Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[hollowkatt]

My condolences to readers of Page 54.

Very important consideration: Mafia will usually bus today because the game typically ends D6, and Sunbae, Zack, etc. have to be NKed.

Bottom line here: At least one of Neb/NC/cape HAS to be maf.

Zack, in your own words explain to me how essoa and hally went so deep in Mass Effect.

I volunteer to be vested. This will never backfire on the vesting faction (compared to alternatives).

(I get the sense people read my posts with worse comprehension despite their low quantity.)

Hey Monte! How do you get to min one wolf in that set of three players? If it's in your ISO somewhere just say that and I'll go find it.

[Dobby]

it does seem to make the assumption you are town who will explode on him, yeah

idk that its damning but its odd

explode on him teehee

sorryh im not a mod here i can do this kind of thing

[Newcomb]

is this something that is wolfy or something that is frustrating/bad?

I get why it bothers you (I'm sure it would me too if it had been directed at me) but it seems like kind of a weird thing for a wolf to do imo

More the former. I don't see it as being something that's really alignment indicative moreso something that has a chance of getting into his head a bit.

[Newcomb]

More the former. I don't see it as being something that's really alignment indicative moreso something that has a chance of getting into his head a bit.

*the latter

[hollowkatt]

I'm re-reading the run up to the end of D1. Nothing fun to talk about yet but the wagon formations are super fun to watch happen now that it's not crunch time.

[Raskolnikov]

it does seem to make the assumption you are town who will explode on him, yeah

idk that its damning but its odd

Nah. HK is starting from Sunbae's scenario: we ML today > he vests Dobby. (who would at time bomb HK in return)
So he was saying that if that's the plan, better chop him so Dobby has to make another shot.

I don't think it's a perspective slip. I don't think it has relevance now (since the reads don't hold anymore).

[Dobby]

so this was the first ender post i reacted on


Yeah but Benneh put it forward as if it was a deep read.

Wolves struggle more in casual freeposting early when it starts to sort of tread water when the lines between shitposting and actual reads blur because it's more difficult to fake feeling legit takes with TMI.

So often they tend to make a hard switch from shitposting to "reads" because clearly defined situations are easier to fake.

Also, 12 hours of 48 is small.

I was gonna say let me have this casual game to just fuck around with but I guess that ain't happening.

because this "how wolves play" just felt misplaced, and then i was like, maybe its just... real?

i just found a few posts that i really couldnt vibe with or see, like, why would he post this here is it for shows


and then hk pushed him and i got a bit hmm

and then i saw that he was top poster (im pretty sure he was top poster d1 at least because it was legit a thought i had that i didnt want to voice loudly)

so i was like "yeah i didnt like him at first and then changed my mind on him


also this is also a little eerie to read in hindsight


i'll help benneh and then go afk for the next 24ish hours

v
mont
benneh
ladd

sleep

i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime

for context:





i'll yolo a sunbae w read (you'll do amazing in champs tho! genuinely)

not sure hed pop out both ender and monty there if theyre his teammates

[katze]

ok i wasnt that hungry so i just got an apple

Alive: (13/17)
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

lets see...


7 clears wins the game


1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
10. Sunbae
14. katze
15. Sleep

think i feel pretty content with that as a core, if i had to swap one name out it'd be to put in HK or mbe monty

11. Montmorency
17. hollowkatt

7. Newcomb
9. EnderWiggin
12. roro__b
16. Cape90

which would leave me that (with hk/monty a bit above, hk is more above monty tho)

off till EoD, little bit tilted

feel good about this, put HK in the top half if you decide to chop me, whatever

[Cape90]

Think this is a decent look for HK; the self awareness to point out the lack of read on a partner in the same sentence you're distancing from a second partner is a little much to imagine as being a real thing.


Not sure how much I want to read into this but the flat response to sleep's big wall is like... ehh I was gonna say +villa for sleep. Maybe it is a little. I'm just not sure how much I should read into any of monstr's posts given what happened. Like you can't really ascribe normal wolf agenda/valuation/thinking to someone to blew up like that and clearly had some stuff going on.


I do feel like this is +v for sleep. Given you have a flipped wolf talking about a confirmed v in Sunbae here, just like, the way he explains it, the length of the paragraph, the cadence of it, is very similar to what he does in the 3rd paragraph for sleep.

im ngl, and I dunno why I have this read, but I just feel like a lot of the points that Newcomb raise in this string of posts are just kind of whatever and feel somewhat forced

[Dobby]

I'm re-reading the run up to the end of D1. Nothing fun to talk about yet but the wagon formations are super fun to watch happen now that it's not crunch time.

oh btw i checdked, i was there at 01:57 (day ended at 02:00 my time) so yeah that was "a lot of time" for me to make a vote, analyse what the wagons were at, throw out a new vote, see that it wouldnt work out, not follow what the top wagon was, and then realise that i need to pick one of ladd or newcomb


so to whoever had those arguments, just NO. :whip: (provided you trust that i actually did come back to thread just before eod because i didnt want to just miss it)


i am aslop suppoerd to be asleep now but here i am digging into isos but it doesnt really work to iso poeple here, you cant even ctrl f words ebcause it only shows a sentence :(

[Cape90]

on the topic of my approach, earlier I was analyzing the end of day, day 1 posts a whole lot as I find that a lot of good information is stored there and is a reason why I feel pretty strongly about Mont being a wolf

[Dobby]

off till EoD, little bit tilted

feel good about this, put HK in the top half if you decide to chop me, whatever

tilted because of the game? y tho :(

i dont think youre a realistic chop tbh tbh hugs

[Raskolnikov]

oh btw i checdked, i was there at 01:57 (day ended at 02:00 my time) so yeah that was "a lot of time" for me to make a vote, analyse what the wagons were at, throw out a new vote, see that it wouldnt work out, not follow what the top wagon was, and then realise that i need to pick one of ladd or newcomb


so to whoever had those arguments, just NO. :whip: (provided you trust that i actually did come back to thread just before eod because i didnt want to just miss it)


i am aslop suppoerd to be asleep now but here i am digging into isos but it doesnt really work to iso poeple here, you cant even ctrl f words ebcause it only shows a sentence :(

Get Better, like Bob

https://media3.giphy.com/media/Nx85vtTY70T3W/giphy.gif

[EnderWiggin]

Catching up still this morning but I just wanna say that Dobby's whole "Don't vote me out, vest me" feels a little off. Like that's exactly the approach a wolf who doesn't believe they can escape POE would do to take power out of town's hands.

[katze]

tilted because of the game? y tho :(

i dont think youre a realistic chop tbh tbh hugs

yeah but i don't really want to dirty the thread with the existence of emotions so im opting to just leave it for now

and because it's probably unjustified emotion because im stupid

[Raskolnikov]

yeah but i don't really want to dirty the thread with the existence of emotions so im opting to just leave it for now

and because it's probably unjustified emotion because im stupid

<3

Let the mortals tinfoil katze. Don't be mad ;)

[EnderWiggin]

why do I have almost as many posts as ender right now, this doesnt seem right, I feel like they really declined in activity from yesterday to today

Something to do with losing 24 hours to a migraine and also having D&D on the weekends. =P

I do have a life outside mafia yes.

[hollowkatt]

1102

Players Votes

Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)

Then Cuth nude votes Ladd
which is interesting b/c Cuth was on Winston, then joins Winston on Ladd. Have to find out if the Cuth Winston vote was legit or just hanging out.

Was not just hanging out... kinda low key hate this sequence tbh

it's kinda sad that both katze and benneh are voting me

that gets me down a bit

in terms of how i'm playing this game

i would be tempted to vote ladd but i think winston voting ladd just from the game perspective more broadly is vaguely wack and it makes me feel less great about it

rask is fine

otherwise csargo monty really just feel like uninteresting

i think if i had another hour i might feel good about going hk but right now i have a hard time i need to spend more time and there isn't more time


vote: winston

Winston keeps stumping for Ladd votes

Rask flips off of Cuth onto Sunbae

neb flips off of nobody on to Rask

Katze flips off of nobody onto Newcomb

sleep flips off of newcomb into Ladd

dobby flips off of HK onto Rask

sleep flips off of ladd back to newcomb

monte flips from raskol to ladd

Raskol flips from sunbae to Ladd

This ends the day.

Then Monte posts "oh crap what sthe tally"

Neb posts again

katze posts -- this is the first post "POST" deadline

dobby says I don't want either of ladd newc but if I have to choose it's ladd

rask says "sorry I didn't want to"

monte tries to unvote

visor yells at everyone to stop posting.


