Tarot Mafia

[didistetter]

town:
newcomb
maple
dyachei
gemma

idk fine i guess:
nebjiamn
didistetter
sunbae
grr
insomnia
c0balt/dolby

i can't recall a single post/no opinion:
arctic
vanta black
theknightsofneeee

why (diet version):
enderwiggin
colonellubriderm

why:
raskolnikov
wisdom
jan
sheepsaysmeep



are hally and montmorency actually playing this game or are they in the player list for the lulz

yellow is TL, this is my mental starting place for the day.

jan/rask obvi not w/w

[ColonelLubriderm]

i woulod like to hear general thoughts and opinions from wisdom/gemma/rasko

you know not like this second but in the next 24-36 hours-ish

[didistetter]

I read his ISO overnight and dont think he looked paired with syn
dyachei can ya point me to any posts that felt particularly unpairing?

[dyachei]

dyachei can ya point me to any posts that felt particularly unpairing?

i didnt note a post, so no. His ISo is quick though

[dyachei]

i woulod like to hear general thoughts and opinions from wisdom/gemma/rasko

you know not like this second but in the next 24-36 hours-ish

thought on ender?

[Dolby]

i woulod like to hear general thoughts and opinions from wisdom/gemma/rasko

you know not like this second but in the next 24-36 hours-ish

gth v/w/v

[theknightsofneeee]

Dya had some pretty decently not w/w interactions with syn, fine clearing them till lylo

Syn’s interactions with jan felt vaguely w/w to me, I’ll quote them when I get home.

Think Arctic’s post at eod saying it was obviously gonna be a miss, but voting syn anyways, felt like wolfy tmi, but I liked the rest of their EOD so I’m torn.

Gemma very likely villa imo because they could have just left their vote on me but instead moved it to a wolf wagon, moving from a bigger counter wagon who was villa (me) to a smaller wolf counter wagon (syn) counts a lot for me.

Didi always villa unless they are the hardest bidder in the world. Their paranoia on me at EOD also felt villagery.

Insomnia had a good EOD as well, and I think insomnia would have committed to the bud harder if he was a wolf.

[ColonelLubriderm]

im gonna go poop and passout

[didistetter]

gth v/w/v

1. welcome o/
2. why w for gemma?
3. have you fully read thread, or what pool of knowledge ya workin with?

[dyachei]

Dya had some pretty decently not w/w interactions with syn, fine clearing them till lylo

Syn’s interactions with jan felt vaguely w/w to me, I’ll quote them when I get home.

Think Arctic’s post at eod saying it was obviously gonna be a miss, but voting syn anyways, felt like wolfy tmi, but I liked the rest of their EOD so I’m torn.

Gemma very likely villa imo because they could have just left their vote on me but instead moved it to a wolf wagon, moving from a bigger counter wagon who was villa (me) to a smaller wolf counter wagon (syn) counts a lot for me.

Didi always villa unless they are the hardest bidder in the world. Their paranoia on me at EOD also felt villagery.

Insomnia had a good EOD as well, and I think insomnia would have committed to the bud harder if he was a wolf.

i think arctic pushing me on syn earlier was a really good look though. Like when i town read him, he pushed back. he could have just accepted it there with no issue

[ColonelLubriderm]

thought on ender?

none right now; ill @ you though tomorrow when that changes

[Dolby]

1. welcome o/
2. why w for gemma?
3. have you fully read thread, or what pool of knowledge ya workin with?

didn't like their posts on the first two pages

my knowledge pool is reading Syn's ISO and I'm chugging along

[insomnia]

i was gonna come in pushing jan but i just realized there's no way a wolf would be so unaware. his whole progression and defence of syn and excuse to save him at EoD by chaining raskol first is just something little to no wolves would do. it's insane if he pulled it off as a wolf

[didistetter]

didn't like their posts on the first two pages

my knowledge pool is reading Syn's ISO and I'm chugging along

gemma unvoted knights (who had been pushing her) eod, despite multiple people in thread scumreading his eod, to build the syn wagon back into viability. she brough syn up to 3 votes to fight the rask wagon, which dya jumped off of and insom/knights then jumped on and made syn lead wagon.

think that movement is a good look.

also frankly it feels like gemma/knights/sheep were a bit of a punching bag slots yesterday, and i think there are like 100000% wolves in the people trying to maintain those wagons and pushes.

part of why i dont like ladd at all btw dyachei

i wrote a big post explaining my sheep feelings to him and why his sheep treatment was sketchy as f, he thanked it but never responded otherwise, and then he tried to make sheep a counterwagon to syn eod by calling his pop in bad. which it wasnt even

[theknightsofneeee]

i was gonna come in pushing jan but i just realized there's no way a wolf would be so unaware. his whole progression and defence of syn and excuse to save him at EoD by chaining raskol first is just something little to no wolves would do. it's insane if he pulled it off as a wolf

The wagon on syn was pretty abrupt.

And i think you can easily make a case for a world where Jan = wolf, syn = wolf, raskol = villa.

Cause all of his defense of syn mostly led through saying we should trust raskol’s read on syn or we should lynch raskol first before syn because he’s never wrong on syn.

Just felt like a wolf trying to pair a villa with a wolf bro for an easy mis lunch later.



I’m obviously possibly tunneled on Jan, so take this with a grain of salt, but their interactions from syn’s side felt hella awkward

[dyachei]

gemma unvoted knights (who had been pushing her) eod, despite multiple people in thread scumreading his eod, to build the syn wagon back into viability. she brough syn up to 3 votes to fight the rask wagon, which dya jumped off of and insom/knights then jumped on and made syn lead wagon.

think that movement is a good look.

also frankly it feels like gemma/knights/sheep were a bit of a punching bag slots yesterday, and i think there are like 100000% wolves in the people trying to maintain those wagons and pushes.

part of why i dont like ladd at all btw dyachei

i wrote a big post explaining my sheep feelings to him and why his sheep treatment was sketchy as f, he thanked it but never responded otherwise, and then he tried to make sheep a counterwagon to syn eod by calling his pop in bad. which it wasnt even

i dont think not responding in a post capped game is a big deal personally

[insomnia]

good thoughts on ladd, if you re-read d1 im sure he pushed a lot of villas

also i spotted he said he'd read syn iso at around a time he was gaining traction and never came back with his conclusion, but instead he responded to a post that was repping a semi-defence of syn, or at least giving benefit of the doubt

[Raskolnikov]

i woulod like to hear general thoughts and opinions from wisdom/gemma/rasko

you know not like this second but in the next 24-36 hours-ish

catching up I was at something like knight/sheep/Maple/Jan/Grrr as immediate POE but like I am prolly going to start over considering my record so far lol. Jan and Grrr being somhow ego reads (and since I am villa I can totally see Jan pushing a counter wagon on me at EOD). Grrr vote record stinks (he also literrally voted me for reading him in good faith lol, prolly sponging Sunbae too but) and he have had some of the most LAMIST post itg so far, but i dunno, his posts are pure. Might still be worth looking into more iyam.

I am gonna have more time toDay too so dw, u will get plenty of thoughts from me :p

[dyachei]

good thoughts on ladd, if you re-read d1 im sure he pushed a lot of villas

also i spotted he said he'd read syn iso at around a time he was gaining traction and never came back with his conclusion, but instead he responded to a post that was repping a semi-defence of syn, or at least giving benefit of the doubt

yeah I'll concede i have more concerns there now than I did reading overnight. was probably confbiasing

[theknightsofneeee]

A Ladd= wolf world is definitely possible, gonna reread his iso today.

Same with sunbae but I saw a post late in the day asking about reads on syn which didn’t feel partner’s? Not super strong feelings on that tho

[insomnia]

The wagon on syn was pretty abrupt.

And i think you can easily make a case for a world where Jan = wolf, syn = wolf, raskol = villa.

Cause all of his defense of syn mostly led through saying we should trust raskol’s read on syn or we should lynch raskol first before syn because he’s never wrong on syn.

Just felt like a wolf trying to pair a villa with a wolf bro for an easy mis lunch later.



I’m obviously possibly tunneled on Jan, so take this with a grain of salt, but their interactions from syn’s side felt hella awkward

jan's progression and defense of syn is just flat out horrible if he's a wolf and because of TMI, I doubt he'd even lay out a progression like that. because it only takes syn to flip for jan to fall down with him, wolves aren't that obvious. they can make up other reasons

this is my thinking

[nebjiamn]

hi

good job yesterday, rip newcomb and ggs sheep

im absolutely spent from the last two days so ill be around tomorrow after i recharge a bit

vote: ender

[didistetter]

i dont think not responding in a post capped game is a big deal personally

i dont think not responding is a big deal, but i think ladd pushing a now flipped town as a cw to maf with minimal reasoning despite people he tr asking him to lay off is weird and fits how i've seen him act as scum my last 2 games with him where we were w/w

[dyachei]

i dont think not responding is a big deal, but i think ladd pushing a now flipped town as a cw to maf with minimal reasoning despite people he tr asking him to lay off is weird and fits how i've seen him act as scum my last 2 games with him where we were w/w

yeah see my next post. You and insom have convinced me to consider him

[nebjiamn]

benneh. reason: kinda nothing on Syn I think?
Sunbae. reason: same?

this group is priority 2 because im sure they will be looked at anyway


are you looking for clarity on my syn read or just in general on me

if its the former i spent approximately ~15 seconds thinking about them yesterday and it was nothing beyond "they exist"

[theknightsofneeee]

jan's progression and defense of syn is just flat out horrible if he's a wolf and because of TMI, I doubt he'd even lay out a progression like that. because it only takes syn to flip for jan to fall down with him, wolves aren't that obvious. they can make up other reasons

this is my thinking

Ya obviously I’m living in a world where Jan is a wolf and trying to power wolf and save his wolf bro from being cfd’d.

Which isn’t necessarily his play style I’ll grant you.

[insomnia]

hi

good job yesterday, rip newcomb and ggs sheep

im absolutely spent from the last two days so ill be around tomorrow after i recharge a bit

vote: ender

remind me if you ever tried to read ladd yesterday or at least out your read of him to the thread? i don't remember you doing that, but i wanna be sure i just didn't miss it

[theknightsofneeee]

Vote: Jan

[Montmorency]

Syn ISO Early D1:

P1: Fluff opening, TRed by Gemma. Colonel (CL) susses Gemma for finding Syn's post townier than stetter's.

P2: Syn jokingly SRs CL for posting too much.

P3: Knights trending Syn down for being against CL, still g2h town.

P4: Jan: "The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early."

P5: Wisdom shares a song with Syn. Syn responds to Jan from P4 by claiming to be mysterious and unreadable. Syn calls Maple based for SRing sheep off "6 words." Syn asks Wisdom what tapioca is.

P6: Syn discusses song with Wisdom, who tells them about tapioca. Syn wants to vote Sleep, not Sheep (Insomnia?). Gemma banters with Syn over his indirect Maple-Sheep read. Arctic finds Wisdom's music-post directed at Syn "kinda wrong." Rask kinda agrees with Syn about CL SR,

wants to kill CL and Vanta, locks Syn town.

P7: Arctic interrogates Rask over Syn, asks about meta. Rask explains that Syn should be direct and aggressive, elaborates on his own CL and Vanta SLs.

P9: Rask finds Syn OK for now. Newcomb can hardly believe Syn has posted, he's so UTR.

P10: Wisdom hedges on Syn, asks Rask for advice: "I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset." Newcomb asks ladd whom he would dayvig, ladd suggests Syn to be "boring" (sounds like PIS, as this is ladd's first-ever comment on Syn). Ladd goes on to clarify he's not convinced Syn is scum, understands why Rask TRs them, but offers a Syn post that "was out of character for their villa self, but I am not sure how serious it is."





too many poasts. lubriderm wolf



now [Gemma] is someone who knows how to get me from stopping to think they are a wolf.

And it works every tine

not being in discord with you should have been your first clue

All distancing. Syn-ladd-Gemma-Colonel-[REDACTED]/[REDACTED]/[REDACTED] possible. Though I could believe Gemma is just collateral damage with a certain playstyle.

I do suspect ladd's relationship with Syn in this game may turn out to be comparable to his relationship with dya (and Kage?) in Casual December - kind of hedging and avoiding their lhf partner.

Also, he didn't vote all day, though he specifically noted early on that he votes once in late day as a defense mechanism.

Worst of all, I think Syn may have spewed him here (this isn't fully in the ISO yet but it's important enough to note separately).

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

[nebjiamn]

didistetter you asked if sunbae is capable of pure tone as maf yesterday


yes, very much so. my method of finding him is seeing how he works / collaborates with others to develop his reads. when he's stubborn or faking the collaboration he's >rand mafia. sometimes its hard to identify that if the already-perceived momentum of the thread allows him to be more collaborative without hurting his teammates but its a good metric in general

i didn't get that feeling yesterday in real time. his engagement and excitement around workig with others felt real. i haven't backread anything yet so this mioght change with insights from yesterday but idk

idk if this is helpful now vs yesterday but ya

[Raskolnikov]

lol woofs killing Newcomb and not didistetter smh (read this as a jokey version of "what u are posting makes a lot of sense rn tx")

[nebjiamn]

remind me if you ever tried to read ladd yesterday or at least out your read of him to the thread? i don't remember you doing that, but i wanna be sure i just didn't miss it

idr if i did but i had a mild v lean on him most of the day

[theknightsofneeee]

@raskol

Can you talk to me about Jan’s treatment of syn and yourself, and specifically about his EOD, and if you think him pushing you over syn is reasonable perspective from villa!jan ?

I’m missing some context around your ability to read syn consistently and it’s help me a lot. :cheers:

[dyachei]

Syn 5 (Newcomb, Gemma, insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter)
Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

i might be the only villager on the sheep wagon. rask wagon needs to be investigated, too. im pretty sure bop is a villager but he's a very good wolf so I won't disrespect him by clearing him

gemma wagon might be pure but she did vote syn in a good manner

[Raskolnikov]

Syn ISO Early D1:

P1: Fluff opening, TRed by Gemma. Colonel (CL) susses Gemma for finding Syn's post townier than stetter's.

P2: Syn jokingly SRs CL for posting too much.

P3: Knights trending Syn down for being against CL, still g2h town.

P4: Jan: "The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early."

P5: Wisdom shares a song with Syn. Syn responds to Jan from P4 by claiming to be mysterious and unreadable. Syn calls Maple based for SRing sheep off "6 words." Syn asks Wisdom what tapioca is.

P6: Syn discusses song with Wisdom, who tells them about tapioca. Syn wants to vote Sleep, not Sheep (Insomnia?). Gemma banters with Syn over his indirect Maple-Sheep read. Arctic finds Wisdom's music-post directed at Syn "kinda wrong." Rask kinda agrees with Syn about CL SR,

wants to kill CL and Vanta, locks Syn town.

P7: Arctic interrogates Rask over Syn, asks about meta. Rask explains that Syn should be direct and aggressive, elaborates on his own CL and Vanta SLs.

P9: Rask finds Syn OK for now. Newcomb can hardly believe Syn has posted, he's so UTR.

