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Thanks all for signing up. This is the game thread, the game will start on 8pm the 20th of April.
Rules:
48/24 phases, at 8pm american eastern. :00 posts/votes are good, :01 posts/votes bad.
You may not talk after death.
Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine.
No screenshots, etc.
You may NOT talk to players outside the thread unless otherwise specified in your role PM.
You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. You do not need to unvote to vote someone else. I will count your last legal vote as your vote. You must use that specific vote format with the colon or the vote WILL NOT count. (this is so i can find the votes easier)
If you are replaced or WOG killed, please do not post in the thread.
Please do not thank posts.
Do not talk at night.
Votes that end in a tie will be decided by random lynch.
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Don't edit posts please.
If you miss a day phase I will message you and see whats up. Missing two days is an instant modkill, if you need a sub please tell me before that happens.
Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it.
Night orders are due 1 hour prior to start of day. (Please PM me night orders.)
Setup and Roles: (Setup created by Geyde of FOL)
Town:
Compulsive 2 shot Sorceror ((Targets a player and makes them a compulsive suicide bomber for the next day phase. Must send a target every night until shots used up.)
Backup (If Sorceror dies, takes over the role).
11x Vanilla Town
Mafia:
Mafia Stalker (Tracks and watches a player)
Mafia N3 Sorceror (Targets a player and makes them a compulsive suicide bomber for the next day phase).
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Suicide bombers MUST PM me their target to kill within 36 hours (12 hours before EOD) of daybreak the next day. (If you get targeted, n1, you find out at start of day 2, you have 36 hours from start of day to pick your target). Once you submit your target you are dead and most stop posting. If you do not submit a target it will be randed.
Players:
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
4. Ladd
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13. monstrbro
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
Subs:
Dolby
hally
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I will announce when the game has started, please do not post until then, thanks.
I will be randing the game and sending out role PMs shortly.
Don't discuss role pms in thread obv, they're all just you randed x congrats anyway.
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Current Game Status:
Alive: (4/17)
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
17. hollowkatt
Dead: (13/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.
9. EnderWiggin, Mafia Goon, detonated D3.
10. Sunbae, Town Sorcerer, exploded D3.
11. Montmorency, Vanilla Town, died D3.
2. nebjiamn, Vanilla Town, killed N3.
3. Cuthillius, Vanilla Town, died D4.
6. Raskolnikov, Vanilla Town, killed N4.
16. Cape90, Vanilla Town, died D5.
Updates:
End of Day 1, Night 1 Results. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829440&viewfull=1#post2053829440)
Csargo explodes Dolby. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829744&viewfull=1#post2053829744)
End of Day 2, Night 2 Results. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830532&viewfull=1#post2053830532)
Bladescape explodes Sunbae. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830711&viewfull=1#post2053830711)
End of Day 3, Night 3 Results. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831240&viewfull=1#post2053831240)
End of Day 4, Night 4 Results. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831787&viewfull=1#post2053831787)
End of Day 5, Night 5 Results. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053832264&viewfull=1#post2053832264)
Role Pms have been sent, game has been randed. Reminder: The game doesn't start till the 20th.
DO NOT POST UNTIL I SAY SO.
A small note to consider about this game:
The reason I hosted this (and invited you guys here) is because I think its fun to play a game in a lower stress, less intense environment with friends and people who can get along. MU is something else when it comes to intensity. I'm not saying don't try or just mess around, but that werewolf can be a game you take easier and still get a great deal of enjoyment out of. At the end of the day this is just a game with friends and I'd like for people to be able to come here and have a good time and not worrying about having to post 150 times a day phase.
ymmv, gl everyone, see you on the 20th.
Players:
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. Cuthillius
4. ladd
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. Dobby
13. Monstrdude
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt
The game has started. YOU MAY POST.
I will try to do tallies approximately 3 times before eod, feel free to keep your own tallies of course (makes my job easier). There will likely be a corrections phase just after eod to make sure the vote is correct.
That should be it. Have at it. Good luck everyone.
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 01:03
first
bbl
vote: katze
I also have a N0 red on raskol
Montmorency
04-21-2022, 01:17
Gotta say the Mafia stalker can't expect to get much action in this setup. Like, the only thing it can track is the town sorceror, and there's no stopping the town sorceror's last action on N2 without pushing them D2, and there's little point to that. Watching the target of a sorceror is even more useless, since there's never going to be a strategy in pushing a compulsive suicide bomber.
I'm ready for my vesting.
https://i.imgur.com/EeYtIBY.jpg
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 01:20
i'm worrying about having to post 150 times this phase
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 01:22
I just want it said that I'm proud of the 5 of us who took the "No thanking posts" rule and decided to Thank Visor's post anyway.
hi everyone!! super excited for this game :nice:
let's have a good time
vote: katze
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 01:29
this game is literally a who's who of mafia, plus me. So that's cool
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 01:31
Howdy fellow township persons of the village alignment
And I suppose fellow township anthropomorphized evils of the other alignment
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 01:34
Howdy fellow township persons of the village alignment
And I suppose fellow township anthropomorphized evils of the other alignment
Oooh, can I be an anthropomorphized evil?
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 01:35
Oooh, can I be an anthropomorphized evil?
You can be anything if you put your mind to it
And lots of money to plastic surgery
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 01:36
You can be anything if you put your mind to it
And lots of money to plastic surgery
Ah, missing the "lots of money" part. Makes sense.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 01:37
vote: katze
This seems like a rad time
Listened to the Tears For Fears album Songs From The Big Chair for the first time.
Twas pretty good though it kinda is mostly the case where the singles made up the best of the best songs, and I Believe was kinda an unmemorable ballad that didn't have anything that really took it above and beyond a simple ballad type track. but still pretty solid new wave.
Heres readslist!
Winston Hughes looks exactly like what I would expect a person who goes by Winston Hughes would look like so I feel like not faking your identity is a really good look personally!
Zack has some default image of... whoever that is. Possible royalty since he is wearing purple so I have to respek.
ladd kinda has that face when I see fake content like some fake readslist based on profile pictures or something, like who would do such a thing? So I think points for that.
katze has this cute cat kinda staring into my soul. IDK cats cute :D thats why town yes! I think :curtain:
Sleep also has cute lil munchkin boo boo baby wabey smoochie woochie kitty witty!
Newcomb kinda got this sort of front facing military man and you know what, they look confident, I like confidence!
EnderWiggin kinda got this sort of front facing military man and you know what, they look confident, I like confidence!
Dobby kinda got this sort of front facing military man and you know what, they look confident, I like confidence!
Sunbae... IDK never played undertale.
Monstrdude has this picture of Bojack Horseman, but I feel like their alignment depends on what Bojack is saying. I tried zomming in on the image but I cannot make the text out so it's a little cryptic.
Cuthillius has this side profile of what looks like somebody in the military? Why are they trying to hide half their face?
Montmorency, I am sorry but you don't even look like a real person. Fun fact another word for a fake person is imposter lol gottem.
Raskolnikov, I can't really tell what you are. Your like sleep cap or whatever your wearing on the top of your head is kinda strange. Also the fact that you are almost profile but turn toward us, the viewer, but are not in the center of your own portrait picture. Man it looks like you are on the move, kinda like mafia ngl.
Csargo looks a little mean and mad at me :( I dont like it :(.
Hollowkatt has this wolf Mary Poppins thing and that's pretty sussy amogus.
nebjiamn has the whole wolfnod thing, I think he's wolf guys!
alright so should I post 200 times?
Howdy fellow township persons of the village alignment
And I suppose fellow township anthropomorphized evils of the other alignment
i wonder how I anthropomorphize myself personally
5: a villager would have used a simple ":hide:" instead of this post
6: wolfy mechanics talk
7: keep the complaining to wolfchat bub
8: :bow:
9: :stare:
10: newcomb didn't bother to change the default avatar because he's depressed that he randed wolf
- zack is w/w with enderwiggin for making this read on newcomb but not him
11: obvious voxx alt, fake post
12: correctly used "who's" instead of "whose" -> probably a villager
13: i'm in the game, therefore benneh town
14: this question isn't solving the game
15: encouraging optimism in a world of soul-crushing despair, kinda suspicious
16: poor people are wolfy
17: bussing, hard clears hollowkatt
18: wallposts are inherently wolfy
19: villager :book2:
20: no
21: :wizard:
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 02:07
5: a villager would have used a simple ":hide:" instead of this post
6: wolfy mechanics talk
7: keep the complaining to wolfchat bub
8: :bow:
9: :stare:
10: newcomb didn't bother to change the default avatar because he's depressed that he randed wolf
- zack is w/w with enderwiggin for making this read on newcomb but not him
11: obvious voxx alt, fake post
12: correctly used "who's" instead of "whose" -> probably a villager
13: i'm in the game, therefore benneh town
14: this question isn't solving the game
15: encouraging optimism in a world of soul-crushing despair, kinda suspicious
16: poor people are wolfy
17: bussing, hard clears hollowkatt
18: wallposts are inherently wolfy
19: villager :book2:
20: no
21: :wizard:
Too scared to give takes on posts 1 through 4, therefore wolfy
:curtain:
Vote: Sleep
we don’t have enough info to execute someone d1 or something
Howdy fellow township persons of the village alignment
And I suppose fellow township anthropomorphized evils of the other alignment
https://i.imgur.com/0W4fCn4.png
meowdy, partner
Howdy fellow township persons of the village alignment
And I suppose fellow township anthropomorphized evils of the other alignment
ur using too hard words
i joined because of playerlist and visor
:curtain:
Vote: Sleep
we don’t have enough info to execute someone d1 or something
uhh so why vote me???
