JimBob, Haudegen, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Andres: 1 (Andres)
Leet Eriksson.
Last night, you failed to show up for your protection group. Again. Once is an accident. Twice is deliberate.
The first time you did not show up, it cost us Glenn. He was killed by the Don Corleone balloon mafia.
Last night, you did not show up again. And again, this person was attacked by the Don Corleone buffoon mafia, though doubly-protected just to be sure.
Investigations show you as innocent. Are you the don? Are you Don Corleone himself?
Before I forget:
Select: JimBob
May I ask what time you got him in the protection group? Because he said in a pm to me you didn't contact him last night (22:00 GMT). So if you pmed him before then... Leet lied :laugh4:
Vote: Andres
Select: JimBob
Lynching
LouisVI: 14 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 18 (Craterus, LtPinard, Hiji, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius, Cowhead418, Woad&fangs, Prole, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 16 (Louis, JimBob, Haudegen,Hiji, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Andres: 1 (Andres)
Well, it seems like the Stracci's are done for.
Omanes has chosen to play pro-town.
I want the mafia to take over you petty townspeople.
Mafia Dons, you can use me as your coordination/organisation center. My pm box is open. I'll act as a neutral pro-mafia player trying to help where I can. You can also use me to bring over messages, to arrange deals between two families and for diplomatic purposes. I have absolutely no interest in betraying or backstabbing any of the families, so your identities are safe with me.
If you have important messages to send and you need to be 100 % sure nobody catches you sending them or me reading them (some of the participants in this game can see through invisible mode), Don Corleone (aka Don Capi) knows how to reach me ~;)
Good luck mafiosi :2thumbsup:
EDIT : Seamus, if this would not be allowed, please drop me a pm.
I dont see the point of throwing suspiction to BKS, Andres.
Caeser The III
16/02/08, 18:37
sorry u havent been very active guy, very busy lately
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 18:42
I dont see the point of throwing suspiction to BKS, Andres.As you can see from Louis' opening up of our private area, we originally thought BKS to be a wise guy. I'm not quite sure who Andres' source was, but it may be possible that this information could indicate that he could possibly be a Made or a Luca.
Louis VI the Fat
16/02/08, 18:49
I can not be a made. *Sigh*
It's right there Seamus' rules thread, under 'roles': A Wiseguy becomes a “Made gangster” after having participating in 3 killings for a family
There is absiolutely no way that I can have made these three kills. Only LordWinter died on n2. He was not killed by the Stracchi's. You can check the write-ups.
I am not even going to bother replying to every allegation from the living Stracchi members. Firstly, their statements all contradict each other. Much more importantly: they lied they were going to commit suicide. Apparantly, they did not. Kill them now before they re-group or join up with other families for a killing spree tonight.
Remember yesterday louis didn't want to lynch any of the stracchi's because they "were no longer any threat".I did indeed.
a) There were other more imminent threats than a family who was already outed. This family was for all practical purposes dead, so stopping other families might've been beter, I felt.
b) I had hoped the other families might take out some Stracchi's last night. You know, following the mafia logic that they are either with their own family or have joined up with others and are hence a threat. :idea2:
This is what happens in normal games. Apparently though, there really is some sort of a truce between the families.
PS: Louis´ selection is invalid, he didn´t sack his earlier selection.Oops.
Unselect: Louis.
Select: JimBob.
Lynching
LouisVI: 14 (JimBob, TruePraetorian, Sasaki, ajaxfetish, Ichigo, TinCow, NN, scot, CountArach, Tran, Sarathos, Joe Monks, FH, Jubal_Barca, Dutch)
Andres: 18 (Craterus, LtPinard, Hiji, Sigurd, Rythmic, KukriKhan, Mak, Husar, Elite Ferret, Charge, Haudegen, Ironside, Myrddraal, Caius, Cowhead418, Woad&fangs, Prole, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
xdeathfire: 1 (CR)
Abstain: 2 (Kagemusha, LittleGrizzly)
Directorial Election
JimBob: 16 (Louis, JimBob, Haudegen,Hiji, Charge, CR, ajaxfetish, NN, LtPinard, shlin28, Rythmic, Joe Monks, KukriKhan, Mak, Ironside, Cowhead418)
Sasaki: 6 (TinCow, scottishranger, Sasaki, CountArach, Sarathos, Jubal_Barca)
Tincow: 4 (Tran, Caius, W&F, Elite Ferret)
Kagemusha: 1 (Kagemusha)
TruePraetorian: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Husar: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (Ichigo)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
Andres: 1 (Andres)
Much more importantly: they lied they were going to commit suicide. Apparantly, they did not. Kill them now before they re-group or join up with other families for a killing spree tonight.
Oh no! The Stracci family are liars!
Ah, I love the smell of hypocrisy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy) in the evening!
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 19:15
I'm going to repeat myself Louis:
Seamus offered me your promotion, and I accepted it. I was not told otherwise. Why else would I have revealed everything to you? As you can see in the posts you salvaged from our private area, I made it a strict policy to keep as much as possible secret from wise guys - only when they were Mades would everything be revealed to them.
I feel the need to enquire - why do you somehow think you were an exception to my secrecy policy? Technically speaking you are a Made Stracchi and there is no way of denying it.
woad&fangs
16/02/08, 19:22
Yes, let's all believe the Don of the family Louis betrayed. That's not a biased source of information
[/sarcasm]
That being said, louis is still a good lynch candidate in the future.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 19:24
Yes, let's all believe the Don of the family Louis betrayed. That's not a biased source of information
[/sarcasm]Yes I may be bias, but I'm being completely truthful as I have been throughout this game - even when I was a living Don, I didn't formulate a single lie, and everything I said was completely honest. I was only selective in what I told you.
Sasaki Kojiro
16/02/08, 19:28
I can not be a made. *Sigh*
It's right there Seamus' rules thread, under 'roles': A Wiseguy becomes a “Made gangster” after having participating in 3 killings for a family
There is absiolutely no way that I can have made these three kills. Only LordWinter died on n2. He was not killed by the Stracchi's. You can check the write-ups.
On the other hand, the private messages from Omanes indicate that he was under no conditions going to reveal himself to you unless you became a made. He also claimed on the private board that you had been promoted by Seamus. I find it more believable that there is a loophole in the rules (such as the previously unexplained one that allows dons to live thorugh one attack attempt) than that Omanes would change his mind on this and then lie about why in private.
GeneralHankerchief
16/02/08, 19:29
I'm going to repeat myself Louis:
Seamus offered me your promotion, and I accepted it. I was not told otherwise. Why else would I have revealed everything to you? As you can see in the posts you salvaged from our private area, I made it a strict policy to keep as much as possible secret from wise guys - only when they were Mades would everything be revealed to them.
I feel the need to enquire - why do you somehow think you were an exception to my secrecy policy? Technically speaking you are a Made Stracchi and there is no way of denying it.
What happened to the big bold text and the "that felt good" at the bottom?
I was all ready to post this picture of Emperor Palpatine with a caption of "Let the hate flow through you!" :cry:
Andres, you actually want to be the bad guy, eh? I'm sorry I couldn't do it here, hopefully I'll get a chance to lynch you in Capo III. :furious3:
Besides, Dutch and I sent the description of our suicde to Seamus, which was refused.
The second attempt on Prole was done by somebody with an Asian face and his accomplice used the phrase "Sayonara Fatlington"...
If it wasn't me or Dutch, then who was responsible for this obvious Stracci murder attempt, eh?
