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i edited my user title so you can ctrl+F for it while rereading to get to my posts
if cape dies and game doesnt end (im like 99% sure it will end) then whoever is left can go into f3 clean slate and then everyone can be a suspect again and not have cape be a potential misyeet. having cape in f3 would.... be very scary for many reasons.
also apparently i never replied to this:
yeah, i understand that voting outside of cape and being wrong is significantly worse than voting cape and being wrong, with that said i don't really feel comfortable using that as an excuse to vote cape and afk. i was more willing to do that yesterday because the stakes were lower but i'm... thinking about worlds where cape is a villager.
if you asked me who i was gonna place my vote on if EoD was in 30 seconds i wouldn't have a solid answer though. probably stll cape because id be panicked but thats not the point of this analogy smh
sleep:
if we vote out cape today and he flips mafia, what would you be most proud of this game? what would you be most ashamed of?
i mean
i think i'd look pretty silly ultimately
obviously i would have played a not great game i had some okay read day 1 and chickened out on them if that were the case
but this kinda goes into thing earlier about not staking so much emotion/personal self-worth on this internet game y'know
ultimately i would be happy to win and glad i got carried by such clever people, that's all
alright pretend i asked the same questions but cape flips town
(this is probably worthless just because you already made a point to not have Stakes here but)
id be bummed because id have broken out of a days long tunnel on hm and successfully found him only to be unable or not confident enough to convince others to save him and id be dreading the prospect of going to f3 (because, well, i think you know)
oh i guess i kind of shifted to a different thinking about my mindset but yeah. id be glad to have found him as town but disappointed that i wasnt able to do anything with it
im in a predicament
if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... who the fuck knows but that'd be a wack f3 and one that i think objectively is dangerous
while i have these thoughts i am also considering worlds where i want to vote sleep or dobby
now if you read between the lines here
i hate it here
[QUOTE=katze;2053831865]if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... QUOTE]
bwuhhh?
rask, sunbae, and newcomb had hk in poe. its uneven but most of the dead towns were actually defending cape. idk how much stock you wanna put in that but its there
im not even really necessarily anticipating i have the pull to save cape today. im just kind of following a thought. it could be wrong. i often am. im just trying to be less...throwing myself into things completely and then getting bummed if its wrong? idk this is a thing specific to me personally but i certainly dont think i get emo here as mafia
does... my reasoning around why cape should die today and NOT be in f3 make sense? which trio do you think makes for the easiest/most preferable f3 from a town pov?
im not gonna like, go re-do the things ive done but this is a post from f9 where i went through all preferred poes
Dobby: Monty - Cuth - katze - Cape
katze: Cape - Monty - Dobby - ? (not sure who next person would be, maybe cuth or sleep? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831121&viewfull=1#post2053831121)
Benneh: Cuth - Monty - Cape - katze ?
Raskolnikov: Cuth - Monty - Dobby - ?
Hollowkatt: Monty - Cuth - Cape (?) - ?
Monty: katze - Cuth - Dobby - Sleep? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831041&viewfull=1#post2053831041)
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Cape90: Monty - Rask? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053830984&highlight=#post2053830984) (goes back to saying "rask is probably town, so i can't identify a preferred poe from cape's post)
Cuth: Monty - dobby?katze?sleep?
Sleep: Monty - katze/cuth? - ?
Cuth/Cape/Sleep I can't identify clear thoughts on what their PoE is, kinda seems like they're just content with Monty and game ends after that? Some names are mentioned but followed by "prolly just town" ish posts.
My point with doing this is that... We have Monty/Cape/Cuth/katze as preferred nr 1 yeet across the board. That's 4 names. I think other than katze being cleared by someone (idr who) we have a pretty super duper wide poe. I'm definitely included in that poe as well. That's 5 names.
We kinda need to cover all or at least bases for if monty isn't the yeet. Prolly not going to do that all-in today, but I think it's important to note that we can't just get into a f7/f5 where 5 people have 5 preferred yeets, that's suck poopbutt. I'm not sure how we're going to find the clears tho but we should like, spend our time trying to agree on stuff
idk this thing youre doing feels like it comes at a really weird time and... i know i accused kat of doing this the other day (ie playing exactly like she needed to to reach f3 and win as wolf) but this is... a similar thing im seeing here. especially bringing hk into the picture. write stuff about it, more than... what you wrote about the d1 stuff, maybe some more reasoning behind each thing you mentioned because i feel like you just wrote stuff without actually meaning them
talking about this
i ehm
i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced
and then saying "im fine with being wrong" (paraphrased) etc, because, sure, we all are, and have been, or we wouldnt be in f5, but... if youre going to not vote cape, and going after hk, dont just place a vanity vote there based on very loose grounds, we kinda need to be on the same track here or see what the others see to have a chance and not just "i believe this is right bai".
did you check my interaction with hk d3? the thing i said made me change my mind on hk?
honestly the biggest reason i have to think cape might be a villager is the fact that i feel like the thread has become significantly more pro-katze for reasons that i don't fully understand in a way that makes me feel like im the designated F3 ML
and i don't think thats how w!cape approaches the game i think he needs anything he can get to get to F3
also apparently i never replied to this:
yeah, i understand that voting outside of cape and being wrong is significantly worse than voting cape and being wrong, with that said i don't really feel comfortable using that as an excuse to vote cape and afk. i was more willing to do that yesterday because the stakes were lower but i'm... thinking about worlds where cape is a villager.
if you asked me who i was gonna place my vote on if EoD was in 30 seconds i wouldn't have a solid answer though. probably stll cape because id be panicked but thats not the point of this analogy smh
i probably spent like a million hours looking into this yestergameday and i honestly feel pretty good about my vote. it feels like the lvl 1 solve was monty-cuth-cape-(and you) in some order, and thats the road we've been following, because it leads to a f3 that can be solved without weird stuff involved. I do have thoughts on you, i do have thoughts on sleep (way more today), and a bit on hk, but this still feels like The way.
im in a predicament
if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... who the fuck knows but that'd be a wack f3 and one that i think objectively is dangerous
while i have these thoughts i am also considering worlds where i want to vote sleep or dobby
now if you read between the lines here
i hate it here
this bolded thing is literally what im trying to say
if we are wrong it's fine, then we are in f3 and the amount of stuff to read is way less.
dobby i know what ur saying and i don't particularly disagree i just hate that i'm no longer as confident in it being correct today
honestly the biggest reason i have to think cape might be a villager is the fact that i feel like the thread has become significantly more pro-katze for reasons that i don't fully understand in a way that makes me feel like im the designated F3 ML
and i don't think thats how w!cape approaches the game i think he needs anything he can get to get to F3
i was the one most loudly anti-you until i spent my 200 hours rereading stuff as well as our interactions and then i felt a lot better about you, thats probably why its significantly more pro-katze.
i think w!cape doesnt need to do much because we are doing it for him
i was the one most loudly anti-you until i spent my 200 hours rereading stuff as well as our interactions and then i felt a lot better about you, thats probably why its significantly more pro-katze.
i think w!cape doesnt need to do much because we are doing it for him
nod
thats true, iirc cape was lightening up on me too though, and i think sleep as well?
like basically everybody alive who isn't a kat was previously much louder about me being a wolf and is no longer that?
[QUOTE=katze;2053831865]if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... QUOTE]
bwuhhh?
i don't see what makes this so confusing
If both me and katze are villagers and we miselim somebody else today, it's pretty much a guarantee that neither of me or katze are going to get nightkilled, pretty much a nonzero chance, and like, I can't just lock town myself or whatever soz
(sleep said that not katze)
dobby i know what ur saying and i don't particularly disagree i just hate that i'm no longer as confident in it being correct today
part of my point is that its FINE if we aren't correct today, because yeah, you and cape in f3 will be a straight up lottery thing to deal with, but not yeeting him (or you) means that f3 will just be insanely hard.
Sleep and HK have kind of gotten free-passes for a huge chunk of the game based on like one or a couple of things and reevaluating that sure it can be done to a bigger extent now in f5 but id rather just, have us wait until f3 when we really would need to, and i genuinely would rather see hk and sleep in f3 than both you and cape.
nod
thats true, iirc cape was lightening up on me too though, and i think sleep as well?
like basically everybody alive who isn't a kat was previously much louder about me being a wolf and is no longer that?
cape was very pro-katze despite you pushing him (idk what day it was but it was for a fairly long time) and i think it was yesterday that cape started sussing you back.
i didn't get the immpression of what youre wirting there but shrugze. maybe to some extent? meh
that doesnt sound right and i'd fact check it but im currently doing other busywork
also i didnt see you "bwuh"ing at my post gira but i feel like its p self explanatory so shrugze
cape do you really have nothing else to add
like yeah listening to my heart would mean i likely even vote katze and especially if it means not having you and cape there
like we have a few people fairly consensus town barring tinfoil, we dont need to make this game harder than it is. If there's 3 of us that are pretty damn towny and have been towncored for a few days, but not obv kill targets, we dont do the mafias job and yeet one of them.
that doesnt sound right and i'd fact check it but im currently doing other busywork
also i didnt see you "bwuh"ing at my post gira but i feel like its p self explanatory so shrugze
cape do you really have nothing else to add
what doesnt sound right? if youre talking about cape being pro-katze, he 100% was (check the preferred-poe list i quoted above, and check back at the posts around that time, i believe it was in f9 or something.).
imma just go to sleep i dont want to be here :(
good night people
id be bummed because id have broken out of a days long tunnel on hm and successfully found him only to be unable or not confident enough to convince others to save him and id be dreading the prospect of going to f3 (because, well, i think you know)
You are also voting HK right now which... would sort of indicate that you are confident enough to save me? Or is this the matter of convincing other people and not yourself?
To me, I am in this predicament right now to where if I go into the final 3, I am sure I would be miselimmed out of anyone.
Obviously wolf is going for the long shot here which is not going to make today easy
that doesnt sound right and i'd fact check it but im currently doing other busywork
also i didnt see you "bwuh"ing at my post gira but i feel like its p self explanatory so shrugze
cape do you really have nothing else to add
i am kinda reading right now, I am thinking of I guess "what to add"
the legacy looked towny from katze alright :stupid:
Katze was also being shielded for meta reasons by... probably town
I have no idea how you all are so confident on Rask, like at all. I think they look like town
But so does like
everyone that isn't Mont :laugh4:
i mean even Mont has some good posts
oh
rask is just town then
POE is just too easy this game
lol dont go rask
Monty/katze/Cuth
final answer
eh i wasnt entirely wrong but i did remember somewhat wrong
cape if i told you i wanted to give you full control of todays execution, and if you're wrong, we kill you tomorrow - who do you vote and why?
you can answer this later if you want but i want you to think about it
cape was very pro-katze despite you pushing him (idk what day it was but it was for a fairly long time) and i think it was yesterday that cape started sussing you back.
i didn't get the immpression of what youre wirting there but shrugze. maybe to some extent? meh
I would say sort of. For the most part I was trusting HK on the whole katze meta read thing since I was trusting HK.
Been back and forth on katze, and you don't really have the whole story there from yesterday, I beleive that I saw content from katze on like page... 97 (IIRC) that I found to really just probably come from town, the page where they self-voted/had a towny wall that I want to look back on
does... my reasoning around why cape should die today and NOT be in f3 make sense? which trio do you think makes for the easiest/most preferable f3 from a town pov?
im not gonna like, go re-do the things ive done but this is a post from f9 where i went through all preferred poes
idk this thing youre doing feels like it comes at a really weird time and... i know i accused kat of doing this the other day (ie playing exactly like she needed to to reach f3 and win as wolf) but this is... a similar thing im seeing here. especially bringing hk into the picture. write stuff about it, more than... what you wrote about the d1 stuff, maybe some more reasoning behind each thing you mentioned because i feel like you just wrote stuff without actually meaning them
talking about this
and then saying "im fine with being wrong" (paraphrased) etc, because, sure, we all are, and have been, or we wouldnt be in f5, but... if youre going to not vote cape, and going after hk, dont just place a vanity vote there based on very loose grounds, we kinda need to be on the same track here or see what the others see to have a chance and not just "i believe this is right bai".
did you check my interaction with hk d3? the thing i said made me change my mind on hk?
im not totally concerned with an "optimal vote" or whatever today. the optimal vote is the one that is on mafia. i get that you are hedging in the event of us being wrong. i am simply trying to figure things out.
i realize my vote is an empty one right now and my words are vague. it is also 3 hours into the day. i am kind of testing out how i feel about things, the words will come when i have time and am more certain on my feelings, and to do that i need a little time (i don't want to throw myself into it obsessively but i want to cover my bases)
its a 48 hour phase, the game has my undivided attention now, ill get to it when i feel comfortable going "yeah this is what i think". dont worry. have a little patience.
and w/r/t your interactions with hk: im a little concerned his approach there in de-escalating was pockety
nod
thats true, iirc cape was lightening up on me too though, and i think sleep as well?
like basically everybody alive who isn't a kat was previously much louder about me being a wolf and is no longer that?
idk if i was ever loud about it and in fact i think i was most paranoid of you yesterday. i think dobby brings up a good point but i want to check
i don't see what makes this so confusing
If both me and katze are villagers and we miselim somebody else today, it's pretty much a guarantee that neither of me or katze are going to get nightkilled, pretty much a nonzero chance, and like, I can't just lock town myself or whatever soz
katze is laying out a scenario talking about "if one of us is mafia" but its between...her and you which is wacky because from her perspective she should always be town
pretty elite eod1 by me imo
anyway flexing aside uhh
i forgot how much of an... interaction ender/cuth have at EoD1. it's kinda weird.
(theres a bit more but multiquote keeps breaking on me)
anyway im thinking. my impression of cuth at eod1 in slep is "look good after radishes flips", i don't think he expected radishes to go over? around the time mac votes radishes is probably when wolves realized he was dying
in this eod1 you have w!ender basically doing nothing but screaming "kill newcomb kill newcomb" and also kinda interacting with cuth and kinda advocating a cuth wagon for a bit before dropping that. could easily see that bit as w/w given the part where he drops it and goes back to pushing newcomb
cuths eod1 is... less narrow tho. idk. i don't reaaalllllly feel like cuth is trying to look good off of ladd flipping but his first few posts of D2 make me squint a bit
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829496&viewfull=1#post2053829496
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829499&viewfull=1#post2053829499
idk. could be a bit too on the nose?
think ill read more tomorrow im mafiaed out today
i was thinking of this and, with the flip of cuth, :shrug:
But I still feel like it is a good post but maybe not something to lock town for
i mean i can talk about how i'm town every post if you want but i've discovered it is both obnoxious and unproductive to say "well actually i'm a villager" in all of my hypotheticals
im a villager btw
imma just go to sleep i dont want to be here :(
good night people
sorry :(
its weird because for the 24 hours following voting cuth i felt bad but now that im here i feel like my mindset has shifted in accordance with no being as invested and now i feel like i have nothing to lose
cape if i told you i wanted to give you full control of todays execution, and if you're wrong, we kill you tomorrow - who do you vote and why?
you can answer this later if you want but i want you to think about it
I know this might not be the answer you want but I would toss either you or HK up and say it's not anybody else
it's not Sleep
it's not Dobby
if it is they already won
HK looks decent off meta and decent content but thats not clearing, I don't super recall what they said/contributed yesterday
you look decent out of your reaction to pressure and having good posts.
why do you think this isn't the answer i want
i mean yeah HK is probably the person i am most confidently clearing and i'm the other person but like, i'm asking to evaluate your alignment more than anything so
why do you think sleep/dobby have already won if mafia?
imma just go to sleep i dont want to be here :(
good night people
have to do with us or the game?