Montmorency
04-21-2022, 02:52
Now that Zack's found us, it's getting to be over. He just has to oust one of us and coast on lock.
ur using too hard words
i joined because of playerlist and visor
"playerlist" is code for "katze" right
uhh so why vote me???
because we don't have enough information
i believe that voting to execute somebody on day 1 may accidentally kill an innocent villager, voting sleep means we will all have a nice nap and time to get information!
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 03:04
"playerlist" is code for "katze" right
because we don't have enough information
i believe that voting to execute somebody on day 1 may accidentally kill an innocent villager, voting sleep means we will all have a nice nap and time to get information!
This has swayed and convinced me.
Vote: Sleep
i have a townping on montmorency!
Q: Is there majority?
A: No, just whoever has the most votes at the deadline. Ties are randomised ofc.
i have a townping on montmorency!:huh:
:coffeenews:
Vote: EnderWiggin
:curtain:
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 03:41
Vote: Dobby
16: poor people are wolfy
21: :wizard:
Not very croggers of you
Jeeeesus these forum features are gonna kill me.
Any easy way to highlight quote?
Is anyone here someone I'd know but their username is different?
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 04:00
The page settings going in multiple of 20s and not hitting either 50 or 100 is a real bummer
Also all these themes are no good :(
i prefer 5 posts per page, makes it so you dont get overwhelmed with things to read :stars:
Is anyone here someone I'd know but their username is different?
im GH
i love mountainous arson, and arson in general
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 04:41
ur using too hard words
i joined because of playerlist and visor
i'm bored so i'm gonna start the game
i voted dobby because the 2nd half of this post felt extamperaneous to the overall fit of the rest of the post and served nothing really in service to replying to me other than filler
i originally thought the first half was also wolfy for tonal reasons but i'm thinking its probably just language stuff and not alignment indicative but i'm open to others thoughts
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 04:42
gosh i hate myself
I started reading posts, had no idea what Mont was referencing, scrolled up and read the set up, and immediately cracked up laughing. Compulsive bomber maker is absolutely hilarious and I beg you to choose me. Just blasting someone in the face on day 2 and then going to dvc laughing with them for it is peak werewolf and I must have it
In other news, Champs is starting soon and I'm filled with nerves and regret because friends, I am bad and everyone takes champs so seriously now. I just know I'm going to like, have my bouncy brain say something silly and have people scoff at me. Maybe I can convince some of yall that know me well to do a funny laid back bio for me to ease my nerves.
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 05:59
In other news, Champs is starting soon and I'm filled with nerves and regret because friends, I am bad and everyone takes champs so seriously now. I just know I'm going to like, have my bouncy brain say something silly and have people scoff at me. Maybe I can convince some of yall that know me well to do a funny laid back bio for me to ease my nerves.
i nominate zack to write the bio
:creep: :tnt: :stars: ~:grouphug:
Thats me creeping my way to dvc after I blow up someone on day 2
i nominate zack to write the bio
It would be an honor if so
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 06:08
In other news, Champs is starting soon and I'm filled with nerves and regret because friends, I am bad and everyone takes champs so seriously now. I just know I'm going to like, have my bouncy brain say something silly and have people scoff at me. Maybe I can convince some of yall that know me well to do a funny laid back bio for me to ease my nerves.
Hope you end up in my game then because you're pretty cool from memory.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 06:08
I started reading posts, had no idea what Mont was referencing, scrolled up and read the set up, and immediately cracked up laughing. Compulsive bomber maker is absolutely hilarious and I beg you to choose me. Just blasting someone in the face on day 2 and then going to dvc laughing with them for it is peak werewolf and I must have it
I would fight you for it but I did this just recently and it was great.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 06:09
i'm bored so i'm gonna start the game
i voted dobby because the 2nd half of this post felt extamperaneous to the overall fit of the rest of the post and served nothing really in service to replying to me other than filler
i originally thought the first half was also wolfy for tonal reasons but i'm thinking its probably just language stuff and not alignment indicative but i'm open to others thoughts
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 06:36
if i had expected anything
i think it would have been pretty close to this
zack/ender lock w/w
sunbae going HARD on the villager rp as also a wolf love to see it
I kind of like bennah's attempt to start the game and also that no one interacted with it
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 06:53
I kind of like bennah's attempt to start the game and also that no one interacted with it
Seemed like the kind of read I get returned to the kitchen for the chef to review because it's so watery weak that it's basically not there.
But I appreciated the sentiment.
But also I'm still memeing and the game hasn't been open for 12 hours so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 06:54
if i had expected anything
i think it would have been pretty close to this
zack/ender lock w/w
sunbae going HARD on the villager rp as also a wolf love to see it
Cuth. Cuth.
You're supposed to let us have our fun and out us on D2 so village can almost sweep.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 06:56
Is anyone here someone I'd know but their username is different?
I also go by bladescape if that name means anything to you.
Seemed like the kind of read I get returned to the kitchen for the chef to review because it's so watery weak that it's basically not there.
But I appreciated the sentiment.
But also I'm still memeing and the game hasn't been open for 12 hours so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play.
Sure, but the post that starts the game inevitably will be based on approximately nothing. Someone has to have an opinion, so that other people can have opinions on that opinion and other people can have feelings about the strength of those opinions and oh look we're playing mafia.
I'm down to meme as much as the next guy but 48 hour phases are pretty quick especially when a game's this frontloaded.
Like don't get me wrong I'm down for a casual non wallposty game but... there's a thin line between that and tepid, I guess is my feeling.
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 07:09
Sure, but the post that starts the game inevitably will be based on approximately nothing. Someone has to have an opinion, so that other people can have opinions on that opinion and other people can have feelings about the strength of those opinions and oh look we're playing mafia.
I'm down to meme as much as the next guy but 48 hour phases are pretty quick especially when a game's this frontloaded.
Like don't get me wrong I'm down for a casual non wallposty game but... there's a thin line between that and tepid, I guess is my feeling.
so you got an opinion or what
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 07:21
i like kinda agree with ender wrt that being a tepid take but for different reasons i think
and i can't feel good about v-reading newc for making it but it's something
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 07:22
vote: katze
teehee
i'll help benneh and then go afk for the next 24ish hours
v
mont
benneh
ladd
sleep
i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime
for context:
Seemed like the kind of read I get returned to the kitchen for the chef to review because it's so watery weak that it's basically not there.
But I appreciated the sentiment.
But also I'm still memeing and the game hasn't been open for 12 hours so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play.
Cuth. Cuth.
You're supposed to let us have our fun and out us on D2 so village can almost sweep.
i'll yolo a sunbae w read (you'll do amazing in champs tho! genuinely)
I just want it said that I'm proud of the 5 of us who took the "No thanking posts" rule and decided to Thank Visor's post anyway.
:bow:
this game is literally a who's who of mafia, plus me. So that's cool
:stop:
Vote:hollowkatt
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 07:55
:stop:
Vote:hollowkatt
you're who too!
you're who too!
:embarassed::smitten:
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 08:00
Sure, but the post that starts the game inevitably will be based on approximately nothing. Someone has to have an opinion, so that other people can have opinions on that opinion and other people can have feelings about the strength of those opinions and oh look we're playing mafia.
I'm down to meme as much as the next guy but 48 hour phases are pretty quick especially when a game's this frontloaded.
Like don't get me wrong I'm down for a casual non wallposty game but... there's a thin line between that and tepid, I guess is my feeling.
Yeah but Benneh put it forward as if it was a deep read.
Wolves struggle more in casual freeposting early when it starts to sort of tread water when the lines between shitposting and actual reads blur because it's more difficult to fake feeling legit takes with TMI.
So often they tend to make a hard switch from shitposting to "reads" because clearly defined situations are easier to fake.
Also, 12 hours of 48 is small.
I was gonna say let me have this casual game to just fuck around with but I guess that ain't happening.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 08:01
i like kinda agree with ender wrt that being a tepid take but for different reasons i think
and i can't feel good about v-reading newc for making it but it's something
Do you mean my take being tepid or Benneh's?
this game is awkward because i have the impression that it's optimal for me to not really express concerns on certain players or even fake townreads on them but basically the entire list encompasses those players
and like, i'm not going to post the "look, here's what's going to happen" pasta and vote someone i perceive to be outside of that list of players
however:
Look, here's what's going to happen:
We're going to lunch someone, probably someone in the perceived lower half of skill level of the players in the game that had the most uninspired d1 by t0an and/or volume; hopefully we're right
The wolves are going to SPK someone, probably ladd if he's a villager and/or has something that could be minimally construed as a correct fakepeek, and then some other shit may or may not happen and we'll have NK/mechanical stuff to talk about
It's hard to gin up enthusiasm when the real game isn't actually going to start for the better part of 48 hours, and having half the playerlist act like they're all clever for voting me because there's a 25% chance they could be right and have gotten in on the ground floor is just stupid, and it's insulting that you think it would be at all productive regardless of my role
vote: Newcomb
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 08:09
i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime
Amateur tip:
Interactions with people are a solid way to build reads.