Seamus Fermanagh
16/02/08, 20:29
Day 5 voting and selection is concluded. I will post the summary as soon as possible with my schedule.
Nighttime PMs may begin. These must be turned in to me by 2200 17 Feb 08 (that's GMT 0300 on the 18th). Again, I will turn this around as soon as possible but the 18th is both a holiday and my birthday. Hosting drunk is likely to be a poor choice, so I may slow my response a bit. Be patient.
If it wasn't me or Dutch, then who was responsible for this obvious Stracci murder attempt, eh?
I'm taking a guess, but maybe your wannabe-made Tran or Ichigo or anyone else you're keeping under wraps who planned to join your family. And that's only if we can believe you anyway.
And then there are still four other families left who can happily watch as the town struggles to take even the Stracchis apart.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 21:31
What happened to the big bold text and the "that felt good" at the bottom?
I was all ready to post this picture of Emperor Palpatine with a caption of "Let the hate flow through you!" :cry:I'm quick on the edit button ~;)
Louis VI the Fat
16/02/08, 21:34
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
All you sukka's fell for it and I shall now order my mighty family to take you all out and
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
*** abuses moderator powers to edit all posts and change them to Vote : Louis ***
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
All you sukka's fell for it and I shall now order my mighty family to take you all out and
:vulcan:
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
All you sukka's fell for it and I shall now order my mighty family to take you all out and
TRAITOR!
Guess you got a bunch of wise guys to join you?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 22:32
It was Seamus' mistake apparently - he's just told me that Louis wasn't a made after all, and he'd accidentally sent out the PM to me offering the promotion. Louis was not asked whether he approved of the promotion, and he wasn't sent out a Role PM. It turns out I was mistaken without knowing it, and Louis was telling to truth to a certain extent.
In all honesty, all along I was positive that his defence and some of his actions seemed un-mafia like. I just let the "facts" I had at my disposal at the time get in the way of me believing him.
I henceforth apologise to Louis and take back all I said - Louis is probably pro-town, so, if you aren't a mafioso, you may want to let him live. If you are a mafioso, well, I wouldn't mind you performing some form of vengeance on my behalf.
:wall:
It was Seamus' mistake apparently - he's just told me that Louis wasn't a made after all, and he'd accidentally sent out the PM to me offering the promotion. Louis was not asked whether he approved of the promotion, and he wasn't sent out a Role PM. It turns out I was mistaken without knowing it, and Louis was telling to truth to a certain extent.
In all honesty, all along I was positive that his defence seemed un-mafia like. I just let the "facts" get in the way of me believing him.
I henceforth apologise to Louis and take back all I said - Louis is probably pro-town, so, if you aren't a mafioso, you may want to let him live. If you are a mafioso, well, I wouldn't mind you performing some form of vengeance on my behalf.
:wall:
Yes, let Louis live! He's pro-town! Believe us!
Omanes Alexandrapolites
16/02/08, 22:43
Yes, let Louis live! He's pro-town! Believe us!I'm just as unhappy about Louis' betrayal as you are, but I feel the need to reveal the facts and nothing but the facts now. Louis may have betrayed us, but I've in all essentials turned straight - there is no reason beyond revenge to keep the town in the dark. Besides, it may increase their trust in me, hopefully allowing me to be a little more useful in the obliteration of the other mafia families.
I'm just as unhappy about Louis' betrayal as you are, but I feel the need to reveal the facts and nothing but the facts now. Louis may have betrayed us, but I've in all essentials turned straight - there is no reason beyond revenge to keep the town in the dark. Besides, it may increase their trust in me, hopefully allowing me to be a little more useful in the obliteration of the other mafia families.
Too much lurkers not really participating. Town deserves to lose :no:
Regardless, Louis is still untrustworthy. Do not forget that he is personally responsible for Glenn's death and he lied to cover it up. I guarantee you that if Louis had just told Husar and I that he hadn't sent his Orders in, we would've been irked, but we would've moved on without attacking him. It is Louis' constant lying that makes him untrustworthy. He needs to be lynched as soon as we can arrange it, whether solo or part of a multi, it doesn't matter. No townie group will trust him. No mafia group will trust him. Let's dispose of whem whenever it becomes convenient.
Seamus Fermanagh
16/02/08, 23:41
This is main thread post #
“I can feel no sense of measure
No illusions as we take
Refuge in young man's pleasure
Breaking down the dreams we make
Real
Ah leave it
Ah leave it
Goodbye goodbye goodbye bad
Hello hello heaven
Goodbye goodbye goodbye bad
Hello hello heaven
One down one to go
Another town and one more show”
--Squire/Rabin/Horne
Sunset, Day Five
All of these meetings seemed fractious now. Arguments would rage back and forth, accusations and dismissals were flung about with abandon. In the end, it always came down to a vote…
"Andres do you have any last words?" Louis VI the Fat asked.
"Indeed I do! Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you the star of tonight:
The Stracci family's most talented singer:
Andres!"
:applause: :applause: :applause:
"Thank you, thank you! I have another song ready for you, my favourite audience."
:applause: :applause: :applause:
"I like that enthousiasm! Kudos to Vaya con Dios for the original version of this wonderful song (http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=tgUyDhwDFdU). Ladies an gentlemen, may I have your attention for "Stracci, don't cry for Louis."
:cheerleader: :belly: :thrasher: :singer: :belly: :drummer: :belly: :music:
He gave up all my friends
My friends from out of town
Bought himself what he wanted
Yes he let us down
When he saw me crying
He said I was a wuss
When my heart was bleeding
He turned around and laughed
Stracci's don't cry for Louis
Louis wouldn't cry for you
When you walk the streets for Louis
You better watch out for what Louis tells you
I met Louis on a hazy morning
When the bars where closing down
He said Andres I really like your family
You and I we'll burn this town
This traitor, sir, mislead me
Hurt me in my pride
Who are you to judge me?
Who are you to take his side?
He cheated on me mister
Told me nothing but lies
I just had to teach him
Not to overstep the line
Stracci don't cry for Louis
He wouldn't waste a tear on you
When you walk the streets for Louis
You ain't walking down no avenue
I met Louis on an early morning
In a sleazy part of town
I was tipsy and feeling kind'a lonely
Louis offered me his arm
He said: you and I we'll burn this town
He said: you and I we'll burn this town
:bow:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, thank you
:bow:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
You're a fantastic audience!
:bow:
:applause: :applause: :applause:
Thank you so much! Thank y...
*BANG*:skull:
Andres fell down, a bullet in his head marking the end to his musical extravaganza with a .38 caliber grace note. Muldoon seemed happy to oblige Louis again, but the Committee was surprisingly dismayed by the sudden end to the entertainment. Some even shouted their dismay!
"Enough of this! What's wrong with you townspeople? This was a dirty mafia scumbag, yet you all love him?"
Louis rolled his eyes in disgust.
"I handed you the Stracchis on a platter and you barely vote for their lead killer over me? You are NOT getting it people. Wake up!"
"Here, maybe you can knock some sense into them," said Louis, handing the gavel to JimBob.
"Kill him!" several in the crowd yelled, "Kill the director!"
"Fools!" the director yelled at them. "Idiots! He was a natural born killer! A danger for this town! Gah! How could you still even have considered to let him live?"
The cursing director had to be escorted by his bodyguards to a safe spot, the charged up and semi-irrational crowd still yelling and screaming for his blood and arguing over who would be lynched next.