P10: Wisdom hedges on Syn, asks Rask for advice: "I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset." Newcomb asks ladd whom he would dayvig, ladd suggests Syn to be "boring" (sounds like PIS, as this is ladd's first-ever comment on Syn). Ladd goes on to clarify he's not convinced Syn is scum, understands why Rask TRs them, but offers a Syn post that "was out of character for their villa self, but I am not sure how serious it is."








All distancing. Syn-ladd-Gemma-Colonel-[REDACTED]/[REDACTED]/[REDACTED] possible. Though I could believe Gemma is just collateral damage with a certain playstyle.

I do suspect ladd's relationship with Syn in this game may turn out to be comparable to his relationship with dya (and Kage?) in Casual December - kind of hedging and avoiding their lhf partner.

Also, he didn't vote all day, though he specifically noted early on that he votes once in late day as a defense mechanism.

Worst of all, I think Syn may have spewed him here (this isn't fully in the ISO yet but it's important enough to note separately).

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

Ill check that game tmr Monty. (closing 4 am here, I am just here to vibe rn)

[theknightsofneeee]

Syn 5 (Newcomb, Gemma, insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter)
Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

i might be the only villager on the sheep wagon. rask wagon needs to be investigated, too. im pretty sure bop is a villager but he's a very good wolf so I won't disrespect him by clearing him

gemma wagon might be pure but she did vote syn in a good manner

Bop had a good post talking about the syn wagon being pure and my wagon being gross which I think was hella villagery

[Montmorency]

Ill check that game tmr Monty. (closing 4 am here, I am just here to vibe rn)

I had those walls on D3/4 if it helps.

[Raskolnikov]

@raskol

Can you talk to me about Jan’s treatment of syn and yourself, and specifically about his EOD, and if you think him pushing you over syn is reasonable perspective from villa!jan ?

I’m missing some context around your ability to read syn consistently and it’s help me a lot. :cheers:

I think I have (check my posts since SOD) but no not really (I mean it doesn't look reasonnable for v!Jan) and yes I have had a good read on Syn for a while (as either alignment). This game being an exception (or a new trend dunno lol).

What you are saying about Jan feels like a possible world yes (because I am villa and was busy and had that trash D1 read on Syn so I was very viable as a cw at EOD1).

[insomnia]

the more interesting world is sheep/knights v/v and ladd is giga pocketing me btw

just putting it out there that that's a thought that's been rolling around back there.

ladd's said a truly remarkable number of things i've agreed with this game, including stuff that can't possibly have anything to do with alignment like the d1 vote stickiness thing, which I almost made a post about because i've noticed literally the exact same thing in my game as a kind of unconscious evolution of how people started reacting to me.

I don't say this to have any meaningful moving the needle on anything in the game right now or potentially ever, just to like, give myself a little potential postgame face-saving

at the time newcomb made this post i kinda just waited for d1 to end not caring what was gonna go down cuz i thought ladd was a wolf and we were never gonna lunch him d1

but basically this is what i felt as soon as ladd made his entry to the thread pushing on sheep. it looked like he did it for nothing more but just because newcomb (a great villager who was pushing / asking questions to another villager = in ladd's mind surely it's acceptable pushing for sheep too with this context, no? also, bonus points for pocketing?) was poking him, but the link that ties all this together was just that the reasoning he gave was so generic, he was legit trying to fit his process without reading the context (sheep was villagery for pushing knights so early) which made it look like it wasn't a genuine comment

[insomnia]

idr if i did but i had a mild v lean on him most of the day

what do you think of him now?

[nebjiamn]

what do you think of him now?

ask me tomorrow, i haven't digested anything since i left pre-eod yesterday and my brain is too fried to try atm

[Dolby]

i was told i have to make more than 2 posts in a day phase

so

lubricious v

now back to active lurking
I will be watching your take on Syn closely


too many poasts. lubriderm wolf




2/75

yeah lubridum is town


if colonel is gh

gh > rand wolf for his open

feels very similar to his open in the mash we just played

if its not gh, lolknights

kinda townreading this post? idk I just feel that mafia don't pretend to not know that CL isn't GH


think cobalt's recent posting is p good (specially posts #76 and #82)

newcomb not giving a fuck about the game except about if colonel is gh feels slightly villagery (and also newcomb/bop are unlikely w/w)

after rereading bop/benneh's interactions, it felt very natural and meme'y and good and i don't want to kill either of them atm

initially liked syn pushing bop (colonel), but now that i'm villa reading bop i like it less.






Villagers

knights

didistetter
cobalt

colonel lubricator (bop)
nebjiamn (benneh)

gun to head villagers

newcomb
syn

Wolves

dyachei



and with that, good night :Zzzz:

i don't like the Dya read, Ladd had exactly why the Dya read doesn't look good like three posts after this, but I'm putting this here partially to keep track but also to say that I think that Knights having Syn close to the bottom when if he's maf he knows he's going to have to abandon him Dya read is a good look. that placement means that he has to rely on town entering the thread and being wolfier to justify not going for Syn, and yes he has like 15 people not on the list and half the game hasn't showed up but i stand by this probably


GOOD MORNING!

Vote: Raskolnikov
Raskolnikov your move, noob <3
kinda towny entrance


insomnia's post has me feeling things

idk how to describe it but basically this first happened after i read sunbae's post about newcomb and knights and i started formulating a weird kind of net of associations around cobalt/knights/sheep and realizing that if i'm wrong on sheep then he's probably town and one of the other two is more likely to have a wolf and like even though i lean on it being sheep i don't think the other worlds are that unlikely so they're kinda just existing in my mind as alternate options

this ties into insomnia's post cuz it's like. suggesting the alternate reality to the one i think is most likely. but i still townread it. it feels like he's having reasonable thoughts on those posts but i just disagree on which is the most likely world, but not enough for me to care about the fact we disagree. cuz, i mean y'all probably won't believe me but in my catch up post i originally had the same thought about how c0balt may have inadvertently been TMI'ing stett by accusing sheep of doing that because while i agree with the sheep sus that being the reason feels like more of a wolf accusation. soz this sounds hella hedgy but the point i want to convey is that i townread insomnia's post even though i had different takeaways cuz i can kinda see those options if i'm wrong, so having those thoughts is just as easily town indicative

the part about dya was super towny regardless

this post was so bad but im sending it anyway lmao

also hi IH :3

this whole post is whack and I dislike it. I don't understand what he's trying to say at all

I don't think there's a single meaningful Rask post before 200, we'll see what that means later I guess



did vanta even post

kinda think this is mildly towny, calling out a sus on a slot that's easy to wolfread and merely whatever from what I've observed of admitidly just Vanta's qual


I'm not understanding Gemma's reads on P1+2 so they can join the "wolfy" pile I'm building.

ender has 15 posts in a row and this is the only towny one

The whole sequence is just level 1 reactive all deriving from a single read he has: that knights early read on dya is bad. No part of the process is related to anything BUT that.

This is like, all of p#200 through p#215

bro are you wolfing


I like Jan rn.

My vote on them is a joke until I decide to change to someone else.

throwaway read on the basis of a nothing post

maybe the lack of post conservation isn't the worst


I did not like this line, ender. It feels like immediately distancing from what he was assuming was gonna happen instead of embracing it or looking forward to anything here. Just bad vibes Ig.

haven't talked about grr but every time I've passed a post from them I felt it was ok

stett also feels town but it's also not quoteworthy. I think the below bolded read is weird though


Vote: nebjiamn

2/5 nice

Grr is tiny SL rn, but his alignment is probs obvious by eod

I’m not vibing with wisdom’s posts at all yet, but wanna see if that’s just dif perspective or if its indicative of alignment stuff.

Arctic is odd. His posts kinda sound like voice notes turned into text. Idk what that means, maybe town?

Gemma town, ender town, insomnia town



I really should stop playing on phone why am I like this.

Apparently all but Monte has posted but it feels like I missed half the playerlist.

The way Ender solves through relaxing and vibing is something that I associate with his town game.

On the other side, Cobalt seems a bit stiff and forced. For some reason his post on this page, about him liking people talking about him, wasn't in his ISO (I'm going insane). It felt real though.

Rask... for some reason I expected him to be more hype than he's shown so far, but I know that he really didn't want to rand wolf this game and I'd think he'd put more effort into seeming solvy than he's done so he's probably town anyway.

I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset. Raskolnikov I think you know why I'm worried, can you explain why you instantly locked him town?

Newcomb/Ladd is unlikely w/w and I feel like I agree with everything they say even when I don't. So, hopefully both are town and shouldn't be too hard to find them if they're alive wolves in later game.

Jan is still town. Retracting town leans on Sheep and Stett for the time being.

Unvote
a bit worried about this post because every single read is SEVERELY qualified and everyone might as well be null except Jan


i'd probably kill like syn cause i am boring




but the players i am most intrigued by right now are knights/benneh/sheep

I like this bc syn dies but also uh I kinda think that the three names in the second line are all v

nvm to that Ladd has a pretty towny post in p#289


The problem I had with the sheep post was he put so much effort into explaining himself to newcomb and my own approach would be like, im just gonna write one line and expect newcomb to understand me perfectly so I had the idea he felt like, the need to try super hard to convince newcomb of something, but also I kinda liked bennehs tr on him then later on and i have no idea why sheep talked so much about his perspective there if im being real.

knights reaction to ladd feels a little bit how i'd probs react too (and in fact did in the Pokemon hydra game on MU) so it kinda vibes towny to me.

I feel like insomnia specifically TR arctic a bit too easily? For making a convoluted post? Because Arctic is like, a good wolf in my eyes? I feel like he'd have no effort writing this as a wolf?
this is such a towny post


?????????

think Syn calling this out, which honestly reads wolfy to me from Wisdom, is town just from Syn calling it out


town:
newcomb
maple
dyachei
gemma

idk fine i guess:
nebjiamn
didistetter
sunbae
grr
insomnia
c0balt

i can't recall a single post/no opinion:
arctic
vanta black
theknightsofneeee

why (diet version):
enderwiggin
colonellubriderm

why:
raskolnikov
wisdom
jan
sheepsaysmeep



are hally and montmorency actually playing this game or are they in the player list for the lulz

yeah I think Syn just looked for a reason to move Wisdom down and went with it, probably makes them town. I guess diet ???? is kinda a good look for Ender since he was pretty townread in the thread at this point I feel. Maple specifically is way to high up and I think this might be the only read on Maple at this point but no idea why are his second biggest townread. I think that him just placing Rask in his lowest tier is kinda whack but not out of range if w/w

I got to the point I wanted, will try reading the rest of the thread later

[insomnia]

off the top of my head, the pool of players i don't have reasons to villa read / i wanna focus on today are

ladd / sunbae / ben / maple / cobalt / montmorency

dunno if im missing anyone. either way a part of a readslist is in the works but knowing me, idk if i'll finish it

[insomnia]

and i guess wisdom / ender

[didistetter]

k so: wagons that felt interesting to me:

Wagons as of #1170 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858003&viewfull=1#post2053858003)

Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Sheepsaysmeep, Ladd, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (2) Newcomb, Dyachei
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Maple




Wagons as of
#1197 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858030&viewfull=1#post2053858030)

Syn (5) Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Maple
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd
Theknightsofneeee (2) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
Gemma (2) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Montmorency

not rlly sure if maf were likely to be trying to save syn, but mont's unvote and maple's vote on rask both feel a little weird. i dont like the sheep cw, but i doubt maf would stack there to save an afk

i tr grr and bop, so if any wolves on that second rask wagon it'd be jan or maple.

it kinda feels like after gemma and insom swapped to syn there wasnt any other real attempt to shift wagons, but there's a chance wolves might have been inactive at eod so didnt have manpower to save them?

maple's last sec vote felt giga credgrabby lol but. maybe twtbaw, idk

[dyachei]

and i guess wisdom / ender

read ender for me. im not so great at reading him but i dont think he looks good off the flip

[ladd]

good thoughts on ladd, if you re-read d1 im sure he pushed a lot of villas

also i spotted he said he'd read syn iso at around a time he was gaining traction and never came back with his conclusion, but instead he responded to a post that was repping a semi-defence of syn, or at least giving benefit of the doubt

Quote it cause this seems like bs friendo

I told newcomb id dayvig syn mid d1 if given a shot and never villa read syn once


My first thought is jan ngl, the eod felt like he was trying to use a villager with a wrong read (rask) to defend a wolf


Bbl, i just randomly woke up lol

[Gemma]

rask paired with syn is fake news iyam

first time ive ever used iyam in my life

[ladd]

Quote it cause this seems like bs friendo

I told newcomb id dayvig syn mid d1 if given a shot and never villa read syn once


My first thought is jan ngl, the eod felt like he was trying to use a villager with a wrong read (rask) to defend a wolf


Bbl, i just randomly woke up lol

To be clear i am not saying i am clear off syn flip; i just think saying i look bad is silly, i had every chanve to defend them at eod but i said rask v read kn them wasnt so strong, that syn could be a wolf even if rask v, etc...

Going to sleep for now, but i really really hated jan eod and hope he can prove me wrong cause rn i really wanna kill him sadly

[didistetter]

didistetter you asked if sunbae is capable of pure tone as maf yesterday


yes, very much so. my method of finding him is seeing how he works / collaborates with others to develop his reads. when he's stubborn or faking the collaboration he's >rand mafia. sometimes its hard to identify that if the already-perceived momentum of the thread allows him to be more collaborative without hurting his teammates but its a good metric in general

i didn't get that feeling yesterday in real time. his engagement and excitement around workig with others felt real. i haven't backread anything yet so this mioght change with insights from yesterday but idk

idk if this is helpful now vs yesterday but ya

nebjiamn what do you make of


yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about



Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)


Ok let me iso (im running out of posts but i feel like we're all really starting to get shit rolling now which, darn at the lack of posts left but hopefully someone can keep the ball rolling)


saving a post: how are people on arctic? think I had a "seems villagery enough" read late night iso last night but haven't seen many talk there lately

[Raskolnikov]

rask paired with syn is fake news iyam

first time ive ever used iyam in my life

sup my fellow patate. Any read on dya? (asking about them specifically because the first thing they have done toDay is pairing me with him). Like myself I am ok with them (feels like villager missing out on some turns of events) but could use your hindsight (I am villa reading u glgl)

[Gemma]

The wagon on syn was pretty abrupt.

And i think you can easily make a case for a world where Jan = wolf, syn = wolf, raskol = villa.

Cause all of his defense of syn mostly led through saying we should trust raskol’s read on syn or we should lynch raskol first before syn because he’s never wrong on syn.

Just felt like a wolf trying to pair a villa with a wolf bro for an easy mis lunch later.



I’m obviously possibly tunneled on Jan, so take this with a grain of salt, but their interactions from syn’s side felt hella awkward

stop saying lynch pls

[Jan]

To be clear i am not saying i am clear off syn flip; i just think saying i look bad is silly, i had every chanve to defend them at eod but i said rask v read kn them wasnt so strong, that syn could be a wolf even if rask v, etc...

Going to sleep for now, but i really really hated jan eod and hope he can prove me wrong cause rn i really wanna kill him sadly

I am about to vomit some word salad about eod.

wanted to sleep but I have too much old man yelling at clouds energy stored up to go back to sleep.