:hide:
my vote was serious
newcomb light v
49 made me smile
:hide:
Amateur tip:
Interactions with people are a solid way to build reads.
that's a good one, maybe ladd can use that tip to write an article about tips for villaging
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 08:12
that's a good one, maybe ladd can use that tip to write an article about tips for villaging
Maybe. Would be good experience for someone so new to the game.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 08:13
:hide:
my vote was serious
newcomb light v
49 made me smile
:hide:
Gimme a sec, gotta quote backwards to make Ladd sus me more.
So, talk to me Zack. Been a long time since you and I tangoed. Last time we ordered pizza.
i generally don't like arguing back and forth with someone on why i suspect them, it's pretty much a waste of time in my experience :book2:
i just thought bladescape was laying it on pretty thick in his posts, like he's trying way too hard to make posts with sizzle (in a way that I find wolfy, because it looks like the goal of these posts is primarily to acquire townreads) and the end result came out looking inauthentic ~:handball:
Sleep never answered me on what "townping" they saw from Monty. :whip:
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 08:43
Do you mean my take being tepid or Benneh's?
newc's light v-read on benneh
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 08:46
i generally don't like arguing back and forth with someone on why i suspect them, it's pretty much a waste of time in my experience :book2:
i just thought bladescape was laying it on pretty thick in his posts, like he's trying way too hard to make posts with sizzle (in a way that I find wolfy, because it looks like the goal of these posts is primarily to acquire townreads) and the end result came out looking inauthentic ~:handball:
i had the same instinct off the bat, but i sorta like some things from their more recent posts and i think they're gonna stick out a bit in this lineup just in terms of style and overlapping circles of familiarity anyway
and i kinda want to see what happens if we let them do their thing for now
newc's light v-read on benneh
I actually liked those posts from Newcomb. Felt a lot more natural "just a simple bronana giving his thoughts" than in say, Rocks Fall, where his posts were more like "This is a townread. This is a brief justification. This concludes my post."
Gotta say the Mafia stalker can't expect to get much action in this setup. Like, the only thing it can track is the town sorceror, and there's no stopping the town sorceror's last action on N2 without pushing them D2, and there's little point to that. Watching the target of a sorceror is even more useless, since there's never going to be a strategy in pushing a compulsive suicide bomber.
I'm ready for my vesting.
Surprised to see nobody say words on this as I feel like a lot of players tend to scumread this sort of early mechanics talk as being easy content or whatever. As for myself, I just don't think the read really works a good amount of time, but I just wanted to just point this out.
Zack's post on page 1 #22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828269&viewfull=1#post2053828269), it just looks like a lot of busy work that really doesn't do anything with it. I feel like this is some post by post analysis that newer town tend to do and given zack has probs played mafia longer then me :boxedin:.
#27 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828274&viewfull=1#post2053828274) is a little odd to me in response to an early vote. Katze's response to the age old question of "why me" seems pretty justified in #29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828276&viewfull=1#post2053828276).
Zack's post on page 1 #22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828269&viewfull=1#post2053828269), it just looks like a lot of busy work that really doesn't do anything with it. I feel like this is some post by post analysis that newer town tend to do and given zack has probs played mafia longer then me :boxedin:.
Sir, you made a big-ass wallpost explaining a reads list based on avatars, and you dare poopoo on me for a joke post that I wrote in five minutes as "busy work"?
:stare:
it's so obviously in jest
wtf lol
and i kinda want to see what happens if we let them do their thing for now
no thanks
im gonna suicide bomb him in five minutes
glgl
#39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828286&viewfull=1#post2053828286) there is no V A P O R W A V E on this site 0/10 :thumbsdown: :hide:
i'm bored so i'm gonna start the game
i voted dobby because the 2nd half of this post felt extamperaneous to the overall fit of the rest of the post and served nothing really in service to replying to me other than filler
i originally thought the first half was also wolfy for tonal reasons but i'm thinking its probably just language stuff and not alignment indicative but i'm open to others thoughts
I appreciate the try here, but I just don't see it. :shrug:
Seemed like the kind of read I get returned to the kitchen for the chef to review because it's so watery weak that it's basically not there.
But I appreciated the sentiment.
But also I'm still memeing and the game hasn't been open for 12 hours so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play.
I have no idea what to think about EnderWiggin's whole take on the nebjiamn content thing.
In a sort of random way, I like Newcomb's response (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828306&viewfull=1#post2053828306) to the EnderWiggin post I just quoted.
Sir, you made a big-ass wallpost explaining a reads list based on avatars, and you dare poopoo on me for a joke post that I wrote in five minutes as "busy work"?
:stare:
okay true.
Carry on
I started reading posts, had no idea what Mont was referencing, scrolled up and read the set up, and immediately cracked up laughing. Compulsive bomber maker is absolutely hilarious and I beg you to choose me. Just blasting someone in the face on day 2 and then going to dvc laughing with them for it is peak werewolf and I must have it
feels a bit over the top and pretty out of character for Sunbae
"ah yes fellow vanilla town, i too am vanilla town"
:no:
more like you're a mafia stalker! :smash:
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Csargo posting no words and only emojis, what are you afraid of? :rtwno:
i like kinda agree with ender wrt that being a tepid take but for different reasons i think
and i can't feel good about v-reading newc for making it but it's something
Newcomb? You mean nebjiamn?
i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime
You know, I don't actually like this read all that much on EnderWiggin as I feel like what Ender has been doing has been sort of villagery for actually the same reasons why ladd suspects Ender.
Yeah but Benneh put it forward as if it was a deep read.
I am gonna take a shot in the dark and say that Benneh's read on a person who has only posted once isn't a deep read.
I just am so confused on katze's whole "wall" post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828319&viewfull=1#post2053828319) that it almost looks really wolfy to me. At least I get the wolfy feelings in the first part of the post and especially the last part of the post.
i generally don't like arguing back and forth with someone on why i suspect them, it's pretty much a waste of time in my experience :book2:
i just thought bladescape was laying it on pretty thick in his posts, like he's trying way too hard to make posts with sizzle (in a way that I find wolfy, because it looks like the goal of these posts is primarily to acquire townreads) and the end result came out looking inauthentic ~:handball:
1. I dont see why
2. who is bladescape?
okay true.
Carry on
just wanted to say on the topic of that wallpost thing though. It felt like an almost genuine attempt at doing something with the early posts while my wall was literally not at all :shrug:
Cape90 is probably town
I can tell by the pixels
:rtwyes:
i prefer 5 posts per page, makes it so you dont get overwhelmed with things to read :stars:
this alt is having a fun time
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 09:35
i generally don't like arguing back and forth with someone on why i suspect them, it's pretty much a waste of time in my experience :book2:
i just thought bladescape was laying it on pretty thick in his posts, like he's trying way too hard to make posts with sizzle (in a way that I find wolfy, because it looks like the goal of these posts is primarily to acquire townreads) and the end result came out looking inauthentic ~:handball:
Sleep never answered me on what "townping" they saw from Monty. :whip:
Fair.
I think that more comes from time since you last seen me but I can't be bothered linking meta because that's boring play.
I'll either win you over or get voted out at some point.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 09:37
no thanks
im gonna suicide bomb him in five minutes
glgl
But if you have the vest.
And I have the vest.
Who's flying the plane?
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 09:39
1. I dont see why
2. who is bladescape?
Hi.
You played with me not long ago.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 09:40
I'm gonna take a vague guess on Cape town actually.
*Throws dart at board and misses*
Sir, you made a big-ass wallpost explaining a reads list based on avatars, and you dare poopoo on me for a joke post that I wrote in five minutes as "busy work"?
:stare:
:sweatdrop:
I mean it's not wrong but still, overreacting a bit
this game is awkward because i have the impression that it's optimal for me to not really express concerns on certain players or even fake townreads on them but basically the entire list encompasses those players
and like, i'm not going to post the "look, here's what's going to happen" pasta and vote someone i perceive to be outside of that list of players
however:
Look, here's what's going to happen:
We're going to lunch someone, probably someone in the perceived lower half of skill level of the players in the game that had the most uninspired d1 by t0an and/or volume; hopefully we're right
The wolves are going to SPK someone, probably ladd if he's a villager and/or has something that could be minimally construed as a correct fakepeek, and then some other shit may or may not happen and we'll have NK/mechanical stuff to talk about
It's hard to gin up enthusiasm when the real game isn't actually going to start for the better part of 48 hours, and having half the playerlist act like they're all clever for voting me because there's a 25% chance they could be right and have gotten in on the ground floor is just stupid, and it's insulting that you think it would be at all productive regardless of my role
vote: Newcomb
I don't know if this is a serious post or not tbh. That first sentence is concerning, but clearly missing context.