It would clearly be another restful night...
...not.
OOC
As noted, night PM deadline is 2200 EST 17 Feb 08. I’ll keep as up to schedule as I can.
Tallies:
Lynch Vote:
Andres = 18 (Caius, Charge, Cowhead, Craterus, Elite, Haudegen, Hiji, Husae, Ironside, Kukrikhan, Pinard. Makanyane, Myrddraal, Proletariat, Rythmic, Sasaki, Sigurd, woad&).
Louis VI = 14 (Ajax, Arach, Dutch, Faction, Ichigo, Jimbob, Joe, Jubal, Northnovas, Sarathos, Scottish, TinCow, Tran, True).
Abstain = 2 (Grizzly, Kagemusha)
Sasaki = 2 (Andres, Shlin)
Xdeathfire = 1 (Rabbit).
Director Selection:
JimBob = 17 (Ajax, Charge, Cowhead, Rabbit, Haudegen. Hiji, Ironside, JimBob, Joe, Kukrikhan, Louis, Pinard, Makanyane, North, Proletariat, Rythmic, Shlin).
Sasaki = 6 (Arach, Jubal, Sarathos, Sasaki, Scottish, TinCow).
TinCow = 4 (woad&, Tran, elite, Caius).
Several other self-selections were made.
Crazed Rabbit
17/02/08, 00:30
The town needs to take action in the night.
I suggest xdeathfire and tran as targets.
Dutch_guy can be ignored for tonight, with our limited resources. His Don and partner have been killed, and his Don says he is helping the town. I don't think he is the most immediate threat.
CR
Crazed Rabbit, are you mafia?
Crazed Rabbit
17/02/08, 00:34
:inquisitive:
Are you trying to bring out 'the truth'?
In any case - no.
CR
An ambiguous answer. I say Crazed Rabbit is the lynch for tomorrow :hanged:
Start writing your own lynch description :whip:
Crazed Rabbit
17/02/08, 00:58
Oh, that's hilarious.
:beam:
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
17/02/08, 01:37
New detective result
KukriKhan:Criminal
An interesting outcome, so most likely a member of a no-kill mafia family, unless Seamus decided to make most people wise-guys. And 1 result indicates your source is a Made.
Louis VI the Fat
17/02/08, 02:34
New detective result
KukriKhan:CriminalWhen did you get this result and why do you post it now?
New detective result
KukriKhan:Criminal
Untrue.
Especially since I was on the two (successful) protection crews you organized the past two nights.
Maybe you ought to double-check your source, who's given you an alleged investigation result a full 16 hours after the end of the last night phase - no offense (I know you're an experienced mafia player) but you might be being played.
Unless you're playing fast and loose with the truth.. And the two protected players are part of your 'real' mafia team, and you attempt a distraction here?
Or, to be fair, it could be that 1 in 6-8 townie thingee Seamus put in the rules
A townie has no special abilities – at least at the start. Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence.
New detective result
KukriKhan:Criminal
Sasaki, if you are telling the truth and you either are the detective or are posting for the dectective, you are going to have mafia all over you.
Bad move. :bomb:
Im starting to think that Sasaki is playing with us, or someone is playing with Sasaki, who is spreading bad results thanks to whoever is playing with him.
:birthday2::balloon2: :balloon2: Happy Birthday Seamus!!:balloon2: :balloon2: :birthday2:
I'm starting to think that Sasaki is playing with us,
He always does. Never forget to lynch him before the end, because you may have been deceived all along :P
I don't know, are mafia now grouping together, or the opposite? If it's the first case, you're doomed anyway. If it's the second, sasaki probably has no reason to lie, so keep lynching obvious mafiosi/bad wise guys/other scum. you might accidentally come close to a victory if mafiosi start killing each other. :book:
edit: it's Seamus' birthday?
Congrats! Make it a nice day! And, I haven't even said before: thanks a lot for all the effort in hosting such a large game. That's really cool. :bow:
CountArach
17/02/08, 05:40
Happy Birthday Seamus!
ajaxfetish
17/02/08, 06:05
Congratulations on one more successful year avoiding the icy cold hand of death. May the mafiosi of Fatlington be less fortunate in their endeavors to do so. And may I add my thanks for the time and creative energy you put into this. I'm having a great time ~:).
Ajax
Crazed Rabbit
17/02/08, 06:42
Many happy congratulations Seamus! And thank you for a wonderful game, as always.
Crazed Rabbit
Well looking at the birthday thing, Seamus's birthday isn't until the 18th ~:D
Omanes Alexandrapolites
17/02/08, 08:32
Is it just me, or did KukriKhaan's defence sound a little "mafia" like - too many rhetorical questions in his speech, parts of the post emphasised e.c.t.
Also, if Sasaki is telling the truth about his source, supposedly a Made, KukriKhaan has just shot himself in the foot. Townies which are supposed to turn up randomly "Criminal" in detective results turn out "Unclear" in results from a Made. This makes it nigh impossible for him to be the humble innocent he claims to be.
On another note, Happy Birthday Seamus :party:
Party for Seamus!!!!!
:happybirthday3: :cake: :cake: :cake: :happybirthday3:
:birthday2: :birthday2: :birthday2: :birthday2:
I don't believe this.
Sasaki is innocent after investigation. He claims to be a townie who is in contact with a Made who is happily forwaring his investigation results to Sasaki :no:
Now, I might be mafia and scum and all of that, but please, at least do a bit of effort. Innocent after investigation - contact with a Made gangster who helps him? Hello! Anybody home? Nobody ever thought of the option Don Sasaki?
:wall:
OOC: Hey, let poor old Seamus enjoy his current age for one more day, it's not his birthday yet, that's tomorrow ~:cheers:
Come now Andres, that's pretty far fetched. All the information we have on Sasaki has been volunteered by himself, and you try to patch this together to claim he's a don?
All this coming from a confirmed pro-mafia player, during an apparent period of truce between the mafia families?
:laugh4:
I don't believe a word from you or Omanes. It seems to me you're trying to be a good-guy, bad-guy pair, just to confuse the town.
RIP dead mafioso, nobody is listening.
All the information we have on Sasaki has been volunteered by himself[...]
And that makes it more believable, how exactly? :inquisitive:
Voting concluded! I'm still alive! :jumping:
All you sukka's fell for it and I shall now order my mighty family to take you all out and
What does this mean? Is he pro/against town? or is it just a sick joke? :embarassed:
What does this mean? Is he pro/against town? or is it just a sick joke? :embarassed:
Louis is definitely pro-town. Rest assured. You have my word on it :bow:
Go kill/lynch some real scum, like Myrddraal or Husar.
Rectification : by posting the chatlog in which Zorg revealed his plans and role after dead, pevergreen did not break the letter of the rules spelled out for Capo.
My apologies to pevergreen for any inconvenience caused :bow:
Hmm I don't quite see any way I'm living through the night with all the vig. groups out there, so I'm going to have to offer something for anyone willing to get me through the night. Not everyone here is a townie, so I'm sure this 'll sound good for anyone who has plans of his own.
Okay. I'm offering the individual, or group of people, who will protect me tonight my Luca role PM. You PM me with your intent, and I shall send the PM when I live through the night. That's the deal.
For those interested, I expect a PM.
:balloon2:
And that makes it more believable, how exactly? :inquisitive:
Exactly Husar, which is why it's incredible that Andres expects us to believe him.