At my PC now and gonna jump into eod from my pov post.
I am surprised you are changing your read on me this drastically. it is noted.

[Dolby]

sup my fellow patate. Any read on dya? (asking about them specifically because the first thing they have done toDay is pairing me with him). Like myself I am ok with them (feels like villager missing out on some turns of events) but could use your hindsight (I am villa reading u glgl)

hey man I think you were town and just wrong on Syn. I just replaced in, any questions you have for me and do you want me to read anyones ISO in particular?

[ladd]

Ill get quotes when i wake up

Idr what jan read on rask/gemma/knights was befor eeod but him pushing rask because of the rask/syn combo stuff was super weird..cause like its not like rask/syn were the runaway wagons.

It seemed to me he kinda forced himself into onhu voting rask or syn (and so logically had to vote rask) for no reason

If rask is a villa, thats like the perfect crime.mislunch a villager who everyone says has a godread kn your teammate and that godread is wrong

[Gemma]

didn't like their posts on the first two pages

my knowledge pool is reading Syn's ISO and I'm chugging along

villagery

[ladd]

I am about to vomit some word salad about eod.

wanted to sleep but I have too much old man yelling at clouds energy stored up to go back to sleep.

At my PC now and gonna jump into eod from my pov post.
I am surprised you are changing your read on me this drastically. it is noted.

Id be super happy if you make me change it back!

I am just saying how i see eod atm. There is some world rask is a wolf i guess?

[Raskolnikov]

hey man I think you were town and just wrong on Syn. I just replaced in, any questions you have for me and do you want me to read anyones ISO in particular?

sup Dolby. glad to play with u again friendo. Yes, have a look at the knight and grr for me pls (I have had them as sr or leans but reevaluating). I might pass out in a few minutes, but will read tmr morning

[Raskolnikov]

y I looked for Jan's read on me prior to EOD too but couldn't find it Ladd. tell me if u find something (Jan, feel free to clarify or quote, or do ur own thing lmao).

[ladd]

I dont really have a problem with you(jan) defeding syn via rask read cause thats logical, what pinged me is the way you boxed yourself into voting just rask or syn that i really dont get


Alrighty i sleep for real. Laterz

[Gemma]

sup my fellow patate. Any read on dya? (asking about them specifically because the first thing they have done toDay is pairing me with him). Like myself I am ok with them (feels like villager missing out on some turns of events) but could use your hindsight (I am villa reading u glgl)

idk i dont enjoy their reads on you/ender but i also dont even v read you really so its just vague unease

based on the way they've played the game so far i expect they'll sit in my nulls forever unless something associative comes up

[Jan]

you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.

he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.

I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)

And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.

In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?


this is the post I made around eod (I cut the last bit).

and these are my thoughts about it(long rambling in spoiler)

as context the syn wagon was just taking off and in my mind rask had basically locked syn as villa and I assumed I would just go into syn iso lock him villa and yell at people until they become sane again.

I forgot how exactly to read syn meta until ladd (I think) mentioned it late in d1 (he used the word snark you can go look for it).
I knew I could go back into the last game and dive for it but didn't deem it necessary earlier on.

The first 3 lines are me ranting annoyed about syn being a polarized player and expecting a clear villa read.

after that you see my result after skimming the 3 isos (sounds like a lot but it is done in less than a minute)
I was very much disappointed because I expected a different result based on rasks confidence in his syn read.

That is why I added the line about rask.I was very much surprised rask was that confident in his read and thought a w/v world with tmi was possible.
(I was also the person who villa read syn because I did not think rask would villa read syn that early in a w/w world)

If I was with syn I would have voted rask here to get traction going. My actual hope was to defuse the wagon and not vote either, because I was unsure, and killing someone who in my mind should be meta clearable if villager is a cardinal sin.
I voted rask after bop voted there because I wanted rask more than syn. (because rask to me could easily be a wolf in a w/v world)

(The line about syn/rask/wisdom is based on rask defending syn too early and wisdom calling back to pregame conversation about rask. felt like a possible rask partner that jumped to my mind.)

I don't think I am capable of producing such a convoluted and ineffective defense of my partner as a wolf. I would have so much more conviction in it. (or bus for cred because this was the best moment to bus for cred)
And I would have continued posting and pushing the narrative instead of taking a 30 minute break at eod.

I am most likely one of the most calculated wolves in this game. I love powerwolfing but I see every wolf as a resource and some of them need to be used as cred for others if they cannot swim on their own.
And I am very much prone to maximize on cred off my dying partners and Syn was never endgaming after this push happened.


in addition:
knights- do yourself a favor and try to look at the game with the knowledge that I am villa. You have been stuck in a tunnel for most of this game and I think if you are a villager you are a useful resource but so far you have been lost for most of it. And while I don't mind being the boob to your knights for a little while, I don't think you liked that moment all that much.

[didistetter]

Jan when you get the chance, i'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on ladd and benneh

[Jan]

y I looked for Jan's read on me prior to EOD too but couldn't find it Ladd. tell me if u find something (Jan, feel free to clarify or quote, or do ur own thing lmao).

I had no real read on you.
You were drunk on cocktails and boobs.

In my mind you have sold your syn read as godread.
We played 2 games on the org and you were spot on both times and even explained it last game.

I had no read on you and your conviction on syn early spooked me.
I am still in no way convinced you are a villager, but we have a whole day to figure that out.

[Jan]

Jan when you get the chance, i'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on ladd and benneh

benneh is gth w just for not really playing the 2nd half of d1.
In my head lacking benneh is wolf benneh.

His idea on how to read sunbae sounded fine/logical today and he had some small sparks of villager d1.


Let me grab ladds iso to confirm something stuck in my head (or not).

[ladd]

this is the post I made around eod (I cut the last bit).

and these are my thoughts about it(long rambling in spoiler)

as context the syn wagon was just taking off and in my mind rask had basically locked syn as villa and I assumed I would just go into syn iso lock him villa and yell at people until they become sane again.

I forgot how exactly to read syn meta until ladd (I think) mentioned it late in d1 (he used the word snark you can go look for it).
I knew I could go back into the last game and dive for it but didn't deem it necessary earlier on.

The first 3 lines are me ranting annoyed about syn being a polarized player and expecting a clear villa read.

after that you see my result after skimming the 3 isos (sounds like a lot but it is done in less than a minute)
I was very much disappointed because I expected a different result based on rasks confidence in his syn read.

That is why I added the line about rask.I was very much surprised rask was that confident in his read and thought a w/v world with tmi was possible.
(I was also the person who villa read syn because I did not think rask would villa read syn that early in a w/w world)

If I was with syn I would have voted rask here to get traction going. My actual hope was to defuse the wagon and not vote either, because I was unsure, and killing someone who in my mind should be meta clearable if villager is a cardinal sin.
I voted rask after bop voted there because I wanted rask more than syn. (because rask to me could easily be a wolf in a w/v world)

(The line about syn/rask/wisdom is based on rask defending syn too early and wisdom calling back to pregame conversation about rask. felt like a possible rask partner that jumped to my mind.)

I don't think I am capable of producing such a convoluted and ineffective defense of my partner as a wolf. I would have so much more conviction in it. (or bus for cred because this was the best moment to bus for cred)
And I would have continued posting and pushing the narrative instead of taking a 30 minute break at eod.

I am most likely one of the most calculated wolves in this game. I love powerwolfing but I see every wolf as a resource and some of them need to be used as cred for others if they cannot swim on their own.
And I am very much prone to maximize on cred off my dying partners and Syn was never endgaming after this push happened.


in addition:
knights- do yourself a favor and try to look at the game with the knowledge that I am villa. You have been stuck in a tunnel for most of this game and I think if you are a villager you are a useful resource but so far you have been lost for most of it. And while I don't mind being the boob to your knights for a little while, I don't think you liked that moment all that much.

Thx for the explanation

What i dont get is if you didnt want either of them to go over why vote rask over gemma/knights wagons that were right there?

[Jan]

Newcomb syn was a wolf in their last game here and was def worse but i also think they are worse here than their vila games...so inconclusive. If it helps you give a baseline they are generally a snarky villager with fairly confident reads who makes a lot 1 liners


yea i thought rask was ok in their limited time, i wouldnt kill them

syn i am more cool with dying. i think rask kinda backtracked a little bit on their syn read later in the day too so i wouldnt say syn being a wolf is even outing for rask

4 posts left

These are ladds major syn and/or rask posts around eod.

The bolded part really confused me because rasks only reads on syn in the game are:


Because he isnt afraid of calling out someone actually, straight opening the game. Also Colonel uses a lot of words for raisins, dunno, might be playstule issue but its the opening I ve liked the least. We will see :p.

Vanta seemed stilted. Guess I will have a better read there once I see them casing someone. Rn they feel less confy itt.

Have a virtual mojito dya. Its excelleng

and


Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.

I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).

Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep

not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.

Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal :curtain:)


I think as wolf ladd would either ignore it or use those reads as defense and not say the bolded because I don't even think it is true.
(rasks only backtrack is this "it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn" and that is more a backdoor than a backtrack)

If ladd and rask are both wolves then this take is useless.
But if rask is a villager ladd looks better.
I need to look at ladds actual d1 pushes outside of sheep because honestly that is what you judge him on.

[Jan]

Thx for the explanation

What i dont get is if you didnt want either of them to go over why vote rask over gemma/knights wagons that were right there?

I was looking for an alternative wagon for most of pre eod.
grr and I both voted sunbae at one point because we were looking to change things up. (and then sunbae looked better and he was looking for something new as well etc)
That is actually the most reasonable part about my end of day.

[Jan]

Ya obviously I’m living in a world where Jan is a wolf and trying to power wolf and save his wolf bro from being cfd’d.

Which isn’t necessarily his play style I’ll grant you.


Vote: Jan

Knights goes 1 step forward and two steps back.
Maybe consider dance classes instead of werewolf games, friend.

[Gemma]

Jan why did u vote me lol

[Jan]

Jan why did u vote me lol

Ladd told me my vote was useless and I agreed.

Didn't want to vote knights or sheep.
Had seconds left and it was mostly a signal if syn flips villa.

[didistetter]

Gemma

i kinda feel like you ought to be in prime position to solve rn if town, given the wagons, susses, and shade on you.

how much investigating have you done based around people's approach to you this game?

what slots are currently in your poe/where you want to push more?

[Sunbae]

Im going to see deadpool and wolverine

Im pretty sure I'm gonna be able to just big vibe and shitpost this game while the titans of werewolf actually solve shit for me <3

:holiday2:

[didistetter]

Sunbae o/

question if you can recall where your head was at

when you popped into thread yesterday asking about slots "no one was discussing" and included me, wisdom, and syn: what made you choose that particular group of 3?

[Sunbae]

Sunbae o/

question if you can recall where your head was at

when you popped into thread yesterday asking about slots "no one was discussing" and included me, wisdom, and syn: what made you choose that particular group of 3?

I scrolled the list and grabbed three names of people I had no thoughts on

[didistetter]

I scrolled the list and grabbed three names of people I had no thoughts on

who did/do you have strong thoughts on?


didistetter you asked if sunbae is capable of pure tone as maf yesterday


yes, very much so. my method of finding him is seeing how he works / collaborates with others to develop his reads. when he's stubborn or faking the collaboration he's >rand mafia. sometimes its hard to identify that if the already-perceived momentum of the thread allows him to be more collaborative without hurting his teammates but its a good metric in general

i didn't get that feeling yesterday in real time. his engagement and excitement around workig with others felt real. i haven't backread anything yet so this mioght change with insights from yesterday but idk

idk if this is helpful now vs yesterday but ya

frankly, i thought your excercise kinda fits this description from benneh. im curious where you think it fits with your townplay, and if you think benneh's description of your style is accurate or not.





this is not rational nor charitable but sunbae's "we should look at people who nobody is talking about" thing floating stett in the same group as wisdom/syn kinda pings me. like those are different flavors of not being discussed - in stett's case it's because they are universally townread and independently obvious town and in the cases of the other two it's because they haven't posted enough or nobody really knows. and i think a villa might be a bit more discerning in the targets of "who is nobody talking about" than dropping these three names and saying they all had "vague town vibes" when that isn't really the case. they did the same thing with grr too. idk. it might not even be wolfy because there's the argument that a wolf might be more in tune with the consensus and what they can push. but still feels like a kinda strange angle for a villager to go for

ngl arctic kinda expressed soemthing pinging me about your excercise here. frankly, i was lock towned way too quickly imo, and the only person to really push back on it was wisdom, but i was prety high presence in thread, so not having any opinion on me when i was top of most people's readlists and also actively pushing people like benneh and ladd while v reading slots like knights/sheep/gemma kinda is odd to me to be tossed in same group as syn the maf and wisdom.

like—you've never played with me, so i wouldn't expect a strong read, but—idk it kinda felt like you were going through the motions of looking collaborative and towny without having any real stake in it, and without bothering to actually read thread.

i'm not sure if that's wolfy, but it doesn't quite sit right

[Jan]

Sunbae

Did you purposely stop at 69 posts?
Do you think I did?

[Sunbae]

Sunbae

Did you purposely stop at 69 posts?
Do you think I did?

yes
yes

[Gemma]

Gemma

i kinda feel like you ought to be in prime position to solve rn if town, given the wagons, susses, and shade on you.

how much investigating have you done based around people's approach to you this game?

what slots are currently in your poe/where you want to push more?

yannow people say that about folk in similar spots and idrgi personally, lot of folk myself included probably just feel more stifled by people pushing them than like achieving thread ascendancy or w/e

as a rule i rarely engage with people's reads on me, so basically none aside from ladd and none incoming at any point i'll leave that up to others with a less biased view

as for the second q i dont have enough v reads to have a functional poe so im more interested in fixing that before i bother pushing anyone also im lazy so im just gonna let reads come to me maybe i iso some folk at some point if im really stuck but eh

did that help

[didistetter]

yannow people say that about folk in similar spots and idrgi personally, lot of folk myself included probably just feel more stifled by people pushing them than like achieving thread ascendancy or w/e

as a rule i rarely engage with people's reads on me, so basically none aside from ladd and none incoming at any point i'll leave that up to others with a less biased view

as for the second q i dont have enough v reads to have a functional poe so im more interested in fixing that before i bother pushing anyone also im lazy so im just gonna let reads come to me maybe i iso some folk at some point if im really stuck but eh

did that help

not rlly but thanks for responding :P

ig it helps me figure out ur vibe at least

[Sunbae]

who did/do you have strong thoughts on?



