Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[CountArach]

And with this I post reply #3500.

Congrats Seamus!

[KukriKhan]

First: I'd like to thank the mafia for revealing themselves so explicitly.

They have made our job much simpler. All we have to do is lynch, or vig, or shoot them (in my case) now.


2. Please remember that this is -- after all -- just a game, and that the game isn't finished by any means.

(My bolding)

We're not done yet, Citizens of Fatlington.

The Maf's arithmetic sux, as it always has. It's the same math that tells you:

"You ordered 4 chairs; everybody knows a respectable dining set has 8 chairs. To spare you embarrassment, we added the other 4 chairs to your order. Nevermind that they haven't arrived yet. My cousin Vinnie is on the task. Pay up now for your 14 chairs, or Vinnie will get mad. You don't want Vinnie mad."

Between lynch, vig groups, and my trusty (and much-polished, by now) .577, we CAN and WILL prevail.

This is OUR town. Let's act like it.

Maf boys: look out. Many of you will die. Soon.

It might look like a maf-win now, but consider this: has a maf-win ever occured in the past? Have you taken into your mind the idea of what kind of world you want yourself, your spouse, your children... to live in? In Mafworld, that life is filled with suspicion, recrimination, constant worry over your status in the family, every day having to prove and answer to: "What have you done for me lately?".

Wanna live that way? Fine. Creep and grovel and scrape to your heart's content. I for one prefer to stand on my own two feet.

A man.

No more. No less.

Fatlington Citizens: If you agree with me:

unvote:Twilightblade
vote: Sasaki Kojiro

[Xehh II]

Don't worry

[Xehh II]

Vote:KukriKhan
Select:Craterus

[KukriKhan]

Vote:KukriKhan
Select:Craterus

of course.

Keep 'em coming, slugs.

[TruePraetorian]

Kukri, we have 10 votes you have 7..prole cant vote.

[Husar]

How many people aren't voting on either side? I guess the mafia has even more votes if we consider that. The problem with people who stop playing when they don't like their role PM...
That's even lamer than being mafia. ~;)

[Haudegen]

To summarize this:

The cunning Dons declared the infamous truce and combined their forces against the town. But as a consequence they revealed themselves to their competitors. So they found themselves so vulnerable that they agreed to stop playing, once the town is wiped out. Which is basically a dead end, regarding their victory conditions.

But I can´t believe that all of the Dons were so blind. My bet is that two of them are conspiring against the third in order to bring this game to a real ending.

Remember, there are 3 Lucas officially dead. That means at least one of the Triumvirate relies solely on the protection from 3 wiseguys, assuming that he actually controls 3 wiseguys ...

[CountArach]

To summarize this:

The cunning Dons declared the infamous truce and combined their forces against the town. But as a consequence they revealed themselves to their competitors. So they found themselves so vulnerable that they agreed to stop playing, once the town is wiped out. Which is basically a dead end, regarding their victory conditions.

But I can´t believe that all of the Dons were so blind. My bet is that two of them are conspiring against the third in order to bring this game to a real ending.

Remember, there are 3 Lucas officially dead. That means at least one of the Triumvirate relies solely on the protection from 3 wiseguys, assuming that he actually controls 3 wiseguys ...
One logical fallacy here:

We already knew who all the members of all the families were.

[TruePraetorian]

And no one is gonna kill anybody, except killing townies of course.


MFTW!!!!!!!

[shlin28]

And I just became a doctor ~:mecry:


Sack Caius, Select Kukrikhan


This Doctor shall fight to the end!!! :furious3:

[Ironside]

Select:Craterus
Vote:Elite Ferret

Let see now, TP confirms the truce will hold and votes his don into night protection... Charming. The next night is the night of betrayal then?

I fear that Kukri won't survive the lynch sadly enough, so him as a director won't help.
Besides, should kukri survive, shlin can appearently keep him alive for at least one night.

[FactionHeir]

The town could probably salvage this round if they had voted united, but they don't seem to agree on a lynch target.

[Ferret]

unvote:Twilightblade
vote:KurkiKhan

select:Elite Ferret

Cauis will pay for that

[Dutch_guy]

Well some interesting turn of events, good job mafia :yes:

:balloon2:

[TinCow]

What I'm confused about is exactly who started as mafia and who chose to go mafia at the last minute because they thought it was a better option. TP, Caius, etc? Were you always mafia or did you just conclude that you had a better chance of a win with the mafia, so you switched sides at the end?

[KukriKhan]

I think you all 'mis-underestimate' the power of one person: the writer.

You know: our esteemed host, Seamus. Also known, in this thread anyway, as GOD.

I'm just a humble player like the rest of you, so I don't pretend to know the mind of God. But, if I were God in this instance, with a group of players declaring victory prematurely, and arrogantly gloating and heaping praise upon themselves...

my keyboard would be on fire right about now, because of the speed with which I was writing the death-songs of about a half-dozen characters.

I'll bet you that God (a.k.a. Seamus) didn't take sides in the Fatlington v mafia struggle, but rather hoped to provide an interesting set of human-interaction developments (this is known as a "S-T-O-R-Y", in a "G-A-M-E", my friends).

Townies: if you haven't entirely given up yet, and just curled up in a fetal position waiting to die, do this:

unvote: Sasaki (or whomever you have already voted for) , and

Vote: Elite Ferret.

At the very least, let's provide God (or *cough* Seamus *cough*) a unified town effort that he can work with, to provide the plot-twist necessary to write an interesting, fun Epilogue to the Fatlington tale.

[Caius]

Congrats.

[Ferret]

I have contacted Seamus and he will accept a joint mafia victory his exact words were:

"It is not the original design of the game, however, if an agreement is made and demonstrated by a couple of night phases that it will be held to, then I will allow it. It would be a mafia win and partial family win."

[Haudegen]

One logical fallacy here:

We already knew who all the members of all the families were.

Interesting. Care to elaborate?

[KukriKhan]

I have contacted Seamus and he will accept a joint mafia victory his exact words were:

"It is not the original design of the game, however, if an agreement is made and demonstrated by a couple of night phases that it will be held to, then I will allow it. It would be a mafia win and partial family win."

A lie.

Seamus' Last Activity: Yesterday 20:06. That's 23:06 his time (EST). The mafia plot wasn't even hatched then.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kukri...he posted in the thread last page.

[Haudegen]

Anyway it should be considered as mere propaganda until Seamus declares it in the thread. An issue of such relevance should be made public, it´s a fundamental rule change after all.

[Ferret]

that PM is true, ask Seamus :P

[Husar]

Well, now that the mafia revealed publicly, it would only make sense to retract their voting rights since chief Seamus, being a good guy, would never count their scummy votes in the town meeting. Basically every revealed mafioso should loose his voting right. Hey, you get what you want, then we should have a free wish as well...

And remember this game is mainly about telling a believable story...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, now that the mafia revealed publicly, it would only make sense to retract their voting rights since chief Seamus, being a good guy, would never count their scummy votes in the town meeting. Basically every revealed mafioso should loose his voting right. Hey, you get what you want, then we should have a free wish as well...

And remember this game is mainly about telling a believable story...

If you want to play that game...

*pulls out machine gun in broad daylight and shoots all the townies*

[Caius]

I love cellphones, they allow me to call 911 in seconds :P

[Caius]

that PM is true, ask Seamus :P
How can we believe a liar?

[norwegian nerd]

Select:Craterus
Vote:Elite Ferret

Let see now, TP confirms the truce will hold and votes his don into night protection... Charming. The next night is the night of betrayal then?

I fear that Kukri won't survive the lynch sadly enough, so him as a director won't help.
Besides, should kukri survive, shlin can appearently keep him alive for at least one night.

If you are pro town why do you favor Craterus's mafia


The dons are Craterus, Kagemusha and Elite Ferret.

Lucas: Joe Monks, Charge are most likely, otherwise gibson or CA.

Sasaki is a wise guy if I understood correctly (still not certain on this though).

Scott and Xehh are wise guys.

Can we narrow the lucas down? And vig kill them? Publically , and giving the Craterus' mafia a golden opportuninty to win with 2 quick kills....

If you are a townie why do you favors Craterus's mafia?
FOS at Ironside

[Haudegen]

:laugh4:

Get your guns ready, boys!

The truce is over!

[Myrddraal]

Well considering the size of the mafia families, I think it is pretty cowardly to all gang up.

In a normal mafia game, there's one or two mafioso, maybe at most three. Of course it's an easy win if all the mafia families combine. The whole point of Capo is that they have to fight each other as well.

I agree, this seems like a Wallmart victory. The Mafia deserve no congratulations, I wouldn't call this winning, but game-breaking.

Sasaki, I guess I forgot one important thing when trusting you, just because you started townie doesn't mean you can't go mafioso. I guess I didn't think enough in terms of Capo. I only considered two options, that you were townie (and therfore trustworthy) or a made with a townie friend. :wall:


TOWNIES, VOTE ELITE FERRET, SAVE KUKRI!

[norwegian nerd]

VOTE: Elite Ferret
Select: KukriKhan
Just to make sure my votes get counted.

Also elite ferret, if what you say is true then perhaps you would take a screen shot or have seamus post it himself.

[TinCow]

Sasaki, I guess I forgot one important thing when trusting you, just because you started townie doesn't mean you can't go mafioso. I guess I didn't think enough in terms of Capo. I only considered two options, that you were townie (and therfore trustworthy) or a made with a townie friend. :wall:

Since I was a n00b at the beginning of this game, I polled several veterans about the reputation of various players. Sasaki's reputation: Hates playing pro-town and will figure out a way to be pro-mafia unless his role makes it impossible.

[Caius]

Mafiosi Roles:

Don(na)

A Don is the leader of her/his crime “family.” Their objective is to eliminate all of the other dons in the game, and to have more members in their crime “family” than the total of innocent townies and opposing criminals, thus gaining control and becoming the “Capo de tutti Capi.” There will be 5 families: Corleone, Tataglia, Barzini, Stracchi, and Cunnio; bold for small game]


Seamus can't change the winning conditions. Its written before the game starts, and you can't change it cause of a bunch of scum W(h)inners.

[Pannonian]

Sasaki, I guess I forgot one important thing when trusting you, just because you started townie doesn't mean you can't go mafioso. I guess I didn't think enough in terms of Capo. I only considered two options, that you were townie (and therfore trustworthy) or a made with a townie friend. :wall:

The question that one needs to consider about Sasaki is whether to lynch him now or later.

[norwegian nerd]

Why should it matter to elite ferret. Maybe he knows his mafia cant beat the other ones so he needs help to elimnate other townies. Very scummy.

[Haudegen]

Well considering the size of the mafia families, I think it is pretty cowardly to all gang up.