UGH I WANNA WOLF READ CUTH SO BAD FOR THIS

fuck it
vote: cuthillius

I went through the Winston ISO looking for ladd suspicions. The first is just a naked vote. Then winston says this:

ladd
newcomb
montmorency

all of these are good targets

Then he votes Ladd again and cuth makes the above set of posts, then finally joins winston on the ladd wagon for what appears to be reasons I can't fathom.

I looked through Cuths ISO as well and see mostly Ladd V reads there, very little in terms of "could ladd be wolf" until the vote happens

Like this is the closest ladd post cuth makes before the post I quoted at the top of this post

benneh ender katze sunbae (ladd)

very opposed to any of these people today aorn

yeah, cuth absolutely can be a wolf here and the ladd vote was advantageous positioning for him here even though it would mean losing wolf PR.

[hollowkatt]

Nah. HK is starting from Sunbae's scenario: we ML today > he vests Dobby. (who would at time bomb HK in return)
So he was saying that if that's the plan, better chop him so Dobby has to make another shot.

I don't think it's a perspective slip. I don't think it has relevance now (since the reads don't hold anymore).

^^
Rask gets it

[Sleep]

oh btw i checdked, i was there at 01:57 (day ended at 02:00 my time) so yeah that was "a lot of time" for me to make a vote, analyse what the wagons were at, throw out a new vote, see that it wouldnt work out, not follow what the top wagon was, and then realise that i need to pick one of ladd or newcomb


so to whoever had those arguments, just NO. :whip: (provided you trust that i actually did come back to thread just before eod because i didnt want to just miss it)


i am aslop suppoerd to be asleep now but here i am digging into isos but it doesnt really work to iso poeple here, you cant even ctrl f words ebcause it only shows a sentence :(

fyi i have been using the advanced thread search at the top of the page, its imperfect because it cuts off posts but it lets you search for specific words from a specific user which is very helpful

[hollowkatt]

also also leaving now to make dinner will try to be back asap but probs not till like 7:30ish. hopefully earlier

[hollowkatt]

fyi i have been using the advanced thread search at the top of the page, its imperfect because it cuts off posts but it lets you search for specific words from a specific user which is very helpful

yeah, it's useful enough b/c it does isolate their posts ITT and then if you want to read more opening in a new tab. That said it's a nightmare on the phone so meh

[EnderWiggin]

Me: Dobby is doing the sus then where they're effectively trying to beg off being voted out to be vested and I don't like it.

Monty: Does exactly the same thing

[Dobby]

i turned on my pc for this btw

imma do my best to turn smth smth every rock and make the best decision possible if i get vested

if i get yeeted, my reads probably suck so just flip my list and you'll have it right but

gth what i have now based on nothing is like

sunbae







zack (yes ur lkower than sunbae get rekt)

--
Sleep (just towny and i liked our interactions a lot)
benneh (prolly have him a free pass and i have tinfoil but itll take a couple of days before he'll be on the agenda tbh)
cuth (cuz of like, just tonal stuff and i still think its valid, also monstr stuff)
Raskolnikov (i think someone said something nice about him but idr im just gonna trust hes not peo for now)


hollowkatt (i cant deny the shit i had on him eaqrly still skeeves me out (i hope that word means what i want it to mean) but today's interactions and wim has been super good and i like, hes also kinda charming.)
newcomb (i would place him lower but i skimmed his recent posts and his readslist now placing me fairly high celearly means that hes smart and stuff (serious version is that i am going to look into him a lot if i survive the night and especially if i get vest))
katze (weh, i feel like the stuff about katzes wolfgame vs towngame just wasnt a correct reprensentation because it made it sound like she has like a town/Ywolfmeta but thats not the case imo. The newcomb push was prety legit though and i just got it at the time i read it, past that i havent had anything that stands out re katze and its kinda been like, hanging around middle of the packy and im not sure that makes me comfortable (it doesnt)

cape (i kinda wrote it but, a few posts that felt out of place, a lot of the people are just townier, hasnt had much of an impression but i wish the work hes doing now at this eod woiuldve been earlier tbh. Rn the catchup stuff doesnt help much to form an opinion. zack seems to like this slot though which makes it a bit less likely for me to end with a vote here)

monty (weh i refuse to write something here because im lazy im just gonna keep calling this a blind spot, might be unfair that im considering voting a blind spot but it would mostly be because im sheeping conftown and whatever i have on monty was just agh this doesnt look great but itll maybe change if/when he posts more and i havent really seen any breakthrough thats skewed me)
ender (i think ender has sailed up to be my preferred yoink by far this eod, was also one of two isos i hurried through but i also had quite a few notes on him that i just waved off d1 but i think i shouldnt have so yeah)


Vote: Ender

[Sleep]

man i start doubting hk here and then he makes a post on cuth that was like, my exact thoughts a few hours ago

[Dobby]

Catching up still this morning but I just wanna say that Dobby's whole "Don't vote me out, vest me" feels a little off. Like that's exactly the approach a wolf who doesn't believe they can escape POE would do to take power out of town's hands.

i mean i cant escape poe lol

[EnderWiggin]

Me: Calls out Dobby posting for being sus

Dobby: Well now Ender's my biggest target so that happened.

[Dobby]

^^
Rask gets it

ah i see
hollowkatt do u think the cuth/monstr stuff was faked/teammate anger that led to monstr tilting out?

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Dobby for now.

[Dobby]

yeah, it's useful enough b/c it does isolate their posts ITT and then if you want to read more opening in a new tab. That said it's a nightmare on the phone so meh

ive played 99% on phone, usually in the car on my way to somehwere or at the breakfast/lunch/dinnertable or between patients at work.. mofia, gotta love it


Me: Calls out Dobby posting for being sus

Dobby: Well now Ender's my biggest target so that happened.

i did it before your post though, here it is sir (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830389&viewfull=1#post2053830389)


also uh, you're just one more person that votes me/cases me/susses me immediately after i sus them, i think youre nr 3 or 4 tbh

[Dobby]

Sunbae zack imma just be mean and say ender or monty, you decide and take the blame if its wrong (except ill still be the one to die)

i really really need to sleep, imma give it 3 mins ro smth

[hollowkatt]

ah i see
hollowkatt do u think the cuth/monstr stuff was faked/teammate anger that led to monstr tilting out?

tbh I don't even want to think about that and what it might mean.

[Sleep]

both town and scum have reason to request the vest here, i dont think its ai

[Dobby]

tbh I don't even want to think about that and what it might mean.

i mean i did like cuth before (more like love tbh <3) but that interaction really... sure i didnt think monstr was wolf but if thats some w/w action im just worse at mafia than i though (and that'd be REALLY bad)

[EnderWiggin]

both town and scum have reason to request the vest here, i dont think its ai

You're right. But the whole "Please don't vote me out, vest me instead" is particularly what rankles me.

[Montmorency]

aorry im dumb and tired (im gonna keep saying im tired til i fall slep) but why does one of those HHAVE to be maf? are they on a specific wagon now oer

Hey Monte! How do you get to min one wolf in that set of three players? If it's in your ISO somewhere just say that and I'll go find it.

There are very few worlds otherwise.

For my latest vote, I believe NC just trapped himself in the path of least resistance, which is what scum would be doing right now with towncore in control of the thread.

I don't have a big D2 ISO.


i think wolves are probably in {monty, ender, katze, dobby} in no particular order

if there's 1 (or 2 lol) outside of that, glgl not my problem :laugh4:

Damn, definitely don't vest Zack.


Catching up still this morning but I just wanna say that Dobby's whole "Don't vote me out, vest me" feels a little off. Like that's exactly the approach a wolf who doesn't believe they can escape POE would do to take power out of town's hands.

Mafia want to kill the vested.


Me: Dobby is doing the sus then where they're effectively trying to beg off being voted out to be vested and I don't like it.

Monty: Does exactly the same thing

I've been doing this since Dolby flipped, long before Dobby. Dibs.

[Montmorency]

Some ITT

https://i.imgur.com/zp61wF2.jpg

I'm disappointed; Zack should have been able to solve the game for us.

HK, it's kind of shocking that players on the Mafia-killing wagon could get so much tinfoil D2. T-Cuth has to be dead by D6 (LYLO) - do the math.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Montmorency 4 (Cape90, Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 2 (nebjiamn, Sleep)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
Dobby 1 (EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Newcomb 1 (Montmorency)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)

2037

[hollowkatt]

i mean i did like cuth before (more like love tbh <3) but that interaction really... sure i didnt think monstr was wolf but if thats some w/w action im just worse at mafia than i though (and that'd be REALLY bad)

I can't not comment on it though.