Monstrdude
04-21-2022, 11:30
Heaven-o everyone
Monstrdude
04-21-2022, 11:34
vote: sleep
Monstrdude
04-21-2022, 11:35
I started reading posts, had no idea what Mont was referencing, scrolled up and read the set up, and immediately cracked up laughing. Compulsive bomber maker is absolutely hilarious and I beg you to choose me. Just blasting someone in the face on day 2 and then going to dvc laughing with them for it is peak werewolf and I must have it
Not sure I buy this
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 12:21
I don't know if this is a serious post or not tbh. That first sentence is concerning, but clearly missing context.
It's a copypasta.
EnderWiggin
04-21-2022, 12:23
vote: sleep
Talk to me about this vote
i prefer 5 posts per page, makes it so you dont get overwhelmed with things to read :stars:
Wolfy post
i'm bored so i'm gonna start the game
i voted dobby because the 2nd half of this post felt extamperaneous to the overall fit of the rest of the post and served nothing really in service to replying to me other than filler
i originally thought the first half was also wolfy for tonal reasons but i'm thinking its probably just language stuff and not alignment indicative but i'm open to others thoughts
Lol maybe I'm just bad at rvs I guess
:creep: :tnt: :stars: ~:grouphug:
Thats me creeping my way to dvc after I blow up someone on day 2
I would love this tbh
I kind of like bennah's attempt to start the game and also that no one interacted with it
Im not gonna let him touch my right to write dumb posts and especially not as my first post of the game :stare:
Yeah but Benneh put it forward as if it was a deep read.
Wolves struggle more in casual freeposting early when it starts to sort of tread water when the lines between shitposting and actual reads blur because it's more difficult to fake feeling legit takes with TMI.
So often they tend to make a hard switch from shitposting to "reads" because clearly defined situations are easier to fake.
Also, 12 hours of 48 is small.
I was gonna say let me have this casual game to just fuck around with but I guess that ain't happening.
I really really really really don't want to tryhsrd this game, I really want to see if I can play mafia again wtihhout spending every waking hour on the game
Dobby
poop
Towny post
But
a superstructure at the stern of a vessel.
What the fu k
i generally don't like arguing back and forth with someone on why i suspect them, it's pretty much a waste of time in my experience :book2:
i just thought bladescape was laying it on pretty thick in his posts, like he's trying way too hard to make posts with sizzle (in a way that I find wolfy, because it looks like the goal of these posts is primarily to acquire townreads) and the end result came out looking inauthentic ~:handball:
Sleep never answered me on what "townping" they saw from Monty. :whip:
o i didn't realize the emote meant you wanted it explained >.>
i just thought scum doesnt open the game talking about how the stalker is nearly useless and if he was in a wolfchat hed post it there instead
Surprised to see nobody say words on this as I feel like a lot of players tend to scumread this sort of early mechanics talk as being easy content or whatever. As for myself, I just don't think the read really works a good amount of time, but I just wanted to just point this out.
Zack's post on page 1 #22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828269&viewfull=1#post2053828269), it just looks like a lot of busy work that really doesn't do anything with it. I feel like this is some post by post analysis that newer town tend to do and given zack has probs played mafia longer then me :boxedin:.
#27 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828274&viewfull=1#post2053828274) is a little odd to me in response to an early vote. Katze's response to the age old question of "why me" seems pretty justified in #29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828276&viewfull=1#post2053828276).
vote: cape90
theres
a lot of things wrong with this post
y r ppl townreading cape? i think hes the wolfiest poster so far, by a lot
r u serious?
No
Who's townreading cape?
No
Who's townreading cape?
ok sorry, just wasnt sure because we're in sort of the halfway of joking around and playing serious
both zack and ender on this page expressed thinking he was town, which was weird because i had the exact opposite impression where i read his posts and went :inquisitive:
ok sorry, just wasnt sure because we're in sort of the halfway of joking around and playing serious
both zack and ender on this page expressed thinking he was town, which was weird because i had the exact opposite impression where i read his posts and went :inquisitive:
I felt like neither of those posts were very serious though tbh
I do think the post you pointed out is fairly in character for Cape, but reading an alignment into that is prolly a bit optimistic
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 14:37
sunbae is town
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 14:43
this is guaranteed to bite me in the ass but katze has too many votes too quickly and therefore is town.
Ender otoh is not.
vote: ender
I felt like neither of those posts were very serious though tbh
I do think the post you pointed out is fairly in character for Cape, but reading an alignment into that is prolly a bit optimistic
the reads on him were hedged in a jokey sort of way (that i think is typical of early game and not really alignment indicative) but i assume the sentimen behind them is at least somewhat real or they wouldn't express it
well i can go into all the problems i have with the stuff he posted but i don't want to explain it just yet
Thanks ender, that would be swell. And right back at you.
Some people seem to think it's weird for me to want to blast someone in the face and go to dvc. Little do they know I've already lined up squidward-twerking-and-staring-dot-gif to post immediately upon arriving at dvc so the target gets even more annoyed at their death.
if i had expected anything
i think it would have been pretty close to this
zack/ender lock w/w
sunbae going HARD on the villager rp as also a wolf love to see it
What villager RP? I laughed at the set up, talked about being nervous about champs, and then made an emote post. That is as NAI posting as it gets.
I kind of want to <drop the shield> on Dobby for day 1 just due to the fact that I think they've been forced to be on the defensive a lot early in recent games and it's caused both struggles in getting rolling and lack of enjoyment from being in that position all the time. I also think Dobby is the type of player that can be a big boon if we let him get settled down some.
I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.
Also, kind of squinting at Cape's talking about Mont as a "surprised nobody is talking about this cause usually people wolfread it" into saying they don't think that type of read works out very much.
lol putting "drop the shield" in arrow brackets removed it from my post about dobby
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 15:56
I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.
at best it's an uncomfortable opening from a villager at worst it's straight up wolf.
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 15:58
i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.
there are two things that ping me re: ender
1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.
i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.
2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 15:58
what if... vote: no chop
Think Zack's post about Newcomb not feeling robotic makes sense to me and I'm cool rolling with both as light town reads for day 1
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 16:02
Think Zack's post about Newcomb not feeling robotic makes sense to me and I'm cool rolling with both as light town reads for day 1
i was about to post that zack was my first v lean. i think newcomb is fine so far but i don't feel as comfortable sliding him in as a villager yet. i'd prefer he do a little more. but now i've given the secret away. darn.
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 16:04
HK, can you expand on your ender read?
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 16:05
I can't tell how serious HK is being right now so lolme if they're still meming around
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 16:18
HK, can you expand on your ender read?
Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.
The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.
And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.
and yeah I'm being serious
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 16:24
Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.
The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.
And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.
and yeah I'm being serious
thanks
i didn't really like your post calling out katze as v for thin reasons and then shrugging the vote onto ender without explanation so i wanted to see where you were on him.
ender doesn't strike me as someone to be worried about wolfing in this playerlist but i've only played with them one other meaningful time that i can remember and they were a villager. still, just vibes, i don't know that i agree with the basis of the read although i do appreciate your process
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 16:59
thanks
i didn't really like your post calling out katze as v for thin reasons and then shrugging the vote onto ender without explanation so i wanted to see where you were on him.
ender doesn't strike me as someone to be worried about wolfing in this playerlist but i've only played with them one other meaningful time that i can remember and they were a villager. still, just vibes, i don't know that i agree with the basis of the read although i do appreciate your process
yeah no problem.
My OG vote on Katze was 100% a shitpost vote.
People started piling onto katze tho and that felt weird to me. Like if they're a wolf then it's great, but if they're town a runaway wagon on them to start the game seems like a good opportunity for a wolf or two to get on and try to hang there for a chop today.
That's the basis for the v read there, basically that too many people were like "hmm yes katze is a good vote at this stage of the game".
I subscribe to the theory that early game wagons have lasting impact on the rest of the game through a kind of communal thread memory and that an early game wagon like that on a villager is one way to put a potential strong village player into the POE to make them either post out of it or allow for "bad votes" later in the game by calling back to it.
fwiw my katze vote was entirely rvs
Winston Hughes
04-21-2022, 17:21
Hardclaim: Role Not-Appearing-In-This-Game
Monstrdude
04-21-2022, 17:28
Talk to me about this vote
Wolfiest of the first few posters :sparkleshrug:
Monstrdude
04-21-2022, 17:29
Also, kind of squinting at Cape's talking about Mont as a "surprised nobody is talking about this cause usually people wolfread it" into saying they don't think that type of read works out very much.
I'm intrigued by this but honestly villagers can be just as hypocritical as wolves so it's probably nai
Wolfiest of the first few posters :sparkleshrug:
go on...
feels a bit over the top and pretty out of character for Sunbae
"ah yes fellow vanilla town, i too am vanilla town"
:no:
more like you're a mafia stalker! :smash:
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Csargo posting no words and only emojis, what are you afraid of? :rtwno:
I'm embracing the low stress, less intense lifestyle Visor wanted.
It's a copypasta.
Okay, I kinda thought so, but wasn't sure.
