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EnderWiggin
08-09-2024, 17:06
Well the problem is like
you have one take on knights/dya and EVERY take you have following that within that sequence is townreading or scumreading people based on if they agree with the take that you had on knights/dya
It's incredibly reactive and even at post 200 I expect more nuance? Like, I disagreed with Knights take but thought he was village for things later in the thread, in that sequence there wasn't really anything at that level of analysis.
Hopefully your posting looks better the deeper I get into thread
I townread Sundae for a call out of Newcomb's thread wolfiness
I scumread Cobalt for a weird read on Sheep re: Locktowning Stett.
I townread Stett for their opener.
All of the above was in the 200-215 range.
Also Sunbae (Townread at the time) didn't agree with me on Knights from memory.
EnderWiggin
08-09-2024, 17:07
maybe, I replaced C0balt who you were sussing for townlocking sheep
I somehow didn't properly cognize this beyond "Dolby in the game!"
Well that's a sad turn of events.
EnderWiggin
08-09-2024, 17:09
I'm keepin' catching up.
Depression.
I'm keepin' catching up.
Depression.
same, I'm all the way to 397
EnderWiggin
08-09-2024, 17:15
I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw
I probably agree with this.
But I hate it. :/
Vote: Maple
Ender want to make a read on me off of this?
I haven't liked Maple's earlier game posts and they are way to high up in Syn's reads list
EnderWiggin
08-09-2024, 17:18
Vote: Maple
Ender want to make a read on me off of this?
I haven't liked Maple's earlier game posts and they are way to high up in Syn's reads list
Any specific posts you can point me at? I honestly don't have a good grasp on Maple as a whole.
EnderWiggin
08-09-2024, 17:22
Oh I haven't said this but Monty's EOD was pretty towny of him IMO. Some of the D2 start also feels a lot like the game I ML'd him when we were both town, and I like to think I learn from mishammering =P
Any specific posts you can point me at? I honestly don't have a good grasp on Maple as a whole.
Truth be told, no. I havent even read Maple's full ISO. However, the posts that Maple had that I've read so far have been pretty empty and besides saying "sorry about the rand" in a way I took as nonserious, were generally not fully game related. I wouldn't be townreading them on their own. The main reason I call out Maple specifically is that Dya and Gemma at least had stuff in the thread. I wouldn't be townlocking them either but they at least have stuff in the thread. Syn places all three in his top tier and it's just like... why. I feel that the way Syn did that was elevating a teammate rather than TMIing a villager cause like, he could have put Stett or Grr up in that tier instead yaknow
town:
newcomb
maple
dyachei
gemma
idk fine i guess:
nebjiamn
didistetter
sunbae
grr
insomnia
c0balt
i can't recall a single post/no opinion:
arctic
vanta black
theknightsofneeee
why (diet version):
enderwiggin
colonellubriderm
why:
raskolnikov
wisdom
jan
sheepsaysmeep
are hally and montmorency actually playing this game or are they in the player list for the lulz
didistetter
08-09-2024, 17:24
I have no idea what game you are talking about.
My role was changed from [tarot card] to Reverse [tarot card]. I am now an inverted card. It is unlikely that wolves would use a negative action on me because *literally why would they*, so my presumption is some villager inverted me and that *something* is gonna happen to me. I do not know specifically what the mechanics at play here are.
For more information, check out the Wikipedia page for tarot reading.
Maple
Sorry, thought I was clear but ig this is why posting when you wake up at 2am is a mistake :wowee:
In visor’s recent secret game on MU, where you endgamed as villager, mafia had a “crab spy” which had the ability of “once per game you may target a player and reverse the effect of their role (if possible) or sabotage the role.”
That’s immediately where my brain went when you claimed inverted, so it just kinda startled me it wasn’t even a thought for you, but maybe I’m weird and remember maf stuff too long, which is entirely possible. I assumed you should have a level of memory and awareness of it, which might inform your reaction here.
Vanta Black sorry for being confusing: BM = bad manners, I def didn’t contextualize the post enough since it was mostly directed at maple, but I realize that was inconsiderate towards thread as a whole.
Reading mu pregame was more to get a sense of the hosts style and typical roles to make sure he wasn’t a massive fan of like… godfathers and death tailors
It was a one shot ability in the game I’m referencing, and if it is a real ability in this game that permanently “inverts” a role, I’d assume it’s one shot here too. So by “burnt their inverse” I meant, used up a one shot ability (if it even exists here)
nebjiamn idk how that ability worked out in practice before, sorry, hopefully the above clarifies enough?
ack #1437 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858274&viewfull=1#post2053858274) Jan
Feels like a weird fps and I struggle to see town motivation for just putting fake info in thread, but. Acknowledged
didistetter
08-09-2024, 17:26
Oh I haven't said this but Monty's EOD was pretty towny of him IMO. Some of the D2 start also feels a lot like the game I ML'd him when we were both town, and I like to think I learn from mishammering =P
explain pls?
EnderWiggin
08-09-2024, 17:31
explain pls?
I remember him mentioning the Syn wagon looked good and he didn't want to go Knights. (Who was a major alternate wagon.) That doesn't feel like someone who is partnered unless he was gonna bus, which he didn't.
Also his unvote when Rask was 4 and Syn JUST got put to 3, to make it 3/3/3 also doesn't feel partnered. Esp with him not revoting to push a different option.
didistetter
08-09-2024, 17:42
I remember him mentioning the Syn wagon looked good and he didn't want to go Knights. (Who was a major alternate wagon.) That doesn't feel like someone who is partnered unless he was gonna bus, which he didn't.
Also his unvote when Rask was 4 and Syn JUST got put to 3, to make it 3/3/3 also doesn't feel partnered. Esp with him not revoting to push a different option.
mmmmmm
why do you consider saying a wagon looks good but avoiding it unpartnered? felt like avoiding the wagon while trying to distance to me.
i actually really hated the unvote, its something ive seen a *lot* from maf recently with contentious wagons. they dont want to join the wagon on partner b/c their previous approach to the slot doesn't justify it, and it would risk getting called out as a busvote, so they unvote the cw as light distancing.
i think insomn voting and making it 3/3/3 would def be easy to anticipate from wolves that it put syn at major risk, b/c knights and rask (if town) could self pres there, and i/dya had previously indicated interest in the wagon, so it could easily build, which it did. both knights and i almost instantly voted syn after insomn made it a viable option.
i don't really buy either of these as pros for mont
grr can i hear why rask is in that townpile for you?
he's like
giga viably paired with syn imo.
curious what you're thinking to the contrary?
i actually tr dya off eod stuff. i agree the show post felt potentially cred grabby, but they ditched voting syn to vote on the same wagon as syn, despite sheep not having a real chance at going over
that feels like kinda an uninformed progression?
honestly it just read it and it felt like a rush gth godread that you just wanna do cuz you're in a good mood and dont really wanna play serious mafia (he said he was like, on a beach which kinda fits with that). and then when he was pointed towards stuff pointing into other direction he seemed p. honest in the way he backpedaled, like he just acknowledged he missed something and moved on.
maybe its not a slamdunk v read and i probably sound tonally more excited about this then is warranted but thats my take on it. the fact that he is apparently a known "syn godreader" or whatever also makes me feel like, he'd maybe more careful in... not associating immediately? like idk this playerlist is kinda scary and if he's just yolo-lol-v-reading his partner like that with all these big heads around i have mad respect for the carefreeness rofl.
didistetter
also. the unpairing bop did between rask/jan feels fine. remind me that I believed that later if it becomes necessary.
I dont know what an inverter does btw. I will look it up later ig.
I wanna talk about Sunbae for a bit. I do read his posts and i feel like the way he has absorbing the v-read on me is like more a clinched-teeth kinda deal than him actually *love* doing it, becuz well its hard to explain i guess he just like, keeps bringing my name up as a contentious slot that needs to be cleared. This doesn't really match with how the thread is reading me. From what i have seen arctic, stett, insomnia, ladd have been all putting me in "pure" tiers of their reads lists. i assume they are not all wolves with me, so whose reads is sunbae exactly mistrusting enough that he needs to dig into that regularly. (and thats just the alive players, both dead villas also v-read me, well ig newcomb didnt v-read me but his last thoughts were has no teammates or something thats a v-read. if im a wolf im proud to have fooled newcomb ngl)
That kinda started yesterday but let me outline with one example from today:
catching up I was at something like knight/sheep/Maple/Jan/Grrr as immediate POE but like I am prolly going to start over considering my record so far lol. Jan and Grrr being somhow ego reads (and since I am villa I can totally see Jan pushing a counter wagon on me at EOD). Grrr vote record stinks (he also literrally voted me for reading him in good faith lol, prolly sponging Sunbae too but) and he have had some of the most LAMIST post itg so far, but i dunno, his posts are pure. Might still be worth looking into more iyam.
I am gonna have more time toDay too so dw, u will get plenty of thoughts from me :p
Wait let me reread Grrr if the votes are bad one sec
Sunbae's reaction to me being sussed.