In a normal mafia game, there's one or two mafioso, maybe at most three. Of course it's an easy win if all the mafia families combine. The whole point of Capo is that they have to fight each other as well.


Couldn´t agree more. It´s a pity that the mafiosi these days shy away from walking through the fire to achieve victory. Pathetic.

[Pannonian]

Since I was a n00b at the beginning of this game, I polled several veterans about the reputation of various players. Sasaki's reputation: Hates playing pro-town and will figure out a way to be pro-mafia unless his role makes it impossible.
Include the opinions in your writeup.

[Caius]

Seamus told me the following:

"I will allow the town to create a new family: the Flaminius. Caius is the Don (I will send the PM with all the info), KukriKhan the Luca and Shlin, Norwegian Nerd and Leet Erikson Made Gangsters. You will win if the families do win also"

[Haudegen]

You´re kidding, right????

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting closes at 1300 EDT/1700GMT.

Latest tallies are:

Lynch:

Kukrikhan = 9 (CA, Crat, Ferret, Gibs, Joe, Sasaki, Scott, True, Xehh)

Elite Ferret = 6 (Caius, Iron, Kukri, Leet, nerd, Shlin)

Caius = 1 (Kage)

Not Voting = 2 (Prole [cnv], 'blade)


Director:

Craterus = 6 (CA, Crat, Iron, Sasaki, True, Xehh)

Kukrikhan = 4 (Caius, Kukri, nerd, Shlin)

Elite Ferret = 1 (Ferret)

Proletariat = 1 (Prole)

No Selection = 6 (gibs, Joe, Kage, Leet, Scott, 'blade)

[Ferret]

don't blame me about the combined victory, it wasn't my idea and I was only dragged into it because my ex-made had to reveal my name to save my life. As for Seamus's PM, I cannot screenshot it because it is against the rules and Seamus cannot say as he is host not a player, you could just ask him like I did when I was skeptical of the idea.

[gibsonsg91921]

Select: Elite Ferret

Simply put, Mafia FTW.

[TinCow]

Silly mafia, you forget that you are mafia. You cannot trust each other. If all of you obey the truce tonight, that will give one family the opportunity to kill you without risking themselves. When you wake up in the morning, you will be weaker and that family will be stronger. You will then slowly die while they win a true mafia victory by themselves. Because you are mafia, you cannot trust that everyone will abide by the rules. Therefore at least one of the three families will break the truce simply because they want to be the ones to do it first, as the others will do it eventually. The bloodbath is coming, you cannot avoid it.

Welcome to the Prisoners' Dilemma.

[Ironside]

Funny, with the mafia out in the open and with currrent tally, if 2 wiseguys vote for Elite Ferret instead of Kukri, and with some vigi kills this night, it would be a quick change into the towns favour. Mafia loss here would be really, really funny. :laugh4:

But they'll probably do the cowardly move and go for the big happy mafia family minor victory instead (well it is only game breaking in capo with perma-alliances within the mafia so I doubt Seamus will grant full victory points for that one).


If you are pro town why do you favor Craterus's mafia
Well, if the town cannot win, better to screw up the mafia enough to ensure that they won't win the cowards way. Or will the next capo start with 15 mafia that can recruit and will work together for the next of the game?

[norwegian nerd]

This is fishy, what is your role. What are you getting from craterus in return? Why craterus why not elite ferret or another don? Something is really fishy and its not the salmon I had for dinner.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This is fishy, what is your role. What are you getting from craterus in return? Why craterus why not elite ferret or another don? Something is really fishy and its not the salmon I had for dinner.

I can absolutely assure you that Ironside is not mafia.

[gibsonsg91921]

Amazing game, Seamus. You are brilliant. Thank you for being such a gracious host now and in the future.

[woad&fangs]

This isn't over yet.

You're now playing prisoners dilemma with Sasaki. This truce won't hold. Especially since the town can form 2 vig groups tonight.

What happened to loyalty to one's family. These are sad times for mafia everywhere.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This isn't over yet.

You're now playing prisoners dilemma with Sasaki. This truce won't hold. Especially since the town can form 2 vig groups tonight.

What happened to loyalty to one's family. These are sad times for mafia everywhere.

I'm not affiliated with a family, and the town won't be able to form any vig groups.

[norwegian nerd]

I can absolutely assure you that Ironside is not mafia.
Then why does he want mafia to win.

[woad&fangs]

He wants only one of the Mafia families to win. The way it should be.

[Proletariat]

Sack: Prole, Select: Kukri

Congrats on shooting for the lamest win. You're all kinda the Boss of Bosses. :2thumbsup:

[Kagemusha]

Unvote: Caius and Vote: Kukrikhan, Select: Craterus

You town folks were truly a great adversary. My hat is off for the town. This is nothing personal, just business. Let us see how this will end.:bow:

[Sigurd]

One minute to go...
Seems the Whiners are losing their best asset.

[GeneralHankerchief]

:smoking:

[Ferret]

TC has a point, it would be easy for the Cunnio's to break the truce if Craterus wins the position of director, as he looks set to do so.

[GeneralHankerchief]

TC has a point, it would be easy for the Cunnio's to break the truce if Craterus wins the position of director, as he looks set to do so.

Think like that and the town has a chance. Just finish up what's been started.

Eyes on the prize, gents. Eyes on the prize.

[gibsonsg91921]

Have the Cunnio's killed at all this game? I thought they were going a nonviolent approach. Haha

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TC has a point, it would be easy for the Cunnio's to break the truce if Craterus wins the position of director, as he looks set to do so.

The directors can be lynched.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #3561



“Where you eat food, snatch plate, wherever drama come
Live by the gun, die by the gun
When it jump off - make it pop, you be the only one
Live by the gun, die by the gun
In this game of life - play hard, you only got one
Live by the gun, die by the gun”
-- Tragedy Khadafi



Sunset, Day 13

This evening’s meeting had been…different. No longer did the Committee mingle. Instead, as if by some unspoken choice, they had gravitated to opposite sides of a central aisle among the chairs. One side held a few more people than the other, and the expressions on several of those faces was nothing less than feral. Those grins only got more wolfish as Craterus was selected to be Director for the next two days. The counting continued.

Proletariat looked incredulously at the slip of paper with the vote talley. Her blue eyes narrowed to slits, and through gritted teeth she spat out:

"KukriKhan, it's all over," Proletariat gulped hard and then continued. “Hand over your firearm, and accept your destiny."

"From my cold, dead hands!" shouted Kukri as he went for his own hand-cannon.

He'd always fancied himself a Mike Hammer-type guy, even going so far as to affect the worn, cheap double-breasted suits and fedora of that dark hero of pulp fiction novels. He'd also taken to loading his own ammunition for use in his beloved .577 Webley revolver. But this morning, perhaps because of last night’s events, he'd mis-counted. Three extra grains of gunpowder were in the shell that just this instant found itself spinning into position in front of the hammer that would strike its cap – just three little grains…

"Die Scum Sasaki!" Kukri raged, aiming the Webley at Kojiro.

<<BANG>>

The crowd ducked, but no slug left the barrel on its deadly course. Instead "the only one who understood" Kukri exploded in his hand, mangling fingers, thumb and palm into what looked like ground beef. Kukri paused, swaying slightly as the meeting room echoed with the concussion of the explosion.

Kukri fell back, silently crumpling to the floor. Kojiro fell back into his seat – he’s knees not willing to hold him up. Commissioner Fermanagh walked over and gently lifted the battered fedora from Kukri’s head. Fermanagh immediately saw Kukri's fate. The Webley's broken hammer had imbedded itself more than an inch into Kukri's skull, crudely lobotomizing him – and killing him instantly. Fermanagh looked at Proletariat, shook his head <<no,>> and tenderly placed the fedora back to cover Kukrikhan’s face.

“We’re done for tonight,” spat Proletariat with an obvious edge to her voice, “…here.”



OOC

1. Night PMs for night 13 are due by 1500 EDT (1700GMT?) tomorrow, 10 March 2008. At this stage of the game, it is important that ALL of you PM me with your actions -- or inactions -- for the night.

2. Vote Tallies were as follows:

Lynch:

Kukrikhan = 10 (CA, Crat, Ferret, Gibs, Joe, Kage, Sasaki, Scott, True, Xehh)

Elite Ferret = 6 (Caius, Iron, Kukri, Leet, nerd, Shlin)

Not Voting = 2 (Prole [cnv], 'blade)


Director:

Craterus = 7 (CA, Crat, Iron, Kage, Sasaki, True, Xehh)

Kukrikhan = 6 (Caius, Kukri, nerd, Prole, Shlin)

Elite Ferret = 1 (Ferret)

No Selection = 4(gibs, Joe, Leet, Scott, 'blade)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kojiro fell back into his seat – he’s knees not willing to hold him up

:inquisitive:

I mean...what a good actor I am!! Pretending to be scared like that.

[TinCow]

The directors can be lynched.

Doesn't matter much if one of the families manages to cripple the others tonight. It seems you're all planning on attacking the town, which makes it the perfect opportunity for one family to renege and attack their largest opponent. The largest family gunning for their next main opponent, or perhaps the smallest family gunning for the largest one as a pre-emptive attack to prevent their own defeat.

You know what would be really useful in a situation like this? An extra unaffiliated wiseguy willing to join them. Where could one of the families find one of those? Oh, yeah... Sasaki. Anyone know which family Sasaki has negotiated his way into? I'll give you high odds that that family is going to betray the other ones tonight.

[Haudegen]

You town folks were truly a great adversary. My hat is off for the town. This is nothing personal, just business. Let us see how this will end.:bow:

If your family has the balls to grab a true victory here, my hat is off for you, Kage.




Just BTW, Seamus´ silence regarding a multi-family-victory is quite telling ...

[Husar]

One minute to go...
Seems the Whiners are losing their best asset.
Wait a second...who was afraid and ran to Seamus, almost peeing in their pants, asking for a different win option? :inquisitive:

[Kagemusha]

Wait a second...who was afraid and ran to Seamus, almost peeing in their pants, asking for a different win option? :inquisitive:

Its not our fault that we are better organized then town. Our first and foremost objective is mafia victory.This goes ahead the victory of individual families.:smash:

[KukriKhan]

Wait a second...who was afraid and ran to Seamus, almost peeing in their pants, asking for a different win option? :inquisitive:

We did put a pretty good scare into them, didn't we?

One little reveal, and the mere threat of a mass-reveal which would un-mask them, made the scurvy scum desperate, and now look where they are.

Town loses, but so do they. A weak, dishonorable statistical victory at best, instead - and one not yet acknowledged by the host.

-edit-
cool death scene. :thumbsup:

[Dutch_guy]

Town loses, but so do they. A weak, dishonorable statistical victory at best, instead - and one not yet acknowledged by the host.