Either way, I hope you feel better in the morning
You are also voting HK right now which... would sort of indicate that you are confident enough to save me? Or is this the matter of convincing other people and not yourself?
To me, I am in this predicament right now to where if I go into the final 3, I am sure I would be miselimmed out of anyone.
Obviously wolf is going for the long shot here which is not going to make today easy
cape, theres no majority, votes are purely symbolic until the deadline occurs. this is me tracing out a feeling. what happened was i went back and looked at what the dead townies had as poes. i had sort of contemplated just voting katze there, because that was what most of them wanted (and as said idt its you anymore). but dobby raised a good point about how ender spoke to katze. so i went and reread hollowkatt because i felt as though i had ignored him too much, and i didnt like what i saw
Tally as of #570 (editing in)
3 Cape90 (Sleep, Katze, Winston)
3 Monty (zack, Csargo, Sunbae)
2 Monstrdude (Monty, Hollowkatt)
1 Csargo (Cape90)
1 Winston Hughes (Cuthillius)
1 Hollowkatt (Monstrdude)
1 Newcomb (nebjiamn)
1 Katze (Newcomb)
1 ladd (Enderwiggin)
1 Sleep (ladd)
Remember, if you do not vote using the Vote: Format with the colon, i aint gonna count it. its in the rules.
Tally as of #868 (editing in)
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 zack, Raskolnikov, Montmorency
Newcomb 3 nebjiamn, Enderwiggin, Sleep
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
Sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Raskolnikov 2 Cuthillius, Monstrdude
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
zack 1 Winston Hughes
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
Sunbae 0
katze 0
ladd 0
Cuthillius 0
Dobby 0
Monstrdude 0
nebjiamn 0
Cape90 0
Winston Hughes 0
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
Sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, Sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0
another tally, pls check to make sure its okay
gonna try tinkering with the formatting
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 (Raskolnikov, zack, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
test tally pls and thx
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, Sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
i love textjoin (#952)
962
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, Sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
I believe this is the tally
Players Votes
Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
1062
1102
Players Votes
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
1118
Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
day 1 votes with retrospective flips
standby while i figure out how to do what i want to do with this
im gonna rr cape next but it might not be tonight
why do you think this isn't the answer i want
i mean yeah HK is probably the person i am most confidently clearing and i'm the other person but like, i'm asking to evaluate your alignment more than anything so
why do you think sleep/dobby have already won if mafia?
It was more of like, you wanted one answer
Dobby would literally have to be the most masterful manipulator if they are mafia, like there is no way they are not innocent
Sleep I think just has some real pure thoughts that really don't look like they have an agenda, a feeling that I have had all game.
Let's say I die today, I flip town, mafia night kills HK, my advice to you IF YOU ARE TOWN, is you probably go Sleep over Dobby
im gonna rr cape next but it might not be tonight
im villager
It was more of like, you wanted one answer
Dobby would literally have to be the most masterful manipulator if they are mafia, like there is no way they are not innocent
Sleep I think just has some real pure thoughts that really don't look like they have an agenda, a feeling that I have had all game.
Let's say I die today, I flip town, mafia night kills HK, my advice to you IF YOU ARE TOWN, is you probably go Sleep over Dobby
nod
i wanted one answer but you giving me two isn't inherently bad, i actually lowkey like that you did
noted on that hypothetical f3
im villager
thank u
i mean im just kinda playing around with ideas right now
what do you mean by "pure thoughts that really don't look like they have an agenda"
i mean its possible cape is potatoing right now because he doesnt have a good way to push on anyone, idk lmao
Tally as of #570 (editing in)
3 Cape90 (sleep, katze, Winston Hughes)
3 Montmorency (zack, Csargo, Sunbae)
2 Monstrdude (Montmorency, hollowkatt)
1 Csargo (Cape90)
1 Winston Hughes (Cuthillius)
1 hollowkatt (Monstrdude)
1 Newcomb (nebjiamn)
1 katze (Newcomb)
1 ladd (Enderwiggin)
1 sleep (ladd)
Remember, if you do not vote using the Vote: Format with the colon, i aint gonna count it. its in the rules.
Tally as of #868 (editing in)
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 zack, Raskolnikov, Montmorency
Newcomb 3 nebjiamn, Enderwiggin, sleep
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Raskolnikov 2 Cuthillius, Monstrdude
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
zack 1 Winston Hughes
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
Sunbae 0
katze 0
ladd 0
Cuthillius 0
Dobby 0
Monstrdude 0
nebjiamn 0
Cape90 0
Winston Hughes 0
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0
another tally, pls check to make sure its okay
gonna try tinkering with the formatting
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 (Raskolnikov, zack, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
test tally pls and thx
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
i love textjoin (#952)
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Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
I believe this is the tally
Players Votes
Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
day 1 retrospectives if cape90 is mafia
Tally as of #570 (editing in)
3 Cape90 (sleep, katze, Winston Hughes)
3 Montmorency (zack, Csargo, Sunbae)
2 Monstrdude (Montmorency, hollowkatt)
1 Csargo (Cape90)
1 Winston Hughes (Cuthillius)
1 hollowkatt (Monstrdude)
1 Newcomb (nebjiamn)
1 katze (Newcomb)
1 ladd (Enderwiggin)
1 sleep (ladd)
Remember, if you do not vote using the Vote: Format with the colon, i aint gonna count it. its in the rules.
Tally as of #868 (editing in)
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 zack, Raskolnikov, Montmorency
Newcomb 3 nebjiamn, Enderwiggin, sleep
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Raskolnikov 2 Cuthillius, Monstrdude
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
zack 1 Winston Hughes
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
Sunbae 0
katze 0
ladd 0
Cuthillius 0
Dobby 0
Monstrdude 0
nebjiamn 0
Cape90 0
Winston Hughes 0
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0
another tally, pls check to make sure its okay
gonna try tinkering with the formatting
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 (Raskolnikov, zack, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
test tally pls and thx
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
i love textjoin (#952)
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Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
I believe this is the tally
Players Votes
Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
day 1 retrospectives if dobby is mafia
Tally as of #570 (editing in)
3 Cape90 (sleep, katze, Winston Hughes)
3 Montmorency (zack, Csargo, Sunbae)
2 Monstrdude (Montmorency, hollowkatt)
1 Csargo (Cape90)
1 Winston Hughes (Cuthillius)
1 hollowkatt (Monstrdude)
1 Newcomb (nebjiamn)
1 katze (Newcomb)
1 ladd (Enderwiggin)
1 sleep (ladd)
Remember, if you do not vote using the Vote: Format with the colon, i aint gonna count it. its in the rules.
Tally as of #868 (editing in)
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 zack, Raskolnikov, Montmorency
Newcomb 3 nebjiamn, Enderwiggin, sleep
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Raskolnikov 2 Cuthillius, Monstrdude
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
zack 1 Winston Hughes
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
Sunbae 0
katze 0
ladd 0
Cuthillius 0
Dobby 0
Monstrdude 0
nebjiamn 0
Cape90 0
Winston Hughes 0
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0
another tally, pls check to make sure its okay
gonna try tinkering with the formatting
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 (Raskolnikov, zack, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
test tally pls and thx
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
i love textjoin (#952)
962
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
I believe this is the tally
Players Votes
Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
day 1 retrospectives if hollowkatt is mafia
Tally as of #570 (editing in)
3 Cape90 (Sleep, katze, Winston Hughes)
3 Montmorency (zack, Csargo, Sunbae)
2 Monstrdude (Montmorency, hollowkatt)
1 Csargo (Cape90)
1 Winston Hughes (Cuthillius)
1 hollowkatt (Monstrdude)
1 Newcomb (nebjiamn)
1 katze (Newcomb)
1 ladd (Enderwiggin)
1 Sleep (ladd)
Remember, if you do not vote using the Vote: Format with the colon, i aint gonna count it. its in the rules.
Tally as of #868 (editing in)
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 zack, Raskolnikov, Montmorency
Newcomb 3 nebjiamn, Enderwiggin, Sleep
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
Sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Raskolnikov 2 Cuthillius, Monstrdude
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
zack 1 Winston Hughes
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
Sunbae 0
katze 0
ladd 0
Cuthillius 0
Dobby 0
Monstrdude 0
nebjiamn 0
Cape90 0
Winston Hughes 0
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
Sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, Sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0
another tally, pls check to make sure its okay
gonna try tinkering with the formatting
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 (Raskolnikov, zack, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
test tally pls and thx
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, Sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
i love textjoin (#952)
962
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, Sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
I believe this is the tally
Players Votes
Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
day 1 retrospectives if sleep is mafia
Tally as of #570 (editing in)
3 Cape90 (sleep, katze, Winston Hughes)
3 Montmorency (zack, Csargo, Sunbae)
2 Monstrdude (Montmorency, hollowkatt)
1 Csargo (Cape90)
1 Winston Hughes (Cuthillius)
1 hollowkatt (Monstrdude)
1 Newcomb (nebjiamn)
1 katze (Newcomb)
1 ladd (Enderwiggin)
1 sleep (ladd)
Remember, if you do not vote using the Vote: Format with the colon, i aint gonna count it. its in the rules.
Tally as of #868 (editing in)
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 zack, Raskolnikov, Montmorency
Newcomb 3 nebjiamn, Enderwiggin, sleep
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Raskolnikov 2 Cuthillius, Monstrdude
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
zack 1 Winston Hughes
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
Sunbae 0
katze 0
ladd 0
Cuthillius 0
Dobby 0
Monstrdude 0
nebjiamn 0
Cape90 0
Winston Hughes 0
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0
another tally, pls check to make sure its okay
gonna try tinkering with the formatting
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 3 (Raskolnikov, zack, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
test tally pls and thx
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cape90 1 (Winston Hughes)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
i love textjoin (#952)
962
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, sleep, nebjiamn)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 2 (Csargo, Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (katze)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
I believe this is the tally
Players Votes
Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Players Votes
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
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Players Votes
ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)
This is the final tally I have.
Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.
day 1 retrospectives if katze is mafia
okay lets see if i fucked any of this up
alright cool it looks right
last time i did this the last wolf had weird looking VCs that stuck out to me
although i think i did it with every EoD/pivotal VC because modbot my beloved
might do this with the other EoDs in a bit cause that was effort and this isn't really giving me much at a glance
me at the start of today: i will be lazy and sheep dead towns
me after RRing ender and ladd: im never voting katze
(although coloring in VCs gives me fear because back in my PEAK i won multiple games as scum going to F3 where I colored in VCs to make it look like i was being effrtful/doing work and manipulate people into thinking i was cleared off some voting)
me at the start of today: i will be lazy and sheep dead towns
me after RRing ender and ladd: im never voting katze
i dont know how to feel about this
i dont know how to feel about this
idfk im just having fun for some insane reason
idfk im just having fun for some insane reason
fun? in forum mafia?
teach me your ways
fun? in forum mafia?
teach me your ways
idk i just went into today saying to myself, dont get too sucked in, it doesnt matter if we win or lose, its just a dumb game, and now i feel incredibly free about it
idk i just went into today saying to myself, dont get too sucked in, it doesnt matter if we win or lose, its just a dumb game, and now i feel incredibly free about it
yeah see i tell myself that and then i post 1500 times to ensure i dont die and then after the game insist i should never play mafia again just to play mafia again a week later
this game i felt like i was gonna break that cycle but now im too invested
joycat
im rereading capes early game posts and idt its him
they arent even bad
wtf was i thinking a week and a half ago
yeah see i tell myself that and then i post 1500 times to ensure i dont die and then after the game insist i should never play mafia again just to play mafia again a week later
this game i felt like i was gonna break that cycle but now im too invested
joycat
i mean its fun to try, obviously, thats why im still doing it. im just not gonna self-flagellate if i am wrong here, winning or losing doesnt matter
lol i just realized every EoD but EoD1/EoD2 is worthless for any sort of VCA
Players Votes
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, katze, Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
I believe this is the correct tally.
10 minutes for corrections.
i can be lazy and just look at this VC and then say "lmao if the newcomb wagon is pure"
I kinda more read Zack's post as a half-joke, I thought it was trying to be real content without actually being real content.
The second part on Sleep/katze was obviously me goofing.
The katze read I made about their long post is the most concrete thing I have right now.
Sunbae also had concerns about my Mont thing (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828386&viewfull=1#post2053828386) and I feel like I put it well in my post. It is just something that I would expect people to shade Mont for even though I would disagree with their suspicions but I would still expect someone to point it out as potentially suspicious or whatever. There has hardly been talk around it in the first place.
I agree with Sunbae's take on Zack/Newcomb (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828391&viewfull=1#post2053828391) for the time being.
Guess I should mention the accusation that I am not adjusting to the game well or whatever. And the answer is pretty simple
It was early on in the game and I wanted to get the content train keeping on steaming down the tracks. As it turns out, it worked, it got people talking about me and stuff. Funny how that works, it's not like I was gonna be lighthearted and jovial all game, I'm kinda a tryhard who doesn't like to have fun after a chunk of time has passed
just seems like a town post for him
i dont think he responds to me trying to dump on him with a wall by locking him as town when hes scum
although the strength of capes townread on me is kind of adorable
although correct its maybe sleeping on my scum game a little too much? lol. give me at least a little fear so i can feel validated
me realizing that vca when the wolves are all dead early is kinda worthless
i find it... interesting that ender ended the day on cape after being so anti-newcomb at eod1? hm.
most people thought enders eod2 was outting for him so but i dont remember thinking that
if his eod is openwolfy i'd assume he doesnt leave vote on teammate unless he's very confident they dont go over tho
although the strength of capes townread on me is kind of adorable
although correct its maybe sleeping on my scum game a little too much? lol. give me at least a little fear so i can feel validated
sorry #TheFear is only valid at your local katze
im actually more strongly believing cape is town the more i read
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 04:43
part of my point is that its FINE if we aren't correct today, because yeah, you and cape in f3 will be a straight up lottery thing to deal with, but not yeeting him (or you) means that f3 will just be insanely hard.