Sunbae stett is great :2thumbsup:
if you mean my thoughts on your 0-1 tier, benneh is nowhere near a TR for me. the rest i agree with.
if you're asking what my 0-1 tier would look like:
grr
ColonelLubriderm
Insomnia
Arctic
dyachei
Theknightsofneeee
Ok can you break down Grr for me? I'd love to be able to lock that one in
Sunbae's reaction to me being towncored.
To me it reads more like he loved the first thing and does *not* love the second thing becuz there is like some "hip hip hooray" energy I feel behind the first reaction here.
sunbae can't actually read me btw which is fine that's why i am reading him by how he is dealing with other people reading me, because I do know that he does respect others filling in gaps a lot and he is, from what i know, completely happy to sponge reads on people he just can't sort.
benneh said in one post of sunbae is kinda stubborn when collaborating it's a wolf sign. This is the vibes I'm getting. A wolf who is starting to have trouble not getting his team boxed in.
Also while sunbae benneh and dya are reading each other in mysterious ways, Newcomb seemed unenthused by sunbae's explanations (for both of them as I remember), and so am I. I feel like there is likely TMI reading/pocketing or maybe partnery reading going on.
I laughed at bop n1inning vanta. The original post by Vanta also made me giggle so I understand it and will pretend it's a great read (its probably kinda mildly v).
ngl i dont care at all about raskol sussing me seems just kinda doing his own thing and not being aware of much and just being kinda oblivious about that half the table has townlocked me which is probably more towny than it is wolfy lol. (this is just a mild read I just kinda like the idea of riling him up even further now)
Also. In my first post today I had a comment about dyachei that I asked for feedback on because it was kind of a personality/meta take or however you wanna call it and I am a bit surprised no one took that and kinda, told me what they think of it.
completely elitist ping selection: Arctic insomnia (if ur not getting pinged i either dont know u or im scared of u (in this game xD))
Vote: Sunbae
I'm also gonna vote here cuz why not when I think that.
I forgot Enderwiggins is in the game, thanks for reminding me of that fact I will do nothing with. toodles.
if i were to simplify my thoughts around ladd, cuz according to the TOP PHILOSOPHY, the truth is simple and doesn't require a lot of words
ladd, this game, has felt to me like he took every. single. opportunity. to poke at a villager for surface level reasons that i just think he'd never bring up if he genuinely thought about the game
if ladd is here i wanna ask if he thinks this is a fair description of him. examples im thinking of: sheep, jan, gemma (though this one's harder to not give him some cred for).
the actual spicy reads he had that i'd 100% villa read him for, he just backed away from as fast as he started them and he didn't go back / is not prodding there at the moment. benneh is one name that comes to mind. also they have a dynamic where they both take pride over their reads on each other (or at least i know for sure ladd thinks benneh is a top 2 reader of him) and i don't remember them trying to read each other much (other than ladd's push that i give 0 cred for cuz it vanished into thin air. i dont get how ladd is not focusing on sunbae / benneh here but maybe im unfair /shrug). i find it really odd benneh didn't mention his ladd read when there were a few people pushing him
sunbae is really on his own island with anti-consensus reads but he doesn't seem to care a ton. idk how to interpret that, i just know i'd give him 0 cred for anything at this point in time. for anyone villa reading him, if your reasons revolve around TOAN or things of that nature, then just drop it. i think it's wolfier for him if his tone sounds good, but admittedly this is how i perceive him
blah you just wrote a few sentences on why im a villager and then didnt get to the right conclusionnnnnnnnnnn
I can't help myself it's time to talk about me! I'm a polarized player if you know what to look for because I'm doing two totally different things when I village or wolf. It's why people like Visor just snap me off. Most people try to read me through a lens of "is she making logical cases and consistent arguments? Is the tone good? Is there fire?" and like, you're just gonna struggle if that's the case. The tone is gonna be fine as a wolf, I'm going to have fire usually because my brain won't let me not care/try hard, and the arguments/cases/defenses I put out are going to be mostly sound because I'm trying hard to make them be mostly sound. Thats why people think it's hard to read me! But it's not if you just know what to look for. As a wolf I'm full of agenda and every single thing I'm doing has a purpose. Whether it's to get in the right thread position (towney but not in a way where people wonder why im not dead in four days!), getting credit for future flip, defending partners, getting the thread in the right vibe to make wolfing easier (zomg everyones so villagery! mechanics twisted hunting! everyone take it easy we dont need to dig through stuff we're doing well as is! things like that), etc. When I village I'm just kind of doing my own thing, out on an island, making my reads, trying to get people to listen to me a bit (and then getting mildly flustered when nobody does), all over the place, and sometimes things just dont make sense because I'm exploring options or making mental mistakes or jumped from point a to point d and missed something along the way etc. I've joked before that people find me more villagery when I wolf and it's because I do things people find villagery as a wolf and just do things that help me solve the game as a villager (note: i am not saying people always find me villagery as a wolf or anything, just like making a more often general statement etc).
So in this game I've made hard, consistent reads I believe in. They've been on an island, people don't really agree with me for the most part but I just keep them because they are real reads and not things I'm trying to get thread position for. I don't really care much about what people have me as outside of when two people are saying opposite things about me and finding me wolfy for them (knights/ender, rask calling me consensusy and others asking me wtf im doing) which is objectively funny (and understandable! different people have different things they find wolfy!) I care zero about future positioning (i didnt even vote, got distracted by reading through stuff and bouncing posts back and forth before i left and forgot to). I'm just existing as I am and have zero attempts to throw weight around or adjust the gameflow or anything really.
But this is always the fun part of these things (and why I inevitably end up talking about it every game!): I can say all these factual statements and nobody can really believe them because we're in the game and it's impossible to take them at face value while its going on (and post game people don't really care enough to go back and check because so much more interesting thigns happened and everyones exhausted anyways). Like from my pov I am an obvious villager (like, legit obvious villager not the funny meme one I say about myself to make benneh laugh in turbos). Alas, who can believe me when I could be lying :(
Ok that's that but I'm glad I got to do it
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 17:59
not voting toDay
1. dyachei > they feel like their usual villa. reads, reevals, visible frustration for being sussed for lolsies. Not sure them trying to tie me up with Syn at SOD is AI, will see what they make of it. voted Syn
2. Arctic, Just feel villa, determined pushing his reads, (some of them I actually noded along - coucou Mapoule), punted a wolf
3. Didistetter. first game with them (outside recent mash), feels good tonally, solvey all around, coming with original and usefull hindsights/perspectives (Ladd/Benneh on top of my head) that help solving imo
prolly just villagers too
8. Ladd > allready posted enough about him I guess. I think if he was wolfing with Syn I'd be dead. not in the upper tier because #thefear
10. Gemma much more content than the game they woofed here earlier this year. detrimental to getting Syn yeeted.
13. insomnia prolly villaging too. I was afraid me clearing him for microreasons D1 was dumb since I generally have him villa faster (Bennehs game we played in may at MU being an instance, I had him lock villa D1), but I dunno, he sounds like solving villa!insom with a dose of "I am getting D1ed in every mash" ptsd
true nulls
4. Vanta Black. can go either way. I am, dunno how to phrase it correctly so excuse me if it hurts, getting a bit bored at the "I am an overwhelmed noob" attitude ( particularly because I've seen it as either alignment, on various sites) (take that shade Vanta, with love)
5. nebjiamn. Think benneh hasn't started playing. Noted an interesting post about how to read Sunbae, with a town lean on Sunbae, which helps. (tier are unordered but he is the null I feel the best with Sunbae)
6. Sunbae, prolly villaging. Lilked their stance on dya. Felt townie and based. (yes I am a sucker for pockety post lol, can't help it) Liked their reaction to me confusing them with sheep and expressing a sus. He isn't on the above tier because I feel he is still lacking some solving effort (for Sunbae I mean, sorry to have you in high regard, I know it's annoying to be expected a delivery every other game) and also #thefear2 (sorry I still remember that small game from 2 years ago u did us good friendo)
21. C0balt (now Dolby). really null. nothing to say (didn't notice Cobalt posting, just people giving him a day pass for irl reasons; Dolby not ketchup; pending)
trending down nulls
11. grr people say they are pure and villagery. Still didn't like their votes on Newcomb and me and the reasoning behind them (Newcomb not having a solve 10 hours in and me reading him in good faith in their clash with Maple lol. Like he posted a lot of stuff but he chooses this reason to cast his final vote... riiighht). Didn't like most of their lamist posts
12. EnderWiggin lol openwolfing as usual (add to that dude rands wolf more often that I eat cheese and baguettes)
16. ColonelLubriderm need to read more. But disliked their opening and their push on me. Well people say this is villa!Bop for the most part but I don't like it still. Prolly worth a full ISO before EOD2.
