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Dolby
08-16-2024, 20:23
Also Wisdom what does me claiming that Jan wasn't roleblocked mean for Maple in your eyes?

dyachei
08-16-2024, 20:25
oh god you want me to think about this sunbae?

if dolby is telling the truth the game just became very easy and knights or wisdom is still the best vote for today. I think knights over wisdom

or he's a wolf. But I also dont think he'd lie this elaborately

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:28
Pretend I didn't just defend Dolby wtf is that claim

Me, Jan, Dya, Bop+other neighbor I forgot, Arctic?, Ender, Maple, Dolby

That's 9 pr claims.

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:37
Wisdom how do you feel about Monty and Knights right now? Tbh I think you're circumstantially a likely wolf but in retro I am not liking Knights continued drop off and think that Monty just hasn't been towny (including the eod1 vote)

I think Monte has some wolf equity and have no clue about Knights.

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:39
Also Wisdom what does me claiming that Jan wasn't roleblocked mean for Maple in your eyes?

Eh right now I'm just trying to make sense of everything.

Did you say you roleblocked Manti the night after he claimed self resolving?

Dolby
08-16-2024, 20:41
Eh right now I'm just trying to make sense of everything.

Did you say you roleblocked Manti the night after he claimed self resolving?

yes but it was public knowledge at this point in time that Maple's claimed action was a day action rather than a night action, meaning that my night roleblock wouldn't have disrupted the distribution of the card.

This is also how Jan got the card despite his jail roleblocking Maple at night

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:42
Because roleblocking v!Maple that specific night seems extremely -ev and something a wolf would do.

And why track Jan when you have the chance to catch a wolf?

It makes no sense. It sounds like you're just a wolf roleblocker who claimed due to being in danger. That implies Maple being town though so wth is this game.

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:43
yes but it was public knowledge at this point in time that Maple's claimed action was a day action rather than a night action, meaning that my night roleblock wouldn't have disrupted the distribution of the card.

This is also how Jan got the card despite his jail roleblocking Maple at night

Hm. Right.

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:44
I think Dolby can roleblocked regardless of alignment. I think Maple can give something regardless of alignment.

And if there is an arsonist I have a feeling they're not dying today.

Dolby
08-16-2024, 20:47
I mean, I think I've written out exactly why that happened before this

I tracked Jan bc I can't track the factional and was worried that the same thing as d2 and d3 would play out again, and that if he did do something that that would be a indicator towards Maple town (him not moving at all would be Maple got, bagged and tagged)

And I was probably third most in danger bc tbh I think before my claim I would have received three votes max. That said I do feel that Maple is just an objectively suboptimal yeet today

but you've gotta figure out where to go from here

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:51
But I hate it here

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:52
Can you walk me through why yeeting Maple is bad?

Dolby
08-16-2024, 20:54
Can you walk me through why yeeting Maple is bad?

I think that if Maple is a wolf than Jan is always roleblocked last night if they still have a roleblocker

However because I saw Jan use the card on Dya last night, I know that Jan wasn't roleblocked

Which indicates the mafia either don't have a living roleblocker or Maple is town

Dolby
08-16-2024, 20:55
This is also a big part of why I have been arguing for a lot of today that it is realistic to think that Jan could have decided to not execute Maple last night (bc, well, I know he chose not to).

Jan also claimed that if Maple was a wolf his jail would have removed Maple from wolf chat for the night

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 20:57
I think that if Maple is a wolf than Jan is always roleblocked last night if they still have a roleblocker

However because I saw Jan use the card on Dya last night, I know that Jan wasn't roleblocked

Which indicates the mafia either don't have a living roleblocker or Maple is town

What card did he give to dya?
I'm so confused right now

Dolby
08-16-2024, 20:57
Vote: Knights

want to give more space

dyachei
08-16-2024, 20:57
What card did he give to dya?
I'm so confused right now

he used a protective card on me last night per manti

Dolby
08-16-2024, 20:58
What card did he give to dya?
I'm so confused right now

Maple claimed to give Jan a one shot doc card, and I tracked Jan to Dya (and Maple claimed that Jan used the card on Dya).

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:01
he used a protective card on me last night per manti

Oh but that's something else, right? He could have both doc'd you and killed manti? But Dolby is saying Jan only chose to target you. So he actively chose not to kill Maple.

And how does that make Maple town, again?

Holy heck my poor brain.

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:02
Okay so we know Maple gave Jan a card which he gave to Dya and it doesn't seem to have harmed Dya in any way.

Dolby
08-16-2024, 21:02
Oh but that's something else, right? He could have both doc'd you and killed manti? But Dolby is saying Jan only chose to target you. So he actively chose not to kill Maple.

And how does that make Maple town, again?

Holy heck my poor brain.

It makes maple probably town bc Jan claimed that if mafia, Maple would be removed from wolf chat for the night

And I think if wolves have a roleblocker they just always block Jan bc of that

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:05
But he's been acting so suuuus all game >:

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:06
It makes maple probably town bc Jan claimed that if mafia, Maple would be removed from wolf chat for the night

And I think if wolves have a roleblocker they just always block Jan bc of that

Why? Because you think wolves can't handle a night without Maple in chat?

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:07
If Benneh was roleblocker, would he have roleblocked before dying? I don't remember priority.

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:08
Not sure Benneh would sacrifice himself as a roleblocker if there's like 5+ alive pr's tho.

Dolby
08-16-2024, 21:11
I mean Wisdom

I think there is a very clear implication that Jan was likely to execute Maple, and it's not implausible for wolves to think that Jan was still likely to exe Maple after the ladd yeet (though it probably did help maples case). He did pretty explicitly say that he was going to execute Maple and didn't feel like he was gonna waver. Meaning that the rational thing for wolves to do is just roleblock Jan

And bc of the track I know that jan wasn't roleblocked. And it is possible that wolves didn't block Jan bc they don't have a roleblocker but I think that it's pretty town indicative for Maple

so like

I don't get what you're not getting here but the right vote today is not Wisdom

I don't what's hard to get here but maple is just not a good vote today. Or do you not want to move on to me or Knights?

Dolby
08-16-2024, 21:18
If Benneh was roleblocker, would he have roleblocked before dying? I don't remember priority.

think that roleblocking has to go first bc if roleblocker benneh blocks dya who's killing him I think that it's just reasonably expected the block happens

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:20
I mean Wisdom

I think there is a very clear implication that Jan was likely to execute Maple, and it's not implausible for wolves to think that Jan was still likely to exe Maple after the ladd yeet (though it probably did help maples case). He did pretty explicitly say that he was going to execute Maple and didn't feel like he was gonna waver. Meaning that the rational thing for wolves to do is just roleblock Jan

And bc of the track I know that jan wasn't roleblocked. And it is possible that wolves didn't block Jan bc they don't have a roleblocker but I think that it's pretty town indicative for Maple

so like

I don't get what you're not getting here but the right vote today is not Wisdom

I don't what's hard to get here but maple is just not a good vote today. Or do you not want to move on to me or Knights?

Unvote

I don't really know what the best vote is right now.

Why would Jan holster?

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:20
Unvote

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:23
I'm not voting you Dolby.

I'm pondering in Knights/Monte/Gemma but right now I'm so tired that I can't stop seeing double.

Dolby
08-16-2024, 21:24
I think that Knights is best vote for you but tbh I'm mainly there bc I feel like he's lacking (though pushing Maple as wolf KP at SOD wasn't great). I htink there's still time for him to recover but yeah

Also wouldn't be opposed to a monty vote bc from my pov he's been repping a hard wolfread on you while pushing other slots which is just weird, and doesn't feel chainsawy but it feels something adjacent? Idk. I don't like how he also pointed at me at SOD when we were both voting ladd, but I could see it as town from a perspective that he's focusing on reading me because I chose to play ball with him.

Dolby
08-16-2024, 21:26
I also think that I have to just be wrong on one of you/knights/monty bc I'm outright townreading everyone else but like, you three obviously aren't the team (please don't go gemma tho, I think that gemma is town and even if you disagree is just an objectively worse vote than knigths specifically)

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:35
dyachei I'm sheeping you tell me who to vote

grr
08-16-2024, 21:41
to be clear, I thought it was more valuable to establish if Jan had or had not been roleblocked then finding a random action. I've been dripping TMI that Jan had been roleblocked all of today. I also considered tracking Wisdom to see if they moved last night but I don't think they explicitly stated their n2 anymore
grr you can't really see me/maple as teammed right?

considering both of u are outed wolves i assume you're teammates unless this is multiball

grr
08-16-2024, 21:42
wisdom is the most lost villager i have ever seen, thats cute.

Dolby
08-16-2024, 21:42
considering both of u are outed wolves i assume you're teammates unless this is multiball

how do you feel about being the only one who thinks that

grr
08-16-2024, 21:43
monte is probs also a villager, no clue who the third one is.

grr
08-16-2024, 21:43
how do you feel about being the only one who thinks that

mostly amused tbh.

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 21:46
hello friendos

i am here and reading, pls @ me if you have specific questions



I also have a new job! :D (idk why all the big life stuff is happening during this game lol)

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 21:52
My instincts are telling me to screw you all and vote insomnia (I won't (I think))

grr
08-16-2024, 21:57
so just to sum that up for the people in the back. I will just ping everyone with this

dyachei
Vanta Black
Sunbae
Gemma
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Wisdom
Montmorency
theknightsofneeee

dolby on d4 claimed to be a joat who docced stett n1 (sus),
roleblocked maple n2
and tracked jan n3 (lol)

claim post here:


tracked him

I know this is an insane use of a track but I thought it would be a good proxy if Maple was alive today. Am a JOAT, used a doc on Stett N1 and roleblock on Maple N2




here d4 he claimed to have come up with the theory maple killed arctic as PGO n2:

I think I came up with the maple killed arctic with pgo theory but don't believe it anymore

think that wisdom is a wolf for posting unrelated to their claim



here is evidence from d3 that this actually happened


that makes me want to kill maple even more

might be brainrotting rn but what if Maple's PGO was real/gave immunity, and that's what killed Arctic

also gonna say, firmly believe that Rask did shoot Sheep

Bop and Stett were both probably mafia KP (assuming maf have a even night vig or something like that) if that's the case

so he claims to have targeted Maple with a Roleblock n2.

The PGO (Paranoid Gun Owner (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner#:~:text=The%20Paranoid%20Gun%20Owner%20passively,targets%20it%20d uring%20the%20Night.)) is a role that kills people who visit them. Dolby was evidently still alive d3. And his theory was that Arctic, who also might have visited Maple, was killed by that PGO, when he had live feedback from... him not being dead, that Maple is not a PGO who activated that night.

I don't think i will explain this any further but Wisdom is a pretty obvious uninformed villa rn imo ^^

grr
08-16-2024, 21:58
ok bye again :3

Dolby
08-16-2024, 22:03
I mean IH

That I was aware of that 10 minutes ahead of the claim would indicate I would know as wolf not to fake claim going on Maple with the roleblock

I began pushing that line on Day Three to generate reactions to that and see if anyone had TMI that that WASNT the case.

the way that you're pushing this is making me reconsider you bc I kinda just decided you were town and put you to the side after that for the most part but that's a problem for tomorrow

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:03
Vote: Dolby

Sorry for the rand friendo.

I think Wisdom/Gemma/Sunbae/Maaaaaybe Maple (And me ofc) look good off the spew.

Also Dya but tbh that's just a given at this point lel.

Dolby/Knights/Monty are probably the ones I feel worse about most.

And now I sleep. My 1 job of spew reading is done. =P

hmm a dolby vote here feels like a villager vote

mostly because I think if ender was a wolf they would be pushing towards myself/wisdom because we seem like the easy people to pressure today, and dolby has almost 0 pressure/won't be lynched. Feels like an independent thought. Also like the confidence.

Dolby
08-16-2024, 22:05
hmm a dolby vote here feels like a villager vote

mostly because I think if ender was a wolf they would be pushing towards myself/wisdom because we seem like the easy people to pressure today, and dolby has almost 0 pressure/won't be lynched. Feels like an independent thought. Also like the confidence.

Ender also just looks really good off of reading Benneh fwiw

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:06
I might be in a soft difference check with mont cuz of d1 wagons (otherwise Rask wagon pure or something). I just kind of liked his posts vibe wise. Dolby I personally agree with. knights i dont see, but maybe its just cuz his posts are making me laugh, i didnt give it much consideration. top tier i am fine with.

umm, maybe I will have more interesting thoughts later in the day it's just my GTH vibes (would but gemma over ender now cause ladd seemed to feel pretty strong about it but that's about it).

this is kind of a stupid thing for me to get hung up on, but what have I said that was funny this game?

I feel like i've been pretty good natured and happy, but i don't remember making a single joke.

this read on me feels p fake

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:06
My instincts are telling me to screw you all and vote insomnia (I won't (I think))

Why?

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:08
Look, if yall don't believe me, at least believe *Jan* who believed in me. I'm most likely dying in the night after dya.

I am concerned that *everyone* is coming together to kill wisdom here, and it's actually fuckin annoying cause at minimum 3 villagers killed ladd yesterday and wisdom should be solved already, but all the same it's entirely plausible that the last 1-2 wolves could bus wisdom and try to go for a f5/3 win.

Maple

is there anything you can say/do to convince me that jan wasn't roleblocked last night?

when do you give out your cards/abilities? are you not roleblockable?

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:11
So I spent the night thinking about it and I think I have to operate under the assumption that it's possible Benneh didn't know the wolves after the lost wolf goon signal. Not necessarily certain, but it also explains a bit why he'd basically be spinning wheels in the middle ground and keeping a relatively low profile without pushing anyone overly hard. Which means I don't want to give any villager points from Benneh spew to people.

which is fine, we can just ignore the bullshit and just focus on people posting woofy to solve.

I do still think the wolves certainly knew benneh in this case after the signal so I do want to still read into spew in that direction.