Sleep and HK have kind of gotten free-passes for a huge chunk of the game based on like one or a couple of things and reevaluating that sure it can be done to a bigger extent now in f5 but id rather just, have us wait until f3 when we really would need to, and i genuinely would rather see hk and sleep in f3 than both you and cape.
wat
sleep:
were you intending on... acting different this game? like, just. did you put effort into Not Looking Like Gira at any point this game?
i should say uhh
i think a lot posts hk made are posts that kind of look like they were made to get townread off? and the solviong content is not that strong. cape feels like he keeps trying to analyze things, oftentimes he goes down dead ends but hes exploring a lot of paths. thats what im getting here
sleep:
were you intending on... acting different this game? like, just. did you put effort into Not Looking Like Gira at any point this game?
uh for at least before i was outed i was sort of trying to play in the style of someone from MS
shrug
im vaguely rereading the game
now im remembering why i joined this. i expected to get deaded early to a 'splodey vest. sadge.
vote: Sleep
https://c.tenor.com/1iv4GLVH8ZkAAAAM/cat-bite.gif
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 05:07
Players Votes
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, hollowkatt, katze, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)
tally correct, ordering isnt
if I die here my legacy is to kill ender then everyone on my wagon
Cheers, if this is it I had fun despite some really wack reasoning w/r/t me
So this is a thing that happened. See also Dobby being on Ender here, I think that's a good look for him.
Newcomb was right on Ender. Wrong on Monte, leaves Me, Katze, Cape.
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 05:07
kinda wanna just speed run this and if I'm alive in F3 insta-vote the person I feel is most likely town.
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 05:08
I also haven't done any of the assigned reading. I'll do that tomorrow.
kinda wanna just speed run this and if I'm alive in F3 insta-vote the person I feel is most likely town.
hmmyes
i will prob be around even less tomorrow
villas
newcomb
zack
benneh
katze
sleep
HK
mont
ladd
cape
:clown:
if dobbys the last wolf then ladd just didnt put a single teammate in this post? would be weird
kinda wild that 4 of the people here are still alive in f5
im liking my sleep vote more than i expected i would tbh
will sleep on it gn
that pun was not intended
lmao
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 05:33
ok, why each person can be town:
katze - this started out purely as a meta read. I reviewed Katzes wolf games I've seen/been in and in those games there's more self-depreciating humor, more self-votes, and more generalized shitposting than there is here. Not to say that there isn't any, but it's not as pronounced. From there I watched katze do actual work, make actual reads, and appear torn on where to go. Is all of that possible to be faked? Yeah, for sure it is. Katze is a fantastic wolf.
Dobby said yesterday that katze was playing exactly like they needed to play to win the game as wolf. I said I wasn't as sure. Then we chopped Cuth instead. All of that to say katze is town because this is vastly unlike any of the wolf games I've seen them bring, and they're doing a reasonable amount of solving while not being over the top.
Cape - reasonable associations with flipped wolves, was pushed rather vigorously by Ender, appears as lost as anyone.
Sleep - tbh fucked if I know. I don't actually have anything I can think of off the top of my head why Sleep would be town. That has to be rectified.
Dobby - Early on Ender when Ender didn't need to be bused, rarely appears on bad wagons, has shown willingness to re-evaluate strongly held positions.
Why each person can be a wolf:
Katze - has yet to vote a wolf (unconfirmed I guess but still with three dead wolves you'd think katze would have voted for one of them by mistake or something by now), mind changes often in ways that are unknowable at times, does not appear to have been strongly pushed by any wolves
Cape - Bit sheepy and bit stingy with the voting, like katze don't think they've voted a wolf yet. Some anti-associatives from dead wolves but could be distancing.
Dobby - This one I struggle with and basically the thought here is that dobby is playing exactly how they would need to in order to win the game as wolf. GTH the biggest indicator that dobby could be a wolf here is how quickly they shifted perspective on me after being gung-ho for the better part of 2 game days HK wolf a relatively brief conversation flipped the script and now dobby is one of my biggest defenders. If dobby is the wolf the play is to take me to F3 and have me vote with him. This read functionally doesn't exist till F3 though.
Sleep - Like with the reasons to town read again fucked if I know. Sleep has been a blind spot for me for basically the entire game and I've been letting everyone elses reads of Sleep do it for me.
tbh Sleep is where I'm going to focus my reading and attention today.
vote: Sleep
https://c.tenor.com/1iv4GLVH8ZkAAAAM/cat-bite.gif
oh goodie can i do my spiel now?
ive been playing turbos with ladd for a few months now. im competent at scum. ladd generally respects my game enough that he wouldnt try to bus me on Day 1 when most people were townreading me for going after cape. you can go "yes he distanced with ender" but theres a difference between doing theater in the middle of the day and voting someone at the end of the day. (i wrongly wrote off ender because of this and i was naive! ladd has a spiel about not bussing but i didn't appreciate the difference). trying to put over a competent partner who isnt getting suspected is just bad play. and then ultimately if im getting bussed i push him back, i dont dumb flop onto newcomb at the last minute
in general i feel like the way i responded to ladd where i was increasingly suspicious of him and interrogating him abiout his read of cape is not what id do with a teammate and shows that i really thought i was onto something in how evasive he was bein with that read
furter from that: as scum here i would be plotting out path to victory. im sure you know how that goes. i have been generally townread but not TOP townread, i would be sitting in a good position. i would not need to upset the status quo. there would be no need for me to come in here and go "hey actually i think its hk" because now you dobby and cape are all giving me the stinkeye in response. i could easily win by taking the path of least resistance. im doing this because i think im onto something
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 05:50
oh goodie can i do my spiel now?
ive been playing turbos with ladd for a few months now. im competent at scum. ladd generally respects my game enough that he wouldnt try to bus me on Day 1 when most people were townreading me for going after cape. you can go "yes he distanced with ender" but theres a difference between doing theater in the middle of the day and voting someone at the end of the day. (i wrongly wrote off ender because of this and i was naive! ladd has a spiel about not bussing but i didn't appreciate the difference). trying to put over a competent partner who isnt getting suspected is just bad play. and then ultimately if im getting bussed i push him back, i dont dumb flop onto newcomb at the last minute
in general i feel like the way i responded to ladd where i was increasingly suspicious of him and interrogating him abiout his read of cape is not what id do with a teammate and shows that i really thought i was onto something in how evasive he was bein with that read
furter from that: as scum here i would be plotting out path to victory. im sure you know how that goes. i have been generally townread but not TOP townread, i would be sitting in a good position. i would not need to upset the status quo. there would be no need for me to come in here and go "hey actually i think its hk" because now you dobby and cape are all giving me the stinkeye in response. i could easily win by taking the path of least resistance. im doing this because i think im onto something
counterpoint: you can't take both cape and I to F3 if you are the wolf. That relies on chopping katze today and NK dobby. So shifting to me, getting me across the line, and then NK either katze or dobby (most likely dobby tho lets be real) gives you an F3 of Cape, Katze, and you. That's a F3 you can win by going back to saying "man I was super wrong on HK but that means it just has to be Cape here" and literally nobody will blink.
admittedly cape has tailed off in the more recent parts of the game. dont know how much of that has to do with being overburderened with another game + the game being hard from his POV. certainly his weakest posting. however i still like his early game a great degree and think its better than what hes shown his scum game to be. i dont want to succumb to recency bias in my read there.
the way he handled the wagons on mont/cuth is kind of shady ig
nah i still don't think it's cape after 98
if hss owning me whatever
anyway gnight, take care of yrselves
will try to flesh out my perspective on things tomorrow with actual quotes
i will prob be around even less tomorrow
villas
newcomb
zack
benneh
katze
sleep
HK
mont
ladd
cape
:clown:
not actually here
but if I am wolf, this is a pretty peculiar place to place me on this list of "villas"
:sweatdrop:
I mean it's not wrong but still, overreacting a bit
???? this is #98 so idk what your saying sleep lol
Later I will double check Sleep's meta :shrug:
dont have time/energy
not actually here
but if I am wolf, this is a pretty peculiar place to place me on this list of "villas"
how so, his own placement is pretty peculiar as well tbh :wowee:
???? this is #98 so idk what your saying sleep lol
presumably page 98
not actually here
placement of names on lists is like tea leaf ish lol
ladd is good and likely writes lists intenionally wifoming with the names to confuse people, i know i have done that as mafia
not saying this means anything for you its just not a good argument
---
neway i will try to write up people in the game as my schedule permits
Hi
I'm sorry I was sadgeing yesterday it just felt like game shouldn't be this complicated rn and clear indication that it won't be getting easier.
What has happened now is that yeah everyone is a valid alternative and I'm not gonna say that I really wanted exactly this not to happen but uh yeah what's done is done i guess
I don't know what it'll take to change my read on cape, I feel like I was very thorough yesterday looking into cape/cuth /katze. I did not however look into hk and sleep properly except for like single comments but I guess I need to do that today even though I really didn't want to.
It's just kinda weeeeeh that we had a few people that a lot of smart people agreed should be the poe, and the more of them have died, the more we forget about this, and now we might take 2 of those into f3 and I feel like the reevaluation slash rereading that has just "started" could've been done a week ago and this wouldn't be the situation
I'm probably also just being mean and salty about it and it's not meant personally at all, its still a fun game and you're all great people, I just want to like, win tbh
Dobby - This one I struggle with and basically the thought here is that dobby is playing exactly how they would need to in order to win the game as wolf. GTH the biggest indicator that dobby could be a wolf here is how quickly they shifted perspective on me after being gung-ho for the better part of 2 game days HK wolf a relatively brief conversation flipped the script and now dobby is one of my biggest defenders. If dobby is the wolf the play is to take me to F3 and have me vote with him. This read functionally doesn't exist till F3 though.
The one thing I want to comment qbout here is that I've written "plays exactly like they need to to get to f3 and win" about both katze earlier in the game (qnd we are here now eith the exact same scenario I was accusing katze of trying to create) and yestergameday I wrote similarly about cape, and that has also worked out.
I'd want to argue that this isn't true for me though. I could play thos in a million different ways and especially leading up to today and not just in this way. I wasn't just townread by you so pocketing you when I've interacted with anyone wouldn't be a specific strat I needed to use if thst makes sense I'd say I wouldn't put in this much effort as wolf, but I would. Activity level is nai for me tbqh. If anything I have never top posted as wolf and barely ever as town iirc.
My thought is, who benefits the most of having a cpmmon game poe ish that then doesn't get yoinked and this player can therefore stay alive and nor be the main suspect, followed by now getting into f5 and the playerfield is fully open?
I wasn't really one of those before today, neither were you or sleep. And I think there's something to be said about this.
Ik 9ut for the evening and I'll try to remember that we didn't sign up for a super tryhard game with this, which I forgot somewhere along the way. I'll spend some time tomorrow doing stuff though
Hi
I'm sorry I was sadgeing yesterday it just felt like game shouldn't be this complicated rn and clear indication that it won't be getting easier.
What has happened now is that yeah everyone is a valid alternative and I'm not gonna say that I really wanted exactly this not to happen but uh yeah what's done is done i guess
I don't know what it'll take to change my read on cape, I feel like I was very thorough yesterday looking into cape/cuth /katze. I did not however look into hk and sleep properly except for like single comments but I guess I need to do that today even though I really didn't want to.
It's just kinda weeeeeh that we had a few people that a lot of smart people agreed should be the poe, and the more of them have died, the more we forget about this, and now we might take 2 of those into f3 and I feel like the reevaluation slash rereading that has just "started" could've been done a week ago and this wouldn't be the situation
I'm probably also just being mean and salty about it and it's not meant personally at all, its still a fun game and you're all great people, I just want to like, win tbh
the thing is that i went back and reviewed and those people didnt really have cape in their poe, a lot of them thought he was town. the consensusish poe by most dead towns was katze/hk
its fine if you think cape is mafia and want to go with that, you are not beholden to their opinions and its possible they are wrong
anyway like i said, try to detach a little bit. it helps. you can still give it ur all just dont put too much emotions on the line. remember its just a game.
n if ur posting like this as maf and emulating this headspace gg because its an incredible job
presumably page 98
not actually here
that is correct
its the very early game but im still feeling good about katze
i actually think her posts toward ender and ladd are non-partnered in a way thats not too superficial, and they in particular react to her like they know she is town and are a bit bothered by the stuff she asks them. know dobby said this so not going to repeat it all but...i think i agree
in general still looks like a townsperson doing towny things? there is a slight worry shes used my wrong reads as a springboard for getting mis-elims but. content hasnt raised alarms for me
ebwop: im rereading, still in the very early game but i am still feeling good about katze
i don't really like sleep posts anymore, he kinda feels like a tryhard wolf who found an easy villager to bury and look villagery with
im trying to figure out a way to word this in a way that isnt loaded but...
is there any indication of this being a thought you had before newcomb posted it
i didnt even know newcomb posted it
i actually thought of it before going to sleep when he made that post:
its the exact same thing i say as a wolf when trying to bury a villager and i thought cape answer was fine
hopefully thats enough proof for you, officer
shrug
i cant exactly prove if you read a wallpost or not so fair enough and good night
like this sequence in particular...ladd seems genuinely annoyed katze is questioning him with the "hopefully thats enough proof for you, officer "? mmm
these wagons fucking suck
this would be a wild post to make as mafia
if katze were mafia and there are 5 wagons on town with 2 votes each and shes spitting on ALL of them to try to get an alternate wagon thats like...it significantly raises the probability a partner goes over. it would be pretty bad play.
Later I will double check Sleep's meta :shrug:
dont have time/energy
Cape90 : lmk if u want links, i realize me playing on like 5 different sites across 9 different usernames or w/e might be hard to track down
i guess the biggest #fear from katze is i culd see the way shes played the later days as a straegic positioning kind of thing taking advantage of what other people were suspecting. but her early game was pretty good and i dont want to be too biased on recency because i think it gets harder to distinguish town from mafia when theres only one left
Katze - has yet to vote a wolf
holy shit really?? lolkatze
oh goodie can i do my spiel now?
replying to let you know i've read this, i'm thinking about it (mostly the top 2 paragraphs) rn
to the last one: it's not really why i'm suspecting you, overnight i kinda came down to my only hard town being HK (and raskol but lol) and before you even made the HK vote i'm pretty sure i communicated that?
when i was rereading the game from the start under the pretense that one of you/cape/hk/dobby had to be mafia my feelings were worst with your posts so i dropped the vote on you, read a bit more, then checked out for the night
but i don't really think that you've... explicitly played in a way where i can clear you for not plotting out a path for victory? cause like, as you said, you're already in a really good position if you're mafia so you don't need to do anything fancy to get The Path - which i guess is your point "why push HK if i dont need to do anything fancy" but eh. maybe i'll add that to the list of things to think about but the easy answer is you don't want to look too complacent in a gamestate where most people are kinda wehing and, well, not complacent
Hi
I'm sorry I was sadgeing yesterday it just felt like game shouldn't be this complicated rn and clear indication that it won't be getting easier.