19. Montmorency null. But I noticed he tryed to pocket me, which feels "unusual" to say the least. Nothing damning but prolly needs to produce more content for me to get there
14. Wisdom (<3) Not sure how to say it but I think they have tryed to misrep me multiple time already
- when they talked loudly about me not wanting to rand wolf this game - lmao as if they were tones of peeps willing to woof in this village, come on - but surprisingly never told the thread I promised to kill them immediatly too in that world
- when they talked about my stance on Bop
- when they exchanged with Jan about what I'd do wolfing with Syn (like it's dumb to think I actually know what I would do in the first place. depends of opponents, his thread position, mine, general game plan etc... I mean I can post science fiction to shade people too)
> They aren't lower because I have a bad record with them and they have their very special way of producing reads. But like, I have a bad taste on my mouth.
immediate POE
9. Jan, allready posted about him. Not convinced about their EOD posts and their explanations. His PR post is so fucking wolfy I won't write an essay about it but yeah
18. Maple. Working on small pings, lacking global solving. inverted what. See artic's ISO for details. He does match what I remember from villa!him tonally but it is dumb for such a player. Feels performative (somebody with more Manti xp tells me if that's AI)
20. Theknightsofneeee Bad entrance, meh follow up, noded along when cased by Newcomb. Tunneled on Jan (they aren't prolly with them so I am wrong somewhere but it's my read aorn, help me getting there)
These are prolly dumb, lacking, but that's the business state rn. I could use town cases on my POE and tell me why me villa reading some folks feels off. Sorry some of them are ego reads but I have been lacking time D1 and couldn't sponged all the thread (need to threadcamp for that, skill issue)
watching something thank a post where someone else votes you hurts more than i thought it would
down with the thank feature
we can add wolfy for being stubborn and wolfy for having no impact/strong thoughts to the funny "two people call me wolfy for opposite things" list
"if ladd were a wolf id be dead" is a very interesting take that im gonna keep in mind when i reread eod, rask
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 18:06
what's the vc rn?
didistetter
08-09-2024, 18:08
Gemma what about my play today reads as powerwolfy to you?
i'd like you to unpack that and explain it out a bit pls, cause it kinda feels like a random pot shot, so im curious what the thoughts are behind it
Vote: Dolby :pop2:
Sunbae so unfortunatley the tldr of why i tr grr is: meta. i've played with him a fair amount and he's pretty stilted and frozen as a wolf. the stream of consciousness and overexplaining and relative highposting here is all pretty far out of his scumrange, and there's a tonal purity he just really hasnt been able to replicate well as scum before.
I can pull up posts and walk through them if you need me to, but, everyone who is familiar with grr is towncoring him, so, that's p significant here
(also this post at eod just felt very loltown) #1205 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858038&viewfull=1#post2053858038)
mmmmmm
why do you consider saying a wagon looks good but avoiding it unpartnered? felt like avoiding the wagon while trying to distance to me.
i actually really hated the unvote, its something ive seen a *lot* from maf recently with contentious wagons. they dont want to join the wagon on partner b/c their previous approach to the slot doesn't justify it, and it would risk getting called out as a busvote, so they unvote the cw as light distancing.
i think insomn voting and making it 3/3/3 would def be easy to anticipate from wolves that it put syn at major risk, b/c knights and rask (if town) could self pres there, and i/dya had previously indicated interest in the wagon, so it could easily build, which it did. both knights and i almost instantly voted syn after insomn made it a viable option.
i don't really buy either of these as pros for mont
Hmm, I'm with ender on this one. Like here you're saying it was easy to anticipate the Syn wagon popping up in real time (bleh, missing eods is hard cause you dont get the actual feels of what was going on) but even still monts actions are not really doing anything against it right? Like, he's not ignoring it and hoping it doesn't happen because he talks about it, he's not dissuading from the wagon because he's calling it the pure, if he's anticipating it like you said he's not getting on early for credit nor staying off other wagons entirely, I just don't see an agenda here and think it makes more sense as villager uninformed eod posting
Gemma what about my play today reads as powerwolfy to you?
i'd like you to unpack that and explain it out a bit pls, cause it kinda feels like a random pot shot, so im curious what the thoughts are behind it
Vote: Dolby :pop2:
Sunbae so unfortunatley the tldr of why i tr grr is: meta. i've played with him a fair amount and he's pretty stilted and frozen as a wolf. the stream of consciousness and overexplaining and relative highposting here is all pretty far out of his scumrange, and there's a tonal purity he just really hasnt been able to replicate well as scum before.
I can pull up posts and walk through them if you need me to, but, everyone who is familiar with grr is towncoring him, so, that's p significant here
(also this post at eod just felt very loltown) #1205 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858038&viewfull=1#post2053858038)
hey meta is good no need for unfortunate. makes it harder to explain but im cool with rolling with it
didistetter
08-09-2024, 18:11
what's the vc rn?
Maple (2) Ladd, Dolby
Nebjiamn (2) Gemma, Wisdom
Enderwiggin (1) Nebjiamn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Raskolnikov (1) Enderwiggin
Sunbae (1) Grr
Dolby (1) Didistetter
Not voting (10) Insomnia, Arctic, Maple, Jan, dyachei, ColonelLubriderm, Raskolnikov, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency
didistetter
08-09-2024, 18:15
Hmm, I'm with ender on this one. Like here you're saying it was easy to anticipate the Syn wagon popping up in real time (bleh, missing eods is hard cause you dont get the actual feels of what was going on) but even still monts actions are not really doing anything against it right? Like, he's not ignoring it and hoping it doesn't happen because he talks about it, he's not dissuading from the wagon because he's calling it the pure, if he's anticipating it like you said he's not getting on early for credit nor staying off other wagons entirely, I just don't see an agenda here and think it makes more sense as villager uninformed eod posting
?
but that's exactly what he did tho
he unvoted rask as syn wagon was regaining traction, and then stayed unvoted.
Mont's entire VH from D1:
Montmorency votes Raskolnikov p#1170 ?4
Montmorency unvotes Raskolnikov p#1187 ?3
thats it.
he made rask top wagon, and then when people took issue with it and pushed elsewhere, he just hopped off and didn't push anything
i truly dont see how that reads as uninformed villy
Man sometimes I swear everyone just pretends they know how to play this game and is really just throwing darts at a dartboard for their reads.
:wall:
I mean, yeah! thats 100% what i do lmao
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 18:21
wats the good word friends
?
but that's exactly what he did tho
he unvoted rask as syn wagon was regaining traction, and then stayed unvoted.
Mont's entire VH from D1:
Montmorency votes Raskolnikov p#1170 ?4
Montmorency unvotes Raskolnikov p#1187 ?3
thats it.
he made rask top wagon, and then when people took issue with it and pushed elsewhere, he just hopped off and didn't push anything
i truly dont see how that reads as uninformed villy
Let me try rephrase cause I think that didn't get explained properly:
I interpreted your post as saying it was easy to anticipate that the Syn wagon was going to happen so we should not give any credit for the syn wagon is pure post Mont made. I was saying if Mont was anticipating that it was going to happen like you suggested he didn't really do anything to get credit for it by getting on early and didn't just avoid other wagons entirely. He hopped on Rask and then hopped off. I just don't think you can dismiss positive points (basically calling the Syn wagon best) because you think it was easy to anticipate while also not pointing out that if he DID anticipate it then he didn't really do anything about it you know? Is this one of those things that makes sense in my head and not in text? I feel like it might be
Kinda vibing with Jans judgement post hmmm
looks at my poe
looks at this post
looks at my poe
looks at this post
surely it cannot be
Think I already commented on this in my Syn ISO post but I just think this post isn't partnered with Wisdom
Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe
looks at this post
looks at my poe
looks at this post
surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.
I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).
Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep
not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.
Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal :curtain:)
Feeling more confident that Rask is town, when I read Syn's ISO I felt that the way he was going after Rask felt like he wasn't in a wolf
oh one more thing. this was a silly read ofc but when i wrote that i meant id absolutely vote him for that as i did register it out of character and considering not much struck me as sus so far and i'd rather not be construed as meaningless w/w jab later on if ladd flips wolf. enjoy the game until I'm back.
I have other reasons to townread grr but those reasons are just "I read their posts, I think it's a villager". I think this take is lol but I kinda am amused by it
fwiw it's either self rambling, or wolfy (like trying to engage with Jan's list without actually speaking about its content, or straight up shading dya/Sunbae)
yeah rask is town
I'm sure it goes without saying, and it *does* go without saying, the concept of the Goldilocks mafia zone should be something that everyone in this lobby grasps. Like, it *literally* goes without saying. There were 2 reads lists which could have been responded to, syn and jan. There were no questions to insom.
Rereading grr's posts for the fifth time, I still don't get it or like it, so she's probably just a wolf.
so this is one of Maple's first reads. I just don't like it, I feel that grr has had micro towny moments already. I feel like grr looks like a pushable person to a wolf despite that
so the early solving on my end was 80% for appearing villagery so i feel like clarifying where im at
the serious reads remain: stett / grr probably ~lock villas. easy reads for anyone to have in top tier imo
off the lower impact (thus far) players, gemma struck me as off in terms of sheer villageriness, i feel like the times i've seen them play they manage to shine through with pure solving process. however, i like their laidback attitude and solo thing they're doing as slightly villagery enough to the point i would probably not wanna kill them today, unless i re-read and i see a howler. i dont remember much
i did feel like arctic making that post was very villagery for ~anyone that would make it, but i guess he's not gone hard enough at anything yet to be confident. not gonna question it for now. and to respond to ih, my read was purely off that post and i don't know his wolfgame and not sure i care to know about it either. there's nobody that can't be caught and im basically in constant re-eval mode
my spicy take that im admittedly stubborn about rn is that newcomb / ladd has a wolf, but i'll see how i feel about it by EoD. it's def not as strong as the other tinfoils i have in normals
anything else im gonna work on in the latter part of the phase, the content thus far didn't do much for me
except for the Arctic take I love this post a lot, particularly calling grr a lock villa. I think that it isn't hard to do that but I think wolves aren't inclined to do that
Why should you have a read on me? I've made like two content posts and have been shitposting mostly
maybe slightly towny reaction to Syn's read list but I might be reaching with this
I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect <thing> out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see <thing> they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days
and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?