So it's day 4 and I think it's usually a great idea to reset once you hit the midgame and just methodically go through the player list and reevaluate all of your reads. Just a good way to not get locked in and cover all the bases. So I'm going to do that.

Villagers

Sunbae (thats me!)
Dyachei (vig, pew pew)
Grr (locked in by like every dead villager)
Insom (voted syn d1, voted benneh to open day 2, called villager strongly by Arctic and Ladd and Bop)

Leaves me a pool to work from of:
Vanta
Gemma
Ender
Wisdom
Maple
Mont
Knights
Dolby


So I'm going to continue working through this list today. It's not finished obviously, just working through the process and figured it'd be more fun to show the process than just post a list at the end. I think I have to work from that villager list being pure.


A small note:

I do not think Knights and Gemma are paired based on eod1. Knight's responses to Gemma and Gemma voting Knights before they all pivot to Syn just doesn't strike me as paired. It's the way that Knights shades Gemma and eventually has the "do you really think I'm wolfier than (someone I forget) or syn?" post that Gemma says "no not really" or something similar before moving off. There would also be insane amounts of bussing here?

I also do not think Gemma and Wisdom are paired. But I think the threads been hammering that one so I won't explain it further.


Also, if you're wondering why I'm so concerned about the lost wolf signal from Benneh:

If benneh is a pack wolf then I think I can clear Wisdom and Ender from the way Benneh talked about them. Wisdom was an early defense with an overly long explanation post and then went after Wisdom later when possible. Then with Ender Benneh jumped on my early suspicion which is not how he'd treat a teammate or anything.

The issue is I don't know if I can actually do that. Which is why I'm quite annoyed at the signal post (good post Benneh).

all of this is super villagery from sunbae (especially the paranoia about the mafia goon soft) and i like his nuanced treatment of gemma/myself at EOD1

already had him as villager but if you sponge any of my reads lock in sunbae as villa

Vanta Black
08-16-2024, 22:14
Vanta Black whyd u vote ladd

whos a villager etc

When dya swerved I thought that took a vote away from Wisdom, added one to ladd, and put ladd in the lead. But Going back over it afterwards it seems I tied it instead.

Who's a villager: I still think grr, going back and forth on dya (is my wild theory really all that wild? Because the Neb-as-lost-wolf if I'm reading it right could make it work), still really sus on Wisdom especially since she has suddenly started town-reading me.

Sunbae
08-16-2024, 22:21
I think I came up with the maple killed arctic with pgo theory but don't believe it anymore

think that wisdom is a wolf for posting unrelated to their claim

I am hung up on the word "anymore" here. Because what Dolby is arguing is that on day 3 when he floated the idea that Arctic was killed by Maples PGO in an effort to push Maple it was really an attempted trap to see if any wolves spewed knowledge that this did not occur. However, the word "anymore" here insinuates that it was a real belief at the time and it can not possibly have been if what is claimed is true.

I also cannot help but note that on day 2 the plan was for Maple to clear themselves with a "self-resolving role", Dolby roleblocked them, and then when the thread began pushing Maple for not self clearing themself dolby piled on and did not try to dissuade people from pushing for that despite being the reason Maple would not be self cleared.

I cannot get over these two facts and I will be voting Dolby. If I am wrong then I am sorry but I cannot work out how this can be real with Dolby's posting surrounding it.

vote: dolby

Sunbae
08-16-2024, 22:23
This is not the sole reason for my Dolby wolf read. I was coming to that via posting (their pushing of Ladd) and interactions (with Benneh) to begin with. This is on top of that.

Sunbae
08-16-2024, 22:24
I am willing to take the blame on this one if wrong and for the first time all game will ask Dya and other villagers who believe in me to follow.

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:27
So I spent the night thinking about it and I think I have to operate under the assumption that it's possible Benneh didn't know the wolves after the lost wolf goon signal. Not necessarily certain, but it also explains a bit why he'd basically be spinning wheels in the middle ground and keeping a relatively low profile without pushing anyone overly hard. Which means I don't want to give any villager points from Benneh spew to people.

which is fine, we can just ignore the bullshit and just focus on people posting woofy to solve.

I do still think the wolves certainly knew benneh in this case after the signal so I do want to still read into spew in that direction.


So it's day 4 and I think it's usually a great idea to reset once you hit the midgame and just methodically go through the player list and reevaluate all of your reads. Just a good way to not get locked in and cover all the bases. So I'm going to do that.

Villagers

Sunbae (thats me!)
Dyachei (vig, pew pew)
Grr (locked in by like every dead villager)
Insom (voted syn d1, voted benneh to open day 2, called villager strongly by Arctic and Ladd and Bop)

Leaves me a pool to work from of:
Vanta
Gemma
Ender
Wisdom
Maple
Mont
Knights
Dolby


So I'm going to continue working through this list today. It's not finished obviously, just working through the process and figured it'd be more fun to show the process than just post a list at the end. I think I have to work from that villager list being pure.


A small note:

I do not think Knights and Gemma are paired based on eod1. Knight's responses to Gemma and Gemma voting Knights before they all pivot to Syn just doesn't strike me as paired. It's the way that Knights shades Gemma and eventually has the "do you really think I'm wolfier than (someone I forget) or syn?" post that Gemma says "no not really" or something similar before moving off. There would also be insane amounts of bussing here?

I also do not think Gemma and Wisdom are paired. But I think the threads been hammering that one so I won't explain it further.


Also, if you're wondering why I'm so concerned about the lost wolf signal from Benneh:

If benneh is a pack wolf then I think I can clear Wisdom and Ender from the way Benneh talked about them. Wisdom was an early defense with an overly long explanation post and then went after Wisdom later when possible. Then with Ender Benneh jumped on my early suspicion which is not how he'd treat a teammate or anything.

The issue is I don't know if I can actually do that. Which is why I'm quite annoyed at the signal post (good post Benneh).


Ok so if I understand all of the claim situations:

On day 2 Maple said they have a self confirming role that will happen overnight. The thread, which had found Maple wolfy enough to force a claim, agrees to kill Rask over Maple in an effort to let Maple's claim self resolve.

Dolby, a JOAT, roleblocks Maple

On day 3, we open with 3 deaths. The argument provided is that Maple's PGO - an item that kills anyone who targets them last night - was activated and killed Arctic, who is likely villa even vig given the "death is KP" post Arctic made.

Dolby then puts forth the argument that Maple's PGO is what killed Arctic.

On day 3, the thread once against allows Maple to live because Jan can jailkeep, talk to maple, and then execute.

On night 3, Dolby tracks Jan to Dya.

On day 4, Manti claims that Jan jailkept Maple (a day action), received a protective card, and that card was used on Dya. Due to receiving a protective card, Jan allows Maple to live. Jan is killed in the night.





Here is my conclusion:

Having Dolby claim a track of Jan to Dya makes me believe Manti. Benneh's spew makes me want to villa read Manti.

What I do not believe is that Dolby as a villager can argue that Maple's PGO is an item that - in Dolby's own words - "Kills everyone who targets Maple in the night" and killed Arctic ON THE SAME NIGHT DOLBY VISITED MAPLE. And then use that argument as a means to push Maple. If Dolby believes this, Dolby would be dead because again, Dolby visited Maple that same night.

What I think instead is that Dolby is just a wolf roleblocker, blocked Maple to prevent the "self resolving" thing (which the specifics weren't known yet at that point), and then blocked Jan last night to prevent a Maple kill because keeping Maple alive to muddy the waters is pro-wolf on those two nights.

In addition to all of this, I have found my reads to be pointing to a Dolby wolf world as well as found interaction with Benneh to be partnery.

All things considered I will be Vote: Dolby and hope it is a hit

okay suuuuper agreed this is all super fishy IMO



AFAIK dolby's claimed track is the only thing to confirm any of maple's actions btw

super important to keep in mind we still don't know how/when maple gave jan a doctor either (and maple is claiming that jan said he wasn't going to execute him, so if wolves did jailkeep jan, that makes maple still likely a wolf, because why prevent kp on a village powerrole?)

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:33
So I spent the night thinking about it and I think I have to operate under the assumption that it's possible Benneh didn't know the wolves after the lost wolf goon signal. Not necessarily certain, but it also explains a bit why he'd basically be spinning wheels in the middle ground and keeping a relatively low profile without pushing anyone overly hard. Which means I don't want to give any villager points from Benneh spew to people.

which is fine, we can just ignore the bullshit and just focus on people posting woofy to solve.

I do still think the wolves certainly knew benneh in this case after the signal so I do want to still read into spew in that direction.


So it's day 4 and I think it's usually a great idea to reset once you hit the midgame and just methodically go through the player list and reevaluate all of your reads. Just a good way to not get locked in and cover all the bases. So I'm going to do that.

Villagers

Sunbae (thats me!)
Dyachei (vig, pew pew)
Grr (locked in by like every dead villager)
Insom (voted syn d1, voted benneh to open day 2, called villager strongly by Arctic and Ladd and Bop)

Leaves me a pool to work from of:
Vanta
Gemma
Ender
Wisdom
Maple
Mont
Knights
Dolby


So I'm going to continue working through this list today. It's not finished obviously, just working through the process and figured it'd be more fun to show the process than just post a list at the end. I think I have to work from that villager list being pure.


A small note:

I do not think Knights and Gemma are paired based on eod1. Knight's responses to Gemma and Gemma voting Knights before they all pivot to Syn just doesn't strike me as paired. It's the way that Knights shades Gemma and eventually has the "do you really think I'm wolfier than (someone I forget) or syn?" post that Gemma says "no not really" or something similar before moving off. There would also be insane amounts of bussing here?

I also do not think Gemma and Wisdom are paired. But I think the threads been hammering that one so I won't explain it further.


Also, if you're wondering why I'm so concerned about the lost wolf signal from Benneh:

If benneh is a pack wolf then I think I can clear Wisdom and Ender from the way Benneh talked about them. Wisdom was an early defense with an overly long explanation post and then went after Wisdom later when possible. Then with Ender Benneh jumped on my early suspicion which is not how he'd treat a teammate or anything.

The issue is I don't know if I can actually do that. Which is why I'm quite annoyed at the signal post (good post Benneh).


I think Monte has some wolf equity and have no clue about Knights.

serious question

how do you have no clue about me?

i've been a serious wagon/wolf read for large portion of the game in 3 out of 4 of the game days.

IDGI

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 22:39
Why?

Only because he hasn't been talked about lately, I still tr him

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:40
Villagers

knights

dya (vig)
sunbae (obvious villager)
gemma (their push on me today doesn't feel wolfy, and I don't know that I can ever vote them after EOD1)
vanta (did an iso yesterday and they felt level 1 villagery, their EOD 3 felt good to me in the moment as well, want to double check associations with benneh but still feel good)
ender (villagery posting)
grr? (kind of an old read, didn't like their read on me they gave today, but I remember liking their iso a lot when I read it last)


is there an obvious village read that I'm missing?

dyachei
08-16-2024, 22:41
Vote dolby

Did visor list an order of operations?

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 22:44
serious question

how do you have no clue about me?

i've been a serious wagon/wolf read for large portion of the game in 3 out of 4 of the game days.

IDGI

Probably a bad habit of never being able to read you so I tend to follow those who I think can read you better. This is always my approach to you in mashes as well. It's not your fault, I'm just struggling to find what's ai in your posts.

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:44
I still think that the wisdom role is real, I think mech wise it makes sense with the inverter (cool interaction), we have a flipped neutral that could have easily been an arsonist.

I know i should play the game and not the setup, but its hard not to metagame setups to a certain extent, and wisdom being the consensus wolf read yesterday felt like DADV (which was a small part of why I pushed the ladd wagon)

I don't really have a reason to specifically villa read wisdom, which is super awkward (*caveat have yet to read benneh/wisdom associations)

probably wouldn't go wisdom today.

Wisdom
08-16-2024, 22:46
I'm falling asleep and I'm leaving vote blank because I don't have the capacity to figure stuff out and it's 4 hours left anyway. Good luck and yeet wolves <3

insomnia
08-16-2024, 22:46
is there maj turned on?

i kinda skimmed while i was trying to get a top rank for a game, gonna find out if i get it at reset. so now i have some time to spare

im fine voting dolby. there's just no world where all the claims are villas

Dolby
08-16-2024, 22:47
yo do me a favor and don't maj me until like, 30 min before eod

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:48
insomnia i still have a very very light villa read from EOD1 and his treatment of syn felt not w/w


so i guess i'm at exactly dolby/maple/monty ?

POE gaming i guess

theknightsofneeee
08-16-2024, 22:50
gonna read benneh iso for an hour or so bbiab

Dolby
08-16-2024, 22:58
Vote: Wisdom

I kinda just think that it's in Wisdom/Maple/Knights up yeah. This is mainly because I townread everyone and I could be wrong on people, but Sunbae just looks a lot like a villager on days three and four. Monty I am wolfreading for reasons beyond "yeah maybe ladd is right" since I think that him keeping on saying "we should kill wisdom to clear Gemma" and just, not voting there, honestly looks pretty teammed. Knights is kinda just, I don't really have strong reasons to feel like he's town. Vanta black, again I feel their vote was meaningfully different than Benneh's, and would have made Benneh's unneccessary. Still think that ultimately everyone else not mentioned is town (maybe Gemma or grr could be wolves but I also straight up don't actually believe this).

I am comfortable town locking Ender. That is the most important non consensus portion of this legacy. If he is, well congrats on killing me while pocketing me

Maple
08-16-2024, 23:03
have a really bad headache right now sorry

im trying to wrap my head around "why this line"

Montmorency
08-17-2024, 00:23
Hmm, ok, so I haven't read any of today besides the beginning that I was present for. I thought this would be a fairly stable day, but it seems Dolby has claimed, at least (and more people think Wisdom is town?).