What has happened now is that yeah everyone is a valid alternative and I'm not gonna say that I really wanted exactly this not to happen but uh yeah what's done is done i guess
I don't know what it'll take to change my read on cape, I feel like I was very thorough yesterday looking into cape/cuth /katze. I did not however look into hk and sleep properly except for like single comments but I guess I need to do that today even though I really didn't want to.
It's just kinda weeeeeh that we had a few people that a lot of smart people agreed should be the poe, and the more of them have died, the more we forget about this, and now we might take 2 of those into f3 and I feel like the reevaluation slash rereading that has just "started" could've been done a week ago and this wouldn't be the situation
I'm probably also just being mean and salty about it and it's not meant personally at all, its still a fun game and you're all great people, I just want to like, win tbh
<3
i understand and i'm still not completely ruling out saying "bringing cape to F3 is bad kill cape" but i'm... exploring. i'm thinking. if i spend a day or two overthinking it just to shrug and kill cape and he flips mafia then oh well that's mafia whats new, if i do the overthinking and he flips town then i'd at least have a silver lining of not entering F3 completely blindsided
fwiw im not fully around i just wanted to read the stuff i didnt read before going to bed
when i was rereading the game from the start under the pretense that one of you/cape/hk/dobby had to be mafia my feelings were worst with your posts so i dropped the vote on you, read a bit more, then checked out for the night
to slightly clarify
i also was like... kinda wehing at a few wolf interactions w/ you, mostly monstr tbh
which im not sure how i feel about because earlier i thought "literally every wolf treating sleep like they had no idea who he is is probably clearing" but now that im considering worlds where you could be mafia i reread it and my brains like "okay but what if"
and now it's like "this kinda makes sense tho" so im either a genius and correct, overthinking an easy game and its cape, or a dumbass and it's dobby/hk
currently don't think it's dobby/hk tho
to the last one: it's not really why i'm suspecting you, overnight i kinda came down to my only hard town being HK (and raskol but lol) and before you even made the HK vote i'm pretty sure i communicated that?
when i was rereading the game from the start under the pretense that one of you/cape/hk/dobby had to be mafia my feelings were worst with your posts so i dropped the vote on you, read a bit more, then checked out for the night
but i don't really think that you've... explicitly played in a way where i can clear you for not plotting out a path for victory? cause like, as you said, you're already in a really good position if you're mafia so you don't need to do anything fancy to get The Path - which i guess is your point "why push HK if i dont need to do anything fancy" but eh. maybe i'll add that to the list of things to think about but the easy answer is you don't want to look too complacent in a gamestate where most people are kinda wehing and, well, not complacent mmkay
the thing is if i want to look like i'm "doing something" that generally involves things in the form of words and posts not doing the math in my head and throwing a vote somewhere that no one likes. its just dumb.
but anyway: talk to me in concrete terms why you feel not great about me?
and also: why is hollowkatt ur strongest town read?
to slightly clarify
i also was like... kinda wehing at a few wolf interactions w/ you, mostly monstr tbh
which im not sure how i feel about because earlier i thought "literally every wolf treating sleep like they had no idea who he is is probably clearing" but now that im considering worlds where you could be mafia i reread it and my brains like "okay but what if"
and now it's like "this kinda makes sense tho" so im either a genius and correct, overthinking an easy game and its cape, or a dumbass and it's dobby/hk
currently don't think it's dobby/hk tho
i mean you are DEFINITELY overthinking it with regard to every mafia asking who i am, but as someone who is prone to incredibly dumb theories in late game i do not hold it against you
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 21:04
do y'all think dolby was in "dead man walking" mode?
I ask that b/c I've seen the man take over a slot and just own with it
i think he was trying
i also dont read a ton into what he was saying
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 21:11
do y'all think dolby was in "dead man walking" mode?
I ask that b/c I've seen the man take over a slot and just own with it
I'm gonna answer my own question with yes.
Players Votes
Cape90 1 (Dobby)
Sleep 1 (katze)
hollowkatt 1 (Sleep)
mmkay
the thing is if i want to look like i'm "doing something" that generally involves things in the form of words and posts not doing the math in my head and throwing a vote somewhere that no one likes. its just dumb.
but anyway: talk to me in concrete terms why you feel not great about me?
and also: why is hollowkatt ur strongest town read?
fair enough to the "doing something" bit
i'll get back to you on my read on you later in the day if it still holds/becomes more concrete cause rn it's really just down to "i reread most of/some of D1 and my guts telling me it makes the most sense so far" (and i can conceivably see what dobby was saying earlier that you're trying to advocate to bring cape to F3 to ML him there)
as for HK... i just feel like they have the most going for them? like:
imo they're the person who's coming at this game from the most genuine perspective, the way wolves treated them feels a lot like how they've treated villagers (a few of ladds posts on HK felt flat out like TMIing him town) and i honestly don't think HK would agree to be like, the designated deepwolf, tbqfh.
and ultimately they just feel like a villager to me? this is totally an experience im sure everybody can relate to when they just sometimes have players in the game that just Feel Like Town. wowee
do y'all think dolby was in "dead man walking" mode?
I ask that b/c I've seen the man take over a slot and just own with it
imo he wanted to look villagery at the least. or im just a massive sucker.
reading their posts rq and they definitely intended on trying to defend ender
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829464&viewfull=1#post2053829464
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829492&highlight=#post2053829492
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829517&highlight=#post2053829517
...wow that is a lot of defense on ender.
to people who know dolby better than i what would you consider his wolf gameplan to generally be? like, is he wifomy, is he a powerwolf, etc etc. wolf archetype might be the better question
Sup
Live view of Dolby:
https://legendsoflocalization.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/zero-wing-english-translation2.png
Csargo (Vanilla Town) has exploded Dolby (Mafia Goon).
god this is still so funny
i don't really like sleep posts anymore, he kinda feels like a tryhard wolf who found an easy villager to bury and look villagery with
I could just be lazy and say Sleep isn't wolf because of this :hide:
Cape90 : lmk if u want links, i realize me playing on like 5 different sites across 9 different usernames or w/e might be hard to track down
yeah, sure, I know a few alts but probably not all :p
these wagons fucking suck
from maf!katzes POV this would be all villagers, so I agree with Sleep...
I could just be lazy and say Sleep isn't wolf because of this :hide:
tbh im also considering that
because if it's sleep then ladd is like, taking v!newcombs concern with his partner signal boosting it... which is pretty odd?
i can come up with explanations for why he'd do that but the easier answer is that sleep is town
furter from that: as scum here i would be plotting out path to victory. im sure you know how that goes. i have been generally townread but not TOP townread, i would be sitting in a good position. i would not need to upset the status quo. there would be no need for me to come in here and go "hey actually i think its hk" because now you dobby and cape are all giving me the stinkeye in response. i could easily win by taking the path of least resistance. im doing this because i think im onto something
The problem I have with the HK vote/sus is that it's literally just POE with no case, which I feel would be easier to develop if we could actually see all of what HK has said this game easily. So basically I don't see the "legs" for the suspicion to stand on.
I kinda feel like katze's wall looked like it intended to show why HK is town... but didn't? Like it half-did but then went on a ramble about Dolby...
tbh im also considering that
because if it's sleep then ladd is like, taking v!newcombs concern with his partner signal boosting it... which is pretty odd?
i can come up with explanations for why he'd do that but the easier answer is that sleep is town
like:
sleep was basically never going over on D1, and Newcomb was pretty widely squinted upon so signal boosting that wouldn't realllllly change that
so like, if it's sleep then i guess ladd was just trying to further pocket Newcomb... well i guess that's regardless of sleeps alignment but it'd indicate that he was comfortable throwing a bit of shade on Sleep to do so... and i don't think ladd would expect it to push sleep over d1
still i do think the part where newcomb will flip eventually does mean it's more likely that ladd was just trying to signal boost a push on a villager
shrug
I kinda feel like katze's wall looked like it intended to show why HK is town... but didn't? Like it half-did but then went on a ramble about Dolby...
gira asked why i townread HK i answered
HK asked if we thought dolby was in antispew or whatever and i answered that
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me just trying to post emojis
https://images.emojiterra.com/twitter/v13.1/512px/1f928.png
hmph
sunbae, can you explain what your thoughts on the cuth/monstr thing were even if you threw them away?
i felt better about this game when I went to sleep
ladd
newcomb
katze
HK
Cuth
cape
Sunbae
Benneh
Zack
i like this more probably tho i kinda feel the #d1alliancetier has a wolf
i don't really like sleep posts anymore, he kinda feels like a tryhard wolf who found an easy villager to bury and look villagery with
i'll be back for a pop in before EoD
#VC
dobby still nowhere to be found, sleep gone from town list to being pushed, cape firmly where he was before and HK/i rising
hum
ladd specifically saying he likes that more than his prior one makes me kiiiinda squint at cape again
is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction? :crazy:
this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other
zack goat btw
bronana from the syndicate would have let me claim backup sorc instead but zacks okay too
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:15
Katze, re Dolby wolf style I have seen him try to blend and I have seen him power wolf/openly wolf and he generally has more success with the power wolfing/openly wolfing style of play. After looking at his posts again he was 100% going for the power wolf sort of play and was trying to get people to town read Ender again. I don't think he had any idea he was going to be blown up.
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:17
is EOD today or tomorrow? I suppose I can go check
If I end up going over, just know I'm confident in my towncore this game
Very confident
Least confident wolf read by a long shot is ladd.
Knowing how hit or miss I can be 2 wolves are in my light towns and if there's a wolf somewhere in my towncore, it's benneh
Town:
zack
nebjiamn
Sleep
Newcomb
Light Town:
Sunbae
EnderWiggin
Cuthillus
Hollowkatt
katze
Talk more:
Montmorency
Light Wolf:
Csargo
ladd
Monstrdude
Winston
Dobby
here is reads that I have developed while struggle trying to ISO people without the ISO functionality
I bolded my most confident wolf reads.
vote: Csargo
I think Csargo has had good (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828723&viewfull=1#post2053828723) and bad (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828346&viewfull=1#post2053828346). And I feel like Csargo has been dodgy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828699&viewfull=1#post2053828699) with some of their posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828408&viewfull=1#post2053828408). What I mean is with some of the language they use in these posts like.
and
make of it what you will. Yes I understand people have used my light usage of words against me too, but this feels next level. ~:handball:
think this is his last list prior to that post
my probably unfair take is that this feels kinda performative and it reminds me a lot of how i posted during D1 of dragonvale where i kept screaming my towncore was good and etc etc
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:18
tomorrow
If I end up going over, just know I'm confident in my towncore this game
Very confident
Least confident wolf read by a long shot is ladd.
Knowing how hit or miss I can be 2 wolves are in my light towns and if there's a wolf somewhere in my towncore, it's benneh
is EOD today or tomorrow? I suppose I can go check
tomorrow iirc
think this is his last list prior to that post
my probably unfair take is that this feels kinda performative and it reminds me a lot of how i posted during D1 of dragonvale where i kept screaming my towncore was good and etc etc
ngl this would be pretty slick if mafia
i can kinda see it as an antispew post if i force myself to look at it from w!cape pov
oh my god forget I ever said anything about cape, the vest, and ender. I was being as uncharitable as possible, I don't actually think that's what happened. It was a thought exercise in "how bad can I make this look", nothing more.
Clearly I don't believe that's what happened.
This post kinda strange tbh
Ye im not here today. been not at home during the day and im just gonna chill and not think about the game tonight, ill do some work tomorrow but im back to feeling like anything but cape is a mistake. F
the thing is that i went back and reviewed and those people didnt really have cape in their poe, a lot of them thought he was town. the consensusish poe by most dead towns was katze/hk
its fine if you think cape is mafia and want to go with that, you are not beholden to their opinions and its possible they are wrong
anyway like i said, try to detach a little bit. it helps. you can still give it ur all just dont put too much emotions on the line. remember its just a game.
this approach is just... not great sorry. Like, we can't have 4-5 different vote targets at the end of the day, and go into f3 with 50 different opinons but i guess thats whats going to happen.
tomorrow iirc
should have been more confident in that towncore.
Honestly, I was saying the thing about ladd because I felt that the people who I was thinking had more experience with ladd just were not speaking up about ladd
Katze, re Dolby wolf style I have seen him try to blend and I have seen him power wolf/openly wolf and he generally has more success with the power wolfing/openly wolfing style of play. After looking at his posts again he was 100% going for the power wolf sort of play and was trying to get people to town read Ender again. I don't think he had any idea he was going to be blown up.
probably dumb question but how do you define a wolf in "dead man walking" mode
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:25
think this is his last list prior to that post
my probably unfair take is that this feels kinda performative and it reminds me a lot of how i posted during D1 of dragonvale where i kept screaming my towncore was good and etc etc
ok, this reads list, lets think about it.
If Cape is town this reads list is god tier good.
There is nothing about cape to suggest he can't have god tier reads.
I was suspect of Csargo at that point in time as well (I think Cape and I ended on Csargo D1). Ladd being down there I think is a good look for Cape. Like Ladd wasn't at the time super suspect so Cape putting him there might have raised some questions. I'll go looking to see if it did.
Nobody should have had Monstr anywhere near their town reads, just go read his posts, they're bad.
Winston I'm not sure how Cape has him that low, that one needs some explaining I think.
Dobby being down there, again at that time, is something I can understand as well.
tbh I think the worst parts of that post are the Csargo explanations, not the reads themselves.
HK talking about how "uncharitable" or whatever they have been is just rubbing me the wrong way in general
ok, this reads list, lets think about it.
If Cape is town this reads list is god tier good.
There is nothing about cape to suggest he can't have god tier reads.
I was suspect of Csargo at that point in time as well (I think Cape and I ended on Csargo D1). Ladd being down there I think is a good look for Cape. Like Ladd wasn't at the time super suspect so Cape putting him there might have raised some questions. I'll go looking to see if it did.
Nobody should have had Monstr anywhere near their town reads, just go read his posts, they're bad.
Winston I'm not sure how Cape has him that low, that one needs some explaining I think.