Ok, so Monstr didn't have horrible positioning at that time of the game, he was mildly suspect from a few people but not like "omg guys it's always monstr get him" and the way he flipped his tone makes me think that he felt very unhappy that he was being suspected and that he felt his pack was selling him out.

[hollowkatt]

Some ITT

https://i.imgur.com/zp61wF2.jpg

I'm disappointed; Zack should have been able to solve the game for us.

HK, it's kind of shocking that players on the Mafia-killing wagon could get so much tinfoil D2. T-Cuth has to be dead by D6 (LYLO) - do the math.

yeah I get that.

[Dobby]

I can't not comment on it though.

Ok, so Monstr didn't have horrible positioning at that time of the game, he was mildly suspect from a few people but not like "omg guys it's always monstr get him" and the way he flipped his tone makes me think that he felt very unhappy that he was being suspected and that he felt his pack was selling him out.

i dont think that mood was unique to this game and would prefer uh not believing i nthat assumption myself at least


im staying on ender even though im alone there apparently (lol not voting cw)

glhf im execting to be top wagon and ded when i wake up love u all

[Sunbae]

Catching up

[EnderWiggin]

Players Votes

Montmorency 4 (Cape90, Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 2 (nebjiamn, Sleep)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
Dobby 1 (EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Newcomb 1 (Montmorency)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)

2037

I did not realise that I was alone on Dobby.

For some reason my half awake brain thought it was a wagon.

[nebjiamn]

im gonna stay stubbornly on cape and just mumble about how i think monty's flipping v and if and when i'm wrong ill just be happy to be on a team full of all stars who carried me over the finish line like on day 1

[hollowkatt]

i dont think that mood was unique to this game and would prefer uh not believing i nthat assumption myself at least


im staying on ender even though im alone there apparently (lol not voting cw)

glhf im execting to be top wagon and ded when i wake up love u all

I'll try to stop it tbh b/c I'm convinced you're town

[hollowkatt]

I did not realise that I was alone on Dobby.

For some reason my half awake brain thought it was a wagon.

I was on dobby for a while, but I flipped my read and now think he's obvs town. Would prefer you not actually be there tbh

[Sleep]

i should note that cape and newcomb are on the same wagon while cape has just shaded him (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830391&viewfull=1#post2053830391)

(aside: damn, search function only returns 4 pages of posts max, that stinks)

[hollowkatt]

ok now I really am leaving for dinner

[Sleep]

im gonna stay stubbornly on cape and just mumble about how i think monty's flipping v and if and when i'm wrong ill just be happy to be on a team full of all stars who carried me over the finish line like on day 1

u and me both pal

[Montmorency]

im gonna stay stubbornly on cape and just mumble about how i think monty's flipping v and if and when i'm wrong ill just be happy to be on a team full of all stars who carried me over the finish line like on day 1

Don't think I won't call this bluff at some point.

[Cape90]

cape (i kinda wrote it but, a few posts that felt out of place, a lot of the people are just townier, hasnt had much of an impression but i wish the work hes doing now at this eod woiuldve been earlier tbh. Rn the catchup stuff doesnt help much to form an opinion. zack seems to like this slot though which makes it a bit less likely for me to end with a vote here)


I really don't like being discounted like this just because zack likes my slot or something. I don't think I would go as far as to say "disingenuous solving" since I don't think that is it but more of an unfulfilling answer to what dobby thinks of me and my slot that I personally dont care so much for.

Other comments:
-Speaking of unfulfulling, there is that benneh read, which again, does the unfortune of withholding information i.e. the tinfoil. However, since mafia have priority killing the sorcs, I will give it a pass.
-The Rask read just feels really unoriginal in it's entirety and I dislike that.
-Newcomb is like a ? on Dobby's list, but Dobby references that they liked where Dobby ended up on Newcomb's readslist but I feel like I am grasping for more there.

[Cape90]

i should note that cape and newcomb are on the same wagon while cape has just shaded him (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830391&viewfull=1#post2053830391)

(aside: damn, search function only returns 4 pages of posts max, that stinks)

I was on Mont first and Newcomb isn't really my top POE I wanna revisit some of the reasons I was townreading them day 1 ago and just check

[nebjiamn]

Don't think I won't call this bluff at some point.
i don't understand the statement

[katze]

ok ive decided to stop being a child because im being tinfoiled

hi

[katze]

look what page we're on

hehenice

[katze]

i should note that cape and newcomb are on the same wagon while cape has just shaded him (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830391&viewfull=1#post2053830391)

(aside: damn, search function only returns 4 pages of posts max, that stinks)

i could honestly see this being the team on a gut level

dno if it makes sense at a deeper look

[Raskolnikov]

look what page we're on

hehenice

wb :bow:

[Montmorency]

i don't understand the statement

I prefer thunderdoming NC to cape.

[katze]

Cape - I'm still kind of processing that post he randomly quoted of mine from a hundred years ago. I would... definitely like to see the thought process behind that. Moving on to the bigger picture - I just don't think he really fits on a lot of teams. I guess he could be with HK or something? He's probably not with monte, I don't really think he's with dobby. I guess more meaningfully he doesn't really fit on a ladd/monsr/cape/x team like in general. I think it's gonna be hard to not PoE this slot but we really should clear it if we can, because if cape's v that's like always always a misyeet wolves need. I can't like, do that, not now, but I do want to try to get there if it's possible.

[...]

Monte >> Katze >>>> HK = ender > cape > dobby >>> rask

Vote: Montmorency

That's about the most detailed I can be while doing this at work, but I'm around to chat for another ~hour or so probably.

squint

[Raskolnikov]

Rask is Winston, one of my top wolves...

yeah?


what?


lmao I dunno how you came to this conclusion?

rask is raskolnikov, a zero poster so far


oh

well then never mind, anyway, I don't have any business really touching rask on my readslist.

Okay I came to the conclusion because if you click on the profile link of Rask and you view what is called "their activity" it shows Winston's posts there for some reason.

Carry on :curtain:

Reading some Cape and found these amusing gems. I know derping can be faked but lmao. I think that's a good point for him (for Cuth and Zack too but it's not like if I have doubts about them rn)

[katze]

Ender - I kind of want to just yolo Cuth's read and take ender off the table? But man if anyone fits the mold of a wolf who got deflated by the EoD1/wolf bomb shot... Their activity and presence is like night and day, D1 vs. now. And yeah I know he said he had a migraine, that's totally legit and not something I"m pushing on at all. Just... overall, holistic I mean I have the thought, it's there, I'm not gonna not mention it. They were *really* pushing for me at EoD1. Like the most vocal by far. And they've kind of walked that back toDay in a way that feels to me like they're kind of reading the tea leaves and not like, a genuine flip for reasons that are transparent and I can actually follow. Fuck you know despite all of that my gut says town. Idk what to tell you. I think I always need to kill this slot in my PoE but my heart says it's flipping v. It is what it is.

[...]

Monte >> Katze >>>> HK = ender > cape > dobby >>> rask


squints harder

[nebjiamn]

squint
https://i.imgur.com/lAPW5Sq.gif

[katze]

i kinda sorta feel like newcomb knows that chopping monte/me/blade/HK doesnt end the game

[Montmorency]

i kinda sorta feel like newcomb knows that chopping monte/me/blade/HK doesnt end the game

Kill it with fire?

[katze]

Kill it with fire?

thinking about it, kind of want a sanity check because there's definitely want "i want newcomb to be a wolf" in my head somewhere

also trying to keep myself unbiased tbh



https://i.imgur.com/lAPW5Sq.gif

https://i.imgur.com/lAPW5Sq.gif

[Montmorency]

I reiterate that there is always at least 1 scum in NC/nebbie/cape. That is a guarantee.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Montmorency 4 (Cape90, Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 2 (nebjiamn, Sleep)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
Dobby 1 (EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Newcomb 1 (Montmorency)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)

2065

yes this is the same as the last tally

[Cape90]

Reading some Cape and found these amusing gems. I know derping can be faked but lmao. I think that's a good point for him (for Cuth and Zack too but it's not like if I have doubts about them rn)

Rask is likely town anyways imo so I don't really see the point you are making here about me derping

Like unless Rask is wolf, this doesn't mean much of anything.

And even if Rask is wolf, that shouldn't clear me as the whole thing will just be WIFOMED to heck and back

[Cape90]

i kinda sorta feel like newcomb knows that chopping monte/me/blade/HK doesnt end the game

What makes you think this.

Never chop HK

[Cape90]

sorry I am back reading and reading live too, and trying to get myself understood despite the amount of typos.

