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Just be a neanderthal like me and manually quote when you need.
I need to ascend to pure werewolf bliss and just never quote anything and only use two or three sentences per post
Montmorency
04-27-2022, 01:35
Just be a neanderthal like me and manually quote when you need.
There are so many posts today I would like to Thank.
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 01:35
I guess in all fairness I would totally troll if I got the bomb
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:35
You're not a villa rand?
Is this real? :stare:
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 01:37
Is this real? :stare:
Mont seems to think wolfing in thread is alignment indicative
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:37
It's way better than MU. They recently updated it so if you press a bunch of + and then quote a post the quoted post goes to the top and it's all out of whack. It frustrates me at least twice a game there lol
oh same tbh. I think I posted about it somewhere but it didn't do anything and it's a pita
It's a weird game. I was correct about Ladd, Monstr, Newcomb, Zack, and Csargo which is like, a great list of people to actually take stands on and be right, and yet I'm sitting here alive wondering "oh no am I playing badly where am I wrong" because werewolf really gets into my brain in a weird way.
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 01:38
lol me. I was about to reply to this question.
I'd prefer it if you did
oh same tbh. I think I posted about it somewhere but it didn't do anything and it's a pita
The story of that is hilarious.
I was in a game with Makaze. Makaze tried to use the multiquote feature and it got hung or something. She they just ... went in and changed how it works to the new way lol. Mid game.
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 01:39
It's a weird game. I was correct about Ladd, Monstr, Newcomb, Zack, and Csargo which is like, a great list of people to actually take stands on and be right, and yet I'm sitting here alive wondering "oh no am I playing badly where am I wrong" because werewolf really gets into my brain in a weird way.
Just suck like I do next time
allows you to be free at the hope of being right on 1 eventual read
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:39
Mont seems to think wolfing in thread is alignment indicative
well yeah, I am shitposting a bit waiting for Blade's shot. But I don't think he can miss it's a joke, and I hardly understand how you can seriously infer that from my post? Unless he is joking himself too, in which case lol.
anyway I think it's Monty/Ender now and will reeval if it's harder smh and one of them flips green
Just suck like I do next time
allows you to be free at the hope of being right on 1 eventual read
I don't think you've sucked at all. I think your opinions have been entirely reasonable throughout the game and I've vibed with you a lot (not that it's alignment indicative for you cause we basically are the same player a lot of the times lol)
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 01:41
well yeah, I am shitposting a bit waiting for Blade's shot. But I don't think he can miss it's a joke, and I hardly understand how you can seriously infer that from my post? Unless he is joking himself too, in which case lol.
anyway I think it's Monty/Ender now and will reeval if it's harder smh and one of them flips green
tbh the longer ender goes without bombing the more I town read him
like if I were wolf here with a vest I'd probably thrown down a shitpost or two and then blow up the pr and call it a day
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:43
I've punched the numbers into my calculator and it spat me out a name.
Which makes it a terrible calculator, but exactly what I needed.
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:44
But I'm also a poetic man, so I can't have it end on a bad number.
you're good dobby! I thought you'd be happy to game more since you said you had more time on day 3. Sorry to have disappointed you
lmao
i meant so i can read who i kill and then be done and still happy that i played a mafia game and feeling kinda happy throughout and not stressede and like i should do things but im being useless and only talking about being useful but im not :wowee:
(thats not supposed to make snese i think, keep ignoring me ppl)
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:44
I'd prefer it if you did
rolleyes. reread EOD1. reread the part where Monstr the wolf goes off after he reads MY POSTS. GO read the posts where I sussed Ender. Go read the posts where I flip flop on Newcomb the villa but instead stick to Monty because I feel he is a hit. Go read my ISO, you will remember :p
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:44
I've punched the numbers into my calculator and it spat me out a name.
Which makes it a terrible calculator, but exactly what I needed.
let me guess. It's Sunbae?
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 01:45
I don't think you've sucked at all. I think your opinions have been entirely reasonable throughout the game and I've vibed with you a lot (not that it's alignment indicative for you cause we basically are the same player a lot of the times lol)
So you say
im scared of the next time I rand wolf. It’s been too long since I’ve had to do so in a real game and I feel like my village game has really grown a lot recently? That I’m not sure I can really match
especially when I see all the great performances in champs, like Alexa, thunal, boquise, JC, etc. they do things as wolves I just don’t see myself capable of doing
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:45
I'll remind you all that I can't get a number because the calculator gives names, but I still got a number somehow. Who knows how.
So you say
im scared of the next time I rand wolf. It’s been too long since I’ve had to do so in a real game and I feel like my village game has really grown a lot recently? That I’m not sure I can really match
especially when I see all the great performances in champs, like Alexa, thunal, boquise, JC, etc. they do things as wolves I just don’t see myself capable of doing
now you know why ive been saying "idk why i did champs its above my paygrade" lol! ima get smoked but my goal is to have at least one shitpost that dvc loves
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 01:46
I'll remind you all that I can't get a number because the calculator gives names, but I still got a number somehow. Who knows how.
Was it 1610?
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:46
tbh the longer ender goes without bombing the more I town read him
like if I were wolf here with a vest I'd probably thrown down a shitpost or two and then blow up the pr and call it a day
maybe. There was a post where I thought he was NOT a wolf a moment ago. but just one.
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:47
The number was...
D o l b y
Wait that's not a number!
I've been scammed!
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:47
<3
I think I already know who I'm bombing but I'm not yet ready to depart so I'm gonna chill and see if I change my mind.
this one HK
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 01:47
now you know why ive been saying "idk why i did champs its above my paygrade" lol! ima get smoked but my goal is to have at least one shitpost that dvc loves
Nah
you are gonna crush it no matter the rand
Was it 1610?
hahanice.jpg
is anyone actually solving rn or are we all just waiting for ender to yoink
(except for sunbae, solve it please and quickly)
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:48
but tbh I think it's just part of the trolling. Which is fair and well done Blade.
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:48
Minor update:
It appears the host is busy smashing a calculator.
Please enjoy the advertisements while we wait.
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 01:49
rolleyes. reread EOD1. reread the part where Monstr the wolf goes off after he reads MY POSTS. GO read the posts where I sussed Ender. Go read the posts where I flip flop on Newcomb the villa but instead stick to Monty because I feel he is a hit. Go read my ISO, you will remember :p
:GiantFingerGuns:
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:49
I am jealous
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 01:50
Minor update:
It appears the host is busy smashing a calculator.
Please enjoy the advertisements while we wait.
Be nice. His results all come in upside down so he’s got to take time rebuilding it in the proper order
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:50
Enjoy OMGUS, for those of you out there who hate being voted!
Guaranteed to catch wolves that consider you LHF.
Great to convince town you have integrity.
Awesome at making you feel self righteous even when you're wrong.
We cover you for one whole year at the first purchase!
* Warranty only includes fault of the product itself and takes no responsibility for people's reactions to you.
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:51
Alright, sorry for the short intermission.
I just realised the calculator I WAS using was only giving me dead people's names. Which is a little hard to explode.
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:52
Enjoy OMGUS, for those of you out there who hate being voted!
Guaranteed to catch wolves that consider you LHF.
Great to convince town you have integrity.
Awesome at making you feel self righteous even when you're wrong.
We cover you for one whole year at the first purchase!
* Warranty only includes fault of the product itself and takes no responsibility for people's reactions to you.
You should write an article about it on MU tbh :creep:
Enjoy OMGUS, for those of you out there who hate being voted!
Guaranteed to catch wolves that consider you LHF.
Great to convince town you have integrity.
Awesome at making you feel self righteous even when you're wrong.
We cover you for one whole year at the first purchase!
* Warranty only includes fault of the product itself and takes no responsibility for people's reactions to you.
this is a rollercoaster of emotions
i think i might die?
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:53
Okay, names have been updated with a live player list now.
My calculator should be done in... about 7 minutes.
I tried the fancy play
I do not have bomb. I don't think anyone actually interacted with that post I made which I find intriguing
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:54
We've evaluated many posts and decided on our great choice for a dancing contestant.
Well rounded, solid posting.
Towny positioning.
Only mildly sussed!
Wait, these sound like the wrong attributes again.
Fuck.
I tried the fancy play
I do not have bomb. I don't think anyone actually interacted with that post I made which I find intriguing
i was about to but then i saw that ender had the bomb
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:56
I tried the fancy play
I do not have bomb. I don't think anyone actually interacted with that post I made which I find intriguing
Sunbae outes Ender vested before you posted itt
EnderWiggin
04-27-2022, 01:58
? Look
If you had
One shot
Or one opportunity
To blow everything you ever wanted
In one moment
Would you press it
Or just let it slip?
Yo!
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, bombs are heavy,
There's a time on his sweater already, Sunbae's ready,
He's funny, but on the surface he looks calm and steady,
To drop bombs, but he keeps on forgetting,
Boom, it's over now! Everybody's jokin' now!
The clocks run out, times up, over, blaow
BOOM, BYE SCUM
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 01:58
This feels like EOD lol f5ing like a mad man
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 02:00
Boom bye Blade
This feels like EOD lol f5ing like a mad man
SAMR
https://previews.123rf.com/images/tawhy/tawhy1706/tawhy170600437/80055253-bomb-character-using-calculator-isolated-on-white-background.jpg
EnderWiggin has detonated. They were Mafia Goon.
Sunbae has died. They were Town Sorcerer.
Carry on.
SAMR
like if hes town i should 100% be the target cuz i cased him and voted him and stayed on him and he called it an omgus (even though i voted him first so lol)
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 02:02
Now can we kill Monty please
man I started thinking man
EnderWiggin has detonated. They were Mafia Goon.
Sunbae has died. They were Town Sorcerer.