This is not a barbed or pointed question but just to get a gauge on where we are at: have you read my posts or just skimmed them for general vibes? Its a big game so the second one is totally fine (I've done that with plenty in this game!). I just wanna know where to start

[Gemma]

hot off the presses

(he's right next to me)

https://i.imgur.com/QfcGIlB.jpeg

[Sunbae]

Sunbae: tbh I just think I confused you with sheep or gemma because it's their readlist (which are kinda similar on the lower side) I was targeting with "kinda sorted by expected ww competence". "Consensual" was not the right word because I have been just washed irl for the D1 timeline smh. "safe" would be a better description of what I had in mind re these readlist. So, guess sorry about it from a solving pov. Good news is that I now have the time.

ok that makes sense, I read that and was like WHAT lmao

[Sunbae]

fwiw, I think benneh specifically can get there on me being a lock villager right now with some thought :hide:

[Sunbae]

its spooky cause you are building up to this big bad ladd narrative but voting against someone that is clearly never paired with me




hmph

[Sunbae]

anyone around? here for vibes and dont really wanna post into the void

[didistetter]

This is not a barbed or pointed question but just to get a gauge on where we are at: have you read my posts or just skimmed them for general vibes? Its a big game so the second one is totally fine (I've done that with plenty in this game!). I just wanna know where to start
Sunbae

I’ve read everything in thread afaik, not all of it has firmly stuck but:

My notes on your reads, so correct me if I’m wrong

Strong town reads:
Dya
Maple
Benneh
Insomnia

People you townread but also shaded some:
Newcomb
Knights

Townleans:
Arctic
Grr

People you had “mild towny vibes on”
Wisdom
Didistetter
Syn

People you FoS:
Enderwiggin
Ladd
Jan
Raskolnikov


So, ig I was wanting to see how your reads have/haven’t shifted. Seems like you still sus jan, but I’m curious how, if anything, a red flip and eod/wagons have affected your reeval (if you’ve had much time to read latter half of d1 yet)

Idk some of your longer posts felt pure imo, but some of your reads and insistence on TRs (maple, benneh) feel.. oddly strong? Espec given you said you’ve misread maple before


ender is also weird to me. feel like you haven't interacted there at all, and it was kinda echoing benneh's sus there, which. frankly skeeves me out from both of yall but feels probably unpaired.

[Sunbae]

I don't think I can help you with much here didistetter, sorry

Your last sentence is about me not interacting with Ender but I do not know how I am supposed to interact with Ender when we haven't been in the thread at the same time? I expressed an early suspicion there, elaborated why, then focused elsewhere. Then in another stint I responded to something he said about me leading the suspicion on him despite it being the most mild of concern expression and moved on. Though the irony of Ender saying I was the cause of his wagon while Knights was shading me for not being Newcomb and nobody wanting to vote for anyone I was sketchy on was not lost on me.

I do not know how to explain better than I already have on reads on Benneh and Maple (I'll even throw in Dya). I spent individual posts trying to explain to Newcomb those three specific reads (I am well aware people listen to him more and was hoping outside of getting to volleyball with each other that he could signal boost stuff for me, alas). Though I have taken his Maple stuff to heart and have moved Maple down some.

I cannot respond to your previous question of "you feel performative" with anything other than what boils down "nah" or "k" and both of those are far too antagonistic/dismissive for what I feel (which is just "thats like, your opinion and no amount of 'nah' can really disprove that" so I'm just gonna mostly shrug at it and move on).

[Maple]

k so: wagons that felt interesting to me:

Wagons as of #1170 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858003&viewfull=1#post2053858003)

Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Sheepsaysmeep, Ladd, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (2) Newcomb, Dyachei
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Maple




Wagons as of
#1197 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858030&viewfull=1#post2053858030)

Syn (5) Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Maple
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd
Theknightsofneeee (2) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
Gemma (2) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Montmorency

not rlly sure if maf were likely to be trying to save syn, but mont's unvote and maple's vote on rask both feel a little weird. i dont like the sheep cw, but i doubt maf would stack there to save an afk

i tr grr and bop, so if any wolves on that second rask wagon it'd be jan or maple.

it kinda feels like after gemma and insom swapped to syn there wasnt any other real attempt to shift wagons, but there's a chance wolves might have been inactive at eod so didnt have manpower to save them?

maple's last sec vote felt giga credgrabby lol but. maybe twtbaw, idk

I'm sure one *could* verify this if they wanted to spend the effort on it, but the general idea goes like this.

The idea is that you swap over to whichever wagon is probably going over to confirm it as the kill in case of shenanigans. Frankly, I didnt care who went over between gemma syn rask. I was going to vote to protect knights if need be. I preferred one of the slots i didnt give a shit about over sheep because while d1ing sheep again would be really funny it'd be rude.

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Refraining from commenting on Dolby's stuff for the moment, don't want to rattle things quite yet.

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Syn 5 (Newcomb, Gemma, insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter)
Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Theknightsofneeee 2 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

i might be the only villager on the sheep wagon. rask wagon needs to be investigated, too. im pretty sure bop is a villager but he's a very good wolf so I won't disrespect him by clearing him

gemma wagon might be pure but she did vote syn in a good manner

Your wording here stands out to me but I'm going to chalk that up to a me problem for now.

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my brain is currently incapable of reading jan's wall

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feeling cute might tunnel arctic for like 40 posts, im considering it

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before someone asks, whenever i feel like making a post, i just add another section to this post rather than spamming all these out in real time, im trying to conserve a bit so i can spam realtime later

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got nothing to talk about for now, prob gonna go to bed and check in tomorrow, unless people start posting at me

[Sunbae]

As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.

Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).

I'm currently operating under the framework of like:

0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb


Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma


Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta



but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some

[Wisdom]

I think rask looks like a very likely syn partner. Ender didn't come off great either in reading interactions. Rask post #179 particularly pinged me as w/w

Only here to check the flips but I really don't think Rask would go ham on calling Syn town the way he did if he was a wolf. It's rare for any wolf to town lock a mate town like that. Just think he's a wrong villager.

[Sunbae]

Only here to check the flips but I really don't think Rask would go ham on calling Syn town the way he did if he was a wolf. It's rare for any wolf to town lock a mate town like that. Just think he's a wrong villager.

Could you explain that a little more for me please? Would love to town Rask, esp with the explanation given earlier that makes me not so squinty at Rask

[Wisdom]

Nvm I've probably slept enough

I would like to interact a bit before the americans realizes sleep is a good thing.

Sunbae, do you think the Syn wagon was pure and if so, why?

[Sunbae]

didistetter (i think i read you didnt like didi but can i shorten to stett?)

on that list, id be very itnerested on the 0-1 wolf tier from your pov.

[Sunbae]

Nvm I've probably slept enough

I would like to interact a bit before the americans realizes sleep is a good thing.

Sunbae, do you think the Syn wagon was pure and if so, why?

I don't think it has to be, no but it's hard for me to gauge the eod vibes without me being around so I'm just taking a lot at face value right now and seeing how everyone reacts today

[Sunbae]

Ladd told me my vote was useless and I agreed.

Didn't want to vote knights or sheep.
Had seconds left and it was mostly a signal if syn flips villa.

I think I can understand this. Can you chat with me about my list? I'd like to iron it out some and people in my bottom tier are probs the best to give input on where I might be mistaken

[Sunbae]

I dont really have a problem with you(jan) defeding syn via rask read cause thats logical, what pinged me is the way you boxed yourself into voting just rask or syn that i really dont get


Alrighty i sleep for real. Laterz

Didnt Jan end on Gemma?

[Wisdom]

Kinda agree lol. I read 2 pages and I wanna kill the colonel and Vanta. Syn is town. Never rescind


Because he isnt afraid of calling out someone actually, straight opening the game. Also Colonel uses a lot of words for raisins, dunno, might be playstule issue but its the opening I ve liked the least. We will see :p.

Vanta seemed stilted. Guess I will have a better read there once I see them casing someone. Rn they feel less confy itt.

Have a virtual mojito dya. Its excelleng

He called Syn lock town based on him agreeing with Syn on Bop. In his second post.

Part of why that makes Rask town is that Rask and Syn knows each other well and Rask was (previous to this at least) proud of how well he could read Syn. In our last Org game together, Rask caught w!Syn quite fast if not instantly. It makes sense for him to be cocky and jump the gun.

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

[Sunbae]

catching up I was at something like knight/sheep/Maple/Jan/Grrr as immediate POE but like I am prolly going to start over considering my record so far lol. Jan and Grrr being somhow ego reads (and since I am villa I can totally see Jan pushing a counter wagon on me at EOD). Grrr vote record stinks (he also literrally voted me for reading him in good faith lol, prolly sponging Sunbae too but) and he have had some of the most LAMIST post itg so far, but i dunno, his posts are pure. Might still be worth looking into more iyam.

I am gonna have more time toDay too so dw, u will get plenty of thoughts from me :p

Wait let me reread Grrr if the votes are bad one sec

[Wisdom]

Kinda agree lol. I read 2 pages and I wanna kill the colonel and Vanta. Syn is town. Never rescind


Because he isnt afraid of calling out someone actually, straight opening the game. Also Colonel uses a lot of words for raisins, dunno, might be playstule issue but its the opening I ve liked the least. We will see :p.

Vanta seemed stilted. Guess I will have a better read there once I see them casing someone. Rn they feel less confy itt.

Have a virtual mojito dya. Its excelleng


I don't think it has to be, no but it's hard for me to gauge the eod vibes without me being around so I'm just taking a lot at face value right now and seeing how everyone reacts today

Oh you also weren't there on EoD, darn ^^

You might be right, but in your woof pile I only really see Mont and Vanta as possible hits.

Thoughts on C0balt/Dolby? Doesn't see him on the list.

[Wisdom]

>: Excuse you multiquote!

[ladd]

Didnt Jan end on Gemma?

At like :00 but he posted all eod from the perspective of syn/rask being the only options



Anyway i skimmed eod real quick and as much as i absolutely hate insomnia read on me i guess he is probably a villager

I have already softened up on jan cause he has that effect on me lmao

[Sunbae]

Oh you also weren't there on EoD, darn ^^

You might be right, but in your woof pile I only really see Mont and Vanta as possible hits.

Thoughts on C0balt/Dolby? Doesn't see him on the list.

OH! missed that one. Currently in the bottom pile but no actual read. Will try to shore that one up soon

[Sunbae]

He called Syn lock town based on him agreeing with Syn on Bop. In his second post.

Part of why that makes Rask town is that Rask and Syn knows each other well and Rask was (previous to this at least) proud of how well he could read Syn. In our last Org game together, Rask caught w!Syn quite fast if not instantly. It makes sense for him to be cocky and jump the gun.

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

thank you for the lore background, saw people saying rask reads syn well but didnt realize it was to that degree. i always hesitate to put a lot of stock in the last sentence type things cause i cant really know what weird things people might try but I will keep it in mind. Out of curiosity, do you feel like Rask posted towards Syn near eod like someone who reads someone well and thinks they are a villager?

[Sunbae]

At like :00 but he posted all eod from the perspective of syn/rask being the only options



Anyway i skimmed eod real quick and as much as i absolutely hate insomnia read on me i guess he is probably a villager

I have already softened up on jan cause he has that effect on me lmao

ahhh gotcha ok

can you talk more about the box in thing? im not 100% following but i think its cause i wasnt around

and i get it, its hard to not love jan <3

[ladd]

ahhh gotcha ok

can you talk more about the box in thing? im not 100% following but i think its cause i wasnt around

and i get it, its hard to not love jan <3

I would but i have no idea whats the box in thing

[Wisdom]

thank you for the lore background, saw people saying rask reads syn well but didnt realize it was to that degree. i always hesitate to put a lot of stock in the last sentence type things cause i cant really know what weird things people might try but I will keep it in mind. Out of curiosity, do you feel like Rask posted towards Syn near eod like someone who reads someone well and thinks they are a villager?

Don't think I've read the posts you're talking about. Last Rask/Syn thing I remember was Rask explaining to me why he thought Syn was town.

[Wisdom]

I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw

[Sunbae]

I would but i have no idea whats the box in thing

like why you thought jan was boxing in to one of those two votes

[ColonelLubriderm]

-I just woke up

[ColonelLubriderm]

I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw

I for one am shocked at this turn of events

[ladd]

-I just woke up

you are my newcomb, time to lunch a wolf then die





Sunbae it was these posts (mostly the last post, cause like if he was leaning villa on syn and didnt wolfread rask i dont get why he was voting rask and focusing so much on the rask/sy dinamyc); but after his explanation and reading back on his reads he did say he liked none of the previous wagons so that makes it more understandable i guess


you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.

he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.

I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)

And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.

In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?

While at a PC for a moment:



this take is actually bad. sunbae stopped posting because he was topposter and actually had some fine solving post in the last 24 hours.
both in absolute post as well as in % sunbae is way above ben in content. it is just not a good take.


vote: raskolnikov


this was rasks last take on syn.


because I don't think rask is wrong on syn.

it can be w/w or w/v with rask w.
in either world voting rask is better.

if it is v/v either vote is bad.

[ColonelLubriderm]

you are my newcomb, time to lunch a wolf then die

Real talk, I truly feel I helped getting syn going despite not staying there. This is not a meme

[Wisdom]

Vote: Vanta Black

Everyone else has done something towny at this point.

I still think Gemma could be a wolf but I'll give her some benefit of the doubt for the timing when she voted Syn (knowing that Syn only had 1 or 2 votes and would become more of a contesting wagon).

I think Syn was really busable at that point tho.

[ladd]

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. @Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

Montmorency

i am gonna need you to pull the receipts on how it's similar to that game (that i have no recollection of fwiw lol) because literally all i did was say to newcomb that if given a shot i'd dayvig syn and syn going "what really", I don't see how it would make you lean on it being distancing vs v/w

and hally being on the list but not me is cause i am not on visor OP list since i subbed in for hally and thats probably the list syn used


Real talk, I truly feel I helped getting syn going despite not staying there. This is not a meme

i believe it. i think you/artic/stett/grr are the most obvious villagers itg

[ladd]

He called Syn lock town based on him agreeing with Syn on Bop. In his second post.

Part of why that makes Rask town is that Rask and Syn knows each other well and Rask was (previous to this at least) proud of how well he could read Syn. In our last Org game together, Rask caught w!Syn quite fast if not instantly. It makes sense for him to be cocky and jump the gun.

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

i have seen it


how would you expect syn/rask w/w to play out?

[ColonelLubriderm]

As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.

Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).

I'm currently operating under the framework of like:

0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb


Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma


Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta



but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some

I have nitpicks but by and large this is where I am at as well(nitpicks being I’d lower the strength of a few of the top/mid tier)

[didistetter]

I was inverted last night. Not sure what that means.

Will be more conservative with posts today lol


>rand village action targeting my slot, depending what this means.

Gonna laugh if this ends up being a loud douse.

Syn slipping me into top village for no reason is nagl, I'm sure ??

In any case, slotting stet and knights into v for the moment. I'm not feeling the need to go back on any of my prior v leans at this moment.

Interested in ender and wisdom to start with, thinking about some other peeps too.

so,

my apologies if this is BM, I checked the various rule threads and couldn’t see anything that would indicate its a problem.

But

This has been gnawing at me and I realized why.

Before inning this game, I read through a game on MU to make sure this one wasn't gonna be super bastard or anything, and one of the mafia roles in that game was a mafia spy: who can invert a role once per game

My issue here is that: maple endgamed that game, and was def aware of the role. So mentioning the effect here but assuming its town motivated feels kinda weird.

Thought is bothering me that Manti could be drawing on experience to infer being targeted by a maf for cred.

Or maybe this game just has a mafia spy who burnt their inverse on manti N1 off a pr read.