Dobby being down there, again at that time, is something I can understand as well.
tbh I think the worst parts of that post are the Csargo explanations, not the reads themselves.
Ah yes, because villagers cannot have good reads lists (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35357-Pok%C3%A9maf-Generation-1-Mash?p=5916384&viewfull=1#post5916384)
My reads list is bad compared to the linked, just sayin ;)
Winston I'm not sure how Cape has him that low, that one needs some explaining I think.
i saw him explain it... somewhere
Rask is Winston, one of my top wolves...
yeah?
lol
You (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828465&viewfull=1#post2053828465) are (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828469&viewfull=1#post2053828469) reading (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828621&viewfull=1#post2053828621) the same (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828634&viewfull=1#post2053828634) Winston as I am right (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828619&viewfull=1#post2053828619)?
here it is
Ah yes, because villagers cannot have good reads lists (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35357-Pok%C3%A9maf-Generation-1-Mash?p=5916384&viewfull=1#post5916384)
My reads list is bad compared to the linked, just sayin ;)
"there is nothing to suggest he CAN'T have god tier reads"
I am town. You did misclear me because I'm nice. You should have miscleared me b/c of how many wolves were town reading me. Especially the ones that know they can push me across the line.
Really though the best reason I can say that I'm town is that I have too narrow of a POE to actually get the chops I need to win the game.
For me to really succeed here I need to keep as many options open as I can so that I can easily fall in line with "whatever the town pushes" instead of trying to clear people like katze and raskol.
a lot of people were calling raskol clear at this point
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:34
probably dumb question but how do you define a wolf in "dead man walking" mode
Shifting immediately into anti-spew so that when you do go over nothing you said can be used to help town / hurt your team. I don't think Dolby entered in anti-spew. For example while Ender did receive some amount of suspicion on D1 his wagon peaked here:
Players Votes
Enderwiggin 4 Raskolnikov, zack, Montmorency, nebjiamn
Montmorency 2 Csargo, Sunbae
Sleep 2 ladd, Newcomb
Csargo 2 Cape90, hollowkatt
Newcomb 2 Enderwiggin, Sleep
Raskolnikov 2 Monstrdude, Cuthillius
hollowkatt 1 Dobby
zack 1 Winston Hughes
Dobby 0
Cuthillius 0
katze 0
Sunbae 0
Winston Hughes 0
ladd 0
Cape90 0
nebjiamn 0
Monstrdude 0
another tally, pls check to make sure its okay
gonna try tinkering with the formatting
which is still very early into the game day
ignore all of that, the 4 vote Ender wagon was only 2 hours before the end of the day, I got my dates mixed up. Yes absolutely Dolby came into the game trying to power wolf the thread away from Ender and onto literally anyone else he could get their attention towards.
He appeared to be trying to read spew into Ladds posts, was trying to get the thread suspect of Monte, and was pretty hard defending Ender.
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:35
i saw him explain it... somewhere
lol
here it is
yeah I got there.
here it is
Okay but more explained version = he was very underwhelming and got free townreads over lazy postings because he was "likable"
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:36
a lot of people were calling raskol clear at this point
yeah and a lot of people have not been dumpstered by raskol wolf before. This game, at times, felt very similar to how he played our hydra game and how he wolfed against me on the syndicate very recently. So yeah, I had tinfoil on raskol till he flipped. I'll own that and dgaf
Okay but more explained version = he was very underwhelming and got free townreads over lazy postings because he was "likable"
But he did get wolf anyways so I can't be mad, nor can I say I didn't expect Winston to not die after the ladd flip
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:38
Ah yes, because villagers cannot have good reads lists (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35357-Pok%C3%A9maf-Generation-1-Mash?p=5916384&viewfull=1#post5916384)
My reads list is bad compared to the linked, just sayin ;)
Ummmm, katze already pointed this out but I said "there's nothing to suggest Cape Can't have god tier reads.
Your reads list, if you are town, is great! It's the commentary about Csargo in that post that I didn't like.
HK, if Dolby came to powerwolf, we all kinda saw through it there anyways, even I suspected Dolby
Ummmm, katze already pointed this out but I said "there's nothing to suggest Cape Can't have god tier reads.
Your reads list, if you are town, is great! It's the commentary about Csargo in that post that I didn't like.
You voted with me on Csargo so obviously you loved it
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:41
HK, if Dolby came to powerwolf, we all kinda saw through it there anyways, even I suspected Dolby
Dolby power wolfs vastly more often that he does anything else. I think if dolby had come into any other slot he probably isn't bombed there. Might still get wagoned but likely not bombed, at least not that quickly.
we all kinda saw through it there anyways
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Dolby power wolfs vastly more often that he does anything else. I think if dolby had come into any other slot he probably isn't bombed there. Might still get wagoned but likely not bombed, at least not that quickly.
Voting Dolby was on my mind, but then they exploded
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:43
You voted with me on Csargo so obviously you loved it
decidedly untrue. I had other reasons for voting csargo.
basically this post: 755 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829043&viewfull=1#post2053829043)
hollowkatt
05-03-2022, 23:44
Voting Dolby was on my mind, but then they exploded
shoulda gotten on my level
vote: dolby
my bones say this is the chop
:wall::wall::wall:
:thinking2:
me rn
fair enough to the "doing something" bit
i'll get back to you on my read on you later in the day if it still holds/becomes more concrete cause rn it's really just down to "i reread most of/some of D1 and my guts telling me it makes the most sense so far" (and i can conceivably see what dobby was saying earlier that you're trying to advocate to bring cape to F3 to ML him there)that is fair thinking! by the same coin there's a voice in my head that is saying "a scum!katze that sees i have reversed my read on cape and am now strongly townreading him needs to get rid of me to have the best possible path to victory" but im trying to suppress it
as for HK... i just feel like they have the most going for them? like:
imo they're the person who's coming at this game from the most genuine perspective, the way wolves treated them feels a lot like how they've treated villagers (a few of ladds posts on HK felt flat out like TMIing him town) and i honestly don't think HK would agree to be like, the designated deepwolf, tbqfh.
and ultimately they just feel like a villager to me? this is totally an experience im sure everybody can relate to when they just sometimes have players in the game that just Feel Like Town. wowee
i dont think its like...designated, exactly? things just happen and you find yourself in a spot. but anyway ill be going over his stuff because i dont fully feel that i agree. one of us is wrong here but i need to go into details to make it work
oh uhm on the point w/r/t ladd defending hk: this is obviously a more salient point from my perspective, because i know i am town, but ladd defended all of cape, katze, and hkon day 1. the only person he did not really address is dobby. as of right now idt its dobby. i can reread him to check but he has seemed very town to me for a lot of the game. i think ladds lack of commentary on dobby is largely a function of him not being present when ladd was posting more than anything else.
so to me the most likely answer is that ladd defended someone who was his partner. and to that end i dont think a defense, in and of itself, is clearing. timing and context have to be considered
that is fair thinking! by the same coin there's a voice in my head that is saying "a scum!katze that sees i have reversed my read on cape and am now strongly townreading him needs to get rid of me to have the best possible path to victory" but im trying to suppress it
i dont think its like...designated, exactly? things just happen and you find yourself in a spot. but anyway ill be going over his stuff because i dont fully feel that i agree. one of us is wrong here but i need to go into details to make it work
that's also a fair theory too, tbh! i did open up the day hinting at the fact i was less sure of it being Just Cape
i kinda wanna see how everyone else opens today before i talk more about who my confident townread is/who i think the mafia might be if not cape
until then uh
nyas quietly
but obviously that wasn't specific enough (by design) so you're allowed to theorize beyond it i don't mind :p
and yeah im well aware that sometimes a wolf who isnt rly supposed to be The Deepwolf goes deep on accident but i think HKs play is pretty townsidey in a way that i think, if mafia, he was expecting to go deep earlier
oh uhm on the point w/r/t ladd defending hk: this is obviously a more salient point from my perspective, because i know i am town, but ladd defended all of cape, katze, and hkon day 1. the only person he did not really address is dobby. as of right now idt its dobby. i can reread him to check but he has seemed very town to me for a lot of the game. i think ladds lack of commentary on dobby is largely a function of him not being present when ladd was posting more than anything else.
so to me the most likely answer is that ladd defended someone who was his partner. and to that end i dont think a defense, in and of itself, is clearing. timing and context have to be considered
it was less "ladd is defending HK" and more "i feel like ladd is shielding a player he thinks is an obvious villager because they're an obvious villager"
were a few posts that gave me that impression
idr if i ever elaborated on hollowkat villaread but he seems like a classic read deacay vote. I don't really seen him coming into a game with this pl as a wolf and making posts like:
its hard to believe that a wolf genuinely thoughts saying the red was a good idea
and this was a very villagery thought and something I believe he believes
imo
this one was the last one i read but iirc there were a few more
yeah, sure, I know a few alts but probably not all :p
town:
anonymous mountainous (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/32984) (started high effort, lost motivation, got tilted at being pressured by apoc, lost by misvoting in f3
18er SK game (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31167) (got overwhelmed with the pace of the game thread and was low effort, got MLed fr it eventually, reads weren't great. dobby was in that one as sk and i thought he looked super towny)
spec chat invitational (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31668) (another game where i feel like i wasnt that great and most of the town did the lifting, similar in that its a stacked playerlist)
EM theme game (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31997) (low effort town game where i wasnt great but was able to convince brad and hally to trust me in f5/f3)
coffee mafia (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2260) (nother low effort town game, lost the game by voting wrong in f5)
scum:
FGO II (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=86932&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=34771&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go) (anonymous game, made it to F3 but lost because it was a role madness game and i was mechanically poe'sthere were too many mech clears. might have had a chance if one of my partners didnt gamethrow by pulling a schweppes. i consider it a pretty bad game on my part but it might be the scum game i posted the best in)
open 841: pyp x/y (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=88427&f=51&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=21192&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go) (most recent completed scum game. my posting sucked in this one, i was playing a game with a lot of people who knew me and i couldnt shake suspicion on me, so i wound up faking demotivation and dragging my ass through the game. however, i managed to win it despite the game having several very skilled townies who had the correct POE at one point, because my partner and i dissociated enough to keep them from getting the solve. kind of a lucky game but im very proud to have won this one)
Mini Normal 2252 | W;ildlife amd strange critters (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=88352&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=35567&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go) (helped captain two less experienced partners through a game, thread was kind of a mess for town but i demonstrated good leadership skills at least? won a CC battle in 8p although my teammates nearly threw the game away after that)
Mini Normal 2224 | Garfield Minus Garfield (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=87222&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=18928&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go) (one of my partners got caught in RVS and i panic bussed, i got townread off it but ultimately lost because it was a cracked setup with 4 investigative roles)
Happy Face Mafia (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=86375&f=3&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&user_select%5B%5D=35567&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_select%5B%5D=0&user_sort=Go) (another game where my team had absolutely no motivation, i bussed them and rode a sketchy fakeclaim on top of my gladiator ability to victory, got very lucky the mechs broke the right way for me. there were parts of the game where i deliberately avoided posting real content or looking like i was solvng in the thread though, because I wanted the game to drag out and demotivate people)
v funny how much longer the descriptions for my scum games are
it was less "ladd is defending HK" and more "i feel like ladd is shielding a player he thinks is an obvious villager because they're an obvious villager"
were a few posts that gave me that impression
this one was the last one i read but iirc there were a few more
this is the thing: how do u differentiate that in your mind from ladd defending cape and going after me while declaring a "light villa read" or w/e on him? to me its just a guessing game as to which of his posts could be a partner defense
The problem I have with the HK vote/sus is that it's literally just POE with no case, which I feel would be easier to develop if we could actually see all of what HK has said this game easily. So basically I don't see the "legs" for the suspicion to stand on.
that's becausei haven't explained it yet! give me time lol
dobby still nowhere to be found, sleep gone from town list to being pushed, cape firmly where he was before and HK/i rising
hum
dobby basically had barely posted anything contentwise at the time of that post
i think ladd is the type where if his partner is getting v read in the thread he will take it and run with it
Ye im not here today. been not at home during the day and im just gonna chill and not think about the game tonight, ill do some work tomorrow but im back to feeling like anything but cape is a mistake. F
this approach is just... not great sorry. Like, we can't have 4-5 different vote targets at the end of the day, and go into f3 with 50 different opinons but i guess thats whats going to happen.
i dunno man. theres 5 people left in the game. we get 2 more cracks at it to get it right. its not as chaotic as you make it seem
[QUOTE=katze;2053832054]and yeah im well aware that sometimes a wolf who isnt rly supposed to be The Deepwolf goes deep on accident but i think HKs play is pretty townsidey in a way that i think, if mafia, he was expecting to go deep earlier /QUOTE]
i dont think its that townsidey
what i think it is, is somehing similar to how ender played out the game, where ender was lightly sussing his partners but never made a serious push for them. and patternwise it looks kinda similar here
i also think the way hes positioned himself is like...
he can make the claim to being right on suspecting the mafia but didnt really push any of them
and that kinda makes more sense as someone who is informed? as opposed to others being imperfect in their view of the game
anyway let me rr quick and try to make a case instead of responding to everything (although i might dip to watch basketball)
hollowkatt
05-04-2022, 01:34
i also think the way hes positioned himself is like...
he can make the claim to being right on suspecting the mafia but didnt really push any of them
and that kinda makes more sense as someone who is informed? as opposed to others being imperfect in their view of the game
anyway let me rr quick and try to make a case instead of responding to everything (although i might dip to watch basketball)
other than dobby and cape have I cased and "really pushed" anyone?
hollowkatt
05-04-2022, 02:12
other than dobby and cape have I cased and "really pushed" anyone?
Realistically though I am the weak link in a wolf team of Ladd, Monstr (and then Dolby), and Ender. I can have flashes of brilliance and can, when the stars align, town side my way to victory while only killing those I haven't pocketed and/or can't get chopped.
Look at my Bluey mafia win on TheSyndicate. I pushed a pack mate a bit on D1 for some credit, helped the thread dumpster JJJ when he subbed into a functionally outed slot, then killed the only people who were actively suspecting me on my way to winning in F3 with Syn and Dizzy and even then it only happened because Syn hates F3s and I took full advantage of that.
My win in my champs qualifier was due to laying down a hell-bus on Anaxagore starting literally from D1 and finally executing it on D3.
My other wolf wins I died early and the team carried, like Spec Chat S7 where I got Litten and Mistyx chopped D1/2, then ate the D3 while Holyflare and Vanity. took the game home.
Or in the original AtLA game on TheSyndicate where Seanzie did the majority of the heavy lifting AND lined up the soup kill that got us the game.
Generally speaking my wolf game is this: get 2-3 players chopped, lay down a metric fuckton of anti-spew b/c I know I'm going down eventually, then die and let the team go the rest of the way.