Bit harsh don't you think ? The mafia outplayed the town, and I'd say the living members have the right to end it as they see fit.

Just like the townies have every right to nag about it, and try to play the living dons out against eachother.

:balloon2:

[Haudegen]

Butchering the townies is a means, not an end

[KukriKhan]

Bit harsh don't you think ? The mafia outplayed the town, and I'd say the living members have the right to end it as they see fit.

Just like the townies have every right to nag about it, and try to play the living dons out against eachother.

:balloon2:

Perhaps. On the other hand, the Families start out with a built-in advantage over townies, and pro-townie roles: they already know 2 other characters that they can trust (the Don, his Luca, and first 'Made'). It takes detectives several night phases to get believeable enough results to know who is trustworthy.

So, yeah: maf-scum outplayed the town, but only because they have less ambiguity, and start out ahead in the game, in my opinion.

If I, as rogue detective, knew from Day 1 that I could trust Husar and JimBob (for example), and they knew they could trust me and each other, we could have made significantly quicker progress toward organizing the town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If the town had been a little more proactive with vigilante groups they could have bumped off quite a few more mafia. Scottishranger got revealed on what, day 3? Yet he's still alive...

[norwegian nerd]

just got this from sasaki

"Hey Ironside,

in the thread norwegian seems to be on to you. I think I have a plan to throw him off track but it needs some work, you got any ideas?

Sasaki"


Nice fake PM

[Sasaki Kojiro]

just got this from sasaki

"Hey Ironside,

in the thread norwegian seems to be on to you. I think I have a plan to throw him off track but it needs some work, you got any ideas?

Sasaki"


Nice fake PM

I amuse myself :laugh4:

[TruePraetorian]

Didnt the town win the first Capo?

And ill tip my hat to those trying to pysch us out, but unfortunately its not gonna work.

[scottishranger]

If the town had been a little more proactive with vigilante groups they could have bumped off quite a few more mafia. Scottishranger got revealed on what, day 3? Yet he's still alive...
Yea...I got caught trying to start two mafias, yet somehow I am still alive. The town had better people to lynch.

Anyways, wondering what news the night will bring.

[TinCow]

Bit harsh don't you think ? The mafia outplayed the town, and I'd say the living members have the right to end it as they see fit.

I disagree that the mafia outplayed the town. Almost every WoGed player was townie, which put us at a massive disadvantage. In addition, the only reason the mafia was able to pull off the Kukri lynch was because a few townies went over to the mafia at the very end of the game. The mafia doesn't deserve much credit for that. If the townies had simply stayed pro-town, it would have been a town victory. The only people that deserve any credit at this point are the original mafia members who managed to remain hidden and alive this entire time, particularly Craterus, Kagemusha, Elite Ferret, CountArach, and gibson (nicely done, my friend). The people who simply jumped ship at the end are nothing more than opportunists, not grand strategists in any sense. People like Louis and CR deserve far more praise for their early game efforts.

[TruePraetorian]

I disagree that the mafia outplayed the town. Almost every WoGed player was townie, which put us at a massive disadvantage. In addition, the only reason the mafia was able to pull off the Kukri lynch was because a few townies went over to the mafia at the very end of the game. The mafia doesn't deserve much credit for that. If the townies had simply stayed pro-town, it would have been a town victory. The only people that deserve any credit at this point are the original mafia members who managed to remain hidden and alive this entire time, particularly Craterus, Kagemusha, Elite Ferret, CountArach, and gibson (nicely done, my friend). The people who simply jumped ship at the end are nothing more than opportunists, not grand strategists in any sense. People like Louis and CR deserve far more praise for their early game efforts.

Kinda sad to not see my name on your list of greatness :sad: After all, i am the first Made Cunnio..and I DID gain your trust pretty well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I disagree that the mafia outplayed the town. Almost every WoGed player was townie, which put us at a massive disadvantage. In addition, the only reason the mafia was able to pull off the Kukri lynch was because a few townies went over to the mafia at the very end of the game. The mafia doesn't deserve much credit for that. If the townies had simply stayed pro-town, it would have been a town victory. The only people that deserve any credit at this point are the original mafia members who managed to remain hidden and alive this entire time, particularly Craterus, Kagemusha, Elite Ferret, CountArach, and gibson (nicely done, my friend). The people who simply jumped ship at the end are nothing more than opportunists, not grand strategists in any sense. People like Louis and CR deserve far more praise for their early game efforts.

One wiseguy switched at end. We had a majority without him. Town could have played much better, face it :yes:

[Myrddraal]

@Kukri, it is not the information that the mafia had which is an unfair advantage. The whole point of mafia is that it is meant to be the informed minority vs the uninformed majority.

And that statement also encapsulates the the reason this more of a game-break than a mafia victory.

The informed minority...

In most mafia games, there are at most three mafioso. Anything more and the game gets unbalanced. CDTC can afford to have more mafia because they are supposed to be against each other, as well as the town.

There are certainly mafia players who deserve congratulations, but they deserve it for they play exculding participating in this whimp out of a 'victory'.

[Myrddraal]

As an aside, I like to give heartfelt thanks to Seamus for hosting this game. It has been very fun. I wish it could have ended with a little more daring and tension, the way CDTC is meant to be, but it's still been a great game. One of the best in my inexperience opinion.

[Kagemusha]

What part dont you people understand.It says in each original mafia role description that mafia victory is more important then victory of individual family. If we had not organized in few turns we would have been picked one by one. Maybe that would have make the town more happy and you could have said, what a crappy mafia you were against. I hope we could stop the mud slinging and play the game to the end.:candle:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

^^what he said^^


As an aside, I like to give heartfelt thanks to Seamus for hosting this game. It has been very fun. I wish it could have ended with a little more daring and tension, the way CDTC is meant to be, but it's still been a great game. One of the best in my inexperience opinion.

There's not much tension in going down a list of detective results and checking them off one by one. Look at the day Hiji was lynched. There were what, 40 posts tops?

[Myrddraal]

Oh I dunno, I bet the mafia were pretty tense :wink:

[gibsonsg91921]

The only people that deserve any credit at this point are the original mafia members who managed to remain hidden and alive this entire time, particularly Craterus, Kagemusha, Elite Ferret, CountArach, and gibson (nicely done, my friend)

Coming from you, that means a lot. Let's see if I can go 2-0 with KOTR, lol.

[KukriKhan]

Maybe that would have make the town more happy and you could have said, what a crappy mafia you were against. I hope we could stop the mud slinging and play the game to the end.

Aw, don't take it personally Kage; you and the others will get a well-deserved "gg m8!" when the game is actually ended. In the meantime (and we're probably looking at another week of play), dead townies are doing what they (we) can to demoralize, confuse and harrass the mafia. We're supposed to do that, according to Seamus' rules and role explanations.

My lynching, though important, is just a battle won, not the entire war. Now, instead of picking on defenseless townies, you have to guess which of your sneaky brothers-in-arms is gonna turn on you first. Then correctly time your assault on him.

Much tougher task.

[Husar]

One wiseguy switched at end. We had a majority without him. Town could have played much better, face it :yes:
O RLY? :inquisitive:

[Andres]

Well played, remaining mafiosi :2thumbsup:

Now, kill those petty townies :evil:

[KukriKhan]

Hehe. Hey Andres: I've finally decided; I DO wanna come over to the dark side. :laugh4:

[shlin28]

The town could have played better, for example by utilising all of the townies, as a large number of them (including me) were mostly doing nothing :dizzy2:.

How did all the mafia manages to get to get into Tincow and CR's inner circle anyway?

[FactionHeir]

The town could have played better, for example by utilising all of the townies, as a large number of them (including me) were mostly doing nothing :dizzy2:.

How did all the mafia manages to get to get into Tincow and CR's inner circle anyway?

I'll tell you when the game is actually over

[TinCow]

I was under the impression that several (current) mafioso were townies not long ago. Being dead, the situation is somewhat unclear to me. My apologies if I offended anyone. I do believe that anyone who started as mafioso and is still alive played very well.

[Ferret]

or just didn't play much and was largely ignored. :P

[gibsonsg91921]

this was the first game i've played decently.

[Kagemusha]

Good night,sleep tight town of fatlington.:sharky:

[TinCow]

Hmm... I think I've found a flaw in the mafia plan. With all the townies dead, who are they going to shake down and extort? Congratulations, you've cut off your own source of income. You have also conveniently killed all the garbagemen and sewage treatment plant workers. I hope you enjoy living in a very smelly town. Need I mention the fact that when all the doctors are dead, you're probably bound for a slow and painful death?

Silly mafia never think their plans all the way through.

[woad&fangs]

Aye, Craterus and Kagemusha and a few others definately deserve a big congratulations for a game well played.

Do you guys actually think that I can keep a straight face when talking about family loyalty? How many times did I switch sides in this game? 4, 5, maybe more?

If the first thing listed in your victory conditions was a mafia victory no matter what family then I guess y'all aren't doing anything wrong with this mafia truce.

I can't believe the town let Sasaki live this long. TinCow's evidence was the strongest case we could ever hope to have against Sasaki in this type of game.

I'm still curious about who Tiberius of the Drake's Don was.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm... I think I've found a flaw in the mafia plan. With all the townies dead, who are they going to shake down and extort? Congratulations, you've cut off your own source of income. You have also conveniently killed all the garbagemen and sewage treatment plant workers. I hope you enjoy living in a very smelly town. Need I mention the fact that when all the doctors are dead, you're probably bound for a slow and painful death?

Silly mafia never think their plans all the way through.

Well, where were you guys going to drink and gamble when you'd lynched all of us? :smash:

[Caius]

I was going to study how to place explosives and sniper training.

[gibsonsg91921]

Guys, let's not get philosophical. One family should be perfect balance.

lol, looks like it'll be Crate's family, though.

[TruePraetorian]

Guys, let's not get philosophical. One family should be perfect balance.

lol, looks like it'll be Crate's family, though.

We have the same amount of people as you guys, and no Luca, so what do you mean?

[gibsonsg91921]

meh, you have director tho.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Bah. A bunch of wussies, these mafia families.

CR

[Louis VI the Fat]

Relax, CR, we'll have our fun still. :yes:

See, there is not going to be an all-mafia victory. Here's how they could have achieved an all-mafia victory: the lucas and mades of all but one family start killing under the banner of one single family. Once all members of a family are mades to this unified family, their dons are left without family members and can start killing too, to work their way to made status with the one, united mafia family. The rules allow it. In fact, it is the only way within the rules for a unified mafia win. Also, seeing as how the rules clearly allow a unified victory in this manner, there is absolutely no reason to accept any other way. The rules are very strict on how to achieve a unified mafia victory, the option is clearly presented, and the mafia didn't take it. So I wish some mafiosi would play like men and stop littering the thread with their incessant whining for new conditions, like they have been ever since it became clear that the town had pwned them.