Idk.
Maple what makes you think it was >rand village action, and why not draw on your experience from secret game?

anyways back to sleep, that was just nagging at me

https://media1.tenor.com/m/QmLLV2v5-w8AAAAd/huh-what.gif

[Wisdom]

i have seen it


how would you expect syn/rask w/w to play out?

Syn would probably bus Rask lol
And Rask would probably avoid Syn until there's some thread temp on him

Maybe. Just my 2c

[didistetter]

didistetter (i think i read you didnt like didi but can i shorten to stett?)

on that list, id be very itnerested on the 0-1 wolf tier from your pov.

Sunbae stett is great :2thumbsup:

if you mean my thoughts on your 0-1 tier, benneh is nowhere near a TR for me. the rest i agree with.

if you're asking what my 0-1 tier would look like:

grr
ColonelLubriderm
Insomnia
Arctic
dyachei
Theknightsofneeee

[ColonelLubriderm]

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

Wait til you see what stet alignment really is

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) what do you make of
I did not get stubbornness from this or the vibes I’m talking about. The task and Jan sus felt organic to me and echod some concerns I had about rask, plus it was him engaging ppl to sort out his read proactively rather than reactively being stubborn about changing it when challenged or asked to consider other viewpoints

also like he might be/have been right about rask lol

i think the callouts on you/Arctic make sense because he doesn’t have a ton of experience with either of you. Idk, there’s like awkwardness to the callout on you cause you were talked about but I feel like he’s savvy enough and maybe too self aware as a wolf to address something like that. I don’t see what purpose that serves regrdlesss of lots of varying alignments of you/him/others and he’s very much a purpose driven wolf

[Sunbae]

Sunbae stett is great :2thumbsup:

if you mean my thoughts on your 0-1 tier, benneh is nowhere near a TR for me. the rest i agree with.

if you're asking what my 0-1 tier would look like:

grr
ColonelLubriderm
Insomnia
Arctic
dyachei
Theknightsofneeee

Ok can you break down Grr for me? I'd love to be able to lock that one in

[nebjiamn]

fwiw, I think benneh specifically can get there on me being a lock villager right now with some thought :hide:


Unfortunately for you I am in a head empty no thoughts space rn. I’m even wearing the shirt. (I’m not I wish I bought it)

[Sunbae]

hi benneh!

[Sunbae]

Unfortunately for you I am in a head empty no thoughts space rn. I’m even wearing the shirt. (I’m not I wish I bought it)

thats ok! i trust youll get there :)

[ColonelLubriderm]

But even aside from their relationship and history, I've never seen a wolf call his mate lock town on post 2 based on ~nothing.

Iget that you feel that rask is a villa because you think it’s suboptimal but to say you’ve never seen this feels so hyperbolic it borders on incredulous. I say this based on the fact that even though I don’t think we’ve played together a lot, i know you’ve played a lot and this type of play is probably in the uncommon variety but not rare or ultra rare.

[ladd]

vote:maple

I will probably afk and just read for a while

[Sunbae]

I did not get stubbornness from this or the vibes I’m talking about. The task and Jan sus felt organic to me and echod some concerns I had about rask, plus it was him engaging ppl to sort out his read proactively rather than reactively being stubborn about changing it when challenged or asked to consider other viewpoints

also like he might be/have been right about rask lol

i think the callouts on you/Arctic make sense because he doesn’t have a ton of experience with either of you. Idk, there’s like awkwardness to the callout on you cause you were talked about but I feel like he’s savvy enough and maybe too self aware as a wolf to address something like that. I don’t see what purpose that serves regrdlesss of lots of varying alignments of you/him/others and he’s very much a purpose driven wolf

Are you proud of me for not talking about myself so much!!

[Sunbae]

I have nitpicks but by and large this is where I am at as well(nitpicks being I’d lower the strength of a few of the top/mid tier)

im all for nitpicking atm, which ones?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Unfortunately for you I am in a head empty no thoughts space rn. I’m even wearing the shirt. (I’m not I wish I bought it)

I have no pants on

AMA

[nebjiamn]

I have no pants on

AMA
My face is covered in a cpap and I smell like coconut oil. Maybe related, maybe not.

[ColonelLubriderm]

I’d drop benneh/insomnia a tier and Gemma a tier

[Wisdom]

Iget that you feel that rask is a villa because you think it’s suboptimal but to say you’ve never seen this feels so hyperbolic it borders on incredulous. I say this based on the fact that even though I don’t think we’ve played together a lot, i know you’ve played a lot and this type of play is probably in the uncommon variety but not rare or ultra rare.

That's just you being literal. x)
I've probably seen it but I don't remember seeing it, regardless it's still >rand v

[Sunbae]

I’d drop benneh/insomnia a tier and Gemma a tier

I would eagerly take notes on your insom/gemma thoughts if you get the time this game day

[ColonelLubriderm]

We just need a plumber to walk in looking to lay some pipe

Subscribe to benneh’s discord Patreon to see how this story ends

[nebjiamn]

so,

my apologies if this is BM, I checked the various rule threads and couldn’t see anything that would indicate its a problem.

But

This has been gnawing at me and I realized why.

Before inning this game, I read through a game on MU to make sure this one wasn't gonna be super bastard or anything, and one of the mafia roles in that game was a mafia spy: who can invert a role once per game

My issue here is that: maple endgamed that game, and was def aware of the role. So mentioning the effect here but assuming its town motivated feels kinda weird.

Thought is bothering me that Manti could be drawing on experience to infer being targeted by a maf for cred.

Or maybe this game just has a mafia spy who burnt their inverse on manti N1 off a pr read.

Idk.
@Maple (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102072) what makes you think it was >rand village action, and why not draw on your experience from secret game?

anyways back to sleep, that was just nagging at me

https://media1.tenor.com/m/QmLLV2v5-w8AAAAd/huh-what.gif
What does inverting do

[Maple]

so,

my apologies if this is BM, I checked the various rule threads and couldn’t see anything that would indicate its a problem.

But

This has been gnawing at me and I realized why.

Before inning this game, I read through a game on MU to make sure this one wasn't gonna be super bastard or anything, and one of the mafia roles in that game was a mafia spy: who can invert a role once per game

My issue here is that: maple endgamed that game, and was def aware of the role. So mentioning the effect here but assuming its town motivated feels kinda weird.

Thought is bothering me that Manti could be drawing on experience to infer being targeted by a maf for cred.

Or maybe this game just has a mafia spy who burnt their inverse on manti N1 off a pr read.

Idk.
Maple what makes you think it was >rand village action, and why not draw on your experience from secret game?

anyways back to sleep, that was just nagging at me

https://media1.tenor.com/m/QmLLV2v5-w8AAAAd/huh-what.gif

I have no idea what game you are talking about.

My role was changed from [tarot card] to Reverse [tarot card]. I am now an inverted card. It is unlikely that wolves would use a negative action on me because *literally why would they*, so my presumption is some villager inverted me and that *something* is gonna happen to me. I do not know specifically what the mechanics at play here are.

For more information, check out the Wikipedia page for tarot reading.

[nebjiamn]

I’d drop benneh/insomnia a tier and Gemma a tier

minir squabble but I’d put the likes of Arctic and insom in the top tier and only really revisit if we find out we had a really strong eod with several elves wagoned leaving them with no choice but to bus

both read as having surface level strong eods for me knowing syns flip. More so Inso than Arctic but that’s a light distinguished all things considered

[nebjiamn]

I have no idea what game you are talking about.

My role was changed from [tarot card] to Reverse [tarot card]. I am now an inverted card. It is unlikely that wolves would use a negative action on me because *literally why would they*, so my presumption is some villager inverted me and that *something* is gonna happen to me. I do not know specifically what the mechanics at play here are.

For more information, check out the Wikipedia page for tarot reading.

maybe the wolves were hoping you’d get inverted and have to send a glorious lost villager shitpost into the thread instead of a fake lost wolf one

seems like an obvious reason to me

[Maple]

Every post I make is a lost villager shitpost, I can't fuckin read

[Raskolnikov]

These are ladds major syn and/or rask posts around eod.

The bolded part really confused me because rasks only reads on syn in the game are:



and




I think as wolf ladd would either ignore it or use those reads as defense and not say the bolded because I don't even think it is true.
(rasks only backtrack is this "it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn" and that is more a backdoor than a backtrack)

If ladd and rask are both wolves then this take is useless.
But if rask is a villager ladd looks better.
I need to look at ladds actual d1 pushes outside of sheep because honestly that is what you judge him on.

Tbh Jan, I think Ladd is a villager here for this. Id be dead I guess otherwise.

To be complete too about Syn, me quoting his "sleep, not sheep" post is me expressing a little ping. Though y, I was still expecting a green flip. Hope it helps solving our slots

[Vanta Black]

so,

my apologies if this is BM, I checked the various rule threads and couldn’t see anything that would indicate its a problem.

But

This has been gnawing at me and I realized why.

Before inning this game, I read through a game on MU to make sure this one wasn't gonna be super bastard or anything, and one of the mafia roles in that game was a mafia spy: who can invert a role once per game

My issue here is that: maple endgamed that game, and was def aware of the role. So mentioning the effect here but assuming its town motivated feels kinda weird.

Thought is bothering me that Manti could be drawing on experience to infer being targeted by a maf for cred.

Or maybe this game just has a mafia spy who burnt their inverse on manti N1 off a pr read.

Idk.
Maple what makes you think it was >rand village action, and why not draw on your experience from secret game?

anyways back to sleep, that was just nagging at me

https://media1.tenor.com/m/QmLLV2v5-w8AAAAd/huh-what.gif

I am quoting this because it kind of illustrates a problem I have, and also the seal illustrates me.

I am a very low-level player and I read this three times and still don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you mean by BM, I don't know why reading MU to see if this game would be bastard would uh, tell you that, I guess I do know that Manti is Maple but "burnt inverse" etc. means nothing to me, it's just beyond me.

A lot of you guys' posts I have to read three times before I can make any sense out of them, and even when I do I lose the thread almost immediately. Sorry for dragging the general intelligence of the thread down.

I mean, I guess I thought I might improve my game by playing with elite players, but I am so far behind.

Anyway, in a couple of words, is this suspicion on Maple or not? Because I have town lean on Maple left over from yesterday. That's... basically what I got from "being targeted by maf for cred."

[ColonelLubriderm]

For me, insomnia is similar as you/benneh for me in that I think you’ve all been generally village but if you turned out to be a wolf it wouldn’t be a huge twist.

What sets insomnia apart from you/benneh is that there was this interaction with dya insomnia had that makes more sense as a villager than it does as a wolf, not locking him but in my eyes makes him a stronger V read. I can’t think of an interaction you or benneh have had that make me go (yeah this is probably coming from a villager)


WRT Gemma; I don’t think her voting Syn really means much in terms of alignment and outside of enjoying her presence(her eod post about posts unlocked when they weren’t made me Laff and almost go over cap) I don’t think she’s done anything villagy

[ladd]

i could go on and on about artic being a villager cause the latter half of their day was so good i'd be genuinely shocked if they were wolfing but like the nail in the coffin is ending on syn at eod and this being their last post:


i doubt this is a hit cuz gemma and knights prob aren't pure and all of a sudden they both forgot they were fighting each other and converged here so.. yea

if you are bussing you ~never make this post, this post was written by a villager as a snap reaction to the progression of votes



this is a free v read that everyone can add IYAM


i have re read EoD again and i feel Jan is on an island? Like if he is a wolf he is probably the only wolf (besides maybe ender) around for eod cause his posts are very off beat compared to everyone else


i guess a lot depends on what combo of alignments gemma/knights are

thing that slightly pinged me was maple ignoring newcomb push on syn cause ime they tend to lean onto those type of pushes a lot as a villager. But also not sure how much they were following along

dunno i am not super convinced by this. I mostly just want people i dont villa read to post and get a better read on them

[ColonelLubriderm]

I am quoting this because it kind of illustrates a problem I have, and also the seal illustrates me.

I am a very low-level player and I read this three times and still don't know what you're saying. I don't know what you mean by BM, I don't know why reading MU to see if this game would be bastard would uh, tell you that, I guess I do know that Manti is Maple but "burnt inverse" etc. means nothing to me, it's just beyond me.

A lot of you guys' posts I have to read three times before I can make any sense out of them, and even when I do I lose the thread almost immediately. Sorry for dragging the general intelligence of the thread down.

I mean, I guess I thought I might improve my game by playing with elite players, but I am so far behind.

Anyway, in a couple of words, is this suspicion on Maple or not? Because I have town lean on Maple left over from yesterday. That's... basically what I got from "being targeted by maf for cred."

N1 vanta V

[ladd]

Vote: Vanta Black

Everyone else has done something towny at this point.

I still think Gemma could be a wolf but I'll give her some benefit of the doubt for the timing when she voted Syn (knowing that Syn only had 1 or 2 votes and would become more of a contesting wagon).

I think Syn was really busable at that point tho.

didnt you villa read vanta yesterday?

you are allowed to change your mind obviously, but i feel they have done something villagery for you



thoughts on eod if u read it? general poe still the same or?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vanta I got your back

Flap those baby bird wings and let those babies fly

We’ll catch ya if you fall

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vanta;

BM = bad manners

Stet is saying that on another mafia forum there is a role that does something maple claimed happened to him here; and in the game with that role maple won as a wolf

He is tinfoiling(aka theorizing on a low chance possibility) if maple is using the info that he was inverted in this game(allegedly) as some kind of nefarious ploy as mafia

[Maple]

i could go on and on about artic being a villager cause the latter half of their day was so good i'd be genuinely shocked if they were wolfing but like the nail in the coffin is ending on syn at eod and this being their last post:



if you are bussing you ~never make this post, this post was written by a villager as a snap reaction to the progression of votes



this is a free v read that everyone can add IYAM


i have re read EoD again and i feel Jan is on an island? Like if he is a wolf he is probably the only wolf (besides maybe ender) around for eod cause his posts are very off beat compared to everyone else


i guess a lot depends on what combo of alignments gemma/knights are

thing that slightly pinged me was maple ignoring newcomb push on syn cause ime they tend to lean onto those type of pushes a lot as a villager. But also not sure how much they were following along

dunno i am not super convinced by this. I mostly just want people i dont villa read to post and get a better read on them

I hadn't read much at the time. I decided to follow bop onto i-dont-remember, since he was on a cw that looked potentially viable.

I did consider sheeping newcomb at the time tho. Like I said, I was convinced by knights at eod and played around that.

[Sunbae]

Mont eod of calling Syn wagon pure, saying doesnt want to vote Knights, voting Rask, then unvoting when its Rask/Syn wagons and being done with eod is villagery I think?

[ColonelLubriderm]

At least that’s how I read it. As a titan of werewolf myself I found the post a bit unclear but that’s what I got out of it

[ColonelLubriderm]

I don’t know why people sus on maple

He’s the best neighbor ever.

Sometimes you just got to believe

[ColonelLubriderm]

I don’t know why people sus on maple

He’s the best neighbor ever.

