Sorceror 17er Game Thread

[Sleep]

i reread rask and still think hes vaguely ok but wouldnt protest strongly if thats where people ended up voting

[Winston Hughes]

That's kinda what I figured, that's why I've been so lackadaisical.

have you given a full reads list yet?

[Cuthillius]

my issue is that

and this may be a factor of the playerlist composition

everyone feels super homogeneous in a way that's distinct from like thinking everyone's super towny or whatever

just there aren't. lines

there aren't divides which aren't necessarily that helpful but once you stack enough of them on top of each other people start popping out

there's like some of it in the org-specific group kiinda but even then it's. very non-discrete in a way that doesn't make me uncomfortable because i don't think we're like way off track necessarily but it's puzzling

[Cuthillius]

Voting Newcomb is a dumb idea katze. Vote Ender instead.

monty why this when voting rask

[Winston Hughes]

i reread rask and still think hes vaguely ok but wouldnt protest strongly if thats where people ended up voting

we're not killing ras

[katze]

my issue is that

and this may be a factor of the playerlist composition

everyone feels super homogeneous in a way that's distinct from like thinking everyone's super towny or whatever

just there aren't. lines

there aren't divides which aren't necessarily that helpful but once you stack enough of them on top of each other people start popping out

there's like some of it in the org-specific group kiinda but even then it's. very non-discrete in a way that doesn't make me uncomfortable because i don't think we're like way off track necessarily but it's puzzling

dear cuth,

i've read this post like 6 times

what does it mean

love, katze

[Raskolnikov]

we're not killing ras

I can confirm. What's the tally guys?

[Winston Hughes]

it's not impossible he's scum, but it's not what i'd expect

[Winston Hughes]

can we just chop zack?

[Visor]

Players Votes

Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)

I believe this is the tally

[Raskolnikov]

why Winston?

[Sleep]

it's not impossible he's scum, but it's not what i'd expect

duly noted

[Cuthillius]

for context i've been super busy and super tired and using this game to distract myself in a melancholy sort of way

and it is an interesting game and i am enjoying it but

my brain is not at its best

which has shaped my approach a fair bit (less meaty engagement, eyes glazing over at most long posts, questions because i can learn a lot about a specific thing i want to know but not actually have to exist in thread a ton)

might have actually been helpful because my thoughts are more swirly and when they settle they're more liable to settle poorly esp when i'm in this sort of headspace

[katze]

can we just chop zack?

no lol

[EnderWiggin]

can we just chop zack?

Talk to me about why? I don't feel he's done anything that sticks out to me as super scummy.

[Newcomb]

Vote:hollowkatt

I'm probably super :daisy: dumb, but I don't see how hollowkatt re:ender comes to the conclusions that he did.

Can you expand on that? I was under the impression you were leaning on ladd's townread of HK and I'm kind of missing the evolution of like, how you got here.

This vote kinda feels like it's a "where can I park my vote safely" vote than a "I think this guy is gonna flip w" vote.

[Raskolnikov]

OK I prolly need to read some Cuth to understand that 180 lol

[Winston Hughes]

why Winston?


Players Votes

Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 2 (katze, nebjiamn)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)

...

[EnderWiggin]

the reason i'm v-reading ender so strongly is a) the like i'm gonna take this game on my shoulders come what may attitude paired with b) the way he responded to my probing

i don't think like anyone would be that thrilled with things being teased apart that way but it was definitely much more strongly the vibe of someone who had thought about and believed in somewhat contradictory and odd perspectives and was upset at someone poking them than someone who'd just come up with takes whole cloth and then got defensive as a show

idk if it's a super clear distinction for anyone else but i believe moderately strongly in this + i think they've been a prime slot to push for wolves if v basically the entire day and indeed people have been pushing them kinda constantly and i think in ways that don't really make sense in terms of reading ender specifically

in particular i have somewhat cold feet wrt ladd and his direction today but idk

If you're so convinced I'm town, why do you seem so unimpressed by my case?

Caveat that I've skimmed very vaguely so if I missed something I apologise, but it feels like you've slapped this great big townread on me but have also completely ignored my actual push and has put a weak af townread on Newcomb

[Winston Hughes]

zack telling us he's leaving for the rest of the evening

massive scumtell

[EnderWiggin]

Like, Cuth, I can understand if you disagree with it. But kinda feels weird if you just don't acknowledge it.

[Cuthillius]

dear cuth,

i've read this post like 6 times

what does it mean

love, katze

normally when i play after like half a phase or a phase it feels like the game has separated into various possible worlds which come together from connections

like distinct subsets of the game doing different sorts of things, and it's not like all of the wolves are necessarily in those, it's just that either the game could be like THIS or like THAT or like maaybe like THAT

but in this case idk i have a hard time clearly coming up with that much potential new information that would clearly define the perspective in the way i would expect from say a red flip on d1 often would

there are clearly unaligns and whatever it's just

everything feels all muddled together

[Cuthillius]

If you're so convinced I'm town, why do you seem so unimpressed by my case?

Caveat that I've skimmed very vaguely so if I missed something I apologise, but it feels like you've slapped this great big townread on me but have also completely ignored my actual push and has put a weak af townread on Newcomb

if you're talking about your case on newcomb, i have zero opinion on it whatsoever

i'm basing this off the first half of your phase and the way you responded when i was asking you about stuff yesterday

[Raskolnikov]

OK Cuth you are full of crap lmao. The only mention about my slot in your ISO is the initial "lock villa"

[Cuthillius]

OK I prolly need to read some Cuth to understand that 180 lol

what 180?

[EnderWiggin]

if you're talking about your case on newcomb, i have zero opinion on it whatsoever

i'm basing this off the first half of your phase and the way you responded when i was asking you about stuff yesterday

You don't even care that a lock v read has a strong feeling about someone else?

[katze]

normally when i play after like half a phase or a phase it feels like the game has separated into various possible worlds which come together from connections

like distinct subsets of the game doing different sorts of things, and it's not like all of the wolves are necessarily in those, it's just that either the game could be like THIS or like THAT or like maaybe like THAT

but in this case idk i have a hard time clearly coming up with that much potential new information that would clearly define the perspective in the way i would expect from say a red flip on d1 often would

there are clearly unaligns and whatever it's just

everything feels all muddled together

alrighty

can you like give me a few names of ppl you'd be willing to kill today, maybe a few preflip associations (if v, then look at x/y/z, if w, then x is prob town and y might be w/w)

im struggling to enter your headspace rn

[Cuthillius]

OK Cuth you are full of crap lmao. The only mention about my slot in your ISO is the initial "lock villa"

your point being?

i didn't say "i wrote a bunch of words about rask in my iso"

i said "i voted rask because his entrance was lackluster and he was pushing something i didn't like right before i voted him and i'll give it a closer look once i've caught up"

[nebjiamn]

me: wolf reading newc for a majority of the day
also me: waiting for newc to drop his fire reads list in the next 10 mins so i can sheep and go to costco

[Cuthillius]

alrighty

can you like give me a few names of ppl you'd be willing to kill today, maybe a few preflip associations (if v, then look at x/y/z, if w, then x is prob town and y might be w/w)

im struggling to enter your headspace rn

associations take energy, any i would say are just the obvious ones (people unaligned with sunbae etc)

i think i've been pretty clear about my reads as i've gone along but i'll consolidate them (order-wise) and we can talk about that more if there are any you want me to elaborate on

[Raskolnikov]

your point being?

i didn't say "i wrote a bunch of words about rask in my iso"

i said "i voted rask because his entrance was lackluster and he was pushing something i didn't like right before i voted him and i'll give it a closer look once i've caught up"

You are saying it now actually. What's the thing I was pushing you didn't like?

[Newcomb]

alrighty

can you like give me a few names of ppl you'd be willing to kill today, maybe a few preflip associations (if v, then look at x/y/z, if w, then x is prob town and y might be w/w)

im struggling to enter your headspace rn

Welcome to the cuth experience lmao

If i'm sorc i'm 100% giving cuth the bomb tonight just to force him to make a binary decision

And I say this with love Cuth <3

[EnderWiggin]

So, if I vote myself out will people believe I have something on Newcomb and go there tomorrow instead of staying off them for ? reasons?

[Sleep]

vote: cuth

im not going to lie, #1003 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829296&viewfull=1#post2053829296) tipped me over the edge

[Winston Hughes]

sell me on cuth

[Cuthillius]

benneh

ender
katze
sunbae

monstr

cape
hk but this read is from early d1
newc

roro
sleep
zack

ladd

csargo

monty
winston

rask

and if you're saying to yourself "gee four orgers on the bottom of that list" guess what i've been saying to myself for the last like 24 hours too

alphabetical within tiers as always

[Cuthillius]

So, if I vote myself out will people believe I have something on Newcomb and go there tomorrow instead of staying off them for ? reasons?

for the love of all that is good in the world please just don't.

[katze]

So, if I vote myself out will people believe I have something on Newcomb and go there tomorrow instead of staying off them for ? reasons?

if you're voted out today is your legacy "kill newcomb with fire" or "stop ignoring newcomb and talk about him more" because i feel like im the loudest anti-newcomb voice and if i died today i'd absolutely not lean the former

[EnderWiggin]

vote: cuth

im not going to lie, #1003 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829296&viewfull=1#post2053829296) tipped me over the edge

I don't mind this if Newcomb is off the table.