Carry on.
sunbae fucking goat
you must wait 20 seconds between posts
ahh welp
my bad this game
I WANTED THAT AROUND EOD
same
i get to say i was right about something in a town game ever im so happy
i got some wim i might actually do some work
but not tonight its 3am
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:03
Gg sunbae, ender
vwp both of you
real buzzkill to be reminded you are in fact a mere mortal
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:04
Maybe wanna kill katze?
my reactionary take
will figure out more tomorrow prob
Vote: Monty
i dont even need to work all the dead townies did it for me
(monty cape and ender mightve actually been the magic trio)
i know i know ppl (zack) didnt want to include cape in that but i did
we're still at 8:1 which is good all things speaking but losing a flip feels bad
I tried the fancy play
I do not have bomb. I don't think anyone actually interacted with that post I made which I find intriguing
what were u even hoping for with that
Current Game Status:
Alive: (9/17)
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
Dead: (8/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.
9. EnderWiggin, Mafia Goon, detonated D3.
10. Sunbae, Town Sorcerer, exploded D3.
i mite b leveling myself but with ender defending cape day 1 i think cape is more likely than not v
also hollowkatt just a villager?
i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.
there are two things that ping me re: ender
1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.
i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.
2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.
Benneh's post #42 I took as a meme but I guess it worked to get some people into the game?
Sunbae calling themselves bad in #47 is a lie
ladd entering the game with #63 where he pops out a list of 5 reads is pretty uh let's call it impressive but my gut is poking at me to tell you i slight w lean that because it's... pretty much based on rvs stuff and dishing out reads or even a list like that feels more like "i should be in character so let me do this yeeeee". But yeah i blame my gut for this one.
EnderWiggins post #69 (nice) also had me thinking, because it's talking about how wolves usually behave early on but i feel like it's only situationally applicable and very much a "this is the consensus thought on how wolves play" but also, in a playerlist like this, pretty much everyone can just play the system and statements like that just end up being... words tbh.
Can i just bang on my own d1 drum a little
at least 3 of the statements/reads in my post there are true ( Sunbae love u lots ur the loveliest person i think )
i also quoted that post from benneh because i found it when i was looking from my post that i thought looked good
that post just clears benneh so my tinfoil is GONE for real this time, maybe the easyh way is just the easy way this game
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:14
https://previews.123rf.com/images/tawhy/tawhy1706/tawhy170600437/80055253-bomb-character-using-calculator-isolated-on-white-background.jpg
EnderWiggin has detonated. They were Mafia Goon.
Sunbae has died. They were Town Sorcerer.
Carry on.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I WAS RIGHT
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:15
anyways GG ender GG sunbae, may DVC be kind to you
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:15
Alright here's where I'm at.
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
9. EnderWiggin
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
2 wolves in 10 names. Start taking people off the list.
Bennah and cuth are my first cuts (i.e. strongest townreads). With bennah, it's that his approach to me has felt the most genuine out of anyone ITT. For cuth, it's that of the ladd voters he's the one where like... I know Cuth as a player pretty well, I think? I don't know monte or rask so I don't really have a mental map of what they would or wouldn't do. But in that situation if Cuth's partnered with ladd I just really don't believe Cuth as a player puts that vote down. Not with the speed that it happened. He just doesn't strike me as that... ruthless is maybe the wrong word. Mercurial?
I think I'm also just gonna let jesus take the wheel and take sleep off the list. This is mostly just a thread flow / thread state thing, and an overall body of work thing.
Raskolnikov
EnderWiggin
Montmorency
roro__b
katze
Cape90
hollowkatt
I feel pretty comfortable saying both wolves in there. Like if they're not, I got fooled, straight up. GG to whoever.
Technically I really only *need* one more name to call it a real PoE - village should control 6 more kills - but I know you're looking for more in the way of actual committed wolfreads. Which, yeah, fair. At the same time like... idk I kind of reserve the right to not *always* have a strong wolfread? I know the game seems like it should be easy on paper, but the ladd wagon was just so *weird* and so fast that I think it's perfectly reasonable to not have a strong sense of a lock solve even with 2 reds, 2 greens, and 2 confirmed on d2. So yeah part of me just wants to kind of be stubborn and go, nah, I'm not gonna force this. But I do know that if the tables were turned and I were in your shoes, that's what I'd want to see.
So let's take a swing at forcing it -
Rask - I see Rask as kind of ... jumpy. Flitting around from topic to topic. Uneven engagement levels. Trying to track a single line of thought - like their read on me, is confusing. You go from like, naysaying Ender's wall on me, to saying they found zack/me villagery at SoD2, to saying that EoD1 they could have voted me, to going through and picking a bunch of kind of random stuff to shade me for. I think this actually feels kind of TWTBTWTBAW? Just like, the... unevenness of it, the messiness of it. I skimmed through this ISO kind of looking for reasons to call rask a wolf but I think gun to my head they're just a villager. It's also like... pretty hard to get away from the fact that they could have easily voted me EoD1 and swung it onto a villager instead of the wolf PR, so like... yeah. Think I gotta just take that one off the table.
HK - Biggest thing for me with HK is that he just doesn't really feel like he's got a team. He's playing like... a bit removed from the thread, but I believe he cares about the things he's posting about. I also think he hasn't really changed tonally from before EoD/dolby dying, to after it, which like. If he were a wolf I feel like some of that body blow would leak through into the posting, since his thread position wouldn't be awesome. At the end of the day I wouldn't be like, *surprised* if he were a wolf, since the overall top down level of like, is he engaged with the game the same way bennah's engaged with the game? No, not really. But yeah gun to my head, villager.
Katze - I think I'm just gonna say wolf. They way they were interacting with me, was gonna say early on but really all game, is just so *weird*. Like some of that can be explained by the miscommunication in them thinking I knew their meta or w/e, but not all of it. They've just felt so like... softly yet continually focused on me, to the extent where it feels like they know I have to die to town KP at some point for wolves to win. Just kind of a steady, "hey guys remember Newcomb, it seems like the thread hasn't talked about Newcomb in a while, let's talk about Newcomb like MAYBE he's a villager but MAN I don't KNOW". I admit some of this is wanting to be vindicated in my early read. But yeah if I had a bomb right now I think I'd go for the mildly hero shot and take it, knowing it wasn't like the most high percentage shot ever. But fuck it right? I could tack on - and it's definitely a tack-on - the fact that katze is posting a lot and generally around a fair bit and I can't off the top of my head know what he thinks about the game or who he wants to kill the same way I can track like, sleep or zack. Which, yeah, that could absolutely just be my own casualness this game seeping through, I freely admit I'm not paying attention to things to a degree where this would be a real red flag. But it's worth mentioning at least.
Monte - Yeah kind of think monte has a pretty decent chance of flipping red as well? Like, if he hadn't done two things - those things being the vote on ladd, and the aesthetically pleasing recent quote wall - you'd just kind of write him off as a monssr/dolby style "yeah probably just wolf fine PoE ez". The ladd vote was the 2nd one, the winston vote had been there for a while, so like, it kinda.... started the flashwagon, as opposed to finishing it or cementing it. And it did happen real, real fast. And there was the unvote. Which I don't think makes it likely a bus on its *own*, but I do think it puts what normally would be a pretty clearing vote in a normal game where the ladd wagon built and grew in a normal amount of time as opposed to like, literally 5 minutes or w/e. It wouldn't shock me at all if a hipfire/ gutty wolf threw down a distancing vote on a partner near EoD where wagons were that disorganized, and couldn't really hop off or saw the writing on the wall too late to do anything. Then there's the most recent flurry of posts. Which... I had a kind of negative reaction to, but have been trying to check myself on it since a lot of it was a visceral opposition to the whole wanting to resolve or infokill me without actually having a read on me. I think the most clear thing I can say about monte's recent posts is that they feel performative. Kind of... wanting to be seen, wanting to have a presence, being smooth about it. Yeah. Decent shot of being a wolf IMO.
Ender - I kind of want to just yolo Cuth's read and take ender off the table? But man if anyone fits the mold of a wolf who got deflated by the EoD1/wolf bomb shot... Their activity and presence is like night and day, D1 vs. now. And yeah I know he said he had a migraine, that's totally legit and not something I"m pushing on at all. Just... overall, holistic I mean I have the thought, it's there, I'm not gonna not mention it. They were *really* pushing for me at EoD1. Like the most vocal by far. And they've kind of walked that back toDay in a way that feels to me like they're kind of reading the tea leaves and not like, a genuine flip for reasons that are transparent and I can actually follow. Fuck you know despite all of that my gut says town. Idk what to tell you. I think I always need to kill this slot in my PoE but my heart says it's flipping v. It is what it is.
Cape - I'm still kind of processing that post he randomly quoted of mine from a hundred years ago. I would... definitely like to see the thought process behind that. Moving on to the bigger picture - I just don't think he really fits on a lot of teams. I guess he could be with HK or something? He's probably not with monte, I don't really think he's with dobby. I guess more meaningfully he doesn't really fit on a ladd/monsr/cape/x team like in general. I think it's gonna be hard to not PoE this slot but we really should clear it if we can, because if cape's v that's like always always a misyeet wolves need. I can't like, do that, not now, but I do want to try to get there if it's possible.
Dobby - I think dobby's kind of in his own world. It is a really fine line between "i'm talking about the things I want to talk about because I really believe in them and don't want to get dragged into stuff I don't care about" and "I'm a wolf and I need to keep the conversation and style of play in my comfort zone." Idk. I think he's got some decent associative. I think it's a good look that he's seemingly gotten more active after the redflips. I think the mech stuff and confusion about dolby dying and a lot of kind of wonky posts feel like a wolf would be a bit more careful in that kind of thing, in a self-awareness way. I think gun to my head villager. But this is definitely my most "man who the fuck knows" read.
So yeah.
There you go Sunbae. My yolo fuck it guess for the win is katz/monte. Doesn't really, like... feel right. But if you want me to take a swing, there it is. In terms of likely to actually flip wolf, I think something like -
Monte >> Katze >>>> HK = ender > cape > dobby >>> rask
Vote: Montmorency
That's about the most detailed I can be while doing this at work, but I'm around to chat for another ~hour or so probably.
if I die here my legacy is to kill ender then everyone on my wagon
Cheers, if this is it I had fun despite some really wack reasoning w/r/t me
Players Votes
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, katze, Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
I believe this is the correct tally.