Sometimes you just got to believe

He’s been talking about this reverse inversion shit and I told him maybe there is a third party team of magic cards and his ass just got tapped

[Maple]

Mafia players hate to see a bitch thrive :sleepy:

[Vanta Black]

Vanta;

BM = bad manners

Stet is saying that on another mafia forum there is a role that does something maple claimed happened to him here; and in the game with that role maple won as a wolf

He is tinfoiling(aka theorizing on a low chance possibility) if maple is using the info that he was inverted in this game(allegedly) as some kind of nefarious ploy as mafia

Thank you, would you like to be my translater for the rest of the game (or as long as I last anyhow)?

Maple's response to it also helped clear things up.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Thank you, would you like to be my translater for the rest of the game (or as long as I last anyhow)?

Maple's response to it also helped clear things up.

I got you, just @ me with the post in question

[ColonelLubriderm]

I’m gonna go back to sleep

[Vanta Black]

Well I am going to bed now, I had a meeting earlier tonight and it used up most of my brain. But I'm saying this for tomorrow, I thought Gemma's vote on syn was a little skeevy. I have got a note that says she had a town lean on him earlier, if I can read my writing. I want to iso her and see how this happened because I also think she had early townlean on TKON and also put a vote on him. You all can read this as light suss on Gemma. I can't prove nothin' though.

[ladd]

Well I am going to bed now, I had a meeting earlier tonight and it used up most of my brain. But I'm saying this for tomorrow, I thought Gemma's vote on syn was a little skeevy. I have got a note that says she had a town lean on him earlier, if I can read my writing. I want to iso her and see how this happened because I also think she had early townlean on TKON and also put a vote on him. You all can read this as light suss on Gemma. I can't prove nothin' though.

This seems like a villagery post

[Wisdom]

didnt you villa read vanta yesterday?

you are allowed to change your mind obviously, but i feel they have done something villagery for you



thoughts on eod if u read it? general poe still the same or?

They had some towny vibe in their opening posts but it was mostly a gut reaction from my part, not based on any reasoning. I think they're quite a bit of macro town vibes but I can't see anything towny when I squint.

It's a bit of a coward vote, because obviously I'm missing a few wolves, but it's the safest vote. My read of both Vanta and Gemma reminds me of how I felt about Neowise in my recent Champs game (wolf), and also like Vanta/Gemma did in our last game. In that game Vanta was town though (Gemma was still a w) but I think it's a good idea to give them some pressure.

[Raskolnikov]

WRT Gemma; I don’t think her voting Syn really means much in terms of alignment and outside of enjoying her presence(her eod post about posts unlocked when they weren’t made me Laff and almost go over cap) I don’t think she’s done anything villagy

Why do you think that way? Because it definatly made an impact on which flip was happenning (like priot to that knights or me was v likely)?

I mean OUTSIDE of that Id agree, but she at least did that so I am not sure why u feel that way. (Unless ur solve is syn/gemma/me lolol)

[Raskolnikov]

Tbp rn I feel ur putting a narrative itt with this pal

[Wisdom]

My main read change overnight is that I'm more comfortable saying Bop is town.

Bop's tunnel on me in hinsight wasn't too far away from the standard v!tunnels I get, I just OMGUS'd because the things he pushed was obviously NAI for me (which he probably wouldn't know since we've only played mashes together) and doubling down despite others correcting him (and not even acknowledging that) is town indicative for most. Tunnels are towny, wrong =/= wolf.

[Wisdom]

Rask, do we agree on anything this game? >:

[Raskolnikov]

Rask, do we agree on anything this game? >:

Dunno. I havent had time to put a lot of thought to ur stuff since I was limited on time. Anything u wanna bring up?

[Raskolnikov]

If u want I will try to do a recap of where I stand after lunch. Will prolly help me and others since there are slot I havent posted about but have thoughts on. (Like sometimes I just nod and dont post)

[Wisdom]

Dunno. I havent had time to put a lot of thought to ur stuff since I was limited on time. Anything u wanna bring up?

Na I haven't really gotten invested enough to have many hard stances yet, but everytime I see you post a read I disagree with it (maybe not true, but at least with Syn/Bop).

What do you feel about a Vanta wagon today?

And what's your thoughts on Ladd/Ender?

[Raskolnikov]

Na I haven't really gotten invested enough to have many hard stances yet, but everytime I see you post a read I disagree with it (maybe not true, but at least with Syn/Bop).

What do you feel about a Vanta wagon today?

And what's your thoughts on Ladd/Ender?

Vanta is rand aorn. I do think they will produce reads if given time and like I thunk there are more productive things to do tbh.

Ladd v, ender null (i have posted a bit about Ladd if u wanna dig, Ender is a slot I will ISO today or try to interact if given the chance)

[Raskolnikov]

Talk to me about Bop

[Wisdom]

Vanta is rand aorn. I do think they will produce reads if given time and like I thunk there are more productive things to do tbh.

Ladd v, ender null (i have posted a bit about Ladd if u wanna dig, Ender is a slot I will ISO today or try to interact if given the chance)

Is there a way to see full posts when ISOing people? Because Ctrl+F Ladd on your ISO gave me nothing except "Sucks to be Ladd" ^^'

[Wisdom]

Talk to me about Bop

I don't have much to say except my earlier post on this page. His tunnel on me was likely coming from a town!PoV. I don't think he's w/w with Maple. That's pretty much all I got on him.

[Raskolnikov]

Is there a way to see full posts when ISOing people? Because Ctrl+F Ladd on your ISO gave me nothing except "Sucks to be Ladd" ^^'

Lmao no.

U will have to manually click and check every post. Read the last one from D2 though

* for context that was a joke because Grr was rambling being a tier3 villager prone to end game in Jans list. And he was sitting next to Ladd which I found hilarious

[Raskolnikov]

I don't have much to say except my earlier post on this page. His tunnel on me was likely coming from a town!PoV. I don't think he's w/w with Maple. That's pretty much all I got on him.

So why did u post u disagree with me? Outside what I said about his opening post I havent locked him anywhere. I need to check his progression because yes, I feel some opportunism in his stance on my slot but its not what I call a sr yet

[Raskolnikov]

Sorry for typos btw. I am on phone and have big fingers :bow:

[Gemma]

At like :00 but he posted all eod from the perspective of syn/rask being the only options



Anyway i skimmed eod real quick and as much as i absolutely hate insomnia read on me i guess he is probably a villager

I have already softened up on jan cause he has that effect on me lmao

so whats your worldview now that im v

[ladd]

so whats your worldview now that im v

honestly? i have no idea

i have a bunch of people i am hyper confident are villagers that i already posted but for the rest it's still just a bunch of people where none sticks to me as an homerun wolf read atm



i plan to spend most of my available time reading today and then spend most of my posting tomorrow, if i can help my self from posting that is.

[Wisdom]

So why did u post u disagree with me? Outside what I said about his opening post I havent locked him anywhere. I need to check his progression because yes, I feel some opportunism in his stance on my slot but its not what I call a sr yet

Because the same minute I'm saying I'm thinking Bop could be town, you're saying Bop's making a narrative (which I interpreted as you finding him wolfy). :P

[ladd]

syn flip didnt help me much, newcomb was already flipped in my mind (ggs btw Newcomb), sheep...should make me think knights is a wolf but eh. I do think i wanna re read sod cause i feel like a LOT of people gave opinion on sheep alignment, maybe there is something there. I remember newcomb saying sheep flip would break the game open for them

[ladd]

SoD of d1 to be clear


and to not waste a post - rask still seems villagery to me (tho i disagree with wisdom that rask/syn stuff is strictly v/w)

[Wisdom]

Tbh Jan, I think Ladd is a villager here for this. Id be dead I guess otherwise.

To be complete too about Syn, me quoting his "sleep, not sheep" post is me expressing a little ping. Though y, I was still expecting a green flip. Hope it helps solving our slots

If this is what you mean I don't really get it.

[Gemma]

Well I am going to bed now, I had a meeting earlier tonight and it used up most of my brain. But I'm saying this for tomorrow, I thought Gemma's vote on syn was a little skeevy. I have got a note that says she had a town lean on him earlier, if I can read my writing. I want to iso her and see how this happened because I also think she had early townlean on TKON and also put a vote on him. You all can read this as light suss on Gemma. I can't prove nothin' though.

https://media.tenor.com/sjowwjbrBQ4AAAAM/damn-shit.gif

[Gemma]

Tbp rn I feel ur putting a narrative itt with this pal

is this @ bop?

[Wisdom]

If I understood this right the following players didn't have a vote down at EoD1:
Cobalt/Dolby
Monte
Maple
Arctic
Sunbae

Maybe not important, I just needed to write it down for my brain's sake

[Wisdom]

If I understood this right the following players didn't have a vote down at EoD1:
Cobalt/Dolby
Monte
Maple
Arctic
Sunbae

Maybe not important, I just needed to write it down for my brain's sake

No Arctic/Maple voted Syn last minute Visor just missed them.
Monte voted Rask at some point
Cobalt, Sunbae didn't vote, according to Grr's vote history.

[Wisdom]

I won't be around at all after these next few posts and vote. If you think I'm the best vote uh, good luck? Think that's hard to be the case on multiple fronts but I cannot stop you!

Still feel pretty ok with where I've been at. Think I've got a prettttty good swath of the game with reads. Doubt they are all accurate but I'm comfy with the reads and how I got there.

Keep circling back to Rask as my best wolf. Something about calling my reads too consensus while they are getting poo poo'd elsewhere for being too out there just makes me think it was shading and finding a reason to do so that sounds reasonable but hadn't actually been reading my posts or thinking about my reads. I don't think anyone else would call the reads consensus!

Still don't find Jan villagery. Don't see why others do and the only thing I get told when asked is "vibes" which, fair it's day 1, but I counter with "I get vibes that say opposite".

Sunbae can you walk me through why you didn't vote here or during the following 75 minutes you were in thread? You had been active, you had a wolf read.

[Jan]

some slight mech based ramblings with limit facts to back it up:

1. Maple is full of shit.
Okay this one is not surprising or a big twist. Here we go.

Maple coming up with "inverted" after we talked about it d1 (I called maple inverted moon in a conversation) is a very easy spin on things.
Nothing fancy about it. You hear a bit of "lore" and apply it to your situation to sell a wonky narrative.

But why would maple do it? Because maple loves fps more than brits love tea-time.

>rand village action targeting my slot, depending what this means.

Gonna laugh if this ends up being a loud douse.


I will go one further. Maple is more likely a villager (this thought has even more wifom. drink with caution) doing this based on this post.
The first part makes it more believable for wolves that something happened because if it is fps they clearly did not do it.
But it also implies that it is not fully negative.

The only world I will accept where the inverse story is real is exactly a 3p aronist/marker that wins when 50% of the alive players are marked.
Because maple is likely to live for a while and most people would brush a maple claim off (for good reasons).

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

2. Syn was actually an important role.

and this one might be a bad look for me as well but who cares about reputation in a game of werewolf:

Syn changed up his play. enough to "fool" rask early on.

The one big world where my assumption of rask would not v-read syn as w/w is if syn is an important wolf and was somewhat trying to overcome the meta.
Why would you think that?

Part 1:
The flip.
Judgement.
If you don't go into the interpretation of tarot cards which is the most likely one to associate with kp?
Exactly. Nothing screams vigilante more than Judgement.

Part 2:
Syn actually tried to overcome the meta.
I do not think Syn likes being a wolf all that much. Doing the work to overcome the meta needs a wolfchat pushing him and telling him which buttons to push.
That is a lot of work for a snarky one-line poster.

I think the people who are more likely to try and push syn to overcome said meta are ladd, rask and myself.
Not sure if anybody else would know or care enough.

Outside of the flip and syns behavior there is no real proof for this theory but I do believe it to be likely true (I will look at some iso nonsense looking for a smoking gun, but do not expect results from this).

These were my shower thoughts.
Back to your usual programming!

[grr]

Benneh what i meant was I want to see takes on you specifically because I pretty much drew a blank on you and Syn stuff didn't help develop a lean either. (and considering how people talked about you yesterday I assume you are kinda in random-CFD wagon territory for EoD so people should probs have opinions lol.). Your take on Syn is fine, you spent 10 seconds more than me thinking about them then :curtain:


ok im a bit confused after anni i was under the impression that ladd should have some leeway to bury a few villas (sorry ladd dont mean to be snarky but im still a bit irked i was the only one who saw it LOL) before he gets FoSed because it's the right way to play and im trying to adapt things so. um. but like idrc cuz stett is a villager anyway.

anyway after seeing sheep flip and skimming his iso right now im good with ladd being talked about cuz sheep was pinged by his treatment of him which seemed fair. sheeps reads give me a bit more confidence to be mild on wisdom, that's the main thing I got from it, I want to improve my read on Wisdom in general as I usually fail to protect her or sus her when I should so I aim to have a hopefully accurate opinion before EOD. (to be clear he (sheep) also had a big townlean on ender i think not sure what to make of that, and like idk he had a lot of other takes read for yourself but in general i didnt hate what he was focusing on broadly is what im saying rofl)

I still kinda feel like disengaging from talking becuz I dont really have a clue what's what and I tend to get entangled in just talking and then its just a mess lol. how to cure threadhog addiction. gunna look what newcomb said but afair he was just enjoying life so i dont expect to find the holy grail in there.

[Wisdom]

I like those thoughts, although I can never see Rask coaching Syn lol

I don't understand why Maple's fps (if it's fps) would be town indicative?

(Also if someone's a kp wouldn't it be Death? Judgement sounds like an investigative)

[Raskolnikov]

If this is what you mean I don't really get it.

In the world I live in (syn woof, me villa) there is no need for Ladd to be so adamant pushing a villa read on me when 1 I am afk most of the day 2 thread momentum at eod makes me a prime yeet target. W!ladd can just look elsewhere and let the village kill me.
Gemma: yes

[grr]

These are ladds major syn and/or rask posts around eod.

The bolded part really confused me because rasks only reads on syn in the game are:



and




I think as wolf ladd would either ignore it or use those reads as defense and not say the bolded because I don't even think it is true.
(rasks only backtrack is this "it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn" and that is more a backdoor than a backtrack)

If ladd and rask are both wolves then this take is useless.
But if rask is a villager ladd looks better.
I need to look at ladds actual d1 pushes outside of sheep because honestly that is what you judge him on.


to respond to this Jan my gth take just in wolf.ladd worlds is that he would only write this to proect wolf.raskol from being explicitly vigshot after a a syn yeet but occam's razor says in that world wolf.ladd is more likely to make that read at that point to umm, make himself look aligned with v.raskol, if that makes sense.

[ladd]

some slight mech based ramblings with limit facts to back it up:

1. Maple is full of shit.
Okay this one is not surprising or a big twist. Here we go.

Maple coming up with "inverted" after we talked about it d1 (I called maple inverted moon in a conversation) is a very easy spin on things.
Nothing fancy about it. You hear a bit of "lore" and apply it to your situation to sell a wonky narrative.

But why would maple do it? Because maple loves fps more than brits love tea-time.


I will go one further. Maple is more likely a villager (this thought has even more wifom. drink with caution) doing this based on this post.
The first part makes it more believable for wolves that something happened because if it is fps they clearly did not do it.
But it also implies that it is not fully negative.