Here's where I was SOD:

Lock
dya
Maple

T
gemma
insomnia

TL
grr
Vanta

Null
knights
Ender

:creep:
Sunbae
Dolby

M
Wisdom

From my perspective, Wisdom has little to commend her, a variety of interesting arguments against her, and the POE benefit of moving Gemma and Ender to lock status if scum. Then, it's not even that Dolby is a SR, but that I'm very down on him after yesterday and there's kind of noone else to slot in (knights and vanta aren't suitable atp). If Wisdom is scum and flips today, then most of the rest of the round outcomes seem relatively predictable to me, not that I'll list it all out.

I dunno what to make of Dolby's claim or of Sunbae's nebby walls. So, please make succinct cases for your preferences between Wisdom and Dolby in the next hour. I'm not sure how I can make the right decision.


Dolby 3 Enderwiggin grr sunbae
Wisdom 2 Dolby, insomnia,
maple 2 wisdom, gemma
knightofneeee 1 dyachei

Could I get an update on: what Ender claimed for N3; what Wisdom claimed for N3; why people are clearing Wisdom now.

Montmorency
08-17-2024, 00:28
Oh, this is the outing post?
I read it before but I guess I'm missing some context.

If Benneh decided to sacrifice himself to make sure both Ladd and myself get yeeted is probably proof that an arsonist actually exists and will ignite to a victory.

What's the numbers now? 12 players, 2-3 wolves?

Let's run that, say 3 wolves

9v/3w
I get misyeeted
8v/3w
Ignition kills 2 + factional
5v/3w

Okay that's not an auto win but it's getting the team to f3 with 3 wolves.
Yeah that's not looking good for us.

Could be two wolves left tho. Could be no arsonist. Not sure why Benneh would make a move like that in that case.

But, there's nothing AI about this vote unless it's saving specifically you. If it's just town wagons, neb has no reason to drop votes like that, and hell, if we knew they were all town wagons retroactively, it wouldn't even make sense to shoot him.


Vote: Wisdom

Monty I am wolfreading for reasons beyond "yeah maybe ladd is right" since I think that him keeping on saying "we should kill wisdom to clear Gemma" and just, not voting there, honestly looks pretty teammed.

Unless Wisdom is town, in which case if I vote her it's power scumming.

Montmorency
08-17-2024, 00:33
Just to be clear, we have all the following flips/claims:

1. Rask neutral vig?
2. dya town vig
3. ender town inverter/upgrader
4. maple town inventor
5. Jan town JK
6. Wisdom town firefighter
7. Dolby town JOAT

Is that complete?

Hm, why have both inventor and JOAT.

Montmorency
08-17-2024, 00:50
What I think instead is that Dolby is just a wolf roleblocker, blocked Maple to prevent the "self resolving" thing (which the specifics weren't known yet at that point), and then blocked Jan last night to prevent a Maple kill because keeping Maple alive to muddy the waters is pro-wolf on those two nights.

I understand the argument from contradiction in PGO perspective slip, but - can you rephrase the quoted? If Dolby is RB and RBed Jan last night, how did Jan protect dya? It's just about plausible that mafia didn't want to kill themn and lacked kp in the first place to do it, since as of yesterday they may have believed they were played out, but in that case it almost certainly has to be a Maple-Dolby pair. Most of what we have are unconfirmable claims. But what we can confirm is that dya survived and Jan didn't. Visor would use a system where blocking a blocker would block their block, yes? So even though dya may have been exhausted PR, they were more lock-town than Jan, so using a Mafia RB to indefinitely block (contain) Jan, and try to frame him, while killing dya immediately, may be more logical.

The easiest scenario is that Jan both JKed and protected, with the shield Maple gave him.

Unless Wisdom is truly firefighter and doused dya at some point, but has she even claimed that?

grr
08-17-2024, 00:57
is there maj turned on?

i kinda skimmed while i was trying to get a top rank for a game, gonna find out if i get it at reset. so now i have some time to spare

im fine voting dolby. there's just no world where all the claims are villas

hope u get yeeted in this game tbh

dyachei
08-17-2024, 01:08
Sunbae I'm trusting you here

I think knights is a more surefire hit though

grr
08-17-2024, 01:10
When dya swerved I thought that took a vote away from Wisdom, added one to ladd, and put ladd in the lead. But Going back over it afterwards it seems I tied it instead.

Who's a villager: I still think grr, going back and forth on dya (is my wild theory really all that wild? Because the Neb-as-lost-wolf if I'm reading it right could make it work), still really sus on Wisdom especially since she has suddenly started town-reading me.

if ur implication is that dya didnt know benneh was a wolf, no. really doubt it after that EoD even if he was lost wolf.

grr
08-17-2024, 01:10
you guys are weird af

grr
08-17-2024, 01:11
why was i called weird.

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:12
Hey I’m back

Gonna be real I think wisdom has tmi I’m town and Jan wasn’t roleblocked

Visor
08-17-2024, 01:12
Players Votes

Dolby 3 (EnderWiggin, grr, Sunbae)
Wisdom 2 (Dolby, insomnia)
Maple 2 (Wisdom, Gemma)
Theknightsofneeee 1 (dyachei)

whatthistextdo

grr
08-17-2024, 01:12
Sunbae I'm trusting you here

I think knights is a more surefire hit though

umm just curious whats the wolfcase on him btw i am unaware of it. is there a post that has it?

dyachei
08-17-2024, 01:13
umm just curious whats the wolfcase on him btw i am unaware of it. is there a post that has it?

idk the post number but i think his d1 combined with benneh spew makes him look wolfy af

i talked about benneh spew earlier

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:15
Grr reconsider how wisdom was treating me. The hangups they had were just kind of unnatural, like they didn’t want Maple to be clear, But never questioned things from my side

I do kinda think that them not voting in this situation is kinda towny though tbh

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:19
Players Votes

Dolby 3 (EnderWiggin, grr, Sunbae)
Wisdom 2 (Dolby, insomnia)
Maple 2 (Wisdom, Gemma)
Theknightsofneeee 1 (dyachei)

whatthistextdo

Pretty sure maple unvoted and Dya voted me

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:20
Er, not maple, wisdom

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:27
idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored

like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me

i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low

and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me


btw lowkey, its extremely annoying you guys dont know how to spell enderwiggin and the e at the end is bugging my primate brain can you fix that

iove seen it like 5 times itg and maybe even fdid it myself at some point but it looks SO WRONG (and IS wrong!!!)

it doesnt actually matter but i sound out "ender wi GEN" like the word "again" instead of "enderwiggin" like the word "wiggin" and it is WEIRD


its vibes mostly but originated just from stuff that didnt seem sincere to me

my impression of his v games here on the org is he makes more waves and i feel like he's done more drive bys and flurries that read surface level v than real insight. the game with hally as wolf most recently he was limited there in availability like this game, and i misread him but the vibes were still diff imo

Ya ender is a villager

Visor
08-17-2024, 01:31
i can't see dyas vote of you, but i did find wisdoms unvote

for the love of god people, vote (and unvote!) with vote:

if theres no colon i can't find it while searching...

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:31
Yeah I’m getting more confident it’s knights/wisdom just from how the two of them are treating each other

Visor
08-17-2024, 01:32
Players Votes

Dolby 3 (EnderWiggin, grr, Sunbae)
Wisdom 2 (Dolby, insomnia)
Maple 1 (Gemma)
Theknightsofneeee 1 (dyachei)

whatthistextdo

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:32
Me: I don't need to set an alarm because I wake up hours before eod for work normally and it's a Saturday I actually have free.

Also me: Wonder what ti-- 10:30am wtf

Maple
08-17-2024, 01:33
wah i am here for eod

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:34
Ender vote wisdom to save my life. I’m trying to clear maple

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:36
Ender vote wisdom to save my life. I’m trying to clear maple

?

The fuck

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:37
idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored

like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me

i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low

and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me


btw lowkey, its extremely annoying you guys dont know how to spell enderwiggin and the e at the end is bugging my primate brain can you fix that

iove seen it like 5 times itg and maybe even fdid it myself at some point but it looks SO WRONG (and IS wrong!!!)

it doesnt actually matter but i sound out "ender wi GEN" like the word "again" instead of "enderwiggin" like the word "wiggin" and it is WEIRD


its vibes mostly but originated just from stuff that didnt seem sincere to me

my impression of his v games here on the org is he makes more waves and i feel like he's done more drive bys and flurries that read surface level v than real insight. the game with hally as wolf most recently he was limited there in availability like this game, and i misread him but the vibes were still diff imo


ill be honest i wouldn't expect wisdom to sort reads out like that (see: ladd mentioning she has a weird process on d1) but id still say its worth prodding her over the reasoning


if wisdom's a wolf ladd is probly also one :curtain:

These pushes on wisdom feel not w/w, but this last one where he kind of sets up pushing Ladd if wisdom is a wolf could be a way to set Ladd up if wolf!wisdom flips?

Idk not super enthusiastic about this read tbh

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:38
I’ve got to leave immenently but TL;dr for that portion of my claim is that Jan wasn’t roleblocked last night, which indicates maple v

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:38
so just to sum that up for the people in the back. I will just ping everyone with this

dyachei
Vanta Black
Sunbae
Gemma
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Wisdom
Montmorency
theknightsofneeee

dolby on d4 claimed to be a joat who docced stett n1 (sus),
roleblocked maple n2
and tracked jan n3 (lol)

claim post here:






here d4 he claimed to have come up with the theory maple killed arctic as PGO n2:




here is evidence from d3 that this actually happened



so he claims to have targeted Maple with a Roleblock n2.

The PGO (Paranoid Gun Owner (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner#:~:text=The%20Paranoid%20Gun%20Owner%20passively,targets%20it%20d uring%20the%20Night.)) is a role that kills people who visit them. Dolby was evidently still alive d3. And his theory was that Arctic, who also might have visited Maple, was killed by that PGO, when he had live feedback from... him not being dead, that Maple is not a PGO who activated that night.

I don't think i will explain this any further but Wisdom is a pretty obvious uninformed villa rn imo ^^

To repeat previous statement.

?

The fuck?

grr
08-17-2024, 01:38
kinda pissy rn cuz i fail to operate the forum correctly


I'd be really surprised if Dolby managed to tunnel me this hard as a wolf. It's like everything I post gets frowned upon. Tunnels are town indicative and the way he just goes on is just really hard to fake. We're not yeeting Dolby today.



Pretend I didn't just defend Dolby wtf is that claim


not how a wolf with TMI talks imo. Seems scared she defended a wolf.


Eh right now I'm just trying to make sense of everything.

Did you say you roleblocked Manti the night after he claimed self resolving?





Because roleblocking v!Maple that specific night seems extremely -ev and something a wolf would do.

And why track Jan when you have the chance to catch a wolf?

It makes no sense. It sounds like you're just a wolf roleblocker who claimed due to being in danger. That implies Maple being town though so wth is this game.


idk seems like naturally piecing stuff together.



But I hate it here


Can you walk me through why yeeting Maple is bad?

Idk think she is just super lost she doesnt even wanna keep pushing maple.


Oh but that's something else, right? He could have both doc'd you and killed manti? But Dolby is saying Jan only chose to target you. So he actively chose not to kill Maple.

And how does that make Maple town, again?

Holy heck my poor brain.

yes he could do both. It... doesn't lol.


Okay so we know Maple gave Jan a card which he gave to Dya and it doesn't seem to have harmed Dya in any way.


I mean only if you believe Dolby's claim yea


But he's been acting so suuuus all game >:

yeah i mean probs cuz he is a wolf. lmao.

anyway don't see why any of this is wolfy from wisdom tbh.


My instincts are telling me to screw you all and vote insomnia (I won't (I think))

this random sidejab here also seems not wolfy. like why lol.

dyachei
08-17-2024, 01:38
vote: dolby

Maple
08-17-2024, 01:39
if i stack with the wolves again im gonna be pissed

dyachei
08-17-2024, 01:39
kinda pissy rn cuz i fail to operate the forum correctly





not how a wolf with TMI talks imo. Seems scared she defended a wolf.









idk seems like naturally piecing stuff together.






Idk think she is just super lost she doesnt even wanna keep pushing maple.



yes he could do both. It... doesn't lol.




I mean only if you believe Dolby's claim yea



yeah i mean probs cuz he is a wolf. lmao.

anyway don't see why any of this is wolfy from wisdom tbh.



this random sidejab here also seems not wolfy. like why lol.

no manti claimed it too. so you could believe dolby or manti's claims

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:40
JOAT + Self-targeting inventor (If I remember Maple's claim right pre-inverter) = wtf

Like maybe? With role modifications?

grr
08-17-2024, 01:42
idk the post number but i think his d1 combined with benneh spew makes him look wolfy af

i talked about benneh spew earlier

yeah I read that earlier and loosely remember it was because benneh groupdefended sheep/knights a lot right. do u really find that so convincing? i mean idk maybe you're right, but i think maple and dolby are just wolves. im just confused you think that's surely a hit, i recall when i read it i thought maybe its just benneh stoking the fire between villagers (not sure if ladd/knights were already fossing each other then).

Maple
08-17-2024, 01:42
im refraining from hammering just in case

tbh i havent managed to get any more solving in today i am quite unwell

dyachei
08-17-2024, 01:42
did dolby just casually claim ender inverter or did ender claim it somewhere

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:42
JOAT + Self-targeting inventor (If I remember Maple's claim right pre-inverter) = wtf

Like maybe? With role modifications?

Ender just trust that I’m town. Pocket brothers unite?

Also I’ve come around the manner in which grr is tunneling me is super towny and I never should have doubted that read

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:42
Setup spec is probably bad and I shouldn't but nyeh

grr
08-17-2024, 01:43
no manti claimed it too. so you could believe dolby or manti's claims

yeah uhh? i dont think any of these are villagers but like, sure you could. lol.