I like this a lot actually since I think that Dya was up to this point a bit above null and yeah idk I just like it
The interesting part is that maple has called me a wolf in the last 3 v/v games we played and or something and at some point doing literally 0 course correction starts feeling in bad faith. Like normally you'd think a person would go like "ok i misread that person every game maybe ill just kinda not try this time" but this guy really keeps doing it forever it seems.
and he was also my wolfbuddy in my last wolfgame where basically half the thread called me outed page 1. so maple is very well aware its not that hard.
This is so town. I think that this is not the angle a wolf chooses to go here since it risks just burning some people to them
fry.gif in enders general directi
I think this but also imma be real this is 100% bc I vibe with the read
fwiw im pretty sure maple is a villager too? this is the type of latch on i always find v towny
NOOOOOOOOOO you were doing so good
i don't think it's correct to townread me for the reason of being convoluted but i probably wouldn't have made a post with that flavor of convolution as a wolf
so i dunno. i don't agree with the reason but he's kinda right
I dislike this bc if there's bad reasons, even if he is right, that's kinda just more likely to be a wolf faking a read imo
I want to yeet outside of:
1. dyachei
2. Arctic
3. Didistetter
5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae
7. Raskolnikov
9. Jan
15. Syn
17. Newcomb
18. Maple
21. C0balt
maybe ladd too
if you ask me for raisins and want more than "i feel it in my berrens" then dont ask
want to question why a third of these are here but w/e I'll do it later
is he?
Arctic I feel like you aren't Abominating this game :(. Like IH just feels v and I feel like it should be kinda recognizable? I am also not getting the abomination solving vibes from you
what posts make them seem like an obvious villager then
ok actually my problem with these is different and we will see if it stays like that, but Arctic isn't putting anything out in this section of posts, he's just asking for more elaboration of TRs, which, fair, but I also think just isn't the best look
i strongly disagree
i think he is making a big deal over something that amounts to basically nothing
IH also made a decent point that he constantly misreads him but hasn't tried to course correct here, and also saw his wolfgame where he got outted immediately and doesn't seem to factor that in at all
on the whole i also just think maple's focus has been not good. i think it's easy for a wolf to focus on real time and point out logical inconsistencies but i don't really feel like maple is trying to solve the game or forming a worldview, just kinda nitpicking at random stuff (they were doing this earlier about something else and complaining about the wallposts)
Ok nvm I love this post, this basically summerizes the entirity of my thoughts on Maple v grr, and correctly calls out why Maple's posts just don't feel good at this point in the game.This is the right read for the right reasons at this point in the thread (even if I'm not sure if Arctic has read up to Maple somewhat backing off the right at this point)
main things that stood out to me on catchup
- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights
- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation
- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing
- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol
- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here
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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug
someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them
hmmm, disagree with WHY he's townreading IH though I also gotta to admit that I'm townreading IH for reasons that may be connected to that and maybe IH is posting more because he is not wolf (simply speaking, I believe that IH believes what he's posting, he is putting off a vibe that he is trying to solve in his own way). Not gonna comment on the Benneh and Dya stuff bc I am not backreading or anything that isn't on the same page, quoted, or directly connected to Syn.
If the parts about Rask didn't exist in the section about his Syn read I'd be townreading it because it correctly calls out Syn's reads list as frankly insane and says that the townreads on Syn are weak... but sheeps Rask anyway. I don't think it's the worst, I think the read is mildly towny, but in either direction it gives Arctic wiggle room which detracts from how I feel about him. I do think at this moment that he is more likely town though
I'm gonna be real, I have more PR reads than alignment reads.
maybe towny bc this is such an insane thing to say
ngl these are like my only townreads and there aren't enough to the point where i can feel good about posting a poe/wolf list so im just not gonna bother lol
grr
didistetter
insomnia
colonel
ladd
syn
also i looked at montmorency's post in the signup thread and it wasn't an explicit /in so he might not even know he's in the game. lol. lmao
god I think that outside Syn this list is pure even though I don't really have a ladd take but I hate that he correctly calls out why Syn shouldn't be townread, then just sheeps Rask anyway
V
Didistetter
ladd
V lean
Sunbae
rask
Jan
ColonelLubriderm
maple
Null
Arctic - he sucks at reading me I suck at reading him
Vanta Black
nebjiamn
Gemma but theres a part of me that wants to slot her in as town
grr
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
Newcomb
Montmorency
cobalt
w lean
EnderWiggin - this guy is always a wolf to me
knights
sheep
w
go crazy friendos
there are things I like and dislike about this list, mostly like
I think that townreading Rask while not caring about his Syn "godread", especially if Rask is town, is somethign that wolves are going to avoid doing, I think the only thing I really dislike is Maple up which I don't really see, and Ender/Knights in the same tier. I would like more elaboration from Dya on why Ender is always a wolf to them and I'm gonna be keeping an eye on that since, I do sus Ender to but I don't think that that has been reflected much in their previous posts
Okay so I looked at dya’s ISO (some may be out of order because the iso’ing here is old school idk)
Prior to me calling out dya for not having reads she had given 3 reads, didistetter = v, Jan = v (which I disagreed with) and Ladd = v (also disagreed with at the time, maybe less so now)
So I think it was super fair for me to say you had been low content up to that point.
I do think you’ve done much more since and I align with most of dya’s reads atm except the Jan v read.
But I think the fact that you were so aghast at me wolf reading you feels a bit naïve/silly.
I do like how dya is pushing insomnia, I think that’s the most villagers thing she’s done by far, and she has been active/solved enough now that I can accept I was probably wrong and move on.
(I was going to spoil the quotes but there isn’t an option on quick reply for a spoiler and I don’t want to lose this so sorry)
think this post in general is towny and the two bolded lines are less likely to come from a wolf
I gotta leave now, full solve to come later
Stett, this parts harder for me so can you help?
If the syn wagon was pretty easy to anticipate, do you think any of the voters (especially early ones) were busses?
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 18:29
Kinda vibing with Jans judgement post hmmm
I mean yes, but an ez post for a wolf smh
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 18:32
Wisdom
why did you have syn as a lower tier villa yesterday?
can you explain why you wanted to kill jan?
i've said i had the same take, but thinking about it i thought it's pretty clear that a wolf would not aim for that type of chaining thing because all it takes is syn to flip and he's pretty much outed. is jan the type of wolf to just open wolf like that on d1 because he hates losing team mates?
i wish he didn't write all those things out because now he looks ten times worse. and i do think syn might've legit been KP which is why im rolling around with gemma / knights villa rn even though the game would be a bit odd for me if there's not a wolf there atm. but i still haven't re-read
judgement makes sense for wolf KP and last night they didn't show it, although i guess they don't need to have a full vig. i just dont know if visor is the type to associate flavor with roles
Im gonna push back on this.
Syn did flip and Jan did do the chain and Jan is clearly not outed. So I don't think I agree with your premise here.
I mean yes, but an ez post for a wolf smh
this is bullshit.
wolves don't shower.
this is bullshit.
wolves don't shower.
its true, they dont have opposable thumbs and cant turn the shower on
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 18:36
this is bullshit.
wolves don't shower.
Maybe Jan, but "wolves dont" is a tale as old as me. U know it. (Believe me I will read u in good faith despite my current stance)
ender, if i said "but i didnt even vote you" was a shitpost with a tinge of truth (aka, trying to be funny and silly in the way i said "idk why youre so focused on me about it i just made a read and moved on i wasnt pushing") that apparently didnt land well would that feel less weird for you
Maybe Jan, but "wolves dont" is a tale as old as me. U know it. (Believe me I will read u in good faith despite my current stance)
Odd response.
Good faith as a response to a funny bit feels off.
i hope the wolves arent something like benneh/maple/wisdom cause id be playing very bad if it was
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 18:41
Pls to have confirmed that posting a readlist is a waste of time.
I like how IH is shrugging at me and my reads. True story
Pls to have confirmed that posting a readlist is a waste of time.
I like how IH is shrugging at me and my reads. True story
i read your reads list! and i specifically pointed out the ladd point has gotten into my brain a bit as I reread!
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 18:42
Odd response.
Good faith as a response to a funny bit feels off.
Maybe i did not get the funny bit. Just noticed the bs part
"maybe towny cause this is an insane thing to say" got a real life belly laugh from me
love manti posts
Maybe i did not get the funny bit. Just noticed the bs part
6 words and you stopped reading halfway through. equally flabbergasted and impressed.
Even maple reads the first 6 words.