He claims to have figured out that Sasaki is a Don, using evidence Sasaki provided, all whilst being a confirmed anti-town mafia, during an apparent mafia truce (a time in which any confirmed mafia would certainly not want to reveal the identity of another family's don).
I make no judgment on Sasaki in my last post, but Andres really should 'rest in peace' and stop throwing in empty posts to waste town time.
But there is no truce from beginning, and that Corleone's offer, Tataglia only responded so far.....
Stracchi's themselves tryed to exterminate mafia instead of town first...
Sasaki indeed looks like don :evilgrin: (I need protection now) but how he can be don with random role-assigning again? :inquisitive: Unless it was not very random after all...
But there is no truce from beginning, and that Corleone's offer, Tataglia only responded so far.....
Stracchi's themselves tryed to exterminate mafia instead of town first...
How exactly do you know this ?
:balloon2:
Hmm I don't quite see any way I'm living through the night with all the vig. groups out there, so I'm going to have to offer something for anyone willing to get me through the night. Not everyone here is a townie, so I'm sure this 'll sound good for anyone who has plans of his own.
Okay. I'm offering the individual, or group of people, who will protect me tonight my Luca role PM. You PM me with your intent, and I shall send the PM when I live through the night. That's the deal.
For those interested, I expect a PM.
:balloon2:
And what do you expect to gain if you survive the night?
And who knows what the role pm is worth?
You might insert some small errors, so that any mafioso could recognize it as fake.
How do you know that Charge?
How can you possibly know who contacted Don Corleone?
Exactly Husar, which is why it's incredible that Andres expects us to believe him.
He claims to have figured out that Sasaki is a Don, using evidence Sasaki provided, all whilst being a confirmed anti-town mafia, during an apparent mafia truce (a time in which any confirmed mafia would certainly not want to reveal the identity of another family's don).
I make no judgment on Sasaki in my last post, but Andres really should 'rest in peace' and stop throwing in empty posts to waste town time.
Well, Myrddraal, first of all, the theory I posted about Sasaki, namely that he might be a Don, is only speculation. But it is a possibility. Regardless of my allegiance or interests in this game, I wasn't talking plain nonsense.
Why are you diverting attention away from Sasaki? Yes, I'm evil, yes I will be lying and deceiving in this thread, but not keeping all options and possibilities open would be a mistake, wouldn't it?
Allow me to express my amazement at the fact that absolutely nobody is questioning Sasaki, let alone is putting some pressure on him to make him reveal his mafia contact.
Louis revealed the Stracci's when he wasn't supposed to do so :brood:
Why isn't Sasaki doing the same?
Like I said, I make no judgment of Sasaki here. You are scum, and by that measure alone anyone you target is unlikely to be mafia.
Or you might target mafia to take attention away from them (double bluffing or whatever). Whatever the case, your posts are worthless to the town.
Sorry Andres, but it's the truth.
Whatever the case, your posts are worthless to the town.
But they do make you think about all possibilities, don't they?
What to do now: to trust Sasaki or not to trust Sasaki?
Who would be his mafia contact?
What to make of the fact that Andres does not accuse Charge after his...
But there is no truce from beginning, and that Corleone's offer, Tataglia only responded so far.....
Stracchi's themselves tryed to exterminate mafia instead of town first...
silly mistake.
:devil:
:inquisitive:
But I'll shut up for the remainder of this night.
How do you know that Charge?
How can you possibly know who contacted Don Corleone?
Errr..? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1833142&postcount=1675)
maybe I'm Don Corleone myself ? :laugh4:
3 days went after that post though, if other dons thought about it later..
Stracchis' attention in 'removing' mafiosos was mentioned in their hideout so kindly posted by Louis :bow:
Like I said, I make no judgment of Sasaki here. You are scum, and by that measure alone anyone you target is unlikely to be mafia.Mafiosi are interested in town as much as in other mafiosi in this game. Besides fact that Sasaki 'plain townie' is using a made gangster officially is just nonsense ...
edit: sp
scottishranger
17/02/08, 20:38
I dont think Sasaki is a Don considering he participated in a protection group with me last night...(Unless Dons can do that too...)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
17/02/08, 20:48
I dont think Sasaki is a Don considering he participated in a protection group with me last night...(Unless Dons can do that too...)Dons can participate in protection groups. They do not, however, have any protection value.
e.g. a group with two townies and a Don would would in effect count as only two players protecting the target rather than three.
I dont think Sasaki is a Don considering he participated in a protection group with me last night...(Unless Dons can do that too...)
I agree. Sasaki has been doing a lot of organizing protection groups. But is it all just to protect his mafia bubbies?
Sasaki Kojiro
18/02/08, 00:33
Is it just me, or did KukriKhaan's defence sound a little "mafia" like - too many rhetorical questions in his speech, parts of the post emphasised e.c.t.
Also, if Sasaki is telling the truth about his source, supposedly a Made, KukriKhaan has just shot himself in the foot. Townies which are supposed to turn up randomly "Criminal" in detective results turn out "Unclear" in results from a Made. This makes it nigh impossible for him to be the humble innocent he claims to be.
On another note, Happy Birthday Seamus :party:
Doesn't look good for kukri. He's certainly not being truthful.
I agree. Sasaki has been doing a lot of organizing protection groups. But is it all just to protect his mafia bubbies?
You were in the tran group. You think tran was my mafia buddy? That's impossible...
You were in the tran group. You think tran was my mafia buddy? That's impossible...
How is he being mafia impossible?
TruePraetorian
18/02/08, 02:14
Omanes, im confused...you are a dead Don right?
Omanes, im confused...you are a dead Don right?
Omanes is dead, but Im not sure if he is a Don.
CountArach
18/02/08, 02:33
Night.
Proletariat
18/02/08, 03:20
Doesn't look good for kukri. He's certainly not being truthful.
Elaborate
TruePraetorian
18/02/08, 04:59
Omanes is dead, but Im not sure if he is a Don.
Oh. Im confused because I want to figure out why he seems so pro-town..or do all dead people win if the town wins?
Well the town has to win first. And perhaps he isn't a Don, is there any evidence to suggest he is?
TruePraetorian
18/02/08, 06:12
Yeah, I thought we lynched him because Loius said he was Stracchi.
Hey guys,
have you already forgotten that Louis revealed the Stracci´s secret communication?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1834038#post1834038
As far as I know none of the Straccis ever attempted to claim that it was a fake. Not even Omanes. That said, I´m pretty sure he was Don Stracci.
Seamus Fermanagh
18/02/08, 07:13
Main thread post #1957
…Ashes, ashes
We all fall down.
-- Nursery Rhyme
Night Five Summary
Kamikhaan was as ready for trouble as he could be. He disdained armor in favor of mobility and a good counterpunch. He wasn’t going to load himself down with an armored vest and a car that could be trapped. Instead, he traveled on his motorcycle. He’d been a courier during the war and had shelled out a pretty penny to buy his bike as war surplus when he’d mustered out in ’46. The Harley wasn’t pure Harley anymore, as he’d hand-tooled more than a few parts from old, wrecked Indians to create a bike that was unique – and uniquely powerful. He wasn’t likely to be trapped or caught with this ride. Just in case, he’d also got his .45ACP as surplus and he checked the clip each night.
When the meeting ended, he headed for his bike, checked to see that there had been no tampering, and then fired it up and zipped up the ramp and onto the boardwalk for the trip home. This wasn’t exactly legal, but Fermanagh’s finest weren’t stopping committee members much – things were tense in Fatlington. Unfortunately, he’d used this route a couple of times already.
