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Cuthillius
05-01-2022, 21:24
why is it now that im softening up on cape that everyone else is like "oh its obviously cape and katze was a genius all along" help
i bet it's because of #thefear
Cuthillius
05-01-2022, 21:25
i don't think it's obviously cape i just think they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips and i've locked in two people i was v-reading but didn't personally have locked in and i can't bring myself to actually think it's you or dobby even though i know both of you could be capable of doing the things you've done
i bet it's because of #thefear
wait you're supposed to say this when you say "wait but it might be katze they're a good wolf"
i don't think it's obviously cape i just think they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips and i've locked in two people i was v-reading but didn't personally have locked in and i can't bring myself to actually think it's you or dobby even though i know both of you could be capable of doing the things you've done
lmao
like here
you add a #TheFear here smh
Cuthillius
05-01-2022, 21:45
lmao
like here
you add a #TheFear here smh
you terrify me all the way deep down into my soul
i will not contemplate dobby rask or hk today, starting from there. working through stuff.
well it was because the vested person was kinda revealed and I didn't wanna be blown up for a silly reason like "oh Cape fakeclaimed vest when I had vest" or w/e
i believe this
am i an idiot?
i reread a chunk of cape's iso
i now think he's town, almost blatantly so
i don't wanna vote him
This is literally town points to me. Like majorly so. Wolves love to make weird and hedgy reads on town, it's because they know that I am town and that their mafias are mafias. This really doesn't incriminate me like you think it does
this is also correct re: ender's read on cape, it looks more like he is opening himself up to misyeeting cape later down the line
amazing what a brain reset does to you
not gonna case it because i don't have time but with fresh eyes outside the tunnel i dont think im voting him ever
Raskolnikov
05-01-2022, 22:21
2 more dumb thoughts on why benneh died over raskolnikov
rask pushed cuth super hard, benneh pushed cuth pretty hard
there wasa little tinfoil on benneh expressed (or maybe just from me) in thread so that couldve potentially been taken advantage of by wolf
rask not dying could be because the woof wants cuth to keep being hard pushed by someone (although benneh did it too he wasnt as passionate about it as rask was)
and theres also the viewpoint where, if rask does die, reading into "why did rask die over benneh" would be 500 red fat arrows pointing at cuth
but that could also be done to get a free kill on cuth
but having cuth in f3 is a cool thing for wolves if cuth is town because ending the game without cuth dying is like... kinda lol
and yes to clarify my issue with today because i dont think i have worded it out (im bolding because i think reading this post will be awful if anyone even tries it and this might improve readability but i think i have actually good thoughts here)
READ THIS PART IF UR GONNA READ ANYTHING pls
I was very set on Cuth or Katze yoink for today, and Katze is hard shielding Cuth now. Meaning if I'm going to trust Katze as town or potential town, I need to find someone outside of those two. That'd probably be Cape. But katze and Cuth feel way higher on my priority list. And it's a perfect scenario for wolf katze to try and get to endstages of the game with. It's not as beneficial for anyone else.
So if Katze is actually town, the Cuth read is real. If Cuth is town, Katzes read on Cuth could be fake, but Katze can also go back to saying "I was wrong sorry" and it won't get us any closer to solving Katze, and then we either yoink katze or we go someone else and BAM f3 where anything can happen.
So like, any logical thoughts i might have just tell me Katze is the best yeet, but looking at the above, another yoink chain that doesn't make the game impossible COULD be Cape -> Katze and then f3 with Cuth +2 (probably HK and me or Sleep unless someone wants to keep the rask tinfoil alive)
That would mean we leave Cuth til f3. But if Cape is town, we HAVE to kill katze after for any of it to make sense according to the above, and uh, sure that is fine but awful to drag the game out
that was more than 2 thoughts
I guess, yeah. I am certainly here to vote Cuth.
Players Votes
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
katze 1 (hollowkatt)
Raskolnikov
05-01-2022, 22:27
vote: katze
Raskolnikov
05-01-2022, 22:28
sorry Visor, but u know the drill :hide:
not gonna case it because i don't have time but with fresh eyes outside the tunnel i dont think im voting him ever
id strongly appreciate it if you did because clearing v!cape would be gamewinning
I guess, yeah. I am certainly here to vote Cuth.
vote: katze
you spelled cuth wrong, bronana
id strongly appreciate it if you did because clearing v!cape would be gamewinning
fwiw you dont need to write out a massive case just would appreciate anything
i think he's absolutely less villagery than id expect from v!cape, including what i saw in the mash, but you played the mash so your experience there is worth more than my brief observations
fwiw you dont need to write out a massive case just would appreciate anything
i think he's absolutely less villagery than id expect from v!cape, including what i saw in the mash, but you played the mash so your experience there is worth more than my brief observations
have you seen him as mafia or is this just "not up to the standards of his usual towngame"
because the impression i got from reading his posting over the last two phases with fresh eyes is it is very much his towngame is the short answer
Im watching a movie but kwep thinking about this game
Sleep you say you read capes iso and don't see how he's wolf
I say, read his interactions with the woofs, and read katze/cuth interactions. Specifically with ender. I quoted a lot of those relevant posts and some thoughts on them. You can't just watch his posts in isolation, that's not super useful atp.
I don't mind a cuth vote either because yeah I wrote why a few times but I think cape is the hit
Im watching a movie but kwep thinking about this game
Sleep you say you read capes iso and don't see how he's wolf
I say, read his interactions with the woofs, and read katze/cuth interactions. Specifically with ender. I quoted a lot of those relevant posts and some thoughts on them. You can't just watch his posts in isolation, that's not super useful atp.
I don't mind a cuth vote either because yeah I wrote why a few times but I think cape is the hit
okay i'll give it a look
have you seen him as mafia or is this just "not up to the standards of his usual towngame"
because the impression i got from reading his posting over the last two phases with fresh eyes is it is very much his towngame is the short answer
mostly the latter, i have seen him wolf but i'd be lying if i said i remembered it very well
if i wanted to throw out a buzzword id say "nuance" and then let it echo a few times but ill reopen the iso and see how i feelze
the uh biggest fear of mine idly in the back of my head is that katze was taking advantage of my paranoia about newc to drive a wagon there eod2
i still need to reread katze/cuth but i think one of those two is where i am going today unless i read both and decide i like neither
the uh biggest fear of mine idly in the back of my head is that katze was taking advantage of my paranoia about newc to drive a wagon there eod2
i still need to reread katze/cuth but i think one of those two is where i am going today unless i read both and decide i like neither
what
you werent even on newcomb at eod2
mostly the latter, i have seen him wolf but i'd be lying if i said i remembered it very well
if i wanted to throw out a buzzword id say "nuance" and then let it echo a few times but ill reopen the iso and see how i feelze
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/mha-fm-game-thread-game-over-villain-team-wins/1424/397
you can give him a skim in this if you want a refresher
thing that set off alarms for me in that game was his cases on people were just terrible and his energy fell off a cliff as the game went along
im gonna go look over the interaction stuff dobby pointed out
what
you werent even on newcomb at eod2
yeah but i was suspicious of him and you kind of took that and ran with it, then i chickened out
have you seen him as mafia or is this just "not up to the standards of his usual towngame"
because the impression i got from reading his posting over the last two phases with fresh eyes is it is very much his towngame is the short answer
I thought something along those lines earlier, like yesterday (as in today, not yestergameday) but reading d1 specifically with interactions and not just his posts in isolation is two completely different things
I just.. cape/cuth into katze. I think its just that.
Yeah in f3 reread hks posts but I feel like he might be a nk. I had some sus on him early but left that behind but in a f3 situation look back at it
Sleep idk some sus stuff but a lot of kinda clearing
Rask is town
Feels I've I've written these things 50 times
This was relating to a post katze made on Ender (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830461&viewfull=1#post2053830461)
wait I just realized the wall was on Newcomb, not Ender
I distinctly remember something else I said but I dont see anything
No
I thought a wall they made was on Newcomb was an Ender wall, so no I cannot
this is still such a weird sequence and im like....
is it w!cape actually just not reading my posts and assuming i was going to be cleared? is it v!cape misremembering history?
it's just so weird. there's layers to it, like... if v!cape was distraught about the newcomb flip then X, w!cape was just trying to survive in any way possible... etc etc
This was relating to a post katze made on Ender (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830461&viewfull=1#post2053830461)
wait I just realized the wall was on Newcomb, not Ender
I distinctly remember something else I said but I dont see anything
yeah but i was suspicious of him and you kind of took that and ran with it, then i chickened out
not... really? i was suspicious of him before you ever were and it never reaalllllly went away, i larped a bit at sod2 to try to wifom myself into believing he was town but it didn't stick very long before i went back to disliking a majority of his posting
multiquote pls
also ill check that FoL game, but ew discourse ��
There are a few more things I'd like to do but I won't have time :( wehwehwehwehweeeeeeeh
okay wow that wolfgame is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than i remembered from him LMAO
hold on im finding one on MU real quick
I thought something along those lines earlier, like yesterday (as in today, not yestergameday) but reading d1 specifically with interactions and not just his posts in isolation is two completely different things
I just.. cape/cuth into katze. I think its just that.