10 minutes for corrections.
Newcomb goat
is this the part where i say "ill start actively trying to solve if monty isnt IT"
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:16
we're still at 8:1 which is good all things speaking but losing a flip feels bad
unless ender was wolf and bombed wolf we were always losing a townie today
either wolf ender bombs like he did or town ender bombs a wolf
worst case would have been losing three townies today. Lets make it only one.
unless ender was wolf and bombed wolf we were always losing a townie today
either wolf ender bombs like he did or town ender bombs a wolf
worst case would have been losing three townies today. Lets make it only one.
difference is losing a POE town vs losing a clear but not worth getting into
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:18
Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
real talk question: why bus Ladd here instead of voting newcomb or rask?
does it actually out Ladd as wolf? Yes we'd spend D2 talking about Ladd and the wagons but I'm not sure Ladd goes over D2 tbh
Newcomb goat
do you think katze uh, tunnels newcomb as fiercely as she did if wolf
and uh
i kinda want to see what happened after my ender vote because i think i wasnt the only one on him before i left last night, so like, wagonomics might ACTUALLY tell something this game, most often they dont though
but also, ender voting cape is.... only meaningful if he tried to go very deep by bussing in a situation where either of them might go down, i dont really believe that. there's not a crossvote either which would make MORE sense if they were teamed... Might be worth checking earlier vc's as well to see how the woofers have voted re eachother
but i dont know how to search this forum (and even if i use searh thread it only gives me last 100 posts, and if i ctrl f dobby on a page it doesnt fucking show posts that ive written for some reaosn)
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:20
difference is losing a POE town vs losing a clear but not worth getting into
obvs yeah, I was just talking maths
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:20
Can?t link zacks post for some reason but he calls out monty katze ender and dobby
do you think katze uh, tunnels newcomb as fiercely as she did if wolf
and uh
i kinda want to see what happened after my ender vote because i think i wasnt the only one on him before i left last night, so like, wagonomics might ACTUALLY tell something this game, most often they dont though
but also, ender voting cape is.... only meaningful if he tried to go very deep by bussing in a situation where either of them might go down, i dont really believe that. there's not a crossvote either which would make MORE sense if they were teamed... Might be worth checking earlier vc's as well to see how the woofers have voted re eachother
but i dont know how to search this forum (and even if i use searh thread it only gives me last 100 posts, and if i ctrl f dobby on a page it doesnt fucking show posts that ive written for some reaosn)
ender was defending cape most of day 1/day 2, saying he misread him in their last game and he was similar here.
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:22
Don’t think I’d kill dobby until f3 or f5 or whatever we’d end up in I haven’t done the math
real talk question: why bus Ladd here instead of voting newcomb or rask?
does it actually out Ladd as wolf? Yes we'd spend D2 talking about Ladd and the wagons but I'm not sure Ladd goes over D2 tbh
kat and ender on newcomb actually
okay i might AKSHULLY look into the votes because i think there's something there
oh and the logical answer to this is if he voteswitches from ladd then itll be very obvious that hes woof that fake voted a teammate because ladd was 100% going to go down either way even if not at eod.
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:22
do you think katze uh, tunnels newcomb as fiercely as she did if wolf
and uh
i kinda want to see what happened after my ender vote because i think i wasnt the only one on him before i left last night, so like, wagonomics might ACTUALLY tell something this game, most often they dont though
but also, ender voting cape is.... only meaningful if he tried to go very deep by bussing in a situation where either of them might go down, i dont really believe that. there's not a crossvote either which would make MORE sense if they were teamed... Might be worth checking earlier vc's as well to see how the woofers have voted re eachother
but i dont know how to search this forum (and even if i use searh thread it only gives me last 100 posts, and if i ctrl f dobby on a page it doesnt fucking show posts that ive written for some reaosn)
if you're asking does katze have the chutzpah to do that? absolutely katze does.
If you're asking did katze do it this game I think the answer is no
Don’t think I’d kill dobby until f3 or f5 or whatever we’d end up in I haven’t done the math
torture
i wont kill you until f3 either, lets suffer together
however if monty v and cape w, i just want to say i told you so
i was tunneled on newc but looks like i was right on ender in spite of what zack was saying
I am almost thinking monty is just v?
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:24
kat and ender on newcomb actually
okay i might AKSHULLY look into the votes because i think there's something there
oh and the logical answer to this is if he voteswitches from ladd then itll be very obvious that hes woof that fake voted a teammate because ladd was 100% going to go down either way even if not at eod.
three of the ladd voters are still alive. Monte is the obvs wolf of the bunch. Raskol I think I have really good reasons to town read. Cuth otoh still feels a bit wonky to me.
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:24
I have nfi lol
really I need a break
what were u even hoping for with that
I mostly wanted to see the answers for
Who should I boom?
I was interested in seeing the range of answers I would get here
You know, I don't actually like this read all that much on EnderWiggin as I feel like what Ender has been doing has been sort of villagery for actually the same reasons why ladd suspects Ender.
Are you still thinking along these lines when it comes to Ender?
I feel like this is a really weak point against Ender's case here
POE of Ender/Newcomb/Mont/katze probably could win the game?
I am so mixed on katze since I know they can play well
Vote: Newcomb
fine
if I die, I think Ender should be at least double checked, like where they at?
.............
:/
surprisingly little comment from cape on ender. i dont even know that hed be so careless.
idk
i dont want to tunnel
if you're asking does katze have the chutzpah to do that? absolutely katze does.
If you're asking did katze do it this game I think the answer is no
katze is capable of anything but just based off the newcomb (deaht)tunnel id say no
but also
ive doubled and tripled down on bad tunnels as wolf, so itll look dumb enough that "no way dobby does this as wolf because its just soooo weird to just keep insisitng on his tunnel and hes just doing his own weird thing but hes probably just town" and then i get to just focus on my tunnel and telling people to hear me out but i KNOW nobody will care to read what ive written and evaluate if i belive in my tunnel that ive written 100 posts about
does that make sense
ie: i think katze IS capable of doing that yes because its honestly a legit strat
akshully
yeaeh im not clearing kat here just yet
thats benneh and kat done, monty and cape auto-go into my hmm pile because theyre not getting clered
benneh lock good
kat in my hmm pile
monty in my hmm pile
cape in my hmm pile
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 02:28
if it's monte he voted his entire team during D1
Newcomb goat
"goat"
Ender - On my wagon
tbh I was considering unvoting Newcomb for the wall, but I wanted a rand
but then like 1 more happened
.............
:/
surprisingly little comment from cape on ender. i dont even know that hed be so careless.
idk
i dont want to tunnel
hey imma do a fun exercise thing and look at something brb
I mostly wanted to see the answers for
I was interested in seeing the range of answers I would get here
ok
....
just gonna close my eyes and call you town
.............
:/
surprisingly little comment from cape on ender. i dont even know that hed be so careless.
idk
i dont want to tunnel
I didn't focus on ender since I thought they were playing their town game
and then they just completely shut off activity wise day 2, and then that's when I started thinking, but it was like... with an hour or so left in EOD.
I wish I could wolf theatre like that first quote
Voting Newcomb is a dumb idea katze. Vote Ender instead.
well
I think I like katze's post responding to me and think it makes a good point
This was relating to a post katze made on Ender (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830461&viewfull=1#post2053830461)
Vote: Cape
I like this more than I like Monty. Sorry Zack.
Ender: "After long debate and strenuous thought, I think Newcomb might actually be town."
Also Ender:
Vote: Newcomb
Vote: Cape
I still feel pretty good about my whole "Unnecessary action" read around Neb/Newcomb ><
Also, this was amazing EOD progression if I do say so myself
I digress, I wanna find the wolf in Mont/cuth
neb/hollowkatt
I think katze spewed themselves with the Ender kill
I think Dobby is town for being on EnderWiggin at EOD
Listened to the Tears For Fears album Songs From The Big Chair for the first time.
Twas pretty good though it kinda is mostly the case where the singles made up the best of the best songs, and I Believe was kinda an unmemorable ballad that didn't have anything that really took it above and beyond a simple ballad type track. but still pretty solid new wave.
Heres readslist!
Winston Hughes looks exactly like what I would expect a person who goes by Winston Hughes would look like so I feel like not faking your identity is a really good look personally!
Zack has some default image of... whoever that is. Possible royalty since he is wearing purple so I have to respek.
ladd kinda has that face when I see fake content like some fake readslist based on profile pictures or something, like who would do such a thing? So I think points for that.
katze has this cute cat kinda staring into my soul. IDK cats cute :D thats why town yes! I think :curtain:
Sleep also has cute lil munchkin boo boo baby wabey smoochie woochie kitty witty!
Newcomb kinda got this sort of front facing military man and you know what, they look confident, I like confidence!
EnderWiggin kinda got this sort of front facing military man and you know what, they look confident, I like confidence!
Dobby kinda got this sort of front facing military man and you know what, they look confident, I like confidence!
Sunbae... IDK never played undertale.
Monstrdude has this picture of Bojack Horseman, but I feel like their alignment depends on what Bojack is saying. I tried zomming in on the image but I cannot make the text out so it's a little cryptic.
Cuthillius has this side profile of what looks like somebody in the military? Why are they trying to hide half their face?
Montmorency, I am sorry but you don't even look like a real person. Fun fact another word for a fake person is imposter lol gottem.
Raskolnikov, I can't really tell what you are. Your like sleep cap or whatever your wearing on the top of your head is kinda strange. Also the fact that you are almost profile but turn toward us, the viewer, but are not in the center of your own portrait picture. Man it looks like you are on the move, kinda like mafia ngl.
Csargo looks a little mean and mad at me :( I dont like it :(.