He saw the other motorcycle cut up onto the boardwalk as he passed, it’s rider was wielding some king of lance or spear which made it a little conspicuous. The other driver gunned his motor and came after Kamikhaan. Kami pulled out his .45, aimed behind him at the bike – didn’t think he’d hit, but wanted to make the pursuer wary – and squeezed off a couple of rounds.
He missed – the pursuer. One slug caught molonthegreat right at the base of the skull as he looked towards the lancer-cycle. Molon went down like a pithed frog, quivering and jerking and quite dead even though his body took almost a minute to accept the fact of its demise. The lancer just opened his throttle to full and continued the pursuit.
Kamikhaan opened his custom cycle to the limit, quickly accelerating to 110mph as he raced down the boardwalk, pulling smoothly away from his pursuer – but not from the pursuer’s accomplice. That person had simply waited for the revving motor sounds and begun lifting the pre-cut section of boardwalk up on a hydraulic lift mounted on the back of a pickup truck. Most of the middle of the boardwalk lifted, up to 40 degrees on Kami’s left and about 25 degrees to his right just as his bike raced into that length of the boardwalk. Kamikhaan ended up doing a spectacular barrel roll jump to right onto the sands below – without benefit of landing ramp.
He did his best, but the soft sand landing made a smooth finish impossible. He was flung from his bike and both he and the cycle tumbled end over end for a long way. He survived, despite the injuries he’s suffered, until the lancer cruised up next to his battered body and skewered him with the lance. A small pennant at the top of the flag read “il destino è inesorabile.” The lancer cyclist picked up his partner and sped off into the sultry dark.
Chimpyang wasn’t the most avid of chess-players, but he appreciated a good game now and then. At the moment, he was actually heading toward the Hotel Abbatoir’s well-known bar to tipple a little of their Armangnac – he left Cognac to the plebs. Chess maneuvering wasn’t the first thing on his mind.
His trip was interrupted by a gunshot and the <<zing>> if a round ricocheting off the car next to him. He moved quickly, ducking behind the car, trying to put the car between him and where the bullet must have come from. As he took a position behind the car, he noticed that he was more-or-less perfectly parallel to a red-painted figure in the shape of a crouching man that someone had sprayed onto the side of this white sedan.
In chess, the goal is to force your opponent to maneuver – of his own accord – exactly where you need him to go. Chimpyang smiled sardonically. <<Damn…well played.>>
One shot from a scoped Garand announced the checkmate of this particular game. The first shooter trotted up, dropped a perfect black rose on Chimpyang’s corpse, and faded into the sweltering black night that enveloped Fatlington. The players in this game were growing fewer and fewer.
Tran was heading carefully away from the convention center and toward his evening meal. The street was brightly lit and he had company – Warmaster Horus – so he wasn’t very worried, though he still kept a watchful eye.
Just steps away from the restaurant, a car pulled up and two gunmen in the full regalia of cordon bleu chefs jumped out and started hammering shots at Tran from their submachine guns. Warmaster Horus took the brunt of the first bursts, shredded as he provided living armor for Tran. Tran leapt for the only possible exit from the shooting gallery, an exit so obvious that, in retrospect, he was sure it should have been covered. It wasn’t. As sirens announced the imminent arrival of the police, the gunmen looked at each other, then both turned and emptied one more burst into Warmaster in frustration, climbed back in the car, and let their wheelman whisk them to safety. This recipe would not be going into the cookbook.
Motep reveled in the rich taste of the salsa Bolognese he was enjoying. Rich and hearty, it was simply perfect. And to find such a sauce in this over-lit cheesy Italian corner place had been an unbelievable find! He knew he would share it with his friends – eventually. For now, it was a perfect antidote for those ghastly committee meetings. He’d been silent thus far – hadn’t even voted really – but he’d signed on, so he stayed. Fortunately, there was this sauce to sustain him, along with a chianti that wasn’t half bad.
He was too engrossed in his food to notice the three men who entered the little restaurant or remark much on the fact that trench coats and low brimmed hats were a little “much” during this heat wave. One of the men starting arguing with the proprietor – he handled everything outside of the kitchen solo in this small place – and tried to push past him toward the back until the proprietor leapt in front of him to stop this nonsense.
Thus, nobody noticed when the other two men stepped behind Motep, grabbed his arms and shoved him face-first into his pasta and it’s rich salsa Bolognese. He struggled of course – inhaling such a thick sauce not being a natural act – but he couldn’t break the iron grip of his assailants. The argument lasted nearly 6 minutes before the first man of the trio ran out the back of the restaurant. Motep lasted 4. The proprietor called the ambulance, but there was no hope. The sauce had been his undoing. A pair of small pink ballet slippers were found, placed in "2nd position".
Rythmic never really had the chance to defend himself. Two cars had pulled off the road, one in front and one behind him as he walked on the sidewalk. Two gunmen had opened fire from each vehicle. Rythmic was hit 47 times in less than a minute and fell dead. 3 tourists were killed and another 4 wounded in the crossfire. Nobody identified the shooters. Blood in the gutters was all too common in Fatlington.
Sasaki Kojiro was, strangely, alone when it happened. He was walking quietly when a man leapt out of the alley at his side shoving him into the street. Kojiro spun, dreading the sight of headlights...but the street was quiet. No car, no gunmen, just the cloaked figure on the sidewalk whose body language made it appear that he was just as surprised as Sasaki at the absence of a high-speed vehicle. He made a break for the shadows before Sasaki could get to his weapon or even hope to catch him.
Twilightblade never expected to be accosted by waiters. Sure the men had been wearing masks to hide their faces, but who really looks at the white dinner jacket guys to scan for a threat? So he wasn’t prepared when, just after exiting the restaurant he was facing three armed waiters. He mumbled the first thing that came to his head…
“The tip wasn’t that crappy…”
The gunmen merely waved him into the back of a canvas truck. Two of them climbed into the cab while the third took ‘blades car to drive it into the salt marsh on the bayside of the island and abandon it. Fortunately for Twilightblade, there was no guard in the back of the truck. As the truck slowed to take a turn, he simply hopped off the back, rolled to a stop, got up and ran to the nearest police precinct house. T’blades car was found the next morning, sunk 2/3’s of the way in the muck. Nobody ever found the truck or the offending waiters.
woad&fangs hadn’t bothered with a restaurant. He’d decided to finish up his business and spend the rest of the night at home, quietly. He almost made it. As he reached his steps, a shrouded figure sprang up from the darkest corner of his porch and lashed downwards at him with a knife.
The attacker was a master with the blade, and woad&fangs could barely keep himself on his feet. Already his arms were sliced as well as his face and at least one of the puncture wounds in his chest was sucking and bubbling – not a good sign. But the attacker was slowing and woad&fangs managed to make it to the side-alley by his home and grab up a trashcan lid to use as a shield.
It wouldn’t help.
“Say goodnight, Gracie,” said a voice behind him. A single thundering shot and the .577 Webley had punched a hole the size of a teacup through what had been woad&fang’s right kidney. woad’ crumpled in a heap, rapidly bleeding out.
The 2 men faced each other, both now holding guns, each shadowed figure pointing at the other. Sirens began to sound in the distance. Both had dealt fatal blows to woad&fangs and neither had planned on the other. Finally, both nodded without saying anything. The chap with the big pistol faded backwards into the alley without ever turning his gun away. The knife wielder waited a moment, fished something out of his pocket to drop on the corpse, and then walked away before the sirens got closer.