Am I self-meta posting? absolutely I am. Do I think my wolfing history is strongly indicative that it just can't be me? Absolutely I do.
oh uhm on the point w/r/t ladd defending hk: this is obviously a more salient point from my perspective, because i know i am town, but ladd defended all of cape, katze, and hkon day 1. the only person he did not really address is dobby. as of right now idt its dobby. i can reread him to check but he has seemed very town to me for a lot of the game. i think ladds lack of commentary on dobby is largely a function of him not being present when ladd was posting more than anything else.
so to me the most likely answer is that ladd defended someone who was his partner. and to that end i dont think a defense, in and of itself, is clearing. timing and context have to be considered
I don't recall defense of HK, could you bring that up?
I don't want this to like... become a repeat of this towngame i had where i got misvoted in final 3 https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/34863-Would-You-Like-To-Be-My-Neighbor
reading through Gira games, feeling a little drained for no reason so ima just read some of those and be inactive til later
I don't recall defense of HK, could you bring that up?
click through to the source:
idr if i ever elaborated on hollowkat villaread but he seems like a classic read deacay vote. I don't really seen him coming into a game with this pl as a wolf and making posts like:
its hard to believe that a wolf genuinely thoughts saying the red was a good idea
and this was a very villagery thought and something I believe he believes
imo
this was toward end of day 1 when there was a bit of suspicion on him
hollowkatt
05-04-2022, 04:16
click through to the source:
this was toward end of day 1 when there was a bit of suspicion on him
didn't benneh echo the read decay read?
i started writing a thing and i dont even know that i believe it
i started writing a thing and i dont even know that i believe it
post it anyway
real thing is i was tracking the dobby/hk argument to see how i feel about it and run smack dab into this cape post
man... 1604 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829958&viewfull=1#post2053829958) says nothing
I have a feeling mafia is Mont this game. Too many things keep piling up
Vote: Montmorency
which just kinda rubs me wrong in how it feels
thers still stuff that like...i get the feeling a lot of the stuff hk says is done to look towny rather than actually find scum but idk
post it anyway
i have 2 things and theyre only half-written, was kinda trying to trace the dobby/hk argument
do you still really wanna see it?
i have 2 things and theyre only half-written, was kinda trying to trace the dobby/hk argument
do you still really wanna see it?
ya kinda
idrc if you don't believe in it anymore it can still be helpful for solving (mostly solving you itc)
I saw a comment last night too from hk about me "not playing" or something which is kinda lol, Day 2 I was pretty much top posting, it's a weird approach from the one I pushed the hardest, I wasn't really discrete about it
no, I said you were so unmemorable it is like you're not playing.
Thats on you cuz I think I've been all over the game lol
sure.
I'll read your ISO dobby and let you know what I think of you.
Dobby Why are you town?
Like what's your claim to fame here
Can I throw it back at you and ask what things could point towards me being town if you like squint or whatever if you can't find anything? Halp me get into your head
I'm really happy with the way I've played this game. Most of my posts have been to try and like see what people's motivations are to doing what they do, howuch solving they're doing etc. And I'm not playing it safe, I think I'm pretty good at imitating toengame as wolf so it's hard for me to point at anything that stands out really because if there was something I'd actively work on removing that difference tbh, but I really want to say I know what to do as wolf, to look towny. I kinda know how to post to be safe enough that I'm consistently middle of the pack so I can get to endgame without it looking weird etc.
I also believe in the cases I've made, I've reevaluate a lot of my reads and actually followed up on the things I've written and I think my genuine will to solve is showing rather than it just being.. faked?
Idk it's not an easy question to answer and it kinda sounds like I'm honking my own horn here but just trying to keep it as real and honest as possible
so they have this exchange, they're kind of throwing jabs at each other, expressing suspicion of one another. hk comes back to deliver this wall:
Why Dobby could be town, an exercise in expanding my mind:
1. It's pretty early to sus on Ladd here but Dobby does it. No wolf at this point is super concerned with positioning nor is there any kind of indication that Ladd could potentially be at risk here. While it's a safe position for a wolf to take, drawing attention to the position by including it as one of only four stated positions I think is risky. Ladd would need to go over quickly (basically D1) for the read to not look like TMI
unfortunately this is it.
I've gone through the rest of your ISO and frankly I'd kill you for it. It's not super great. Like the post I'm replying to and the post I quoted above are your towniest posts to me. The rest are kinda meh with quite a few "wtf" thrown in there, specifically when addressing me/your read on me.
Like these:
I left the bold in there b/c I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion, but the main thing I want to point out are your thoughts on my post here. It's nothing but word salad designed to look smart while not actually saying anything other than, in a nut shell, "this is a post I dobby can make as a wolf therefore it can be from a wolf"
And this is the "extensive post about my reasoning" that you've referenced above
None of these posts are good tbh. newcomb was townie enough that he really shouldn't have been run up at all. Raskol sure, I'll buy that. I thought Rask had wolf potential headed into today as well. I think I've been obvs town, your mileage varies.
I feel like the last post quoted here is something I see quite a bit from wolves in general. Basically taking the position of "I don't really want either of these wagons but if I have to choose I'll take X" where X more often than not is a partner.
dolby flips wolf, I put pressure on monstr D1, you literally do not acknowledge that pressure nor address how I could be partnered with either dolby (who said I could be town) / monstr (who did not acknowledge my existence).
There's also this, which is just not true:
We're in D2 currently, you're not top posting. You weren't top posting D1. Even by vv lax definitions of top posting you're still (checks the ISO list) in the bottom half of post counts. It's whatever though, I don't expect total accuracy, just thought this was interesting to point out.
Then today is just a continuation of yesterday
Where's re-evaluations? Where's "maybe I'm wrong, I was wrong on monstr/dolby, I didn't want to participate in Ladd and that was wrong, maybe my reads aren't the greatest and I should stop and think"?
I have more respect for your game than to assume you're lost townie here basically.
anyways, vote: dobby might as well put my money where my mouth is.
this is...a post. the problem is it's trying to dumpster dobby with basic things like "you had incorrect reads on mafia so you are scum" and "you said you are top posting but you are not". thats...not really how finding scum works, its too basic, its a reductive argument, but its one ive pulled out when playing as mafia to justify a push.
here is dobbys rebuttal:
1) irl day 2, second half of d1 of that helps.
2) cool ty for doing that. It takes a lot for me to ever be top posting and even if im in thread q full day I'm not st the top
3) my read on monstr was based on a few things but also things I don't want/shouldn't talk about. I didn't think he'd tilt and react like that as wolf ever but obviously I was wrong.
4) associative reads or whatever it's called often turn out wrong at least for me so yeah even though j might do it at some point that wasn't anything I found useful to do
5) dolby tried to push me didn't he? I might be wrong about that
6) the "I didn't want to participate in ladd" is just wrong. I had sus on him throughout but I preferred you/rask at eod which I was very clear about. When I saw the wagons last minute after the shifts I was pretty clear about preferring ladd over newcom. I did suggest newcomb get the bomb because of his potential to be town and if so he'd be the best one to have the bomb. I don't think that reasoning was weird but apparently it was. And saying I don't prefer ladd/newcomb to you isn't weird when I still find it likelier for you to be wolf than the rest of the playerlist. Can't know if I'm wrong til you die, right? :)
Re reevaluations - I'm trying to actually take things that show up in consideration and have changed my reads based on that, for example on sleep that I pushed really hard early on and then got pretty convinced that he's town.
7) I wrote about your push on... I think it was ender, cba looking up, and how it didn't make sense, don't believe you've explained that part and it's one of the main reasons I still have my doubts on you.
8) saying I'm lost this game is extremely exaggerated just because I'm pushing you and was wrong on monstr. You're not helping me change my mind tbh
9) omgus? :p would you sus me if I didn't push you?
A fair bit of what you wrote there is straight up wrong or intentional misinterpretations of what I wrote and yeah it doesn't help in finding you town at all.
(i stopped here because i lost the thread of the argument and the followup posts made me less sure plus that cape post just felt so achingly fake)
then i was writing this and changed my mind and didnt finish and stuck it in my drafts:
dunno i think i kind of find the de-escalation from hk on dobby suspicious still in that it feels like its establishing a pocket:
like ideally we chop a wolf today. the next best thing after that would be removing someone from the POE via the chop.
I'd like to not die but if I'm going to, and I think dobby + vest = dead HK we might as well do me today and give dobby the vest for tomorrow instead of chopping "random town" today and having dobby blow me up tomorrow.
That's the line of thinking that got me there.
Ngl I've loved your posting and wim last couple of hours if that makes you feel any better. Like, it makes more sense than the.... fake case you made about me but this wim and stuff feels very towny in isolation if we skip anything before today's discussions. Granted I don't know your style but ye you're not my priority aorn
honestly same. I like today dobby a lot more than I liked ISO dobby
but idk. ive mentally biased myself to see
i tried to multiquote a bunch of posts and apparently theres a limit and now i have to go back and manually clear them lol
forum software not meant for playing this dumb nerd game
is it a limit i thought the forum just kept breaking on me earlier and im already pretty used to sticking quotes in a notepad to format posts better so it wasnt thaaaat hard to get around. the posts should unquote after a post or two
also acknowledged the posts, kinda trying to relax so i don't want to process it all rn. or rly play mafia. just kinda here cause i had the tab open :wowee:
OTOH this at the start of the game is what pinged me on a reread:
this is guaranteed to bite me in the ass but katze has too many votes too quickly and therefore is town.
Ender otoh is not.
vote: ender
Yeah I can. He feels stilted, like his content is forced, and that he's struggling to get into the groove of the game.
I tend to ego solve and compare what people are doing to what I'd be doing in their positions. This would tangentially apply to cape as well tbh:
If I were a wolf in this player list I'd be extremely concerned with making the towniest posts I could make and trying to fit in with the overall flow of the game so as not to get caught out immediately. Unfortunately when I do that I tend to be really obvs a wolf as I'm basically trying too hard. Ender (and Cape) feel like they're trying too hard.
The downside to ego solving is that other people are not me (I know, this is a shocking revelation) and don't necessarily react to things the same way I would. This isn't stopping me from making the read.
And before someone asks, my "no chop" vote is totally legit. This is a player list I am going to struggle to read and seeing who dies over night if we don't chop anyone might help in solving. Otherwise I'm likely going to just sheep someone I town read that I perceive is smarter than I am, or be on some weird vanity wagon at the end of the day.
So I figured I'd throw out not chopping as an option, see what people think of that, and go from there.
and yeah I'm being serious
Spicy take
I don't think anyone's been villagy
feels like spicy for the sake of spicy
in my defense I have not read the setup at all but judging by this reaction my idea is stupid af.
gonna go back to killing ender then, I think they could use some "hey do something townie" pressure
vote: ender
I think this take applies to all their posts tbh
vote: monster
some time tonight I'm gonna put together a reads list. I think monster belongs at the bottom of it.
Suddenly there are pages.
Hi Ender are you town?
Yes.
I just want it said I don't like this post.
I'm going to point out that last time I was actually wolf with you (Hello remember when I literally cased you and got you voted out and I was red?) I was townread and no one thought I was struggling to get into thread.
This honestly feels a VERY weird take on me given that the game I'm talking about was the last time HK and I played together. For him to seriously believe I would struggle to get my groove on as wolf is...
Kinda honestly wolfy.
I don't believe you
Well shucks.
ok, so what gives then? Why does it seem like this game is harder to get into for you?
If you're villager shitposting and tossing off ideas should be fairly straightforward.
The unspoken part of that read I made on you is that this player list is vastly different than that player list and I also did say I was ego solving there and I would struggle as wolf to get established in this list.
You dumpstered me last game, hard, and of course I'm going to be wary of you in this game because of that.
Go be town and do townie things and I'll call you town. Till then I won't.
ikr, soz.
outside of me who else do you think is sus? maybe we can talk and I'll change my mind.
I was having fun memeing at the start so unless you're talking about the sharp gear change on ben idk what you're talking about harder to get into.
Uh lemme parse my thoughts into lists.
I dislike Ladd's treatment of me particularly. The read on me (The whole "Backwards quoting" thing) feels entirely forced and also liiiike, unrealistic.
Raskol is obvious scum because of his lack of posts.
Sunbae I was leaning townish but the whole Monstr/Cuth read feels like he realised he fucked up and backed up. Pending explanation that makes my brain do the good wobly jelly I'm going to stare at him.
Monstr feels weaksauce.
I was townreading Cape but the whole Sleep thing is making me wonder.
maybe it was that I didn't think your memes were funny.
Your first 10 or so posts are the ones I felt were "off", and that off-ness I read as "difficulty trying to get into the game"
After that you do improve so meh
cool I can work with that.
Ok, I think sunbae is town. I think I might be the only person who thinks that but i found their early game posting very free flowing and natural. His early posts regarding the suicide bomber felt townie to me in terms of "lets do something bombastic and then relax in dvc for the rest of the game" vs "do the hard work of solving, staying alive, and pushing people".
I get that can also be read as wolfy, I think it's not though.
I also like, and jibe with, the "shield dobby d1" post he made for basically the reasons he articulated. Dobby can be super strong but also can just kinda fold to early pressure even as town, and if dobby is town he'd be an asset for sure (not like this is saying much, the entire thread is an asset tbh).
even if sunbae is wrong here:
it doesn't mean it's not a town way of thinking about things. If sun was doing hard pushes on cape maybe I'd have a different opinion but this reads like a "hey I noticed a thing, anyone else notice a thing" more than a hard push.
I officially rescind my N0 red on Raskol and want to keep him alive for today. I think he's a super easy push for later today b/c he's not posted and he'll likely struggle to catch up if/when he does start posting, but being absent is not a wolf tell for Raskol.
Being a meme filled pockety jerk is though. Just fyi.
I have no read on Ladd but probably should come up with something. Cuth I think can be town, Monstr I think can be a wolf. Mostly b/c his ISO sucks a lot and by sucks a lot I mean it is entirely too short AND filled with things that read like they're spicy for the sake of being spicy, not actually things he believes in.
Well.
I found me funny.
This isn't a real thought it was one post
vote: hollowkat
I said what I meant and meant what I said.
this was a big chunk iof hks early game content. the ender argument on a reread feels weak? the thing that bothered me the most is the line i bolded in there. it feels like hes looking for an excuse to stop voting ender and start voting someone else. for two people calling each other wolfy theyre being...diplomatic about it.
the monstr stuff is just, like, "spicy for the sake of being spicy" is kind of a wack response to something that was said sardonically and monstr biting back at him feels distance-y as well
possible im overthinking it but this stuff i found suspicious on a look back
anyway im having fun surprisingly!
good night
hollowkatt
05-04-2022, 05:30
I think monstr made that post because his content thus far sucked. So he tried a pretty traditionally wolfy way of looking engaged and solving.