I do not feel like their reads feel entirely legit. Especially the way they've treated me.

[Raskolnikov]

lmao cuth

[Visor]

as of 1036

Players Votes

Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Cuthillius 3 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Enderwiggin 2 (Raskolnikov, zack)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)

[Sleep]

if you're voted out today is your legacy "kill newcomb with fire" or "stop ignoring newcomb and talk about him more" because i feel like im the loudest anti-newcomb voice and if i died today i'd absolutely not lean the former

then i guess ur not as loudly anti-newcomb as me

[Raskolnikov]

why would I be a wolf even Cuth lol?

[Cuthillius]

and also no it wouldn't tip the scale there in the slightest i already think you're probably town but that doesn't mean much about the validity of your read

sorry if sounds harsh

the most useful thing it would do is make me consider how newc's treated you this phase but off the top of my head i don't have big issues with that so

[Newcomb]

me: wolf reading newc for a majority of the day
also me: waiting for newc to drop his fire reads list in the next 10 mins so i can sheep and go to costco

https://c.tenor.com/X4Wk9CeZmNsAAAAC/white-famous-its-that-duality-of-man-shit.gif

[EnderWiggin]

if you're voted out today is your legacy "kill newcomb with fire" or "stop ignoring newcomb and talk about him more" because i feel like im the loudest anti-newcomb voice and if i died today i'd absolutely not lean the former

I right now feel the former.

Might be that I read their reaction to the case I posted where they "forgot" who posted it.

And idk I just viscerally want the flip and the red blood of a wolf on my hands to prove myself right now.

[Cuthillius]

why would I be a wolf even Cuth lol?

what is the point of this post

[Csargo]

Can you expand on that? I was under the impression you were leaning on ladd's townread of HK and I'm kind of missing the evolution of like, how you got here.

This vote kinda feels like it's a "where can I park my vote safely" vote than a "I think this guy is gonna flip w" vote.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829070&viewfull=1#post2053829070
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154663-Sorceror-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053829043&viewfull=1#post2053829043

I don't think I'm going to be able to explain it better than I've already done. If that's not sufficient then, I don't know.

[Raskolnikov]

Blade: your case on Newcomb is unconvincing. Wanna to articulate it more?

[katze]

then i guess ur not as loudly anti-newcomb as me

i mean tbh you're probably right because im never really that confident in D1 wolfreads

would you also lean the former? (i saw enders answer)

[EnderWiggin]

Also like, Csargo's weird flip flop on me to a townread actually feels more legit than Cuth's progression.

[Raskolnikov]

what is the point of this post

Hearing your case actually, or even the reason you have to vote me.

[nebjiamn]

I right now feel the former.

Might be that I read their reaction to the case I posted where they "forgot" who posted it.

And idk I just viscerally want the flip and the red blood of a wolf on my hands to prove myself right now.
this feels appropriate for this post
https://i.gifer.com/1PX.gif

[Cuthillius]

I don't mind this if Newcomb is off the table.

I do not feel like their reads feel entirely legit. Especially the way they've treated me.

what, trying to get you to either come up with better reasons for w-reads or stop w-reading the people you were for the reasons you were

which was a cover for trying to get you to contradict yourself despite my never placing suspicion on you and then being like oops haha he noticed and pretty firmly v-reading you ever since?

like i'll own that it might not have been the funnest experience and i'm sorry if it was unpleasant but

[Winston Hughes]

alphabetical within tiers as always

ok let's dance

[Cuthillius]

Hearing your case actually, or even the reason you have to vote me.

why would i even have to have a reason to vote you?

[EnderWiggin]

Blade: your case on Newcomb is unconvincing. Wanna to articulate it more?

I don't think that's me. =P

I have like 24 mins before EOD.

I don't know how to articulate it more beyond like, this exasperation that Newcomb has not settled on any reads he hasn't been willing to bend depending on who he's interacting with.

There's this whole aloof and disaffected look where he can't even bother to think about people in thread much.

The whole "Forgot who cased him" thing feels fake af. As town I certainly pay attention to who wallposts to sus me.

That being said maybe I'm egocentric lol.

[Montmorency]

my issue is that

and this may be a factor of the playerlist composition

everyone feels super homogeneous in a way that's distinct from like thinking everyone's super towny or whatever

just there aren't. lines

there aren't divides which aren't necessarily that helpful but once you stack enough of them on top of each other people start popping out

there's like some of it in the org-specific group kiinda but even then it's. very non-discrete in a way that doesn't make me uncomfortable because i don't think we're like way off track necessarily but it's puzzling

maybe


monty why this when voting rask

For the podracing.


we're not killing ras

That's equity.

[EnderWiggin]

For the podracing.

I like the cut of this man's jib.

[Cuthillius]

Cuthillius

oh i forgot about this post

i have a hard time reading monstr because his playstyle as a wolf is self-aware in a way distinct from a lot of people, and it's not just like being able to post like a villager would but genuinely intuitively generating stuff that he would think as a villager by maintaining a sort of self-aware distance while wolfing

meaning his wolf posts have a villagery flavor to them that is stronger than a lot of peoples' and it's similar enough to mine that i have a hard time ever trusting how i read it

[Winston Hughes]

if this is all we got

scum are sitting pretty

[Raskolnikov]

vote: cuthillius

[Visor]

Players Votes

Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1062

[Sleep]

i mean tbh you're probably right because im never really that confident in D1 wolfreads

would you also lean the former? (i saw enders answer)

that was the implication i was going for yes

im not always confident on day 1 wolfreads (and i dont think my accuracy is anything special) but my approach is to just step to the plate and swing as hard as possible like im javier baez. i might strike out a lot but sometimes ill hit a home run

[katze]

meeeeeh. i kinda wanna go back to newcomb but when i typed out my reason i realized it's kinda dumb

[Newcomb]

I don't think that's me. =P

I have like 24 mins before EOD.

I don't know how to articulate it more beyond like, this exasperation that Newcomb has not settled on any reads he hasn't been willing to bend depending on who he's interacting with.

There's this whole aloof and disaffected look where he can't even bother to think about people in thread much.

The whole "Forgot who cased him" thing feels fake af. As town I certainly pay attention to who wallposts to sus me.

That being said maybe I'm egocentric lol.

God I know I'm gonna regret this but I'm morbidly curious.

In the world where I'm a wolf, the reason for me faking getting you and sleep mixed up would be....?

[EnderWiggin]

what, trying to get you to either come up with better reasons for w-reads or stop w-reading the people you were for the reasons you were

which was a cover for trying to get you to contradict yourself despite my never placing suspicion on you and then being like oops haha he noticed and pretty firmly v-reading you ever since?

like i'll own that it might not have been the funnest experience and i'm sorry if it was unpleasant but

I disliked the questions but that doesn't create the centre of my main dislike with you.

Tbh, it might be petty, but the way you just straight up ignored my case but apparently lock me town rustles my jimmies something fierce.

Like, even if you 100% disagree with it, you don't even engage to say "I think that's an uncharitable take"? You don't try and work with one of your "lock" townreads when you think they're barking the fuck up the wrong tree?

Talk to me about why me potentially confbiasing myself into trying to lead on someone who is generally a good town player when they rand town and don't die is something you're okay with if you're town and you think we both are?

[Csargo]

have you given a full reads list yet?

Somewhere, calling it a full reads list is probably a stretch.

[Montmorency]

can we just chop zack?

Just get him whacked.


Can you expand on that? I was under the impression you were leaning on ladd's townread of HK and I'm kind of missing the evolution of like, how you got here.

This vote kinda feels like it's a "where can I park my vote safely" vote than a "I think this guy is gonna flip w" vote.

That's a good point.


oh i forgot about this post

i have a hard time reading monstr because his playstyle as a wolf is self-aware in a way distinct from a lot of people, and it's not just like being able to post like a villager would but genuinely intuitively generating stuff that he would think as a villager by maintaining a sort of self-aware distance while wolfing

meaning his wolf posts have a villagery flavor to them that is stronger than a lot of peoples' and it's similar enough to mine that i have a hard time ever trusting how i read it

Have to admit, #402 was scary but Cuth sounds more like Cuth lately.


vote: cuthillius

Well, it is self-pres...

[katze]

that was the implication i was going for yes

im not always confident on day 1 wolfreads (and i dont think my accuracy is anything special) but my approach is to just step to the plate and swing as hard as possible like im javier baez. i might strike out a lot but sometimes ill hit a home run

fair enough

my ego isnt big enough to go that far

[Cuthillius]

gonna take a break from the thread to make dinner etc... so you won't enjoy my impactful posts for a while. For reference, I am wanna vote within {Ender/Sunbae/Monty} rn. Not sure I posted about Sunbae already but can maybe expand later.

looking back i'm pretty sure i voted you primarily for

you'll never guess

your catchup being lackluster but mostly specifically this post

ender i've talked about more than enough

sunbae i think is pretty villagery but there's been enough waffling that it's conceivably something wolves feel absolutely fine going for

and monty is shrug it's fine but i don't super vibe with any of the people who feel more strongly about it than mild shrug and doesn't look good

and specifically i think these reads are presented from most to least objectionable

and in the absence of thinking any individuals are super wolfy i'm inclined to vote the people who are not actively villagery and who are also trying to kill people that a) i think are villagers and b) feel like villagers wolves would try to kill here

[Raskolnikov]

oh i forgot about this post

i have a hard time reading monstr because his playstyle as a wolf is self-aware in a way distinct from a lot of people, and it's not just like being able to post like a villager would but genuinely intuitively generating stuff that he would think as a villager by maintaining a sort of self-aware distance while wolfing

meaning his wolf posts have a villagery flavor to them that is stronger than a lot of peoples' and it's similar enough to mine that i have a hard time ever trusting how i read it

ok. I still don't get the last sentence (like if you can isolate a pattern of posting which is AI for him, and it's a behaviour which is simular to yours, which arguably you can understand, why don't you trust that particular read?).