Hollowkatt has this wolf Mary Poppins thing and that's pretty sussy amogus.
nebjiamn has the whole wolfnod thing, I think he's wolf guys!
this was enough into the game that i cant rule out that it was written after rand, so assuming it was lets look at the woofers
uh, theyre in 3 different tiers, cape is clearly wolf
jk aside, the bojack read looks like it should be placed above the front facing military man reads but he didnt want to place ladd, ender and monstr next to eachother in the list
front facing thing (the 3 ppl with the same pfp) has newcomb ender and dobby in that order, and its the same order as in the playerlist, so i think that might mean that cape isnt aligned with ender because he left ender in the same spot in the reads instead of cutting and pasting and stuff
okay that was the dumbest read in the history of mafia gj dobby i really should sleep
wait I just realized the wall was on Newcomb, not Ender
I distinctly remember something else I said but I dont see anything
unvote
vote: katze
i am thinking about things
Vote: Cape
I like this more than I like Monty. Sorry Zack.
Ender: "After long debate and strenuous thought, I think Newcomb might actually be town."
Also Ender:
Vote: Newcomb
Vote: Cape
I still feel pretty good about my whole "Unnecessary action" read around Neb/Newcomb ><
this was enough into the game that i cant rule out that it was written after rand, so assuming it was lets look at the woofers
uh, theyre in 3 different tiers, cape is clearly wolf
jk aside, the bojack read looks like it should be placed above the front facing military man reads but he didnt want to place ladd, ender and monstr next to eachother in the list
front facing thing (the 3 ppl with the same pfp) has newcomb ender and dobby in that order, and its the same order as in the playerlist, so i think that might mean that cape isnt aligned with ender because he left ender in the same spot in the reads instead of cutting and pasting and stuff
okay that was the dumbest read in the history of mafia gj dobby i really should sleep
lock town
I think katze spewed themselves with the Ender kill
can u explain this one?
Also, this was amazing EOD progression if I do say so myself
I digress, I wanna find the wolf in Mont/cuth
neb/hollowkatt
I think katze spewed themselves with the Ender kill
I think Dobby is town for being on EnderWiggin at EOD
benneh is just town and the "give me one quote to prove it" version is the following (on top of like, having been obvtowning all game)
i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.
there are two things that ping me re: ender
1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.
i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.
2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.
can u explain this one?
what does spew mean in this context?
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:45
benneh is just town and the "give me one quote to prove it" version is the following (on top of like, having been obvtowning all game)
If only I wasn’t a little weak bitch and could follow through on it
If only I wasn’t a little weak bitch and could follow through on it
relatable (the first half of that sentence that is) :shame:
benneh ill kill the shit out of you if we are in f3 together btw
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 02:57
benneh ill kill the shit out of you if we are in f3 together btw
Understandable
ill vote the other person
https://previews.123rf.com/images/tawhy/tawhy1706/tawhy170600437/80055253-bomb-character-using-calculator-isolated-on-white-background.jpg
EnderWiggin has detonated. They were Mafia Goon.
Sunbae has died. They were Town Sorcerer.
Carry on.
lol
lmao
dolby is mewtini
enderwiggin is silverkeith
ladd is kaif
monty is arete
my life is an endless cycle and i cannot break free
okay maybe i havent wolfsided quite that hard but it feels like it
im just going to
vote:monty
and if thats not it im reviving ladd to sorc bomb me
im looking at that "reaction test" by cape and i feel like it's almost too bad to be from a wolf but im betting exactly nothing on it
can u explain this one?
No
I thought a wall they made was on Newcomb was an Ender wall, so no I cannot
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 03:21
gg I was katze
unvote: katze
vote: miontmorency
reread his iso
im looking at that "reaction test" by cape and i feel like it's almost too bad to be from a wolf but im betting exactly nothing on it
It wasn't so much a "reaction test" more as I just wanted people to name people to I guess "bomb" so I could compile something and if we got a wolf flip I could look at the list of who suggested what.
But a wolf was bombed anyways so doesn't matter now :shrug:
katze is capable of anything but just based off the newcomb (deaht)tunnel id say no
but also
ive doubled and tripled down on bad tunnels as wolf, so itll look dumb enough that "no way dobby does this as wolf because its just soooo weird to just keep insisitng on his tunnel and hes just doing his own weird thing but hes probably just town" and then i get to just focus on my tunnel and telling people to hear me out but i KNOW nobody will care to read what ive written and evaluate if i belive in my tunnel that ive written 100 posts about
does that make sense
ie: i think katze IS capable of doing that yes because its honestly a legit strat
akshully
yeaeh im not clearing kat here just yet
#TheFear
wait I just realized the wall was on Newcomb, not Ender
I distinctly remember something else I said but I dont see anything
wat
you said the wall is why you voted newcomb how did you think it was... on ender?
dolby is mewtini
enderwiggin is silverkeith
ladd is kaif
monty is arete
my life is an endless cycle and i cannot break freebut who am i
im looking at that "reaction test" by cape and i feel like it's almost too bad to be from a wolf but im betting exactly nothing on it
i didnt want to say it but yeah
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 03:23
Is there maj
I’ll do it
but who am i
do you want me to actually answer that question because i'm pretty sure i know
Is there maj
I’ll do it
vote: unvote
no u wont
:polidab:
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 03:26
I wouldn’t anyway cause it’s not monty
suck it zack
do you want me to actually answer that question because i'm pretty sure i know
i made an account on The Org about 3 months ago and have played half a game there. ive been surprised at the skill level tbh and had a lot of fun. its beena fulfilling journey but now my alts gonna get outed lol
i made an account on The Org about 3 months ago and have played half a game there. ive been surprised at the skill level tbh and had a lot of fun. its beena fulfilling journey but now my alts gonna get outed lol
lets quickhammer the wolf so we can make that a whole game before i out you
glgl
Is there maj
I’ll do it
Q: Is there majority?
A: No, just whoever has the most votes at the deadline. Ties are randomised ofc.
altho honestly i kind of wish we could speedrun the game
thats a damn shame
i want to sleepwalk to F3
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 03:34
Sleep is obviously gira
weird way to spell hally but you do you
anyway uh. i don't really know what to do because i still feel pretty good about my townreads, but i don't want to do nothing because i feel like that's how i get myself killed and then i'd be mildly sad
Sleep is obviously gira
can never fool you
wait rly
i was like 95% sure it was hally lmao
shrug
theres no maj so
vote: monty
imo its either this or cape so
looking at the playerlist i kinda wish we kept ladd alive so they'd sorc n3 so the game ended faster cause id be pretty surprised if most of the alive playerlist was mafia
you said the wall is why you voted newcomb how did you think it was... on ender?
I don't know I tried to erase that memory when newcomb flipped town
guess it worked
so like, Ima rest, might phonepost while half awake lol
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 04:00
wait rly
i was like 95% sure it was hally lmao
Lol
polarized post
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 04:43
who's not a wolf:
neb
katze
dobby
hk
who is unlikely a wolf:
raskol
sleep
cape
who could be a wolf:
cuth
monte
this is where I'm currently at. I think neb, katze, dobby are obvs town. I think there are very good reasons to town read raskol, cape, and sleep. I think we're on cruise control to chop monte and I have very little reason to town read them. I think managing to vote all three dead wolves on D1 is either god tier luck, god tier reads, or TMI.
Cuth is in the bottom tier instead of the middle tier b/c frankly I think they've dropped off pretty damn hard. But probably it's just monte
vote: monte
Montmorency
04-27-2022, 05:30
Enjoy OMGUS, for those of you out there who hate being voted!
Guaranteed to catch wolves that consider you LHF.
Great to convince town you have integrity.
Awesome at making you feel self righteous even when you're wrong.
We cover you for one whole year at the first purchase!
* Warranty only includes fault of the product itself and takes no responsibility for people's reactions to you.
I resent this.
I tried the fancy play
I do not have bomb. I don't think anyone actually interacted with that post I made which I find intriguing
It's because Sunbae outed her choice soon after.
Maybe wanna kill katze?
my reactionary take
will figure out more tomorrow prob
Why?
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 05:37
sunbae :(
oops wrt ender
this seems fine
dobby's just a villager
game seems straightforward
i don't think i'll have the energy to curry up huge oomphy work unless i absolutely have to but i'm here
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 05:42
also sorry for not showing up to eod
i don't really remember what happened yesterday but it would have been good to do that
Montmorency
04-27-2022, 05:50
Can?t link zacks post for some reason but he calls out monty katze ender and dobby
Yeah zack did yeoman's work this game.
ender was defending cape most of day 1/day 2, saying he misread him in their last game and he was similar here.
a
Cuth hard-defended cape.
if it's monte he voted his entire team during D1
lol
I'll have you know I read 5 posts from a game in progress last year and identified the entire mafia team cold. I may stink but I have a solid radar.
well
Context though.
weird way to spell hally but you do you
anyway uh. i don't really know what to do because i still feel pretty good about my townreads, but i don't want to do nothing because i feel like that's how i get myself killed and then i'd be mildly sad
If Sleep is Hally then I do feel much worse about her on principle alone, since Hally went ultra-deep in Mass Effect, the Org game here a year ago and spiritual counterpart to this one. So if I've liked Sleep's play I have to doubt myself based on her being a Hally alt.
Thankfully it's not Hally so the above doesn't apply.
Montmorency
04-27-2022, 05:53
What can I say, Zack and Sunbae had a great game. Cuth or katze are good candidates for final scum. But Cuth might be spewed town by Ender spending most of EOD whining that Cuth wouldn't sheep his case on NC even though Cuth TLed him, unless you think that's part of the same sort of theater as Ender-ladd. Anyone remember that? Just reread EOD1.
So, if I vote myself out will people believe I have something on Newcomb and go there tomorrow instead of staying off them for ? reasons?
for the love of all that is good in the world please just don't.
if you're voted out today is your legacy "kill newcomb with fire" or "stop ignoring newcomb and talk about him more" because i feel like im the loudest anti-newcomb voice and if i died today i'd absolutely not lean the former
I don't mind this if Newcomb is off the table.
I do not feel like their reads feel entirely legit. Especially the way they've treated me.
I right now feel the former.
Might be that I read their reaction to the case I posted where they "forgot" who posted it.
And idk I just viscerally want the flip and the red blood of a wolf on my hands to prove myself right now.