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:43
did dolby just casually claim ender inverter or did ender claim it somewhere

... wtf?

grr
08-17-2024, 01:44
what even is the votecount

dyachei
08-17-2024, 01:44
yeah I read that earlier and loosely remember it was because benneh groupdefended sheep/knights a lot right. do u really find that so convincing? i mean idk maybe you're right, but i think maple and dolby are just wolves. im just confused you think that's surely a hit, i recall when i read it i thought maybe its just benneh stoking the fire between villagers (not sure if ladd/knights were already fossing each other then).

no, it's not about the group defense. it's about how he talked about knights compared to sheep. Knights he's very vague on why he's towny. compare that to like any dead villager - even ladd who he flipped on and called a wolf

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:46
Yeah I’m getting more confident it’s knights/wisdom just from how the two of them are treating each other

?

I literally can’t even come up with a real reason to Villa read wisdom that isn’t mechanical lmfao.

Please explain how that would be the case if I’m a wolf w wisdom

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:47
Ngl there's a niggle in there of "Why that set of claimed actions if Dolby wolf."

Because I don't feel like that was a good set of actions to claim if Dolby wanted to dodge the wagon.

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:48
Unvote:

Gonna speedread brb

grr
08-17-2024, 01:48
no, it's not about the group defense. it's about how he talked about knights compared to sheep. Knights he's very vague on why he's towny. compare that to like any dead villager - even ladd who he flipped on and called a wolf

ok yeah you're right that happened. (the reason i kinda tred knight was just some microstuff, like him blaming ladd posthomous d4 (somewhere at SoD)) i feel like thats usually villagers coping if you know what i mean. as i said i dont know the guy and i dont know how good he wolves but that was also something similar for what i had him as townish d1). not good at reading spew sorry when i read ur stuff i mostly agreed with the ender stuff and everything else was just "no idea" to me.

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:49
Dya I’m villa

Appealing to you directly because it’s not worth trying to convince people who could easily be wolves

Pls just reread my eod 1 and ask yourself have you ever seen me bus a wolf bro so nonchalantly without even trying to get huge credit for it

I was wrong on Ladd but only cause he was wrong on me.

I maybe shouldn’t have omgus’d him so far but I can’t take that back

I’m villa.

Hard claim vt

grr
08-17-2024, 01:51
Ngl there's a niggle in there of "Why that set of claimed actions if Dolby wolf."

Because I don't feel like that was a good set of actions to claim if Dolby wanted to dodge the wagon.

iirc dont think a wagon on dolby was forming. thought to defend maple becuz maple might just still have an important power. also i asked immediately in thread so a fullclaim might not have had been planned at that point.

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:52
... I suddenly had the realisation that if Dolby is wolf roleblocker it's absolutely possible he blocked me N1 and that's why Stett didn't get my ability.

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:52
If you sheep any villa reads of mine if I die it is sunbae/Gemma.

Don’t touch Gemma if I get eliminated. EOD1 from Gemma so pure.

Maple claim hella fishy

Dolby claim even worse

Wisdom claim makes sense but evaluate their alignment in lylo.

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:52
iirc dont think a wagon on dolby was forming. thought to defend maple becuz maple might just still have an important power. also i asked immediately in thread so a fullclaim might not have had been planned at that point.

Fwiw if I was a wolf I would have had a full claim planned out.

That said I would have ended on maple d2 if Rask wasn’t outted, and d3 if Jan wasn’t jailing maple

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:52
vote: Dolby

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:53
... I suddenly had the realisation that if Dolby is wolf roleblocker it's absolutely possible he blocked me N1 and that's why Stett didn't get my ability.

And he could block Jan which would be why maple survived.

They can easily be a pair.

dyachei
08-17-2024, 01:53
maybe we should vote maple because like...this set of claims only makes sense if dolby is trying to buy manti more time

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:54
Dolby.

Your claim is just so convenient bruv.

Like if Dya had survived or if he'd killed Maple or any other more ~likely set of outcomes and that track makes 0 sense.

It helps a villa POV in exactly this night outcome (Jan dead, Maple alive)

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:55
Is anyone Villa reading Monty?


Like literally anyone?

Seems like they are in everyone’s pie’s which probably is significant.

If you have a shot anyone Monty probably highest EV shot tonight

Visor
08-17-2024, 01:56
Players Votes

Dolby 4 (dyachei, grr, Sunbae, Theknightsofneeee)
Wisdom 2 (Dolby, insomnia)
Maple 1 (Gemma)


whatthistextdo

grr
08-17-2024, 01:56
maybe we should vote maple because like...this set of claims only makes sense if dolby is trying to buy manti more time

I'm good with that. I dont really want to make the call because i dunno yall have been playing mafia for 100 years i dont know why everyone always seems even more lost than me (except for inso who is just -.- tbh)

Dolby
08-17-2024, 01:56
Dolby.

Your claim is just so convenient bruv.

Like if Dya had survived or if he'd killed Maple or any other more ~likely set of outcomes and that track makes 0 sense.

It helps a villa POV in exactly this night outcome (Jan dead, Maple alive)

I’m just to skilled I guess

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:56
maybe we should vote maple because like...this set of claims only makes sense if dolby is trying to buy manti more time

Ngl I was thinking something very similar.

But the doubt is like if Dolby IS villa here then killing him means we can sorta clear Maple?

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:56
maybe we should vote maple because like...this set of claims only makes sense if dolby is trying to buy manti more time

Is high risk, high reward

Maple’s play would point me towards him having a strong role (considering he claimed to get out of pressure day 2).

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 01:58
Btw dya, if I was a wolf I probably would have fakeclaimed at EOD1 because of all the pressure on me, and how much traction I had had for most of the day.

Plus fake claiming in closed setups with no flips is OP.

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 01:59
Vote: Dolby

Nyeh.

grr
08-17-2024, 01:59
Is anyone Villa reading Monty?


Like literally anyone?

Seems like they are in everyone’s pie’s which probably is significant.

If you have a shot anyone Monty probably highest EV shot tonight

I would have to look back again but honestly dolby.maf makes me think monty might be spewed v so.

dyachei
08-17-2024, 02:00
vote: maple

Dolby
08-17-2024, 02:00
Aight my real role is hella whack but I also played last 7 hours pretty suboptimally so to be expected. Probably should have just tried to get it wisdom

Everything I have said about n1 and n2 is a lie except I specifically have TMI that Jan chose to not exe maple

Sorry town

Also the way that knights is trying to sell maple is wolf KP really doesn’t match with how benneh treated maple. Like, if maple is wolfing they are a pretty not important wolf based on both thread play and actions

EnderWiggin
08-17-2024, 02:00
Is anyone Villa reading Monty?


Like literally anyone?

Seems like they are in everyone’s pie’s which probably is significant.

If you have a shot anyone Monty probably highest EV shot tonight

Ngl Monty's actions around EOD1 and general play have been like, wild for wolf!Monty.

But also my read has no real grasp on D3 onwards so I should probably review it.

I still like my 3p read :curtain:

theknightsofneeee
08-17-2024, 02:00
I would have to look back again but honestly dolby.maf makes me think monty might be spewed v so.

I currently have them teamed so I’d love to see that

Visor
08-17-2024, 02:00
Players Votes

Dolby 5 (EnderWiggin, dyachei, grr, Sunbae, Theknightsofneeee)
Wisdom 2 (Dolby, insomnia)
Maple 1 (Gemma)


whatthistextdo

Visor
08-17-2024, 02:03
Players Votes

Dolby 4 (grr, Sunbae, Theknightsofneeee, EnderWiggin)
Maple 2 (Gemma, dyachei)
Wisdom 2 (insomnia, Dolby)

whatthistextdo


DOlby is dead, 5 mins for corrections

Visor
08-17-2024, 02:07
Dolby was killed.

They were:


The Emperor

https://i.imgur.com/zkje1V4.jpeg

They were village!

24 hours for night., Night orders due 7pm, so 22 hours for night orders.

whatthistextdo


Obviously do NOT post at night, thanks.

Visor
08-18-2024, 01:25
Posts as per yesterday for tracking:

https://i.imgur.com/y2ZXtlK.png

Visor
08-18-2024, 01:30
N4 Results:

Dyachei was killed.

They were:


Wheel of Fortune

https://i.imgur.com/1EECmtz.jpeg

They were village!

-----

48 hours for day.

whatthistextdo


Don't post till 9pm EDT.

Maple
08-18-2024, 02:00
haiiiii ggs dya thanks for killing all those wolves :3

sooo can I be confirmed v yet? lol

gave a card to someone who lived last night, King of Wands I believe. If the person I gave it to wants to out, feel free. I imagine there's a non-zero chance that not outing at SoD is +ev, depending what the action was.


reaaaaally hoping for a cop. unless they use it to cop me in which case im actually uninstalling this game. a self-modpeek would be funny, if that's in the cards, as it were

Sunbae
08-18-2024, 02:01
aw beans

Sunbae
08-18-2024, 02:02
Aight my real role is hella whack but I also played last 7 hours pretty suboptimally so to be expected. Probably should have just tried to get it wisdom

Everything I have said about n1 and n2 is a lie except I specifically have TMI that Jan chose to not exe maple

Sorry town

Also the way that knights is trying to sell maple is wolf KP really doesn’t match with how benneh treated maple. Like, if maple is wolfing they are a pretty not important wolf based on both thread play and actions

Nope, we've all been there don't be too down on yourself. This ones on me :(

Gemma
08-18-2024, 02:07
hmm a dolby vote here feels like a villager vote

mostly because I think if ender was a wolf they would be pushing towards myself/wisdom because we seem like the easy people to pressure today, and dolby has almost 0 pressure/won't be lynched. Feels like an independent thought. Also like the confidence.

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif



is there an obvious village read that I'm missing?

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


i'd say my bad about my ladd read, but honestly it was both my bad and his bad. >.<

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


Ya obviously I’m living in a world where Jan is a wolf and trying to power wolf and save his wolf bro from being cfd’d.

Which isn’t necessarily his play style I’ll grant you.

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


not saying i'm worried about dya yet but its something to marinate on..

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


jk hope i'm right lol

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


bleh

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


okay suuuuper agreed this is all super fishy IMO

AFAIK dolby's claimed track is the only thing to confirm any of maple's actions btw

super important to keep in mind we still don't know how/when maple gave jan a doctor either (and maple is claiming that jan said he wasn't going to execute him, so if wolves did jailkeep jan, that makes maple still likely a wolf, because why prevent kp on a village powerrole?)

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif



also maple being able to give items out to jan either during the day or at the start of the night phase feels super weird/counter intuitive to me, i would have to double check with maple's earlier claims and see if that is something that is consistent from the start of his claim or not, because that just feels fishy mechanically that he was able to prove himself to jan before he was jailed.

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif



My weak ass stuff on syn at EOD wouldn't be how i would play a bus, plus I had already set up a gemma!wolf read so i could just vote there instead of on a syn.

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


benneh is the villa read i'm softening on the most with time, but i haven't really read his day 2 yet so i'll do that first before I potentially move him in my reads.

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif


I just consciously realized that i'm probably over indexing on villa reading people for their wall posting this game, because I think people taking the time to make compelling wall post cases/iso's in 12/12 is usually slightly >rand villager, but in a 48/24 with post cap people have way more time so its probably just = rand.

will probably reeval dolby/monty/gemma/ender with that in mind.

https://media.tenor.com/PF0BL5IWwjoAAAAM/dwight-shotgun.gif

Gemma
08-18-2024, 02:07
Vote: Knights

Sunbae
08-18-2024, 02:13
Gemma that gif has cracked me up every single time and it's going into my arsenal for future games

Sunbae
08-18-2024, 02:16
Yes, I will be voting Knights today for Ladd and Dya

Vanta Black
08-18-2024, 02:46
Vote: Knights

Really?



j/k I like how you write a wallpost.

Gemma
08-18-2024, 02:51
Yes, I will be voting Knights today for Ladd and Dya

https://media1.tenor.com/m/l9ha7W7w2QYAAAAC/wink-napoleo-dynamite.gif

Montmorency
08-18-2024, 02:56
Sorry about last night, albeit my presence wasn't important (and no one bothered to answer my questions lol). So, after that round, I was thinking most of us could agree that knights was clearly saving Wisdom... but it could also be grr or sunbae. It's best to confirm Wisdom first. A hit would just clear Gemma, Ender, and Insomnia atp.

Vote: Wisdom

Gemma
08-18-2024, 02:57
Really?



j/k I like how you write a wallpost.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Y0uCLqs8DtAAAAAC/next-goldberg.gif

Gemma
08-18-2024, 06:49
Sorry about last night, albeit my presence wasn't important (and no one bothered to answer my questions lol). So, after that round, I was thinking most of us could agree that knights was clearly saving Wisdom... but it could also be grr or sunbae. It's best to confirm Wisdom first. A hit would just clear Gemma, Ender, and Insomnia atp.

Vote: Wisdom

https://media.tenor.com/2cj5umkSaswAAAAM/ted-lasso-tedlassogifs.gif

i think its wisdom/vanta/knights/benneh/sunbae but least sure on sunbae

Maple
08-18-2024, 06:53
truthfully, im waiting to see everyone's entrances today

Gemma
08-18-2024, 07:10
truthfully, im waiting to see everyone's entrances today

pick your favorite to find out what type of donut u are

https://media.tenor.com/scpIreXMy9wAAAAM/purple-cobras-entrance.gif

https://media.tenor.com/lmXM40bD4dUAAAAM/dancing-danielcraig.gif

https://media.tenor.com/mF02aqycgBoAAAAM/tommy-rall-kiss-me-kate.gif

https://media.tenor.com/hYIz4LnS_A0AAAAM/door.gif

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:12
I’m here and drunk.

Ilu all <3

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:14
Vote: knights

I survived 3 possible lunches

I count that as a win.

Not my fault Dolby fake claimed shit.

It’s prob exactly

Insomnia + Monty + 1


Or I’m stupid af.