[EnderWiggin]

God I know I'm gonna regret this but I'm morbidly curious.

In the world where I'm a wolf, the reason for me faking getting you and sleep mixed up would be....?

Wolves acting disaffected by reads on them tends to be townread. Also the act of "I don't even remember who made it" puts the implication on that it's a weak case and therefore undermines other people possibly following it.

[Winston Hughes]

ladd
newcomb
montmorency

all of these are good targets

[Cuthillius]

I disliked the questions but that doesn't create the centre of my main dislike with you.

Tbh, it might be petty, but the way you just straight up ignored my case but apparently lock me town rustles my jimmies something fierce.

Like, even if you 100% disagree with it, you don't even engage to say "I think that's an uncharitable take"? You don't try and work with one of your "lock" townreads when you think they're barking the fuck up the wrong tree?

Talk to me about why me potentially confbiasing myself into trying to lead on someone who is generally a good town player when they rand town and don't die is something you're okay with if you're town and you think we both are?

yeah i'm sorry

i haven't had the time to exhaustively engage with this game and i'm picking my battles

and the reasons i'm confidently calling you a villager have nothing to do with the newc stuff, which was either probably long enough form that my brain couldn't process it yesterday or was after i made up my mind

i am not going to spend my energy discussing the reads of someone i v-read to judge the validity of that alignment d1 when i could spend it sorting through people i have a lot less of a picture of

i'm not worried about you confbiasing onto newc because i'm thoroughly unconcerned about newc dying today and that's all i really care about

if i was i would be talking more and thinking more about newc but i'm absolutely fine just letting him do his thing for the time being esp since i lean slightly v based on my own criteria

[nebjiamn]

i prob have all 4 wolves in my "dont lunch today pile"

[Cuthillius]

ok. I still don't get the last sentence (like if you can isolate a pattern of posting which is AI for him, and it's a behaviour which is simular to yours, which arguably you can understand, why don't you trust that particular read?).

no

my wolf game is levelly as shit

i can compare other people to this based on how levelly they are

some people are very good wolves so they can calibrate level in a way that i have a hard time reading even if otherwise process is different but monstr just always has that circuit in his brain running as either alignment and there's not really any super solid ground to read it off and we haven't played outside of that enough to develop other good ways of reading

[Raskolnikov]

looking back i'm pretty sure i voted you primarily for

you'll never guess

your catchup being lackluster but mostly specifically this post

ender i've talked about more than enough

sunbae i think is pretty villagery but there's been enough waffling that it's conceivably something wolves feel absolutely fine going for

and monty is shrug it's fine but i don't super vibe with any of the people who feel more strongly about it than mild shrug and doesn't look good

and specifically i think these reads are presented from most to least objectionable

and in the absence of thinking any individuals are super wolfy i'm inclined to vote the people who are not actively villagery and who are also trying to kill people that a) i think are villagers and b) feel like villagers wolves would try to kill here

ok so you are not poundering my alignment here. cool stuff. (because that's basically what you are doing here, you don't try to figure it out. why is me disagreeing with you about 3 specific slots makes me a wolf?)

[EnderWiggin]

yeah i'm sorry

i haven't had the time to exhaustively engage with this game and i'm picking my battles

and the reasons i'm confidently calling you a villager have nothing to do with the newc stuff, which was either probably long enough form that my brain couldn't process it yesterday or was after i made up my mind

i am not going to spend my energy discussing the reads of someone i v-read to judge the validity of that alignment d1 when i could spend it sorting through people i have a lot less of a picture of

i'm not worried about you confbiasing onto newc because i'm thoroughly unconcerned about newc dying today and that's all i really care about

if i was i would be talking more and thinking more about newc but i'm absolutely fine just letting him do his thing for the time being esp since i lean slightly v based on my own criteria

...

Well fuck.

I actually like this post.

[Montmorency]

ladd
newcomb
montmorency

all of these are good targets

Crossposted from scumchat?

[Winston Hughes]

Crossposted from scumchat?

:bow:

[katze]

ladd
newcomb
montmorency

all of these are good targets

take monty off the list imo

[Cuthillius]

ok so you are not poundering my alignment here. cool stuff. (because that's basically what you are doing here, you don't try to figure it out. why is me disagreeing with you about 3 specific slots makes me a wolf?)

it's not, i don't really have that much of a read on you

i'm voting you because i have an idea of who villagers are in this game and no real leads in any way on who the wolves are and so i'm voting people who aren't villagery and who are trying to kill villagers

that doesn't mean that your posts are wolfy it just means they're not villagery and you're trying to kill people i think are villagers and also in what could be an opportunistic way

[Winston Hughes]

take monty off the list imo

give me a reason

[nebjiamn]

how fun would the game be if we lunched newcomb and he flipped v

hm

[nebjiamn]

idr wanna vote cuth, ender, or rask, lol

[katze]

give me a reason

i thought the tinfoil he had about visor posting a votecount right after you voted ladd was villagery and it's a peak "look, here's whats going to happen" vote


how fun would the game be if we lunched newcomb and he flipped v

hm

not very

although looking back i might laugh at it

[Winston Hughes]

how fun would the game be if we lunched newcomb and he flipped v

very fun

[Sleep]

how fun would the game be if we lunched newcomb and he flipped v

hm

i would feel precisely 0 guilt

[EnderWiggin]

idr wanna vote cuth, ender, or rask, lol

Help me wagon Newcomb.

[katze]

holy shit its almost EoD im so used to MU votecounts reminding me at all times how close it is alfoamgjnmgh

[EnderWiggin]

how fun would the game be if we lunched newcomb and he flipped v

hm

I would feel very stupid tbh. But I also don't think this is happening.

[Cuthillius]

it's kinda sad that both katze and benneh are voting me

that gets me down a bit

in terms of how i'm playing this game

i would be tempted to vote ladd but i think winston voting ladd just from the game perspective more broadly is vaguely wack and it makes me feel less great about it

rask is fine

otherwise csargo monty really just feel like uninteresting

i think if i had another hour i might feel good about going hk but right now i have a hard time i need to spend more time and there isn't more time

[Raskolnikov]

idr wanna vote cuth, ender, or rask, lol

good list :2thumbsup:

[Montmorency]

...

Well fuck.

I actually like this post.

It's a stalwart response, even regardless of alignment.

[Cuthillius]

vote: winston

[katze]

vote: unvote

sorry

be back in a min

[Sleep]

vote: newcomb

feeling cute might delete later

[EnderWiggin]

Discount on Newcomb votes. Discount! 10 characters only required to join in on this great deal!

*Hands out flyers*

[nebjiamn]

good list :2thumbsup:
you're voting ender tho

[nebjiamn]

vote: unvote

[Cuthillius]

katze the way you're approaching this eod skeeves me out tbh

it feels like

oddly passive compared to the way you've approached the rest of the game and how i'd expect you to here

[Raskolnikov]

you're voting ender tho

I am voting cuth rn. might move, dunno. I am puzzled

[Visor]

1102

Players Votes

Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)

[Cuthillius]

there's basically zero upside if newc flips v

given the way basically everyone's handled him

[katze]

katze the way you're approaching this eod skeeves me out tbh

it feels like

oddly passive compared to the way you've approached the rest of the game and how i'd expect you to here

i didn't process this was eod until af ew minutes ago and now im freaking out so yay me

[Raskolnikov]

also was a sarcasm Benjamin :p

[Sleep]

1102

Players Votes

Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)

Lol

[Raskolnikov]

1102

Players Votes

Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)

I super hate all of them. Can I interest someone on a Sunbae wagon?

[EnderWiggin]

1102

Players Votes

Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)

This wagon formation always yeets a wolf.

[katze]

1102

Players Votes

Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)

these wagons fucking suck

[Montmorency]

LET IT R- :thwack:


otherwise csargo monty really just feel like uninteresting

In play or as candidates?

[Cuthillius]

i didn't process this was eod until af ew minutes ago and now im freaking out so yay me

ok fair

you were like hm maybe we can go newc here? or something

and i was like

what

[Sleep]

hot take id still send cuth

i have a heart of stone and emotions mean little to me

[Dobby]

does day end in 3 mins?

newc is a perfect bomb target imo

if hes town we can count oin him making a good choice, if not, shrug.