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 18:47
"maybe towny cause this is an insane thing to say" got a real life belly laugh from me
love manti posts
Is being peeformative AI for him?
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 18:48
Peeformative, wish I could thanks my typos
sup Dolby. glad to play with u again friendo. Yes, have a look at the knight and grr for me pls (I have had them as sr or leans but reevaluating). I might pass out in a few minutes, but will read tmr morning
Raskolnikov btw so far I have both of them as town
Pls to have confirmed that posting a readlist is a waste of time.
I like how IH is shrugging at me and my reads. True story
Your clears are fine. (from your pov)
your poe is meh. (having both knights and myself in your immediate poe is wrong but you know that yourself. manti as poe is fine but also the easiest person to put in there at any point of the game)
your nullpile is huge.
your third wisdom take needs explaining because I think I would be the one shading in the conversation and not wisdom.
bop is villa.
grr is villa
vanta is ~likely villa. (I get overall similar vibes to last game where I wasted an action on Vanta to clear her name)
idk anymore, I haven't even had a chance to really rethink my reads list today. i do think rask looks villagery today so im not interested in voting there. I might cop out and vote montmorency because like...what's he doing?
feels like everyone else is seeing things differently than I am spew wise and Idk if I'm the problem or not so I've just been watching people chat.
i still think jan is villa
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 19:06
Premise: there are four wolves left
inno children(0 wolves)
vanta
stet
villas(0-1 wolves but lean towards 0)
insomnia
arctic
grr
villagy (0-1 wolves lean towards 0 but not as far as above)
sunbae
dya
village side of /shrug(0-1 wolf)
maple*
knights
/shrug(1-2 wolves)
montmore
neb
jan**
rasko**
ender
wolf side of /shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
dolby
gemma
wisdom
*solely listed on the shrug side of villagy because i support my neighbor
** never W/W with each other with how eod 1 went down; yes this is hyperbole but i think it probably over 90% true
***recap of our neighbor chat; it was silence for a while until maple showed up and asked if im a wolf to which i replied with a walterwhiteyouGotMe.gif to which he then replied with a walter white gif with red laser eyes. then we fucked around talking abut league of legends and i was telling him how i used to main warwick and he made a joke about me being a power bottom. the only game related thing we really talked about day 1 was me poking him to come join me on syn and he said sure. I think he followed through, i dont really remember but then there was a bunch of waiting gifs for the reveal followed by me doing a play by play of how i was furiously rubbing my nipples when i saw syn's flip and getting melted coffee oreo ice cream allover my chest to which he replied that it made him hungry. A little later i was ranting on how that silly tryhard Jan got me to go on rasko and i was complaining if he just kept his mouth shut i might be on my way to dvc next phase. Then i started saying how he was a wolf trying to direct the syn wagon to rasko because if rasko flips villa then syn wagon dissipates for days likely because of the god read. then i cooled off thinking its both possible rasko is just a wolf or even rasko is a villa and jan is just a villa. maple asked me aboutmy hard on for gemma and i told him I pretty much hated how she thought syn's opening was villagy over stet's opening where he literally got spew read villa from and maple said how isnt it possible she didnt read stet's post and i said sure, but then why even say anything about syn and that kind of ended there. Then we started up talk this morning when he talked about being reversed or flipped or some shit and i said its probably because there is a 3p and they are magic cards and he got his ass tapped by an icy manipulator. we had a nice chortle, thats about it. i'm pretty much v reading him solely because i enjoy the chat and even if hes a wolf i dont care. You can't have my neighbor
like going into yesterday's elim, i had ladd, rask, and jan all as villa and I think i'm probably wrong on just 1 of them. If I am, it's ladd.
Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.
Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.
The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 19:16
Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.
Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.
The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.
i agree wrt dolby
Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.
Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.
The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.
The crowd boos
Whoever made that one post about thinking it's reasonably likely that Mont is a villager, that post seemed good.
Maybe I'm biased, but I'm not particularly a fan of dolly's catchup so far.
The people I want to see more from more or less haven't given much more yet which is annoying so I'm just gonna give it till I'm on my computer.
dolby's catch up like confused me. It seemed like dolby had some thoughts in real time he abandoned for catch up reads
if yall aint a fan of my catchup vote me then
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 19:21
if yall aint a fan of my catchup vote me then
vote: dolby
if yall aint a fan of my catchup vote me then
im still deciding what to do. I won't be doing as I'm told though
im still deciding what to do. I won't be doing as I'm told though
when you get the chance can you check my list and see how it compares to your thoughts
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 19:31
when you get the chance can you check my list and see how it compares to your thoughts
same list as last night?
same list as last night?
yaya, id made a couple small adjustments since but i dont think dya was around overnight (small adjustments are a tip up for mont and ladd, and then listening to people with vanta on the more towny side)
yaya, id made a couple small adjustments since but i dont think dya was around overnight (small adjustments are a tip up for mont and ladd, and then listening to people with vanta on the more towny side)
any chance you can link or give me a post number?
As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.
Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).
I'm currently operating under the framework of like:
0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb
Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma
Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta
but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some
here you go dya
Wisdom
why did you have syn as a lower tier villa yesterday?
Pretty sure I had him as upper tier PoE but it might depend on when you're talking about.
I tend to read Syn through his mood and he was way too happy/jokey which I read as wolfy. But that burned me last game and he didn't really give me anything else to read him on. Rask reads Syn better than me though (or so I thought, at least) and he town cleared Syn, which I at some point thought made Syn town regardless of Rask's alignment.
I wasn't able to word it properly since I'm on phone so I hope it makes sense. ColonelLubriderm
Premise: there are four wolves left
inno children(0 wolves)
vanta
stet
villas(0-1 wolves but lean towards 0)
insomnia
arctic
grr
villagy (0-1 wolves lean towards 0 but not as far as above)
sunbae
dya
village side of /shrug(0-1 wolf)
maple*
knights
/shrug(1-2 wolves)
montmore
neb
jan**
rasko**
ender
wolf side of /shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
dolby
gemma
wisdom
*solely listed on the shrug side of villagy because i support my neighbor
** never W/W with each other with how eod 1 went down; yes this is hyperbole but i think it probably over 90% true
***recap of our neighbor chat; it was silence for a while until maple showed up and asked if im a wolf to which i replied with a walterwhiteyouGotMe.gif to which he then replied with a walter white gif with red laser eyes. then we fucked around talking abut league of legends and i was telling him how i used to main warwick and he made a joke about me being a power bottom. the only game related thing we really talked about day 1 was me poking him to come join me on syn and he said sure. I think he followed through, i dont really remember but then there was a bunch of waiting gifs for the reveal followed by me doing a play by play of how i was furiously rubbing my nipples when i saw syn's flip and getting melted coffee oreo ice cream allover my chest to which he replied that it made him hungry. A little later i was ranting on how that silly tryhard Jan got me to go on rasko and i was complaining if he just kept his mouth shut i might be on my way to dvc next phase. Then i started saying how he was a wolf trying to direct the syn wagon to rasko because if rasko flips villa then syn wagon dissipates for days likely because of the god read. then i cooled off thinking its both possible rasko is just a wolf or even rasko is a villa and jan is just a villa. maple asked me aboutmy hard on for gemma and i told him I pretty much hated how she thought syn's opening was villagy over stet's opening where he literally got spew read villa from and maple said how isnt it possible she didnt read stet's post and i said sure, but then why even say anything about syn and that kind of ended there. Then we started up talk this morning when he talked about being reversed or flipped or some shit and i said its probably because there is a 3p and they are magic cards and he got his ass tapped by an icy manipulator. we had a nice chortle, thats about it. i'm pretty much v reading him solely because i enjoy the chat and even if hes a wolf i dont care. You can't have my neighbor
I agree with the first 3 tiers in varying degrees. (all of them I have at least as village lean)
I have gemma higher but not confident enough to try and convince anyone of it.
I vibed with her I don't bus reaction towards me. Not because I don't think she busses in general, but because I think she thinks she would not bus in that situation. Again ~vibes.
As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.
Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).
I'm currently operating under the framework of like:
0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb
Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma
Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta
but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some
ok sunbae here goes
I think you're being too lenient with ben. yes, he's playing differently and he's been absent. I have him as basically null for it, i'm not sure how you can have him so high. I agree on insom, stett, and bop
I think there's a chance of gemma or grr being a wolf. I think there could be 2 wolves here and 2 wolves in your last category. I dont think jan/rask/ladd are all wolves together. I think there's at least 1 villa and probably really 2. i dont really know what to do with vanta but I got slight v vibes there
and ender I suck at reading. it's possible, and I think interactions look bad for him.
grr seems to be doing a lot of work but I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time with his posts because there's too much going on in them and I'm not really sure if he believes all of what he's saying
How about we just yeet all wall posters and multi quoters?
Do you think it's possible that I've taken my normal approach to benneh (one where I read him mostly based on whether or not he's showing attempts to position himself for the future) and applied it to a game that isn't normal (appears to be very busy)? So I'm reading a lack of long term approach as villagery but it really just means he's just not been available at all?
Arctic sup?