"He switched to Dobby once Dolby flipped red" was what I wanted to type (check out HK's ISO, it's pretty clear).

oh

thanks!

[Cape90]

I think this post points towards bennah not being with ladd. First, the way he kind of lightly shades ladd and then moves onto the meat of the post feels a bit.. drive by-y for a partner? Like if he's with ladd there there's just a touch more oomph to it, a touch more awareness. And then second, the way he's disagreeing with ladd's stuff about ender being wolfy, but then the meat of his post is calling ender wolfy for different reasons. That kind of nuance especially in early game would surprise me if w/w - like, calling your partner's take bad but then also giving the same take for different reasons.

Are you still thinking along these lines when it comes to Ender?

[nebjiamn]

I reiterate that there is always at least 1 scum in NC/nebbie/cape. That is a guarantee.
don't thik i'd guarantee it but i'd feel good rolling the dice knowing my alignment


:curtain:

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Cape

I like this more than I like Monty. Sorry Zack.

[Cape90]

God I know I'm gonna regret this but I'm morbidly curious.

In the world where I'm a wolf, the reason for me faking getting you and sleep mixed up would be....?

I feel like this is a really weak point against Ender's case here

[Raskolnikov]

Rask is likely town anyways imo so I don't really see the point you are making here about me derping

Like unless Rask is wolf, this doesn't mean much of anything.

And even if Rask is wolf, that shouldn't clear me as the whole thing will just be WIFOMED to heck and back

lol. I know people that talk about themself at the third person, but this is a first for me :bow:

and to be serious: this doesn't mean much? you don't look aware of your thread position rn. It's Monty or you pretty much. so I am quickly reading both of you to choose.

[katze]

I reiterate that there is always at least 1 scum in NC/nebbie/cape. That is a guarantee.

why do you think this again?


What makes you think this.

Never chop HK

squinting at his readlist/explanations

ender:


"I kind of want to just yolo Cuth's read and take ender off the table?"


"Fuck you know despite all of that my gut says town. Idk what to tell you. I think I always need to kill this slot in my PoE but my heart says it's flipping v. It is what it is"

HK:


"He's playing like... a bit removed from the thread, but I believe he cares about the things he's posting about. I also think he hasn't really changed tonally from before EoD/dolby dying, to after it, which like. If he were a wolf I feel like some of that body blow would leak through into the posting, since his thread position wouldn't be awesome. At the end of the day I wouldn't be like, *surprised* if he were a wolf, since the overall top down level of like, is he engaged with the game the same way bennah's engaged with the game? No, not really. But yeah gun to my head, villager."

cape:


"I think it's gonna be hard to not PoE this slot but we really should clear it if we can, because if cape's v that's like always always a misyeet wolves need. I can't like, do that, not now, but I do want to try to get there if it's possible."



Monte >> Katze>>>> HK = ender > cape > dobby >>> rask

i could probably nitpick at it a bit more, but i don't understand the difference between "i want to solve cape" and "hk/ender are probably villagers but kill them" - i say this as someone who has said multiple times that i don't realllly want to kill you yet because i think i can solve you! what you've given isn't great! but i know for a fact newcomb doesn't know your play as well as i do so that doesn't matter, what's the difference?

[EnderWiggin]

God there's part of me that is reading some of the newer posts and has the bone of "I wanna be right on my D1 case" vibrating.

(Partially because then I would've had a godlike D1 where I was choosing between multiple wolves and just didn't get my one over.)

[hollowkatt]

look what page we're on

hehenice

obvs town is obvspeepee poopoo

[Visor]

2078

Players Votes

Montmorency 4 (Cape90, Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Newcomb 1 (Montmorency)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)

[Cape90]

This reminds me, I want to go look at dobby telling the sorc to target me. I had like... feelings about it. I'm not entirely sure "target newcomb because if he's a wolf cool if he's town he'll make a good decision" is entirely something I believe a villager really thought, but... maybe.

Vote: Newcomb

I honestly feel like joining this and providing a juicy counterwagon, now I wanna compare Mont since I know it's kinda easy to sus them for their latest posting musings which I also found quite wolfy and made me wanna plant.

But I am starting to think this is a good push and I wanna revisit some of Mont's walls

[hollowkatt]

i kinda sorta feel like newcomb knows that chopping monte/me/blade/HK doesnt end the game

all jokes aside how tf are you on that list?

[Raskolnikov]

don't thik i'd guarantee it but i'd feel good rolling the dice knowing my alignment


:curtain:

tbh this feels like Monty bussing one of NC/Cape lol

[Cape90]

I think I like katze's post responding to me and think it makes a good point

[hollowkatt]

Vote: Cape

I like this more than I like Monty. Sorry Zack.

I think I like cape for town too

[Montmorency]

I have my chips (and chips). It's crunch time.

Katze, can you find a team that doesn't include at least one of NC/neb/cape - nor me? The only one I can is Cuth-Rask and that's pretty wild. So just the positioning is logical.

[katze]

all jokes aside how tf are you on that list?

#TheFear

seriously it's pretty annoying because half of why zack is calling me mafia is because i... correctly reevaluated a wolf slot i townread for bad reasons due to clears telling me the read was bad? because i'm going to shield monstr/dolby over ladd?

but it is what it is

[Montmorency]

Vote: Newcomb

I honestly feel like joining this and providing a juicy counterwagon, now I wanna compare Mont since I know it's kinda easy to sus them for their latest posting musings which I also found quite wolfy and made me wanna plant.

But I am starting to think this is a good push and I wanna revisit some of Mont's walls

Potentially game-winning post.


tbh this feels like Monty bussing one of NC/Cape lol

Then help me bus, chicken.

[Cape90]

Then let's mason. I'm telling you, we need to agree on Sunbae vesting me tonight. It's in your best interest. Think about it.

Dobby
Sunbae
If NC is scum, mafia exchange both Zack and Sunbae for him. Too risky. And if he's town, then you lose his apparently-prodigious town-presence. Best to give it to Zack, who dies eventually - but then you realize Zack dies tonight if there's any hint of him grabbing the vest.

So I'm the only sensible option.


I already think this is really quite villagery

(hey cape read the post below this 1978)

okay me reminding myself

[Visor]

Players Votes

Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 2 (Montmorency, Cape90)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)

2089

[Raskolnikov]

Potentially game-winning post.



Then help me bus, chicken.

I am considering it Monty.

[EnderWiggin]

Ender: "After long debate and strenuous thought, I think Newcomb might actually be town."

Also Ender:
Vote: Newcomb

[Cape90]

Alright here's where I'm at.

2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
9. EnderWiggin
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

2 wolves in 10 names. Start taking people off the list.

Bennah and cuth are my first cuts (i.e. strongest townreads). With bennah, it's that his approach to me has felt the most genuine out of anyone ITT. For cuth, it's that of the ladd voters he's the one where like... I know Cuth as a player pretty well, I think? I don't know monte or rask so I don't really have a mental map of what they would or wouldn't do. But in that situation if Cuth's partnered with ladd I just really don't believe Cuth as a player puts that vote down. Not with the speed that it happened. He just doesn't strike me as that... ruthless is maybe the wrong word. Mercurial?

I think I'm also just gonna let jesus take the wheel and take sleep off the list. This is mostly just a thread flow / thread state thing, and an overall body of work thing.


I will take on this beast piece by piece

I don't think the case for benneh or cuth being really strong town here actually but sort of fine

my issue lies in the part of the sleep jesus taking the wheel thing that just is a read on sleep that really extremely bothers me

[EnderWiggin]

Ehhhhhhh actually fuck

[katze]

Ender: "After long debate and strenuous thought, I think Newcomb might actually be town."

Also Ender:
Vote: Newcomb

i was just thinking "man the newcomb wagon composition is not enthusing though" and this didn't help

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Cape

I still feel pretty good about my whole "Unnecessary action" read around Neb/Newcomb ><

[Sunbae]

I suppose now that I'm caught up it's time to make a decision huh

[Cape90]

Rask - I see Rask as kind of ... jumpy. Flitting around from topic to topic. Uneven engagement levels. Trying to track a single line of thought - like their read on me, is confusing. You go from like, naysaying Ender's wall on me, to saying they found zack/me villagery at SoD2, to saying that EoD1 they could have voted me, to going through and picking a bunch of kind of random stuff to shade me for. I think this actually feels kind of TWTBTWTBAW? Just like, the... unevenness of it, the messiness of it. I skimmed through this ISO kind of looking for reasons to call rask a wolf but I think gun to my head they're just a villager. It's also like... pretty hard to get away from the fact that they could have easily voted me EoD1 and swung it onto a villager instead of the wolf PR, so like... yeah. Think I gotta just take that one off the table.