Also like, Csargo's weird flip flop on me to a townread actually feels more legit than Cuth's progression.
What I think happened now - my theory for EOD1 - is that 2 scum were AFK, Ender was present almost flailing with his vote parked on Newcomb throughout, and katze was in there without much thread presence finally dropping a vote onto Newcomb 1 minute out.
It could be Sleep or Dobby too playing a similar role with votes on NC and Rask respectively, but I doubt it, and that's up for others to sort since this game looks more like my Mass Effect a year ago without the super-deep mafia.
Vote: Katze
She has too been posting like SOD3 threw her for a loop.
My final answer is katze; I shan't afford another. ggwp
Unfortunately I can't go beyond myself without breaking the game.
Montmorency
04-27-2022, 05:56
I'll have you know I read 5 posts from a game in progress last year and identified the entire mafia team cold. I may stink but I have a solid radar.
25414
sunbae :(
oops wrt ender
this seems fine
dobby's just a villager
game seems straightforward
i don't think i'll have the energy to curry up huge oomphy work unless i absolutely have to but i'm here
i need to be sure ur not coasting
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 06:31
vote: cuth
not a meme. I?ll elaborate on this tomorrow after I sleep on it and read a bit more
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 06:39
cause i'm a loser--not particularly ordered within tiers:
hollowkatt
Sunbae
Sleep
zack
katze
Ladd
Winston Hughes
cuthillius
Raskolnikov
Csargo
roro__b
monstrbro
Newcomb
EnderWiggin
Cape90
Montmorency
posting for myself so I can find it again later
What I think happened now - my theory for EOD1 - is that 2 scum were AFK, Ender was present almost flailing with his vote parked on Newcomb throughout, and katze was in there without much thread presence finally dropping a vote onto Newcomb 1 minute out.
It could be Sleep or Dobby too playing a similar role with votes on NC and Rask respectively, but I doubt it, and that's up for others to sort since this game looks more like my Mass Effect a year ago without the super-deep mafia.
Vote: Katze
She has too been posting like SOD3 threw her for a loop.
My final answer is katze; I shan't afford another. ggwp
Unfortunately I can't go beyond myself without breaking the game.
i dont understand what approximately any of this means
i was the top poster d1 what do you mean "without much thread presence"
like i guess i wasn't dominating the thread because thats not how i operate (especially as town, yes im selfmetaing here sue me) but if i really wanted to i could have and i had ladd/newcomb telling me to decide the eod yeet so if i had nefarious intentions it'd have been pretty easy to push them ��
and uh, sod3 didn't throw me for a loop but i entered thread while playing video games with my sister and then saw bladescape had the vest and everyone saying he was lolcatting when he was doing the same stuff he did the last time he played this setup and got a vest (as town) so i figured he was just being theatrical again
then came back to see he was a wolf which did kind of throw me for a loop yes
vote: cuth
not a meme. I?ll elaborate on this tomorrow after I sleep on it and read a bit more
you and hk are gonna need to sell me on cuth not just being a villager cause i feel like this is a vote that is really bad at a glance and im not going to open an iso because im leaving the thread lmao pce
i dont understand what approximately any of this means
i was the top poster d1 what do you mean "without much thread presence"
like i guess i wasn't dominating the thread because thats not how i operate (especially as town, yes im selfmetaing here sue me) but if i really wanted to i could have and i had ladd/newcomb telling me to decide the eod yeet so if i had nefarious intentions it'd have been pretty easy to push them ��
and uh, sod3 didn't throw me for a loop but i entered thread while playing video games with my sister and then saw bladescape had the vest and everyone saying he was lolcatting when he was doing the same stuff he did the last time he played this setup and got a vest (as town) so i figured he was just being theatrical again
then came back to see he was a wolf which did kind of throw me for a loop yes
you and hk are gonna need to sell me on cuth not just being a villager cause i feel like this is a vote that is really bad at a glance and im not going to open an iso because im leaving the thread lmao pce
Im suing you
I cleared cuth early but also putting him in my hmm pile because I think I usually do the "clear" day 1 thing on people and then feel content not going back and seriously considering them for the rest of the game and cuth deserves at least a reread
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 15:17
what if:
Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
I guess the big question of the day is this: was there a wolf on Ladd and given their role and given the way the wagon flashed out of nowhere I'm inclined to think wolves were trying to save Ladd more so than gain credit from being on his wagon. Obvs they could not be flashy about saving him b/c it would out them.
But here's a thing:
This is the vote count from 18 minutes before EOD:
Players Votes
Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
1062
Notice a complete and utter lack of Ladd wagon other than the lone Winston vote.
Here we have one wolf on newcomb, one wolf on sleep, and one wolf on raskol. I think none of those are buses.
Then we have the next count:
1102
Players Votes
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
It's 12 minutes later and the Cuth wagon has vanished. Ladd still at 1 vote, Cuth has moved to Winston, the Raskol wagon has also dropped a voter.
One minute to go:
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
1118
6 wagons with 2 votes each. At this point there is no telling who is going to go over. Nobody can claim any kind of credit from Ladd at this point as there's no real push other than from winston to get people voting for Ladd. He's the only one stumping for the chop here.
Contrast with the final vote count:
Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
I think this shows Raskol and Sleep are town. If they are goons they are both bused to save Ladd here. I say this because again there was not a huge impetus to save Ladd. His wagon grew organically and votes were flying pretty quickly in the last minute or so of the game day.
I think it also shows that there was not a coordinated bus effort on Ladd. Kinda want to clear his whole wagon which is why I posted the first "what if" at the top.
I want to add Cuth to the "can't be a wolf here" bucket b/c why does he vote his PR on the back of Winston asking for Ladd votes when Cuth was voting Winston moments before he votes Ladd? It doesn't add up to me. I know Cuth is an insanely good player as both alignments but still, there's literally zero reasons to move to Ladd here as wolf goon when you can just stay on Raskol, not to mention moving off of Raskol puts the Cuth wagon clearly in the lead by 2 votes which is quite a bit to overcome in the last couple minutes of a game day. It did happen so it's not impossible but still, unlikely to me that Cuth is a wolf.
Then there is the monte question. I said earlier he had votes on each of the dead wolves on D1 and ended his day on the Ladd wagon.
Before that though he is pretty much parked on Raskol in the run up to the end of the day. Like Cuth what is the impetus to move to Ladd, what does wolf?Monte gain from doing that. I argue it's the same thing with Cuth. Monte wasn't highly suspected during D1, there was no gamestate reason for Monte to reach for credit like this. He also doesn't make much noise in terms of trying to capitalize on said credit.
I would argue Monte is town for the same reasons here.
So Rask, Sleep, Cuth, Monte town
Leaving
HK
Dobby
Neb
Katze
Cape
Remove myself, remove Dobby, remove Neb. Leaves Katze and Cape.
This is where I get stuck tbh. I can find reasonable reasons to town read both of them.
vote: katze
gonna try this on for a while and see how it feels.
Monte wasn't highly suspected during D1, there was no gamestate reason for Monte to reach for credit like this. He also doesn't make much noise in terms of trying to capitalize on said credit
he was drawing a reasonable amount of heat for being inactive most of the day, especially from zack
i also felt like he tried to put momentum on newcomb/rask start of day 2 which is certainly not doing nothing. possible to be town who drew the wrong conclusions, i certainly did, but this desnt really fit my view
(also i had a very dumb shower thought this morning)
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 16:38
he was drawing a reasonable amount of heat for being inactive most of the day, especially from zack
i also felt like he tried to put momentum on newcomb/rask start of day 2 which is certainly not doing nothing. possible to be town who drew the wrong conclusions, i certainly did, but this desnt really fit my view
(also i had a very dumb shower thought this morning)
I might feel better about that if there was any kind of real wagon on monte throughout the day, or if his wagon was greater than just sunbae at the end there. Like ok, if monte is wolf and rightly suspected by obvs town sunbae and obvs town zack it would make sense to me to see that wagon grow at the end of the day instead of Ladd going over. That's the tricky bit for me. Monte was suspected for being inactive, taking a gamble on Ladd being wolf vs pushing "inactive monte" seems like a large oversight on the part of the wolf team and not one that I'd expect competent wolves like Ladd and Ender to make.
I think monte absolutely could have gone over D1 if people had wanted him to, but they didn't.
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 17:38
lets let katze lead eod
which direction does this spew katze
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 18:53
which direction does this spew katze
Like on the one hand I can see wolfLadd telling wolf?Katze "go ahead and do whatever you want to do I'm pretty sure I'm not going over"
otoh I can see wolfLadd putting "bad reads town Katze" "in charge" of leading EOD b/c Ladd knows Katze isn't pushing on any of his team mates.
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:02
i need to be sure ur not coasting
as wolf i might hard burn after d1 if i actually screwed ladd over like that to make sure i don't get too much towncred but i sure as hell am not absolutely dropping off the map afterwards
but ok if you have serious concerns i'll try to spend more time on this game than i would otherwise
lmk if there's stuff you'd like me to address in particular
i don't have any up to date thoughts really and need to focus in on specific stuff to hone the ideas i do have and i'll do what seems best when i can but feel free to request
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:05
he was drawing a reasonable amount of heat for being inactive most of the day, especially from zack
i also felt like he tried to put momentum on newcomb/rask start of day 2 which is certainly not doing nothing. possible to be town who drew the wrong conclusions, i certainly did, but this desnt really fit my view
(also i had a very dumb shower thought this morning)
more to the point with monty he literally self-inserted the meta excuse of having voted and unvoted to bring people up to a tie in the past and legitimately tried to unvote to tie wagons w/ ladd
which is like pretty decent cred if they don't think ladd is gonna survive which is a bit ? but
but i also don't think that many other people really wanted to vote ladd, it wasn't even really a guarantee that rask would self pres there vs elsewhere
voting third on the wagon and then unvoting is bizarre and i would feel a lot better about it if he didn't literally cite an example of him doing it as v sod2 lol
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:06
I might feel better about that if there was any kind of real wagon on monte throughout the day, or if his wagon was greater than just sunbae at the end there. Like ok, if monte is wolf and rightly suspected by obvs town sunbae and obvs town zack it would make sense to me to see that wagon grow at the end of the day instead of Ladd going over. That's the tricky bit for me. Monte was suspected for being inactive, taking a gamble on Ladd being wolf vs pushing "inactive monte" seems like a large oversight on the part of the wolf team and not one that I'd expect competent wolves like Ladd and Ender to make.