Raskolnikov you're a butt <3 Stop talking about yourself as if you're a rational and not predictable person :3
rephrase: not "not available" but more just less available than usual (he has been participating and making reads so that came out wrong)
have i ever explicitly told you that you're delightful to play with wisdom?
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 19:58
How about we just yeet all wall posters and multi quoters?
VILLAGY
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 20:04
What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?
Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta
Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn
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I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just a fyi!
this is the post where you had syn in the section of least confident town reads
im also assuming the unlisted are your top tier villa reads yesterday:
ladd, newcomb, ender, rasko, jan
which is kind of spicy for yesterday outside of newcomb;
have i ever explicitly told you that you're delightful to play with wisdom?
Oh, I really don't feel like I'm any fun at all this game, so thanks <3 It means a lot!
You too!
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 20:06
Pretty sure I had him as upper tier PoE but it might depend on when you're talking about.
I tend to read Syn through his mood and he was way too happy/jokey which I read as wolfy. But that burned me last game and he didn't really give me anything else to read him on. Rask reads Syn better than me though (or so I thought, at least) and he town cleared Syn, which I at some point thought made Syn town regardless of Rask's alignment.
I wasn't able to word it properly since I'm on phone so I hope it makes sense. ColonelLubriderm
basically you town read rasko and his godread of syn led him to the lesser village section in your eyes;
i get what your saying
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 20:08
i dont think anyone has been unfun fwiw
same, this game has been really enjoyable for me
this is the post where you had syn in the section of least confident town reads
im also assuming the unlisted are your top tier villa reads yesterday:
ladd, newcomb, ender, rasko, jan
which is kind of spicy for yesterday outside of newcomb;
Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!
Yeah right now I'd say...
Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask
Leaning town
Ender
Ladd
Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett
Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae
Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta
Ok read Monte's iso he's still null.
Vote: Gemma
why tf is everyone fuckign wolfreading me
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 20:18
why tf is everyone fuckign wolfreading me
maple told me in our cbat he peeked you a wolf
Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!
Yeah right now I'd say...
Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask
Leaning town
Ender
Ladd
Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett
Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae
Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta
Colonel was supposed to be top in leaning town (since it's alphabetical) it's just impossible to scroll in quick replies on phone
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 20:19
Colonel was supposed to be top in leaning town (since it's alphabetical) it's just impossible to scroll in quick replies on phone
sometimes the truth is undeniable
didistetter
08-09-2024, 20:24
Ok read Monte's iso he's still null.
Vote: Gemma
Vote: Wisdom
Do you think it's possible that I've taken my normal approach to benneh (one where I read him mostly based on whether or not he's showing attempts to position himself for the future) and applied it to a game that isn't normal (appears to be very busy)? So I'm reading a lack of long term approach as villagery but it really just means he's just not been available at all?
YEs, I do think you're applying a standard that isn't really applicable here. I wouldn't vote there today or anything, but I wouldn't have him high in my reads either.
Vote: Wisdom
Lol Stett :3 Why are you like this?^^
I'm not really sure what you expect from me this game!
insomnia
08-09-2024, 20:45
Im gonna push back on this.
Syn did flip and Jan did do the chain and Jan is clearly not outed. So I don't think I agree with your premise here.
rask viable wagon
syn viable wagon
he says rask should die first for his read on syn. that's a read that both spews rask villager and syn wolf if jan is a wolf. do you agree with this premise?
and all im saying is that a wolf would recognize the really poor positioning and it'd be a tough progression to pull off with TMI
Decided to skip to the first Syn vote since what I've been doing has clearly not been serving me well. I did a quick skim of the page immediately prior and I don't think that Syn becoming as big of a EOD wagon was really visible, but I think Syn was pretty clearly in danger the moment Newcomb said he was a good vote and Stett got on him
Vote: Syn
sure i like that better than knights or gemma
I like this vote a lot
vote syn
fine vote, think this guy is town anyway. Given what Newcomb said earlier, this might as well have been the vote that put Syn at three (largest counterwagon) anyway
wheres syn dog
I think that the thought to call out Syn missing from a readslist (even though he isn't) is towny and shows the there is a level of realness to Bop's sus
god damn it
I was thinking in the shower I didn't like my vote on ender and considering who to vote and dismissing both knights and gemma as counters because knights is always wolfy and so is gemma. So i was like, you know, i'm reconsidering my stance on syn, I'll go vote them because there's not much pressure there. Then i come online and see like 4 votes for syn
vote: syn
I like this only bc it ties syn with the lead wagon gemma
Not quoting them but so far I like Arctic's posts in this stretch, I find them generally agreeable... except for his Syn read
villagery post
so get on Syn then. I also don't get how the post itself is villagery
this post kinda stresses me out but idek if i sr it or not
this is towny
Syn counterwagon eod gives me eepies.
tracking
Aren't you just saying that out of French solidarity? :verycool:
Here's how I see this EOD.
Knights convinced me he's not a good candidate for today.
Syn's wagon seems relatively trustworthy. Syn does have a history of getting outed quick by meta-havers. But the Rask note (I haven't reached it?) is troubling.
Gemma is the player I have the strongest negative opinion on, but it's almost like low-null. I can't think of anything worthy about the voters.
Few thoughts about anyone else.
I'll do the right thing.
I've seen talk of Monty's EOD, rn I think this is a fine Monty post and only leaves him room to vote Gemma
you judge syn on how snarky he is. you know that.
he was dennis the menace in cereal killer as villa and ghandi in saints and sinners as wolf.
I just left my fucking bed reread 3 of his games which I was too lazy to do until you idiots started forming a wagon this late in the day. (and apparently nobody else does the legwork)
And he is not as snarky as he was before but more than he was a wolf. which is frustrating.
I would kill rask before I kill syn because Rask has called syn lock villa somewhat early and I don't think rask as villa would be wrong.
In that weird world the team is syn/rask/wisdom + whoever. I am not confident on that, but it is possible?
While at a PC for a moment:
this take is actually bad. sunbae stopped posting because he was topposter and actually had some fine solving post in the last 24 hours.
both in absolute post as well as in % sunbae is way above ben in content. it is just not a good take.
aight here's the thing
If I ignore the Syn townread I still don't like this beyond, well, he's putting people in front of Syn, but more importantly Ithink his theory doesn't come from a villa
Despite Wisdom's townread of Syn, I feel like two interactions from Syn's direction towards Wisdom just weren't w/w, the stronger one being the one where Syn calls out Wisdom for wanting to mason with Jan. I just don't feel like that's a post that w!Syn is inclined to make if with Wisdom and Jan is v, wolf Syn can bus but if he's a wolf he's going to raise his teammates over others while keeping them in whatever tier feels appropriate for them. tbf I think that Syn hadn't posted in a while by this point but still.
Jan hasn't said much about Rask beforehand so maybe a weird push but ugh
...another meld with ladd (kinda)
also i was about to ask about syn towngames because stett didnt seem impressed but yeah now i dont really know what to do if their play here is between their town and wolfgames
if this continues well its a good look for arctic
vote: raskolnikov
jan said hed do rasko before syn; though i think he meant it more as he'd do neither but if one were to go down that path go rasko first;
so im going rasko first;
i think im at like 72 so im only going to post votes from here out if i feel its neccessary
I gotta read if Jan liked Gemma ugh
Let's try Vote: Rask
tbh I think this is fine for Monty
Vote: Syn
meaningful vote for keeping Syn in contention, good
honestly tinfoiling this as w/w which feels ridiculous but yeah
dunno i still dont really wanna kill rask but maybe id vote syn
I think w Arctic doesn't say this if Rask v because it risks trapping him on Syn
On a brief skim
Rask felt moderately villagery and syn was more null/leaning wolf.
Hmm
I like this but also context that he's lead wagon
okay um
at this point im just gonna consolidate on someone so rask doesnt die
i kinda like sheep being an option again though lol
ok looks like his Rask read was stronger than I thought, still think the sentiment is villa
Vote: Syn
never placed a vote on someone without reading their posts, what an EoD
gonna call this towny
Unvote
I'd have to read Monty's ISO deeper and it doesn't look good that he's unvoting without anyone getting on Rask but I think I'm fine with it? kinda an admission that he isn't fully informed on the game state which is kinda villa. I think if a wolf he just keeps his vote on Rask probably, rather than Abrograte all responsibility with a teammate in danger
Vote: syn
Might still vote Gemma but I like that he actually got off me :3
think this is towny given other options existed
Vote: Syn
boom
vote: Raskolnikov
for now, wagons or something
hate this
vote: Syn
dunno but im just saving rask siw
I think the sequence isn't that great since idk how Arcitc would vote if it was sheep/knights/gemma as CW but I'm fine iwth it
vote: gemma
anyone but Syn huh
vote: syn
hammer
lmao
Hopefully the info
Please remember me Gemma
kinda don't like that Monty didn't vote but it's like, w/e. I think there's a good chance that he was to disconnected from the game to feel like he could place down a good vote.