I don't know if this is a serious post or not tbh. That first sentence is concerning, but clearly missing context.
Csargo: the post is serious despite a majority of it being a copypasta - i suspect newcomb atm and my general approach to players like newcomb (the first line) is to ignore that for at least day 1 becasue they're likely to be NKed by wolves if town+townread - but uh. when i look at the playerlist it's like 90% players who that'd apply to so i'm kind of uncomfortable with it
Csargo: the post is serious despite a majority of it being a copypasta - i suspect newcomb atm and my general approach to players like newcomb (the first line) is to ignore that for at least day 1 becasue they're likely to be NKed by wolves if town+townread - but uh. when i look at the playerlist it's like 90% players who that'd apply to so i'm kind of uncomfortable with it
Alright, I can understand that well enough. I don't know why you suspect newcomb, but I understand the sentiment at least.
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 18:40
@Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=12337): the post is serious despite a majority of it being a copypasta - i suspect newcomb atm and my general approach to players like newcomb (the first line) is to ignore that for at least day 1 becasue they're likely to be NKed by wolves if town+townread - but uh. when i look at the playerlist it's like 90% players who that'd apply to so i'm kind of uncomfortable with it
just play werewolf duder
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 18:40
what's got you bugged out about newcomb rn?
Fair.
I think that more comes from time since you last seen me but I can't be bothered linking meta because that's boring play.
I'll either win you over or get voted out at some point.
do you have a read on me/zack's push on you?
you seem to care more to argue the argument than to sort if we are wolves pushing you iyam
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 19:04
I really really really really don't want to tryhsrd this game, I really want to see if I can play mafia again wtihhout spending every waking hour on the game
anyway yes fellow wolf dobby thanks for carrying the team to f3 after we all die from suicide bombing
i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.
there are two things that ping me re: ender
1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.
i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.
2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.
I'm pretty sure ladd only meant he wanted to help you get the game out of rvs
zack seems villagery. benneh is my top villa. lettuce form the masons triumvirate
hk said some stuff wolves prob dont say
i liked mont's opening for exact same reasons as sleep
sunbae seems wolfy
plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol.
i'll help benneh [get the game going] is what I meant
https://media.giphy.com/media/nktAE4mw5EcSI/giphy.gif
sunbae
welp
how do you use gifs?
ok sorry, just wasnt sure because we're in sort of the halfway of joking around and playing serious
both zack and ender on this page expressed thinking he was town, which was weird because i had the exact opposite impression where i read his posts and went :inquisitive:
I don't think it really occurs you a wolf to make 90, seemed like something that was genuinely bugging him / wanted to make sure was said.
I haven't agreed with his analysis but the way capes gone about it seems worthy of an early light v read.
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 19:12
i prefer to think ladd saw me as a damsel in distress and came to my rescue, tyvm
welp
how do you use gifs?
same as any other forum mister 2019 join date
make sure you uncheck the box to rehost it locally though
I disagree that I'm wolfy so it appears that we are an impasse :sharky:
I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.
Feel like #90 makes it more wolfy than not, doubling down on that just seems more bad than awkward, which is what I thought of it initially.
I don't really have any interesting observations so far and I'm not going to try and force them
what's got you bugged out about newcomb rn?
felt like they were going down a script and nothing goes anywhere
particularly got pinged by the "is there anyone here i'd know by a different name" question but it's for dumb and potentially unfair reasons
Sure, but the post that starts the game inevitably will be based on approximately nothing. Someone has to have an opinion, so that other people can have opinions on that opinion and other people can have feelings about the strength of those opinions and oh look we're playing mafia.
I'm down to meme as much as the next guy but 48 hour phases are pretty quick especially when a game's this frontloaded.
Like don't get me wrong I'm down for a casual non wallposty game but... there's a thin line between that and tepid, I guess is my feeling.
this post also gave me bad feels, like you said in the post right below it - he literally has no opinions of his own and this post just kinda felt like a cop out "technically correct" post that ultimately doesn't say anything about the game it's in
Feel like #90 makes it more wolfy than not, doubling down on that just seems more bad than awkward, which is what I thought of it initially.
I guess I could see it from the perspective of "mine was full meme and theirs was mostly meme but with a hint of seriousness to it and I find that weird"
im not reading into cape being an arete wrt joke awareness and am waiting for them to be cape90 instead
felt like they were going down a script and nothing goes anywhere
particularly got pinged by the "is there anyone here i'd know by a different name" question but it's for dumb and potentially unfair reasons
this post also gave me bad feels, like you said in the post right below it - he literally has no opinions of his own and this post just kinda felt like a cop out "technically correct" post that ultimately doesn't say anything about the game it's in
this seems like a rather harsh interpretation given the stage of the game these posts were made in
i prefer to think ladd saw me as a damsel in distress and came to my rescue, tyvm
if only he was around to rescue us when we needed turbo heroes ��
welp
how do you use gifs?
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I guess I could see it from the perspective of "mine was full meme and theirs was mostly meme but with a hint of seriousness to it and I find that weird"
That's what I thought of it initially, probably reading too much into it tbh.
Also im pretty sure that like 5 different people squinted at me already so I don't think the spicy gif is a valid gif. Gonna have to give you a meme demerit. This is your first, if you receive 3 demerits I'll be forced to give you a meme citation. Five citations, and you're looking at a violation. Four of those, and you'll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you're looking at a written warning. Two of those, that will land you in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior, Bronana from the Syndicate.
That's what I thought of it initially, probably reading too much into it tbh.
yeah, same. It's that phase of the game where my brain wants me to start solving things but I know there's nothing of note to solve but I try to read into things anyways. Just gonna kick back and chill and see what happens
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 19:28
Also im pretty sure that like 5 different people squinted at me already so I don't think the spicy gif is a valid gif. Gonna have to give you a meme demerit. This is your first, if you receive 3 demerits I'll be forced to give you a meme citation. Five citations, and you're looking at a violation. Four of those, and you'll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you're looking at a written warning. Two of those, that will land you in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior, Bronana from the Syndicate.
How many SHROOP bucks does a meme citation cost
How many SHROOP bucks does a meme citation cost
actually laughed hard at shroop bucks
Monstrdude
04-21-2022, 19:30
i have a townping on montmorency!
i prefer 5 posts per page, makes it so you dont get overwhelmed with things to read :stars:
go on...
Feels off to me
Caveat I don't think I know you that well
this seems like a rather harsh interpretation given the stage of the game these posts were made in
mayhaps
but it's about the best i can do to explain it, normally id say "lol just bad gut feelings" but im trying to stray away from that
Monstrdude
04-21-2022, 19:32
newc's light v-read on benneh
Spicy take
I don't think anyone's been villagy
i like kinda agree with ender wrt that being a tepid take but for different reasons i think
and i can't feel good about v-reading newc for making it but it's something
What did you mean with that second bit?
Spicy take
I don't think anyone's been villagy
disagree, im p villagery
maybe you are too
Also im pretty sure that like 5 different people squinted at me already so I don't think the spicy gif is a valid gif. Gonna have to give you a meme demerit. This is your first, if you receive 3 demerits I'll be forced to give you a meme citation. Five citations, and you're looking at a violation. Four of those, and you'll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you're looking at a written warning. Two of those, that will land you in a world of hurt, in the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior, Bronana from the Syndicate.
:chucks:
disagree, im p villagery
maybe you are too
Idk, I squinted at your take about not feeling like you can express concern on players in the game and how the player list has a lot of them. But that's just standard operating procedure for games like this for me I suppose
Feels off to me
Caveat I don't think I know you that well
i do not get what u find wolfy about any of those
i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime
I'll definitely grant you "posting just to post" although I can't say Ender's posts really gave me that vibe strongly, but what in your experience makes the post timing thing - answering the last post then going back to answer something from before- a wolf thing?
Doing a mental parse of my own games it kind of feels more like something I'd tend to do more as a villager - like, if you're actually in the moment and invested in a conversation you get a bit disorganized and out of order. Not that that's what happened here since it's not like there was a riveting conversation going on. More interested in the theory I guess, tangential.
This is it. This is the villa me/newcomb game. I can feel it.