Which after the last 3 days is more likely lol.

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:16
If sunbae is voting exactly me. I won’t live regardless of anything else.

Not gonna waste my time being invested trying to live. I’m sorry that villas think I’m wolf

But I’m not

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:17
Manti should probably always be a wolf in my world. But

Manti is the most random fake claimed I’ve ever met.

So idk ?

Gl when I die

Sunbae
08-18-2024, 07:19
If sunbae is voting exactly me. I won’t live regardless of anything else.

Not gonna waste my time being invested trying to live. I’m sorry that villas think I’m wolf

But I’m not

lets be honest, im gonna change my mind on who to vote six times today i just like to pretend i have confidence

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:19
For anyone *cough cough Gemma who is trying to fine me as villager

My EOD 1 make no sense if you’re Villa.

I vote you for over sym every time. I realize you don’t know my wolf game but I’m a HARD, power wolf’er so that would t be my EOD 1.


@ Dya I love you thanks for shooting benneh over me ??

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:20
lets be honest, im gonna change my mind on who to vote six times today i just like to pretend i have confidence

Lol prob true

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:21
Sunbae hmu with some stuff



This the modt truthful reads you willl get lol

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:23
My instant reaction to Dolby’s last post was “well that is 100%a villager” I would have changed if he made that post at 8:58. So let that be a lesson. Let your “I’m gonna die post” be 2 min before EOD.

Would have moved maple.

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:24
Idk if maple is a wolf tho lol.

I think I’m getting dominated by some wolf.

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:25
Or multiple lol

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:25
Gemma/sunbae are villa.

Let’s start there

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:28
haiiiii ggs dya thanks for killing all those wolves :3

sooo can I be confirmed v yet? lol

gave a card to someone who lived last night, King of Wands I believe. If the person I gave it to wants to out, feel free. I imagine there's a non-zero chance that not outing at SoD is +ev, depending what the action was.


reaaaaally hoping for a cop. unless they use it to cop me in which case im actually uninstalling this game. a self-modpeek would be funny, if that's in the cards, as it were

Who ever got this should 100% out this

Someone who is sober (not me should do the math of if we miss today it is LYLO.

Because could’ve be exactly maple/whoever claims the thing.

But I’m unable to do math atm so glgl

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:31
If sunbae is a wolf we already lose because I will never vote hjm and I won’t blame if he votes me because lol I suk

Gemma
08-18-2024, 07:34
dont edit posts btw

and ye i resigned myself to losing to worlds where sunbae is a wolf after y'all decided to kill someone who was consensus v instead of a person in the poe we dont have the misyeets to get to w!him anymore

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:37
Aight my real role is hella whack but I also played last 7 hours pretty suboptimally so to be expected. Probably should have just tried to get it wisdom

Everything I have said about n1 and n2 is a lie except I specifically have TMI that Jan chose to not exe maple

Sorry town

Also the way that knights is trying to sell maple is wolf KP really doesn’t match with how benneh treated maple. Like, if maple is wolfing they are a pretty not important wolf based on both thread play and actions

Okay.


Dolby knows that Jan didn’t exercise maple.

Jan wouldn’t let maple live except for real reasons . I trust him enough to believe that maple did something to prove himself or I get to blame him in postgame.

So tbh maple probably just Villa


So knights/sunbae/gem/maple are Villa? Who is wolf?

Insomnia? Monty? +1?

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:40
dont edit posts btw

and ye i resigned myself to losing to worlds where sunbae is a wolf after y'all decided to kill someone who was consensus v instead of a person in the poe we dont have the misyeets to get to w!him anymore

I read a “intro to mafia” that said you could edit post in 1 min or so.

But if not then I wont.

Blame GH TBH.


“I just changed the spelling to say “I sul” to “I suk”

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:43
dont edit posts btw

and ye i resigned myself to losing to worlds where sunbae is a wolf after y'all decided to kill someone who was consensus v instead of a person in the poe we dont have the misyeets to get to w!him anymore

If you’re Villa you should resign yourself to worlds where I’m wolf cause I would have 100% voted you EOD 1 lol

I even set up the possible vote

But decided to vote syn after you moved off me

Which was 2 min before EOD
SO Obviouslu not planned.

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:49
There is probably a very convincing case for me being a wolf this game tbh

But I’m not

I do either one of two things as a wolf

Hard wolfside and power wolf

Or hard commit to the bus and try to go deep.

If I was a wolf day 1, was obvious I would never go deep, and I would have just did distanced to try to get someone eles deep.

Which is the exact opposite of how I dealt with syn.

I did a very low commitment push on sun right at EOD.

And pushed them over someone I was already wolf reading who was voting me (Gemma).


I def had some bad votes since, but they are all explainable (mostly omGus/ a villager fake claiming lol)

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 07:56
Saving rest of my posts for sober knight.
S.

This game is gonna be really difficult and idk if it’s salvageable for village.

Wolves have played well.

I will be here most/all of day today so please. If you are Villa just try to ask me for questions. This is the day we probably lose if we’re wrong

theknightsofneeee
08-18-2024, 08:01
Vote: insomnia ?

Gemma
08-18-2024, 08:25
I read a “intro to mafia” that said you could edit post in 1 min or so.

But if not then I wont.

Blame GH TBH.


“I just changed the spelling to say “I sul” to “I suk”

and u left multiple other typos in there

u sul

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 08:47
Gg Dya o7

Also what the heck Dolby
Glad I was right town reading you just before the claim but that fps was not great

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 08:55
Just for my brain's sake

Living players:
Ender
Gemma
Grr
Insomnia
Knights
Maple
Monte
Vanta
Wisdom

That's 9 players left
2-3 wolves

Tonight is n5. A living arsonist would have 3 people to ignite. +factional +yeet. Would mean game is lost if we don't yeet the arsonist (if 3 wolves) orif we don't yeet a wolf (2 wolves).

But arsonist would have ignited last night, right? So it's very unlikely that an arsonist exists and more likely that I just exist as an anti-town pr unless wolves too has that "target can't be targeted" thingy someone had.

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 08:57
I still think it's Maple/Monty/Gemma, knight's posting m
Looks fine

Vote: Maple

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 08:58
I still think it's Maple/Monty/Gemma, knight's posting looks fine

Vote: Maple

Ebwop

Gemma
08-18-2024, 09:04
Vote: insomnia ?

xdd

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 09:17
Gemma what's your solve right now?

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 09:18
At this point I'm just banking the game on grr/Insomnia being town

At least until we get a wolf flip that suggests otherwise

Vanta Black
08-18-2024, 10:17
Just for my brain's sake

Living players:
Ender
Gemma
Grr
Insomnia
Knights
Maple
Monte
Vanta
Wisdom

That's 9 players left
2-3 wolves



Looks like your brain missed Sunbae, I think there are 10.

Vanta Black
08-18-2024, 10:22
I'm sober, but up too late.

Okay, Dolby said he was trying to clear Maple, he was town, and the evidence is there that he was trying very hard to clear Maple. But all that doesn't really clear Maple for me. I have no doubt he believed in Maple, I just don't know why. Maple is still a problem for me.

grr
Gemma

Need one more in my towncore

Maple
Wisdom
Knights

One of Maple/Wisdom, can't really put them together, but I don't really do that pairing/unpairing thing. Could kinda see Knights with Neb.

Vanta Black
08-18-2024, 10:24
My EOD 1 make no sense if you’re Villa.


I know this is you speaking to Gemma saying your EOD1 makes no sense if Gemma's villa. But this doesn't make sense either way. It reminds me of a bumper sticker I used to see that said "Honk if I'm an Aggy."

(This post may or may not make sense either)

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 10:39
Looks like your brain missed Sunbae, I think there are 10.

Really hard to get an overview on phone, thanks ^^'

In a 3 wolves who can ignite scenario, that means we'd have to kill a wolf today to not lose.

But yeah no I'm just not going to care more about potential arsonists.

Gemma
08-18-2024, 10:40
he meant to say "if i'm a wolf"

https://media.tenor.com/13CAqLIGyz0AAAAM/mr-bean-rowan-atkinson.gif

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 10:41
I'm sober, but up too late.

Okay, Dolby said he was trying to clear Maple, he was town, and the evidence is there that he was trying very hard to clear Maple. But all that doesn't really clear Maple for me. I have no doubt he believed in Maple, I just don't know why. Maple is still a problem for me.

grr
Gemma

Need one more in my towncore

Maple
Wisdom
Knights

One of Maple/Wisdom, can't really put them together, but I don't really do that pairing/unpairing thing. Could kinda see Knights with Neb.

Why is Gemma in your town core?

grr
08-18-2024, 11:17
Have some word vomit, WIM has been ever lower than my usual cuz I busted someone in a fakeclaim and they flipped villa naturally lol:

Considering one town player sacrificied village KP to spare maple and another one more or less sacrificed his own life to confirm this and also save maple I suppose. I'm gonna treat him as confirmed villager now. Game doesn't work when everyone pulls in different directions.

I mostly skimmed to see if insomnia started playing the game yet but doesn't look like it so have at it.


If you want my... like GTH state of nation based on... loose threads i am spinning here in my head while I'm at

v
grr
Maple

Vanta Black

insomnia can just be mafia if he doesn't play idfk what he's doing so

the knights sus i never got but several people felt it strongly so idfk
enderwiggin idk
sunbae ??

I am somewhat in huge disagreement with everyones take on gemma for some reason because I, to this day, dont get how her d1 was villagery, like both in posting style and in the vote on syn.

I think Sunbae being cleared based on benneh's spew is kinda funny cuz it looks level1 good but it's working under the assumption that uhh, benneh wouldn't try to make a singular of his wolfbuddies make look good of his spew which is honestly a big head scratcher for me but dya has been doing it so hey cool beans.

I will admit I am very confused by my own Wisdom read I was either right violently wolfreading her or townreading her.

this aint really helpful i know it isn't helpful and I don't want it to sound like it's helpful

Vote: insomnia
l
solve game or die or something lul

Vote: Unvote

don't want that to accidentally get hammered.

grr
08-18-2024, 11:24
I suppose I can explain the v read on Vanta




N1 vanta V


vanta is the light in the darkness

you can't deny truth


It’ll all make perfect sense when we I flip


N2 Results:

ColonelLubriderm was killed.

They were:


The Hermit

https://i.imgur.com/Fgm5L0D.jpeg

They were village!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hermit_(tarot_card)


According to Eden Gray, his lantern is the Lamp of Truth, used to guide the unknowing, his patriarch's staff helps him navigate narrow paths as he seeks enlightenment and his cloak is a form of discretion.[1]



I think the guy is a legit cop check. second is really an oddly specific phrasing and fits the description with the Hermit card perfectly.

so that's what i have lulz.

Gemma
08-18-2024, 11:36
Have some word vomit, WIM has been ever lower than my usual cuz I busted someone in a fakeclaim and they flipped villa naturally lol:

Considering one town player sacrificied village KP to spare maple and another one more or less sacrificed his own life to confirm this and also save maple I suppose. I'm gonna treat him as confirmed villager now. Game doesn't work when everyone pulls in different directions.

I mostly skimmed to see if insomnia started playing the game yet but doesn't look like it so have at it.


If you want my... like GTH state of nation based on... loose threads i am spinning here in my head while I'm at

v
grr
Maple

Vanta Black

insomnia can just be mafia if he doesn't play idfk what he's doing so

the knights sus i never got but several people felt it strongly so idfk
enderwiggin idk
sunbae ??

I am somewhat in huge disagreement with everyones take on gemma for some reason because I, to this day, dont get how her d1 was villagery, like both in posting style and in the vote on syn.

I think Sunbae being cleared based on benneh's spew is kinda funny cuz it looks level1 good but it's working under the assumption that uhh, benneh wouldn't try to make a singular of his wolfbuddies make look good of his spew which is honestly a big head scratcher for me but dya has been doing it so hey cool beans.

I will admit I am very confused by my own Wisdom read I was either right violently wolfreading her or townreading her.

this aint really helpful i know it isn't helpful and I don't want it to sound like it's helpful

Vote: insomnia
l
solve game or die or something lul

Vote: Unvote

don't want that to accidentally get hammered.

what the fuck are you doing

dont vote insomnia he's a villager jfc

grr
08-18-2024, 11:38
what the fuck are you doing

dont vote insomnia he's a villager jfc

even if he is a villager voting him would be +EV so idgi (why is he a villager btw)

grr
08-18-2024, 11:41
wote: insomnia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gemma
08-18-2024, 11:41
bruh get me out of this game like

https://media.tenor.com/KJkeqmglkR4AAAAM/willem-dafoe-insane.gif

grr
08-18-2024, 11:47
if you think insomnia is a villager you should vote him too so he wakes up. anyway he should post and do something. lazy vote for me would be wisdom rn just cuz everyone called her sus and I dont think the benneh spew just from bennehs perspective is as good as some people made it sound look like, i decided to treat maple like a lockvilla now for what i said before about Jan and Dolby and i have no clue anymore. shrug.

why do you even care so much gemma, and again. WHY is he a villager?

grr
08-18-2024, 11:49
people have been lazily accepting insomnia into townlock core more and more(!) as the game progressed and its pingy af because his posting is bad lmao and if he is a villa he should be pulled into ML pool by possible wolves at this point and not the other way around.