[Cuthillius]

vote: ladd

[Raskolnikov]

there's basically zero upside if newc flips v

given the way basically everyone's handled him

I kinda wanna kill your info yeet approach tbh

[katze]

dont kill sleep
maybe kill newcomb??? idk fuck
probably dont kill csargo
dont kill hollowkatt what the fuck why is he a wagon
dont kill rask

[Winston Hughes]

need a vote on ladd

[Cuthillius]

In play or as candidates?

tbh kinda both

and each of them is the reason for the other

[Winston Hughes]

vote: ladd

:bow:

[Visor]

Players Votes

Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1118

[Dobby]

dont kill sleep
maybe kill newcomb??? idk fuck
probably dont kill csargo
dont kill hollowkatt what the fuck why is he a wagon
dont kill rask

i kinda wanna shield sleep

hk and rask are good wagons unless something has majorly changed. csargo idk

[Cuthillius]

I kinda wanna kill your info yeet approach tbh

then tell the wolves to be wolfier

i'm sure not leaning into hard pushing people in this state of mind that's not going to go well

[EnderWiggin]

Only you can help me yeet Newcomb.

[Sleep]

i reiterate though i think newcomb legit has not tried to solve the game at all, he has no reads he cares about, nothing hes doing is meaningful in any way

[Raskolnikov]

vote: Sunbae

[nebjiamn]

vote: raskolnikov


​sorry if wrong

[katze]

vote: Newcomb

fingers crossed but i do not like any other wagon at all really

[Cuthillius]

glgl

[nebjiamn]

i reiterate though i think newcomb legit has not tried to solve the game at all, he has no reads he cares about, nothing hes doing is meaningful in any way
ya...

jfc

[Sleep]

vote: ladd

[katze]

if i die n1 read newcombs eod3 in his wildcar game he got mled in

[Winston Hughes]

fun fun fun

thx everyone

[Dobby]

Vote: raskolnikov

sorcerer target newcomb better, even ladd tbh

[Sleep]

vote: newcomb

[Montmorency]

Vote: Ladd

https://i.imgur.com/EeYtIBY.jpg

[Raskolnikov]

vote: ladd

[Montmorency]

o crap what sthe tally

[nebjiamn]

glgl

i have no balls

[katze]

if i die n1 read newcombs eod3 in his wildcar game he got mled in

absolutely night an day

[Dobby]

glgl

i have no balls

i really dont want either ladd or newc but i prefer ladd

[Raskolnikov]

sorry ladd I ddidn't want to

[Montmorency]

Unvote

[Visor]

DAY IS OVER.

STOP POSTING.

00 Good, 01 Bad, as usual.

I will be posting a tally momentarily.

10 minutes for corrections.

[Visor]

Players Votes

ladd 4 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius, Montmorency, Raskolnikov)
Newcomb 3 (Enderwiggin, katze, Sleep)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, nebjiamn, Dobby)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
hollowkatt 1 (Csargo)


This is the final tally I have.

Pm me or dm me on discord if there are any corrections.

[Visor]

Ladd has been killed. They were the Mafia N3 Sorcerer.

Night actions due 1 hour before start of day, 7pm Saturday night american eastern time, approx 23 hours from now.

Please PM me the actions preferably.

ALSO

Dolby is subbing in for monstrdude. Thanks Dolby.

Alive:
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
5. Winston Hughes
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13. monstrbro Dolby
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead:
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.

[Visor]

Winston Hughes has been killed. They were Vanilla Town.

Day ends in roughly 48 hours from now, at 8pm American Eastern time, 25th of April.

The bomb vested player (if one exists) has 36 hours to PM me their target (I will only accept PMs), before their target will be randomised (or nothing will happen, if the player selected is dead).

Alive: (15/17)
1. zack
2. nebjiamn
3. cuthillius
6. Raskolnikov
7. Newcomb
8. Csargo
9. EnderWiggin
10. Sunbae
11. Montmorency
12. roro__b
13. monstrbro Dolby, replaced after EOD1
14. katze
15. Sleep
16. Cape90
17. hollowkatt

Dead: (2/17)
4. Ladd, Mafia N3 Sorcerer, died D1.
5. Winston Hughes, Vanilla Town, killed N1.

DAY HAS STARTED. YOU MAY POST.

[Montmorency]

Newcomb wagon - Ender/katze/Sleep - upper-null (Sleep might trend down, or lock clear if NC scum)
Sunbae upper-null
Dobby, Cape, HK, NC null
Zack, Csargo, Dolby lower-null
Nebbie scum


Cuth, I think I'll lock ya for a couple days, but not permanently given how you discussed ladd's slot throughout the day. Winston, Rask, you get a day pass, and probably a lock clear if NC is scum. Hopefully Star Trek II is reprising, except with only the good parts. It's hard to believe, but not a single one of you was in Star Trek II (though HK was probably aware of it, and he participated in the Mario 2 debacle).

Nebbie, I believe you could be the Mafia Stalker now.

Zack, are you sure you're not with Csargo? Although I do note that while I was slanking, ladd offered some kind of wack analysis about me being a "perfectly competent wolf" supposedly based on having read all my games or something - and you correctly identified this as townspewing me (see my walls).

It's is extremely likely that there was at least one other maf among the many protowagons around EOD, and potentially even among Newcomb or Rask. Overlooking D1 scum multiwagons has killed a successful town more than once in my relatively-recent experience. And with this many competing wagons, it's at least 95%, the details of which will always have to be guessed when forming plausible wagonomics associations moving forward.

@ both Zack and HK: Zack, in Mass Effect you hosted as Dolby was consensus scum-read and sacrificed (Logic sub). HK, you were town with me in Mario 2 when Dolby subbed in late onto a winning Mafia team and easily sealed the deal.
Figure out if he's clearable today pl0x.

Anyway, for doing all the things and ranking Zack/Ladd/Newcomb highly, Vote: Nebbie

Let the anointed please suicide Newcomb today, unless you're maf. It provides excellent info on Sleep, katze, Winston, and Rask at a minimum.

****

I expected Cuth to die, but OK.

[Dolby]

who has the bomb

[Montmorency]

https://i.imgur.com/SiQ48gG.png

Not to get off-topic, but this is like the one guy presenting his calendar.



1102

Players Votes

Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Winston Hughes 1 (Cuthillius)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)

This wagon formation always yeets a wolf.

:bow:

[Dolby]

monty why does my slot get lower nulled

[Dolby]

actually why is everyone but benneh represented as a nullread

[Dolby]

Vote: Dobby

There can only be one

[Montmorency]

monty why does my slot get lower nulled

I had Monstr lower-null.


actually why is everyone but benneh represented as a nullread

That's where they belong, except the heroes of the day (Rask and Cuth).

[Zack]

Chill on who to suicide, don't rush into that.

gg winston

[Csargo]

rip winston, I'll join you soon.

[hollowkatt]

I did not get bombed and that makes me The Big Sad

[Dolby]

i'll help benneh and then go afk for the next 24ish hours

v
mont
benneh
ladd

sleep

i don't like ender's way of posting (almost all of his posts are answer to other quotes and in last page he answered newcomb's post which was the last one and then went back to answer cuth's whose post was before and gave me "posting just to post" vibes). Both of these things are >rand w ime

for context:





i'll yolo a sunbae w read (you'll do amazing in champs tho! genuinely)

ladd starts out tring monty, benneh > sleep and sring ender and sunbae, with sunbae probably being relatively dismissable. imo benneh hadn't done anything overly readable on the first couple of pages, i imagine that the justification on monty being townread is connected to his setup mech on p1 and that is not a stable read elevation for w/w. Ender was a wagon a few hours before EoD and this is the first instance of him being sussed at all in the game, will see if this develops. Also ender just responding to others is kinda how he is early game

Monty, have you read Ladd for spew?

[hollowkatt]

Newcomb wagon - Ender/katze/Sleep - upper-null (Sleep might trend down, or lock clear if NC scum)
Sunbae upper-null
Dobby, Cape, HK, NC null
Zack, Csargo, Dolby lower-null
Nebbie scum


Cuth, I think I'll lock ya for a couple days, but not permanently given how you discussed ladd's slot throughout the day. Winston, Rask, you get a day pass, and probably a lock clear if NC is scum. Hopefully Star Trek II is reprising, except with only the good parts. It's hard to believe, but not a single one of you was in Star Trek II (though HK was probably aware of it, and he participated in the Mario 2 debacle).

Nebbie, I believe you could be the Mafia Stalker now.

Zack, are you sure you're not with Csargo? Although I do note that while I was slanking, ladd offered some kind of wack analysis about me being a "perfectly competent wolf" supposedly based on having read all my games or something - and you correctly identified this as townspewing me (see my walls).

It's is extremely likely that there was at least one other maf among the many protowagons around EOD, and potentially even among Newcomb or Rask. Overlooking D1 scum multiwagons has killed a successful town more than once in my relatively-recent experience. And with this many competing wagons, it's at least 95%, the details of which will always have to be guessed when forming plausible wagonomics associations moving forward.

@ both Zack and HK: Zack, in Mass Effect you hosted as Dolby was consensus scum-read and sacrificed (Logic sub). HK, you were town with me in Mario 2 when Dolby subbed in late onto a winning Mafia team and easily sealed the deal.
Figure out if he's clearable today pl0x.

Anyway, for doing all the things and ranking Zack/Ladd/Newcomb highly, Vote: Nebbie

Let the anointed please suicide Newcomb today, unless you're maf. It provides excellent info on Sleep, katze, Winston, and Rask at a minimum.

****

I expected Cuth to die, but OK.

he'll need to make posts for me to do that but sure

[Zack]

I read the flip before I read the posts from after I left, I honestly was thinking cuth seemed w/w with ladd before he voted ladd at the last second lol. I thought rask wasn't posting that great during EOD but he also voted ladd, though seems like this was just self-pres.