When the police arrived, they found a playing card on the body – the King of Hearts. On the back had been written: “dead rat.”
Proletariat left the convention center with a sense of urgency: She had to get home fast. By maneuvering her way through heavy traffic, Proletariat arrived home in record time. Proletariat opened her front door, walked in, and locked the door behind her. She went into the kitchen to fix herself some dinner when she turned to find a huge frying pan flying towards her head.
It never connected. Coming out of her pantry light a bolt of lightning, a cloaked figure intercepted the frying pan and flung it back at the masked and shrouded assailant. The assailant ducked, but came up with a small statue – St. Michael – to use as a weapon. Prole scrambled through her drawers to get her holdout weapon. Just as the two started to face off, a group of figures piled through the front and back doors of the apartment and went after both cloaked figures. A wild melee ensued.
Proletariat was no shrinking violet, but 6 cloaked figures fighting in her apartment kitchen left little space for good shooting and her ammo limit didn’t allow for mistakes. She leapt through the kitchen window in a shower of glass, landed on the fire escape, and rode the ladder down to the street in a hurry.
The fight continued only briefly after that. Though it was soon apparent that the fight was 5 on 1, that 1 -- with the aid of St. Michael – was an almost superhuman opponent. Despite the efforts of the others, he was able to fight his way out of the apartment and make and escape. A scrap of paper, fallen from that one’s pocket – and a half-smashed apartment – were all Proletariat had as a memento. It read: “Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched."
Proletariat decided on dinner out, after all….and a new apartment.
Morning Meeting, Day 6:
“Allright folks, before I turn you over to JimBob for his preview of this evening, let me summarize the reports we’ve generated and make sure you’re up to date. In addition to last night’s sad events, I can report the following.”
Fermanagh paused.
“Your lynching efforts paid of handsomely. Hannibalbarca was a local criminal, a WiseGuy in their slang and may well have been involved in some of the killings. Tiberius of the Drake was your real success though. We’ve been able to confirm that he was a Made gangster in one of the mafia families. You scored a real success there.”
“Our records suggest that the mafia is killing good guys and bad guys about evenly, though that’s only small consolation. Beefy187, taka, and The Stranger are all confirmed to have been townies with no known criminal involvment – at least none that we can confirm. Pannonian and Zorg were both Wiseguys like Hannibal, but we were unable to note any mafia connections there.”
Fermanagh looked down at his notes.
“Glenn is a strange case. On the surface he seemed a regular townie, but a thorough search revealed a small memento album with scrolls in Latin, a print of some French medieval tapestry and one photo of him in some kind of Crusader regalia. Along with some stray rumors about a secret society, we’re just not sure about him. We may never know the whole story.”
“One final sad note. It would appear that Rob_the_Celt fell to his death from the top of the Hotel Abbatoir early this morning. He landed on the statue of Washington Refusing The Crown in the seaside park. He was killed instantly, but he also broke the crown off the statue. He has no known relatives here in Fatlington, though we’ll try to contact the family while investigating.”
Fermanagh turned the proceedings over to JimBob. Daylight had arrived.
OOC
1. Voting for Lynch will conclude at 0900 EST 19 Feb 08 (1400GMT).
2. Thanks for all the birthday wishes. As I begin my 45th year, I’ll try not to let my decrepitude get in the way of the fun.
3. List of Players:
Still Alive: (50) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Roadkill, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Xdeathfire, Xehh II.
Attacked: (19) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Caius (N3), Cowhead418 (N2), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5), Sasaki Kojiro (N5), taka (N2), Tran (N5), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (17) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5)
Lynched: (5) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5)
Removed from Play: (7) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5)
4. Please excuse any errors, it's late and I'm trying to finish and sleep.
5. investig & other results sent. Promotions if any wait til later. Ciao!
CountArach
18/02/08, 07:32
Well that doesn't answer too much about Glenn. It does make his story slightly more plausible in my mind though. If we take it as true, then I guess we can clear JimBob.
prole, why did you survive two nights in a row?
Well that doesn't answer too much about Glenn. It does make his story slightly more plausible in my mind though. If we take it as true, then I guess we can clear JimBob.
prole, why did you survive two nights in a row?
I think what's under it helps as well.
“One final sad note. It would appear that Rob_the_Celt fell to his death from the top of the Hotel Abbatoir early this morning. He landed on the statue of Washington Refusing The Crown in the seaside park. He was killed instantly, but he also broke the crown off the statue. He has no known relatives here in Fatlington, though we’ll try to contact the family while investigating.”
Why would that be in there? Seems to me that Rob was our number three.
Well, time to finish off the remnants of the Straccis.
Dutch_guy must be lynched of course.
I think Louis´ time has come, too. I concede that there is a chance that he didn´t become a Stracci made. But I´m not willing to take that risk. And I don´t think he could still be useful to the town now in any way, sorry. He posed as a mafioso last night to avoid getting targetted by other families. And today he´ll probably whine how unfair it would be if the town lynched him. And with what will he come up next night?
And there are those Wise guys who were mentioned in the Stracci hideout file. They should better give us some real good reasons why they deserve to live past this day.
JimBob´s innocence is now proven beyond all reasonable doubt, IMHO.
Vote: Dutch_guy
Tally
Dutch_guy - 1 (Haudegen)
I think Louis´ time has come, too. I concede that there is a chance that he didn´t become a Stracci made. But I´m not willing to take that risk. And I don´t think he could still be useful to the town now in any way, sorry.
Louis is not guilty and he is still useful for the town like any other townie.
Vote: dutch_guy
Sasaki Kojiro
18/02/08, 09:08
I do think we have bigger fish to fry than louis.
Vote:KukriKhan
Made has a criminal result on him.
Remember, however, that a significant minority (20%) of townspeople will register as “unclear” rather than innocent if investigated by a Made and as “criminal” if investigated by a detective.
Townies don't appear as criminal when a made investigates them.
Untrue.
Especially since I was on the two (successful) protection crews you organized the past two nights.
The protection crews weren't successfull. If the person isn't attacked the result is 'inconclusive'. It's obvious Kukri never sent the pm at all. He must be mafia.
He must be lynched along with Dutch Guy. These two at a minimum.
Made has a criminal result on him.
Townies don't appear as criminal when a made investigates them.
But wise guys do...
Although I'd think we'd have found all wise guys by now.
The protection crews weren't successfull. If the person isn't attacked the result is 'inconclusive'. It's obvious Kukri never sent the pm at all. He must be mafia.
Bollox.
First off if the person wasn't attacked you cannot deduct a thing from the "inconclusive" return, second that doesn't say anything about whether anyone sent a PM in or not either and third how does simply nothing mean that he is guilty?
I'm not saying he isn't, I'm saying there is absolutely nothing pointing towards him being guilty and I simply don't see how that somehow makes him an important lynch target. And to be honest I'm quite surprised to get such a load of nothing from you of all people... :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
18/02/08, 09:18
KamiKhaan: killed by mafia. Pennant with italian on it.
Chimpyang: black rose mafia
Tran: seems to be an attempted kill by a 3 man wise guy group.
Motep: Stracchi's. Why motep dutch guy/tran?
Rhythmic: townie vig group. Someone who trusts kommodus.
Sasaki: attempted mafia hit, one person failed to show up
T'blade: Attempted townie vig, one person failed to show up
Woad: bizzarre! Apparently 2 individuals capable of killing on their own.