I feel like this read does kinda stretch out and also, Newcomb like... knows it's the other way around, Rask swapped onto wolf pr there?

[EnderWiggin]

i was just thinking "man the newcomb wagon composition is not enthusing though" and this didn't help

Got a palm tree with that shade?

[Visor]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
Newcomb 2 (Montmorency, Cape90)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)

2098

[Sunbae]

I feel like this read does kinda stretch out and also, Newcomb like... knows it's the other way around, Rask swapped onto wolf pr there?

He's saying Rask could have voted him (a villager in this pov) instead of the wolf PR

[katze]

I suppose now that I'm caught up it's time to make a decision huh

might just give you my vote tbh?


Got a palm tree with that shade?

florida has plenty so yes, actually

[Cape90]

Vote: Montmorency

I kinda don't have a lot of time to mull over everything

but I have the feeling that if Newcomb is a wolf, they created some very strange reasons to both townread and wolfread people that feels less cut and dry then... actually most of everyone in the game which does show a certain level of foresight on their end. Even if I feel like some of the content has been a little wobbly from that wall

[Cape90]

He's saying Rask could have voted him (a villager in this pov) instead of the wolf PR

Oh okay okay, pardon me

[Sleep]

i finished dinner, perfect time for me get back for EoD and thro it up from anxiety


(disclaimer: this is a joke, do not take it seriously)

[Montmorency]

FYI, I will self-pres at :00 if necessary.

[hollowkatt]

Players Votes

Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 2 (Montmorency, Cape90)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)

2089

what does it mean that the top two wagons are voting for the third highest wagon

[Cape90]

it looks like the two ~consensus (given this point in the game) reads you list are ladd/sunbae v?

second seems dubious given that zack and others have suspected him

wrt ladd do you think your issues could be a result of him latching onto a specific "tell" and anchoring onto it and then your automatically suspecting him because he's pressuring you for suspect reasons? what do you think about his content outside of his push on you? do you think it's meaningful that a lot of people are v-reading him?

how do you feel about the larger-scale pushes on sunbae in the context of your main issue being that particular thing he said

why do you think him walking that back is something he'd be more likely to do as a wolf than as a villager? what are some reasons you think he could have done that there as town?

to this post Mont said (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829362&viewfull=1#post2053829362)


Have to admit, #402 was scary but Cuth sounds more like Cuth lately.

which I feel like is worth noting

[Raskolnikov]

what does it mean that the top two wagons are voting for the third highest wagon

they are both wolf or both town?

[Raskolnikov]

which I am not discounting tbh. I expected a more active EOD.

[Montmorency]

to this post Mont said (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829362&viewfull=1#post2053829362)



which I feel like is worth noting

Yes, thank you. Cuth just posted about this a couple pages back (his D1 approach, not me).

[katze]

what does it mean that the top two wagons are voting for the third highest wagon

probably not too much for about 5 more minutes give or take

[Cape90]

Don't think I won't call this bluff at some point.

I feel like you have been soft defending me

any reasons really behind this?

I feel like you have barely engaged with my content

[katze]

vote: Newcomb

probably still going to give sunbae my vote but meh

[Montmorency]

I feel like you have been soft defending me

any reasons really behind this?

I feel like you have barely engaged with my content

Not a defense, I was threatening to vote you there.

IIRC the only comment I've made about you is that you were trending down based on others' analysis of you.

[hollowkatt]

they are both wolf or both town?

I looked to see if they'd been circling each other longer than just this brief period and no, they haven't, which would be indicative that they're both town, not both wolves and not one wolf one town.

I think we're staring down T/T wagons

[Visor]

2113

Players Votes

Montmorency 4 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
Newcomb 2 (Montmorency, katze)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)

[Cape90]

I want to counterwagon onto someone

I feel like Dolby has interacted with Mont in a way to where Dolby seemed to be singling them out

[katze]

I looked to see if they'd been circling each other longer than just this brief period and no, they haven't, which would be indicative that they're both town, not both wolves and not one wolf one town.

I think we're staring down T/T wagons

probably not W/W i agree

not too sure if it discounts W/V? can you explain that to me a bit if you have time

[Cape90]

vote: Newcomb

probably still going to give sunbae my vote but meh

real quick take on Mont right now?

[Montmorency]

The time is coming where I won't be scanning commentary, only votes, so if someone wants me to respond to anything you have about a minute left.

[Raskolnikov]

Yes, thank you. Cuth just posted about this a couple pages back (his D1 approach, not me).

oh you got me to remember cuth/monstr stuff I was talking at EOD1. I guess I will look again l8r (I am not voting Cuth toDay)

[katze]

real quick take on Mont right now?

gth V but in my PoE

people i townread more/the clears seem to disagree with the read enough that i won't stop the wagon - i feel good enough about my core to not do so - but it's not my preferred one

[Cape90]

POE of Ender/Newcomb/Mont/katze probably could win the game?

I am so mixed on katze since I know they can play well

[katze]

HK i don't think you should be voting cuth, he's not dying today and is also v likely a villager anyway

[Sleep]

sunbaeeeeeee

[katze]

POE of Ender/Newcomb/Mont/katze probably could win the game?

I am so mixed on katze since I know they can play well

if you know i can play well and are scumreading me it means im town by virtue of not being townie

if you know i can play well and are townreading me but scared because i can play well then you're townreading me therefore im town

gottem

[hollowkatt]

probably not W/W i agree

not too sure if it discounts W/V? can you explain that to me a bit if you have time

Neither of them feel like a wolf trying to shadow/take advantage of the other in terms of who's being pushed or chopped.

[Cape90]

Vote: Newcomb

fine

if I die, I think Ender should be at least double checked, like where they at?

[Sunbae]

vote: enderwiggin

[hollowkatt]

HK i don't think you should be voting cuth, he's not dying today and is also v likely a villager anyway

I think he's not v but sure
let it rand
vote: newcomb

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Newcomb

fine

if I die, I think Ender should be at least double checked, like where they at?

Where I'm at is in thread.

[Cape90]

this wagon formation always gets a wolf

[Sunbae]

I'm 100% vesting dobby

[Visor]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, hollowkatt, katze, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)


tally correct, ordering isnt

[EnderWiggin]

Really Sunbae? : <

[Sunbae]

If you kill newcomb and he flips v, punt ender into the sun for their approach to newcomb today

[Cape90]

i kinda dont want that vest

which means its probably good lol

[hollowkatt]

peepee poopoo

[Sleep]

i have cold feet

gl

[Sunbae]

if you kill newcomb and he flips w then priase ender ender goat

[katze]

if you kill newcomb and he flips w then priase ender ender goat

praise katze too ldo

[Montmorency]

I m tempted to unvote

[katze]

ily sunbae

i dont want rand or id vote ender

[Newcomb]

Players Votes

Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, hollowkatt, katze, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)


tally correct, ordering isnt

if I die here my legacy is to kill ender then everyone on my wagon

Cheers, if this is it I had fun despite some really wack reasoning w/r/t me

[Visor]

:01 hit

STOP POSTING DAY IS OVER.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, katze, Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)


I believe this is the correct tally.

10 minutes for corrections.

[Visor]

Newcomb has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.

24 hours for night, night orders due before 7pm on the 26th American Time.

Alive: (12/17)
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead: (5/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.

[Visor]

As a nice quality of life update, I've put links to the updates in the OP for reference.

[Visor]

Zack has been killed. They were the Town Backup.

48 hours for day, day ends 8pm 28th of April, American eastern time.

Alive: (11/17)
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead: (6/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.
8. Csargo, Vanilla Town, detonated D2.
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1, Mafia Goon, exploded D2.
7. Newcomb, Vanilla Town, died D2.
1. zack, Town Backup, killed N2.

IT IS DAY YOU MAY POST

[Dobby]

1) what the fuck

2) wheres my vest :(

3) i didnt read because i expected vest and that id get to just sheep someone into the afterlife and now im


not prepared at all

[Dobby]

can i also say lol you killed newcomb or is that rude

there were so many good options and now we'll never know

[Sunbae]

I was never vesting you dobby. I was trying to goad the wolves into killing you to prevent a kill. Sorry buddy.