Yeah in f3 reread hks posts but I feel like he might be a nk. I had some sus on him early but left that behind but in a f3 situation look back at it
Sleep idk some sus stuff but a lot of kinda clearing
Rask is town
Feels I've I've written these things 50 times
can you point me to the cape interactions stuff you looked at? i have been AWOL and the game is long and my memory is short and we are low on time, i will tell you if it looks like how he interacts with his partners
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 22:59
okay hollowkatt re your tinfoil on rask, look at this sequence and tell me its w/w/w, that rask chooses to bump heads with two wolfmates simultaneously and be pretty aggro like this. just no, rask lock v
Yeah, Rask lock V
Players Votes
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
katze 2 (hollowkatt, Raskolnikov)
can you point me to the cape interactions stuff you looked at? i have been AWOL and the game is long and my memory is short and we are low on time, i will tell you if it looks like how he interacts with his partners
I literally did a few hours ago in my burst of stuff I want to do before I need to afk
I literally did a few hours ago in my burst of stuff I want to do before I need to afk
i thought you had a point about how cape interacted with flipped scum in specific, most of the stuff i see from you is on cuth?
Raskolnikov
05-01-2022, 23:09
HK, why were you tinfoiling me today again?
unless i misunderstood what you meant
i will prob be around even less tomorrow
villas
newcomb
zack
benneh
katze
sleep
HK
mont
ladd
cape
:clown:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831521&viewfull=1#post2053831521
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828609&viewfull=1#post2053828609
Also I yhink at least one or two more places
And mainly, kqtze and cuths interactions with ender (o linked q lot of them and commented) just look too... advanced to be w/w, I gave examples, but a lot of it is like, ender cares too much to persuade them of stuff instead of just have some interactions and move on which would make more sense for a wolf
Katze way less likely to be teamed with ender for the above reason, but cuth also looks good if we only look at that
cape wolfgame on MU i found was less bad than the FoL one
would say this is either a lazy village game or a good wolf game from cape
not sure if i'm quite in "hardclear cape hes not a wolf" territory but... i see it? it's marinating in my head and i kinda wish i did this yesterday
i thought you had a point about how cape interacted with flipped scum in specific, most of the stuff i see from you is on cuth?
How ender wrote about him, qnd the other way around, maybe mainly enders approach which was kinda uh lazy considering what cape got in return., couldn't link all because yeah too much
Either way, don't clear cape on his iso only, you need to look at the flipped wolves I think. I feel like d1 was pretty easy to follow in that regard. If you feel like it's too much open a page and ctrl f cape or ender
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:15
idk who im voting rn but im hedging real hard in my head rn so im assuming i'd not agree with whoever it is
vote:unvote
gonna take a short break, i think i have a lean in one direction but it is a lot less confident than id like it to be
vote: unvote
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:16
HK, why were you tinfoiling me today again?
inactivity basically. Not in that "inactivity for rask is a wolf tell" sort of way but in a "if town is eating itself wolf wants to avoid the thread" sort of way.
I do think we will get there with the work that's been done and I don't think we can blame ourselves whoever we vote todya
would say this is either a lazy village game or a good wolf game from cape
when my main concerns with cape this game are "l a c k i n g" this read is really funny
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:19
i believe this
am i an idiot?
if I wanted to be as uncharitable as possible cape says this because he realized his partner was vested and wanted to avoid a situation where his partner is forced to blow him up.
if I wanted to be as uncharitable as possible cape says this because he realized his partner was vested and wanted to avoid a situation where his partner is forced to blow him up.
a wolf with a vest is always going to openwolf with it tho?
i dont understand this
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831521&viewfull=1#post2053831521
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828609&viewfull=1#post2053828609
Also I yhink at least one or two more places
And mainly, kqtze and cuths interactions with ender (o linked q lot of them and commented) just look too... advanced to be w/w, I gave examples, but a lot of it is like, ender cares too much to persuade them of stuff instead of just have some interactions and move on which would make more sense for a wolf
Katze way less likely to be teamed with ender for the above reason, but cuth also looks good if we only look at that
okay 1. i think ender and ladd shielding cape that way makes him MORE likely to be town, not less. this has been ponging around in my head all week and it is where i settled.
2. i think that all the cuth interactions with scum that i have seen quoted are, uh
scummy for him based on my view of his meta that i spent a bunch of time researching
in the sense that he goes out of his way to interact with his partners sometimes in cheeky ways and will try to deflect attention from them but never outright defend or townread them. in fact i felt like that convo with ender might have been the most he spent on interacting with anyone in the game?
Either way, don't clear cape on his iso only, you need to look at the flipped wolves I think. I feel like d1 was pretty easy to follow in that regard. If you feel like it's too much open a page and ctrl f cape or ender
i am basically snapping off this read and his day 1 was lacking in a lot of regards but thats my feeling right now
i will try to do a quick search
uhhh it's been a combination of "cape kinda moving up" and "cuth moving down"
fwiw im still currently leaning on cape being the wolf but when i wrote that post one of his posts gave me a lot of pause
like... i read this post and my impression is "this is exactly the perspective i think v!cape would have, maybe he is just having a really lacking game and i need to evaluate the perspective more than the content"
and then i kinda short circuited and left thread and now im back and im still kinda thinking about it but i'm also not sure what his actual perspective wrt the last wolf is because his last few posts are like. he doesn't seem to think it's cuth. or sleep. or me? so does he think it's you/hk? does he think it's raskol? i guess he's kinda hedging on cuth so my mental model of cape rn is thinking that it's prob cuth but with low confidence?
idk i was hoping he'd answer my question before i answered yours because the ambiguity of his perspective is... not inherently wolfy but it's easy for my brain to see as such
I have made it pretty clear that I don't think the mafia is Raskol here, like I would rather save that thought for another day especially given
Just vote Ender before leaving though.
When you come back, we will talk about your sense of consensus and also willingness to AtE at 2 votes :) (I am kinda wording this as a joke, but when I have read your content I may come back to this)
Explain how that was AtE or I vote you
Are you trying to make me look bad? What part of that was appealing to emotion
this string of events that was pointed out pretty much just now by Dobby. Also I think their double down on the thing and arguing with Dobby probably comes from town.
What I have seen from HK games, I find when they are wolf, they usually get more easily found out if that makes sense? I guess I can look, but they have good content and I think that would indicate in itself that HK isn't mafia.
I said this about Dobby/sleep
BTW never consider Sleep in final 3, my advice is if you or sleep make it to final 3, other 2 people should vote each other.
I don't think I made it clear, but I told Dobby this, I think Dobby has definitely by far has been the most solvy today which makes me just want to keep Dobby alive and probably just have them in towncore.
I am still a little back and forth on you and Cuth, but I almost don't want to think it's either of you, but at the same time, I think it might be, I think Cuth is a little more rand wolf today rather then you mostly for today where I don't really find Cuth's content today that compelling.
I will read wolf!HK since I just don't know his meta and get back to you on that ;)
why do I have almost as many posts as ender right now, this doesnt seem right, I feel like they really declined in activity from yesterday to today
Something to do with losing 24 hours to a migraine and also having D&D on the weekends. =P
I do have a life outside mafia yes.
snrrrkt
if I wanted to be as uncharitable as possible cape says this because he realized his partner was vested and wanted to avoid a situation where his partner is forced to blow him up.
i didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that
Truly flawless logic
Vote: Newcomb
fine
if I die, I think Ender should be at least double checked, like where they at?