Prole:I don't understand what happened here.
Interesting absence of yellow rose and especially weather balloon mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
18/02/08, 09:22
But wise guys do...
Although I'd think we'd have found all wise guys by now.
Bollox.
First off if the person wasn't attacked you cannot deduct a thing from the "inconclusive" return, second that doesn't say anything about whether anyone sent a PM in or not either and third how does simply nothing mean that he is guilty?
I'm not saying he isn't, I'm saying there is absolutely nothing pointing towards him being guilty and I simply don't see how that somehow makes him an important lynch target. And to be honest I'm quite surprised to get such a load of nothing from you of all people... :inquisitive:
What are you talking about?
Criminal result = wise guy or mafia
Kukri claims townie
ergo Kukri is lying. Kukri is either mafia or lying wise guy. Guilty.
When you participate in a protection group and the person doesn't get attacked the result you gut back is 'inconclusive'. Kukri's post makes it sound like he thinks the result is 'successfull', like he hadn't actually sent his pm in. It's a side note that I think is important. What have you been doing at night husar? I've noticed a lot of poor logic in your posts.
Well, time to finish off the remnants of the Straccis.
I do agree, Vote:Dutch_guy
ajaxfetish
18/02/08, 09:25
Mafia status as of N5:
--Stracchi. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy, Made: Andres (dead), Made or associated wise guy: LouisVI, associated wise guy: Tran (according to Louis and Omanes, Andres denies it). Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (N5), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3) and Proletariat (N4, possible Don).
--Corleone. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead), several unknown associated wise guys. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (N4), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, possible Don).
--Tataglia.
--Barzini.
--Cunnio.
One of the above 3 is likely the yellow rose group. Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any unknown. Calling Card: Yellow rose. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, possible detective), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4).
We've got a few new possibilities for mafia calling cards tonight. The yellow rose group failed to strike again, but a black rose was left with Chimpyang's corpse. I'm assuming it's a different group (rather than the calling card being a rose of just any color) since all 3 previous roses have been yellow. The king of hearts left with Woad & Fangs also seemed very calling-card like, and the phrase 'dead rat' like something a mafioso would say, though the knife-wielder also seemed to be operating alone. The lance and <Italian?> phrase left with Kamikhaan also possibly indicated a calling card, though I couldn't pin down what it was.
The Stracchi's managed another hit night 5, with both Omanes and Andres dead. I'm assuming Dutch Guy was one of the killers, but he'd need an accomplice, so either Louis or the unnamed wise guy is still cooperating in family kills. With Dutch Guy still alive it seems the Stracchi's are still in action. Lynching him today may be enough to nail their coffin shut.
The Corleone's seem to have only attempted one hit tonight, with the St. Michael dude invading Prole's apartment. It was repelled by both a single defender and a group (luca or doctor plus a townie group?). What were the rest of the Corleone's up to tonight?
The Tataglia have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis.
I have no definite information so far on the Cunnios (inactive members? yellow rose/black rose/playing card group? otherwise keeping a low profile?).
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Musings:
Warmaster Horus got WoG'd tonight. IIRC, Omanes & Co. got a criminal read on him and suspected he was a made holding back one of the other mafia families by his inactivity. Interestingly, his WoG suggested he was protecting Tran. Apparently a vigilante group tried and failed to take down Tran, but got used to WoG WH in the process. Was he a luca protecting Tran? Why else might he have been given this kind of an exit?
xdeathfire and twilightblade have both fled to the police immediately after being attacked (xdeath on N1, twilight on N5). They may have a similar role, and this action would seem to suggest it's a pro-town one.
--.577 Webley. We also seem to have a rogue killer of unknown motivation in our midst. A single individual using the same weapon shot both Kommodus (N4) and Woad&Fangs (N5). Woad&Fangs was apparently also the target of another independent hit, though the two attackers seem not to care about each other and the other may have been mafia (possible calling card left). The Webley killer has left no calling card and has had no accomplices. His actions on nights 1, 2, and 3 are unknown.
The Holy Trio. Whatever the particulars of Glenn's and Jimbob's role, Glenn's post-mortem seems to bear it out, and I think we can trust JimBob. Also, as he has pointed out, Rob the Celt was probably their 3rd member, and has now suffered the WoG. Whether he'll be replaced by a plain townie or not is unknown. For now, the trio is down to one: our current director.
Beefy turns out to be a normal townie. So his lucky escape on N1 was not the result of being a mafia don, and Warmaster Horus was not a defunct luca for Beefy (still may have been one for Tran).
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Post-mortem results:
6 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger
Detective: Drisos
Crusader?: Glenn
4 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg
1 mafia
Made: Tiberius
Ajax
What are you talking about?
Criminal result = wise guy or mafia
Kukri claims townie
ergo Kukri is lying. Kukri is either mafia or lying wise guy. Guilty.
That may be true, but didn't he sign up for protection to prove his innocence?
And didn't the one organizing it take a completely irrelevant target anyway, stating that he'd expect things to fail etc blabla? If you want to test someone, choose a target that is actually attacked next time so you get a success or failure, not an inconclusive.
When you participate in a protection group and the person doesn't get attacked the result you gut back is 'inconclusive'.
Thanks for repeating what I said, but since I already said it, maybe I knew it already. :dizzy2:
Kukri's post makes it sound like he thinks the result is 'successfull', like he hadn't actually sent his pm in.
Kukri didn't even post since the results are out, what are you talking about? I thought night 5 was the first night he worked in protection?
What have you been doing at night husar?
I certainly won't tell you... ~;p
I've noticed a lot of poor logic in your posts.
I can give that right back, Don Sasaki.
ajaxfetish
18/02/08, 09:33
Since the Stracchi's are still killing, vote: Dutch Guy.
Capotally as of post #1969
Lynching
Dutch Guy: 4 (Haudegen, Husar, Sarathos, ajaxfetish)
KukriKhan: 1 (Sasaki)
not voting: 45
Ajax
Still Alive: (50)
Almost 2000 posts already and still 50 players alive. Oh boy.
Congratulations on a wonderful game and a very happy birthday Seamus Fermanagh :birthday2: ~:cheers:
You're da man :bow:
Almost forgot, Happy Birthday Seamus! :2thumbsup:
Sasaki Kojiro
18/02/08, 09:40
Hi Husar.
criminal result = wise guy or mafia
kukri = criminal result
kukri = wise guy or mafia
kukri claims townie = kukri is lying
kukri = lying wise guy or lying mafia
kukri = guilty
IT'S NOT COMPLICATED :wall:
oh and happy birthday Seamus :jumping:
Who got the criminal result on Kukri?
Your trustworthy source? What was his role again? Oh yeah, Made gangster.
:inquisitive:
Hey, don't listen to me, don't look at me, don't pay attention. I am mafia, scum, a liar, a despicable murderer, a fantastic singer/songwriter and all of that...
Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
:creep:
Hi Husar.
criminal result = wise guy or mafia
kukri = criminal result
kukri = wise guy or mafia
kukri claims townie = kukri is lying
kukri = lying wise guy or lying mafia
kukri = guilty
IT'S NOT COMPLICATED :wall:
That wasn't the illogical part of your post. You may want to read my posts correctly before you assume I'm disagreeing with everything you say.
Although there may be other reasons for a wise guy to claim townie besides being guilty. For example if he's a wise guy who wants to help the town, he may just say he's a townie because he considers himself pro-town. That's just an idea though.