[Sunbae]

vote: mont

[Dobby]

okay that was a bit overdramatic but weh


i really wanted that vest :( i didnt read literally anything and now i have to put in work and like, try to be useful but imma se if i have energy, i think whetehr i put 300% of my energy into this and read everything and analyze, or if i put like 40% into it, the outcome will not be very different so my goal is to not threadcamp and like, relax a bit. it'd be nice to have a mafia game like that at some point in life.,

Sunbae im disaPPOINT

i dont get why zack is the nk though but thats prolly wifomy to speculate in, and they're both basically ic's anyway right

i dont think it's got to do with reads. maybe like, postcount? :P

[hollowkatt]

can i also say lol you killed newcomb or is that rude

there were so many good options and now we'll never know

nah, not rude.

[Dobby]

I was never vesting you dobby. I was trying to goad the wolves into killing you to prevent a kill. Sorry buddy.

there it is, i gave you my heart again and you ate it :shame:

[Sunbae]

there it is, i gave you my heart again and you ate it :shame:

You're stuck with me in a werewolf game for another day

[hollowkatt]

okay that was a bit overdramatic but weh


i really wanted that vest :( i didnt read literally anything and now i have to put in work and like, try to be useful but imma se if i have energy, i think whetehr i put 300% of my energy into this and read everything and analyze, or if i put like 40% into it, the outcome will not be very different so my goal is to not threadcamp and like, relax a bit. it'd be nice to have a mafia game like that at some point in life.,

Sunbae im disaPPOINT

i dont get why zack is the nk though but thats prolly wifomy to speculate in, and they're both basically ic's anyway right

i dont think it's got to do with reads. maybe like, postcount? :P

I think killing the claimed backup instead of the claimed PR indicates it's reads/force of will related more than anything else

[Montmorency]

I blame Cape for creating momentum, it should have come to down to a Tdome between us. :P

Hopefully Zack wasn't vested, and Mafia killed him because they were brought to believe he would be vested.

Because there are only two mafia the d2 votecounts are not worth as much as usual until another is flipped; many bussing or distancing combinations become plausible under these conditions.

The game can be divided into 5 analytical pairs:

Cuth/Rask: ladd wagon; if both are scum it will be obvious by LYLO, and if one is scum it should still be solvable

HK/Sleep: Solid play; broadly-comfortable positioning

Dobby/Monty: Exist

Katze/Ender: Solid play but no longer shielded by the unresolved Newcomb slot

Nebbie/Cape: D2 pair

The only players I toneread harshly are Nebbie and Rask, so I have no choice but to stick to my POE. If you want to oust Ender or something I can't stop you.



I reiterate that there is always at least 1 scum in NC/nebbie/cape. That is a guarantee.
don't thik i'd guarantee it but i'd feel good rolling the dice knowing my alignment


:curtain:

Isn't it smug soft-TMI? He knows he's untouchable until LYLO. :shrug:



There is however a strong instinct for a mafia pair to split up in voting in that EOD2 situation, so Cape-katze, Cape-HK, katze-HK, nebbie-Ender, nebbie-Sleep, and Sleep-Ender ought to be ruled out.

Crudely speaking, brute force inside:

katze-Cuth
katze-Rask
katze-nebbie
katze-Sleep
katze-Dobby
katze-Ender
HK-Cuth
HK-Rask
HK-nebbie
HK-Sleep
HK-Ender
HK-Dobby
Cape-Cuth
Cape-Rask
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Sleep
Cape-Ender
Cape-Dobby
Nebbie-Cuth
Nebbie-Rask
Nebbie-Dobby
Sleep-Cuth
Sleep-Rask
Sleep-Dobby
Ender-Cuth
Ender-Rask
Ender-Dobby
Cuth-Rask
Cuth-Dobby
Rask-Dobby


But for today, exclude Cuth/Rask/Sleep/HK/Dobby, and Cape-HK or Nebbie-Dobby for D1 end votes. Leaving:

katze-nebbie
katze-Ender
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Ender

Nebbie>Ender

I think I've given all I can for added value.

https://i.imgur.com/eCO7jzM.jpg

[Sunbae]

Let's not speculate on why very good player claimed pr zack was killed first. It's entirely reasonable. We can start speculating if it happens again.

[Sunbae]

I am pretty much going to kill mont, cape, and katze in order unless something drastically changes. this is to honor newcombs final wishes. I am going mont first to honor Zack's. If this is not the answer then best of luck friendos.

[Montmorency]

I was never vesting you dobby. I was trying to goad the wolves into killing you to prevent a kill. Sorry buddy.

I was trying to get you to vest Zack, though I hope I was unsuccessful now.


vote: mont

You didn't vest Zack, right?


I think killing the claimed backup instead of the claimed PR indicates it's reads/force of will related more than anything else

Aren't Sunbae's reads almost identical to Zack's?

[hollowkatt]

why on earth would you vest the claimed backup monte?

[Sunbae]

Nah, the big read difference between me and zack was zack was suspicious of you and dobby while i was suspicious of ender, hk, and katze

[hollowkatt]

I was trying to get you to vest Zack, though I hope I was unsuccessful now.



You didn't vest Zack, right?



Aren't Sunbae's reads almost identical to Zack's?

I have no idea

[Cape90]

Well, I guess I have the vest.

Who should I boom?

[Dobby]

You're stuck with me in a werewolf game for another day

top 10 anime betrayals i cant get over it


is it even a real thought that youd think id be killed over two IC's because mafia would believe id target the correct wolf with my vest because

i'm not famous for having correct reads and... 2 ic's vs me?


i mean its a cool play i guess but i was the one that got played :shame::shame::shame::shame:

okay im over it

[Raskolnikov]

Sup friendos. 2 am here so I am around for some minutes only

monty looks worse from newcomb's flip

I wanna bomb into Dobby/katze/Cape

I need to reread Ender.

vote: MontyFlying Circus

[Montmorency]

why on earth would you vest the claimed backup monte?

Reverse psychology.


Nah, the big read difference between me and zack was zack was suspicious of you and dobby while i was suspicious of ender, hk, and katze

Zack wanted ender dead above all.

[Cape90]

I was trying to get you to vest Zack, though I hope I was unsuccessful now.


why is this comment like really towny to me? :hide: this is my trying to hide from truth

[Sunbae]

Ender is already dead don't bother reading them

[Raskolnikov]

I am pretty much going to kill mont, cape, and katze in order unless something drastically changes. this is to honor newcombs final wishes. I am going mont first to honor Zack's. If this is not the answer then best of luck friendos.

ok I can go to sleep, the job will be done :bow:

[Raskolnikov]

Ender is already dead don't bother reading them

ooh, good job. You are a life saver

[Montmorency]

Sup friendos. 2 am here so I am around for some minutes only

monty looks worse from newcomb's flip

I wanna bomb into Dobby/katze/Cape

I need to reread Ender.

vote: MontyFlying Circus

ok I can go to sleep, the job will be done :bow:

https://i.imgur.com/ik3opIn.jpg

[Dobby]

I think killing the claimed backup instead of the claimed PR indicates it's reads/force of will related more than anything else

uh i think its either one or the other, and specifically in this case doesnt make sense to be because of reads, because if it was because of reads they'd channel the wifom and like, do you think sunbae has better reads than zack therefore zack died so ppl would look into zacks reads, or because zacks reads were better than sunbaes so they left sunbae alive so they could push the wrong people?

no, reads is wifomy, if there actually IS a reason, its because of postcount and smth like that

[Sunbae]

top 10 anime betrayals i cant get over it


is it even a real thought that youd think id be killed over two IC's because mafia would believe id target the correct wolf with my vest because

i'm not famous for having correct reads and... 2 ic's vs me?


i mean its a cool play i guess but i was the one that got played :shame::shame::shame::shame:

okay im over it

Idk, it's non zero and has zero downside I think.

[Montmorency]

About my vest gambit, the ground level reasoning was always that Zack vigs real good, just so you understand.

[Sunbae]

As usual, I will be around mostly during the overnight phase.

gonna just let people roll in and do their own thing for a while and see where I'm at.

[Raskolnikov]

top 10 anime betrayals i cant get over it


is it even a real thought that youd think id be killed over two IC's because mafia would believe id target the correct wolf with my vest because

i'm not famous for having correct reads and... 2 ic's vs me?


i mean its a cool play i guess but i was the one that got played :shame::shame::shame::shame:

okay im over it

get over it NOW or I will consider it as you outing wolf. (it sounds rude but it's not btw. I love you Dobby)

[Sleep]

sorry Newcomb

[Dobby]

I blame Cape for creating momentum, it should have come to down to a Tdome between us. :P

Hopefully Zack wasn't vested, and Mafia killed him because they were brought to believe he would be vested.

Because there are only two mafia the d2 votecounts are not worth as much as usual until another is flipped; many bussing or distancing combinations become plausible under these conditions.