Where I'm at is in thread.
oh god
oh man
i didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that
Truly flawless logic
yeah that's pretty lol
oh god
oh man
Yup this kind of thing as well
cape wolfgame on MU i found was less bad than the FoL one
would say this is either a lazy village game or a good wolf game from cape
not sure if i'm quite in "hardclear cape hes not a wolf" territory but... i see it? it's marinating in my head and i kinda wish i did this yesterday
Boston>FOL wolf game>fruit vendor>didney worl 3
wolf games ranked fwiw
if i randed wolf and got a vest i would have blown up a teammate for "wifom purposes" and then when my other teammates carry us to a win i'd say it was a calculated play that only the best wolf in the world could do
tbh
okay wow that wolfgame is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than i remembered from him LMAO
hold on im finding one on MU real quick
I absolutely froze after like day 2 there
Boston>FOL wolf game>fruit vendor>didney worl 3
wolf games ranked fwiw
oh i knew there was another one i wasnt thinking of, the anonmash (i thought your fruit vendor one was better than the FoL one personally)
im currently skimming a towngame just to get a frame of reference again but i might skim that
didney worl
oh i knew there was another one i wasnt thinking of, the anonmash (i thought your fruit vendor one was better than the FoL one personally)
im currently skimming a towngame just to get a frame of reference again but i might skim that
didney worl
ngl my town game in FOL wasn't much better
ender, do you think there are any ways in which the general consensus of the thread starkly differs from your perception of the game?
i feel ender is >(>*.5)rand villagery despite also doing a lot of wolfy things
this makes me feel less cozy about some people i called villagers earlier
more on this another time
these quotes are. wolfy.
ngl my town game in FOL wasn't much better
clearly this is indicative of FoL being the best mafia site in the world (i hear the best player ever hails from there)
or different environments being difficult for you to adjust to
or you choosing the wrong player to hydra with
anyway after kinda skimming your champs d1s i still think you're somewhere in the middle between the wolf and town games tbh
Sleep
if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?
im reading cuths iso and all the bad feels are coming back
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:42
a wolf with a vest is always going to openwolf with it tho?
i dont understand this
yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
Okay NGL what I am seeing right now from HK's wolfgames looks quite different then what I have observed in this game.
Not sure if it's the feeling that HK is putting less thought into the games in his wolf game then here, but it is kinda what it looks like to me. Seems to be more filler posts in that game then there are here. Seems to be more skepticism/meta stuff here.
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:44
I have made it pretty clear that I don't think the mafia is Raskol here, like I would rather save that thought for another day especially given
this string of events that was pointed out pretty much just now by Dobby. Also I think their double down on the thing and arguing with Dobby probably comes from town.
What I have seen from HK games, I find when they are wolf, they usually get more easily found out if that makes sense? I guess I can look, but they have good content and I think that would indicate in itself that HK isn't mafia.
I said this about Dobby/sleep
I don't think I made it clear, but I told Dobby this, I think Dobby has definitely by far has been the most solvy today which makes me just want to keep Dobby alive and probably just have them in towncore.
I am still a little back and forth on you and Cuth, but I almost don't want to think it's either of you, but at the same time, I think it might be, I think Cuth is a little more rand wolf today rather then you mostly for today where I don't really find Cuth's content today that compelling.
I will read wolf!HK since I just don't know his meta and get back to you on that ;)
When I am a wolf I either am found early (before N3 or so) or I end game and win.
See MU Champs S7 Q1, Bluey Mafia on The Syndicate for end gaming HK
MU S7 Spec Chat: The Game, Thanksgiving Champs S7, Ducktales on The Syndicate for caught early type games.
Sleep
if you compare what you saw from cape in the mash to what you see this game, ignoring the wolf game on FoL, what would you conclude?
i really dont think you can meta off a mash necessarily (in either case, i skimmed the anon game too). too compressed a timeframe and high noise level
but from what i rad back of his stuff recently it feels like he's consistently putting out genuine analysis in-thread? and he's still at the level where that is not an easy thing for him to fake as scum, at all
that is the short version of it and its an impressionistic read but its what i got from him. could really dissect it but am working on a shortened timescale here
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:45
if i randed wolf and got a vest i would have blown up a teammate for "wifom purposes" and then when my other teammates carry us to a win i'd say it was a calculated play that only the best wolf in the world could do
tbh
kinda like the deck mafia game where Alison shot her last partner with a day vig action and then just about won off of the cred.
yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
yeah but w!ender just... bombed the clear. he was always going to bomb the clear. there is really no conceivable world the vest being given to a wolf ever gets used on a PoE player regardless of the PoEs purity, it will always be used on clears and top town because it's not a dayvig, it's a suicide bomb
they dont need to look villagery cuz they're flipping with it lmao
like ik you're flat out saying this is intentionally disingenuous but i think regardless of who teh wolf is ender got the vest and was like "yo visor im blowing up sunbae lmao"
anyway after kinda skimming your champs d1s i still think you're somewhere in the middle between the wolf and town games tbh
decided to look there for fun
laughed at my read on Cuth OMG
I was just like "Well Cuth had a readslist here in this town game at this point in the game, but in this game Cuth has no readslist at this point in the game"
LMAO dude my early day reads are so funny
i really dont think you can meta off a mash necessarily (in either case, i skimmed the anon game too). too compressed a timeframe and high noise level
but from what i rad back of his stuff recently it feels like he's consistently putting out genuine analysis in-thread? and he's still at the level where that is not an easy thing for him to fake as scum, at all
that is the short version of it and its an impressionistic read but its what i got from him. could really dissect it but am working on a shortened timescale here
yeah so we can agree that that's a staple of his towngame (it's also present in the champs games)
and i agree that, specifically looking at the FoL wolfgame, this game is definitely above that
but i still think it's below the town games
idk. in my head im going back and forth between "if you think he's lacking and your two choices are 'lazy villager' or 'good wolfgame' then he's prob just a lazy villager you dumb cat" and "where banana" (in this analogy bananas are analysis, katzeland is weird)
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:49
yeah but w!ender just... bombed the clear. he was always going to bomb the clear. there is really no conceivable world the vest being given to a wolf ever gets used on a PoE player regardless of the PoEs purity, it will always be used on clears and top town because it's not a dayvig, it's a suicide bomb
they dont need to look villagery cuz they're flipping with it lmao
like ik you're flat out saying this is intentionally disingenuous but i think regardless of who teh wolf is ender got the vest and was like "yo visor im blowing up sunbae lmao"
katze, I said originally I was being as uncharitable as humanly possible. I don't think that's what actually happened. Obvs Ender is always going to bomb the claimed PR. Obvs Cape is always going to rescind the vest. it's all moot
yeah, but here's the line: The Collective We decide We want Cape bombed because he's claiming to have the vest and not backing down. Ender can either bomb his partner or he can open wolf, but if he open wolfs we just chop Cape yeah?
Backing off is the only play wolf?Cape can make there without outing himself. Anyways, I said I was being as uncharitable as possible. I don't think it's actually true tho.
me backing down isn't AI, what are you saying?
me backing down isn't AI, what are you saying?
I can't believe HK believes I would brainwash the Sorc into believing they bombed me instead of who they bombed.
That must be some 200 IQ robot stuff
decided to look there for fun
laughed at my read on Cuth OMG
I was just like "Well Cuth had a readslist here in this town game at this point in the game, but in this game Cuth has no readslist at this point in the game"
LMAO dude my early day reads are so funny
(It was like 300ish posts in the game too)
katze, I said originally I was being as uncharitable as humanly possible. I don't think that's what actually happened. Obvs Ender is always going to bomb the claimed PR. Obvs Cape is always going to rescind the vest. it's all moot
well if you wanted to be as uncharitable as possible and also realistic i think the path is like
cape knows that ender has the vest and is trying to play it up like he doesn't
because that's a possibility i have genuinely considered and, if he is mafia, is probably exactly what happened
:p
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:53
oh my god forget I ever said anything about cape, the vest, and ender. I was being as uncharitable as possible, I don't actually think that's what happened. It was a thought exercise in "how bad can I make this look", nothing more.
Clearly I don't believe that's what happened.
also im a dumbass and agreed to play video games with my friends at 7 (so in like 10 minutes) and eod is at 8 so i will uh
suffer i guess
yeah so we can agree that that's a staple of his towngame (it's also present in the champs games)
and i agree that, specifically looking at the FoL wolfgame, this game is definitely above that
but i still think it's below the town games
idk. in my head im going back and forth between "if you think he's lacking and your two choices are 'lazy villager' or 'good wolfgame' then he's prob just a lazy villager you dumb cat" and "where banana" (in this analogy bananas are analysis, katzeland is weird)
i dunno theres some stuff that seems maybe tmi-ish but the way hes kept it up has been dece. i could go back and case it but i got an hour to READ stuff and make up my own mind unfortunately
hollowkatt
05-01-2022, 23:54
well if you wanted to be as uncharitable as possible and also realistic i think the path is like
cape knows that ender has the vest and is trying to play it up like he doesn't
because that's a possibility i have genuinely considered and, if he is mafia, is probably exactly what happened
:p
nah, I think if cape/ender are paired cape doesn't say much of anything about the vest, he plays like normal, maybe even lays some sus down before the bomb goes off, and plays from there.