We could just follow Andres's logic and say you're not pro-town either as you're hiding a made, since you're never going to tell us who that made is, you're essentially hindering the town efforts.
Despite that, how do you know that made can be trusted? Who says you or that made are not making us hunt shadows while the real mafia flourishes and kills us all? :inquisitive:
Ok, intead of you to fighting, why don't we use the information for some benefit. Do you both agree the KukriKhan is criminal/gulity/mafia? If so why don't we set about lynching him?
We could just follow Andres's logic and say you're not pro-town either as you're hiding a made, since you're never going to tell us who that made is, you're essentially hindering the town efforts.
Despite that, how do you know that made can be trusted? Who says you or that made are not making us hunt shadows while the real mafia flourishes and kills us all? :inquisitive:
Oh come on now Husar, are you going to follow my logic? The logic of a scummy, guilty, lying, singing and songwriting Made Gangster?
:no:
Every townie should follow the trustworthy source of Sasaki, who is a definitely pro-town playing... Made Gangster.*
:stupido2:
* To avoid all confusion: Sasaki's source is a Made Gangster, not Sasaki himself. Sasaki is definitely innocent, like all other Dons...
EDIT: That's it for today ladies and gentlemen. I'm going back to my coffin now and will watch the show from there :bow:
Happy Birthday Seamus, good game. :2thumbsup:
Good luck guys.
Vote: Dutch Guy
Die mafia die!
woad&fangs
18/02/08, 14:02
I reccommend putting 3 votes on all known mafia and wiseguys. It seems that the playing card mafia has recruited a wiseguy to replace me and their made after my betrayal of them. The Corleones have multiple wiseguys working for them.
Wiseguys/mades=
Kukrikhan
Norwegian Nerd
Xdeathfire
Dutchguy
GeneralHankerchief(is he still alive)
Sasaki's made
Ichigo
and whoever else I forgot
If all wiseguys were lynched then there would only be 3-4 attacks per night.
Edit: who attacked Sasaki and how did Sasaki survive?
When did you betray the mafia?
woad&fangs claims to have betrayed the mafia. "Dead rat" seems to suggest that this is true.
woad&fangs, why did you not reveal? If you betrayed the mafia, why didn't you reveal your betrayal? Now you are dead, and cannot share PMs...
:wall:
Edit, corrected spelling
I read the Story Thread, and found interesting that Warmaster Horus and Tran were together.
Looks like that Warmaster Horus was the Luca of Tran. Why would he stay ONLY with him?
Wasn't Warmaster Horus wogged?
I don't know if his presence with Tran was more than an excuse for him to be caught in the crossfire.
Louis VI the Fat
18/02/08, 16:59
I do think we have bigger fish to fry than louis.
Vote:KukriKhan
Made has a criminal result on him.Uhm..huh? Your...made!? :inquisitive:
Here's what: give us the name of the made, that we may hang him.
Vote: Sasaki's made.
Also, Dutch and Tran are still on the lose. Triple lynch? :yes:
Warmaster Horus is on holiday in real life, if I remember correctly? He simply got wogged. Seamus is a creative writer, who waves wogs seamlessly (seamuslessly?) into the story. WH has got nothing to do with Tran, simply random collateral damage.
Edit: Happy .45 Seamus!
I think it's quite clear that you were lying about Tran Louis, since it turns out (by your own admission) that Andres was the other Made of the Strattichi family
(or whatever, the one's beginning with S)
Yet you insist on continuing to lie, even after you've supposedly come clean about Andres.
So why don't you come clean about your intentions (and perhaps your role?)
Anyone heard of the saying 'Lynch all liars'?
Vote: Louis VI the Fat
GeneralHankerchief
18/02/08, 17:14
Isn't anyone curious as to how Prole survived yet ANOTHER hit?
Proletariat
18/02/08, 17:15
Yeah, someone already was curious about it. They asked right after the write up.
There are bigger threats than kurki right now. Sasaki and his pet made, for example. Sasaki, tell us your made's identity. We have detectives, we can investigate. Your made is a liability to the town. If you've got a really good reason why we should let your made live, PM and we'll deal with it.
Right now we take down Dutch Guy and maybe Tran. Let's try the double lynch.
In the interest of the 2X
Vote:Tran
And my offer goes out again. Any pro-town players, contact me and rally round the banner.
Capo Tally
Dutch Guy-3 (Haudegen, Husar, Sarathos)
Tran-1 (JimBob)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis):balloon2:
GeneralHankerchief
18/02/08, 17:59
JimBob, as Director you can't vote.
EDIT: Nevermind, see GH's post above.
Also, without taking a side, if Sasaki's made is doing investigations (debatable), I don't think he/she can be killing - it's an either/or night action, I believe. So, they may not be the most urgent threat.
I'm going to vote: Louis for now. I think he intended to become a Don and I'm not too sure if that's still possible but clearly his gameplan isn't/wasn't pro-town.
Capo Tally 1992
Dutch Guy-3 (Haudegen, Husar, Sarathos)
Tran-1 (JimBob)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -2 (Myrddraal, Craterus)
Isn't anyone curious as to how Prole survived yet ANOTHER hit?
Duh, a protection group protected her...
I'm only just catching up with thread but Sasaki looks very dubious and possibly most threatening to town as he's attempting to direct things. He doesn't seem to want to give any explanation of why a made would be passing him information - or why we should be expected to trust that information!
Vote:Sasaki
actually hoping we can get a double or greater lynch now we have a director we can trust... (voting for Sasaki's made sounds like nice option but I think Seamus will be expecting an actual name :wall: )
Capo Tally (1994?)
Dutch Guy-3 (Haudegen, Husar, Sarathos)
Tran-1 (JimBob)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki -1 (Mak)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -2 (Myrddraal, Craterus)
FactionHeir
18/02/08, 18:31
vote: dutch_guy
Duh, a protection group protected her...
A protection group plus another single person. So, we have either a Doctor or a Luca, with a townie protection group looking to get Doctor points.
Ah, finally dead, well...I know for a fact that Sasaki started the game as a townie, don't know what he is now, but most likely still pro town. So lynching him would be a mistake until you get further investigations on him. I myself was a townie, you'll have to wait until the investigation comes back, but it will show my innocence. Falling victim to the black rose mafia..interesting....the only players who I really came across in this game were those who were in the group with me and Sasaki really, so my role is mostly done! Good luck guys!
unvote: Dutch_guy
vote: Tran
I´d prefer a multi lynch.
Kukrikhan
Norwegian Nerd
Xdeathfire
Dutchguy
GeneralHankerchief(is he still alive)
Sasaki's made
Ichigo
and whoever else I forgot
I think we can add BKS to that list. IIRC he was among the Stracci recruits. I wouldn´t mind some votes on him, too.
Capo Tally (1995)
Dutch Guy-2 (Husar, Sarathos)
Tran-1 (Haudegen, not counting Director JimBob)
Kurki-1 (Sasaki)
Sasaki -1 (Mak)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -2 (Myrddraal, Craterus)
Included FH + EF
Capo Tally (1999)
Dutch Guy-2 (Husar, Sarathos, Faction Heir)
Tran-1 (Haudegen, not counting Director JimBob)
Kurki-2 (Sasaki)
Sasaki -1 (Mak, Elite Ferret)
Sasaki's Made-1 (Louis)
Louis -2 (Myrddraal, Craterus)
Edit: Arghh
Edit2: # 2000! Woohoo!
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