Idk, I squinted at your take about not feeling like you can express concern on players in the game and how the player list has a lot of them. But that's just standard operating procedure for games like this for me I suppose
luckily for you, squinting at my opinions is my towntell
im going to slice this first post backwards, for no other reason than i want to save the part i feel strongest about for last, although all of it bothers me
#27 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828274&viewfull=1#post2053828274) is a little odd to me in response to an early vote. Katze's response to the age old question of "why me" seems pretty justified in #29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828276&viewfull=1#post2053828276).okay, so, a lot of cape's early posting can be summed up as "doesn't get jokes". now, not getting jokes isn't inherently wolfy. but take note of the verbiage here - "a little odd". not only is it hedgy it stops short of actually making a call on my alignment - "odd" does not equate to "wolfy", townies can be "odd". it's a little thing but often wolves tend to avoid directly actually calling anything wolfy.
additionally he says katze's response seems "justified" - what parts of that post seem justified? it's...an obvious joke about voting "sleep" to take a nap. it's messing around, there's
again, not getting a joke is not a crime in and of itself but it doesn't seem to me like he's actually reading what is being said in a critical way
Zack's post on page 1 #22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828269&viewfull=1#post2053828269), it just looks like a lot of busy work that really doesn't do anything with it. I feel like this is some post by post analysis that newer town tend to do and given zack has probs played mafia longer then me :boxedin:.now, running back in time 5 seconds, we have another instance of cape not getting a fairly obvious joke
the problem here is he's only responding to this post with a cookie-cutter, broad brushstroke argument - "busywork". what parts of that post seem like busywork? we don't know, because cape doesn't respond to any of the content within. to me this looks like he's making reads based on form rather than content, which is again wolfy because it's a sign that he's not actually reading the game critically - if he had actually tried to engage with any of the "points" zack made in that post i'd be willing to give credit for being tryhardy even if he missed an obvious joke. but as it is, it doesn't look like he actually tried to meaningfully evaluate the stuff zack was saying, because I think if anyone puts more than two seconds of thought into reading his words they'd say "oh, this is an obvious joke".
as it is, it looks like he saw that it looked like a post by post analysis list and decided to call it busy work and shade it. he didn't stop to actually read it.
Surprised to see nobody say words on this as I feel like a lot of players tend to scumread this sort of early mechanics talk as being easy content or whatever. As for myself, I just don't think the read really works a good amount of time, but I just wanted to just point this out.this part here is just...super wolfy? "hey guys, surprised no one is calling this wolfy, i mean i dont, but you might?". it's such a bizzre comment to make, like he's tossing out a bit of bait to see if someone will bite, but keeping his own distance from it. the problem is this: if he doesn't believe that sort of thing is a meaningful tell, why bring it up at all?
it just doesn't read like a natural thought at all. when someone doesn't think a post is alignment indicative, they typically don't talk about it. but here he's simultaneously trying to shade the post and distance himself from it. i dont get the sense this is something said by someone who is trying to find wolves.
I appreciate the try here, but I just don't see it. :shrug:"i don't see it" in response to an early wolfread push. not inherently bad in and of itself, but it is the kind of thing wolves frequently say in the earlygame - being dismissive of early wolfreads is an easy way to fake content, because all they have to do is disagree with people. wolves rarely are the type to lead a charge on someone so they'll often hold back when someone makes a stretchy case in the early game
i can sense some people probably rolling their eyes at this, and that's fine, it's a very minor point but i still wanted to discuss it because it pinged me. like i said, by itself this isn't a strong point at all because it can easily be said by a villager, but within the body of work i find it problematic.
I have no idea what to think about EnderWiggin's whole take on the nebjiamn content thing.says nothing, does nothing.
In a sort of random way, I like Newcomb's response (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828306&viewfull=1#post2053828306) to the EnderWiggin post I just quoted.what, exactly, is there to like about this post? it's kind of generically agreeable in that it makes a point about how to play the game, and I agree that some forward momentum is preferable to a tepid, stagnant game, but it doesn't actually give me feelings on newcomb's alignment one way or the other. and again the verbiage of "in a sort of random way" is another statement that doesn't really do anything except to soften the read that follows.
You know, I don't actually like this read all that much on EnderWiggin as I feel like what Ender has been doing has been sort of villagery for actually the same reasons why ladd suspects Ender.first point, he "doesn't like" a read. but does it mean anything for ladds alignment? he doesn't bother to say. it's easy to agree or disagree with things other people say, but what is harder is to generate your own analysis and thoughts. and what we have is that he is "sort of villagery" (again, more soft language) for "actually the same reasons", which...doesn't make sense at all? it doesn't actually meaningfully address the points ladd is making. why is he villagery for mostly responding to things or "posting just to post"? it's a totally half-baked response, there's nothing in cape's posts that gives a real indicator of why he thinks ender is villagery.
I am gonna take a shot in the dark and say that Benneh's read on a person who has only posted once isn't a deep read.This is a very pedantic sort of dismissal to ender that doesn't really engage with the substance of the argument being made at all. "you said he was putting it forward as if it was a deep read, but it was on one post so it can't be deep at all". which, okay, but he very clearly meant it as a serious read, and cape selectively cuts off the latter parts of his post where ender gets into the more elaborate parts of his thinking about how wolves sometimes try to get too serious too early and hard switch. it doesnt look like hes meaningfully evaluating or considering enders words, just blandly dismissing a point he feels is eay to shoot down. this looks like cape isnt actually trying to read neb or ender. it kind of feeds back into what i said earlier about wolves tending to spend a lot of time in the early game shooting down reads rather than trying to solve.
(fwiw, i did like nebjiamn trying to make a serious accusation early there, and i think the antsiness to move the game forward and disappointment at being engaged with is towny. i didnt really want to respond to the read at the time though because th read itself felt stretchy and it would be more useful to see how the person being accused responds to it rather than saying anything myself. i think dobbys response to it is fine for now. i dont agree with enders take that it could be a wolf play although i understand the reasoning)
I just am so confused on katze's whole "wall" post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828319&viewfull=1#post2053828319) that it almost looks really wolfy to me. At least I get the wolfy feelings in the first part of the post and especially the last part of the post.this is maybe the most egregious instance of cape's hedgy verbiage - why qualify the read in this way? how can something almost look really wolfy?i can find it understandable only finding something slightly suspicious in the early game, but this just comes across like he's afraid to throw a punch. reads very unnatural. either it's really wolfy or it isn't.
that is to say nothing of how again this is an egregious misreading of katze's post - if he was actually paying attention he'd have noticed the second line talks about a "pasta" and i assume cape is at least familiar enough with the concept of "copypasta" to know what that means.
and again not getting smeone's inside joke is not a crime, but what this again demonstrates is that cape is not really reading posts critically, but selectively, picking and choosing things to comment on. he picks out the first and last lines to attack while missing the part that tells him the bottom part of the post is fake and therefore irrelevant.
just wanted to say on the topic of that wallpost thing though. It felt like an almost genuine attempt at doing something with the early posts while my wall was literally not at all :shrug:again with the verbiage heavy on qualifiers, cape can hardly make a read without distancing himself from it
and again he can't actually bring himself to say how the post was supposed to be an "attempt at doing something". he doesn't engage with the substance at all. zack called something like 90% of the posts to that point wolfy, which is obviously absurd. i dont...get the sense cape was actually reading or evaluating that post in a meaningful way, just glossing it over and assuming it had to have been serious
i am willing to give sunbae a smidgen of village credit since he was seeing some of the same things i was in those posts
luckily for you, squinting at my opinions is my towntell
That's my secret Katze, I squint at everyone and then some of them end up being wolves.
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 19:43
Spicy take
I don't think anyone's been villagy
feels like spicy for the sake of spicy
Sleep, what did this say initially:
"additionally he says katze's response seems "justified" - what parts of that post seem justified? it's...an obvious joke about voting "sleep" to take a nap. it's messing around, there's "
There's what? (I'm reading through it)
not really a fan of monsters posts so far
:rtwno:
i don't really see the stuff ladd is saying about ender as wolfy, but i might need to re-read his guide to villaging. i do think ladd's choice of words that he was going to "help" me are interesting in italics.
there are two things that ping me re: ender
1) him claiming my post on dobby was presented as a deep read. i don't really see how someone can come to that conclusion? it was served up as a way to get people out of copypasta mode (slight mission accomplished!) more than anything else. the thoughts themselves are real but when someone suggests deep read its definitely going to be more than just tonal/filler accusations against a 1-poster.
i'm tempering 1 a bit because i don't think i can be the best judge of how my post re: dobby came across since i'm aware of the intent behind it. plus, ladd said i needed help, maybe i appeared to be struggling, lol. i also think ender's Wendy's reply kind of fits with his thinking that it appeared as a deep read.
2) "so I literally can't care enough to tell everyone why that could be a wolf play." this line/snippet from just pings me from a different mindset. why the default to explaining why it can't be a wolf play vs can't be a village play or just NAI? for clarity, this is not a deep read :) but it does ping me as a weird way to hedge the end of that post after saying you appreciated me starting the game off with a watery weak read.
now, although this post is taking issue with enders post in a similar way to cape, it goes a couple layers deeper in picking it apart and actually tries to assign a motive to it. it also makes sense for him to be a bit on edge since he's the one being talked about and presumably feels enders characterization of his post is unfair.
personally, i *see* what this is saying but im not *sure* its wolf-indicative for ender, necessarily
however, i like the process here and think nebjiamn (can i just call u ben?) is p. towny
Sleep, what did this say initially:
"additionally he says katze's response seems "justified" - what parts of that post seem justified? it's...an obvious joke about voting "sleep" to take a nap. it's messing around, there's "
There's what? (I'm reading through it)
hmm, guess i never got around to finishing that thought, i had that post sitting in notepad for a few hours and didnt edit it, my fault for hitting publish on my first draft. i think what i was going for is "it's messing around, there's nothing substantial about it that you could agree with"
Yeah but Benneh put it forward as if it was a deep read.