Monty could be a villager, but he is also a filthy filthy busser and should not be cleared IMO (esp cuz the way ladd treated him was a bit odd if monty is town imo, plus Monty tried to unvote anyway).

benneh seems surface-level not great from ladd's flip, possible he would have tried to direct traffic elsewhere harder during EOD as a wolf, but caveat that the ladd bumrush was mostly last second.

HK maybe got off too easy yesterday, he has not really done much solving at all that I can recall, ladd shielded him a decent amount too.

dobby saying he wanted the sorc to target newcomb or ladd but "really didnt want" to lunch them doesnt make much sense to me and is possibly just a wolfy thing to say, esp the way he threw in ladd in addition to newcomb after seeing ladd get voted at the end.

I think sunbae's posts may have given people the impression that I townread ladd a lot more than I did. I want to reiterate that the highest I ever put ladd was "slightly above null" fairly early in the day, which really doesn't mean anything (as I even said later in the day, and I am never posting reads lists again on d1 because I'm so tired of how people read into d1 shrug reads as being ironclad declarations). I had a string of posts crapping on ladd, starting around 560, and never took any of that back or said ladd was villagy after that, though I did mentally note benneh's post saying ladd was "Just A Villager" and pumped the brakes a bit. When I left I had zero idea ladd was an actual possibility of dying d1 and there were no votes on him. though I wouldn't personally have pulled the trigger on a d1 lunch ladd myself (but since the other option was apparently newcomb for some reason, maybe I would have tbh).

unrelated but csargo seems more in his villager meta than the wolf one i think


from reading ladd iso last night:

- newcomb doesnt seem partnered. related to that, katze was one of the most notable "newcomb = wolfy" ppl of d1, ladd has newcomb as his top obvtown and enthusiastically proposes katze lead eod? is this a thing that happens with w/w? I think ladd just didn't want to have newcomb on his case in this game.

- weirdly defensive of monty after he got votes? and the ways he was arguing it werent super great reasons

- still think ladd/ender w/w is perfectly plausible, they never seriously tried to kill each other, seemed kinda fake to me. the way ender latched onto the newcomb pushers didnt sit right with me either, seemed opportunistic and not like a real push

- sleep/cape prob v/v, sorta felt like ladd was setting up sleep to look bad after a cape flip - i don't think sleep had any real chance of being yeeted yesterday, but cape did (and ladd wouldn't have had to get his hands dirty for it)

[Zack]

it's also not how ladd treated newcomb at all when they were w/w in rocks fall, fwiw

[Dolby]

monty why did you unvote at eod

[Sunbae]

Hiya

[Sleep]

i was legit too anxious to check the game thread until daystart and i feel super psyched having been right

hoping i was right on ladd/newcomb w/w

[Dolby]

probably shouldn't be responding to stuff when i'm on post 75 but wanting to sorc players that you respect and not yeet them isn't a scummy pov

[Sleep]

gut level take is that both zack and sunbae are good based on how lad posted toward them

[Zack]

probably shouldn't be responding to stuff when i'm on post 75 but wanting to sorc players that you respect and not yeet them isn't a scummy pov

seemed to me like a way to glom cred without actually doing anything :shrug:

[Sunbae]

I'm pretty sure both PRs should claim today to ensure the bomber doesn't blast one?

I'm also pretty sure the bomber should have targeted a poe villa read?

[Sunbae]

gut level take is that both zack and sunbae are good based on how lad posted toward them

I'm very happy with how I handled myself yesterDay

[Newcomb]

Absolute fucking madlads lol

I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.

Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?

[Sleep]

and also i kind of liked some of capes posting toward eod yesterday

willing to dial that read back for a bit

[Zack]

Absolute fucking madlads lol

I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.

Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?

rask + ladd w/w doesn't seem like a possibility to you?

[Newcomb]

I'm very happy with how I handled myself yesterDay

Yeah you nailed it w/r/t ladd I think. Thanks for the warning <3

[Sunbae]

Absolute fucking madlads lol

I would never have voted ladd D1 like that, huge EV swing but goddamn, not something I think I could ever bring myself to do.

Think I'm gonna go backread for a bit. First instinct is to pretty much clear the ladd wagon and I think I want to kill Ender?

I'd very much appreciate your take on how Ender treated specifically me during the day yesterday. I need some outside takes on it because I can come up with an argument for either alignment I think.

[Newcomb]

rask + ladd w/w doesn't seem like a possibility to you?

I mean he could have easily voted me instead and not gotten a ton of flack for it.

[katze]

hi i dont really know what to say other than i think newcomb is probably town now

[Sunbae]

and also i kind of liked some of capes posting toward eod yesterday

willing to dial that read back for a bit

How do you feel about Ladd attacking me and you shortly after we suspected Cape?

[Zack]

I mean he could have easily voted me instead and not gotten a ton of flack for it.

the EOD votes were so late and chaotic, I really would not make that assumption.

[Sunbae]

Zack, entirely possible seeing you/newcomb/ladd all start throwing suspicion my way made me think you three were higher on each other than you really were. I thought you/newcomb were entirely reasonable in your suspicions and was just trying to warn you. Maybe wasn't needed.

[Sunbae]

I'm pretty sure both PRs should claim today to ensure the bomber doesn't blast one?

I'm also pretty sure the bomber should have targeted a poe villa read?

Zack, thoughts on these?

[Newcomb]

the EOD votes were so late and chaotic, I really would not make that assumption.

Isn't that like, all the more reason he's probably not with ladd? Like, from a w!rask perspective he knows ladd is his partner, he knows i'm town, there's a lot going on, he sees the ladd wagon building and knows it's ~close even if he doesn't know the exact count, that would be a wild play to pile onto your partner there.

[Sunbae]

I am almost certain that Roro is a villager fwiw

[Zack]

Zack, entirely possible seeing you/newcomb/ladd all start throwing suspicion my way made me think you three were higher on each other than you really were. I thought you/newcomb were entirely reasonable in your suspicions and was just trying to warn you. Maybe wasn't needed.

It's fine, I'm just saying that because of how people like Monty entered the day.


this is the post i was talking about. like no offense but this seems kind of, well... dumb. :hide: do you really believe this? these two things are giving you the FEAR, seriously?

the cuth post was not very serious (and i thought that was clear given how it was presented, but maybe not)


I'm finding it hard to believe ladd saw this post and thought holy crap, zack might be a wolf!!!

#things that didnt happen


is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction? :crazy:

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other


if I say this was a good katze post, will you take me off the bottom of your list? :pirate2:

:creep:

[Newcomb]

is it crazy if I say this feels like a w/w interaction? :crazy:

this is weaksauce for two people who supposedly suspect the other

Think Zack mighta be onto something here.

[Zack]

Isn't that like, all the more reason he's probably not with ladd? Like, from a w!rask perspective he knows ladd is his partner, he knows i'm town, there's a lot going on, he sees the ladd wagon building and knows it's ~close even if he doesn't know the exact count, that would be a wild play to pile onto your partner there.

:shrug:

I have really started to just give less and less attention to who voted who and whatnot and evaluate more on who's wolfy and who's towny. Bussing and distancing that is perhaps suboptimal happens in every game, constantly.

[Dolby]

think HK is towny in the early game (<120)

think Dobby is not

kinda think that there aren't more than 1 partner agreeing with ladd's early ender read

[Zack]

I am almost certain that Roro is a villager fwiw

I do think his overall body of work seemed fine

it was just that thing that skeeved me out a bit

[Newcomb]

:shrug:

I have really started to just give less and less attention to who voted who and whatnot and evaluate more on who's wolfy and who's towny. Bussing and distancing that is perhaps suboptimal happens in every game, constantly.

I guess? Just like, it was a last second wagon. The equity swing between a misyeet D1 of me, and a ladd PR redflip D1 is.... uh.... large? Like to the point where I can't even really think it wouldn't be the governing factor in the moment there.

[katze]

imma be honest i kinda wish i had the bomb because it'd give me a little bit of personal redemption after d1 but alas

kinda still hoping i was right even if i don't rly believe it

gonna float around for a bit but i do wanna hear from benneh some cause i'm p paranoid of him rn

[Cuthillius]

monty if you think i bus there i have no words for you lol

[nebjiamn]

Howdy

nice work on ladd

i had some initial gut lean list based off that flip that I’ll post when I get to a pc but it’s nothing ground breaking

i don’t understand clearing newcomb from that flip, so I’m curious to hear why people are doing that

Of the non Ladd voters I like sunbae, sleep, and Zack the most in that order. Zack had a post about ended/ladd being potentially w/w that I want to dig into a bit more today

[Zack]

I guess? Just like, it was a last second wagon. The equity swing between a misyeet D1 of me, and a ladd PR redflip D1 is.... uh.... large? Like to the point where I can't even really think it wouldn't be the governing factor in the moment there.

maybe

my point is that it was unclear where the wagons were at and a bunch of vote changes were flying, a split-second decision to vote ladd as w/w when they were both wagons doesn't seem that unlikely to me. If one of them flips, great now the other looks better from it. If one of them don't, it will eventually look good when one does.