I think monte absolutely could have gone over D1 if people had wanted him to, but they didn't.
i think more to the point the push on monty was more from orgers from what i remember (zack a major name) vs ladd who was like. winston and maybe me (and ender a little lol) and some other people were eh and some people were like seems pretty villagery
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:09
i'm actually kinda upset i didn't connect the dots on you gira
i was like idk who this could be but they're not really treating me like how anyone i can think of would so maybe i just don't know them well?
what if:
I guess the big question of the day is this: was there a wolf on Ladd and given their role and given the way the wagon flashed out of nowhere I'm inclined to think wolves were trying to save Ladd more so than gain credit from being on his wagon. Obvs they could not be flashy about saving him b/c it would out them.
But here's a thing:
This is the vote count from 18 minutes before EOD:
Notice a complete and utter lack of Ladd wagon other than the lone Winston vote.
Here we have one wolf on newcomb, one wolf on sleep, and one wolf on raskol. I think none of those are buses.
Then we have the next count:
It's 12 minutes later and the Cuth wagon has vanished. Ladd still at 1 vote, Cuth has moved to Winston, the Raskol wagon has also dropped a voter.
One minute to go:
6 wagons with 2 votes each. At this point there is no telling who is going to go over. Nobody can claim any kind of credit from Ladd at this point as there's no real push other than from winston to get people voting for Ladd. He's the only one stumping for the chop here.
Contrast with the final vote count:
I think this shows Raskol and Sleep are town. If they are goons they are both bused to save Ladd here. I say this because again there was not a huge impetus to save Ladd. His wagon grew organically and votes were flying pretty quickly in the last minute or so of the game day.
I think it also shows that there was not a coordinated bus effort on Ladd. Kinda want to clear his whole wagon which is why I posted the first "what if" at the top.
I want to add Cuth to the "can't be a wolf here" bucket b/c why does he vote his PR on the back of Winston asking for Ladd votes when Cuth was voting Winston moments before he votes Ladd? It doesn't add up to me. I know Cuth is an insanely good player as both alignments but still, there's literally zero reasons to move to Ladd here as wolf goon when you can just stay on Raskol, not to mention moving off of Raskol puts the Cuth wagon clearly in the lead by 2 votes which is quite a bit to overcome in the last couple minutes of a game day. It did happen so it's not impossible but still, unlikely to me that Cuth is a wolf.
Then there is the monte question. I said earlier he had votes on each of the dead wolves on D1 and ended his day on the Ladd wagon.
Before that though he is pretty much parked on Raskol in the run up to the end of the day. Like Cuth what is the impetus to move to Ladd, what does wolf?Monte gain from doing that. I argue it's the same thing with Cuth. Monte wasn't highly suspected during D1, there was no gamestate reason for Monte to reach for credit like this. He also doesn't make much noise in terms of trying to capitalize on said credit.
I would argue Monte is town for the same reasons here.
So Rask, Sleep, Cuth, Monte town
Leaving
HK
Dobby
Neb
Katze
Cape
Remove myself, remove Dobby, remove Neb. Leaves Katze and Cape.
This is where I get stuck tbh. I can find reasonable reasons to town read both of them.
vote: katze
gonna try this on for a while and see how it feels.
Hey i was going to do this but now someone else did pog
Looking at those vc's I think yes Rask is never wolf, cuth with the first vote on ladd during that eod (other that winston's that i dont count here) to make him a legit wagon when people sussed him already looks good for him.
If a wolf places a vote on ladd here it's - let's look at it.
Rask's vote was within seconds from Monty's vote and both were at :00. Rask's vote can pretty certainly be seen as self-pres. He could've placed a vote that looked good for the mafia sorcerer, but didn't, he voted him.
Those two votes took ladd from 2 votes to 4 votes, and suddenly he went from being one of many wagons, to top one.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUT
There's this fuckin post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829437&viewfull=1#post2053829437)
Let me quote it as well.
It's at :01. Probably just a few seconds too late from having been a valid unvote.
Unvote
I don't know how it can look worse than this for someone tbh
(im splitting my post into 2 because its about 2 semi different things)
Vote: Monty
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:16
does cape's vest fps matter at all?
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 19:20
does cape's vest fps matter at all?
I don't think he leaned hard enough into it to make it viable fps and his backing off reads fine
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:21
I don't think he leaned hard enough into it to make it viable fps and his backing off reads fine
do you think any of it is positively ai?
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 19:21
I WANTED THAT AROUND EOD
Cuthillius I think this is worse than the FPS if you're looking for reasons to sus on cape
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 19:22
do you think any of it is positively ai?
I think the initial FPS is objectively NAI but the reaction to Ender blowing up Sunbae seems overblown.
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:24
I think the initial FPS is objectively NAI but the reaction to Ender blowing up Sunbae seems overblown.
it's weird
i just looked
him randomly saying haha i was joking about vest right before detonation is funny
So i just ctrl f:ed "mont" in the first dayphase to see if he had written anything, or if anyone else had mentioned him
i'll help benneh and then go afk for the next 24ish hours
v
mont
benneh
ladd
sleep
i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime
for context:
i'll yolo a sunbae w read (you'll do amazing in champs tho! genuinely)
this is the early ladd readlist (one of his first non rvs posts) that i sussed him because of, it would make sense to include one wolf :P Also considering the later posts about monty its kinda weird. It feels like ladd wants this list to look real? But this is also the only post from monty before that ladd post
Gotta say the Mafia stalker can't expect to get much action in this setup. Like, the only thing it can track is the town sorceror, and there's no stopping the town sorceror's last action on N2 without pushing them D2, and there's little point to that. Watching the target of a sorceror is even more useless, since there's never going to be a strategy in pushing a compulsive suicide bomber.
I'm ready for my vesting.
https://i.imgur.com/EeYtIBY.jpg
This might be the most interesting post of the flipped woofs/monty stuff?
i saw that post and your monty push
you don't really push lhf like you did monty as a villager ime, in fact I think 1 of yours (and visor actually) biggest villa tells is that you tend to see the "what if they are a vilager angle" of the so called easy mislunches, like you are doing with cape for example (regardless of whether or not he is a villager)
you going after monty was spooky, then I saw the other orgers thought he was a wolf too so maybe I was missing some meta but from a quick skim of 2 of his games he seems like a perfectly competent wolf so i dont realy see whats up
but i guess I overstimated how much you believe both your monty wolf read on yrou stuff wrt cuth
yougotus.gif
Winston Hughes how much of the thread had you read when you made this post?
couple of zack's post overnight actually gave me the FEAR
1) calling cuth out for asking too many questions felt level 0
2) the monty push
i actually really liked some of cuth stuff overnight which is incredible cause i usually don't even get what they are saying
this was a real nice thought
like, if theyre teamed, ladd is going for it pretty hard tbh
monty comes into thread and posts a semi jokey vote on monstr, is it just me or does it look like w/w action? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828708&viewfull=1#post2053828708)
ladd
newcomb
montmorency
all of these are good targets
Voting Newcomb is a dumb idea katze. Vote Ender instead.
there are waaaaall catchup posts like this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829142&viewfull=1#post2053829142), he is kinda pushing ender a bit, but mentions in the other direction are few/non-existent.
and okay this is (i think) the only "response" or mention of monty (and its got ladd + monstr) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828882&viewfull=1#post2053828882) from ender's posts and im not sure its relevant but i want it to be
ladd asks about monty here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828833&viewfull=1#post2053828833), kinda leaves it up to others to help him make an opinion on him. Not sure if it says anything, i might just be seeing what i want to see rn.
tldr and main conclusions:
the monstr interaction really looks like it could be w/w
on top of that, ladd gave monty a townread early in the first quoted post here, and proceeded to... this sentence
you going after monty was spooky, then I saw the other orgers thought he was a wolf too so maybe I was missing some meta but from a quick skim of 2 of his games he seems like a perfectly competent wolf so i dont realy see whats up
this just.. doesn't make sense? paraphrased the way i read it it says "people who know him well thought he was wolf so i read his previous games and he is a good wolf, so i dont see why you would wolfread him"
like
if you see someone is a good wolf, and people who know them well wolfread them
how does that land in a townread from you, and a shield?
I mean, it mostly looks bad for ladd (lol), but if i turn it around i think yes it can be to put a shield up on a townie that a lot of people push
but it could definitely also be about a teammate that he shields and has a read that he wants cred for when they get ml'ed
and combined with the early readslist post i think
it's just monty lol
it's weird
i just looked
him randomly saying haha i was joking about vest right before detonation is funny
i interpreted it as him just not being caught up with thread tbh, i also read pbp and asked about the vest when it was already said who had it but i hadnt reached that point in the ketchup
gm, wont be around for long cause i have an appointment at 3 but
at risk of sounding like im a wolf expanding the PoE or whatever, i don't think players voting ladd should get credit due to his specific role - the n3 sorc isn't reallllllly a strong PR (neither of the wolf PRs are that meaningful) since all the sorcerers do is effectively accelerate the game a day and the wolf one is the one that follows that rule the most because like, the town sorc can theoretically target a player who was unlikely to get NKed or yeeted. mafia sorc almost always targets a clear villager (which gives town a controlled KP, effectively mafia NK + town daykill) or they target a wolf whos 100% dying (which gives mafia a dayvig while also killing a wolf, effectively mafia NK + town daykill)
with all of that said - i still do think they should get a lot of credit, not because ladd was the n3 sorc but because ladd was ladd and the other two flipped wolves aren't players i think are quite That Elite™, so like. why bus ladd over the other two flippd wolves
anyway uh. i feel like im dying today and i'm prob not going to try to stop it
gm, wont be around for long cause i have an appointment at 3 but
at risk of sounding like im a wolf expanding the PoE or whatever, i don't think players voting ladd should get credit due to his specific role - the n3 sorc isn't reallllllly a strong PR (neither of the wolf PRs are that meaningful) since all the sorcerers do is effectively accelerate the game a day and the wolf one is the one that follows that rule the most because like, the town sorc can theoretically target a player who was unlikely to get NKed or yeeted. mafia sorc almost always targets a clear villager (which gives town a controlled KP, effectively mafia NK + town daykill) or they target a wolf whos 100% dying (which gives mafia a dayvig while also killing a wolf, effectively mafia NK + town daykill)
with all of that said - i still do think they should get a lot of credit, not because ladd was the n3 sorc but because ladd was ladd and the other two flipped wolves aren't players i think are quite That Elite™, so like. why bus ladd over the other two flippd wolves
anyway uh. i feel like im dying today and i'm prob not going to try to stop it
AND MONTY TRIED TO UNVOTE LADD AT :01 TO MAKE HIM NOT TOP WAGON!!