Gemma
08-18-2024, 12:09
https://media.tenor.com/zwa3doX9jukAAAAM/johnny-depp-disbelief.gif

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:26
alright, with dya now being dead i feel like i need to step up a bit

in many ways, i've played this game similar to ladd did. we both had very similar reads, if not exactly the same PoE up to his knights introduction. idk if you are all genuinely thinking i could be a wolf here, but just a cursory skim of my actions this game should let you know im not a wolf. at least for the people familiar with my meta

1) d1 i've built no options to counter syn and actually voted him in a crucial spot. this has never happened in a single one of my wolfgames

2) d2/d3 i've defended ender and dolby, one of them turned up village and the other im pretty confident is another. SoD2 i pushed against ladd's push of jan by defending him. this is not something i do as a wolf, my modus operandi is to let the village push each other

d2 i started my readslist and PoEing by pushing benneh btw

self-defense aside, i'll give my worldview and actually read the game now to settle it

first of all, i believe we're in a 2 wolves world. there is just no world i see of 3 wolves being alive, the game wouldn't make sense to me with that unless the combo is maple / wisdom and +1. if any of you think maple / wisdom are v/v, then the game makes no sense to have 3 imo. i'd urge you to say who the wolves would be in that world and what they would do

grr / gemma / ender im simply not voting today, or ever. i guess there's a small possibility of grr fooling us (not just myself, as many of his readers shared that read)


montmorency / maple / sunbae / knights / wisdom / vanta is the remainder which i'll be solving in today

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 12:26
I don't really trust the Jan/Dolby thing on Maple but let's do this instead.

Vote:Montmorency

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 12:28
alright, with dya now being dead i feel like i need to step up a bit

in many ways, i've played this game similar to ladd did. we both had very similar reads, if not exactly the same PoE up to his knights introduction. idk if you are all genuinely thinking i could be a wolf here, but just a cursory skim of my actions this game should let you know im not a wolf. at least for the people familiar with my meta

1) d1 i've built no options to counter syn and actually voted him in a crucial spot. this has never happened in a single one of my wolfgames

2) d2/d3 i've defended ender and dolby, one of them turned up village and the other im pretty confident is another. SoD2 i pushed against ladd's push of jan by defending him. this is not something i do as a wolf, my modus operandi is to let the village push each other

d2 i started my readslist and PoEing by pushing benneh btw

self-defense aside, i'll give my worldview and actually read the game now to settle it

first of all, i believe we're in a 2 wolves world. there is just no world i see of 3 wolves being alive, the game wouldn't make sense to me with that unless the combo is maple / wisdom and +1. if any of you think maple / wisdom are v/v, then the game makes no sense to have 3 imo. i'd urge you to say who the wolves would be in that world and what they would do

grr / gemma / ender im simply not voting today, or ever. i guess there's a small possibility of grr fooling us (not just myself, as many of his readers shared that read)


montmorency / maple / sunbae / knights / wisdom / vanta is the remainder which i'll be solving in today

I'm not with you on Gemma but I think this looks good.

Let's yeet wolves today pls

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:29
theknightsofneeee

gonna start with you first. if you are a villager you can't just naked vote me here, because im probably gonna tunnel you unless you lay out a case. it's incredibly lol to me that a villager could consider im ever a wolf here over someone like sunbae, who is a prolific player that simply didn't do much more than i have. your play has been to tunnel the big names with really poor cases and judging off your choice today, im waiting for you to see what you say and if i deem it really poor, i'll likely just end up tunneling you out for today. i believe if you're a wolf, your sus on me today will make it real obvious as to your alignment, cuz it's hard af to have sunbae as a villager over myself here unless you have TMI. there's just no comparison

also, i can't remember you focusing or giving much importance on wisdom / maple at all, which would also be incredibly lol as a villager with all the dead villas who have died and had at least one of them as a wolf. your play is starting to seem really wolf motivated in that you're just choosing to push 1 big name each day and do nothing else. what is your view on maple / wisdom and what did you consider them to be throughout the game? what i've also noticed is that despite your really low activity and engagement, you seemed to be aware of what was going on in the thread at all times, which bodes really poorly for someone seemingly "out of it" by pushing jan / ladd / myself


i still dunno wtf to do with wisdom / maple, but i simply don't see how there can't be a single wolf fakeclaiming. in that world, wtf is the team doing? nothing?

grr
08-18-2024, 12:33
https://media.tenor.com/zwa3doX9jukAAAAM/johnny-depp-disbelief.gif

you have an extremely strong reaction to insomnia being voted but couldn't even explain why on request.

that just makes me think you are just pushing things while not actually solving.

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:38
the easiest name to start with is vanta black cuz they have low content. i'll give my current thoughts as they are and then skim their iso because i remember it being pretty low content

this is a name that i don't think is a wolf. in my world, the wolves either did fakeclaiming (so wisdom / maple, at least 1 there) or they did ~nothing. especially in terms of EoD1. we already know syn and benneh weren't there and apart from knights, i doubt a wolf was present.

which is why vanta should be an easy sort fmpov, they fit that profile

except, they seemed villagery to me. it's not exactly impossible to be out of it and be a wolf (cuz this is what im saying this team is doing if it's not maple / wisdom), but there's an undertone of genuineness that i didn't pick up in their wolfgame. they just seem to be going with the flow of things and figuring things out without caring what the thread thinks of it, which is kinda opposite to what knights is doing imo. knights just seems 10x more calculated and having TMI than vanta, in that i really dont believe his pushes are real in the context they're being thrown around. he just seems to be contrarian for the sake of it and to powerwolf, whereas from vanta i pick up more of a vibe of "idkwhat'sgoingonmybffjill". their solving isn't directed to the thread as "look, im anticonsensus", whereas knights just goes balls deep into every push on the top names while having extremely poor reasoning and at times where they don't make sense to make (jan / ladd didn't make sense to be so strong at those points in time imo, as neither do i view myself as the right person to look at today with wisdom / maple unflipped and sunbae still alive despite him doing less than me imo)

admittedly, there's a chance im underestimating vanta black, but i don't think so. as a wolf they're just a lot more stilted and in here they seem really care free and not like they have a target on their back, which is what i expect they'd feel like. but ofc im gonna recheck


so, thus far

vvv
insomnia
grr
gemma
ender

vv
vanta black

PoE
wisdom
maple
sunbae
montmorency
knights

2/5 in those is what im thinking. 3/5 is not a viable world without at least one of wisdom / maple imo

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:46
re: wisdom's claim

i've thought about it and view it as low chance of there being an arsonist in the game. im 85% sure i would've been a douse by n2, if not n1 and dead by toDay if there was an arso with the way i've played. ofc you guys don't know my alignment and all, but yeah i dont think arso is alive. grr / myself would've been easy douses and would've been smoked ages ago

if we're living in a 3 wolf world, i think we're in a very dangerous spot and we might not even be able to recover today. at least 1 wolf would be deep by way of fake claim and / or EoD1 stuff and i think we'd vote out a PoE villa that is simply not playing the game today

mont / vanta / ender of course count for this, although i think ender won't die

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:50
also, @theknightsofneee

your posting seems real fake today with the self voting and giving up. it's very possible that 3 wolves would be alive today and you act like you'd be fine dying. you gonna blame it on you being drunk? cuz i doubt you'd be this unaware and thoughtless regarding the context of the game

do you think there's only 2 alive, or?

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:53
honestly, this is gonna sound wolfy to everyone but idc

im petty and feel like plenty people tried to make maple look good and not stick to the game plan of just killing his ass, instead we wagon people like ladd and maple's martyr, dolby (loldolby btw)

so im perfectly fine assuming he's a villager and if he's a wolf im also perfectly fine just giving him the game at the expense of extremely poor village play

/wolfy post over

grr
08-18-2024, 12:53
Maple didnt fakeclaim btw, he gave last card to jan who chose (we know that now due to dolby's last post) to not execute Maple which he clearly wouldn't have done if Maple fakeclaimed.


Aight my real role is hella whack but I also played last 7 hours pretty suboptimally so to be expected. Probably should have just tried to get it wisdom

Everything I have said about n1 and n2 is a lie except I specifically have TMI that Jan chose to not exe maple

Sorry town

Also the way that knights is trying to sell maple is wolf KP really doesn’t match with how benneh treated maple. Like, if maple is wolfing they are a pretty not important wolf based on both thread play and actions

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:56
Maple didnt fakeclaim btw, he gave last card to jan who chose (we know that now due to dolby's last post) to not execute Maple which he clearly wouldn't have done if Maple fakeclaimed.

none of that confirms maple though, we knew it would never and still found 10 different ways to spare him

insomnia
08-18-2024, 12:58
wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1


if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

grr
08-18-2024, 12:59
none of that confirms maple though, we knew it would never and still found 10 different ways to spare him

Yeah does not confirm his alignment but confirms the claim to be correct.

insomnia
08-18-2024, 13:00
idk, have i been so out of it that i've missed the point where we all just drop our grievances regarding wisdom / maple?

because im kinda using that as a reason to point at knights, but maybe i've missed the arc where we just ignored both of them and think they're villas

if not, knights' gameplay is extremely wolfy for not sharing the same view as us. he just doesn't get stuck on that (which is wolfy) but still has horrendous pushes

grr
08-18-2024, 13:02
One of the problems is that half of the village starts cooking not before 8hrs before deadline while the other half is alr semi-afk at that point. but can't really help that i suppose. 2h/22h is the only acceptable form of mafia for this reason.

grr
08-18-2024, 13:06
idk, have i been so out of it that i've missed the point where we all just drop our grievances regarding wisdom / maple?

because im kinda using that as a reason to point at knights, but maybe i've missed the arc where we just ignored both of them and think they're villas

if not, knights' gameplay is extremely wolfy for not sharing the same view as us. he just doesn't get stuck on that (which is wolfy) but still has horrendous pushes

I just thought dolby outed as wolf in thread yesterday, I was voting Wisdom exactly before that, not that I could decide or something. I think wisdoms role has nothing to do with arsonists and if anything the wolves would have another role like dya's that gets countered by firefighter. So that doesnt really tell me anything except for wisdom is basically a secondary doc claim in my mind. like a doc claim that can only stop specific shots.

I'm done for good with maple, he is a lock villager now, if he convinced one villa to holster village kp and the other one to not even selfpres on him as a wolf GGs to him genuinely well played etc. blabla.

grr
08-18-2024, 13:09
I suppose I can explain the v read on Vanta




N1 vanta V


vanta is the light in the darkness

you can't deny truth


It’ll all make perfect sense when we I flip


N2 Results:

ColonelLubriderm was killed.

They were:


The Hermit

https://i.imgur.com/Fgm5L0D.jpeg

They were village!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hermit_(tarot_card)


According to Eden Gray, his lantern is the Lamp of Truth, used to guide the unknowing, his patriarch's staff helps him navigate narrow paths as he seeks enlightenment and his cloak is a form of discretion.[1]



I think the guy is a legit cop check. second is really an oddly specific phrasing and fits the description with the Hermit card perfectly.

so that's what i have lulz.

what do u think of this insomnia. I think it's a solid clear. no one reacted to it which is funny.

insomnia
08-18-2024, 13:11
theknightsofneeee

gonna start with you first. if you are a villager you can't just naked vote me here, because im probably gonna tunnel you unless you lay out a case. it's incredibly lol to me that a villager could consider im ever a wolf here over someone like sunbae, who is a prolific player that simply didn't do much more than i have. your play has been to tunnel the big names with really poor cases and judging off your choice today, im waiting for you to see what you say and if i deem it really poor, i'll likely just end up tunneling you out for today. i believe if you're a wolf, your sus on me today will make it real obvious as to your alignment, cuz it's hard af to have sunbae as a villager over myself here unless you have TMI. there's just no comparison

also, i can't remember you focusing or giving much importance on wisdom / maple at all, which would also be incredibly lol as a villager with all the dead villas who have died and had at least one of them as a wolf. your play is starting to seem really wolf motivated in that you're just choosing to push 1 big name each day and do nothing else. what is your view on maple / wisdom and what did you consider them to be throughout the game? what i've also noticed is that despite your really low activity and engagement, you seemed to be aware of what was going on in the thread at all times, which bodes really poorly for someone seemingly "out of it" by pushing jan / ladd / myself


i still dunno wtf to do with wisdom / maple, but i simply don't see how there can't be a single wolf fakeclaiming. in that world, wtf is the team doing? nothing?


also, @theknightsofneee

your posting seems real fake today with the self voting and giving up. it's very possible that 3 wolves would be alive today and you act like you'd be fine dying. you gonna blame it on you being drunk? cuz i doubt you'd be this unaware and thoughtless regarding the context of the game

do you think there's only 2 alive, or?

i don't see why you'd feel the need to add me to the pile of pushes while giving sunbae leeway, what iyo makes me a good push to have here? what are the wolfy things i've done? also, what has sunbae done that makes you speak like he's confirmed villa to you, because altogether i think i look like 4x better than him, so explain that as well please

theknightsofneeee

added all the posts for you to reply in one post so you don't miss it


you think the wolfteam just decided to bus instead of voting either of you or gemma here? kinda feel like you're outing yourself just by having this view cuz how tf can a villager think this

i have the option to sit on gemma or push YOU over a wolf and i just save both of you? looooooool

insomnia
08-18-2024, 13:14
uhh i feel like a part of the post got eaten up

i was gonna say how tf can he think monty and i are wolves because... and then the "you think" part comes in

like if im wolf i've done what i said in that post and monty unvoted one of the "villagers" when he could just as easily stick his vote

idk, his answers for that EoD1 and the view of it is just insane imo, especially from his PoV

i had gemma as a push, i was angling to voting him and dip all of that to bus syn in the best spot and out of all the slots in the game he thinks im a better vote here? cmon bro if you're a villager it's a two way street, can't say we are meant to find you after you push things with seemingly no thought. or maybe you're just a wolf

but most of all i find it incredibly odd he's giving sunbae all this leeway cuz i think i look 5x better than him. it's much easier to tinfoil him than myself, that's at least if you imply to have read the thread, which he did numerous times imo. he knew what was going on despite being afk

insomnia
08-18-2024, 13:17
yeah ih, i found it funny cuz i elaborated on my read without reading your post

even without it i dont think i'd want vanta dead. i also think it's a solid possibility wolves killed bop for his peek rather than pushes, that's if we think wisdom is a villager which im not sold on for sure