The game can be divided into 5 analytical pairs:

Cuth/Rask: ladd wagon; if both are scum it will be obvious by LYLO, and if one is scum it should still be solvable

HK/Sleep: Solid play; broadly-comfortable positioning

Dobby/Monty: Exist

Katze/Ender: Solid play but no longer shielded by the unresolved Newcomb slot

Nebbie/Cape: D2 pair

The only players I toneread harshly are Nebbie and Rask, so I have no choice but to stick to my POE. If you want to oust Ender or something I can't stop you.



Isn't it smug soft-TMI? He knows he's untouchable until LYLO. :shrug:



There is however a strong instinct for a mafia pair to split up in voting in that EOD2 situation, so Cape-katze, Cape-HK, katze-HK, nebbie-Ender, nebbie-Sleep, and Sleep-Ender ought to be ruled out.

Crudely speaking, brute force inside:

katze-Cuth
katze-Rask
katze-nebbie
katze-Sleep
katze-Dobby
katze-Ender
HK-Cuth
HK-Rask
HK-nebbie
HK-Sleep
HK-Ender
HK-Dobby
Cape-Cuth
Cape-Rask
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Sleep
Cape-Ender
Cape-Dobby
Nebbie-Cuth
Nebbie-Rask
Nebbie-Dobby
Sleep-Cuth
Sleep-Rask
Sleep-Dobby
Ender-Cuth
Ender-Rask
Ender-Dobby
Cuth-Rask
Cuth-Dobby
Rask-Dobby


But for today, exclude Cuth/Rask/Sleep/HK/Dobby, and Cape-HK or Nebbie-Dobby for D1 end votes. Leaving:

katze-nebbie
katze-Ender
Cape-nebbie
Cape-Ender

Nebbie>Ender

I think I've given all I can for added value.

https://i.imgur.com/eCO7jzM.jpg

i dont understand why youre excluding me there

and uh a few of those p- you know what im just gonna go next

[Dobby]

Let's not speculate on why very good player claimed pr zack was killed first. It's entirely reasonable. We can start speculating if it happens again.

reading montys post..... you ddint give zack the vest right?

[nebjiamn]

Howdy

Not gonna claim the newc kill was terrible but still upset we did that over something more reasonable. I came around to him being maaaaybe v and I feel like others on the wagon that aren?t wolves should have been able to get there in terms of better options being available? but whatever

Im pretty over monts terrible read on me and coupled with Zack dying I don?t care if we blast him into orbit

[Sleep]

my only takeaway from EOD is that the only reason a bw went through on town against the reads of the town PRs is that wolves found it convenient. strongly doubt all newc voters are town.

[Montmorency]

reading montys post..... you ddint give zack the vest right?

I think she claims ender.

[Dobby]

I am pretty much going to kill mont, cape, and katze in order unless something drastically changes. this is to honor newcombs final wishes. I am going mont first to honor Zack's. If this is not the answer then best of luck friendos.

but but but wifom smth smth maybe thats why zack died


what about ender?

[Sleep]

the entire reason i got cold feet from my earlier read was the way it seemed to form

[Sunbae]

Howdy

Not gonna claim the newc kill was terrible but still upset we did that over something more reasonable. I came around to him being maaaaybe v and I feel like others on the wagon that aren?t wolves should have been able to get there in terms of better options being available? but whatever

Im pretty over monts terrible read on me and coupled with Zack dying I don?t care if we blast him into orbit

I should have voted Mont one way or another yesterday. I decided newcomb was villa and that I thought Ender was a wolf due to it for the hard pressing Newc over Ladd d1, moving Newc up in villa lists once people were clearing him yesterday, and then moving him back down once he became viable again. So I voted ender. But there wasn't enough time really for people to digest that and move I guess so I ended up on a vanity wagon and newcomb died. I was pretty annoyed with myself and still am.

[hollowkatt]

Sup friendos. 2 am here so I am around for some minutes only

monty looks worse from newcomb's flip

I wanna bomb into Dobby/katze/Cape

I need to reread Ender.

vote: MontyFlying Circus

we're not bombing dobby

[nebjiamn]

M big post from yesterday was built on the assumption that my world views revolves around newc maybe being v and with that now confirmed I’m pretty steadfast in where I ended up re: cape/ended having one and me heavily leaning cape

and tbh idk if monts the other or not but I don’t think his reads are actually progressing so it’s more idc if he dies

[Sleep]

the entire reason i got cold feet from my earlier read was the way it seemed to form

the wagon that is

[EnderWiggin]

I would like to thank my family. I couldn't have got here without them.

[Dobby]

Idk, it's non zero and has zero downside I think.

except for my FEEEEEEELS sunbae, not a toy!!!

love u

[EnderWiggin]

I'd also like to thank my community, for teaching me how to play werewolf. Love you guys.

[Dobby]

get over it NOW or I will consider it as you outing wolf. (it sounds rude but it's not btw. I love you Dobby)

listen me and sunbae have history, imma go through my classic 50 stages of grief and then ill move on

[nebjiamn]

I should have voted Mont one way or another yesterday. I decided newcomb was villa and that I thought Ender was a wolf due to it for the hard pressing Newc over Ladd d1, moving Newc up in villa lists once people were clearing him yesterday, and then moving him back down once he became viable again. So I voted ender. But there wasn't enough time really for people to digest that and move I guess so I ended up on a vanity wagon and newcomb died. I was pretty annoyed with myself and still am.
I was busy doing other things and looked up at :00

nit sure I even change my vote but still upset with myself for basically missing all of eod

[Montmorency]

M big post from yesterday was built on the assumption that my world views revolves around newc maybe being v and with that now confirmed I?m pretty steadfast in where I ended up re: cape/ended having one and me heavily leaning cape

and tbh idk if monts the other or not but I don?t think his reads are actually progressing so it?s more idc if he dies

Listen, if you are town it's basically guaranteed at least one of Cuth/Rask is scum.

[Sunbae]

Listen, if you are town it's basically guaranteed at least one of Cuth/Rask is scum.

Can you elaborate here please? I'm not sure I follow

[EnderWiggin]

Special shoutout to Sunbae, who gave me this lovely studded yellow vest. The beeping sound is an aesthetic choice I'm told.

[nebjiamn]

Oh I?m guessing ended is the bomb and is lolcatting?

or am I misreading this

[Sunbae]

Special shoutout to Sunbae, who gave me this lovely studded yellow vest. The beeping sound is an aesthetic choice I'm told.

I made it myself!
It has pockets!

[Dobby]

Special shoutout to Sunbae, who gave me this lovely studded yellow vest. The beeping sound is an aesthetic choice I'm told.

fuck yeah i was right on something in a towngame for the furst time



right?

[nebjiamn]

Might clear cape then? Hmm

wp blade

[katze]

hi im playing minecraft but i saw it was past 8

eod wagons yesterday were unideal for me because i wanted to sheep sunbae if it was on someone in my poe and then me doing that would have put it to a 4 way rand so like

idk. i probably still should have recognized the wagon purity and voted onto monty. got hit with a brick when i saw the flip.

sorry newc.

will be back

[Raskolnikov]

I remember HK hinting at Cape/Monty being vv wagons just before the NEwcomb wagon took off. I was part of that talk but I am wondering if I got played here. Anyway, that's thoughts for later days if game doesn't end before I guess.

[nebjiamn]

Rip sunbae

guessing you die in the next few and I have to get to dinner with the fam

love u bud

[EnderWiggin]

I made it myself!
It has pockets!

Oh my god! IT has POCKETS!

[hollowkatt]

newcomb going over was my fault basically. soz

[katze]

Oh I?m guessing ended is the bomb and is lolcatting?

or am I misreading this

he reacted similarly to getting a bomb in the sorc17 i hosted on MU

so he's probably a villager again

[katze]

lucky bastard got the vest twice

smfh i wanted it

[Sunbae]

Oh my god! IT has POCKETS!

If wolf, gg! Fooled me really well for a long time!
If villager, gg! Trust you to make a good kill and sorry, had to be done at this point!
Regardless, hope we get to game more soon! You're really fun

[Raskolnikov]

GG Ender.

Bomb Monty or katze. tyvm

[Dobby]

he reacted similarly to getting a bomb in the sorc17 i hosted on MU

so he's probably a villager again

i had planned to troll thread for a bit and say i was really considering zack to be a deep wolf and was gonna bomb him

but uh, i didnt get the vest so my joke also died

[EnderWiggin]

And now, on to the next special.

This is called "Dancing with the Stars".

In this segment I will take votes on the best dancer for me to dance with. I'm told our dance will literally end in the stars.