[Cuthillius]

I guess? Just like, it was a last second wagon. The equity swing between a misyeet D1 of me, and a ladd PR redflip D1 is.... uh.... large? Like to the point where I can't even really think it wouldn't be the governing factor in the moment there.

yeah i think if it was a goon flip sure

but losing sorceror esp when a strong player is

going beyond like bussing in order to clear with that degree of things being up in the air into just actively antiwincon territory

[katze]

Howdy

nice work on ladd

i had some initial gut lean list based off that flip that I’ll post when I get to a pc but it’s nothing ground breaking

i don’t understand clearing newcomb from that flip, so I’m curious to hear why people are doing that

Of the non Ladd voters I like sunbae, sleep, and Zack the most in that order. Zack had a post about ended/ladd being potentially w/w that I want to dig into a bit more today

newcomb and ladd agreeing to let me control EoD (even though i didn't) is the main reason im in the direction if newcomb V rn

[Cuthillius]

maybe

my point is that it was unclear where the wagons were at and a bunch of vote changes were flying, a split-second decision to vote ladd as w/w when they were both wagons doesn't seem that unlikely to me. If one of them flips, great now the other looks better from it. If one of them don't, it will eventually look good when one does.

i think i would feel more strongly about this if ladd ever had much traction, but he really didn't for the most part

[nebjiamn]

newcomb and ladd agreeing to let me control EoD (even though i didn't) is the main reason im in the direction if newcomb V rn
I suppose but I’d also expect that wolf team to think they’re just capable of doing enough and surviving the night? I mean, I would

[Zack]

Howdy

nice work on ladd

i had some initial gut lean list based off that flip that I’ll post when I get to a pc but it’s nothing ground breaking

i don’t understand clearing newcomb from that flip, so I’m curious to hear why people are doing that

Of the non Ladd voters I like sunbae, sleep, and Zack the most in that order. Zack had a post about ended/ladd being potentially w/w that I want to dig into a bit more today

i dislike that you said "clearing" because that implies something a lot stronger than anyone actually said

it just doesn't seem that partner-y to me; I could be wrong

[Newcomb]

maybe

my point is that it was unclear where the wagons were at and a bunch of vote changes were flying, a split-second decision to vote ladd as w/w when they were both wagons doesn't seem that unlikely to me. If one of them flips, great now the other looks better from it. If one of them don't, it will eventually look good when one does.

My recollection of EoD there was that it was between Ladd and me, not ladd and rask. I'm backreading that now.

[Sunbae]

Anyways, this was just a drive by. I'll be around overnight phase and dig into things more. I have ... a lot ... of thoughts but I want to give myself some time to let it formulate and get organized and stuff. I also wanna see how Newc digs in to things today because I think that's a critical alignment for my solve (and I think I can figure it out without flipping him).

[Newcomb]

Players Votes

Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1062

VC with ~20 minutes left.

[katze]

I suppose but I’d also expect that wolf team to think they’re just capable of doing enough and surviving the night? I mean, I would

im not fully discounting the possibility because i imagine ladd knows that i'm not... much of a commanding villager?

if newcomb doesnt have the vest today im not particularly interested in him dying today is really where im getting at. i still do not really like his posting at all but at the worst there's still two other wolves and an entire day+dead ladd to look through to find them

[Sunbae]

Vested player should probably wait as long as possible to fire if villa

[katze]

Vested player should probably wait as long as possible to fire if villa

id prefer the around ~24 hour mark personally

[nebjiamn]

i dislike that you said "clearing" because that implies something a lot stronger than anyone actually said

it just doesn't seem that partner-y to me; I could be wrong
Fair, but in posting and skimming from phone and seeing people say he?s no longer a wolf and I haven?t read a single post of his that?s been villagery. His posting the latter half of yesterday in particular felt charmin soft, so I don?t see a big reason to give cred to 2 very experience players for something as tame as ?katze lead eod? (I know it?s not just that, just forgive me again for posting from phone)

[Montmorency]

Monty, have you read Ladd for spew?

Somewhat.


I read the flip before I read the posts from after I left, I honestly was thinking cuth seemed w/w with ladd before he voted ladd at the last second lol. I thought rask wasn't posting that great during EOD but he also voted ladd, though seems like this was just self-pres.

Monty could be a villager, but he is also a filthy filthy busser and should not be cleared IMO (esp cuz the way ladd treated him was a bit odd if monty is town imo, plus Monty tried to unvote anyway).


That is not true at all though, biased take.

I mentioned Star Trek II from a year ago on CFC-by-MU, and the exact same thing happened, where there was a sudden push onto a maf at the last minute, I joined it, pushing the maf over the top, unvoting at the last second to let the tie rand - to answer Dolby, because I make a doctrine out of wagonomics and like to promote contested D1 wagons.


rask wasn't posting that great during EOD but he also voted ladd, though seems like this was just self-pres.

Newcomb is the key, because if scum shows that Cuth, Sleep, and Rask almost certainly can't be scum by wagonomics. And I'm pretty sure there had to be more scum than ladd in a wagon or at least proto-wagon during EOD, given how many of those there were.


- weirdly defensive of monty after he got votes? and the ways he was arguing it werent super great reasons

See my EOD wall from when you left.


rask + ladd w/w doesn't seem like a possibility to you?

Rask could have voted Newcomb, or promoted another wagon earlier in EOD (Winston started ladd wagon around EOD-30?), hence daypass. How do you evaluate his post lamenting his ladd vote, right after the vote?


monty if you think i bus there i have no words for you lol

I have you the highest-leaned player, what do you want?


yeah i think if it was a goon flip sure

but losing sorceror esp when a strong player is

going beyond like bussing in order to clear with that degree of things being up in the air into just actively antiwincon territory

Correct.

[nebjiamn]

im not fully discounting the possibility because i imagine ladd knows that i'm not... much of a commanding villager?

if newcomb doesnt have the vest today im not particularly interested in him dying today is really where im getting at. i still do not really like his posting at all but at the worst there's still two other wolves and an entire day+dead ladd to look through to find them
Mmm, ok. I still need to catch up but I’m ~ok with this line of thought I suppose

[nebjiamn]

Newcomb wagon - Ender/katze/Sleep - upper-null (Sleep might trend down, or lock clear if NC scum)
Sunbae upper-null
Dobby, Cape, HK, NC null
Zack, Csargo, Dolby lower-null
Nebbie scum


Cuth, I think I'll lock ya for a couple days, but not permanently given how you discussed ladd's slot throughout the day. Winston, Rask, you get a day pass, and probably a lock clear if NC is scum. Hopefully Star Trek II is reprising, except with only the good parts. It's hard to believe, but not a single one of you was in Star Trek II (though HK was probably aware of it, and he participated in the Mario 2 debacle).

Nebbie, I believe you could be the Mafia Stalker now.

Zack, are you sure you're not with Csargo? Although I do note that while I was slanking, ladd offered some kind of wack analysis about me being a "perfectly competent wolf" supposedly based on having read all my games or something - and you correctly identified this as townspewing me (see my walls).

It's is extremely likely that there was at least one other maf among the many protowagons around EOD, and potentially even among Newcomb or Rask. Overlooking D1 scum multiwagons has killed a successful town more than once in my relatively-recent experience. And with this many competing wagons, it's at least 95%, the details of which will always have to be guessed when forming plausible wagonomics associations moving forward.

@ both Zack and HK: Zack, in Mass Effect you hosted as Dolby was consensus scum-read and sacrificed (Logic sub). HK, you were town with me in Mario 2 when Dolby subbed in late onto a winning Mafia team and easily sealed the deal.
Figure out if he's clearable today pl0x.

Anyway, for doing all the things and ranking Zack/Ladd/Newcomb highly, Vote: Nebbie

Let the anointed please suicide Newcomb today, unless you're maf. It provides excellent info on Sleep, katze, Winston, and Rask at a minimum.

****

I expected Cuth to die, but OK.
Just so it?s clear, I did not have newcomb ranked highly, I just had him as someone I would likely not lunch yesterday. By EOD he was my top singular wolf read but I didn?t have the balls to lunch him

i did have Ladd as a villa read as well as Zack. I?m not sure what the problem is with having Zack (and possibly newcomb!) in that list?

[Newcomb]

Players Votes

Newcomb 2 (Enderwiggin, Sleep)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Raskolnikov 2 (Monstrdude, Montmorency)
ladd 2 (Winston Hughes, Cuthillius)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
Cuthillius 1 (Raskolnikov)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1118

Alright with 2 min left it was pretty wide open.

Yeah it was definitely more fluid. monte's 5:01 unvote is pretty lol

I guess you can't like, lock clear rask off that vote. Still, though. I don't see a way I vote for him unless the game really takes a turn.

[Zack]

Fair, but in posting and skimming from phone and seeing people say he?s no longer a wolf and I haven?t read a single post of his that?s been villagery. His posting the latter half of yesterday in particular felt charmin soft, so I don?t see a big reason to give cred to 2 very experience players for something as tame as ?katze lead eod? (I know it?s not just that, just forgive me again for posting from phone)

it's more like how ladd top towned newcomb from the get go and never really expanded much or doubted it. But also didn't defend him all that much from all the pressure (did he defend him at all?).

What is the comp of the wolf team with ladd and newcomb chilling as the only two on sleep for so long?

idk, it looks more like ladd was just wanted a villa newcomb to leave him alone but didn't actually care about the possibility of him dying (and maybe tactically did not return for EOD in case he could have just stayed away and let newcomb die)

[Newcomb]

id prefer the around ~24 hour mark personally

Yeah that seems right. I think the ideal way to handle it as v is claim around the halfway point, then fire the morning before EoD so we get a good 8 hour-ish chunk to take the new flip into account.