The only world I will accept where the inverse story is real is exactly a 3p aronist/marker that wins when 50% of the alive players are marked.
Because maple is likely to live for a while and most people would brush a maple claim off (for good reasons).

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

2. Syn was actually an important role.

and this one might be a bad look for me as well but who cares about reputation in a game of werewolf:

Syn changed up his play. enough to "fool" rask early on.

The one big world where my assumption of rask would not v-read syn as w/w is if syn is an important wolf and was somewhat trying to overcome the meta.
Why would you think that?

Part 1:
The flip.
Judgement.
If you don't go into the interpretation of tarot cards which is the most likely one to associate with kp?
Exactly. Nothing screams vigilante more than Judgement.

Part 2:
Syn actually tried to overcome the meta.
I do not think Syn likes being a wolf all that much. Doing the work to overcome the meta needs a wolfchat pushing him and telling him which buttons to push.
That is a lot of work for a snarky one-line poster.

I think the people who are more likely to try and push syn to overcome said meta are ladd, rask and myself.
Not sure if anybody else would know or care enough.

Outside of the flip and syns behavior there is no real proof for this theory but I do believe it to be likely true (I will look at some iso nonsense looking for a smoking gun, but do not expect results from this).

These were my shower thoughts.
Back to your usual programming!

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@ih idk what u are referencing wrt anni but i don't think i have buried anyone this game - be it wolf or villagers lol

[insomnia]

T-1h25 from EoD


yours

:curtain:


i'll re skim syn iso super quick

T-56mins


i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending

ladd since you asked me to quote you

[ladd]

T-1h25 from EoD



T-56mins



ladd since you asked me to quote you

i dont get how i am giving syn the benefit of the doubt at all?

artic was saying syn forming a full worldview instead of just pushing 1 guy was villagery and i answered saying that they were literally doing that (pushing just 1 guy)


again if you read all my EoD, i am obviously cool with syn dying and unless you think i am w/w with rask it's pretty unrealistic thinking i am a wolf IYAM

(wrt the syn iso, i did it. later on when i said every iso i open maple is being top villaread i was talking about syn's reads list where they are on top. idt i posted anything from the iso cause my result was simply "cool with them dying, betweenw range and v range, wouldnt shocked at either flip")

[Wisdom]

In the world I live in (syn woof, me villa) there is no need for Ladd to be so adamant pushing a villa read on me when 1 I am afk most of the day 2 thread momentum at eod makes me a prime yeet target. W!ladd can just look elsewhere and let the village kill me.
Gemma: yes

A
Depends on who else would be wolfing but sure, I see what you mean.

[Jan]

I like those thoughts, although I can never see Rask coaching Syn lol

I don't understand why Maple's fps (if it's fps) would be town indicative?

(Also if someone's a kp wouldn't it be Death? Judgement sounds like an investigative)

All you need is them realized that they need to protect syn and rask giving pointers what to hit for a village read.
I doubt syn would really care otherwise.

The maple read is based on ">rand village action " which a wolf is less likely to add. (you get cred for wolves fucking with you not for villagers fucking with you etc)
Your millage may vary when reading into shower musings.


And Death is possible but Judgement and Justice would be more likely in my book. Those two are more active in the punishment business while death is just a guy on boat guiding your soul.

[insomnia]

can you explain why you wanted to kill jan?

i've said i had the same take, but thinking about it i thought it's pretty clear that a wolf would not aim for that type of chaining thing because all it takes is syn to flip and he's pretty much outed. is jan the type of wolf to just open wolf like that on d1 because he hates losing team mates?

i wish he didn't write all those things out because now he looks ten times worse. and i do think syn might've legit been KP which is why im rolling around with gemma / knights villa rn even though the game would be a bit odd for me if there's not a wolf there atm. but i still haven't re-read

judgement makes sense for wolf KP and last night they didn't show it, although i guess they don't need to have a full vig. i just dont know if visor is the type to associate flavor with roles

[insomnia]

man i have like 7 nulls lmfao

gonna read ender for dya next and then idk what im gonna do

[ladd]

i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending


yea i thought rask was ok in their limited time, i wouldnt kill them

syn i am more cool with dying. i think rask kinda backtracked a little bit on their syn read later in the day too so i wouldnt say syn being a wolf is even outing for rask

4 posts left



for reference this was all i said about syn close eod, i really dont think saying i was giving them the benefit of the doubt is a fair interpretation of the events



if i am alive on d2 i will dive into the strange case of the manti villareads cause i swear every iso i open has manti as top villa and my confusion just keeps increasing lmao

and this is the post i was talking about when i said every iso I opened had manti on top (syn iso oncluded)


insomnia



can you explain why you wanted to kill jan?

i've said i had the same take, but thinking about it i thought it's pretty clear that a wolf would not aim for that type of chaining thing because all it takes is syn to flip and he's pretty much outed. is jan the type of wolf to just open wolf like that on d1 because he hates losing team mates?



i have already explained it, dont think i can really expand on it any more. would you villa read me if i did what jan did at eod? i bet you would be calling for my head lmao

[insomnia]

Syn is in his town meta from what I can tell.
I am kind of too lazy to look the start differences between his game again.
But rask had the same read and I don't think it is wrong. (and I doubt rask would bother to fake that read if w/w because it outs both of them)

stett feels like the most obvious villager in the game. I do not know her wolf game well.

Wisdom - has me pocketed for now. I just know I have rose-coloured glasses on and thus my opinion has little value.


you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.

he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.

I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)

And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.

In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?



this was rasks last take on syn.


because I don't think rask is wrong on syn.

it can be w/w or w/v with rask w.
in either world voting rask is better.

if it is v/v either vote is bad.

im gonna leave this progression unspoilered because im sure it will help people and it's relevant

yeah. idk. the striking thing is that i asked myself why would jan care so hard about syn to the point where he'd rather flip someone else reading him first instead of just voting syn if he felt like it, but apparently he prides himself on reading syn. which then would be a weird move for why he's doing the above

but i still think that progression at EoD is something that wolves would shy away from. if im a wolf with syn in my mind and im considering the above progression, im pretty much fully accepting the fact that once syn flips, i'll also be dead without remorse and out 2/5 of the team. i think if he wanted to, he would do a better job of that, either by pushing somebody else harder or just having a defense that doesn't put him under the spotlight like this

[insomnia]

i have already explained it, dont think i can really expand on it any more. would you villa read me if i did what jan did at eod? i bet you would be calling for my head lmao

i get how it looks bad on surface level. as i said, i was tempted to open up the day just naked voting him, but then i thought a little longer and arrived to the above conclusion

[Jan]

can you explain why you wanted to kill jan?

i've said i had the same take, but thinking about it i thought it's pretty clear that a wolf would not aim for that type of chaining thing because all it takes is syn to flip and he's pretty much outed. is jan the type of wolf to just open wolf like that on d1 because he hates losing team mates?

i wish he didn't write all those things out because now he looks ten times worse. and i do think syn might've legit been KP which is why im rolling around with gemma / knights villa rn even though the game would be a bit odd for me if there's not a wolf there atm. but i still haven't re-read

judgement makes sense for wolf KP and last night they didn't show it, although i guess they don't need to have a full vig. i just dont know if visor is the type to associate flavor with roles

I have bussed 3 teammates in 2 days (in a 4 wolf team) just to get killed in final 5 against 4 actually confirmed villagers.
I have powerwolfed as well.
It depends on what the game needs. I just hate not using a dying wolf to give cred to another wolf (or discredit villagers at least).

[insomnia]

but your question is wrongly placed because you would ~never put yourself in that position in a normal as a wolf

in a mash probably cuz you expect to die and you would rather save your n1 kp and then just accept death or you can weasel out. in here it's harder

but jan is not you and you aren't jan

[ladd]

but your question is wrongly placed because you would ~never put yourself in that position in a normal as a wolf


yes, so would you be villa reading me if I did it?

:curtain:

(its a rethorical question i dont need an answer)



but jan is not you and you aren't jan


sadly, i wish i had his wit

[Jan]

Look guys. It is awkward because I clearly am not with syn, but you also don't want to let a wolf get away with behavior like that.

If you can't make rhyme or reason out of it right now maybe look for other potential wolves and come back to me in 24 hours when your thoughts have settled a bit more.

I don't think any of us are getting a lot out of this.

[ladd]

Look guys. It is awkward because I clearly am not with syn, but you also don't want to let a wolf get away with behavior like that.

If you can't make rhyme or reason out of it right now maybe look for other potential wolves and come back to me in 24 hours when your thoughts have settled a bit more.

I don't think any of us are getting a lot out of this.

its fine, i am over it (your eod i mean)




so who do u wanna kill and/or any spicy thoughts?

[insomnia]

dyachei

this is gonna be a really underwhelming response to you cuz i don't have any examples, but that's because holistically i really don't view ender as wolfy at all, which im surprised myself. actually, i kinda find him pretty villagery overall. i was really expecting to come out of the ISO just telling you im really null on him, but i actually like his posting

why do you have him wolf / want him to die?

[Gemma]

off the cuff thoughts to help me feel a bit more organized

arctic
i feel p good about this v read, not like its strong but like i dont have any doubts about it atm. reminds me of last game, so many words but the thoughts are good

stett
day 1 was fine today feels like they're roleplaying a powerwolf prob like null for the time being

vanta
just made a good post plus a moment day 1 where they made me laugh and said something sort of nai but i wanted to v read it anyway for how casual it was

nebjiamn
sending posts into the void like they dont wanna interact with anyone and idk what it means

sunbae
tbh im still hurt from that time i wrote a 4 page essay about why they were a wolf 100% of the time and everyone ignored it and they endgamed so i don't want to v read them but they seem fine and not slimy i guess, i just dunno what they're really doing or what they think about anything this game

rask
i want him to be a villager more than i think he is one but i also sorta feel like he is one based on his posting today like he's fairly loose and chill when if he were a wolf i feel like he'd feel sorta outed

ladd
idk might just be v after all imma let him do his thing so wolves shoot him, he's putting in the effort at least

jan
tbh v for eod since i don't really believe he's the type of wolf to go full refuge in audacity esp for a slot like syn like is jan really in wolfchat saying guys trust me they'll v read me for this? nah

grr
seems chill i like it but could be stale

ender
made a villagery post around eod

insomnia
idk they don't strike me as the type of player to be like powerwolf-y or whatever type deal to have been taking the approaches they do at points itt but maybe i'm wrong and htye just like being belligerent bc they think it comes across as villagery (it does a bit) they just end up being kinda nulltown at the end of the day ig, though idk i just checked their iso and the syn vote is p damn smooth if a bus

wisdom
keeps v reading other people for things that i do then w reading me for the same thing which seems like standard wisdom, gth v

bop
idk are they even in this game?

maple
i hear they're in a hood

mont
anyone who says they have a read on this slot is lying

knightsofnee
tbh i fell for their (very light) ate yesterday but the "fine clearing dya until lylo" was ??? i should probably try to actually understand their reads esp on jan at some point

dobly
vaguely villagery of them to talk about a random read they had from page 2 despite it having no relevance to anyone, prob would be more so if it weren't an established read

so apparently im light v reading or null reading most everyone to some degree which seems problematic

good v reads:
arctic

semi good v reads:
jan
wisdom
ender
insom
rask
vanta

approximately fine i guess:
grr
sunbae
ladd

and then everyone else is ~somewhere

where the wolves

[Wisdom]

I still think Jan's town tbh, I like his oomph
(And he hasn't been awkward interacting with like he's been the last two games I've seen him wolf)

[insomnia]

ladd

reads on benneh / sunbae?

[Gemma]

If I understood this right the following players didn't have a vote down at EoD1:
Cobalt/Dolby
Monte
Maple
Arctic
Sunbae

Maybe not important, I just needed to write it down for my brain's sake

huh how did arctic not have a vote down

[insomnia]

My current preferences for votes, btw, are:

The duo of old susses:
Knights
Cobalt

The OMGUS duo:
Sunbae
Benneh

The other two who I haven't explained and idk if I want to atm:
Arctic
Colonel Bop

EnderWiggin

how serious were you about sunbae / benneh? can you explain them today?

also, atm i don't think colonel / arctic holds any wolves, but it'd be interesting to see your thought process cuz the reads are so anti-consensus that it'd be easy to see if you're villaging

[Gemma]

nah they were voting syn smh wisdom

[Gemma]

2. Syn was actually an important role.

and this one might be a bad look for me as well but who cares about reputation in a game of werewolf:

Syn changed up his play. enough to "fool" rask early on.

The one big world where my assumption of rask would not v-read syn as w/w is if syn is an important wolf and was somewhat trying to overcome the meta.
Why would you think that?

Part 1:
The flip.
Judgement.
If you don't go into the interpretation of tarot cards which is the most likely one to associate with kp?
Exactly. Nothing screams vigilante more than Judgement.

Part 2:
Syn actually tried to overcome the meta.
I do not think Syn likes being a wolf all that much. Doing the work to overcome the meta needs a wolfchat pushing him and telling him which buttons to push.
That is a lot of work for a snarky one-line poster.

I think the people who are more likely to try and push syn to overcome said meta are ladd, rask and myself.
Not sure if anybody else would know or care enough.

Outside of the flip and syns behavior there is no real proof for this theory but I do believe it to be likely true (I will look at some iso nonsense looking for a smoking gun, but do not expect results from this).

These were my shower thoughts.
Back to your usual programming!

the world where u post this as a wolf is highly amusing to me

[Jan]

its fine, i am over it (your eod i mean)




so who do u wanna kill and/or any spicy thoughts?

villager? but can't fully lock it in
dyachei
knights

watchlist
Neb
Sunbae
C0balt (now Dolby)


With syn or really not with syn?
Raskolnikov
Ladd

Meow?
Maple

What the fuck is up with that?
Gemma
EnderWiggin
Wisdom
Montmorency

The people not on this list are people I am unlikely to consider today at all. (not a lot tbh)
I would not be surprised by 1-2 wolves in the watchlist tbh but I don't want to actively look into it for the next 24 hours.

I felt like I had a good grip on this game halfway through d1 but I lost most confidence in it.

Gemma and mont are slots I have no grasp on.
Wisdom I had as villa early but basically lost all confidence.
Ender similar to Widom. Mostly because so many people disagreed with my take and I don't know if I should doubledown or make a 180°.

[Jan]

the world where u post this as a wolf is highly amusing to me

I wish. Nothing more fun than rubbing your plays into other people's faces without them realizing it.

[insomnia]

Vote: nebjiamn

voting someone you didn't remember any posts from or anything villagery from seemed to work for eod1, keeping the $trat$ up

im basically looking for him to show he's having at least 10% fun and not upset because he randed wilf. some thoughts would be nice too cuz i think he's in an interesting spot

[insomnia]

vvv
grr
stett
arctic

very likely v
colonel lubriderm

very special tier of hoping it's 2 villas but it's kinda hard to stick with this without just straight up flipping them*
gemma
knightsofneeee

gth villa
jan
vanta black
Raskolnikov
enderwiggin
dyachei

null
dolby
wisdom
sunbae
benneh
Montmorency
maple

meh
ladd

*this feeling would dissuade if we keep doing good in terms of wolf flips. if we end up missing a ton, i'd revisit there, but def not for next 2-3 days

[Gemma]

Gemma and mont are slots I have no grasp on.

here i'll help

i don't bus

ur welcome for the free v read

[Gemma]

I wish. Nothing more fun than rubbing your plays into other people's faces without them realizing it.

i will cackle with glee postgame if its true

[Gemma]

sure why not

Vote: neb

[Wisdom]

nah they were voting syn smh wisdom

Read my literal next post fam :3 I just followed Visor's tally!