Not sure if the hosts were being literal or metaphorical, but I'm sure it would be amazing either way!

[katze]

prob just blow up monty

out for real (laugh at chloe for crashing the MC server)

[hollowkatt]

gg ender plx be town so I don't look dumb for not trying harder to kill you D1

[Dobby]

And now, on to the next special.

This is called "Dancing with the Stars".

In this segment I will take votes on the best dancer for me to dance with. I'm told our dance will literally end in the stars.

Not sure if the hosts were being literal or metaphorical, but I'm sure it would be amazing either way!

can oyu just say if youre town or not pleaws

[Montmorency]

Can you elaborate here please? I'm not sure I follow


Players Votes

Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1062

If neb town, then Cuth and/or Rask were under threat and bussed ladd toward the end.


Oh I?m guessing ended is the bomb and is lolcatting?

or am I misreading this

Interesting catch, but yes, impact sounds imminent.

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly, though, the lineup is dreadful. Most of y'all have two left feet.

If we REALLY want to blow everyone away, we need to...

Oh wait I'm told that literally all I need to do is hold them and it works.

Apparently dancing has gone downhill since I was young.

[Sunbae]

Thx mont. So you think it was a "oops im going down let me try to distance" thing and it just took off?

[Sleep]

Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, katze, Cape90, hollowkatt)

should ~always flip these names until we find the wolf in em

[Raskolnikov]

And now, on to the next special.

This is called "Dancing with the Stars".

In this segment I will take votes on the best dancer for me to dance with. I'm told our dance will literally end in the stars.

Not sure if the hosts were being literal or metaphorical, but I'm sure it would be amazing either way!

I want cat gifs Blade. pls

fwiw you are a lucky bastard. I never got to lolcat like this. I have to do it after villa rands which makes some part of these games, interesting

[Raskolnikov]

should ~always flip these names until we find the wolf in em

pretty much

[Sunbae]

Honestly, though, the lineup is dreadful. Most of y'all have two left feet.

If we REALLY want to blow everyone away, we need to...

Oh wait I'm told that literally all I need to do is hold them and it works.

Apparently dancing has gone downhill since I was young.

live look in at me dancing

https://media4.giphy.com/media/GeimqsH0TLDt4tScGw/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e471skuuihdgqkto374xlong3pkckz6kkmbseyoij5c&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Sleep]

just for the sake of respecting the clears i think we need to do monty

[Raskolnikov]

If neb town, then Cuth and/or Rask were under threat and bussed ladd toward the end.



Interesting catch, but yes, impact sounds imminent.

lmao.

[Dobby]

is ender gonna drag this out for 36 hours

[Raskolnikov]

just for the sake of respecting the clears i think we need to do monty

yeah, please join Sleep!

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly haven't the vest is a freeing experience. I can post whatever the fuck I want to post and no one can do anything about it until I feel like I have enough to press red buttons.

Actually they could vote me but lol.

ALSO Sunbae, I kinda wanted to not die but also thank you because I had a champs game on rn as well and hadn't expected to live so long in this game lmao.

[Sunbae]

me: wolf reading newc for a majority of the day
also me: waiting for newc to drop his fire reads list in the next 10 mins so i can sheep and go to costco


​Vote: Cuthillius


Cuth can you tell me about your rask read or link me to where you discuss it?


i don't have much to discuss besides what i've already put in the thread otherwise i would


Honestly haven't the vest is a freeing experience. I can post whatever the fuck I want to post and no one can do anything about it until I feel like I have enough to press red buttons.

Actually they could vote me but lol.

ALSO Sunbae, I kinda wanted to not die but also thank you because I had a champs game on rn as well and hadn't expected to live so long in this game lmao.

I would be lying if I said this wasn't factored into my decision a little lol

not much! but a little!

[Sunbae]

oh no now everyone sees what ive been looking through :(

thanks multiquotes

[Sunbae]

So todays the day where we learn if the game is easy or hard. I'm a little nervous!

[Dobby]

oh no now everyone sees what ive been looking through :(

thanks multiquotes

eyes.jpg

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly haven't the vest is a freeing experience. I can post whatever the fuck I want to post and no one can do anything about it until I feel like I have enough to press red buttons.

Actually they could vote me but lol.

ALSO Sunbae, I kinda wanted to not die but also thank you because I had a champs game on rn as well and hadn't expected to live so long in this game lmao.

*Having the vest EBWOP

[Raskolnikov]

gg ender plx be town so I don't look dumb for not trying harder to kill you D1

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/b9/ec/a7b9eca631101d2561401a61afa6e2df.gif

(can't blame you though. I had him wolf D1 too and talked myself out of it)

[Sunbae]

Also, ender same thing i told csargo: if you're a villager just pretty much take your shot and dont feel obligated to sponge anything anybody else is saying. shooters shoot, glgl

[hollowkatt]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/b9/ec/a7b9eca631101d2561401a61afa6e2df.gif

(can't blame you though. I had him wolf D1 too and talked myself out of it)

why do I town read you b/c I'm starting to forget

[EnderWiggin]

Also, ender same thing i told csargo: if you're a villager just pretty much take your shot and dont feel obligated to sponge anything anybody else is saying. shooters shoot, glgl

<3

I think I already know who I'm bombing but I'm not yet ready to depart so I'm gonna chill and see if I change my mind.

[Raskolnikov]

oh no now everyone sees what ive been looking through :(

thanks multiquotes

u secretly sussing Benneh?

[Sunbae]

I think I'm gonna head out now. My goal today, should I be alive on my return, is to pretty much sort through everything again with the new information. Want to shore up reads on Sleep, Dobby, and Neb in particular as the game gets deeper. Just to make sure I'm not overlooking things.

later gators

[EnderWiggin]

Honest to god Multiquote is a little scuffed on this site.

[EnderWiggin]

I think I'm gonna head out now. My goal today, should I be alive on my return, is to pretty much sort through everything again with the new information. Want to shore up reads on Sleep, Dobby, and Neb in particular as the game gets deeper. Just to make sure I'm not overlooking things.

later gators

Don't worry I'll make things easier for you to sort.

[Raskolnikov]

why do I town read you b/c I'm starting to forget

lol me. I was about to reply to this question.

[Sleep]

however if monty v and cape w, i just want to say i told you so

i was tunneled on newc but looks like i was right on ender in spite of what zack was saying

[Sunbae]

Honest to god Multiquote is a little scuffed on this site.

It's way better than MU. They recently updated it so if you press a bunch of + and then quote a post the quoted post goes to the top and it's all out of whack. It frustrates me at least twice a game there lol

[Montmorency]

And now, on to the next special.

This is called "Dancing with the Stars".

In this segment I will take votes on the best dancer for me to dance with. I'm told our dance will literally end in the stars.

Not sure if the hosts were being literal or metaphorical, but I'm sure it would be amazing either way!

Do something — ah whatever.


Thx mont. So you think it was a "oops im going down let me try to distance" thing and it just took off?

If Cuth and/or Rask scum, the simple story is Winston + Cuth diversion bus on ladd, or Rask overvoting on ladd for last-minute cred. But it'll be obvious eventually what the case is.


should ~always flip these names until we find the wolf in em

Not enough rounds.


I want cat gifs Blade. pls

fwiw you are a lucky bastard. I never got to lolcat like this. I have to do it after villa rands which makes some part of these games, interesting

You're not a villa rand?


lmao.

https://i.imgur.com/ik3opIn.jpg

[Sunbae]

Don't worry I'll make things easier for you to sort.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/55itGuoAJiZEEen9gg/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47st4y0s296bvriq1i2fee0f551pe5ps6fxfg0mm1s&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Dobby]

I think I'm gonna head out now. My goal today, should I be alive on my return, is to pretty much sort through everything again with the new information. Want to shore up reads on Sleep, Dobby, and Neb in particular as the game gets deeper. Just to make sure I'm not overlooking things.

later gators

im nervous

but i also want to say that like


i dont want to read back all that ive missed


and letting me live to endgame is gonna suck because itll mean i have to and i dont want that for me


(im sorry for my posting style tonight its the middle of the night and ive had a... weird evening so im just in a memey mood sorry if someone is getting annoyed by only fluff posts)

[EnderWiggin]

It's way better than MU. They recently updated it so if you press a bunch of + and then quote a post the quoted post goes to the top and it's all out of whack. It frustrates me at least twice a game there lol

Just be a neanderthal like me and manually quote when you need.

[Sunbae]

you're good dobby! I thought you'd be happy to game more since you said you had more time on day 3. Sorry to have disappointed you