Players Votes
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
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i dunno theres some stuff that seems maybe tmi-ish but the way hes kept it up has been dece. i could go back and case it but i got an hour to READ stuff and make up my own mind unfortunately
i enjoy that 24 hours ago i wanted to maj myself and now with 1 hour to go i want the day to be extended
im reading my own posts since viggo figured me out in the mash by pointing out i use town/wolf andi see myself doing it here and im dying inside lmao
Raskolnikov
05-01-2022, 23:56
also im a dumbass and agreed to play video games with my friends at 7 (so in like 10 minutes) and eod is at 8 so i will uh
suffer i guess
have fun. we will handle this :bow:
i didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that
Truly flawless logic
okay wait
I think I get what HK is saying here
But like, if wolf got vest, we cannot force wolf into making a decision like that since that wolf is dying anyways, they WILL be outed. Wolf with vest is just an antispew machine who wants to kill sorc or the towniest person alive
nah, I think if cape/ender are paired cape doesn't say much of anything about the vest, he plays like normal, maybe even lays some sus down before the bomb goes off, and plays from there.
i more or less agree with this sentiment
im NGL I thought Rask might have forgot about this game after yesterday
ladd what's even more incredible is that your ability to read and appreciate the points i'm making in my posts appears to be inversely correlated with my ability to write points that feel like they make sense to me
hng
have fun. we will handle this :bow:
its okay i have a 2nd monitor and it looks like the game is alt tabbing well enough just dont expect paragraphs from me :bow:
the reason i'm v-reading ender so strongly is a) the like i'm gonna take this game on my shoulders come what may attitude paired with b) the way he responded to my probing
i don't think like anyone would be that thrilled with things being teased apart that way but it was definitely much more strongly the vibe of someone who had thought about and believed in somewhat contradictory and odd perspectives and was upset at someone poking them than someone who'd just come up with takes whole cloth and then got defensive as a show
idk if it's a super clear distinction for anyone else but i believe moderately strongly in this + i think they've been a prime slot to push for wolves if v basically the entire day and indeed people have been pushing them kinda constantly and i think in ways that don't really make sense in terms of reading ender specifically
in particular i have somewhat cold feet wrt ladd and his direction today but idk
oh and more to the point if this is tryhard wolf bladescape i think that maintaining this level of play would be challenging in a way distinct from average in this playerlist
ie i'm happy with what i'm seeing today and i'm not super worried about him going super deep if w and i'm very happy with holding him to the precedent he set d1 in future phases
dude its just cuth
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:00
im NGL I thought Rask might have forgot about this game after yesterday
I have not and I am reading loads about your games at FoL, or how you fake claiming D3 is AI. Which is not helping tbh.
I'm not sure what I think of the fact that kat is metadiving today as a means of solving tbqh
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:00
don't kill:
Raskol
Dobby
Katze
Cape
Probs don't kill Sleep
vote: Cuth
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:01
its okay i have a 2nd monitor and it looks like the game is alt tabbing well enough just dont expect paragraphs from me :bow:
it's OK. You can attend your CFD too. :yes:
I have not and I am reading loads about your games at FoL, or how you fake claiming D3 is AI. Which is not helping tbh.
oh cool so your only reading the recent posts.
I have said my piece earlier
I'm not sure what I think of the fact that kat is metadiving today as a means of solving tbqh
gira brought up cape being town compared to meta
i thought it was probably a bad read and then read stuff on my own
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:02
don't kill:
Raskol
Dobby
Katze
Cape
Probs don't kill Sleep
vote: Cuth
ok so the wolf just sent wifom at us killing Benneh?
Players Votes
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
uh sure i can flesh it out once i catch up
off the top of my head his posting last night was pretty yawn and then he was pushing something i didn't like when i voted him
(when asked by benneh about his rask read)
okay so like. there is a running theme here with cuth. i will talk about it later when i am caught up if it keeps going.
your point being?
i didn't say "i wrote a bunch of words about rask in my iso"
i said "i voted rask because his entrance was lackluster and he was pushing something i didn't like right before i voted him and i'll give it a closer look once i've caught up"
....
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:05
don't kill:
Raskol
Dobby
Katze
Cape
Probs don't kill Sleep
vote: Cuth
I prolly missed it, but can you walk me through your flip on katze (pretty sure you were voting them when I did)?
it looks like the two ~consensus (given this point in the game) reads you list are ladd/sunbae v?
second seems dubious given that zack and others have suspected him
wrt ladd do you think your issues could be a result of him latching onto a specific "tell" and anchoring onto it and then your automatically suspecting him because he's pressuring you for suspect reasons? what do you think about his content outside of his push on you? do you think it's meaningful that a lot of people are v-reading him?
how do you feel about the larger-scale pushes on sunbae in the context of your main issue being that particular thing he said
why do you think him walking that back is something he'd be more likely to do as a wolf than as a villager? what are some reasons you think he could have done that there as town?
I see this last question here and man is it a little strange to me. Like, when I make reads on who is wolf, I usually tend not to really care about how many people are town reading someone, especially like day 1 when it is a scramble.
is it really just Cuth here?
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:07
ok so the wolf just sent wifom at us killing Benneh?
I'm fairly confident it's not Katze or Cape.
You're obvs town and die tonight
Dobby is also obvs town and should die after you.
Benneh died b/c he was the towniest of all of us.
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:07
you are all driving me crazy lads
So, if I vote myself out will people believe I have something on Newcomb and go there tomorrow instead of staying off them for ? reasons?
for the love of all that is good in the world please just don't.
vote: cuth
im not going to lie, #1003 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829296&viewfull=1#post2053829296) tipped me over the edge
I don't mind this if Newcomb is off the table.
I do not feel like their reads feel entirely legit. Especially the way they've treated me.
.............................
gotta brb for dinner will be here at EOD
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:08
I prolly missed it, but can you walk me through your flip on katze (pretty sure you were voting them when I did)?
I was voting Katze because Katze self-voted. When they unvoted I unvoted. I wanted Cape to start the day with Katze being town. Now I'm less sold on Cape b/c combo of their posting and Sleep pointing out all sorts of anti-Cuth things. Which jibes with where I was days ago.
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:08
like yesterday each time I was posting about Cuth, he was looking more townie... now you all quote the same stuff and go "yeah, it's just Cuth lolz".
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:10
vote: katze
vote: katze
always, and I mean always, oblige the self-voter.
idk who im voting rn but im hedging real hard in my head rn so im assuming i'd not agree with whoever it is
vote:unvote
gonna take a short break, i think i have a lean in one direction but it is a lot less confident than id like it to be
vote: unvote
Raskolnikov
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:10
like yesterday each time I was posting about Cuth, he was looking more townie... now you all quote the same stuff and go "yeah, it's just Cuth lolz".
why do you think it's Katze?
I'm fairly confident it's not Katze or Cape.
You're obvs town and die tonight
Dobby is also obvs town and should die after you.
Benneh died b/c he was the towniest of all of us.
Let me die please I'm doing more work
I don't get you clearing cape and katze but prolly cuz I haven't read closely enough lol
I was voting Katze because Katze self-voted. When they unvoted I unvoted. I wanted Cape to start the day with Katze being town. Now I'm less sold on Cape b/c combo of their posting and Sleep pointing out all sorts of anti-Cuth things. Which jibes with where I was days ago.
But how does anti cuth stuff from sleep mean we shouldn't kill Cape. Those are in no way like, one excluding the other
Vote: Cuthillius
I don't think they have done themselves favors today, would rather go here then katze today
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:14
Let me die please I'm doing more work
I don't get you clearing cape and katze but prolly cuz I haven't read closely enough lol
you'll have to take that up with the wolf tbh.
You're not missing anything really, I haven't cleared them with posts in thread, just in that list / my reads list. I think katze has been townie for most of the game, had some fear for a day, then went back to town. Cape I think has been townie today and not in a "back against the wall" sort of way. I grok the posts Sleep is making about Cuth which reminded me of being suspect of Cuth the other day so I'm back there.
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:14
But how does anti cuth stuff from sleep mean we shouldn't kill Cape. Those are in no way like, one excluding the other
because I think on the whole cuth has been wolfier than cape
Players Votes
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
Cuthillius 2 (hollowkatt, Cape90)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
I was voting Katze because Katze self-voted. When they unvoted I unvoted. I wanted Cape to start the day with Katze being town. Now I'm less sold on Cape b/c combo of their posting and Sleep pointing out all sorts of anti-Cuth things. Which jibes with where I was days ago.