Unvote
so yes, monty definitely doesn't get cred for it.
only sus
monty you get sus.
i dont really want to... reevaluate more than this
like, all dead townies has sussed or voted monty at several stages of the game
monty is in several players legacies
monty has done sussy stuff
im not doing much more work until monty ded :p
im already voting monty :3
im already voting monty :3
revote then
does cape's vest fps matter at all?
i glossed over it earlier but imo its like
if i look at it from "someone who isn't really a FPSer trying to be fancy" then it falls under "a really bad try but it might just be villagery because of how bad it was"
with that said i don't entirely know what they were expecting to accomplish with it - which isn't a great sign either
if cape was more experienced at FPSing i'd probably be more inclined to call it wolfy but afaik he rly isn't
revote then
vote: dobby
peepee
if its not monty my main susses are katze and cape tbh but im never not voting monty today so ye. after that prolly cuth/hk
vote: dobby
peepee
vote: monty
poopoo
you just posted like this because you want to be top poster :stare:
if its not monty my main susses are katze and cape tbh but im never not voting monty today so ye. after that prolly cuth/hk
i think its kinda just in monty/cape, HK is kinda bordering my "never a wolf" tier and cuth... i still don't understand why people are super skeptical of him but i strongly suspect it won't matter anyway
you just posted like this because you want to be top poster :stare:
guilty as charged
better vote me out so you can take my spot <3
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:43
vote: monty
sorry for voting you through eod katze
vote: monty
sorry for voting you through eod katze
just say it was because of #TheFear and ill add it to my postgame compilation
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 19:54
just say it was because of #TheFear and ill add it to my postgame compilation
it was because of #TheFear
i think its kinda just in monty/cape, HK is kinda bordering my "never a wolf" tier and cuth... i still don't understand why people are super skeptical of him but i strongly suspect it won't matter anyway
guilty as charged
better vote me out so you can take my spot <3
its mostly because benneh, rask and sleep are in my nope never voting tier and just below that are hk and cuth so i wouldnt call it skeptical but if not in you cape monty then yes thats the next tier (im too dumb to count how many yoinks we have left)
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 20:18
its mostly because benneh, rask and sleep are in my nope never voting tier and just below that are hk and cuth so i wouldnt call it skeptical but if not in you cape monty then yes thats the next tier (im too dumb to count how many yoinks we have left)
i'm out of touch with reality what's your reasoning on sleep clear
i'm out of touch with reality what's your reasoning on sleep clear
Im bad at remembering stuff but like I basically cleared him based on him reaction in my push d1. I'm pretty sure I've written a lot of other things that I'd be very surprised if he was wolf for, but I don't remember and don't want to read back
I think it's in my summaries but I'm lazy rn
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 21:53
AND MONTY TRIED TO UNVOTE LADD AT :01 TO MAKE HIM NOT TOP WAGON!!
so yes, monty definitely doesn't get cred for it.
only sus
monty you get sus.
Montmorency why did you try to unvote Ladd
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 21:58
Montmorency why did you try to unvote Ladd
he explained it sod2
wagonomics lol
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 22:00
he explained it sod2
wagonomics lol
yeah that's a shit answer and I want him to say something better than that lol
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:04
vote: monty
$tat$
vote: monty
$tat$
did you have a case on cuth?
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:09
did you have a case on cuth?
not really a case just some gut feelings about how ender interacted with cuth about his wolf reads
i'm a bit too lazy to bother with it today with monty seeming like they're always going over so i'm trying to save face in case he flips wolf
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:11
not really a case just some gut feelings about how ender interacted with cuth about his wolf reads
i'm a bit too lazy to bother with it today with monty seeming like they're always going over so i'm trying to save face in case he flips wolf
i dont wanna dig it up, but ender went out of his way to sort of suspect cuth for cuth v reading ender but disregarding ender's push on newcomb
and that did not feel like the way a wolf would interact with a villager who was v reading them. they would just take the win and interact in ways that are a bit more positive
but the way he kind of overly went about suspecting cuth for it seemed like it was built to distance without any OOMPH or traction
i was going to spend TODAY figuring out how ender interacted with over known villagers and wolves to see how different that looked and also looking at cuth more deeply but i'm just not into it
does cape's vest fps matter at all?
I would say no. Poof im here, I am gonna level, I am kind of between you and Mont right now
it's weird
i just looked
him randomly saying haha i was joking about vest right before detonation is funny
well it was because the vested person was kinda revealed and I didn't wanna be blown up for a silly reason like "oh Cape fakeclaimed vest when I had vest" or w/e
I would say no. Poof im here, I am gonna level, I am kind of between you and Mont right now
poof im also here
why not me
if cape was more experienced at FPSing i'd probably be more inclined to call it wolfy but afaik he rly isn't
I hardly fps literally ever, fun fact.
Also it's literally not
Like, think about it
What do I benefit from trying that? I feel like it's wolfy when there is a very coherent wolf motivation behind it. To get towncred? I don't think that would have got me any
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 22:20
Poof Lola's gone
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:20
Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
. . .
I hardly fps literally ever, fun fact.
Also it's literally not
Like, think about it
What do I benefit from trying that? I feel like it's wolfy when there is a very coherent wolf motivation behind it. To get towncred? I don't think that would have got me any
reason id call it wolfy from someone with more experience with FPSing (such as myself) is that there's significantly better ways to do what you did
like, on D2 i considered claiming sorc/backup sorc to see if, in the event the D2 vest was on a wolf, they'd blow me up. but then sunbae/zack claimed and i was also wrong bout who had the vest anyway so i only could have gotten way with a backup claim which, even if the vest was on a wolf, is probably the lower priority target?
main benefit from w!you is just "playing dumb to look like you dont have TMI"
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:24
vote: Newcomb
fingers crossed but i do not like any other wagon at all really
vote: ladd
vote: newcomb
Vote: Ladd
https://i.imgur.com/EeYtIBY.jpg
vote: ladd
absolutely night an day
I know cape already did this analysis or soething like this, but i'm just going over it for myself so dont mind me for not dropping new stuff itt
poof im also here
why not me
I would say you are less likely then the other 2 since, you just look better
I will tell you one thing. Listen carefully. Both benneh and Dobby are LOCK TOWN (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830766&viewfull=1#post2053830766)
if Dobby makes the post that I just linked as mafia, that IMO is kinda asking for a loss, why would you narrow POE like that?
Besides I dig the effort they are putting in today
not really a case just some gut feelings about how ender interacted with cuth about his wolf reads
i'm a bit too lazy to bother with it today with monty seeming like they're always going over so i'm trying to save face in case he flips wolf
id love if you could do something there cuz if its not monty you might very well be next nk and i want to check it at least
i dont wanna dig it up, but ender went out of his way to sort of suspect cuth for cuth v reading ender but disregarding ender's push on newcomb
and that did not feel like the way a wolf would interact with a villager who was v reading them. they would just take the win and interact in ways that are a bit more positive
but the way he kind of overly went about suspecting cuth for it seemed like it was built to distance without any OOMPH or traction
i was going to spend TODAY figuring out how ender interacted with over known villagers and wolves to see how different that looked and also looking at cuth more deeply but i'm just not into it
okay thanks there it is :p
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:27
ender was around at EOD and ladd/monstr were afk/banned
sleep/kat/monty/cuth/rask were at EOD (were others? idk) so if the wolf is in them they had a chance to coordinate
of those, it seems like he'd only really be coordinating with sleep/kat to push a newc kill
if its one of kat/sleep, the other was really trying to sell hard to earn a 3rd/4th/5th vote from me and possibly others like winston/monty
there's validity in doing that on newc over a player like raskol since wolves would really want to lunch newc d1. i know i would, so i cant really clear kat/sleep for not just hopping (along with ender) onto raskol to secure a mislunch
humm
I would say you are less likely then the other 2 since, you just look better
I will tell you one thing. Listen carefully. Both benneh and Dobby are LOCK TOWN (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830766&viewfull=1#post2053830766)
if Dobby makes the post that I just linked as mafia, that IMO is kinda asking for a loss, why would you narrow POE like that?