If the mafia wanted a united win, the option was there. Alas, the mafia didn't see this option, didn't desire this option, or simply couldn't pull it off*. So any cries since yesterday of a 'shared mafia win' must be considered a ploy by some mafiosi. And / or a desperate attempt by some other mafiosi to run crying to the referee for new victory conditions.

So either:
- the mafia families really follow through with their plan of not attacking each other plus whining to the referee to allow new victory conditions.
- or, they won't stick to their truce and we can say 'told you so' to a great many of yesterday's panicing mafiosi. Their boasting about their victory was a bit premature, it seems. Like the town told them it was.

The former option means that all, and the latter that many, of the mafiosi left alive at this moment will not end this game as the cunning players they have been bragging they are, but rather as the laughing stock of .org mafia. :beam:

Because it's one thing to lose. It's another to be a panicing wussy trying to bend the rules. But to be a wussy AND to brag how you've won AND to lose anyway AND to have been told in advance...:smash:


(*However, they can still pull it off, at least to a fair degree. Hence, I suggest that all town players attack each other tonight. We must not allow the mafia enough kills for them to form into a unified family.)

[TruePraetorian]

Relax, CR, we'll have our fun still. :yes:

See, there is not going to be an all-mafia victory. Here's how they could have achieved an all-mafia victory: the lucas and mades of all but one family start killing under the banner of one single family. Once all members of a family are mades to this unified family, their dons are left without family members and can start killing too, to work their way to made status with the one, united mafia family. The rules allow it. In fact, it is the only way within the rules for a unified mafia win. Also, seeing as how the rules clearly allow a unified victory in this manner, there is absolutely no reason to accept any other way. The rules are very strict on how to achieve a unified mafia victory, the option is clearly presented, and the mafia didn't take it. So I wish some mafiosi would play like men and stop littering the thread with their incessant whining for new conditions, like they have been ever since it became clear that the town had pwned them.

If the mafia wanted a united win, the option was there. Alas, the mafia didn't see this option, didn't desire this option, or simply couldn't pull it off*. So any cries since yesterday of a 'shared mafia win' must be considered a ploy by some mafiosi. And / or a desperate attempt by some other mafiosi to run crying to the referee for new victory conditions.

So either:
- the mafia families really follow through with their plan of not attacking each other plus whining to the referee to allow new victory conditions.
- or, they won't stick to their truce and we can say 'told you so' to a great many of yesterday's panicing mafiosi. Their boasting about their victory was a bit premature, it seems. Like the town told them it was.

The former option means that all, and the latter that many, of the mafiosi left alive at this moment will not end this game as the cunning players they have been bragging they are, but rather as the laughing stock of .org mafia. :beam:

Because it's one thing to lose. It's another to be a panicing wussy trying to bend the rules. But to be a wussy AND to brag how you've won AND to lose anyway AND to have been told in advance...:smash:


(*However, they can still pull it off, at least to a fair degree. Hence, I suggest that all town players attack each other tonight. We must not allow the mafia enough kills for them to form into a unified family.)


:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

I am laughing because the mafia arent the ones whining.

[Haudegen]

What part dont you people understand.It says in each original mafia role description that mafia victory is more important then victory of individual family. If we had not organized in few turns we would have been picked one by one. Maybe that would have make the town more happy and you could have said, what a crappy mafia you were against. I hope we could stop the mud slinging and play the game to the end.:candle:

Would you (or any other Don/Made/Luca who reads this) please quote your victory conditions here?

[Csargo]

The town is just mad because they failed.

[Sigurd]

Would you (or any other Don/Made/Luca who reads this) please quote your victory conditions here? I would, but Alas, I am dead and hence it would be breaking some game rules. Oh, there are some nifty red pieces in there too.

How does it feel townies? having a big LOSER written on your foreheads. :laugh4:

[Andres]

I googled the term "sportsmanship".

Look what I found:


Sportsmanship expresses an aspiration or ethos that the activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.

Often the pressures of competition, individual achievement, or introduction of technology can seem to work against enjoyment by participants. As a result, sportsmanship is often contrasted with its converse, gamesmanship.

Poor sportsmanship can either be the winners "rubbing salt in the wounds" of the losers, or the losers expressing their frustration at not winning, even to the point of holding a grudge.

:shame:

[CountArach]

I think there is some poor sportsmanship on both ends at this point. We won, but we should be gracious in victory. Similarly, we won and the Town should accep that.

[Drisos]

Lol. 'you' don't win. :balloon2:

[TinCow]

Feel the love.

[Proletariat]

Criticize sportsmanship after the game. Most of this gloating is baiting for crowd effect. Watch these next couple turns and you'll see, there's much more game to be played.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Methinks the lady doth protest...correctly.

[Sigurd]

Come on ...
It's our Germanic warrior genes.
We feel the urge to taunt the enemy before the battle. Can't help it. :sweatdrop:

[Andres]

It's a shame that the town is defeated. Nobody left to annoy with wrong tallies, senseless accusations, no more trying to convince them to lynch a detective or an innocent townie :bigcry:

Can the mafia just leave one of them alive? I need somebody to play with and, more important, to keep cleaning my gravestone...

My own pet slave, you know.

[Husar]

Come on ...
It's our Germanic warrior genes.
We feel the urge to taunt the enemy before the battle. Can't help it. :sweatdrop:
Well, I always wonder how much the dead can be credited for such a victory or defeat anyway, they can pull some strings behind the scenes but they cannot vote anymore and cannot post a whole lot of evidence or whatever in the public discussion.

On a different note I think more things should be written in stone by the gamemaster before the game starts, alterations to game rules or anything like that should only be done during the game when they apply to all player groups in the same way.

But I'll stop whining here and will just conclude that I'm not up to the task of mafia games and might want to stop playing them as my track record went only further downhill the more of them I played. :shrug:

[TinCow]

But I'll stop whining here and will just conclude that I'm not up to the task of mafia games and might want to stop playing them as my track record went only further downhill the more of them I played. :shrug:

If it makes you feel any better, I considered you one of my most reliable men. You were always a top pick for any important hit. Of course, so were TruePraetorian and Caius, so perhaps that's not as nice a compliment as I want it to be.
:juggle2:

[Louis VI the Fat]

The funny thing is, I am neither whining nor being a poor sport. All I am doing is posting a crystal clear analysis of the situation. To think the mafia needs a town player to explain it all to them. :smash:

Anyway, the first family to acknowledge that Louis has been right wins. The others lose. I don't care which one it will be. Far from being a poor sport, this family will get my congratulations for their win after the game. :2thumbsup:


Until then, I will have my fun though. You're all living players and there's nothing unsportsmanlike in provoking the living.

The option for setting up a single family for a unified mafia victory was there. The mafia didn't take this option. Similarly, the option for town players to join a unified family was there as well. We didn't seize it either. Now you don't win the game by shouting that you did, you win it by winning. By being part of the winning fraction. This is what I meant earlier with 'the town might as well claim to be part of the winning fraction'. We aren't, and neither are most mafiosi (yet). So any call for unified win was a bit premature. At best. More probably, a lethal mistake for most.

It looks like the pwned mafia managed to get themselves in a tight spot yesterday. There really wasn't any masterplan. There was only mass panic. We now get to enjoy the spectacle of people who have been high fiving each other with their win having to kill each other. Through pre-meditated betrayal. Or, more probable and even better yet, unwillingly.

Now, either the pwned mafia does what the town tells them to do, that is, start killing each other against their will. Which will be a great laugh. Or they don't, in which case the mafia families don't win after all, which will be a great laugh too.

That's what I meant with this town's mafia being the laughing stock of the .org. ~;p

[Andres]

Well, the mafia still have one common goal: kill all townies. They will succeed at that.

Once the townies are all dead, the mafiosi can decide: fight each other in a great, heroic Mafia Battle Royal or stick together until the host has no other option then to declare this game over.

One thing is for sure: the town will not win :shrug:

[KukriKhan]

Brilliant analysis, Louis.

Mafia certainly have some hard work set out before themselves - much tougher than just deciding which unsuspecting townie to snuff.

Who will be the first to break this unholy "coalition of the willing", unleashing the bloodbath of rival mafia murders?

Most interesting to the reader (and dead player) will be the daytime lynch cycles, once all the townies are gone.

Better than TV, my friend. There can be only one "Capo de Tutti Capi".


One thing is for sure: the town will not win

Speaking as a volunteer pro-townie (now deceased) I must say: town did a pretty good job of staving off relentless attacks from 5 (five!) mafia families, given the amount of information they were allowed.

My only personal regret was that I revealed too late. I should have done so soon after Crazed Rabbit got lynched, when the 'tipping point' of town v mafia numbers was more town favorable. Maybe I (we) could have awakened our slumbering (then WoGged) lurker townies.

[Andres]

The town did very well indeed :bow:

But the town is also the strongest faction in this game.

Don't forget that one family (mine, and I'm the one to blame :wall:) was already taken out before the game even really started. Alot of mafiosi got killed or lynched in the first few days of the game.

By forging an alliance, the mafia families made the right decision. It was (and still is! So stick to your allies my mafia brethren, at least until the town is exterminated!) their only chance of taking out their strongest and also mutual opponent: the town.

After they have taken care of you guys, well, we'll see what happens next.

[Haudegen]

I would, but Alas, I am dead and hence it would be breaking some game rules. Oh, there are some nifty red pieces in there too.

How does it feel townies? having a big LOSER written on your foreheads. :laugh4:

Should have been more precise. The question was adressed to living mafiosi. Actually dead Dons are of little interest to me.

So which living mafioso wants to prove me wrong once and for all and quotes his mafia victory conditions here in the thread?

[Kagemusha]

Should have been more precise. The question was adressed to living mafiosi. Actually dead Dons are of little interest to me.

So which living mafioso wants to prove me wrong once and for all and quotes his mafia victory conditions here in the thread?

Unfortunately we dont have to proof anything anymore. The control of the situation has passed to us. You can take one or two of us with you, but thats about it.~:smoking:

[Haudegen]

Unfortunately we dont have to proof anything anymore. The control of the situation has passed to us.

So you´re dictating the rules to the game host and are proud of it? That´s poor sport, if there ever was one.

[Kagemusha]

So you´re dictating the rules to the game host and are proud of it? That´s poor sport, if there ever was one.

No.The game host dictates the rules, thats pretty simple. What im saying is that there is no need for mafia to start handing out their role pm´s to the town to prove anything.:smash:

[Dutch_guy]

So you´re dictating the rules to the game host and are proud of it? That´s poor sport, if there ever was one.