I was partially thinking that katze was doing the whole town self vote thing.
Maybe that's not a so great read since that is pretty anti win town con.
You know I did not start the day or whatever with katze being town.
why did you want that?
like yesterday each time I was posting about Cuth, he was looking more townie... now you all quote the same stuff and go "yeah, it's just Cuth lolz".
okay what made cuth look more towny to you?
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:16
why do you think it's Katze?
meh, it's a tinfoil I have since Newcomb's yeet. Partly because I have had doubts about the woofs bussing Ladd (2 KPs less for the pack is huge), and also because I don't think they are very solvey. I don't have that much xp with them but there are numerous posts in their ISO which are just there to look good, or straight up openwolfing. I do think they have lacked agenda though.
tbfh, spamming #thefear isn't helping. (because it works, I just want to yeet them into the sun rn)
because I think on the whole cuth has been wolfier than cape
And sleep not in that list? Idk weh
Imma stay on Cape and hope that cuth dies so I can say we'll I was right or game ends and nobody remembers I went Cape over cuth
I liked cuthilius' exchange saying that newcomb had a rather tepid take, thought it was kind of bold
:book2:
And sleep not in that list? Idk weh
Imma stay on Cape and hope that cuth dies so I can say we'll I was right or game ends and nobody remembers I went Cape over cuth
this feels like openwolfing without actually openwolfing
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:19
I'm fairly confident it's not Katze or Cape.
You're obvs town and die tonight
Dobby is also obvs town and should die after you.
Benneh died b/c he was the towniest of all of us.
tbh, I tinfoiled this post too (you can tell about my mental state lmao). I know you are prolly just villa, but as a wolf I'd love to write it exactly this way. (so you see, the tinfoil isn't real, I am just projecting my wolf meta on your slot lmao)
i think it's specifically kinda wolfy in that particular situation but maybe it's just me
I have no idea why Cuth would say this about themselves if they are town
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:22
okay what made cuth look more towny to you?
just I am leaning more and more toward a "there was no bus D1" world.
Also, Benneh dying makes it unlikely? maybe I am just dumb. (it's highly possible lmao)
Players Votes
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
Cuthillius 2 (hollowkatt, Cape90)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
same as last one
this wall feels exactly like a w!katze catchup wall lmao
i know i've caught myself like, overrelying on "link post - describe thought" a hell of a lot more as mafia than as town where i'm more... things line up better, i guess? instead of "this post is wolfy *links post*. this post is townie *links post*" it'd be more like "i have mixed feelings" (okay this is a bad example but im not going to make a better one)
Does w!katze really comment on their wolf partner's wall like this?
I lean no
this feels like openwolfing without actually openwolfing
I have 400 posts it was bound to happen
I'm honestly leaning more towards wanting cuth dead rn but those ender things make me feel like... I can't not vote you
Idk, I guess I'm just not super worried about the game anymore with the job that's been put into it and if it gets to f3 it feels easier in a way
just I am leaning more and more toward a "there was no bus D1" world.
Also, Benneh dying makes it unlikely? maybe I am just dumb. (it's highly possible lmao)
I really think it's not weird for cuth to make that vote (something something check out haunted by slep where cuth makes his wolf buddy wagon pivot to top wagon during eod) it's close to identical
I have 400 posts it was bound to happen
I'm honestly leaning more towards wanting cuth dead rn but those ender things make me feel like... I can't not vote you
Idk, I guess I'm just not super worried about the game anymore with the job that's been put into it and if it gets to f3 it feels easier in a way
The ender things to me make it seem like they are trying to townread me because they think I was going to get pushed that day so that they could get towncred for saying that I was town and that he told you all so!
But I am also like super biased
i think rask probably fits into more worlds than monty
but also that feels like a conversation for another day
i take that back i remember monstr stuff rask is just v
this is interesting and a VERY quick change of heart
looking back i'm pretty sure i voted you primarily for
you'll never guess
your catchup being lackluster but mostly specifically this post
ender i've talked about more than enough
sunbae i think is pretty villagery but there's been enough waffling that it's conceivably something wolves feel absolutely fine going for
and monty is shrug it's fine but i don't super vibe with any of the people who feel more strongly about it than mild shrug and doesn't look good
and specifically i think these reads are presented from most to least objectionable
and in the absence of thinking any individuals are super wolfy i'm inclined to vote the people who are not actively villagery and who are also trying to kill people that a) i think are villagers and b) feel like villagers wolves would try to kill here
this case is
it's not a case
it's "rask disagrees with my reads therefore is evil" post
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:33
Someone remember that moment of D3 when katze went afk for some time out of bad mood? Is this AI? (I guess not, but if anyone have some meta of value, I am taking it rn)
i don't think it's obviously cape i just think they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips and i've locked in two people i was v-reading but didn't personally have locked in and i can't bring myself to actually think it's you or dobby even though i know both of you could be capable of doing the things you've done
just wanted to point out that I think this is the equivalent to a non read.
I don't know what Cuth means by "they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips" like... okay? elaborate?
no
my wolf game is levelly as shit
i can compare other people to this based on how levelly they are
some people are very good wolves so they can calibrate level in a way that i have a hard time reading even if otherwise process is different but monstr just always has that circuit in his brain running as either alignment and there's not really any super solid ground to read it off and we haven't played outside of that enough to develop other good ways of reading
remembering the posts about monstr. i know its been mentioned but like. the way he talks about it is so shifty
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:35
not gonna be here for eod
i trust gira's reads on non me people more than i trust mine either way i think I'm voting self pressy here
i wanna say for the record that the strength of katze's read and it's justification make no sense and i really don't understand the comparison with the champs game we played
but it was also a weird and similar v read on me in the game as well so i haven't been stressing about it too much but it did swell in my mind again when reading dobby posts overnight
Someone remember that moment of D3 when katze went afk for some time out of bad mood? Is this AI? (I guess not, but if anyone have some meta of value, I am taking it rn)
Feels like katze has had a few of those bad mood things and I don't want to make a read based on it tbqh
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:36
this case is
it's not a case
it's "rask disagrees with my reads therefore is evil" post
yes
i explicitly said that, dude
looking back at the cape stuff when i was initially v-reading it looks not so great esp with the perspective on overall wolf strategy
like what do you mean by "perspective on overall wolf strategy" thing? I read the post that cuth made there. And if cuth actually spent an hour making this post I think it just didn't pay off
just wanted to point out that I think this is the equivalent to a non read.
I don't know what Cuth means by "they look a lot worse now than they did before i read their early posts w/ flips" like... okay? elaborate?
this plays into what i was going to talk about!
it's not, i don't really have that much of a read on you
i'm voting you because i have an idea of who villagers are in this game and no real leads in any way on who the wolves are and so i'm voting people who aren't villagery and who are trying to kill villagers
that doesn't mean that your posts are wolfy it just means they're not villagery and you're trying to kill people i think are villagers and also in what could be an opportunistic way
i read a guide once (cant remember by who) that told me the hardest thing for wolves to do is fake wolfreads on villagers
and i think thats very true for cuth. he almost never actually cases people when hes a wolf. he votes them for being "not villagery enough"
and i think everything ive seen from him this game fits that bill. i was concerned about it day 1 but kind of had to back down because of the vote on ladd. but rereading its all coming back to me
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:40
I really think it's not weird for cuth to make that vote (something something check out haunted by slep where cuth makes his wolf buddy wagon pivot to top wagon during eod) it's close to identical
it really isn't dude
the circumstances are entirely differently i explained it earlier
i jumped on radishes in that game because it was literally the only way to endgame and both of the wolves were at the bottom of the overall quite good town poe and i got on like as it was swelling right before other people jumped on but the weather was swinging super strongly in that direction like iirc lissa voted there seconds after i did
also i read my posts from that game last night and the way you're talking about katze playing for wincon sounds very exactly like i was talking about people but god if i know how to feel about that
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:40
sleep is kiiling me
Another thing with cuth is that... I don't want to make an activity read but I'm making an activity read
Is he getting more heat/ is it getting more traction because he hasn't really been around?
Or is not being around related to.. you know.