Sunbae were you the one with mont meta? is it normal for him to be this inactive? is he an easy read, what do you think of him etc etc

it seems like we've all just added mont to our poes and are mindlessly voting him and it kinda pings me, cuz why didn't you all do it by now? why exactly now? it's not like he had moments where he shifted his villageriness, he's played the same way all game

insomnia
08-18-2024, 13:18
wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1


if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

this is why you should read

mont didn't bus, he just unvoted rask right before the syn wagon blew up

insomnia
08-18-2024, 13:20
gonna lol if we're in the world of knights / gemma / +1 and they actually bussed syn and loved that option over voting each other cuz they both had decent roles and syn had a shit one

but that would be too cool to be true

insomnia
08-18-2024, 13:22
one last question and im gonna try to read some things

knights, why do you think sunbae is a villager here? his benneh push is not in his wheelhouse? he can't bus?

he's a 10x better wolf than i am both on posting and especially because he can bus, i don't want to. im just clueless how fypov you think he's a locked villa but i could be a wolf over him, makes no sense to me

Gemma
08-18-2024, 14:13
the easiest name to start with is vanta black cuz they have low content. i'll give my current thoughts as they are and then skim their iso because i remember it being pretty low content

this is a name that i don't think is a wolf. in my world, the wolves either did fakeclaiming (so wisdom / maple, at least 1 there) or they did ~nothing. especially in terms of EoD1. we already know syn and benneh weren't there and apart from knights, i doubt a wolf was present.

which is why vanta should be an easy sort fmpov, they fit that profile

except, they seemed villagery to me. it's not exactly impossible to be out of it and be a wolf (cuz this is what im saying this team is doing if it's not maple / wisdom), but there's an undertone of genuineness that i didn't pick up in their wolfgame. they just seem to be going with the flow of things and figuring things out without caring what the thread thinks of it, which is kinda opposite to what knights is doing imo. knights just seems 10x more calculated and having TMI than vanta, in that i really dont believe his pushes are real in the context they're being thrown around. he just seems to be contrarian for the sake of it and to powerwolf, whereas from vanta i pick up more of a vibe of "idkwhat'sgoingonmybffjill". their solving isn't directed to the thread as "look, im anticonsensus", whereas knights just goes balls deep into every push on the top names while having extremely poor reasoning and at times where they don't make sense to make (jan / ladd didn't make sense to be so strong at those points in time imo, as neither do i view myself as the right person to look at today with wisdom / maple unflipped and sunbae still alive despite him doing less than me imo)

admittedly, there's a chance im underestimating vanta black, but i don't think so. as a wolf they're just a lot more stilted and in here they seem really care free and not like they have a target on their back, which is what i expect they'd feel like. but ofc im gonna recheck

you what now

vanta is all but outed wolf fmpov like they're basically just lolcatting in thread and havent done anything in 2 dayphases

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 14:22
Maple didnt fakeclaim btw, he gave last card to jan who chose (we know that now due to dolby's last post) to not execute Maple which he clearly wouldn't have done if Maple fakeclaimed.

Couldn’t Maple have given Jan the vig shot knowing that Jan couldn't use it? Did Dolby ever say why Jan didn't shoot or could he have tracked Jan and Jan got roleblocked or jailkept or something?

Wisdom
08-18-2024, 14:23
wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1


if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

Mont... didn't sub in iirc. He just joined thread late.

Gemma
08-18-2024, 14:27
https://www.falseknees.com/comics/imgs/310.png

grr
08-18-2024, 14:29
Couldn’t Maple have given Jan the vig shot knowing that Jan couldn't use it? Did Dolby ever say why Jan didn't shoot or could he have tracked Jan and Jan got roleblocked or jailkept or something?

They claimed to have given a doc not a vigshot?

wrt dolby I can only speculate but note that he flipped Emperor while Jan flipped Empress or something. So if I had a wild guess I would say there probably was some wiretapping stuff going on, so Dolby had some info what Jan was doing specifically (maybe he could observe his actions? or his chat?)

anyhow its just guessing he was clear the only info he gave out is that Jan specifally chose to spare Manti.

Montmorency
08-18-2024, 14:31
I read a “intro to mafia” that said you could edit post in 1 min or so.

But if not then I wont.

Blame GH TBH.

You have exactly almost-60 seconds for ninja edits.


the easiest name to start with is vanta black cuz they have low content. i'll give my current thoughts as they are and then skim their iso because i remember it being pretty low content

this is a name that i don't think is a wolf. in my world, the wolves either did fakeclaiming (so wisdom / maple, at least 1 there) or they did ~nothing. especially in terms of EoD1. we already know syn and benneh weren't there and apart from knights, i doubt a wolf was present.

Why can't Ender be a fakeclaiming scum? Maple's claim is better supported at this time. I'm not even sure what Ender is supposed to be - an upgrader? an inverter?

In terms of PR claims alone it should be clear atp that Maple > Ender > Wisdom


wisdom / sunbae / mont / knights

the best combo here is knights + 1

if im mistaken about the wolf plan and wolves were just under heavy artillery and decided to bus, knights / mont makes sense. mont having just subbed in, is put in an extremely rough spot and would rather bus syn (or have collectively decided in wolfchat they would bus) and knights / mont just get rid of him, especially because benneh was at a heavy disadvantage already by being afk for that. someone would have to carry the torch

idk, i said the wolves did nothing but that world actually doesn't make sense to me typing about it. because it'd have to be like vanta / +1, but i just dont think vanta is a wolf

Are you talking about someone else here?

See, be careful about invoking consensus when reading knights for this reason. Whether or not knights is a hit, this is a seriously-divided player list who can hardly agree on basic facts like who voted where on D1. (Yes, I noticed you corrected yourself later.)

The one POE most players have consensus on is probably Wisdom...


it seems like we've all just added mont to our poes and are mindlessly voting him and it kinda pings me, cuz why didn't you all do it by now? why exactly now? it's not like he had moments where he shifted his villageriness, he's played the same way all game


I would just say that my play throughout the game should be pretty difficult to pinpoint as pro-mafia. But for various reasons, I tend to hit a POE-wall by midgame and either get mafia-driven MLed, or just NKed by mafia. This is never a game where I'm NKed, unless Wisdom is a hit today and I personally lead another winning wagon tomorrow while solving the #3.

Montmorency
08-18-2024, 14:34
Maple

Just tell us who you gifted and why.
EnderWiggin
Any updates on your PR?


you what now

vanta is all but outed wolf fmpov like they're basically just lolcatting in thread and havent done anything in 2 dayphases

Why did Vanta and neb simultaneously save Wisdom at EOD3? It's at least a little anti-pairing, isn't it?

grr
08-18-2024, 14:35
They claimed to have given a doc not a vigshot?

wrt dolby I can only speculate but note that he flipped Emperor while Jan flipped Empress or something. So if I had a wild guess I would say there probably was some wiretapping stuff going on, so Dolby had some info what Jan was doing specifically (maybe he could observe his actions? or his chat?)

anyhow its just guessing he was clear the only info he gave out is that Jan specifally chose to spare Manti.

which was the only holdup i had with manti living cause Jan stated clearly he would not do that if he didnt have VERY good reason to do so:


Vote: Wisdom

I will jail Maple and you can assume I will execute.

We will have a night talk of course but this is where I stand right now and big things need to happen for that to change. (actual hard confirmation that the village can comprehend even if I die).


info has changed with dolbys claim so thats that.

grr
08-18-2024, 14:37
I am fairly confident gemma is villa.
I have nothing to quote on the matter.

based read.

grr
08-18-2024, 14:39
Yeah well maybe it's just gunna be Wisdom and knights and my vibe radar has been completely off the rocker this game. Bye.

Gemma
08-18-2024, 14:42
Why did Vanta and neb simultaneously save Wisdom at EOD3? It's at least a little anti-pairing, isn't it?

bc its too wolfy?

grr
08-18-2024, 14:44
i'd say my bad about my ladd read, but honestly it was both my bad and his bad. >.<



nice shot on benneh dya, i was 100% gonna push him for his very tentative vote on ladd at the EOD only when it was likely to push him over.

blame vanta much less for their vote because they showed hesitancy to voting with me and picked a different wagon first.

glad i got there on jan, but i'm surprised that Maple is alive ? did he give reasoning for not killing you?

my initial thought is that maybe jan got roleblocked and couldn't execute maple? (afaik thats how it works in TOS, if the jailer gets roleblocked they can't execute)



gonna read benneh for spew, probably a fairly good amount there, gonna read specifically for his reads on wisdom/maple/vanta/monty/enderwiggen as those are my most unsure atm

so i have never done an actual ISO of the guy after d1.

i just read sentences like this once in a while and they feel like a villa coping to me, if you know what i mean, but then newcomb said semisus, ladd said sus, dya said they were confident on knights and im like. in normal worlds i should be the one who is wrong here and not everyone else. and i defo joined this game as a side character and not to tell every mafia goat on the planet they are wrong so, shrug.

Montmorency
08-18-2024, 14:46
OK, seriously, everyone understands that if Wisdom is scum, she spews 3 players clear. Look at the votes and interactions. She has the weakest PR claim, has been saved under fishy circumstances every day (once by flipped mafia), has been pushed by a string of townies and town-cred individuals, and has a lot of textual arguments against her. Also, a pretty atrocious POE, not that that's very AI right now.

Maple remains self-clearing.

Insomnia has offered better town-type play and votes than anyone alive btw. I don't know how people can compare themselves to Insomnia tbh.

grr plz do more complete vote histories

If Wisdom is town, the POE is completely open and the team could kind of be anyone. Could be some stupid team like grr-vanta-sunbae. We flatly lose, no chance, if Wisdom is town. We probably box Mafia out and win if she's scum. So...

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1267226561.5482/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.webp

Montmorency
08-18-2024, 14:48
bc its too wolfy?

You mean they wanted to seem wolfy?

insomnia
08-18-2024, 14:50
Aren't you just saying that out of French solidarity? :verycool:



Here's how I see this EOD.

Knights convinced me he's not a good candidate for today.

Syn's wagon seems relatively trustworthy. Syn does have a history of getting outed quick by meta-havers. But the Rask note (I haven't reached it?) is troubling.

Gemma is the player I have the strongest negative opinion on, but it's almost like low-null. I can't think of anything worthy about the voters.

Few thoughts about anyone else.

I'll do the right thing.

which note was this? iirc rask said syn is a villager, why would it be troubling? the people who voted him didn't have meta

Gemma
08-18-2024, 14:50
Yeah well maybe it's just gunna be Wisdom and knights and my vibe radar has been completely off the rocker this game. Bye.

i apologize for snapping at you

im a little on edge after village keeps refusing to yeet anyone i want to yeet and yeets my villagers instead

do whatever you like with your reads / vote

follow your heart

dont let your dreams be dreams

https://media.tenor.com/09ePVGhvgwUAAAAM/shiay-do.gif

grr
08-18-2024, 14:52
grr plz do more complete vote histories


yeah in ~20 minutes

Gemma
08-18-2024, 14:52
You mean they wanted to seem wolfy?

nah sry was response to ur 2nd part, like do u think its unaligned because twtbaw or is there some other logic at play

insomnia
08-18-2024, 14:56
i re-read EoD1 specifically aiming to read mont and it just makes me wanna vote knights so much harder

idk if im gonna vote anyone that is not him. let's see what answers he comes up with though to my questions

insomnia
08-18-2024, 14:58
IF there should be a wolf in gemma / knights, i feel like it's always knights

specifically looking at that EoD, gemma was a lot more passive and reactionary than knights and they were both susceptible to dying. knights was posting a lot more like a wolf

also i reminded myself of his terrible pass to benneh while he was saying sunbae wasn't doing much, but what do you know, out of the 4 prolific names he pushed, the one he defended for terrible reasons was a wolf, who woulda guessed

yeah, he just looks really really bad. hopefully he can clear himself once he explains how he can possibly be voting me, but i predict just a massive fumble on his explanation and it being something thoughtless when he said we'd be losing here

insomnia
08-18-2024, 14:59
queue the "i voted you cuz we're obviously off on someone"

:rolleyes:

Gemma
08-18-2024, 15:00
Insomnia has offered better town-type play and votes than anyone alive btw.

https://media.tenor.com/0vv3rADjaXIAAAAM/ch%C3%A1n-what.gif


im fine voting dolby

insomnia
08-18-2024, 15:02
https://media.tenor.com/0vv3rADjaXIAAAAM/ch%C3%A1n-what.gif

ofc i was fine voting someone who was lying, before his claim i was defending him

my vote was on wisdom though, i think. didn't end up moving

Gemma
08-18-2024, 15:06
IF there should be a wolf in gemma / knights, i feel like it's always knights

now this was the dichotomy we really needed all along

Montmorency
08-18-2024, 15:09
which note was this? iirc rask said syn is a villager, why would it be troubling? the people who voted him didn't have meta

I had read <10 posts by Syn at this time, as I was up to date through early day. So I had few thoughts. Syn often gets outed early because of meta. But people were claiming Rask was more-or-less townreading Syn, so that made me hesitant (troubled) on the wagon, as he and syn go back the furthest. Syn getting dogpiled D1/D2 is often a hit, but Rask's alleged opinion was throwing me.


nah sry was response to ur 2nd part, like do u think its unaligned because twtbaw or is there some other logic at play

It's not overwhelmingly AI, but if Vanta and neb are in WC at the same time, they would presumably be coordinating privately, not openly on how to approach EOD.