I feel like if Jan is town more people would have tried to exploit his Rask push to get on Rask but at the same time at EOD the CWs were nowehre near consolidated. Bopolis doesn't count to me in that fwiw
insomnia
08-09-2024, 20:50
rask viable wagon
syn viable wagon
he says rask should die first for his read on syn. that's a read that both spews rask villager and syn wolf if jan is a wolf. do you agree with this premise?
and all im saying is that a wolf would recognize the really poor positioning and it'd be a tough progression to pull off with TMI
sorry
if syn flips there (which had decent odds) then jan is spewed wolf. and jan flipping wolf would in turn spew rask villa is what i meant
sorry
if syn flips there (which had decent odds) then jan is spewed wolf. and jan flipping wolf would in turn spew rask villa is what i meant
how do you feel that only three people followed Jan on it and all of them did it pretty noncomittally (bop, Monty, and Maple)?
I think that that makes one of Jan/Rask more likely to be wolfing
11. grr people say they are pure and villagery. Still didn't like their votes on Newcomb and me and the reasoning behind them (Newcomb not having a solve 10 hours in and me reading him in good faith in their clash with Maple lol. Like he posted a lot of stuff but he chooses this reason to cast his final vote... riiighht). Didn't like most of their lamist posts
didistetter
Inclined to change my mind on Raskol, probs not gonna shield/care about them anymore.
Like I get that you didnt like the read I outed on you it would probably annoy me too and it might even annoy me so much I vote or kill them for it (god knows Nanook has vigged me once for annoying him lmao, and so has Cobalt :D (damn im really annoying now that i think about it lmaoooo)), but the fact that you're not even considering that a take that looks surface level so annoying to you might actually come more likely from a villager becuz why wouldnt a wolf find a singular better reason to vote someone is somewhat starting to get unbelievable, becuz this is not your first mafia game.
By the way "this person is treating me in good faith so they are likely a wolf" is, in some variation (maybe not exactly like that idk don't wanna misrepresent them but Newcomb surely has made readslist where he said people who are to be the most reasonable about him and telling him how they are considering etc. are the most likely wolves, I can probably bring the receipts if anyone seriously questions this LOL), a read that I have seen a lot of veterans apply. it's also rand accurate btw. becuz hey, wolves like to look good. but hey im happy to have ladd tell me he never made a read like this before :curtain:
I tend to not be as slick about it as others but like you dont get to treat me worse than other mafia players just because I am expressing my thoughts in a less palpatable manner when i am basically talking about the same things others do.
dya i had as gut town all game, not because they were super towny but everything they said i was like "yeah town-dya would say this".
except that one post where i definitely had an out of body experience and i'm irked people still havent told me if its like, a normal take for them or anything because I genuinely don't know.
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 21:32
grr i dont care about what Newcomb said about it. Put on my shoes for a second: I give Manti a try and attempt to follow up his process. I get what he is saying before you, think about it, conclude its NaI for both of you (re Maple the fact its what remains mostly, together with his 6 word posts about sheep is actually AI for me).
Then u proceed to wolfread me for it? Like wtf. So do what u want with it, but try charitabke if villa smh.
Jan: thoughts on Dolby willing to make us D2 dome? Fwiw i dont like it. Like narrow vision or smtg. A lot of slots remains to be discussed etc etc
dya i had as gut town all game, not because they were super towny but everything they said i was like "yeah town-dya would say this".
except that one post where i definitely had an out of body experience and i'm irked people still havent told me if its like, a normal take for them or anything because I genuinely don't know.
I dont think its a weird post for dya to make
I am fairly confident they are a villager anyway
Jan: thoughts on Dolby willing to make us D2 dome? Fwiw i dont like it. Like narrow vision or smtg. A lot of slots remains to be discussed etc etc
This is such a narrow and ungenerous interpretation of my post. It's kinda sus
sorry
if syn flips there (which had decent odds) then jan is spewed wolf. and jan flipping wolf would in turn spew rask villa is what i meant
I honestly dont really get why u feel so strongly about it
If all i read was eod, jan would look bad iyam
He defended syn and is clearly not spewed wolf so id say it worked
I just read eod again and what i find strange is how much jan suddenly cares once syn becomes a wagon, like he was pretty chill until the syn wagon and then he goes "ham"
Wisdom why dolby so low? Why gemma?
Maybe i am out of the loop but i thought dolby catch up was fine - tho i dont get your jan read and why that jan post doesnt come from a villagrr. Can you elaborate on that?
Can people explain what they dislike?
grr i dont care about what Newcomb said about it. Put on my shoes for a second: I give Manti a try and attempt to follow up his process. I get what he is saying before you, think about it, conclude its NaI for both of you (re Maple the fact its what remains mostly, together with his 6 word posts about sheep is actually AI for me).
Then u proceed to wolfread me for it? Like wtf. So do what u want with it, but try charitabke if villa smh.
Jan: thoughts on Dolby willing to make us D2 dome? Fwiw i dont like it. Like narrow vision or smtg. A lot of slots remains to be discussed etc etc
I dislike that we already talked about us for quite a while and basically took a break for now to look at other people.
And the moment he gets some heat he directs the attention to us.
I don't believe in domes this early into the game(unless there is mech).
There is a world in which you are a wolf, but we are far away from a sure fire 1on1.
I honestly dont really get why u feel so strongly about it
If all i read was eod, jan would look bad iyam
He defended syn and is clearly not spewed wolf so id say it worked
I just read eod again and what i find strange is how much jan suddenly cares once syn becomes a wagon, like he was pretty chill until the syn wagon and then he goes "ham"
Wisdom why dolby so low? Why gemma?
I was in bed, struggled to fall asleep and thought syn was cleared villager based on tasks take.
It is fine to kill a villager D1. It is not fine to kill a cleared player at any point.
I got out of bad realised it is not as clear and thought going for Rask who had a bad clear has more value.
I didn't even go ham tbh. If I wanted to get Rask killed there I directly appeal to newcomb or stett and sway one of the consensus villas to my side.
And I vote Rask in my initial post and don't wait for bop to vote first.
Maybe i am out of the loop but i thought dolby catch up was fine - tho i dont get your jan read and why that jan post doesnt come from a villagrr. Can you elaborate on that?
Can people explain what they dislike?
I dislike that post because I don't think that Rask and Wisdom are likely Syn teammates, I think that it's a perspecitve that's kinda just ignoring the posting from Syn's direction. Wisdom for example I strongly doubt is a Syn teammate just because I feel that his posts directed against them just aren't posts he specifically makes ata teammate. I also think that it's a very exaggerated read on Syn's town vs wolf play. I dislike that he's using Rask as a shield for Syn, especially since Rask had some popularity as a wagon
I'm also disliking both of them characterizing my post as "wanting them to dome", it was a read on how votes went down at eod1 and is not solid, but it feels like a awful mischaracterization
Actaully reading that again I don't think Jan read my post so that's a criticism towards Rask only
grr i dont care about what Newcomb said about it. Put on my shoes for a second: I give Manti a try and attempt to follow up his process. I get what he is saying before you, think about it, conclude its NaI for both of you (re Maple the fact its what remains mostly, together with his 6 word posts about sheep is actually AI for me).
Then u proceed to wolfread me for it? Like wtf. So do what u want with it, but try charitabke if villa smh.
Jan: thoughts on Dolby willing to make us D2 dome? Fwiw i dont like it. Like narrow vision or smtg. A lot of slots remains to be discussed etc etc
I already said I understand you hate it, that part of it is not what I have an issue with. I am hard pressed to believe that you actually think it raises someones wolf equity. Tell me why. Why do I not find literally ANYTHING else to call wolfy that doesnt irk anyone? Like is that actually your read? that wolf is just being uncharitable to you because wolves are not nice and villagers are nice people or idk.
Do you think wolves just line up at your door and be mean to you so you can have them all nicely lined up? What?
Whatever do ur thing ig it doesnt really matter what I do or say others are gonna solve the game not me rofl.
I dislike that post because I don't think that Rask and Wisdom are likely Syn teammates, I think that it's a perspecitve that's kinda just ignoring the posting from Syn's direction. Wisdom for example I strongly doubt is a Syn teammate just because I feel that his posts directed against them just aren't posts he specifically makes ata teammate. I also think that it's a very exaggerated read on Syn's town vs wolf play. I dislike that he's using Rask as a shield for Syn, especially since Rask had some popularity as a wagon
I'm also disliking both of them characterizing my post as "wanting them to dome", it was a read on how votes went down at eod1 and is not solid, but it feels like a awful mischaracterization
And you think I villa read as slot that is historically dead in the water and try to defend him at Eid, while I am one of his constant wolfreads?
I bury the kid and mock him while he is forced to watch me from dvc.
I am a Teamplayer but if my partner shades me for nonsense reasons then I will not defend them and risk my ass in the process.