I feel dirty
Someone remember that moment of D3 when katze went afk for some time out of bad mood? Is this AI? (I guess not, but if anyone have some meta of value, I am taking it rn)
yes i only have emotions as mafia
(no im an emotional soul)
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:40
this plays into what i was going to talk about!
i read a guide once (cant remember by who) that told me the hardest thing for wolves to do is fake wolfreads on villagers
and i think thats very true for cuth. he almost never actually cases people when hes a wolf. he votes them for being "not villagery enough"
and i think everything ive seen from him this game fits that bill. i was concerned about it day 1 but kind of had to back down because of the vote on ladd. but rereading its all coming back to me
except ladd actually was a mild wread i just didn't trust myself there with the people who didn't agree
i'm frankly shocked that people are still considering worlds in which ender is a wolf here
his progression on ladd makes basically no sense
and the way he's been playing is not how he'd play as a villager
idk if y'all are attributing playstyle differences to alignment-indicative stuff but its weird
and sorry for this tone but i am incredibly pooped atm i don't think it's ridiculous and people who think that are bad players or anything i just think it's pretty obvious from my reading
omfg
what if
WHAT IF
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:42
Another thing with cuth is that... I don't want to make an activity read but I'm making an activity read
Is he getting more heat/ is it getting more traction because he hasn't really been around?
Or is not being around related to.. you know.
I feel dirty
i haven't gotten a full night of sleep in well over a week and I've had three exams in the week and a half since the game started and another tomorrow at 8 am
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:42
Like I made that very post yesterday about cuth not casing (didn't mentionned the article though... best to pretend u learnt it on your own :D)
except ladd actually was a mild wread i just didn't trust myself there with the people who didn't agree
not relevant to the point im making
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:43
I have no idea why Cuth would say this about themselves if they are town
why would i say it as a wolf
i say it because it's a bad read ffs
not that i wouldn't say it as a wolf but ??
sleep is kiiling me
don't tinfoil sleep now!
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:44
i mostly just wanted to not kill newc d1
that was stronger than any vread
idk if i talked about it but that's what was up with my vote movement in large part
i haven't gotten a full night of sleep in well over a week and I've had three exams in the week and a half since the game started and another tomorrow at 8 am
I'm sorry I'm retracting that fully :( <3
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:45
yeah that's where this game is
it's a hard world
gonna be like that no matter what
happened with newc happened with monty
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:45
yes i only have emotions as mafia
(no im an emotional soul)
don't take it badly (I was actually looking for a way to clear you lol. the "I guess not" was there to mention I guessed I was on the wrong track)
Players Votes
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
Cuthillius 2 (hollowkatt, Cape90)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
same as last one
same as the last one
why would i say it as a wolf
i say it because it's a bad read ffs
not that i wouldn't say it as a wolf but ??
self-awareness
trying to discredit me
the fact that I have seen wolves make similar posts before
Those are the 3 I came up with
hey gira could you do me a favor and order this list from v->w
Cape90
cuthillius
katze
Raskolnikov
roro__b
Sleephollowkatt
lmao
apparently hollowkatt and i have become a hydra
rask
dobby
cape
hk
katze
cuth
sleep
ok i have a few minutes to talk uhh
i wish i had more to say but im vaguely following
think id vote cuth over cape rn
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:47
like don't not kill me because i said that, but also. I've barely been properly playing this game even d1 i feel like it's not that hard to tell
i mostly just wanted to not kill newc d1
that was stronger than any vread
idk if i talked about it but that's what was up with my vote movement in large part
where were you with zack on day 1?
omfg
what if
WHAT IF
Cuth was saying the opposite of this I think like later on right?
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:49
self-awareness
trying to discredit me
the fact that I have seen wolves make similar posts before
Those are the 3 I came up with
expletive discredit
if you're also a wolf and both you and ender accuse me of trying to discredit i will cry
but yes i am trying to discredit it in the sense that i think it is a bad incorrect read and deserves no credit
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:50
where were you with zack on day 1?
i was skeptical but didn't want to push because of history between us and i didn't feel like it was credible enough and i felt like he wouldn't be with other strong wolves in which case we could find him later and I've been wrong there plenty in the past
I'm sorry I'm retracting that fully :( <3
But qlso if cuth had been able to be active today like cape, wonder how the votes would've looked
It's a two edged sword something someyhing
lmao
apparently hollowkatt and i have become a hydra
rask
dobby
cape
hk
katze
cuth
sleep
where is your wolf agenda so I can tinfoil you in final 3? ~:confused: :hide: :bounce:
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:51
i want to kill all of you (in this game, for about five minutes at a time each) except for hk and rask and the person who most wants me to die
Cuth was saying the opposite of this I think like later on right?
no its that he flipped endeers alignment in that post like he forgot what he was supposed to be saying about him
i want to kill all of you (in this game, for about five minutes at a time each) except for hk and rask and the person who most wants me to die
Me too? Eek
vote: cuth
cant see myself going anywhere else
expletive discredit
if you're also a wolf and both you and ender accuse me of trying to discredit i will cry
but yes i am trying to discredit it in the sense that i think it is a bad incorrect read and deserves no credit
I was more leaning towards 1 then 2 tbh, but are you calling yourself wolf? Because I was speaking not in a v!Cuth world, but a w!Cuth world
i want to kill all of you (in this game, for about five minutes at a time each) except for hk and rask and the person who most wants me to die
ily
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:53
if there's a hard wolf ie not cape they've been shielding me lmao but have no issue killing me when it becomes dunky
but that's not really easy
wish I'd had more time to look over katze and dobby today
Players Votes
Cuthillius 3 (hollowkatt, Cape90, Sleep)
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
my game = lazy
my game = 3rd highest poster :sweatdrop:
if there's a hard wolf ie not cape they've been shielding me lmao but have no issue killing me when it becomes dunky
but that's not really easy
wish I'd had more time to look over katze and dobby today
Don't need to, I'm the towniest town that has ever existed after rmy last 2 days
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:53
omfg
what if
WHAT IF
oh i see what you're talking about
i can't believe you're serious
Don't need to, I'm the towniest town that has ever existed after rmy last 2 days
Imma qdd to it that in f3 imma go super saiyan wim-wise
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:54
like cape is just opportunistically dunking on me randomly but i don't hold them to a higher standard lol
Imma qdd to it that in f3 imma go super saiyan wim-wise
No I haven't watched the anime and I don't know from which one it is even but I'll still go it
i want to kill all of you (in this game, for about five minutes at a time each) except for hk and rask and the person who most wants me to die
dobby?
what makes you wanna kill Dobby?
like cape is just opportunistically dunking on me randomly but i don't hold them to a higher standard lol
if i am wrong i will take it into consideration
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:55
vote:katze
if there's a hard wolf ie not cape they've been shielding me lmao but have no issue killing me when it becomes dunky
but that's not really easy
wish I'd had more time to look over katze and dobby today
sounds like me ngl
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:56
if i am wrong i will take it into consideration
you are
that said
if i did here I'll bear no hard feelings towards you specifically ftr
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:56
sounds like me ngl
lololol
I seem to be the only one that thinks its kind of a 50/50 here in likelihood between cuth and cape, everyone else is kinda certain and it doesn't make sense to me tbqh based on what I've read from them etc. I genuinely think capes activity today is the reason for most of it rather than actual content but that might just be my brain saying stuff
like cape is just opportunistically dunking on me randomly but i don't hold them to a higher standard lol
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
this comes from a w!cape world
but like
you vote katze
come on are you srsly not wolf???
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:57
dobby?
what makes you wanna kill Dobby?
because he's very smart and precious
I seem to be the only one that thinks its kind of a 50/50 here in likelihood between cuth and cape, everyone else is kinda certain and it doesn't make sense to me tbqh based on what I've read from them etc. I genuinely think capes activity today is the reason for most of it rather than actual content but that might just be my brain saying stuff
im not sure either dw
idk
i might just not vote ngfl
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:57
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
this comes from a w!cape world
but like
you vote katze
come on are you srsly not wolf???
yes i seriously am not
idk what your problem with this is but sorry for ruffling your feathers it's genuinely not intentional
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 00:58
was eating dinner, did not read pages 105/106
Players Votes
Cuthillius 3 (hollowkatt, Cape90, Sleep)
katze 2 (Raskolnikov, Cuthillius)
Cape90 1 (Dobby)
3196
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:58
if it's Cuth GG WP (I'll take some credit though, the one which was due to Benneh for instance)
if it's not katze > HK.
We will win.
Ur all precious, even kat (jk lov u)
peepee poopoo
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:59
seriously seriously evaluate dobby after i die
i don't have much confidence there but i think y'all trend towards underestimating him
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 00:59
this game has been very enjoyable. I wish I had more time on the week ends lol. Thanks Visor and u all guys. :bow:
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:59
welp
if it's Cuth GG WP (I'll take some credit though, the one which was due to Benneh for instance)
if it's not katze > HK.