I don't believe Kage is dictating the rules to the host, he's merely stating the current situation. Namely that the town lose if everything goes as it seems to be going, and that there is little the living townies can actively do to stop it. Quite frankly, the power has shifted, and the ball is in their court.

And I'm also going to use this post to remind everyone, and no one in particular, that this is still a game and should be treated as such. Some seem to have forgotten that essential fact, and it's ruining a great game.

:balloon2:

[KukriKhan]

~:idea: Simply for the continuing amusement of the 50+ "dead" players, Gameroom staff should maybe start a poll, listing the remaining mafia families, and the remaining 3 or 4 nights, asking the question: "Who will be the first family to 'crack' and attack another mafia family, and when?".

Then we could all place our bets.

Just a thought.

[Andres]

~:idea: Simply for the continuing amusement of the 50+ "dead" players, Gameroom staff should maybe start a poll, listing the remaining mafia families, and the remaining 3 or 4 nights, asking the question: "Who will be the first family to 'crack' and attack another mafia family, and when?".

Then we could all place our bets.

Just a thought.

How about a poll: "Which townie will be left alive to serve as cleaner of Andres' gravestone" ?

[KukriKhan]

How about a poll: "Which townie will be left alive to serve as cleaner of Andres' gravestone" ?

LOL, I'm all for it. Though your poll might get fewer votes than my proposition.

Or maybe I underestimate the popularity of gravestone cleaning chores.:laugh4:

[TinCow]

I agree that this current discussion is not really useful. It was natural and proper for the mafia to celebrate as a group when it became clear that the town had been defeated. They deserved to have a short period to pat themselves on the back for a job well done. However, there are still three families remaining and I think we all know that they will fight it out to determine which one is the winner. There's plenty of entertainment to come for us corpses, so let's just sit back, watch, and perhaps speculate where appropriate. The next few night and day phases will be interesting, so let's let them take their natural course.

[Haudegen]

I guess you´re right.

Apologies to Kage, Sigurd and everybody else.

[Kagemusha]

I guess you´re right.

Apologies to Kage, Sigurd and everybody else.

There is nothing to apologies. Lets just see this journey through.:bow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I would, but Alas, I am dead and hence it would be breaking some game rules. Oh, there are some nifty red pieces in there too.

How does it feel townies? having a big LOSER written on your foreheads. :laugh4:

How's it feel to be dead, receiving your just desserts in the afterlife? I'm up on a heavenly ski slope sipping cocktails and you're cleaning the toilets in Hell. All that criminal activity kind of loses its luster when your dead, doesn't it?

:beam:

And don't you work with computers and networks? Shouldn't you have thought of IP tracking? And yet you were found out by a engineering student who hasn't taken a class related to computers since his freshman year of highschool.

:beam:

And for my money, Crate's family seems to be in a very good position; they don't have to protect their don tonight.

CR

[Husar]

And I'm also going to use this post to remind everyone, and no one in particular, that this is still a game and should be treated as such. Some seem to have forgotten that essential fact, and it's ruining a great game.

:balloon2:
I'm just having a very nice, friendly "game's almost over"-chat with my friend Don Kage, don't see what your problem is. Because he's my friend I also told him that his victory is lame of course. ~;p

[Seamus Fermanagh]

For host's convenience, the deadline is extended by one hour until 1600 EDT (2000 GMT).

Numerous orders do not match. If you have ANY concerns, a fresh PM would not be amiss. My notes are chaotic at present and clarity would help.

Thank you.

[Sigurd]

How's it feel to be dead, receiving your just desserts in the afterlife? I'm up on a heavenly ski slope sipping cocktails and you're cleaning the toilets in Hell. All that criminal activity kind of loses its luster when your dead, doesn't it?
There is no hell. Why? Because I said so.


And don't you work with computers and networks? Shouldn't you have thought of IP tracking? And yet you were found out by a engineering student who hasn't taken a class related to computers since his freshman year of highschool.
Never knew you could do that stuff CR... You get a star in my book. :2thumbsup:
I guess I masked my IP's a little too late.

I got you back though, Don Cunnio... :beam: Too bad I hadn't time to do a decent fake reveal, the kind that would keep me alive. A little more time for the hitman role to sink into the minds of the town and mafia ... it could have worked.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Triudecanoctis finis est. Writeup to follow when possible.

Host a bit ill, and not quite as up to speed as he'd like.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Numerous orders do not match. If you have ANY concerns, a fresh PM would not be amiss. My notes are chaotic at present and clarity would help.

Sounds interesting. :beam:

CR

[Seamus Fermanagh]

This is main thread post #3639



"King of the castle
More room at the top
All sorts allowed
Now the gloves are off
Heya! hello neighbour
Benevolent mother
Smother the child
The benefactors are in denial
The banality of evil"
-- Nine Horses



Summary, Night Thirteen


Elite Ferret was headed home after dinner, walking alone as was his custom. The streets weren’t deserted, but he hadn’t passed anyone for blocks. Previously, he’d found these walks calming, but tonight he started off feeling a bit relaxed – after all, without pretense it was easier to just get things done. Though relaxed, he hadn’t let his guard down completely. When the stranger stepped out of the alley a few feet ahead, his hand was into his coat and his revolver out of its holster quickly.

“Relax,” said the shrouded figure. “I only have a message.” The figure knelt and placed an envelope on the sidewalk in front of Elite Ferret, then backed away. Elite Ferret walked forward and knelt…

The <<Crack>> of the sniper rifle sounded the moment Ferret squatted and became immobile. The thirty-ought-six round struck the back of his head, killing him instantly. He crumpled softly to the pavement. Inside the envelope was a simple typed message: “Dal capitano, con Amor.”


On his way home, norwegian nerd tried to play it safe. He stuck to busy streets, paused to wait for a beat-cop to “shadow” him where possible, and always kept an eye out for escape routes. But he couldn’t avoid the lobby of his own building.

As he walked in, the night clerk of his building seemed strangely quiet and unmoving. Nerd paused long enough to note that something was wrong, when the first bolt struck from behind, through the doorway.

The heavy steel quarrel, though slowed by the armored vest, was a non-deforming penetrator, so it wen’t through the vest and into nerd’s left kidney. He staggered forward.

A man stepped from behind the night-clerk – who’d been dead for 20 minutes and only stood courtesy of the spikes nailing him to the front desk, now slumping with nobody holding his head up from behind – leveled his own crossbow at nerd and fired. The bolt took nerd in the pit of the stomach, puncturing the diaphragm.

The shooter spoke as he leaned behind the desk for a second crossbow. “So, who’s your buddy?”

A second man stepped into the doorway nerd had just vacated, leveling a second crossbow of his own. This man didn’t speak, he just put a bolt into nerd’s other kidney. nerd dropped to his knees, unable to get a deep breath and bleeding badly from internal wounds.

“Having trouble talking?”

The inside shooter leveled his crossbow.

“I’ll help clear your throat.”

The quarrel took nerd straight in the Adam’s apple, transfixing his throat and burying the point of the bolt into his spine. Nerd fell over and died quickly, passing out before death finally took him.

The silent shooter turned on the “room available” sign as the killers departed.


Shlin28 ran when he heard the footsteps behind him. Paranoia wasn’t an illness in Fatlington, it was a survival skill. In his haste, however, he’d ended up in one of the few alleys on the block with no exit…of all the luck. His luck continued as he fumbled and dropped his weapon as he turned to face his assailants.

The two assassins behind him weren’t interested in neatness – just results. A pair of fragmentation grenades bounced into the alley next to shlin. Neither went off. Both assassins went for their pistols next, while shlin knelt to desperately try and find his own weapon.

Just as the two killers opened fire, the heavy metal back door of the neighboring restaurant opened into the alley, providing a heavy metal shield for shlin – who decided he’d had enough luck, bad and good, for one evening and ran into the restaurant to make his escape. The perplexed dishwasher watched as shlin raced by him, then went to dump the trash. Both grenades went off and turned him to hamburger.

Neither of the attackers was ever identified.


Ironside had made it home safely…when he noticed his front door was ajar.

<<Not good!>>

He backed away, scanned the surrounding area, and then went quickly to his neighborhood café to use the phone. He’d just sat down in the booth when the phone rang – and then blew to pieces from the hidden explosives placed there. Ironside was killed instantly.

The man sitting at the counter reading the newspaper put the paper down. He picked up the gun hidden beneath it and gestured for the counterman to turn around.

“Just so you’ll stay quiet,” he said, and cracked the man over the head with his pistol. He dropped a white rose on the torn corpse of Ironside as he left to join his accomplice at the phone booth down the block.

The counterman died two days later, never regaining consciousness.


Morning Meeting, Day Fourteen

“So that’s what we know about last night,” said Fermanagh. The Commissioner looked around the room. It was tense this morning and the chief was anything but comfortable.

“Our follow-on investigations have produced the following results. Night 11 appears to have been a battle. The town lost two good citizens, Myrddraal the Surgeon and Doctor Draco Leman. Our losses were heavy. Caeser the III was an innocent townie by all accounts. We had one success. Warluster, whoever killed him, did Fatlington a favor by dieing. Our sources have confirmed that he was a mafia Luca. Unfortunately, we lost two doctors to the Mafia’s one. Your lynch choice was sound, Charge checked out as a Made Gangster working for one of the families. I wish the news were better.”

“The news is adequate,” said Craterus. “Adequate enough to our purpose I assure you. Now, as to tonight’s “departure….”

Craterus smiled faintly.

“…we’ll follow our usual...democratic...approach to the vote."


OOC

Significant Change necessitated by un-pardonable error on part of host. I regret the inconvenience that I know this must cause. I offer no excuses. If a majority of you wish to discontinue play, I will honor that request.
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1. Day Fourteen Lynch vote commences. This day phase will finish 0900 EDT (1300 GMT) on 3/12/8.

2. Results/promotions/etc. will be sent later as time permits (no later than tomorrow 1200 EDT 3/11/8).

3. Current List of Players:

Still Alive: (14) Caius, CountArach, Craterus, gibsonsg91921, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Leet Erikson, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II.

Attacked: (36) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10, N12), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), shlin28 (N13), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)

Murdered: (36) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10), Myrddraal (N11), Warluster (N11), Brave Sir Robin (N12), Elite Ferret (N13), Ironside (N13), norwegian nerd (N13).

Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).

Lynched: (13) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10), Charge (D11), TinCow (D12), Kukrikhan (D13).

Removed from Play: (15) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9), Caeser the III (N11), Draco Leman (N11), JimBob (N12), Jubal_Barca (N12).

[CountArach]

Wow.....

I can see our peace lasted... :tongue:

[Andres]

IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

Due to a mistake in the first write-up of the previous night, the host has requested to delete all messages posted before the correct write-up had been posted.