Wolves struggle more in casual freeposting early when it starts to sort of tread water when the lines between shitposting and actual reads blur because it's more difficult to fake feeling legit takes with TMI.
So often they tend to make a hard switch from shitposting to "reads" because clearly defined situations are easier to fake.
Also, 12 hours of 48 is small.
I was gonna say let me have this casual game to just fuck around with but I guess that ain't happening.
I didn't get that impression that he was putting it forward as something super deep or meaningful. I thought the lampshading that he was starting the game implied that he knew it wasn't.
this game is awkward because i have the impression that it's optimal for me to not really express concerns on certain players or even fake townreads on them but basically the entire list encompasses those players
and like, i'm not going to post the "look, here's what's going to happen" pasta and vote someone i perceive to be outside of that list of players
however:
Look, here's what's going to happen:
We're going to lunch someone, probably someone in the perceived lower half of skill level of the players in the game that had the most uninspired d1 by t0an and/or volume; hopefully we're right
The wolves are going to SPK someone, probably ladd if he's a villager and/or has something that could be minimally construed as a correct fakepeek, and then some other shit may or may not happen and we'll have NK/mechanical stuff to talk about
It's hard to gin up enthusiasm when the real game isn't actually going to start for the better part of 48 hours, and having half the playerlist act like they're all clever for voting me because there's a 25% chance they could be right and have gotten in on the ground floor is just stupid, and it's insulting that you think it would be at all productive regardless of my role
vote: Newcomb
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BrokenSpotlessBactrian-max-1mb.gif
not really a fan of monsters posts so far
:rtwno:
idk i townlean him aorn
Feels off to me
Caveat I don't think I know you that well
think this post expressing concerns on sleep without throwing in the essentially "why me" post from sleep is >rand villagery
ive read and digested the sleep wallpost and sure i can play ball with it for now
vote: Cape90
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BrokenSpotlessBactrian-max-1mb.gif
https://i.imgur.com/Vt9qZ8J.png
no gold trophies? p weaksauce, broski
Winston Hughes
04-21-2022, 19:57
sheep sleep?
yes, i think i shall
vote: cape
i had the same instinct off the bat, but i sorta like some things from their more recent posts and i think they're gonna stick out a bit in this lineup just in terms of style and overlapping circles of familiarity anyway
and i kinda want to see what happens if we let them do their thing for now
This is such a cuth post.
I forgot how much I instinctively want to wolfread you.
Winston Hughes
04-21-2022, 19:58
ive read and digested the sleep wallpost and sure i can play ball with it for now
vote: Cape90
bah!
bah!
your post rhymed so it's automatically better than mine, don't worry
Winston Hughes
04-21-2022, 20:00
my wife just walked in, tried to talk to me, paused for a moment, and then said "you're playing that game again, aren't you?"
:shame:
Cape seems more like mischop bait to me than a wolf :shrug:
I guess the massive wall is hypothetically villagy but it seems so unnecessary to go in that hard in so much detail this early
Surprised to see nobody say words on this as I feel like a lot of players tend to scumread this sort of early mechanics talk as being easy content or whatever. As for myself, I just don't think the read really works a good amount of time, but I just wanted to just point this out.
Zack's post on page 1 #22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828269&viewfull=1#post2053828269), it just looks like a lot of busy work that really doesn't do anything with it. I feel like this is some post by post analysis that newer town tend to do and given zack has probs played mafia longer then me :boxedin:.
#27 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828274&viewfull=1#post2053828274) is a little odd to me in response to an early vote. Katze's response to the age old question of "why me" seems pretty justified in #29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828276&viewfull=1#post2053828276).
I've skimmed ahead enough to know that people jump on this so I probably don't need to do anything here I'd imagine? I'll just hold all cape thoughts until I fully catch up.
What's cape's overall experience level?
my wife just walked in, tried to talk to me, paused for a moment, and then said "you're playing that game again, aren't you?"
:shame:
I assume she then berated you for not playing champs
Winston Hughes
04-21-2022, 20:03
I assume she then berated you for not playing champs
:sweatdrop:
Cape seems more like mischop bait to me than a wolf :shrug:
very possible and i have some confidence i can read into which he is correctly at some point today but i still have no qualms applying a bit of pressure early :hide:
I've skimmed ahead enough to know that people jump on this so I probably don't need to do anything here I'd imagine? I'll just hold all cape thoughts until I fully catch up.
What's cape's overall experience level?
iirc cape is newer, MU account registered may 2021
I assume she then berated you for not playing champs
im sure she tried to vote winston but was denied by the evil dolby
Cape seems more like mischop bait to me than a wolf :shrug:
I guess the massive wall is hypothetically villagy but it seems so unnecessary to go in that hard in so much detail this early
id rather take a swing at the strongest read i have and see what responses it provokes, get some good ~discourse~ rolling. i had planned to hold off until closer to the 24 hour mark but felt like the conversation was drifting a bit so it was a good time to lay my cards on the table
anyway I was really hoping Winston would storm in here drunk as hell and call all my posts wolfy with pimp emojis
:whip:
Winston Hughes
04-21-2022, 20:10
anyway I was really hoping Winston would storm in here drunk as hell and call all my posts wolfy with pimp emojis
:whip:
there'll be plenty of time for that, don't you worry
the reads on him were hedged in a jokey sort of way (that i think is typical of early game and not really alignment indicative) but i assume the sentimen behind them is at least somewhat real or they wouldn't express it
well i can go into all the problems i have with the stuff he posted but i don't want to explain it just yet
Not a super impactful read but I do think if cape = w and especially if zack also= v then Sleep's like never ever a wolf. Being the second person to jump on this stuff after zack, while showing a pretty big awareness of cape's position in the thread - especially that zack kind of jokey townread him - gives him like the perfect ultra sweet opportunity to double down on a bus or pre-bus, instead he's got a very natural post here where he's more focused on the reactions to cape instead of laying out the problems he has with the post. As w/w with cape here he's really really gonna want those problems on the record, and not as like the 4th or 5th person to jump on it.
Read Sleep's wall. I think my biggest noteworthy comment is a disagreement on what the post involving Mont was. Sleep is referring to it as potential bait as a wolf throwing shade at a villager while also distancing from the read. I've read it more as a wolf seeing a wolf make a post, thinking it was very wolfy because they have the answer, and then being confused when others didn't pick up on it. Kind of like the inverse of my pet read of "wolf who sees a wall by a villager, assumes it has to be villagery, and snap calls it a towny post".
As for the entire point of it: it verbalizes some of the issues I've been having with Cape so far. I see a few people already jumped on so I'll probably try to find my own thing to do just for wagon building/pressuring but in spirit I'm on board with this push right now.
I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.
Now that, on the other hand...
I think I'm supposed to take "this is a bus" insinuations as a positive thing right?
anyway I was really hoping Winston would storm in here drunk as hell and call all my posts wolfy with pimp emojis
:whip:
I might not have pimp emojis but I can call your posts wolfy with spongebob gifs if you'd like
hmm, guess i never got around to finishing that thought, i had that post sitting in notepad for a few hours and didnt edit it, my fault for hitting publish on my first draft. i think what i was going for is "it's messing around, there's nothing substantial about it that you could agree with"
No worries, it happens.
I might not have pimp emojis but I can call your posts wolfy with spongebob gifs if you'd like
:yes:
And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.
and yeah I'm being serious
You... want to give up town KP in a game that's gonna have like 6 deaths in the first four phases?
Like I'm struggling to parse this, you want to have the ability to read into the kill the wolves make at night, but you don't think you'll be able to read into a kill that we collectively decide to make instead of just the wolves? And you want to preemptively make D1 have no stakes by removing the possibility of a wolf dying?
That's like.... some wild degree of TWTBAW / TWTBTWTBAW / TWTBWTRIWMVMWIRWJ:KFSDKDF:JKDF where my brain kind of blue screens.
zack is wolfy
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/223260125786406912/966572243641585674/ezgif-4-838b59896a.gif
:yes:
https://c.tenor.com/eQJiAu-taPcAAAAC/spongebob-plankton.gif
zack is wolfy
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:2thumbsup:
yeah no problem.
My OG vote on Katze was 100% a shitpost vote.
People started piling onto katze tho and that felt weird to me. Like if they're a wolf then it's great, but if they're town a runaway wagon on them to start the game seems like a good opportunity for a wolf or two to get on and try to hang there for a chop today.
That's the basis for the v read there, basically that too many people were like "hmm yes katze is a good vote at this stage of the game".
I subscribe to the theory that early game wagons have lasting impact on the rest of the game through a kind of communal thread memory and that an early game wagon like that on a villager is one way to put a potential strong village player into the POE to make them either post out of it or allow for "bad votes" later in the game by calling back to it.
This, I like. I believe HK believes this I guess, and that that's where his thoughts were at the time.