We will win.
Is your katze vote seriously rn because if so I'll say please read my stuff from today or at least quickly skim
I think kat is the obvious choice in f3 but noooooot over the others
Look at how ender interacted with and around kat
if it's Cuth GG WP (I'll take some credit though, the one which was due to Benneh for instance)
if it's not katze > HK.
We will win.
Rask, you just shaded me for having NAI content
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 00:59
glgl
weh
sorry if ur town cuth
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 01:00
if it's Cuth GG WP (I'll take some credit though, the one which was due to Benneh for instance)
if it's not katze > HK.
We will win.
promise me if you are wolf you kill me tonight
seriously seriously evaluate dobby after i die
i don't have much confidence there but i think y'all trend towards underestimating him
Weh no
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 01:00
Rask, you just shaded me for having NAI content
u had villa content :)
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 01:00
if dobby/me/x f3 then yes I'll reeval
Cuthillius
05-02-2022, 01:00
vote:cape
yes i seriously am not
idk what your problem with this is but sorry for ruffling your feathers it's genuinely not intentional
it wasn't ruffling my feathers, but, I don't see how I can opportunistically push someone if I am town.
Therefore, it would make me wolf, that would, like, literally make the most sense
Raskolnikov
05-02-2022, 01:01
promise me if you are wolf you kill me tonight
done
hollowkatt
05-02-2022, 01:01
done
ily
DAY IS OVER.
10 minutes for corrections.
I believe this is the final tally, rechecking.
Players Votes
Cuthillius 3 (hollowkatt, Cape90, Sleep)
katze 1 (Raskolnikov)
Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
Cuthillius has died. They were Vanilla Town.
Orders by 7pm 2nd May American Eastern, Day starts roughly at 8pm.
Alive: (6/17)
6. Raskolnikov
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
Dead: (11/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.
9. EnderWiggin, Mafia Goon, detonated D3.
10. Sunbae, Town Sorcerer, exploded D3.
11. Montmorency, Vanilla Town, died D3.
2. nebjiamn, Vanilla Town, killed N3.
3. Cuthillius, Vanilla Town, died D4.
Raskolnikov has died. They were Vanilla Town.
Day ends 8pm American Eastern on the 4th of May.
Alive: (5/17)
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
Dead: (12/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.
9. EnderWiggin, Mafia Goon, detonated D3.
10. Sunbae, Town Sorcerer, exploded D3.
11. Montmorency, Vanilla Town, died D3.
2. nebjiamn, Vanilla Town, killed N3.
3. Cuthillius, Vanilla Town, died D4.
6. Raskolnikov, Vanilla Town, killed N4.
fuckity fuck i reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally wanted to die
gg rask
im like not sure if ill change my mind much and i put in 300% effort the other day so atp i just want to get nked and/or give it my all in f3. I literally reread everything 50 times and i felt confident in my vote. The ender interactions, the way ender talked about cape vs how he talked about and to katze/cuth. I dont know if i can formulate this in other ways but yeah
Ender talked to katze as someone who talks to a townie. Ender focused on things you dont care about as wolf with cuth as well, although cuth was compatible with the wolf team because of reasons
i genuinely dont know what more i can do. i dont want to reevaluate sleep and hk today. It's just cape, and if its not that's an issue for f3. I think i kinda expected rask to be the kill but with my activity yesterday i really was hoping for death cuz im happy with my game up until this point :(
im like not sure if ill change my mind much and i put in 300% effort the other day so atp i just want to get nked and/or give it my all in f3. I literally reread everything 50 times and i felt confident in my vote. The ender interactions, the way ender talked about cape vs how he talked about and to katze/cuth. I dont know if i can formulate this in other ways but yeah
Ender talked to katze as someone who talks to a townie. Ender focused on things you dont care about as wolf with cuth as well, although cuth was compatible with the wolf team because of reasons
i genuinely dont know what more i can do. i dont want to reevaluate sleep and hk today. It's just cape, and if its not that's an issue for f3. I think i kinda expected rask to be the kill but with my activity yesterday i really was hoping for death cuz im happy with my game up until this point :(
oh and i dont think ender expected to get blown up either, so it wsant like, active anti-spew. and most of it is d1 interactions.
Vote: Cape90
maybe i re-wim tomorrow or something but rn i just want this day to end yesterday
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa man im sad
that flip hurt. sorry cuth. you deserved better.
i look at the playerlist and i still think cape is the most likely wolf but fuck me if i got talked out of clearing cuth just because i got annoyed at being scumread for defending someone i thought was town and the game goes to F3 as a result i will spend that entire F3 in agony
idk man. i just wanted to kill cape yesterday. now im not sure of anything. i really only have one confident townread right now and then two of you are "less likely to be mafia than cape" but...
you're all wolves smfh
i kinda wanna see how everyone else opens today before i talk more about who my confident townread is/who i think the mafia might be if not cape
until then uh
nyas quietly
that flip hurt. sorry cuth. you deserved better.
i look at the playerlist and i still think cape is the most likely wolf but fuck me if i got talked out of clearing cuth just because i got annoyed at being scumread for defending someone i thought was town and the game goes to F3 as a result i will spend that entire F3 in agony
idk man. i just wanted to kill cape yesterday. now im not sure of anything. i really only have one confident townread right now and then two of you are "less likely to be mafia than cape" but...
you're all wolves smfh
if cape dies and game doesnt end (im like 99% sure it will end) then whoever is left can go into f3 clean slate and then everyone can be a suspect again and not have cape be a potential misyeet. having cape in f3 would.... be very scary for many reasons.
im just spamming the f5 button again for no reason at all, mafia is a bad, bad drug and i hate hate hate it
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 01:21
Well fuck
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 01:22
I'm not gonna turbo Cape today.
It's not dobby, that's all I really know.
i dont wanna be here
but for real i went though a gamut of emotions and realized it is very dumb for me to get so worked up over a game on the internet. and that i need to stop investing so much emotion and placing my self-worth on the line over stuff. last phase i wanted to try to be the hero, because i felt bad about sleepwalking into the monty vote even though i wasnt scumreading him, because i felt obligated to trust the clears. i think that was an over-correction.
im not going to invest a ton of mental energy in this to feel down if i get it wrong. im just gonna sheep people
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 01:28
that flip hurt. sorry cuth. you deserved better.
i look at the playerlist and i still think cape is the most likely wolf but fuck me if i got talked out of clearing cuth just because i got annoyed at being scumread for defending someone i thought was town and the game goes to F3 as a result i will spend that entire F3 in agony
idk man. i just wanted to kill cape yesterday. now im not sure of anything. i really only have one confident townread right now and then two of you are "less likely to be mafia than cape" but...
you're all wolves smfh
^^^
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 01:33
I'm probs not going to be posting much for a while unless there's an interesting conversation to get involved in. I want to spend some time reading early days because I do think that's where we have the most actionable information. I don't think Dolby posted like his slot was outed. There's only a small handful of posts he made but I'm gonna read them again.
Ender on D2 maybe has posts worth reading?
I'm probs not going to be posting much for a while unless there's an interesting conversation to get involved in. I want to spend some time reading early days because I do think that's where we have the most actionable information. I don't think Dolby posted like his slot was outed. There's only a small handful of posts he made but I'm gonna read them again.
Ender on D2 maybe has posts worth reading?
idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to
1) first only read ender's d1 posts
2) read how he talks to, and about katze
3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)
4) read how he talks to, and about cape
that's the key to this
he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 01:48
idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to
1) first only read ender's d1 posts
2) read how he talks to, and about katze
3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)
4) read how he talks to, and about cape
that's the key to this
he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.
I haven't done it yet, I'm in the process of putting my kiddo to bed. I'm doing the reading after that.
worst case scenario:
we lunch v!cuth who should basically be lock clear, open up the game for a boxed in wolf that should have 0 chance because they don't have enough miskills unless we kill cuth today, and we lose the game tragically in f3
that's not ... so bad?ha
aha ha ha
Monte >> Katze >>>> HK = ender > cape > dobby >>> rask
if I die here my legacy is to kill ender then everyone on my wagon
Cheers, if this is it I had fun despite some really wack reasoning w/r/t me
i think wolves are probably in {monty, ender, katze, dobby} in no particular order
if there's 1 (or 2 lol) outside of that, glgl not my problem :laugh4:
Katze: A bit of a difficult one for me. There was a really great post towards Ladd kinda trying to pull a punch when asking if Ladd had a thought on sleep wolf before newcomb posted it. The rest of her posts show some good attempts at solving. I have some lingering issues though:
1. I struggle to follow the progression as EOD happens from saying she's the biggest anti-newcomb voice to this lackadaisical vote on newcomb with 'fingers crossed but i do not like any other wagon at all really ' while there's like 6 wagons within a vote of each other.