I assume the host will now extend this voting round.

[Myrddraal]

So, I'm confused. What's the mistake? Has it been corrected?

Is it night or day?

[Andres]

So, I'm confused. What's the mistake? Has it been corrected?

Is it night or day?

In the first write-up, Elite Ferret survived the attack.

It's day.

[Xehh II]

Weird, I swear when I logged off this morning there were 123 pages, now there's only 122, what happened?

[TinCow]

Weird, I swear when I logged off this morning there were 123 pages, now there's only 122, what happened?

The write-up showed Elite Ferret being attacked and surviving. There was then several hours of debate and voting. Then the night write-up was changed to show that Elite Ferret was killed. All the posts made before this change were deleted, because they were based on an error that did not exist.

As to the 'new' events, Elite Ferret was killed by 2 people. Obviously the mafia truce has not held.

[naut]

Obviously the mafia truce has not held.
Which makes for an interesting and bloody finale. :duel:

[Kagemusha]

My condolences to Tataglia family. It is unfortunate that one of us is dead, but this doesnt change anything. In order to respect EliteFerret and his family, Vote: Caius traitors should die.

[Sigurd]

Yeah... Good going mafia :wall:

I am hoping there was a plan behind this, because there will be retaliations against Kage or Craterus. I bet this is orchestraded by the brain dead goons not responding to the Don meeting invite.

:no:

BTW: Elite Ferret's family will receive Corleone reinforcement. I was holding on to my surviving members for just such a betrayal.

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: Shlin28

I'll get him ere the day is gone.

Kag, try to split vote on him and Caius! The traitors will be dead by midnight.

[Kagemusha]

Sigurd, my family leaves roses behind. I had nothing to do with Ferrets death and i can control my people so there couldnt have been an "accident" either.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Wow.....

I can see our peace lasted... :tongue:A combined mafia victory was never possible, CA. The game mechanics don't allow it.

At the last footbal (soccer) World Cup, the final four remaining teams were all from the EU. This led to some boasting about an 'EU victory'. For those identifying with the EU maybe morally it was, but not in fact. If the EU wanted a unified victory, the EU should've unified fully and send in a single team. They didn't. If the four EU teams would've refused playing each other after reaching the semi-finals, they would've been disqualified, and the best quarter-finalist from the other countries would've been named the winner.

An apt parallel I think. The mafia families can play together and beat the town. However, if they wanted a unified victory, they should've all unified themselves fully by joining a single family during the game. The rules allow it, but it didn't happen. And similarly again, if they would've refused to play on (ie family v family) after killing all townies, they would all get disqualified (WoG'ed). Meaning a town win by default. So at some point the mafia war had to begin, voluntarily or unvoluntarily.

Louis was right. One family heeded my advice. They will win. :book:

[Kagemusha]

A combined mafia victory was never possible, CA. The game mechanics don't allow it.

At the last footbal (soccer) World Cup, the final four remaining teams were all from the EU. This led to some boasting about an 'EU victory'. For those identifying with the EU maybe morally it was, but not in fact. If the EU wanted a unified victory, the EU should've unified fully and send in a single team. They didn't. If the four EU teams would've refused playing each other after reaching the semi-finals, they would've been disqualified, and the best quarter-finalist from the other countries would've been named the winner.

An apt parallel I think. The mafia families can play together and beat the town. However, if they wanted a unified victory, they should've all unified themselves fully by joining a single family during the game. The rules allow it, but it didn't happen. And similarly again, if they would've refused to play on (ie family v family) after killing all townies, they would all get disqualified (WoG'ed). Meaning a town win by default. So at some point the mafia war had to begin, voluntarily or unvoluntarily.

Louis was right. One family heeded my advice. They will win. :book:

It was either town or one of the families. If it was town, i congratulate for an succesful hit. If it was a baskstab, it will doom the trecherous family. Your logic is flawed, aggression will only give death in this kind of situation.

[Proletariat]

Kage, what do you mean? Two of the remaining families are doomed anyway. You really think there's some truce still?

Vote: Kage

[Kagemusha]

Kage, what do you mean? Two of the remaining families are doomed anyway. You really think there's some truce still?

Vote: Kage

So you think Prole. Town is doomed if anything is doomed.

[Proletariat]

Yeah, the town lost. Just like two of the three families will. Not sure why you're pretending there's another possible ending.

[Kagemusha]

Yeah, the town lost. Just like two of the three families will. Not sure why you're pretending there's another possible ending.

Im not pretending anything. All i can say is that i didnt kill don Tataglia. Either it was town,trying to drive us and Cunnio against each other, or Cunnio, which would be very stupid of Cunnio.

[TinCow]

Well, it couldn't have been town. The hit was by 2 people. That means that it was a mafia hit. Under the somewhat bizarre circumstances of the current end-game situation, I could see the possibility of Seamus allowing a "town mafia" family to be created, but even that would require two Mades, to allow for a "town Don" before the family could operate with two person kills.

Even assuming that the town had multiple wiseguys on hand with enough kills ready to move immediately up to Made status, they still would have had to make at least two kills in three person groups to get two people up to Made level. The town simply didn't have time to achieve this. By the nature of the fact that it was a 2 person hit, the hit HAD to be carried out by the mafia. Obviously they declined to leave a calling card because they did not want to identify themselves so blatantly. So, the question is simply which family did it, not whether it was mafia or town.

[Kagemusha]

Well, it couldn't have been town. The hit was by 2 people. That means that it was a mafia hit. Under the somewhat bizarre circumstances of the current end-game situation, I could see the possibility of Seamus allowing a "town mafia" family to be created, but even that would require two Mades, to allow for a "town Don" before the family could operate with two person kills.

Even assuming that the town had multiple wiseguys on hand with enough kills ready to move immediately up to Made status, they still would have had to make at least two kills in three person groups to get two people up to Made level. The town simply didn't have time to achieve this. By the nature of the fact that it was a 2 person hit, the hit HAD to be carried out by the mafia. Obviously they declined to leave a calling card because they did not want to identify themselves so blatantly. So, the question is simply which family did it, not whether it was mafia or town.

Each family has a signature.You cant leave it out from a hit.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote:shlin,Vote:Cauis

Must make sure the town is eliminated.

[Xehh II]

I am Vote: Kagemusha

[Sigurd]

I guess a made and a wiseguy can successfully kill.

Me thinks the mafia should go through the list of vig nights to see which of the townies that have participated in enough killings to reach a status where they can operate in twos.

There must be a reason Seamus made that initial mistake and one would be that it normally wouldn't succeed.

[Kagemusha]

I am Vote: Kagemusha

Arent you a Cunnio?

[TinCow]

Each family has a signature.You cant leave it out from a hit.

I'll take your word for it. The 'taunt' left by the killers does seem somewhat familiar with the early game hit on Andres that was later edited out because he was Director. I know we were talking about this a few (game) days ago. Didn't that hit have a similar comment said to the victim? If I remember correctly, it said something about Don Barzini. I have no idea who belongs to what family anymore, so I can't point any fingers at a particular person or persons, but if you're right and a calling card is mandatory, my money would be on whoever it was that tried to off Andres early on.

[TinCow]

There must be a reason Seamus made that initial mistake and one would be that it normally wouldn't succeed.

The mistake seems clear to me. The original version sounded like a failure due to luck, which we all know that Dons have the first time they are attacked while unprotected. Since Elite Ferret was never attacked before N13, that should apply to him... unless it only applies to people who started the game as Dons. If EF's original Don was killed and he rose to that position, he probably wouldn't have gotten the luck ability that all starting Dons had. Thus, Seamus probably just forgot that EF wasn't a starting Don and gave him a survival by luck that he shouldn't have had. Of course, this assumes that EF wasn't a stating Don. Again, I have no idea who is in what family, so if EF was a starting Don, you can add a +1 to the "really confused observers" column.

[Kagemusha]

I'll take your word for it. The 'taunt' left by the killers does seem somewhat familiar with the early game hit on Andres that was later edited out because he was Director. I know we were talking about this a few (game) days ago. Didn't that hit have a similar comment said to the victim? If I remember correctly, it said something about Don Barzini. I have no idea who belongs to what family anymore, so I can't point any fingers at a particular person or persons, but if you're right and a calling card is mandatory, my money would be on whoever it was that tried to off Andres early on.

That hit was a "favour" hit. Each Don had a favour that they could collect from one other Don. I had to give my made investigations results to Tataglia as a favour. Don Cunnio made that hit as a "favour" for me.

[FactionHeir]

The town might just be wanting to frame a mafia family for the hit.
Note that a sniper rifle was used as in previous hits that occurred.
Secondly, the town might still have a serial killer pro town who paired up with a bystander townie (who would have no input in the kill other than be present) to make the kill and have it appear as a mafia hit.

[Andres]

That hit was a "favour" hit. Each Don had a favour that they could collect from one other Don. I had to give my made investigations results to Tataglia as a favour. Don Cunnio made that hit as a "favour" for me.

Why did you want me dead so early in the game? I thought you loved me :bigcry:

[Myrddraal]

The mistake seems clear to me. The original version sounded like a failure due to luck, which we all know that Dons have the first time they are attacked while unprotected.

No way, the mistake was a Luca protection clearly. Someone pulled up in a car, pushed a girl to take the bullet. EF leapt in, and drove off. The driver said "Sorry about the girl" EF says "That's ok".

But obviously the mistake was simple, the Luca was not protecting his Don. It seems to me that someone knew that EF would not be protected, and informed one of the other families. Finally some proper, cunning play.

If this is the case (and it's only a theory, but it would be cool if it was), then I say bravo! you deserve to win Don Capitano :bow:

[Craterus]

Im not pretending anything. All i can say is that i didnt kill don Tataglia. Either it was town,trying to drive us and Cunnio against each other, or Cunnio, which would be very stupid of Cunnio.

Kage, I gave you my word and I kept it. My family did not attack Elite Ferret.

We used our one (and only) possible hit on Norwegian Nerd (EDIT: as was agreed) and the Cunnio calling card has now been seen for the first time in the game. We use crossbows (and oddly enough, planned to drop roses at all the deaths, but since that's your signature, I guess Seamus has omitted that part of the family signature - clearly we think alike). My family does not use guns, we did not kill EF.

[Ferret]

You must have done, Seamus would not have let Kage change his sig for this kill, the town cannot kill with just two people and your sig has never been seen before. You killed me and should be lynched for it.

edit: my luca died ages ago as everyone should know as a detective had results on her.

[TinCow]

That hit was a "favour" hit. Each Don had a favour that they could collect from one other Don. I had to give my made investigations results to Tataglia as a favour. Don Cunnio made that hit as a "favour" for me.