So is the explanation that they:

1. Decided to both last-minute vote to flip t/t wagons for no reason
2. Decided to both last-minute vote to save their partner Wisdom in a way that immediately calls attention to almost the whole surviving team

insomnia
08-18-2024, 15:10
vvv
insomnia
grr
ender
gemma (for dya)

vv
vanta black (also peek equity from bop, i just don't think they are a wolf)

if he's wolf then y'all can take it on the chin, im no longer lunching him. when i say y'all, you should know who you are, dead or alive
maple

meh
sunbae
wisdom
montmorency

wolf
knights

Gemma
08-18-2024, 15:12
my vote was on wisdom though, i think

they always get away on technicalities

insomnia
08-18-2024, 15:14
they always get away on technicalities

gimme my cred yo, i was defending him before his totally unnecessary fake claim

if he didn't lie about all those things i prob have no issue with him, but i obv can't still defend him when his claim was poorly planned out. at least if it did anything /shrug

Montmorency
08-18-2024, 15:17
I'll repeat for anyone with sus on Ender, Gemma, or Insomnia.

Based on votes, if Wisdom is scum those players have excellent voting records, being Wisdom pushers and voters (I think all of them would also have pushed at least one other confirmed scum). Other players have layed out that their posting patterns, tone, and interactions with neb et al. are towny. If Wisdom is town, we're already on the road to defeat. If Wisdom is scum, it's our game to lose.

It would be sad to lose the game because we just kept fumbling the ouster of the player more of the player list has suspected than any other but, like, syn.

grr
08-18-2024, 15:18
Vote Histories d1-d4:

d1: (i missed all ladd votes d1 cause they didnt have the space after the colon just fyi, should be fixed)

VoterVoted forPost
GemmaRaskol#7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856840&viewfull=1#post2053856840)
theknightsofneeeedyachei#16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856849&viewfull=1#post2053856849)
sheepsaysmeeptheknightsofneeee#63 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856849&viewfull=1#post2053856849)
didistetterC0balt#65 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856898&viewfull=1#post2053856898)
didistettersheepsaysmeep#68 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856901&viewfull=1#post2053856901)
didistetterC0balt#80 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856913&viewfull=1#post2053856913)
WisdomRaskolnikov#95 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856928&viewfull=1#post2053856928)
sheepsaysmeepWisdom#142 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856975&viewfull=1#post2053856975)
grrNewcomb#197 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857030&viewfull=1#post2053857030)
EnderwigginJan#211 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857044&viewfull=1#post2053857044)
Enderwiggintheknightsofneeee#228 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857061&viewfull=1#post2053857061)
didistetternebjiamn#248 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857081&viewfull=1#post2053857081)
Synsheepsaysmeep#386 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857219&viewfull=1#post2053857219)
Raskolnikovtheknightsofneeee#435 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857268&viewfull=1#post2053857268)
theknightsofneeeeJan#486 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857319&viewfull=1#post2053857319)
insomniadyachei#620 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857453&viewfull=1#post2053857453)
GemmaVanta#636 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857469&viewfull=1#post2053857469)
Newcombtheknightsofneeee#659 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857492&viewfull=1#post2053857492)
nebjiamnenderwiggin#668 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857501&viewfull=1#post2053857501)
didistetterC0balt#673 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857506&viewfull=1#post2053857506)

laddsheepsaysmeep#686 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857519&viewfull=1#post2053857519)
laddgemma#710 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857543&viewfull=1#post2053857543)

sheepsaysmeepGemma#715 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857548&viewfull=1#post2053857548)
WisdomGemma#716 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857549&viewfull=1#post2053857549)
Vanta_BlackColonelLubriderm#725 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857558&viewfull=1#post2053857558)
Gemmainsomnia#767 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857600&viewfull=1#post2053857600)
dyacheienderwiggin#792 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857625&viewfull=1#post2053857625)
Gemmatheknightsofneeee#822 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857655&viewfull=1#post2053857655)
ColonelLubridermWisdom#824 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857657&viewfull=1#post2053857657)
didistetterladd#828 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857661&viewfull=1#post2053857661)
MapleGemma#858 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857691&viewfull=1#post2053857691)
JanSunbae#868 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857701&viewfull=1#post2053857701)
grrSunbae#870 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857703&viewfull=1#post2053857703)
grrRaskolnikov#906 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857739&viewfull=1#post2053857739)
insomniaGemma#1005 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857838&viewfull=1#post2053857838)
didistetterSyn#1047 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857880&viewfull=1#post2053857880)
NewcombSyn#1053 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857886&viewfull=1#post2053857886)
ColonelLubridermSyn#1066 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857899&viewfull=1#post2053857899)
dyacheiSyn#1079 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857912&viewfull=1#post2053857912)
didistettertheknightsofneeee#1110 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857943&viewfull=1#post2053857943)
ColonelLubridermRaskolnikov#1112 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857945&viewfull=1#post2053857945)
JanRaskolnikov#1115 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857948&viewfull=1#post2053857948)
MontMorencyRaskolnikov#1170 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858003&viewfull=1#post2053858003)
GemmaSyn#1173 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858006&viewfull=1#post2053858006)
dyacheisheepsaysmeep#1174 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858007&viewfull=1#post2053858007)
laddsheepsaysmeep#1177 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858010&viewfull=1#post2053858010)

insomniaSyn#1186 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858019&viewfull=1#post2053858019)
theknightsofneeeeSyn#1193 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858026&viewfull=1#post2053858026)
didistetterSyn#1195 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858028&viewfull=1#post2053858028)
MapleRaskolnikov#1196 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858029&viewfull=1#post2053858029)
ArcticSyn#1204 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858037&viewfull=1#post2053858037)
JanGemma#1206 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858039&viewfull=1#post2053858039)
MapleSyn#1207 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858040&viewfull=1#post2053858040)


d2:

VoterVoted forPost

didistetterMaple#1246 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858082&viewfull=1#post2053858082)
nebjiamnEnderwiggin#1272 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858108&viewfull=1#post2053858108)
theknightsofneeeeJan#1278 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858114&viewfull=1#post2053858114)
WisdomVanta_Black#1364 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858200&viewfull=1#post2053858200)
laddMaple#1378 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858214&viewfull=1#post2053858214)
insomnianebjiamn#1467 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858304&viewfull=1#post2053858304)
Gemmanebjiamn#1471 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858308&viewfull=1#post2053858308)
Wisdomnebjiamn#1473 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858310&viewfull=1#post2053858310)
EnderWigginRaskolnikov#1488 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858325&viewfull=1#post2053858325)
DolbyMaple#1506 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858343&viewfull=1#post2053858343)
grrSunbae#1514 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858351&viewfull=1#post2053858351)
didistetterDolby#1522 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858359&viewfull=1#post2053858359)
ColonelLubridermDolby#1559 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858396&viewfull=1#post2053858396)
WisdomGemma#1581 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858418&viewfull=1#post2053858418)
didistetterWisdom#1586 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858423&viewfull=1#post2053858423)
Raskolnikovtheknightsofneeee#1645 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858482&viewfull=1#post2053858482)
grrUnvote#1653 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858490&viewfull=1#post2053858490)
didistetterMaple#1697 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858534&viewfull=1#post2053858534)
didistetterEnderWiggin#1742 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858579&viewfull=1#post2053858579)
DolbyEnderWiggin#1746 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858583&viewfull=1#post2053858583)
ColonelLubriderm EnderWiggin#1753 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858590&viewfull=1#post2053858590
GemmaMaple#1817 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858655&viewfull=1#post2053858655)
RaskolnikovMaple#1857 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858695&viewfull=1#post2053858695)
nebjiamnRaskolnikov#1873 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858711&viewfull=1#post2053858711)
MapleDolby#1892 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858730&viewfull=1#post2053858730)
didistetterUnvote#1900 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858738&viewfull=1#post2053858738)
laddnebjiamn#1920 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858758&viewfull=1#post2053858758)
dyacheiladd#1929 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858767&viewfull=1#post2053858767)
laddMontmorency#1932 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858770&viewfull=1#post2053858770)
insomnialadd#1945 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858783&viewfull=1#post2053858783)
insomniaMaple#1964 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858802&viewfull=1#post2053858802)
nebjiamnMaple#1981 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858819&viewfull=1#post2053858819)
DolbyWisdom#1991 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858829&viewfull=1#post2053858829)
Montmorencyladd#2003 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858841&viewfull=1#post2053858841)
dyacheiRaskolnikov#2028 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858866&viewfull=1#post2053858866)
DolbyRaskolnikov#2032 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858870&viewfull=1#post2053858870)
didistetterRaskolnikov#2059 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858897&viewfull=1#post2053858897)
Vanta_Blackdyachei#2063 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858901&viewfull=1#post2053858901)
Raskolnikovdyachei#2075 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858913&viewfull=1#post2053858913)
WisdomRaskolnikov#2095 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858933&viewfull=1#post2053858933)
didistetterUnvote#2098 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858936&viewfull=1#post2053858936)
ColonelLubridermWisdom#2109 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858947&viewfull=1#post2053858947)
didistetterSleep#2115 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858953&viewfull=1#post2053858953)
grrRaskolnikov#2121 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858959&viewfull=1#post2053858959)
nebjiamnRaskolnikov#2127 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858965&viewfull=1#post2053858965)
didistetterRaskolnikov#2133 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858971&viewfull=1#post2053858971)
ColonelLubridermRaskolnikov#2141 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858979&viewfull=1#post2053858979)
ColonelLubridermWisdom#2143 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858981&viewfull=1#post2053858981)
DolbyWisdom#2144 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858982&viewfull=1#post2053858982)
MontMorencyWisdom#2147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858985&viewfull=1#post2053858985)
theknightsofneeeeladd#2164 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859002&viewfull=1#post2053859002)
MontMorencyladd#2176 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859014&viewfull=1#post2053859014)
ArcticRaskolnikov#2215 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859053&viewfull=1#post2053859053)


d3:

VoterVoted forPost

GemmaWisdom#2236 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859074&viewfull=1#post2053859074)
nebjiamnMaple#2240 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859078&viewfull=1#post2053859078)
Montmorencyladd#2262 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859100&viewfull=1#post2053859100)
theknightsofneeeeJan#2292 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859130&viewfull=1#post2053859130)
DolbyMaple#2301 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859139&viewfull=1#post2053859139)
insomniaMaple#2303 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859141&viewfull=1#post2053859141)
dyacheiladd#2316 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859154&viewfull=1#post2053859154)
GemmaMaple#2317 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859155&viewfull=1#post2053859155)
DolbyWisdom#2331 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859169&viewfull=1#post2053859169)
GemmaWisdom#2333 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859171&viewfull=1#post2053859171)
WisdomSunbae#2417 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859255&viewfull=1#post2053859255)
Wisdomgrr#2420 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859258&viewfull=1#post2053859258)
WisdomUnvote#2423 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859261&viewfull=1#post2053859261)
EnderWigginMaple#2463 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859301&viewfull=1#post2053859301)
WisdomMaple#2517 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859355&viewfull=1#post2053859355)
laddWisdom#2581 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859419&viewfull=1#post2053859419)
DolbyMaple#2582 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859420&viewfull=1#post2053859420)
grrladd#2585 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859423&viewfull=1#post2053859423)
grrWisdom#2718 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859564&viewfull=1#post2053859564)
EnderwigginWisdom#2733 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859579&viewfull=1#post2053859579)
nebjiamnWisdom#2822 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859669&viewfull=1#post2053859669)
dyacheiWisdom#2825 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859672&viewfull=1#post2053859672)
grrladd#2854 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859701&viewfull=1#post2053859701)
JanWisdom#2855 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859702&viewfull=1#post2053859702)
Sunbaenebjiamn#2856 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859703&viewfull=1#post2053859703)
DolbyLadd#2858 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859705&viewfull=1#post2053859705)
theknightsofneeeeLadd#2874 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859723&viewfull=1#post2053859723)
Vanta_BlackMaple#2877 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859726&viewfull=1#post2053859726)
Vanta_BlackUnvote#2887 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859736&viewfull=1#post2053859736)
Vanta_BlackWisdom#2894 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859743&viewfull=1#post2053859743)
dyacheiladd#2903 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859752&viewfull=1#post2053859752)
Vanta_Blackladd#2944 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859793&viewfull=1#post2053859793)
nebjiamnLadd#2946 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859795&viewfull=1#post2053859795)


d4:

VoterVoted forPost
MapleDolby#2954 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859805&viewfull=1#post2053859805)
DolbyWisdom#2956 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859807&viewfull=1#post2053859807)
insomniaWisdom#3005 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859856&viewfull=1#post2053859856)
grrWisdom#3033 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859886&viewfull=1#post2053859886)
EnderWigginDolby#3034 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859887&viewfull=1#post2053859887)
Gemmatheknightsofneeee#3054 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859907&viewfull=1#post2053859907)
WisdomMaple#3075 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859928&viewfull=1#post2053859928)
grrMaple#3100 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859928&viewfull=1#post2053859928)
grrWisdom#3106 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859959&viewfull=1#post2053859959)
GemmaMaple#3147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860001&viewfull=1#post2053860001)
dyacheitheknightsofneeee#3147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860002&viewfull=1#post2053860002)
grrDolby#3223 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860077&viewfull=1#post2053860077)
MapleUnvote#3231 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860085&viewfull=1#post2053860085)
SunbaeDolby#3238 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860092&viewfull=1#post2053860092)
SunbaeUnvote#3247 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860101&viewfull=1#post2053860101)
Dolbytheknightsofneeee#3266 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860120&viewfull=1#post2053860120)
WisdomUnvote#3279 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860133&viewfull=1#post2053860133)
SunbaeDolby#3301 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860155&viewfull=1#post2053860155)
DolbyWisdom#3316 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860170&viewfull=1#post2053860170)
dyacheiDolby#3346 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860200&viewfull=1#post2053860200)
EnderwigginUnvote#3361 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860215&viewfull=1#post2053860215)
theknightsofneeeeDolby#3368 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860222&viewfull=1#post2053860222)
EnderWigginDolby#3379 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053860233&viewfull=1#post2053860233)

Note: dya changed to Maple last sec but I believe it was after hammer so I didn't put it in

(if everyone can search if their own vote is on would probs easiest check to see if there are errors you can ping me with it if there is one if u want)