[Dolby]

decided to just iso ladd rather than leave the thread i need to go soon


do you have a read on me/zack's push on you?

you seem to care more to argue the argument than to sort if we are wolves pushing you iyam

ladd's second post is still pushing ender but kinda weakly. At this point I think he's got three people (one of benneh or newcomb i forget, zack, hk) agreeing with him on Ender having bad posting.


zack seems villagery. benneh is my top villa. lettuce form the masons triumvirate

hk said some stuff wolves prob dont say

i liked mont's opening for exact same reasons as sleep

sunbae seems wolfy



i'll help benneh [get the game going] is what I meant


https://media.giphy.com/media/nktAE4mw5EcSI/giphy.gif

sunbae
ladd is townreading benneh zack hk bc they're all following him and agreed with his push. I'm gonna call all of them town.

That random sunbae vote whack af though, especially when he can just vote Ender here and is townreading three people for pushing Ender (imo at least). Completely unsubstantiated across multiple posts at this post (including his first which I didn't include here). Don't think it can't be w/w


to pile onto sunbae:

- I too didnt buy the first post (in fact i was the first to call it out!)

- i think his second string of posting was pretty flat, the focus on cape was wolfy imo

- i get being openminded/not having strong opinions but i think he is taking it too far where it circles back to being done just to look villagery (and i am 99% sure its a strategy i have seen him use as a wolf in either s3 sf or the wildcard), esp when I feel like there is plenty to talk about (in his defense he seems to be picking it up now)

- he gave me a strike




his explanation for the joke thing makes perfect sens eimo - he clearly thought it was a serious post at first and then when he realized it was a joke he backed off

for the rest of his posting, i am inclined to agree with you. he seems more like a villager who is posting whatever is on his mind and getting in trouble for it than a wolf

expect i dont really villa read him as strongly as you (seem to)

he's just starting a second push on sunbae while ender which he also started is still going strong, and is coming up with reasons on the spot

think it makes sunbae v


i will prob be around even less tomorrow

villas

newcomb
zack

benneh

katze
sleep
HK
mont
ladd
cape

:clown:

yeah zack, hk, and whomever of newcomb/benneh said that ender was sus before post 150 is probs town


i'll give you the advantage too

enderwiggin

moves off of sunbae to ender in the 500s, don't know the vc at the time, will look at it later

531 just also feels like zack is not a partner to me but like idk why just vibes


i don't think sunbae handles my push like this if he is a wolf and knows i am a villager and right

mostly the whole warning his top villas that i may be a wolf pocketing them seems like genuine concern rather than something a wolf would ever think to do for show

and in general i got the impression starting from last night already that he was getting increasingly more frustrated with my push on him (feel free to correct me if i am wrong tho) and holding it back

his wall post seems fine too



I read a couple of monty games on this forums and he seems to have no problems posting as a wolf. can the orgers elaborate on why they think he is a wolf from his 3 posts?

eh maybe not v/w, could be theatre. Still feel like him kinda randomly pushing him was an attempt to establish a wolf-motivated second wagon though


vote:ender

maybe i randed wolf so much in these things that I forgot how to village lol

dunno game seems very hard to me now. I could see it going...a lot of different ways and am just down to get some flips

sleep will prob get villaread for his posts since i went to sleep but imo they are pretty bad. he really reminds me of myself when i have a wolfread as a wolf and i just keep forcing seeeing my wolfread's posts as wolfy instead of trying to see if i am possibly wrong

newcomb/hk are both bad wagons imo
yeah I'm just gonna call Ender a villager and ender/sunbae an attempt to establish v/v wagons early

ladd kinda engages with sleep in a way that feels low level annoyed at them later on, probably not w/w


i dont really feel that great about ender being a wolf either quite frankly, i just have no better ideas besides a shruglunch and see you all tomorrow
leave vote on MY BOY

express regret preemptively

profit

honestly a lot of ladd's posting makes more sense if he thinks Katze is a guy

alright i need to run seeya

[nebjiamn]

I feel like making the silly post and observation that if I were a wolf and newcomb was a villager, you can bet your sweet ass I gather the fortitude to yeet him into orbit last night

i expect no one to care about this or factor it in cause wifom but lol if I’m wolf with Ladd and let that slip away I’d never forgive myself

[Sleep]

How do you feel about Ladd attacking me and you shortly after we suspected Cape?

that is the question

yesterday i thought ladd was chainsaw defending cape because of that and i think that came through in my questioning of him

but that kind of thing is...malleable, i dont want to look into it too deep because you can get fooled by it and it can be just whiteknighting a town to make someone look bad?

so i'd like to use cape's own posting as my primary way of readign him

i guess the most concerning thing is that cape mentioned ladd as a suspect but never really went in depth there in comparison to pushing, for instance, winston, who at the time was playing in a super LHF way

and it was kind of a weird to have ladd in his wolfreeads because it didnt seemingly fit with the others

and that was on my mind for a lot of yesterday


idk, ill have to look it over again

[Zack]

ladd is townreading benneh zack hk bc they're all following him and agreed with his push. I'm gonna call all of them town.

wait, what? why?

i was in no way "following" him either

[Dolby]

wait, what? why?

i was in no way "following" him either

your three names are like

the three that i noted as also sussing ender super early in the game

it seems very much townread people for supporting agenda

following probably a bad word

[Zack]

also there was a post katze had where she noted that ladd quite obviously saw Newcomb make a post about feeling uneasy wrt sleep's push on cape, then he immediately pounced on that and presented a sleep case and pretended like it was an independent thought

[nebjiamn]

Dolby, Ladd often (always?) uses male pronouns for katze, fwiw

[Zack]

your three names are like

the three that i noted as also sussing ender super early in the game

it seems very much townread people for supporting agenda

following probably a bad word

just seems like a p shallow reason to write the three of us off as town

[Dolby]

Dolby, Ladd often (always?) uses male pronouns for katze, fwiw

that uh

makes a lot of his posts make a lot more sense

i kinda looked at a lot of his posts and thought ???

Was under the impression that Katze used primarily she/her

[Zack]

i think dolby's wallpost kinda stinks

:shrug:

[Zack]

I feel like making the silly post and observation that if I were a wolf and newcomb was a villager, you can bet your sweet ass I gather the fortitude to yeet him into orbit last night

i expect no one to care about this or factor it in cause wifom but lol if I’m wolf with Ladd and let that slip away I’d never forgive myself

so you're saying you were all w/w/w, eh? :curtain:

[nebjiamn]

so you're saying you were all w/w/w, eh? :curtain:
:boxedin:

[Montmorency]

Just so it?s clear, I did not have newcomb ranked highly, I just had him as someone I would likely not lunch yesterday. By EOD he was my top singular wolf read but I didn?t have the balls to lunch him

i did have Ladd as a villa read as well as Zack. I?m not sure what the problem is with having Zack (and possibly newcomb!) in that list?

That's true, but you also said


there's an aloofness to newcomb's posts right now that i have 0 idea how to process

just call it scummy?

:shrug:

i'm not sure it is otherwise i would

Piggybacking off others reads on him. Pocketing katze and voting with her on Cuth right after putting NC in a triple tie. Just feels sus.

And has to be emphasized that Winston challenged you during EOD. Voting ender to make him the lead wagon, and claiming mafia stalker...

You claimed Newcomb as a teammate, and it is possible. I commented on all this at the time I believe.


darn, monty beat me to a potential rask vote and now he's gonna hop off if i join

???

[Sleep]

it's also not how ladd treated newcomb at all when they were w/w in rocks fall, fwiw

it's more like how ladd top towned newcomb from the get go and never really expanded much or doubted it. But also didn't defend him all that much from all the pressure (did he defend him at all?).

What is the comp of the wolf team with ladd and newcomb chilling as the only two on sleep for so long?

idk, it looks more like ladd was just wanted a villa newcomb to leave him alone but didn't actually care about the possibility of him dying (and maybe tactically did not return for EOD in case he could have just stayed away and let newcomb die)

i should say, i dont really gel with the reasoning in the first quote - if u rand wolf with someone in a game and get beat, and then rand wolf with them in another game, ur going to try to change tactics because obviously whatever u did the first time didnt work. and i have p significant issues with the way they handled/talked about one another still

i dont really want to get into it rn because i dont want to spend time arguing over newcombs alignment rather than solidifying my reads on other ppl, and id rather newcomb be left to analyze things on his own if he is a villager, but i just want it known. ill get into it at some point.

[Zack]

can you give me an overview of where your head's at newcomb?

[Zack]

vote: dolby

[nebjiamn]

That's true, but you also said





Piggybacking off others reads on him. Pocketing katze and voting with her on Cuth right after putting NC in a triple tie. Just feels sus.

And has to be emphasized that Winston challenged you during EOD. Voting ender to make him the lead wagon, and claiming mafia stalker...

You claimed Newcomb as a teammate, and it is possible. I commented on all this at the time I believe.