Ah, that finally explains the comment that confused us townies for a long time. "Prego Don Barzini (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1829097&postcount=973)" was a statement saying you're welcome for fulfilling your favor. Is it possible that the EF hit was also a favor being called in by another family? You say that Barzini and Tataglia used their favors, and Stracchi is dead. However, that still leaves Corleone (who apparently still have some members left) and Cunnio. Perhaps the Corleone people did the hit as a favor for Cunnio, or vice versa?

[Kagemusha]

Why did you want me dead so early in the game? I thought you loved me :bigcry:

Maybe i wanted the attacker or atleast one of them dead. you were protected that night by your guards as you were a director. Or maybe i just made a honest mistake by using my favor on target that was automatically protected. or maybe i just wanted to see what would happen.~;)

[shlin28]

Vote Kage, die mafia die! (We can't lynch directors right? Grrrrr...)

If anyone wants to attack me, try to do that :yes:. This doctor still has several tricks up my sleeves... :beam:

[Kagemusha]

Ah, that finally explains the comment that confused us townies for a long time. "Prego Don Barzini (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1829097&postcount=973)" was a statement saying you're welcome for fulfilling your favor. Is it possible that the EF hit was also a favor being called in by another family? You say that Barzini and Tataglia used their favors, and Stracchi is dead. However, that still leaves Corleone (who apparently still have some members left) and Cunnio. Perhaps the Corleone people did the hit as a favor for Cunnio, or vice versa?

Thats possible in theory.but only the original Dons could call in the favors, so that leaves us with only the Cunnio in theory, since the Corleone Don is dead.

[Caius]

Vote:Kagemusha

If I'm still alive, this vote goes to you. Because I'm such a good guy :beam:

[Kagemusha]

Vote:Kagemusha

If I'm still alive, this vote goes to you. Because I'm such a good guy :beam:

FOS Caius, clear bandwagon.:laugh4: Am i now the main evil in the eyes of town?You do also remember that you can lynch a director?:smash:

[Crazed Rabbit]

2 killers + dead target = mafia hit

:beam:

Funny how some mafiosos don't see the end of it yet.

CR

[Caius]

FOS Caius
What's the point? FOS Teh Evil Mafia

[Kagemusha]

What's the point? FOS Teh Evil Mafia

:inquisitive:

[Ferret]

FoS Craterus and his family, they broke the truce.

[Drisos]

Craterus: :bow:

[Andres]

FoS: the townies who are trying to mess up the minds of decent, honest and hard working mafiosi.

[shlin28]

:beam:

[Caius]

FoS: the townies who are trying to mess up the minds of decent, honest and hard working mafiosi.
:bow:

[Craterus]

FoS Craterus and his family, they broke the truce.

Elite Ferret, I put this to you: Who killed NN? I have only two members in my family. That gives us one kill. It had to be NN, crossbows have not been seen in the game until this stage.

Kage has two kills at his disposal, one (AFAIK) is accounted for.

Also, and I promise you this, the Cunnio family signature DID contain roses (originally, we had a crossbow bolt with a red rose tied to it) and now that we've had our first kill, Seamus may have removed the rose part for both families so as to avoid (or create?) confusion.

Fact is, I could not possibly have killed you. I told you both in PM that I would be going after Norwegian_Nerd and he is now dead. No-one else has claimed this kill and no-one else can claim the kill signature that was used on him. Your death clearly came from elsewhere and I'm looking at Kage.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Elite Ferret, I put this to you: Who killed NN? I have only two members in my family. That gives us one kill. It had to be NN, crossbows have not been seen in the game until this stage.

Kage has two kills at his disposal, one (AFAIK) is accounted for.

Also, and I promise you this, the Cunnio family signature DID contain roses (originally, we had a crossbow bolt with a red rose tied to it) and now that we've had our first kill, Seamus may have removed the rose part for both families so as to avoid (or create?) confusion.

Fact is, I could not possibly have killed you. I told you both in PM that I would be going after Norwegian_Nerd and he is now dead. No-one else has claimed this kill and no-one else can claim the kill signature that was used on him. Your death clearly came from elsewhere and I'm looking at Kage.

There was no rose left in the elite ferret write up. We were not responsible.

[gibsonsg91921]

Unvote: Shlin28 Vote: Kagemusha

[Craterus]

There was no rose left in the elite ferret write up. We were not responsible.

There was no rose left in ours. However, that message I sent so long ago clearly said "We will use crossbows with a rose attached to the bolt or left in the victim's breast pocket of their suit."

However, I don't think I have the PM anymore, inbox has been frantic for the past month. So, we are stuck without an explanation. At least until the end game.

[Kagemusha]

We couldnt have killed EliteFerrets.We have to leave a rose to all our kills,simple as that. Also i wouldnt give away my protection to kill anyone.EDIT: Craterus,you cant use our insignia, so missing your roses is waste of time.

[TinCow]

If anyone knows and doesn't mind telling, who are/were the "Italian Destiny" family? Those guys were my #1 fear for a long time, but now we're down to roses and crossbows, so they seem to have disappeared.

[Craterus]

Firstly Kage, you made it quite clear to everyone that attacking you would be fruitless. This certainly made it fairly risk-free to go killing last night.

As for the rose: I have already said that a rose was part of my own family's kill signature. I asked you a few days ago if you had sent in about roses because, as my family had not killed at that point, I did not know if the kill signatures had been randomised through the families. I wanted to find out if you had been assigned roses, or really had chosen them because, believe it or not, I really did choose roses for us too. Red ones though.

Now that my family has entered into the business of killing, there will be 2 family signatures with roses. Seamus may have decided to abandon that part of the signature. I don't see why not.

[Kagemusha]

If anyone knows and doesn't mind telling, who are/were the "Italian Destiny" family? Those guys were my #1 fear for a long time, but now we're down to roses and crossbows, so they seem to have disappeared.

Its the Tataglia, i bet they can tell themselves who they are. Currently im puzzled about these events.I have been voted by one Cunnio and one Tataglia,what are you people doing? Specially Gibsons? Did you betray your own family for Cunnio´s?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There was only one rose left. All the barzini kills have had a rose. So you suggest craterus, that seamus decided that one barzini kill tonight would leave a rose and the other wouldn't? Your story is full of holes :bow:

[Kagemusha]

Firstly Kage, you made it quite clear to everyone that attacking you would be fruitless. This certainly made it fairly risk-free to go killing last night.

As for the rose: I have already said that a rose was part of my own family's kill signature. I asked you a few days ago if you had sent in about roses because, as my family had not killed at that point, I did not know if the kill signatures had been randomised through the families. I wanted to find out if you had been assigned roses, or really had chosen them because, believe it or not, I really did choose roses for us too. Red ones though.

Now that my family has entered into the business of killing, there will be 2 family signatures with roses. Seamus may have decided to abandon that part of the signature. I don't see why not.

Well what part you dont understand? We cant kill without our insignia, was our insignia on ferrets corpse? And why is your guy voting me? It seems you have had a pretty nice plan to get rid of us other Dons.

[Craterus]

I have PM'd Xehh, no answer yet. I'm not sure what he's doing.

Hmm, I meant to check if a rose had been left on your other target. Crossbow was used on NN, but not on EF. It was nothing to do with the Cunnio. Perhaps the EF kill needs to be re-read looking for 4 participants?

[Pannonian]

Could Kage's family have killed Elite Ferret as a called-on favour for another family? This would explain the original description with the rose, but also the new description with the message. I don't know if they're allowed to reveal whom they did it for, but if they did, who should be blamed? Kage for killing Ferret, or the other Don for calling in this favour?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Could Kage's family have killed Elite Ferret as a called-on favour for another family? This would explain the original description with the rose, but also the new description with the message. I don't know if they're allowed to reveal whom they did it for, but if they did, who should be blamed? Kage for killing Ferret, or the other Don for calling in this favour?

The original description didn't have a rose, it had elite ferret surviving after being protected.

[TruePraetorian]

Hmm...interesting.

Kage, you have the word of the Cunnio that our hit was on NN. We invited one of yours (we discussed this) to kill with us, but you didnt want him infaltrating us. Ask him for the PM that will prove that we didnt do it.

Also, I thought of the bloody rose. Ask CA, in a PM he and I laughed about it, saying great minds think alike. Craterus suggested a crossbow. I personally wanted Cunnio carved into it, but Craterus suggested that would distract from the killing. So, there you have it. CA can prove that i already told him we had a rose too, and you yourself can ask ---- (no name sorry town :laugh4:) to send you the "night orders".

So there are two possibiltys. 1. The barzini killed EF in an attempt to accuse the Cunnio. They were doing this so that the remaining Tatagalia allied with them.
2. The town has people we know nothing of. Perhaps 3 wiseguys, or maybe a rogue killer?

Either way, EF died, and it was not at the hands of the Cunnio.

[Kagemusha]

Could Kage's family have killed Elite Ferret as a called-on favour for another family? This would explain the original description with the rose, but also the new description with the message. I don't know if they're allowed to reveal whom they did it for, but if they did, who should be blamed? Kage for killing Ferret, or the other Don for calling in this favour?

I owed our favor to Tataglia and Tataglia has got it in form off our made investigations.Don Tataglia can confirm this.maybe the Don Cunnio would be so kind and tell who owed them a favor and has it been collected?

[Craterus]

Long ago. And it was wasted. Don Tataglia owed me the favour.

[Pannonian]

The original description didn't have a rose, it had elite ferret surviving after being protected.
Didn't it? Then what's all this talk about roses? Can someone with more inside knowledge explain?

[Kagemusha]

Long ago. And it was wasted. Don Tataglia owed me the favour.

Thats your answer? I guess we have found the backstabber.:shame:

[FactionHeir]

Are people ignoring what I posted? :inquisitive:

[Pannonian]

Thats your answer? I guess we have found the backstabber.:shame:
So it was Craterus calling on Don Tataglia? Who is Tataglia, anyway?

[Craterus]

Elite Ferret is Don Tataglia, he can tell you. But if you're going to accuse me based on such a thing. I asked for the death of kamikhaan. Believing him to be in charge of a vigilante group, I thought it was a good idea. Turns out Prole (my second choice) would have been a much better idea.

[Kagemusha]

Elite Ferret is Don Tataglia, he can tell you. But if you're going to accuse me based on such a thing. I asked for the death of kamikhaan. Believing him to be in charge of a vigilante group, I thought it was a good idea. Turns out Prole (my second choice) would have been a much better idea.

Thanks for giving a decent answer.

[Pannonian]

Elite Ferret is Don Tataglia, he can tell you. But if you're going to accuse me based on such a thing. I asked for the death of kamikhaan. Believing him to be in charge of a vigilante group, I thought it was a good idea. Turns out Prole (my second choice) would have been a much better idea.
But there was no mention of favours in the description of kamikhaan's death, and that was the only attack he'd experienced. How does that match up with your claim of kami being Tataglia's favour for you?