2. I am skeeved out by the HK defense using the term read decay because it's the exact same way Ladd defended HK. I have both seen and been in wolf chats where a wolf makes some goofy sounding tagline for a defense and other wolves meme on it a bit in the thread. Benneh knows it as the Super Smash Bros spicy read. It's, silly but it crossed my mind.
3. I kind of think HK is a wolf in a lot of worlds and Katze I think has been defending HK a lot in this game. HK being the only one to get a larger blurb in the wagons bad post with why is this even a wagon.
4. Outside of the one prod at Ladd, I don't think Katze really interacted with the dead wolves much. In fact, Katze tried to give Dolby some town credit today for the pronoun read, then pretty much swapped over to dolby once it became clear that wasn't going to fly today.
None of these are that strong but I have strong reasons to call others villagery and I don't really have many for Katze.
With that said, if Newcomb is a wolf then Katze killed it this game.
Have as a possible wolf. Likely paired with either HK, Rask, or Neb if a wolf. i think?
HollowKatt: I think their interactions with Monstr are interesting. Immediately called out Monstr for feeling spicy for the sake of spicy, follows up on it by reiterating it to Cuth, monstr returns by saying it's not a real thought and voting hk. That is the entirety of HK's iso that I feel I can call towny and, frankly, I'm pretty ok saying it's reasonable to expect monstr to be a bus target at that point. I don't think anything else in there feels like someone trying to solve the game and I think the case on Dobby is like, really twisty in a nefarious way. I have this slot as a possible wolf. Not a lock. Could easily still be villa. But thus far isoing everyone up to this point, this one is the least villagery to me by far
Dobby: Liked his initial call out of Ladd for having too many reads too early. Thought their hesitancy on trying to figure out my alignment was natural and nuanced using a lot of our history in a way that made me think they were actually trying to figure it out. I thought Dobby just disagreeing with Newcomb and saying Sleep/Cape could be w/w was entirely against threadflow/consensus in a villagery way and then immediately arguing with Katze in 682 also came off towny to me in a way where I thought Dobby was reading posts, thinking about why they are being posted, and trying to reach conclusions from it rather than having a nefarious intent to spin posts for personal gain. The Hollowkat push was also against general thread consensus at the time. I have small concerns ? two dead wolves called villagers in the big reads list, the double posts about ?oh dolby was a wolf? like 5 hours apart making me think they might be fake, the fact that pretty much nobody else is villa reading Dobby ? but the concerns are very small and I think the overall body of work is still just villager Dobby trying to solve the game.
Cape: I feel ok about some of their interactions with dead wolves. “Least confident wolf read by a long shot is Ladd” came out of nowhere, as did their “monstr is a member of the town” post. The response to Cuth saying him/monstr have a lot of w/w equity is to quote the post and go into villa reading Cuth pretty hard, which seems to lack much of an agenda to me. Their wolf reads seem to be their own thing (pushed Winston for a bit, Mont, Cuth and then switched as Cuth posted more, etc). They defended monstr a bit around the blowup but I think that's a reasonable take (in fact I kind of think seeing that as w/w who has already pressed suspicion on Monstr would almost certainly result in you writing him off instead of defending him?). Called out Dolbys wall for being rough. Basically, looking through the iso again with all the new information makes me think Cape has good interactions with flipped wolves and has some pretty good stretches of trying to solve things. Zack also has a strong townread there and I'm comfortable sponging it at this juncture.
It could be Sleep or Dobby too playing a similar role with votes on NC and Rask respectively, but I doubt it, and that's up for others to sort since this game looks more like my Mass Effect a year ago without the super-deep mafia.
Vote: Katze
She has too been posting like SOD3 threw her for a loop.
My final answer is katze; I shan't afford another. ggwp
Unfortunately I can't go beyond myself without breaking the game.
glad we wasted 48 hours following some dead ass villagers who don't know shit just to mislunch a guy on his native forum because we can't read his playstyle well
:paincat:
benneh thought it was cuth and was wrong and is useless
if it's Cuth GG WP (I'll take some credit though, the one which was due to Benneh for instance)
if it's not katze > HK.
We will win.
cuth was kind of all over the place he seemed to fos cape but also was wary of dobby?
you might ask "have you ever done something like this" and the answer is no, i have not
but i genuinely do not trust my own analytic process to be able to reach the correct solution at this point in the game. ive been in this spot too many times and it doesnt go well for me.
so
i'm trying this
idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to
1) first only read ender's d1 posts
2) read how he talks to, and about katze
3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)
4) read how he talks to, and about cape
that's the key to this
he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.
ill try
link the game
Are we really playing this seriously?
It's the most recent pirate game on MafiaCafe. Finished like last week or something.
this is, uh, interesting. i mean i dont see why it can be but. maybe not something most mafia bother with?
i still think almost every post newcomb posts is wolfy
I've had some thoughts that direction, talk to me about why?
this though feels not w/w? hes trying to signal boost katzes incorrect read and i dont think he does that with a partner. its certainly more textured than how he interacted with monstr or ladd
i still...am not sure he talks about a partner the way he talks about cape though
i might just wild out and
vote: hollowkatt
yall can chop cape if thats what you decide, i still kind of do not feel it is cape. most of the dead towns did not think it was cape. i dont think ladd/ender talked about cape the way they do about a teammate. i think cape has been like his town self. can maybe look at this a little but thats what i wanna say rn
My attempts at tossing as many things at Cuth to change my mind about them sure didn't work
this is not going to be an easy day
i might just wild out and
vote: hollowkatt
yall can chop cape if thats what you decide, i still kind of do not feel it is cape. most of the dead towns did not think it was cape. i dont think ladd/ender talked about cape the way they do about a teammate. i think cape has been like his town self. can maybe look at this a little but thats what i wanna say rn
why hk excactly? this is... god i dont like this from you at this stage of the game and it makes me want to dive into your iso
this is part sheeping the dead but im skipping the part where they wanted us to kill katze + i am actually rereading him now in full
why hk excactly? this is... god i dont like this from you at this stage of the game and it makes me want to dive into your iso
i ehm
i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced
i ehm
i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced
i uh, had these thoughts exactly d1 and was one of the people pushing him the hardest, as well as d2 iirc. It... mightve been d3 when me and him had a ton of back and forth when i changed my mind on him - can you look back at that and tell me what you think after reading that? becuase i had like, yeah, a fairly identical read on him tbh.
And, when you say "part sheeping the dead", do you mean on hk? Because im fairly certain nobody townread cape more than they townread hk. We also "sheeped the dead" on cuth and yeah.
and protecting cape here is literally inviting to a situation where hes... in f3 and it kinda just skews the situation in a really weird direction. Killing him today makes f3 a lot easier.
idk this whole thing from you doesn't really feel good slash makes sense
why hk excactly? this is... god i dont like this from you at this stage of the game and it makes me want to dive into your iso
feel free to look into me. i am prepared to defend myself altho its kinda reliant on self-meta
My attempts at tossing as many things at Cuth to change my mind about them sure didn't work
this is not going to be an easy day
is this all you have to say :wowee:
i uh, had these thoughts exactly d1 and was one of the people pushing him the hardest, as well as d2 iirc. It... mightve been d3 when me and him had a ton of back and forth when i changed my mind on him - can you look back at that and tell me what you think after reading that? becuase i had like, yeah, a fairly identical read on him tbh.
And, when you say "part sheeping the dead", do you mean on hk? Because im fairly certain nobody townread cape more than they townread hk. We also "sheeped the dead" on cuth and yeah.
and protecting cape here is literally inviting to a situation where hes... in f3 and it kinda just skews the situation in a really weird direction. Killing him today makes f3 a lot easier.
idk this whole thing from you doesn't really feel good slash makes sense
rask, sunbae, and newcomb had hk in poe. its uneven but most of the dead towns were actually defending cape. idk how much stock you wanna put in that but its there
im not even really necessarily anticipating i have the pull to save cape today. im just kind of following a thought. it could be wrong. i often am. im just trying to be less...throwing myself into things completely and then getting bummed if its wrong? idk this is a thing specific to me personally but i certainly dont think i get emo here as mafia
sleep:
if we vote out cape today and he flips mafia, what would you be most proud of this game? what would you be most ashamed of?
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