I called his bluff and all he did was get mad and vote me.
oops forgor to check back in :skull: this sites lack of emoji support is tragic
mmmm.
brain is kinda. niarb. eim(m).
i feel like no matter what i do the end of day is going to be me being really nervous and scared and the thought of that is making me nervous and scared
am i still voting sleep? idk
vote: unvote for posterity, or something. this isn't me saying i townread them or anything it's just i wanted to Apply A Vote Outside Of Cape for a bit.
i feel like i should have more to say but i kinda just don't
like, i asked sleep to post their incomplete posts and then read it and it was kinda just words to me. i wanna call it kinda villagery but idk if i can.
i havent read the entirety of D2 but im rereading around the EoD rn before i close the thread so i have some more juices to marinate in my head
and like. theres some posts by ender/cape that i look at and im like "dude, cape is a villager. it's so fucking clear, ender doesn't care about who dies." and "cape literally has no clue whats going on lol"
and then i see shit like
Vote: Newcomb
I honestly feel like joining this and providing a juicy counterwagon, now I wanna compare Mont since I know it's kinda easy to sus them for their latest posting musings which I also found quite wolfy and made me wanna plant.
But I am starting to think this is a good push and I wanna revisit some of Mont's walls
I think I like katze's post responding to me and think it makes a good point
and then remember that cape thought this was a case on ender??? and then im like "what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what what"
then you've got this right after
Ender: "After long debate and strenuous thought, I think Newcomb might actually be town."
Also Ender:
Vote: Newcomb
Ehhhhhhh actually fuck
Vote: Cape
I still feel pretty good about my whole "Unnecessary action" read around Neb/Newcomb ><
and im like
what the fuck are these hooligans doing and my brain feels like it's easily naturally pairing the two together because they're really doing the same thing
Vote: Montmorency
I kinda don't have a lot of time to mull over everything
but I have the feeling that if Newcomb is a wolf, they created some very strange reasons to both townread and wolfread people that feels less cut and dry then... actually most of everyone in the game which does show a certain level of foresight on their end. Even if I feel like some of the content has been a little wobbly from that wall
since cape goes on to vote off of newcomb right after
honestly i don't know if i understand the read in that post i just quoted but if it means what i think it means it might actually be p villagery
I feel like you have been soft defending me
any reasons really behind this?
I feel like you have barely engaged with my content
but this feels wolfy to me though and it kinda feels like a post a wolf would write to kinda trap someone in the last few minutes of the day, either to stumble them or to give indecisive villagers a nice flashy post that looks bad for a player whos PoEd
the problem with that world is ender is voting cape
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Players Votes
Montmorency 4 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov, Cape90)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
Newcomb 2 (Montmorency, katze)
EnderWiggin 1 (Dobby)
Cuthillius 1 (hollowkatt)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
and like, my brain sees that cape post as a plausible desperate-to-survive wolf post... while their teammate is on them? that just feels weird. it doesn't really make that much sense.
Vote: Newcomb
fine
if I die, I think Ender should be at least double checked, like where they at?
and then cape swaps back to newcomb (to which HK quickly follows, timestamps are a minute apart but iirc these votes were pretty close so ill assume it was a crosspost)
Players Votes
Newcomb 4 (Montmorency, hollowkatt, katze, Cape90)
Montmorency 3 (Newcomb, zack, Raskolnikov)
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
katze 1 (Cuthillius)
EnderWiggin 2 (Dobby, Sunbae)
tally correct, ordering isnt
which brings us here again
I'm 100% vesting dobby
i kinda dont want that vest
which means its probably good lol
also this post is kinda thonk but i dont want to overthink it
...this post is turning into "me rambling about EoD2" now huh. okay well i still don't know what this means because i think capes eod2 is kinda wolfy but also enders eod2 alongside capes feels... weird to be aligned?
food for thought, i guess
i can't say capes posting today has been inspiring and i want it to be cape but i can't say with good faith that my confidence in w!cape is the same as it was yesterday (game, not irl)
spoiled the above because this post accidentally became way longer than intended
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Players Votes
Cape90 1 (Dobby)
hollowkatt 1 (Sleep)
believe this is correct
im mulling over those posts and yeah its uh
strange
ender voting newcomb to get momentum there and then pulling it back to cape is strange
because...why would he do that to a partner??
otoh...why would he do it to a villager??
the short answer is probably he just did crazy things to mess with us and futz up associations and reading into it too deeply is going to drain your sanity meter
on the other hand
Cape90 3 (nebjiamn, Sleep, EnderWiggin)
and yea im kinda lost on what cape is doing today
i saw that post and your monty push
you don't really push lhf like you did monty as a villager ime, in fact I think 1 of yours (and visor actually) biggest villa tells is that you tend to see the "what if they are a vilager angle" of the so called easy mislunches, like you are doing with cape for example (regardless of whether or not he is a villager)
...
2) i am saying your push on cape is wolfy, cape is a thin villa lean for me. the 2 things can cohexist
...
Hi have not had a good morning (yes it's 7pm and my day is maybe starting now) but ill try to be here last hours of the day. I have barely skimmed the posts today but ill put some effort into it after I come back from my parents
As in I'll try to reread hk
I think me letting g go of my push there was at first "okay I'll try to play this as if I see hk as town" and then it was combined with a lot of people Expressing good stuff on him so I was like "okay iwas probably tunneled"
But yeah I should reassess both hk and you. And katze as well for that matter. I'll probably be selective in what I choose to read but if you want to point t me towards anything you feel is significant please do (and with a ping so I can find it)
i quoted some stuff from it, in particular the early game with ender concerned me
but as i read more in your argument i figured you might be right after all. and i when i refreshed myself on how the wolves ACTUALLY TALKED about cape vs how they talked about katze or hk, it made a lot more sense. the defenses of cape were...qualified. it didnt have the same confidence as with hk
also iunno kinda buying his selfmeta here even if thats fakeable
i should maybe give a little narration to my solving process here so maybe itll help:
generally the way things go is, i look at the game,i form reads in my head, and then i throw something out there. the words to explain it come AFTER i have the read. and so what happened is i reread hollowkatt at the start of the day and got suspicious of some stuff and threw my vote out there. it was a feeling.
but then when i went back to try to actually put words to it...it felt like i was forcing the case? the feelings in my head didnt really translate to tangible thoughts that looked good. so i began to doubt my read there, cuz if i cant put good words to it it probably means theres a flaw in my thinking and its not actually right. thats what happened here.
i should maybe give a little narration to my solving process here so maybe itll help:
generally the way things go is, i look at the game,i form reads in my head, and then i throw something out there. the words to explain it come AFTER i have the read. and so what happened is i reread hollowkatt at the start of the day and got suspicious of some stuff and threw my vote out there. it was a feeling.
but then when i went back to try to actually put words to it...it felt like i was forcing the case? the feelings in my head didnt really translate to tangible thoughts that looked good. so i began to doubt my read there, cuz if i cant put good words to it it probably means theres a flaw in my thinking and its not actually right. thats what happened here.
I've kinda done the same tbh and it's how I often approach mafia games tbh. I've had problems with tunneling so I'm trying my best to go like, wait I need to chill, as the hk situation for one. Let's pretend hk is town, and then I just go into a role where I think hk is town and reread and try to do it with a new pair of eyes tbh. If it works that's cool and I chill a bit on that front, if not, I go back to the tunnel and my casing is like, why did I go back here lol
It's what I tried the other day, and katze got a lot of + and cape got a lot of -. I did have some doubts with cuth so I can't really say I was fighting that yeet but yeah
The forcing the case thing is very relatable but it's very hard to identify when you've crossed the line tbh.
I also tend to like, exaggerate stuff I notic/see in my head. Especially with time. And then I go back and I can only find one or two posts that strengthen my read and am like oops. I'd say it's often enough, but to convey to others why I feel strongly about it is way harder
i quoted some stuff from it, in particular the early game with ender concerned me
but as i read more in your argument i figured you might be right after all. and i when i refreshed myself on how the wolves ACTUALLY TALKED about cape vs how they talked about katze or hk, it made a lot more sense. the defenses of cape were...qualified. it didnt have the same confidence as with hk
Oh and glad to hear this tbh
One more thing
I just wanted to explain my attitude the other dya. I felt like you went into the day kinda demoralised? And like, "idc ill do what I want to and if it doesn't work out tough luck" and it kinda put me off the whole game combined with a whiny mood in general, because it felt like a recipe for bad things. I realise I got it wrong (at least to some extent, or more lol) but seeing the posts today brought back my wim and then some. I know a f3 dituation will mean other people's reads will matter very little for the ones in it but I think anything but me dying would be really weird here (kekw see you in f3) so I want to at least try to like, convey what I see, not saying its better than anyone else's reads at all but just, adding a viewpoint to someone's total picture of stuff would be a win tbh (even if imnwrong,,,)
One more thing
I just wanted to explain my attitude the other dya. I felt like you went into the day kinda demoralised? And like, "idc ill do what I want to and if it doesn't work out tough luck" and it kinda put me off the whole game combined with a whiny mood in general, because it felt like a recipe for bad things. I realise I got it wrong (at least to some extent, or more lol) but seeing the posts today brought back my wim and then some. I know a f3 dituation will mean other people's reads will matter very little for the ones in it but I think anything but me dying would be really weird here (kekw see you in f3) so I want to at least try to like, convey what I see, not saying its better than anyone else's reads at all but just, adding a viewpoint to someone's total picture of stuff would be a win tbh (even if imnwrong,,,)
oh sorry lol
i WAS demoralized but i was kind of trying to not let it make me just completely give up and i wanted to do something different with my thinking rather than psyching myself out? the thing is i tend to get paranoid and choke a lot in endgames and my feeling was "oh no i ont want this to happen again"
but i think im in a better headspace now because i just decided, you know what, im just gonna try and if it doesnt work out thats ok
nya
we're gonna vote wrong today and then im gonna die overnight
nya
we're gonna vote wrong today and then im gonna die overnight
this is my way of warning the last wolf that ive never voted wrong in f3 (outside of turbos but that doesnt count) glgl
youtube keeps recommending me wii sports bowling videos what the hell
fine i guess ill play mafia
reading through Gira games, feeling a little drained for no reason so ima just read some of those and be inactive til later
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You're just doing this to be top poster
But I giggled
the short answer is probably he just did crazy things to mess with us and futz up associations and reading into it too deeply is going to drain your sanity meter
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i think "why would he do it to a villager" has a much more obvious answer tho (he doesnt care who goes over)
You're just doing this to be top poster
But I giggled
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not really i was just opening capes iso and saw that was the last post :wowee:
(i dont actually know if i have a read on that being his last post tbh? idk i guess it depends how/if he comes back)
vote: cape
to be perfectly honest i'm not too sure if this is the answer. but reading today... dobby is probably right that we kinda have to do this. unless cape comes in and posts his heart out in the next 5(?) hours then i don't think he ever doesn't get voted in F3 and his posting today isn't exaaaaactly selling me.
if this is wrong im probably not dying tonight because #TheFear but if i do then disregard all of my reads glgl
probly not going to be actively f5ing but should be here a few hours before EOD
i have run around in a circle and am okay with our direction for today
and if its wrong and it goes to f3 i welcome it with open arms
i hate how calm you are about that
this isn't a read just. im hella uncertain and absolutely not welcoming a F3, lmao.
i hate how calm you are about that
this isn't a read just. im hella uncertain and absolutely not welcoming a F3, lmao.
i felt that way and the start of the phase
and then i realized none of this matters
Players Votes
Cape90 3 (Dobby, Sleep, katze)
hollowkatt
05-04-2022, 21:53
probs if F3 is me, dobby, x I'm windmill slamming a vote on dobby and closing the browser.
hollowkatt
05-04-2022, 22:14
vote: cape
god I hope this is a hit.
Players Votes
Cape90 4 (Dobby, Sleep, katze, hollowkatt)
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So Sleep feels like they are kinda just in their own world this game which doesn't fit their mafia games I think. That also reminds me of their sunya hydra game thing.
Okay as a note about what I said about not wanting to get bomb, it was because I already had my moment in the katze hosted game
I think it's now HK and not katze mostly becasue the effort kinda hasn't been there for me compared to everybody else this game
Vote: Hollowkatt
Final 3, I urge you to just vote here.
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oh this problem will be pretty bad in final 3, so I suggest me die now as bad as that sounds, I am gonna point you in the right direction which is HK very likely. If somebody can actually find holes in Sleep's game this game, I will be very impressed
probs if F3 is me, dobby, x I'm windmill slamming a vote on dobby and closing the browser.
LMAO no what?
Problem with this game is like, nobody is casing anybody that isn't katze/me/hk lmao
you know what
I will just try to do that myself.
Thing about Dobby!mafia is that they have kinda conf!biased themselves on me, even yesterday and I find that slightly towny as they haven't been all drifty like... literally everyone else. However, because of this it kinda makes them the I suppose "odd one out". Though this leads to the question "why would mafia Dobby want to stick out like a sore thumb vs everyone else?"
Problem with this game is like, nobody is casing anybody that isn't katze/me/hk lmao
you know what
I will just try to do that myself.
okay
Hi
I'm sorry I was sadgeing yesterday it just felt like game shouldn't be this complicated rn and clear indication that it won't be getting easier.
What has happened now is that yeah everyone is a valid alternative and I'm not gonna say that I really wanted exactly this not to happen but uh yeah what's done is done i guess
I don't know what it'll take to change my read on cape, I feel like I was very thorough yesterday looking into cape/cuth /katze. I did not however look into hk and sleep properly except for like single comments but I guess I need to do that today even though I really didn't want to.
It's just kinda weeeeeh that we had a few people that a lot of smart people agreed should be the poe, and the more of them have died, the more we forget about this, and now we might take 2 of those into f3 and I feel like the reevaluation slash rereading that has just "started" could've been done a week ago and this wouldn't be the situation
I'm probably also just being mean and salty about it and it's not meant personally at all, its still a fun game and you're all great people, I just want to like, win tbh
I have mixed opinions on Dobby posts like this
Like again, Dobby's worldview has been fairly static, fairly set on me. Now here Dobby is complaining about how "everything is so complicated, weh", when to me, Dobby presented a pretty clear reason to think that it's me via some interaction with mafia I guess.
That doesn't sound that complicated to me. Dobby says themselves that
I don't know what it'll take to change my read on cape
Which would pretty literally solidify Dobby voting me. So what's the problem?