[Kommodus]

Seamus has pointed out multiple times that the game is not over. The town may yet have weapons at its disposal that the mafia know nothing of.

If a Don is lynched today, I suspect that the last Don will be murdered during the night, resulting in a townie victory. :shame:

[Craterus]

Uh because I can remember what happened? He got lanced. And I'm fairly sure the kill even said that he seemed an unlikely target. Haven't checked.

Also, why would I have saved my favour until this point in the game? They need to be used early or risk becoming obsolete.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Mafia:

What on earth are you doing??!?!

This is nuts. At least keep it together long enough to kill all the townies first.

[Pannonian]

Uh because I can remember what happened? He got lanced. And I'm fairly sure the kill even said that he seemed an unlikely target. Haven't checked.

Also, why would I have saved my favour until this point in the game? They need to be used early or risk becoming obsolete.
The kill was done by the Italian destiny group, whatever that was. Was that a mark of a favour? Can the other Dons confirm that the destiny group is the work of families carrying out their favours?

If Craterus' story is confirmed, then this still means EF was killed on the orders of another Don, but no-one knows which, nor who ordered it. Unless, that is, the Dons pipe up themselves, which isn't likely. A comparison of favours asked and favours owed may be useful here, although it may be more difficult to confirm early kills, since the actors may be dead and unable to confirm anything now.

[scottishranger]

I assure you Pann, Tataglia are the Italian Destiny Group.

[Kagemusha]

Mafia:

What on earth are you doing??!?!

This is nuts. At least keep it together long enough to kill all the townies first.

Quoted for the truth. look at those people who are currently voting mafia. I really wonder whats up with them. I think im the only mafia player together with Sasaki voting town.

[Craterus]

Omanes has said this so I think I'm ok to re-iterate.

To my knowledge, each Don was owed one favour and owed one favour to another Don. Oddly enough, mine went to EF (on kamikhaan) and Kage's came to me (Andres). Unless EF took the hit out on himself, this wasn't the product of a favour.

[TruePraetorian]

Vote: Caius

Again, the mafia has spoken :whip:

[Dutch_guy]

Mafia:

What on earth are you doing??!?!

This is nuts. At least keep it together long enough to kill all the townies first.

Yeah, I doubt many realise Kage has about three votes on him at the moment. Not necessary with the still living townies, now is it ?

:balloon2:

[Pannonian]

Omanes has said this so I think I'm ok to re-iterate.

To my knowledge, each Don was owed one favour and owed one favour to another Don. Oddly enough, mine went to EF (on kamikhaan) and Kage's came to me (Andres). Unless EF took the hit out on himself, this wasn't the product of a favour.
If that's so, then the only answer must be whichever family whose trademark hasn't been seen before.

FWIW, the message translates as (according to googletranslate) "The captain, with love".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

kage 5 (prole, xehh,shlin,caius,gibson)
cauis 3 (kage,sasaki,truePraetorian)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If that's so, then the only answer must be whichever family whose trademark hasn't been seen before.

FWIW, the message translates as (according to googletranslate) "The captain, with love".

You are allowed variations upon your calling card. Yellow rose, white rose, black rose etc.

[TruePraetorian]

To prove it, we will kill one of you annoying townie rats tonight. We will of course tell Barzini and Tat who it is, so they can watch for the Calling Card. That will prove it.

[Drisos]

Finish the remaining town? Those 3 leftover innocents? lol.. you have bigger threats on your own side. I still wonder who and how they did it, but it must've been a mafia hit on EF. Why? well, look at the remaining pro-town's. Their roles. They aren't capable of killing with 2 people. No matter how strange it must be that EF was killed by mafia, it's the only option.

btw, fine tally

[FactionHeir]

It seems I really am being ignored.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Is there a blank, empty post for anyone else right above this one? Must be some board error.

[Pannonian]

You are allowed variations upon your calling card. Yellow rose, white rose, black rose etc.
So whose calling card would that "Dal Capitano" message be?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Is there a blank, empty post for anyone else right above this one? Must be some board error.

I see FactionHeir's post.

Do I have to report you to Andres for being offensive...:devilish:

[Caius]

Is there a blank, empty post for anyone else right above this one? Must be some board error.
Neither do I see a post.

[Ironside]

So there are two possibiltys. 1. The barzini killed EF in an attempt to accuse the Cunnio. They were doing this so that the remaining Tatagalia allied with them.
2. The town has people we know nothing of. Perhaps 3 wiseguys, or maybe a rogue killer?


Bah, no luck surviving tonight. :thumbsdown:

3. A few mafia (and/or wise guys) got some special objectives that involves eliminating all dons to become a new family with an own don. That would probably mean that lynching dons at this point is bad for all of you mafia, before you can figure out who was doing what. :book:
IIRC the wolf had to eliminate all dons last capo, so Seamus might've put something like that in this round. He seems to like groups with special roles this time around.

Mafia would certainly explain how the killers knew that 4 lucas were dead and that the fourth luca was EF:s.

TP you mentioned that Craterus lacked a luca, making me trying to find out in vain who the two remaining lucas was. No idea to attack dons if they're defended by lucas aren't it? Killing lucas would open up the field if some mafia family wanted to brake the peace (and someone certainly did), while killing dons would only get the town closer to the final loss.

Didn't have enough time and people to arrange a vig kill to get one of those luca candidate to open up the endgame though, in case you wonder what the town was up to. :no:

But this was a nice surprise. :beam:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So whose calling card would that "Dal Capitano" message be?

Is dal capitano italian? I don't know languages very well.

[Andres]

Is dal capitano italian?

Yes, it is.

[Pannonian]

Is dal capitano italian? I don't know languages very well.
Check with Babelfish or Googletranslate. GT translates it as "The captain, with amor".

[Andres]

Dal Capitano, con amor = From the Captain, with love.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, it is.

Makes you wonder.

[CountArach]

Vote: Caius

[Makanyane]

Don't shoot me if I've got the numbers wrong (too late for that) but on rough tally from the story thread Rose mafia and Destiny mafia had 7 successful kills each. Most of those 14 were later confirmed as townie pests.

Cunnio's according to their own story here finally decided to turn up and put there sig on a killing last night.

Thanks for all the help securing the mafia win you'd now like to share guys... :thumbsup:



Now could someone actually remember to get rid of the obvious remaining townies before it turns into a sad tale of mutual destruction?

[Leet Eriksson]

Vote Caius

[gibsonsg91921]

Kage, I wouldn't be so surprised why I voted for you, considering you and your family killed my Don.

TinCow, you were right to fear the Italian Destiny gang - after Myrddraal, your surgeon, you were next. Too bad you got lynched and I never got revenge, haha.

[Kagemusha]

Kage, I wouldn't be so surprised why I voted for you, considering you and your family killed my Don.

TinCow, you were right to fear the Italian Destiny gang - after Myrddraal, your surgeon, you were next. Too bad you got lynched and I never got revenge, haha.

In what do you base that? Thats nonsense and you know that.If i would have killed your Don,our mark would have been left there.Funny that not even your Don is not accusing me,but you are? All the mafia will vote Caius,are you a traitor townie? Im bit confused about this.

[Joe Monks]

Die traitor. Vote: Caius

[Caius]

RIP Caius, great fighter of the Fatlington cause.

[TinCow]

In what do you base that? Thats nonsense and you know that.If i would have killed your Don,our mark would have been left there.Funny that not even your Don is not accusing me,but you are? All the mafia will vote Caius,are you a traitor townie? Im bit confused about this.

You are being surprisingly naive for a Don who has lasted so long. Cunnio killed EF and they're trying to frame you for it. It appears that they have at least 4 members other than their Don. With Craterus as Director, their Luca was free to kill last night, allowing them to get 2 hits in. One was whichever townie they claim to have offed, the other was EF which they somehow disguised the calling card on. They will probably switch their votes to you en-masse at the last minute to get you lynched. That will leave them with both opposing Dons dead in one Night/Day cycle, and with their Don in the Director spot. With at least 4 other members, they can do two kills at night, which will allow them to gut the remaining Barzini tonight. After tonight, Cunnio will be the only group in the game able to make kills at night. Game over, victory Cunnio.

[Craterus]

Erm, TinCow, two things:

1) Lucas can't kill alone
2) My Luca is dead

[TinCow]

Fine, but by my count you still have 4 people other than yourself. Mades can kill with wiseguys, so a Luca is not required.

[Craterus]

Kage has 4 people other than himself. Neither of us is in a position to win this. There's a reason for the truce, you know, and the remaining townies are priority #1 of course.

[shlin28]

Bah you mafia cowards, can't even put up a proper fight . :furious3:

[Kagemusha]

You are being surprisingly naive for a Don who has lasted so long. Cunnio killed EF and they're trying to frame you for it. It appears that they have at least 4 members other than their Don. With Craterus as Director, their Luca was free to kill last night, allowing them to get 2 hits in. One was whichever townie they claim to have offed, the other was EF which they somehow disguised the calling card on. They will probably switch their votes to you en-masse at the last minute to get you lynched. That will leave them with both opposing Dons dead in one Night/Day cycle, and with their Don in the Director spot. With at least 4 other members, they can do two kills at night, which will allow them to gut the remaining Barzini tonight. After tonight, Cunnio will be the only group in the game able to make kills at night. Game over, victory Cunnio.

There is 3 of Cunnios. You almost got us against each other with your stunt.Good job remaining town.

[Pannonian]

Does everyone know which way the wiseguys are aligned? If they're not all accounted for, wouldn't they be rather "useful" for families with an odd number of killing members? Ie. we only have 3 members, thus we can only manage 1 kill - neglecting to mention the loose wiseguy who can up this to 2.

[Twilightblade]

Well seeing as I've missed a bit I'll Vote:Kage due to prompting

[TruePraetorian]

Well, seeing as i dont want to be left out...


Unvote: Caius
Vote: Kagemusha



Die mafia scum! :whip:

[scottishranger]

Sorry Kag, its just business
Vote: Kage

kage 8 (prole, xehh,shlin,caius,gibson,TwilightBlade, scottishranger,truePraetorian)
cauis 5 (kage,sasaki,Joe Monks,CountArach,LeetErickon)

[Pannonian]

Well, seeing as i dont want to be left out...


Unvote: Caius
Vote: Kagemusha



Die mafia scum! :whip:
Are you one of the remnants of the Tataglia?

I've been wondering about mafia on mafia hits, and whether they have to leave calling cards in these cases. It might be worth checking up with Seamus on this, and if it turns out they don't need to leave signs, then those thusly proving their innocence would look very dubious indeed.