???
I was not piggybacking off anyones reads on newcomb. I expressed a wolf read on newcomb way before that post. When newcomb came back later in the day, he was posting on a manner that I DID NOT wolf read at the time because it was, well, very aloof, like I said. I know newcomb is capable of posting strong as a wolf so I didn’t want immediately ascribe that as wolfy for him because I considered a world where he was indeed just a villager taking it easy and not entirely in tune with the thread.

the last post was a joke because you did something I don’t remember now when I voted or expressed suspicion on someone you were votning. I am not going to bother responding to the posts about me claiming to be wolf with you, newcomb, and katze or being the mafia stalker, cause lol

[Sleep]

i also think sussing ender because he and ladd were attacking each other day 1 feels kind of silly, even if they did end on different targets at the end of the day

[Zack]

i also think sussing ender because he and ladd were attacking each other day 1 feels kind of silly, even if they did end on different targets at the end of the day

I've expressed suspicion of ender all game, plenty of which had nothing to do with ladd. why are you being so reductive to make it sound flimsy?

[nebjiamn]

I was not piggybacking off anyones reads on newcomb. I expressed a wolf read on newcomb way before that post. When newcomb came back later in the day, he was posting on a manner that I DID NOT wolf read at the time because it was, well, very aloof, like I said. I know newcomb is capable of posting strong as a wolf so I didn’t want immediately ascribe that as wolfy for him because I considered a world where he was indeed just a villager taking it easy and not entirely in tune with the thread.

the last post was a joke because you did something I don’t remember now when I voted or expressed suspicion on someone you were votning. I am not going to bother responding to the posts about me claiming to be wolf with you, newcomb, and katze or being the mafia stalker, cause lol
Like, if you read my iso, you should see I have 0 issue presenting a case on or calling newcomb wolfy. If part of your sispicion is that I DIDNT wolf read some of his posts, I …. I don’t know? My posting there can just be taken at face value in that I didn’t know how to process it, not that I was suddenly scared to call him wolfy

[Sleep]

I've expressed suspicion of ender all game, plenty of which had nothing to do with ladd. why are you being so reductive to make it sound flimsy?

im not, im addressing the specific point that it was distancing, b/c i think ender was a reasonably serious wagon and i dont think ladd tries to bus day 1 because the cred for doing so runs out when people start asking why hes still alive. thats all.

[Sleep]

oh and another thing: i feel reasonably strongly that ladd making that full-throated defense of hollowkatt near the end of the day was white knighting, he had no problem pulling up posts and justifying why they were villagery and it was well reasoned and everything, it didnt look like a partner defense because he wasnt shifty or evasive about, didnt look like he was afraid a hk wolf flip would incriminate him

[Zack]

im not, im addressing the specific point that it was distancing, b/c i think ender was a reasonably serious wagon and i dont think ladd tries to bus day 1 because the cred for doing so runs out when people start asking why hes still alive. thats all.

ye i mean i dont think he *was* trying to bus

do you have any thoughts on dolby?

[Zack]

oh and another thing: i feel reasonably strongly that ladd making that full-throated defense of hollowkatt near the end of the day was white knighting, he had no problem pulling up posts and justifying why they were villagery and it was well reasoned and everything, it didnt look like a partner defense because he wasnt shifty or evasive about, didnt look like he was afraid a hk wolf flip would incriminate him
v possible

i'm a bit skeptical of HK because he's been really low-impact and the one game I played with him he was town and extremely aggressive and made his mark on the thread, but some of his posts were odd from a wolf

what did you think of how ladd defended monty?

[Zack]

who's the last wolf on a dolby/newcomb/x team?

actually seems pretty plausible as a thought experiment

[Sleep]

ye i mean i dont think he *was* trying to bus

do you have any thoughts on dolby?

none at all, i havent mentally processed his posts yet because ive been kind of sorting through my own jumble

ill take a look at them but generally when someone is in catchup mode id prefer to let them work before giving comment

[Zack]

probably isn't ender (?)

[Zack]

Players Votes

Cuthillius 4 (katze, nebjiamn, Sleep, Raskolnikov)
Raskolnikov 3 (Monstrdude, Cuthillius, Montmorency)
Sleep 2 (ladd, Newcomb)
hollowkatt 2 (Dobby, Csargo)
Csargo 2 (Cape90, hollowkatt)
ladd 1 (Winston Hughes)
Newcomb 1 (Enderwiggin)
Montmorency 1 (Sunbae)
Enderwiggin 1 (zack)

1062

this was the tally when newcomb was fucking around during EOD and seemingly not really caring what happened

if he's a wolf then likely no wolves were seemingly in danger at this time (and honestly everyone above ladd there could be town and it wouldnt shock me)

[Zack]

that was way too many times to say seemingly

how embarrassing

[Sleep]

v possible

i'm a bit skeptical of HK because he's been really low-impact and the one game I played with him he was town and extremely aggressive and made his mark on the thread, but some of his posts were odd from a wolf

what did you think of how ladd defended monty?

i dunno, no idea

it was such a weird, willful defense (and I noted so at the time!) but I could really see it going either way - TMI read or powerwolfing defending a lurky partner. i dont think i can read too deeply into that in and of itself unfortunately

[Zack]

maybe dobby is the bronana with newc/dolby tbh

not sure anyone else quite fits, but i'm also getting ahead of myself of course :sunny:

the way newcomb kinda lazily mentioned ender to start today in an "eh zack?" kind of way rubbed me the wrong way, dolby's posts just seem wolfy so far and monstr's weren't great (i'm not reading into the "i hope all of you die in a fire" posts other than uh, probably not w/w with rask lol)

sorry for spamming the thread, taking a break for a bit


i dunno, no idea

it was such a weird, willful defense (and I noted so at the time!) but I could really see it going either way - TMI read or powerwolfing defending a lurky partner. i dont think i can read too deeply into that in and of itself unfortunately

ya i had pmuch the same process thinking about it. dunno, it's a really weird defense of a lhf villager getting pressured, and especially this made me go hmmmm:


i saw that post and your monty push

you don't really push lhf like you did monty as a villager ime, in fact I think 1 of yours (and visor actually) biggest villa tells is that you tend to see the "what if they are a vilager angle" of the so called easy mislunches, like you are doing with cape for example (regardless of whether or not he is a villager)

you going after monty was spooky, then I saw the other orgers thought he was a wolf too so maybe I was missing some meta but from a quick skim of 2 of his games he seems like a perfectly competent wolf so i dont realy see whats up

but i guess I overstimated how much you believe both your monty wolf read on yrou stuff wrt cuth



yougotus.gif

chainsaw defense-y

[katze]

that uh

makes a lot of his posts make a lot more sense

i kinda looked at a lot of his posts and thought ???

Was under the impression that Katze used primarily she/her

i don't care what pronouns people use for me :p

ladd uses he/him, pretty sure it's just his default, most people use she/her for me, thats cool too


i think dolby's wallpost kinda stinks

:shrug:

the pronoun read is kinda intriguing to me in a "this is an abstract enough thought that it's probably real?" sense but the rest isn't enthusing

thought monstr was a bit villagery as well but i saw people were like hard clearing that slot and never rly knew why

[Zack]

i don't care what pronouns people use for me :p

ladd uses he/him, pretty sure it's just his default, most people use she/her for me, thats cool too



the pronoun read is kinda intriguing to me in a "this is an abstract enough thought that it's probably real?" sense but the rest isn't enthusing

thought monstr was a bit villagery as well but i saw people were like hard clearing that slot and never rly knew why
that's the kind of thing that is a true thought from dolby regardless of his alignment though

for the outburst i assumed

[katze]

that's the kind of thing that is a true thought from dolby regardless of his alignment though

for the outburst i assumed

maybe, i'm not sure if he says it if wolf tho? im not really used to wolves trying to clear me in fancy ways, or at all rly

and yea i don't think the outburst is AI and would prefer to pretend it didn't happen honestly, i thought his posts prior to it were lightly villagery cause i figure if he randed wolf after that game + the mash that he'd go for the easiest way out/do the bare minimum at all times and he had a few posts that felt like they weren't that

[Zack]

maybe, i'm not sure if he says it if wolf tho? im not really used to wolves trying to clear me in fancy ways, or at all rly

and yea i don't think the outburst is AI and would prefer to pretend it didn't happen honestly, i thought his posts prior to it were lightly villagery cause i figure if he randed wolf after that game + the mash that he'd go for the easiest way out/do the bare minimum at all times and he had a few posts that felt like they weren't that

by far the most memorable aspect of dolby's wolf game was him randomly declaring villagers to be paragons of towniness, so ymmv ~:handball:

[Cape90]

Winston kinda rocked it with the ladd thing tbh

sorry I wasn't here for EOD, would have hopped off Csargo if so (not really sure if I would have voted ladd or Rask in that situation, probs not Newcomb). But I was eating dinner out and i was away from cell signal. But dang I had this kinda asian style curry from like this pho place and it's so good. I am having the leftovers right now, man it smells good dude.

Anywho I shall be catching up

[katze]

by far the most memorable aspect of dolby's wolf game was him randomly declaring villagers to be paragons of towniness, so ymmv ~:handball:

that may or may not change things :bow:

never actually seen a dolby wolfgame ive just heard of dolby(4) a hundred times and assumed it was poking at him for having a volume tell but i'm not going to townread anyone in this game for posting 4 times ��

[Cape90]

Also sorc scared of me bombing mafia again

I would be shaking too

[Zack]

Winston kinda rocked it with the ladd thing tbh

https://i.imgur.com/DfzfQNG.png