The most uncharitable take on this would be that Dobby knows that I am town and wants a misvote on me to occur. (obviously the most charitable take is that it's genuine)
Dobby was suspecting katze after Mont died
derp
Players Votes
Cape90 4 (Dobby, Sleep, katze, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 1 (Cape90)
idk if youve done it but i really want each of you to
1) first only read ender's d1 posts
2) read how he talks to, and about katze
3) read how he talks to, and about cuth (for a bigger frame of reference)
4) read how he talks to, and about cape
that's the key to this
he is treating katze and cuth like villagers.
I think this post pairs interestingly with my flip and IDK what it means for katze
I seem to be the only one that thinks its kind of a 50/50 here in likelihood between cuth and cape, everyone else is kinda certain and it doesn't make sense to me tbqh based on what I've read from them etc. I genuinely think capes activity today is the reason for most of it rather than actual content but that might just be my brain saying stuff
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Either way, don't clear cape on his iso only, you need to look at the flipped wolves I think. I feel like d1 was pretty easy to follow in that regard. If you feel like it's too much open a page and ctrl f cape or ender
okay okay
this could be a yikes
Im watching a movie but kwep thinking about this game
Sleep you say you read capes iso and don't see how he's wolf
I say, read his interactions with the woofs, and read katze/cuth interactions. Specifically with ender. I quoted a lot of those relevant posts and some thoughts on them. You can't just watch his posts in isolation, that's not super useful atp.
I don't mind a cuth vote either because yeah I wrote why a few times but I think cape is the hit
Unvote: Hollowkatt
GDI now im paranoid this could just be mafia. Maybe I am just laughably bad at getting experianced wolf. If I was wolf, I would be very caught and obvious by now, ask katze
i lied im lurking
but yeah this post about kat was the post before that readslist (also i thought this was a 15er so someone else is prolly missing too)
yeah this other post im quoting exists too and i only read sleep there but youre in it too so my b (but its still the same read that ive pointed out a few times)
in the quoted, Ender also treats me like town
On the other hand, I have reasons to believe this might be Cape's towngame. Or at least that he does several of the things he's being poked about as both alignments. I recently sussed them hard for a similar game and they were green that game.
curious
okay i think i got what i wanted out of that
rask is my top town
i had a few points pro sleep in my reread of day 1 but i think ive been the most lenient towards sleep so if in f3 situation id dive deep into their iso again and stuff, but not until then.
hollowkatt probably just town but will be in f3 (get rekt son)
katze looks decent actually from how theyve approached the day, has a big focus on newcomb and the interactions just seem to be like, digging into stuff in a genuine way. ender interactions really looks like ender tries to pocket kat with focus on persuading kat of stuff in situations that dont make sense for a w/w pairing. but also #thefear
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i think enders parked vote on cape d2 can legit be a oh no i voted a teammate up for contention and if i change my vote itll be obvious.
i think ender's comment in his readslist on cuth is actually a good look for cuth.
but cuths vote on ladd d1 can definitely be a wolf vote since, it was vote nr 2 and then ladd got 3 votes last minute. but ladd was pr so hm weh.
cuth has some wolfy posts slash some hmthonk opinions early on especially in hindsight with the flips. cuth played it really similarly to the haunted by slep game that i linked, where theres a "doomed teammate" but ladd was less so than mr i feel like, maybe.
cape just, looks by far the worst with the flipped wolf interactions though.
i do agree with some others that cape posting in bursts is a decent look, but honestly something ive done as well to avoid wolffatigue. theres also a readslist that looks alright but i think in hindsight i dont want to give it too much cred since ender was always the deep one among those 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053828731&viewfull=1#post2053828731)
and the thing where ender wrote a list of 14 names and cape was the one missing is.... weh lol weh lol weh
I am very doubtful i'll vote someone other than cape today. if it's not cape it's cuth
if it's neither have fun in f3
Vote: Cape90
Just noticed that sleep isn't on this list
Just noticed that sleep isn't on this list
im the second line there
I kinda don't think it's dobby though, though I am kinda bugged out that Dobby called me/Cuth 50/50 when Dobby clearly favored me and wasn't really casing Cuth, like, at all, in fact he like quoted something and called it "lol if Cuth is wolf and did this" soz
hollowkatt
05-04-2022, 23:42
LMAO no what?
nobody read my "why can everyone be town and why can everyone be wolf" post did they? I specifically said my dobby wolf reasons don't apply till F3
oh, Dobby put sleep in the middle of that second line.
Thing about Dobby!mafia is that they have kinda conf!biased themselves on me, even yesterday and I find that slightly towny as they haven't been all drifty like... literally everyone else. However, because of this it kinda makes them the I suppose "odd one out". Though this leads to the question "why would mafia Dobby want to stick out like a sore thumb vs everyone else?"
dobby!mafia... has confbiased themselves on you?
me and ender also had some arguments and cross voted, i guess that could be faked too but yea. And my first scumlean i voiced in the game was on ladd. not that those things should matter but yea.
I have mixed opinions on Dobby posts like this
Like again, Dobby's worldview has been fairly static, fairly set on me. Now here Dobby is complaining about how "everything is so complicated, weh", when to me, Dobby presented a pretty clear reason to think that it's me via some interaction with mafia I guess.
That doesn't sound that complicated to me. Dobby says themselves that
Which would pretty literally solidify Dobby voting me. So what's the problem?
The most uncharitable take on this would be that Dobby knows that I am town and wants a misvote on me to occur. (obviously the most charitable take is that it's genuine)
This is uncharitable at best. I spent HOURS yestergameday on reading through interactions and d1 and eod1. When i went into that i was kinda locked in on katze with a side sus on cuth. THAT was when i changed my mind on you. For it to be confbias i need to like... have something i find proof for when i read back? I'm pretty sure i wrote +es and -es for all of you, and i came out of THAT with a scumread on you.
Saying my worldview has been static is a lie. If you mean this gameday, yes i guess so - since i havent played today. I've said i will, and that i would hopefully reread hk/sleep/kat closer to eod, and im here now. Not that ill have time to do a lot, but its straight up not true what youre writing here.
And to comment on this
The most uncharitable take on this would be that Dobby knows that I am town and wants a misvote on me to occur. (obviously the most charitable take is that it's genuine)
This is also just, an attempt at making a read that just falls flat. If I know you are town, I WANT you in the f3. If I know you are town, I don't try to vote you out for two days before f3 to prevent myself from having just a slam dunk situation in f3. The logic in this doesn't check out at all.
alright, checks out tbh.
can i just ask about the bolded tbh. I have stated a few times why i think this is exactly how katze wolf needs to play to win and i hope you read it and understood my viewpoint and if not let me know and ill try to rewrite it til you get how it could make sense for me because i feel like its vital to get that specific thing before deciding where you land
the cape read you're describing there - is that a thing he does as town or as wolf? I think its a kinda weak thing in meta terms ish but alrgugt.
And if it's a read on how cape plays as town, you are voting him now y tho
dobby misunderstanding that the meta read is about katze and not me :wowee:
Unvote: Hollowkatt
GDI now im paranoid this could just be mafia. Maybe I am just laughably bad at getting experianced wolf. If I was wolf, I would be very caught and obvious by now, ask katze
I genuinely have a hard time parsing this as genuine at all and you're doing yourself no favours here.
I kinda don't think it's dobby though, though I am kinda bugged out that Dobby called me/Cuth 50/50 when Dobby clearly favored me and wasn't really casing Cuth, like, at all, in fact he like quoted something and called it "lol if Cuth is wolf and did this" soz
yeah that was very back and forth and evolved towards the end, i'm sure my trail of thoughts was there in my stream of conciousness type of posting.
i do see/saw clear reasons for calling you a wolf. for cuth it was more like "it could be".
dobby misunderstanding that the meta read is about katze and not me :wowee:
w... what?
BTW a thought I had was that..
When you're the last wolf alive, it's way harder to find anything legit to scumread you for/find you compared to if you are alive with teammates. You basically don't have to fake anything other than on a very very surface level. Also meaning that at this stage, it's easy to find someone's wording not like, 100% making sense or a misuse of a word or whatever, but that kinda shouldn't mean anything really because that applies to everyone allowed in the game. I think at least.
dobby!mafia... has confbiased themselves on you?
me and ender also had some arguments and cross voted, i guess that could be faked too but yea. And my first scumlean i voiced in the game was on ladd. not that those things should matter but yea.
This is uncharitable at best. I spent HOURS yestergameday on reading through interactions and d1 and eod1. When i went into that i was kinda locked in on katze with a side sus on cuth. THAT was when i changed my mind on you. For it to be confbias i need to like... have something i find proof for when i read back? I'm pretty sure i wrote +es and -es for all of you, and i came out of THAT with a scumread on you.
Saying my worldview has been static is a lie. If you mean this gameday, yes i guess so - since i havent played today. I've said i will, and that i would hopefully reread hk/sleep/kat closer to eod, and im here now. Not that ill have time to do a lot, but its straight up not true what youre writing here.
And to comment on this
This is also just, an attempt at making a read that just falls flat. If I know you are town, I WANT you in the f3. If I know you are town, I don't try to vote you out for two days before f3 to prevent myself from having just a slam dunk situation in f3. The logic in this doesn't check out at all.
1) okay on that first post, I kinda rambled a but, I meant to say if dobby is mafia, I think they are conf biasing themselves on me as in it could be a thing that is faked.
2) You said something along the lines of "oh I wanna read sleep/hk/kat by eod but i'm too lazy rn" and I don't think you ever got around to it. Feel like it's been static on me for at least a good 4 days with possible fake attemtps to actually look outside me, only to just wrap around back to me.
3) Okay we can argue semantics all we want, but technically if you are mafia, you know that everybody is town. That is a universally excepted fact for everyone here right now obviously. Henceforth, I want to change my wording to "you know that I am a town that would be easy to misvote over other town" which I feel like is true. I didn't think my most uncharitable thing is what I was thinking, it was more of a hypothetical as I believe you to just be town the more I read back.
-Only thing I am worried about is the constant "look at the interactions that mafia have with cape, not cape's ISO" thing that you have been perpetuating which to me, it looks scummy, but at the same time, I could see this as like, just a town thing.
-For the last hour I wanna focus on Sleep's ISO, close the curtains on Dobby, thank you very much. Personally, I would probably keep you alive in a final 3 scenario unlike HK who I would probably not? but good show
w... what?
Look back at the post at the bolded that you bolded on HK, it was mentioning meta looking good for katze, not myself.
They kinda jumped from talking about katze right into me
I genuinely have a hard time parsing this as genuine at all and you're doing yourself no favours here.
Good thing I am flipping anyway so you don't fucking have to until I flip :)
afk for dinner back in 30 or so
like ideally we chop a wolf today. the next best thing after that would be removing someone from the POE via the chop.
I'd like to not die but if I'm going to, and I think dobby + vest = dead HK we might as well do me today and give dobby the vest for tomorrow instead of chopping "random town" today and having dobby blow me up tomorrow.
That's the line of thinking that got me there.
I am literally so confused by this whole thing in the bolded
Here's a long post about cuth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831512&viewfull=1#post2053831512)
And here's the next post, also about Cuth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831515&viewfull=1#post2053831515)
The summarizing comment was
like, yeah, cuth makes sense
So you saying i was static and locked in on you is.. well at least not only on you I guess
Here's a VCA re d1, i've green/redmarked the flipped people (except for rask) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831516&viewfull=1#post2053831516)
Still 3 people that haven't flipped on the Newcomb wagon, here's the summary of that fmpov
i kinda hate that those are the names on newcomb wagon
id say maybe its a good look for cuth that he wasnt on any of the main wagons but he wasnt there during the eod, and vanity wagon easy way to avoid the spotlight
if it needs saying sleep is town, there's no way two wolves vote cape here for no reason when there's nothing at stake (im usually wrong when im confident about something)
cape vote is self pres onto monty and then changes vote to newcomb to make him top wagon. i think from a t!cape perspective it makes sense that he has two counterwagons to himself and he selfpresses onto whoever he thinks is more likely scum?
hollowkatts voting pattern here is nai, rask is locked onto monty shrug not meaningful
The sleep post isn't supposed to be there but considering monstr has flipped wolf and cuth has flipped town, this is an awfully awfully wolfy post from you. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831517&viewfull=1#post2053831517)
More quotedumping about/with all of you (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831520&viewfull=1#post2053831520)
and more... (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053831521&viewfull=1#post2053831521)
tldr "static" is an interesting way of describing it
1) okay on that first post, I kinda rambled a but, I meant to say if dobby is mafia, I think they are conf biasing themselves on me as in it could be a thing that is faked.
2) You said something along the lines of "oh I wanna read sleep/hk/kat by eod but i'm too lazy rn" and I don't think you ever got around to it. Feel like it's been static on me for at least a good 4 days with possible fake attemtps to actually look outside me, only to just wrap around back to me.
3) Okay we can argue semantics all we want, but technically if you are mafia, you know that everybody is town. That is a universally excepted fact for everyone here right now obviously. Henceforth, I want to change my wording to "you know that I am a town that would be easy to misvote over other town" which I feel like is true. I didn't think my most uncharitable thing is what I was thinking, it was more of a hypothetical as I believe you to just be town the more I read back.
-Only thing I am worried about is the constant "look at the interactions that mafia have with cape, not cape's ISO" thing that you have been perpetuating which to me, it looks scummy, but at the same time, I could see this as like, just a town thing.
-For the last hour I wanna focus on Sleep's ISO, close the curtains on Dobby, thank you very much. Personally, I would probably keep you alive in a final 3 scenario unlike HK who I would probably not? but good show
yeah i felt like with what i did yesterday i didnt want to keep readng the same stuff over and over. and i said i was doing stuff yesterday evening, and have been out today as well until now. so yeah if you want to call that static then sure, but its static after i put a ton of effort in, and not just static but dont have much to back it up with, there's a significant different there imo.
Look back at the post at the bolded that you bolded on HK, it was mentioning meta looking good for katze, not myself.
They kinda jumped from talking about katze right into me
uh might be a language barrier thing but it was katze that i was referring to lol, i just added some about you
1. It's pretty early to sus on Ladd here but Dobby does it. No wolf at this point is super concerned with positioning nor is there any kind of indication that Ladd could potentially be at risk here. While it's a safe position for a wolf to take, drawing attention to the position by including it as one of only four stated positions I think is risky. Ladd would need to go over quickly (basically D1) for the read to not look like TMI
oh come on it's HK
"at risk". Such partner
Vote: Hollowkatt
Credits to Sleep for having me find that.
Listen, I know that's kinda a lazy answer, but I think it's the right one, and I believe in final 3 making that choice
hi
uhm
weh
good post and im fully convinced now
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