Besides I dig the effort they are putting in today
okay but like
im not really interested in why you think its not benneh/dobby
why do i, kat "katze" katze, look better
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:30
its likely wolves weren't coordinating at all during eod
maybe not likely
words, what do they mean
but lets assume dobby is a wolf. that's 2 wolves on a villager and ender trying to drum up another village wagon. yes, newc probly a higher priority wagon to lunch, but really?
ladd was bussed
but was it monty
dont kill sleep
maybe kill newcomb??? idk fuck
probably dont kill csargo
dont kill hollowkatt what the fuck why is he a wagon
dont kill rask
you can clear me for this tho benneh ~:cool:
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 22:32
you can clear me for this tho benneh ~:cool:
but what about #thefear
but what about #thefear
im #polarized
hehefair enough
Raskolnikov
04-27-2022, 22:43
gm, wont be around for long cause i have an appointment at 3 but
at risk of sounding like im a wolf expanding the PoE or whatever, i don't think players voting ladd should get credit due to his specific role - the n3 sorc isn't reallllllly a strong PR (neither of the wolf PRs are that meaningful) since all the sorcerers do is effectively accelerate the game a day and the wolf one is the one that follows that rule the most because like, the town sorc can theoretically target a player who was unlikely to get NKed or yeeted. mafia sorc almost always targets a clear villager (which gives town a controlled KP, effectively mafia NK + town daykill) or they target a wolf whos 100% dying (which gives mafia a dayvig while also killing a wolf, effectively mafia NK + town daykill)
with all of that said - i still do think they should get a lot of credit, not because ladd was the n3 sorc but because ladd was ladd and the other two flipped wolves aren't players i think are quite That Elite?, so like. why bus ladd over the other two flippd wolves
anyway uh. i feel like im dying today and i'm prob not going to try to stop it
What a post. I'll come back to it tMr in case the game isn't over :creep:
ok i really should do stuff but i'm going to talk through why i felt strongly about ender v at the time because newc and maybe others also asked about it
i don't think it's a very partnery thing for someone with ender's approach to wolfread their partner for a kinda dubious reason when a lot of the rest of the thread is pretty casually being like yeah that guy's pretty villagery, and then when being intensely pushed over this read and like directly offered contrary explanations for a read that again w!ender would have made up and be able to tell was kinda dubious not be like oh you're right this is a bad read or even eh you might be right but i think this makes more sense but instead get quite defensive and assume i'm trying to catch him on a contradiction
that's just not how wolves react
and if you fit this into the framework of how he's been approaching the game more broadly
that wolf read lines up with a lot of his other reads in terms of depth and style, it's not like this weird manufactured thing that only applies to ladd
i think it's possible that someone like ender would like intentionally do a bad push on a teammate and know it would be wrong, but i have a hard time seeing him act around it the way he did
for the very little it's worth when i squinted at the thread d2/after dolby flip i was looking in something like and this is super non-clarified but
katze/monty/dobby
or like
sleep/hk/somethin
but then people were stronger v-reading dobby
from the stuff i read d1/early d2 i really don't see much reason for it but idk
^If Cuth mafia, then all 5 names listed here are town so this worldbuilding doesn't look super wolfy fmpov
specifically in the context of my conversation with ender about these reads, for the record
i was super pushing at what i thought was meh justification for his read on ladd, which was a bit counter to thread consensus at the time, and his reaction is to explain a bit more reasoning behind the exact same justification and then feel super defensive and double down on that
this is not how a wolf, or at least not how ender in particular as a wolf, plays distancing
it was primarily a sheeped read
also he had some stronger stuff in earlier bit
but also he felt like he did in that one turbo we played semi-recently where we also killed him d1
in the sort of uh idk
i never felt awesome about it but i did think v-ish i think directly after his posting earlier plus oh someone was pushing him in a kinda weird way (not ender)
post talks about ladd. I find the parenthesis interesting here because it has another wolf, ender
IDK I see these posts and I want to call Cuth not the last wolf here
^If Cuth mafia, then all 5 names listed here are town so this worldbuilding doesn't look super wolfy fmpov
post talks about ladd. I find the parenthesis interesting here because it has another wolf, ender
IDK I see these posts and I want to call Cuth not the last wolf here
good post bud
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 22:53
I would say no. Poof im here, I am gonna level, I am kind of between you and Mont right now
that's devastating to hear
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 22:55
^If Cuth mafia, then all 5 names listed here are town so this worldbuilding doesn't look super wolfy fmpov
i think it's specifically kinda wolfy in that particular situation but maybe it's just me
katze you are in charge
hmm:book2:
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 23:02
stahp katze or I'll vote you harder
Cuthillius
04-27-2022, 23:02
hmm:book2:
katze -> newcomb and thinly sunbae at that point
katze leading was benefit to wolf
also check out this post where katze dunks on ladd:
im trying to figure out a way to word this in a way that isnt loaded but...
is there any indication of this being a thought you had before newcomb posted it
NEWCOMB CASE
#239 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828503&highlight=#post2053828503)
This is a sudden switch on to Katze, via purely omgus reasons.
There's a lot of words he puts around it to make it seem better, but it's a slide back into low effort content for wolfy.
#244 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828508&highlight=#post2053828508)
This is probably my favourite wolf ping. It's not a wolf tell by itself but wolves often feel the need to over-justify weak reads. No one would've blinked at the OMGUS without an in depth explanation, but Newcomb felt the need to justify it.
#389 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828656&highlight=#post2053828656)
First meaty post from Newcomb and it is a strong reaction to Katze talking about how Newcomb talks around people he susses.
The query about Cape vs Sleep is fine.
I don't exactly like this post but I'd be stretching to call this wolfy fmpov
Uh oh, interaction here kinda...
mmm
ehhhhhh
uhhh
Uh oh, interaction here kinda...
mmm
ehhhhhh
uhhh
what interaction? ender talking about/defending katze? i think thats in katze's favor :P
hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 23:08
legit question: does a team of Ladd, Monstr, Ender, X kill Winston solely because he led the push on Ladd D1
legit question: does a team of Ladd, Monstr, Ender, X kill Winston solely because he led the push on Ladd D1
not solely no
i think winston was unquestionably super towny (despite being tunneled on me :stare: ) and had some super good posts and read lists that, uh lemme find it i saw a few earlier today
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 23:13
legit question: does a team of Ladd, Monstr, Ender, X kill Winston solely because he led the push on Ladd D1
is this in reference to winston saying ladd/newc/monty were good wagons?
btw they probably aim for whoever they think is sorcerer and not the "towniest" come to think of it, idjk if he gave any hints about being sorcerer or gave off that vibe though
is this in reference to winston saying ladd/newc/monty were good wagons?
this was the post i was looking for and i think theres another one with like the wolfteam or smth
i assumed winston was a SPK because ive never played with him
dobby, newcomb, benneh, katze
there's your scumteam
zack is the sk
here it is :wowee:
holy shit reading through this winston really had it out for me :(
nebjiamn
04-27-2022, 23:20
holy shit reading through this winston really had it out for me :(
vote: dobby
i dont see anything in winstons iso that would make me think hes sorcerer, and wolves not going for sorc is ballsy unless they think the wolves were well hidden and hoped for town on town action
i also dont understand why winston stopped pushing me because he hated everything about everything i wrote and suddenyl was on ladd eod :P
vote: dobby
i killed him and id do it again
vote:dobby
you've peepeed your last poopoo
Town:
zack
nebjiamn
Sleep
Newcomb
Light Town:
Sunbae
EnderWiggin
Cuthillus
Hollowkatt
katze
Talk more:
Montmorency
Light Wolf:
Csargo
ladd
Monstrdude
Winston
Dobby
this was a real readslist of mine from earlier on
vote:dobby
you've peepeed your last poopoo
peepee poopoo
your move
what interaction? ender talking about/defending katze? i think thats in katze's favor :P
I thought they looked kinda partnery
if dobby is mafia im literally so good at mafia
I thought they looked kinda partnery
i read it as like, as wolf you need to pick sides and def someone and thats a good thing to pick sides in? but that kind of reasonnig goes both ways because ive built arguments a few hours ago on similar stuff :wowee:
if dobby is mafia im literally so good at mafia
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vote:cape90
serious vote
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hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 23:33
not solely no
i think winston was unquestionably super towny (despite being tunneled on me :stare: ) and had some super good posts and read lists that, uh lemme find it i saw a few earlier today
yeah I thought he was obvs town, just wondering outloud if "obvs town + pushed Ladd over the line" was enough to draw the N1. Probably it is
Not only were they almost never getting winston chopped, he chopped the wolf PR
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hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 23:34
is this in reference to winston saying ladd/newc/monty were good wagons?
not specifically no, just spitballing whether or not there's value in going back through the rest of his posts. Like I said to dobby tho I think "objectively obvs town + pushed ladd over the line" is enough to draw the N1 b/c they weren't chopping him ever and he was accurate at least one time
yeah I thought he was obvs town, just wondering outloud if "obvs town + pushed Ladd over the line" was enough to draw the N1. Probably it is
Not only were they almost never getting winston chopped, he chopped the wolf PR
im just.... that means they ignore finding sorc
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hollowkatt
04-27-2022, 23:35
im just.... that means they ignore finding sorc
kinda where I'm at yeah.
everyone town did a really good job of just stfuing about PRs that I think the wolves had to SPK/Reads kill N1
kinda where I'm at yeah.
everyone town did a really good job of just stfuing about PRs that I think the wolves had to SPK/Reads kill N1
i guess game wouldve looked pretty different if csargo didnt kill dolby. i dont think everyone wouldve done that and then d2/d3 wouldve been a lot harder.
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i guess game wouldve looked pretty different if csargo didnt kill dolby. i dont think everyone wouldve done that and then d2/d3 wouldve been a lot harder.
everyone -> anyone tbh
I was looking at a lot of early posts and tbh, there isn't much for katze that is exactly clearing here kinda like Cuth, Cuth has more not w/w interactions in general
but like
the unvote from Monty...
Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
given how the 2 others are both town in a mont wolf world...
mont was late but they tried
mont was late but they tried
thats why iots so hard for me to play the game today tbh
thats why iots so hard for me to play the game today tbh
this game from start for me has literally been about me saying i will play at a later stage, or why im not playing, or what i have played, or talking about what i will do, but not actually at any point playing.
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Players Votes
Montmorency 4 (Raskolnikov, Sleep, Dobby, Cuthillius)
katze 2 (Montmorency, hollowkatt)
Dobby 1 (nebjiamn)
Cape90 1 (katze)
believe this is correct
oh yeah i guess i should explain the vote on cape
these posts all pinged me back to back to back
this was a real readslist of mine from earlier on
cape feeling the need to towncase themselves(?) randomly feels like they know that anyone who isnt them dying today extends the game
I thought they looked kinda partnery
:really:
if dobby is mafia im literally so good at mafia
also this post just feels fake af to me :shrug:
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