[Wisdom]

I kinda forgot Benneh exists. He's been out of my scope most of the game. (So have Insomnia tho, but wagons are fun)

Vote: Neb

[insomnia]

if i were to simplify my thoughts around ladd, cuz according to the TOP PHILOSOPHY, the truth is simple and doesn't require a lot of words

ladd, this game, has felt to me like he took every. single. opportunity. to poke at a villager for surface level reasons that i just think he'd never bring up if he genuinely thought about the game

if ladd is here i wanna ask if he thinks this is a fair description of him. examples im thinking of: sheep, jan, gemma (though this one's harder to not give him some cred for).

the actual spicy reads he had that i'd 100% villa read him for, he just backed away from as fast as he started them and he didn't go back / is not prodding there at the moment. benneh is one name that comes to mind. also they have a dynamic where they both take pride over their reads on each other (or at least i know for sure ladd thinks benneh is a top 2 reader of him) and i don't remember them trying to read each other much (other than ladd's push that i give 0 cred for cuz it vanished into thin air. i dont get how ladd is not focusing on sunbae / benneh here but maybe im unfair /shrug). i find it really odd benneh didn't mention his ladd read when there were a few people pushing him

sunbae is really on his own island with anti-consensus reads but he doesn't seem to care a ton. idk how to interpret that, i just know i'd give him 0 cred for anything at this point in time. for anyone villa reading him, if your reasons revolve around TOAN or things of that nature, then just drop it. i think it's wolfier for him if his tone sounds good, but admittedly this is how i perceive him

[Wisdom]

im heading in to work and am gonna be in a data center with no outbound internet access basically all day, not sure if ill be able to make EOD

will do my best to pop in on a break if possible and make a relevant vote as needed but gona stay on ender for now

id really prefer to not go sheep if that matters to anyone

I do think him being busy is genuine and NAI though but I don't mind pushing him a bit.

[grr]

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@ih idk what u are referencing wrt anni but i don't think i have buried anyone this game - be it wolf or villagers lol

I was just referencing the general idea that you should be like, allowed to lead in peace, before you are scrutinized. You haven't buried anyone I agree, but if we had yeeted sheep that day, if I don't misremember your posts, I would think that lowkey qualifies. Burying is maybe also like, a bad term. I think it's easier to use for you cause you just call someone wolfy and they get wagoned to death, not to anything you are trying to do intentionally generally (at least if you're villa). hehe



I have done Newcomb injustice in my last comment, he has more serious thoughts than I thought he had. I just didnt see them live yesterday (like I completely missed the post he had on knights for example) I just saw the more casual posts that also pinged me lol.

Gist of it was he had a tangible wolfcase against knights that I do understand based on the 3 posts he quoted. (but he called it a 60% thing or something)
Then a lukewarm suspicion of ladd and Sunbae, that he clearly wasn't willing to commit to d1.
And an agreement that Arctic FoSing Maple is probably warranted.

I think that sums it up. I don't know what to do with that information. It leaves me with the feeling that the responsible thing to do here is to keep solving on my own because just sheeping ~any of that~ is probably gonna make him roll his eyes in his grave.

(and ftr I am kind of "ignoring" maple as I got a bit irritated and I hoped and still hope others kinda solve the slot for me, I have had thots but i am just perceiving their posts in peripheral vision basically. I'm fine trying to give a read later on if that becomes necessary. I think they triggered a wolftell for generally how they phrase their posts for me, but that feels more like the kinda thing I'd just snipe in a turbo. but nya. wolfy hedging is villagery for me you're welcome.)

[grr]

vvv
grr
stett
arctic

very likely v
colonel lubriderm

very special tier of hoping it's 2 villas but it's kinda hard to stick with this without just straight up flipping them*
gemma
knightsofneeee

gth villa
jan
vanta black
Raskolnikov
enderwiggin
dyachei

null
dolby
wisdom
sunbae
benneh
Montmorency
maple

meh
ladd

*this feeling would dissuade if we keep doing good in terms of wolf flips. if we end up missing a ton, i'd revisit there, but def not for next 2-3 days

btw i am pretty sure dis guy has been putting me on top of his v-list to increase his survivability and i find it hilarious and love him for it. (this is not a wolfread btw, in fact i kind of townlean it becuz he's been so shameless about it, just wanted to put it out here to share my amusement lmao)

[ladd]

if ladd is here i wanna ask if he thinks this is a fair description of him. examples im thinking of: sheep, jan, gemma (though this one's harder to not give him some cred for).


you are basically asking me if me being a wolf is a fair description of my play so obviously my answer will be no lol

i think i have given everyone i have pushed the benefit of the doubt, moreso than when i am a wolf

wont answer any further reads on me from you unless you have questions, since you fully cleared yourself and i dont wanna waste time (this is why i havent been answering to your read on me btw didistetter, i'll answer questions but i wont waste time enganging with the read otherwise)



the actual spicy reads he had that i'd 100% villa read him for, he just backed away from as fast as he started them and he didn't go back / is not prodding there at the moment. benneh is one name that comes to mind. also they have a dynamic where they both take pride over their reads on each other (or at least i know for sure ladd thinks benneh is a top 2 reader of him) and i don't remember them trying to read each other much (other than ladd's push that i give 0 cred for cuz it vanished into thin air. i dont get how ladd is not focusing on sunbae / benneh here but maybe im unfair /shrug). i find it really odd benneh didn't mention his ladd read when there were a few people pushing him

sunbae is really on his own island with anti-consensus reads but he doesn't seem to care a ton. idk how to interpret that, i just know i'd give him 0 cred for anything at this point in time. for anyone villa reading him, if your reasons revolve around TOAN or things of that nature, then just drop it. i think it's wolfier for him if his tone sounds good, but admittedly this is how i perceive him

my reads (without looking back) on them is that i wouldnt be shocked if either is a wolf

i thought sunbae had some villagery stuff d1 but he is def not in my top v reads. benneh hasnt really got into the game yet afaict, i entered today thinking that he has good wolf equity but i am also 100% willing to hear him out and 180 this read (wolfy hedge eheh)



fwiw i think your reads list is p accurate minus me

[insomnia]

btw i am pretty sure dis guy has been putting me on top of his v-list to increase his survivability and i find it hilarious and love him for it. (this is not a wolfread btw, in fact i kind of townlean it becuz he's been so shameless about it, just wanted to put it out here to share my amusement lmao)

wat

no, i just think you're 99% villa

im already semi-cleared for my vote on the wilf. the wonders if you let me live past d1... i doubt im dying for the next 3 days to a lunch

[ladd]

I was just referencing the general idea that you should be like, allowed to lead in peace, before you are scrutinized. You haven't buried anyone I agree, but if we had yeeted sheep that day, if I don't misremember your posts, I would think that lowkey qualifies. Burying is maybe also like, a bad term. I think it's easier to use for you cause you just call someone wolfy and they get wagoned to death, not to anything you are trying to do intentionally generally (at least if you're villa). hehe


would you believe me if i told you half the reason i ended on sheep is cause I wanted to be off wagon?

[grr]

ladd

reads on benneh / sunbae?

my view of wolf.benneh is that he does in theory enjoy wolfing and would enjoy it specifically if he randed wolf with his besties. so I kinda think that would bleed into thread by seeing a lotta happy energy fun posts if they were wolves TOGETHER at least (unless he aims to specifically manipulate this unpairing but i also feel like sacrificing having fun in thread just for me and maybe dya to unpair them is nothing that would be worth it to him).

and the follow up from that unpairing is for me is that they are probably gonna have somewhat insightful reads on each other (i think they lean to be both decently accurate there). this is the lazy take. the hard take is for me to have original opinions. umm. ask me later. or dont ask me at all preferably. :curtain:

[ladd]

dyachei could you expand on your ender read? why do you wolfread him besides the syn flip?

[dyachei]

dyachei

this is gonna be a really underwhelming response to you cuz i don't have any examples, but that's because holistically i really don't view ender as wolfy at all, which im surprised myself. actually, i kinda find him pretty villagery overall. i was really expecting to come out of the ISO just telling you im really null on him, but i actually like his posting

why do you have him wolf / want him to die?


dyachei could you expand on your ender read? why do you wolfread him besides the syn flip?

I have him as possible wolf because his play was meh yesterday for the most part (might be a me problem - we clash historically) and because the syn flip looks bad for him imo.

[grr]

would you believe me if i told you half the reason i ended on sheep is cause I wanted to be off wagon?


sure

vote:sheepsaysmeep


i am still most interested on knights/sheep alignment of all the players itg

I am busy until like -2/3 hours from eod so i'll see u then barring some pop ins


man i cant shake the feeling that sheep is just posting to post at times

in all their pop ins they generally just answer/address the most recent thing, feels like they have no broad of thought at all


like in their last pop in they repeated their ender villa read that they had explained already and they answered someone asking why didistetter is a villager thats like the easiest thing in the world for a wolf to latch onto cause they are super obvious


now this consolidate stuff rings hollow


vote:sheep

time to have some fun

Mostly the latter 2 relevant as they have been close to EoD.

ladd to be honest, and knowing that you are aware of your threadpull and regularly very carefully phrase your posts to limit it, when you actually don't want to be followed.

I'm gonna go with no, I wouldn't believe it. (which makes it kind of confusing to me why you ask in the first place -.-)

[grr]

would you believe me if i told you half the reason i ended on sheep is cause I wanted to be off wagon?

maybe i can believe the half the reason part if I squint hard enough :P

[grr]

Wisdom you said you vote Vanta because everyone had something towny, which is fine.

Can you explain ummm... I hope 4 names are not too much but benneh, sunbae, maple and montecery for me then?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom you said you vote Vanta because everyone had something towny, which is fine.

Can you explain ummm... I hope 4 names are not too much but benneh, sunbae, maple and montecery for me then?

I forgot about both Mont existing when I wrote that. Ben too, really, but it wouldn't have changed my point.

While it's not worth much, I thought that Benneh in a few bursts of posts (214 to 376 in his iso) varied shitposting with solving in a way that I associate with town PoV, but it's not worth much and doubt it's towny for him specifically.

Maple is mostly a bs read. I liked his talk about getting reversed but when Jan started talking about it I kinda changed my mind, doing mech stuff to mislead is exactly what I expect from w!Maple.

Sunbae just sounds pure.

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Rask

Why, what is this on my face? Egg? Mmm. Nice and salty.

(I read back overnight and I'm gonna say ~probably Knights is just town and I'm an idiot.)

Just catching up now. Long day. Plus got like no sleep last night so if I sound insane it's because I actually am.

I'm gonna try reading and vibing and see how long until I pass out.

[EnderWiggin]

EnderWiggin

how serious were you about sunbae / benneh? can you explain them today?

also, atm i don't think colonel / arctic holds any wolves, but it'd be interesting to see your thought process cuz the reads are so anti-consensus that it'd be easy to see if you're villaging

Sunbae and Benneh? Kinda?

Both had weird time reading.

Caveat: I haven't caught up since EOD so I reserve right to change my thoughts depending on how they've acted today but:

1. Sunbae
Basically shaded me and created my wagon without voting me, then when I called out how bogus the reasoning was they were like "But I didn't vote you :surprisepikachu:!!" Which is a over-dramatisation of what happened but the shade was bad enough the whole brushing it off felt actively scummy.

2. Benneh
Cheerleader central. Hadn't said anything but as soon as Sunbae articulated a kinda good looking if a bit hollow shade on me they were like "YES I was thinking the same thingggg". Which felt like actively opportunistic.

I am realising typing this out that the two of them don't feel paired in this way. Both just felt opportunistic. But caveat is that I definitely feel sensitive about how I end up being in contention D1 on the Org no matter what. So I know my reaction is biased. Would welcome sanitised looks at what I'm pointing out.

Re: Arctic and Bop

Arctic is... kinda a bad read. I feel bad typing it out.

But we have (Somewhat often?) vibed when we've randed v/v. Now, not 100% so it's not a smoking gun but I felt sus. There were also some posts that I felt were performative but I'll have to come back and find them.

Bop was because they were making posts that were implying serious thought about other people's PR status and they seemed to be shitposty when it seemed like the thread was ~trying to get some solving done. I remember thinking after EOD that the sus I had there was probably wrong because I liked the EOD, but that was the reason I mentioned them there.

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Rask

Why, what is this on my face? Egg? Mmm. Nice and salty.

(I read back overnight and I'm gonna say ~probably Knights is just town and I'm an idiot.)

Just catching up now. Long day. Plus got like no sleep last night so if I sound insane it's because I actually am.

I'm gonna try reading and vibing and see how long until I pass out.

hmm yes. I am gonna poop itt too and start a cw to Benneh (take that shade friendo)

fr I am going to do some work now

[EnderWiggin]

insomnia

For the above.

[EnderWiggin]

hmm yes. I am gonna poop itt too and start a cw to Benneh (take that shade friendo)

fr I am going to do some work now

I was taught that peepee poopoo was the way to win at mafia.

[EnderWiggin]

Omg Dolby replaced in.

Now I am hype

[EnderWiggin]

ender. reason: what (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857923&viewfull=1#post2053857923) (just for this post ngl lol)

Eh. It felt like we had a nice tussle at EOD and then third mystery wagon gave me jeepers.

I was wrong, so fair sus.

[Raskolnikov]

fuck I hate this site. each time I wanna do something more than a shit one liner, I loose it like a boomer.

[Dolby]

Omg Dolby replaced in.

Now I am hype

I read your sequence on like page 4 and kinda think you're wolfing for it but I also am at just before post 400 still

[EnderWiggin]

I read your sequence on like page 4 and kinda think you're wolfing for it but I also am at just before post 400 still

:(

Talking into the void is sad I agree.

[Dolby]

:(

Talking into the void is sad I agree.

Well the problem is like

you have one take on knights/dya and EVERY take you have following that within that sequence is townreading or scumreading people based on if they agree with the take that you had on knights/dya

It's incredibly reactive and even at post 200 I expect more nuance? Like, I disagreed with Knights take but thought he was village for things later in the thread, in that sequence there wasn't really anything at that level of analysis.

Hopefully your posting looks better the deeper I get into thread

[EnderWiggin]

ender has 15 posts in a row and this is the only towny one

The whole sequence is just level 1 reactive all deriving from a single read he has: that knights early read on dya is bad. No part of the process is related to anything BUT that.

This is like, all of p#200 through p#215

bro are you wolfing

I literally have 3 entire reads in that sequence that have 0 to do with the Knights read.

Also I was right on Sheep.

Bro are you wolfing?

[Dolby]

I literally have 3 entire reads in that sequence that have 0 to do with the Knights read.

Also I was right on Sheep.

Bro are you wolfing?

maybe, I replaced C0balt who you were sussing for townlocking sheep