Yeah, while I don't agree with the sleep vote idea (I actually think people vote sleep too often already) I do think HK has been towny in their oomph and believe-what-they-are-saying stuff
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:34
i think lots of people are villagery so far
even sunbae :sweatdrop:
i think lots of people are villagery so far
even sunbae :sweatdrop:
talk to me about sunbae because I don't agree
i still think almost every post newcomb posts is wolfy
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 20:40
What did you mean with that second bit?
i think the benneh v read from initial posting is good enough to be valid but also one that's not super ai to actually make
but it was low hanging fruit and you picked it anyway and i think that's faintly villagery in the broader context of the thread but not anything more substantial than that
nor do i think it's a super villagery thing for you specifically as a player given your awareness of the thread, where for some people I'd feel better ascribing meaning to the action from a distance
vote: cape90
theres
a lot of things wrong with this post
maybe I had too much fun with that last part :bounce:
This is it. This is the villa me/newcomb game. I can feel it.
Man I hope so
wishes, fishes, etc
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 20:42
my wife just walked in, tried to talk to me, paused for a moment, and then said "you're playing that game again, aren't you?"
:shame:
this genuinely made me laugh
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:43
talk to me about sunbae because I don't agree
you might hate me but its just vibes so far. thread feels relatively comfortable and the way sunbae is interacting, particularly witha few people calling him wolfy, just feels like a villabro waiting for other villabros to find and sort him rather than force the issue. how he is engaging with reads feels constructive and helpful rather than dismissive. idk. vibes.
Read Sleep's wall. I think my biggest noteworthy comment is a disagreement on what the post involving Mont was. Sleep is referring to it as potential bait as a wolf throwing shade at a villager while also distancing from the read. I've read it more as a wolf seeing a wolf make a post, thinking it was very wolfy because they have the answer, and then being confused when others didn't pick up on it. Kind of like the inverse of my pet read of "wolf who sees a wall by a villager, assumes it has to be villagery, and snap calls it a towny post".
As for the entire point of it: it verbalizes some of the issues I've been having with Cape so far. I see a few people already jumped on so I'll probably try to find my own thing to do just for wagon building/pressuring but in spirit I'm on board with this push right now.
ehh, how often do you see a wolf who notices their teammate made a wolfy post, notices no one calling it out, and then makes it a point to draw attention to the post but also not push on it? it's really written in a way where he's positioned to get credit off a motnmorency w flip. not saying its impossible, but i dont really see it
but im also just not going to get deep into worldbuiding on day 1, too many conditionals and the whole thing falls apart if ur wrong on one person
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:44
you might hate me but its just vibes so far. thread feels relatively comfortable and the way sunbae is interacting, particularly witha few people calling him wolfy, just feels like a villabro waiting for other villabros to find and sort him rather than force the issue. how he is engaging with reads feels constructive and helpful rather than dismissive. idk. vibes.
forgot to add on to this:
what parts of sunbae's posting do you think are wolfy? or is it just lack of villageriness for you so far
Cuthillius
04-21-2022, 20:45
benneh feels v, katze is hard to tell mostly because of playerlist dynamics but lean v on balance, by extension i like sunbae and am ok with ladd and newc
forgot to add on to this:
what parts of sunbae's posting do you think are wolfy? or is it just lack of villageriness for you so far
vibes :curtain:
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:46
vibes :curtain:
hehe
benneh feels v, katze is hard to tell mostly because of playerlist dynamics but lean v on balance, by extension i like sunbae and am ok with ladd and newc
what does the bolded mean
agree on benneh no strong opinion on sunb/ladd
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:48
what does the bolded mean
agree on benneh no strong opinion on sunb/ladd
he just called you polarized
he just called you polarized
ur face is polarized
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:50
ur face is polarized
25398
when benneh calls me helpful and constructive
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hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 20:52
You... want to give up town KP in a game that's gonna have like 6 deaths in the first four phases?
Like I'm struggling to parse this, you want to have the ability to read into the kill the wolves make at night, but you don't think you'll be able to read into a kill that we collectively decide to make instead of just the wolves? And you want to preemptively make D1 have no stakes by removing the possibility of a wolf dying?
That's like.... some wild degree of TWTBAW / TWTBTWTBAW / TWTBWTRIWMVMWIRWJ:KFSDKDF:JKDF where my brain kind of blue screens.
in my defense I have not read the setup at all but judging by this reaction my idea is stupid af.
gonna go back to killing ender then, I think they could use some "hey do something townie" pressure
vote: ender
hollowkatt
04-21-2022, 20:53
I think sunbae has been like obvs villagery for like the whole game, someone explain to me why I'm wrong because I see quite a few people saying I'm wrong. Not like "HK you are wrong" but lots of "sunbae can absolutely be a wolf"
i still think almost every post newcomb posts is wolfy
I think this is the part where I'm supposed to say something like, "Katze's the kind of player who lacks the testicular fortitude to poke at me like this as a wolf."
https://c.tenor.com/OoUxaidX2q0AAAAM/surprise-doakes.gif
Vote: Katze
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:56
Vote: Newcomb
~:smoking:
I'm struggling to parse Cape simultaneously making a wall post about avatar reads and throwing suspicion on people for jokey posts on the first page and a half. Could be wolfy fake suspicion that doesn't flow well or could just be a villager making a shift in seriousness quickly. Maybe someone else has a better take on it.
I kinda more read Zack's post as a half-joke, I thought it was trying to be real content without actually being real content.
The second part on Sleep/katze was obviously me goofing.
The katze read I made about their long post is the most concrete thing I have right now.
Sunbae also had concerns about my Mont thing (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828386&viewfull=1#post2053828386) and I feel like I put it well in my post. It is just something that I would expect people to shade Mont for even though I would disagree with their suspicions but I would still expect someone to point it out as potentially suspicious or whatever. There has hardly been talk around it in the first place.
I agree with Sunbae's take on Zack/Newcomb (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828391&viewfull=1#post2053828391) for the time being.
Guess I should mention the accusation that I am not adjusting to the game well or whatever. And the answer is pretty simple
It was early on in the game and I wanted to get the content train keeping on steaming down the tracks. As it turns out, it worked, it got people talking about me and stuff. Funny how that works, it's not like I was gonna be lighthearted and jovial all game, I'm kinda a tryhard who doesn't like to have fun after a chunk of time has passed
I think this is the part where I'm supposed to say something like, "Katze's the kind of player who lacks the testicular fortitude to poke at me like this as a wolf."
https://c.tenor.com/OoUxaidX2q0AAAAM/surprise-doakes.gif
Vote: Katze
if you had said that i'd probably have thought it was wolfy because it's patently untrue and while i don't think we've played together i'd expect you to still know that
your move, friend
nebjiamn
04-21-2022, 20:58
when benneh calls me helpful and constructive
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unrelated
i swore i'd never get peacock after nbc took office off netflix but we got it free/part of a package recently and man oh man, while i love gilmore girls as much as the next guy, its still really nice to have michael scott back in my bedroom on demand every night
To expand on that:
I think katze falls into a group of players in this list - a relatively small one - whose experience with me falls into a range of "mostly recent-ish MU games" where they'd be likely to have internalized the fact that I pretty frequently give people town passes for poking at me in a way that I think a lot of wolves would be afraid to. Internalized it to the extent where it'd be ~somewhat likely that they'd think it was a decent approach to me as a wolf.
I also think Kat's treatment of my slot has felt way way more like poking / drawing attention than any kind of inquisitiveness / genuine sorting.
Feel like #90 makes it more wolfy than not, doubling down on that just seems more bad than awkward, which is what I thought of it initially.
Wanted to say on the subject of that post #90, it's probably NAI for me and I would make the post as either alignment
carry on :book2:
- sunbae's opener just seemed fake 2 me, in every game I've played with him as a villager he made a big effort going out of his way to leave PR cover, and while that doesn't really matter in this setup, it still struck me as out of character. *Sunbae* didn't even bother reading a setup before reading a bunch of posts in the actual game? :inquisitive:
- I thought ender had easily the most fry-worthy start and Cape looks more like "villager who gets misyeeted" than an actual wolf to me. Sunbae ignored all ender discourse afaict, and has railed against Cape a good amount and even tried to tie him to Monty as w/w on what seemed like a big stretch to me. Just doesn't make me feel good.
felt like they were going down a script and nothing goes anywhere
particularly got pinged by the "is there anyone here i'd know by a different name" question but it's for dumb and potentially unfair reasons
meta is unfair
im not reading into cape being an arete wrt joke awareness and am waiting for them to be cape90 instead
aret aret
i do not get what u find wolfy about any of those
I second not knowing.
Did you ever explain the townping on Montmorency?
To expand on that:
I think katze falls into a group of players in this list - a relatively small one - whose experience with me falls into a range of "mostly recent-ish MU games" where they'd be likely to have internalized the fact that I pretty frequently give people town passes for poking at me in a way that I think a lot of wolves would be afraid to. Internalized it to the extent where it'd be ~somewhat likely that they'd think it was a decent approach to me as a wolf.
I also think Kat's treatment of my slot has felt way way more like poking / drawing attention than any kind of inquisitiveness / genuine sorting.
afaik we've never played together (you did mentor me in a game once tho) and you're someone i more know based off of reputation than anything
and i think ur pretty weaksauce so far, this post included
The second part on Sleep/katze was obviously me goofing.
is it rude to say that even if this was truly a joke, it wasn't funny, and therefore is wolfy?
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