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 21:59
This is such a narrow and ungenerous interpretation of my post. It's kinda sus
Hmm no. I read it twice at least. U are affirmative the three of them were non commital and that makes one of us a wolf. I guess u may not wanna us to dome but in that case Id want more work from you i suppose. The finish line of ur train of thoughts pls Dolb
Im going to see deadpool and wolverine
Im pretty sure I'm gonna be able to just big vibe and shitpost this game while the titans of werewolf actually solve shit for me <3
Whatever do ur thing ig it doesnt really matter what I do or say others are gonna solve the game not me rofl.
yes come to the side of righteousness
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:03
afternoon all
ive got a break from work so im gona catch up a bit on EOD/SOD and try to get into the game but feel free to ping me if you wana rt a bit
Hmm no. I read it twice at least. U are affirmative the three of them were non commital and that makes one of us a wolf. I guess u may not wanna us to dome but in that case Id want more work from you i suppose. The finish line of ur train of thoughts pls Dolb
Think it means there's wolves in Maple/Monty(mainly Maple, I'm giving bop a pass) or you or Jan but the trouble with it is that I don't actually know how viable the wagons that weren't you and Syn are, which drastically impacts how I feel about that read. Jan could be a v and you a v and it just didn't attract attention for whatever (wolves wanted Gemma or something like that). That said, it's not something I'm that confident in, definetely not at dome level
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:09
disagree gemma is very niceys
spew from syn seems kinda light but this is the only post that really stands out to me other than the one about newcomb. this just feels like a soft volley of tmi back against a read. ender's sus on gemma doesn't feel warranted enough to really push back on it in this way as w/w cause it feels too transparent imo. this reads more like "i have tmi they're town and ill say it to be right but go ahead and keep sus there" more than anything else
inb4: gemma reads as woof on their iso
Think it means there's wolves in Maple/Monty(mainly Maple, I'm giving bop a pass) or you or Jan but the trouble with it is that I don't actually know how viable the wagons that weren't you and Syn are, which drastically impacts how I feel about that read. Jan could be a v and you a v and it just didn't attract attention for whatever (wolves wanted Gemma or something like that). That said, it's not something I'm that confident in, definetely not at dome level
Plus if 1-2 wolves were not active at Eod or didn't think they could switch without outting then it barely even matters.
Really tough to read into without more clears or dead ppl.
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:12
Mont eod of calling Syn wagon pure, saying doesnt want to vote Knights, voting Rask, then unvoting when its Rask/Syn wagons and being done with eod is villagery I think?
monty's eod read pretty uninformed and transprent to me for someone who joined in late and his meta. i don't have the best read on him (lmao) but i'd rock with him for a day or two just tonally
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 22:13
I already said I understand you hate it, that part of it is not what I have an issue with. I am hard pressed to believe that you actually think it raises someones wolf equity. Tell me why. Why do I not find literally ANYTHING else to call wolfy that doesnt irk anyone? Like is that actually your read? that wolf is just being uncharitable to you because wolves are not nice and villagers are nice people or idk.
Do you think wolves just line up at your door and be mean to you so you can have them all nicely lined up? What?
Whatever do ur thing ig it doesnt really matter what I do or say others are gonna solve the game not me rofl.
Whatever friendo. U dont wanna try.
Ill one last time. I dont care about u being nice or anything (frankly lol at ur post pal, hilarious bruh but ok, ill take it lmao). What is preventing me from tr u is like:
1. U posted a lot of thoughts on various slots
2. U choose this as a sticker.
From my pow its throwing D1. A lot of people think D1 is just banter and shitposting but its really not. From my pow villa!you just threw. So I am wondering why u did that as opposed to say, follow up on ur other reads?
Ill follow the crowd from the time being but the question is there.
I honestly dont really get why u feel so strongly about it
If all i read was eod, jan would look bad iyam
He defended syn and is clearly not spewed wolf so id say it worked
I just read eod again and what i find strange is how much jan suddenly cares once syn becomes a wagon, like he was pretty chill until the syn wagon and then he goes "ham"
Wisdom why dolby so low? Why gemma?
Dolby is mostly a PoE slot right now.
Gemma isn't doing much with her time in thread and it doesn't seem like she have more thoughts than she's sharing if you know what I mean with that.
But also a bit of vanity because I wanna see if I hit a wolf d1 and that'd probably clear me
Kinda feels like Dolby is TMIing me tho
Wisdom I don't think this super strongly but I think your wolf leans are 0/3
Thoughts on that?
Kinda feels like Dolby is TMIing me tho
my read on you is based entirely on the one time I wolfed with Syn and that I like some of your earlier posts
yes come to the side of righteousness
I am not there by choice but because i cant do that much better tho. Idk In my mind everyone here is gonna have better reads than me when I fully try my best so that's just why I think that yaknow. like dolby is a goat, arctic is a goat, inso is a goat, ladd is a goat y'all goats man.
benneh kinda noob but we love him! <3
Wisdom I don't think this super strongly but I think your wolf leans are 0/3
Thoughts on that?
That I'm not super familiar with Gemma or Vanta but I still think they both have wolf equity (unlikely w/w tho). Are you familiar with them?
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 22:18
Maybe i am out of the loop but i thought dolby catch up was fine - tho i dont get your jan read and why that jan post doesnt come from a villagrr. Can you elaborate on that?
Can people explain what they dislike?
i saw it when it was live, i don't need a recap; and alot of the posts seem like that, just a recap
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:18
Kinda feels like Dolby is TMIing me tho
really?
he feels town to me from what i've read so far
i was just gona say i doubt the game is (as) easy (as implied by a wolf death d1) because of that but i kinda dont know if i have a full enough grasp of everything yet to be so declarative of that
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:20
I dislike that post because I don't think that Rask and Wisdom are likely Syn teammates, I think that it's a perspecitve that's kinda just ignoring the posting from Syn's direction. Wisdom for example I strongly doubt is a Syn teammate just because I feel that his posts directed against them just aren't posts he specifically makes ata teammate. I also think that it's a very exaggerated read on Syn's town vs wolf play. I dislike that he's using Rask as a shield for Syn, especially since Rask had some popularity as a wagon
I'm also disliking both of them characterizing my post as "wanting them to dome", it was a read on how votes went down at eod1 and is not solid, but it feels like a awful mischaracterization
Dolby can you link what posts from syn you are talking about re: wisdom? i just scanned his iso and didnt see any but ISOs here kinda suck so i prob missed it
That I'm not super familiar with Gemma or Vanta but I still think they both have wolf equity (unlikely w/w tho). Are you familiar with them?
Not particularly but here's how I feel on them
I only specced Vanta's champs qual but in spec chat I felt like Vanta was wolf pretty much instantly the moment they started posting, I feel like they are notably less stilted here, less artificial. I don't think that their content thus far is unfakeable but yeah (like, I don't understand why one person who I've forgetten literally has Vanta as their top TR but the slot is probably town)
Gemma I think had a good looking EOD but I also didn't like some early posts from them.
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:21
Visor any chance you could put links in the OP to the deaths or SOD/EOD notifications so they're kinda easier to find? pls and ty
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:22
@Dolby (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102066) can you link what posts from syn you are talking about re: wisdom? i just scanned his iso and didnt see any but ISOs here kinda suck so i prob missed it
or were you saying wisdom's posts at syn? the pronouns confused me maybe
ColonelLubriderm
08-09-2024, 22:23
Not particularly but here's how I feel on them
I only specced Vanta's champs qual but in spec chat I felt like Vanta was wolf pretty much instantly the moment they started posting, I feel like they are notably less stilted here, less artificial. I don't think that their content thus far is unfakeable but yeah (like, I don't understand why one person who I've forgetten literally has Vanta as their top TR but the slot is probably town)
Gemma I think had a good looking EOD but I also didn't like some early posts from them.
vanta is the light in the darkness
you can't deny truth
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 22:23
P41 on default settings benneh (25 ppp iirc)
Dolby can you link what posts from syn you are talking about re: wisdom? i just scanned his iso and didnt see any but ISOs here kinda suck so i prob missed it
Yeah it's specifically this
looks at my poe
looks at this post
looks at my poe
looks at this post
surely it cannot be
I think for most people it's a fakeable post to be clear but from my one time wolfing with Syn I think that this is a post that he avoids making about a teammate. I feel like he tried avoiding attacking teammates reads, which this is kinda doing. I also think that this puts him in a awkward position down the line if Wisdom is ever pushed, he kinda has to go for Wisdom (I do not think this necessarily extends to Jan though (subject of the post by Wisdom this is quoting). That's the quick and dirty of it, strongly might be a bit strong, but Rask and Wisdom were basically the two names I came out of Syns ISO feeling that they werent his teammates (ie. from Syn's direction specifically)
theknightsofneeee
08-09-2024, 22:27
Man-standing-up-in-court.jpg
I think dolby is villagery.
also
0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb
Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma
Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta
but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some
I line up with this reads list almost exactly, only slight differences would be i would move arctic down 1 and move wisdom up 1
makes me feel slightly better about sunbae.
Ladd still feels wolfy to me, but i appreciate him pushing jan for my exact reasoning for wolf reading jan.
WRT jan, i super know i could be tunneled here, but i feel way less bad about it because at least 3 people have brought up my exact reasoning for wolf reading you, and while some think it is unlikely to make you a wolf, it makes me more confident that i'm not just full blinders on.
Raskol has been underwhelming for me today.
theknightsofneeee
08-09-2024, 22:29
who did dolby replace in for btw?
somehow i missed that lol
tbh I was heading into day thinking Raskol wasn't with Syn and I wanted to defend Raskol, but the deeper we get into day the less I'm feeling it
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:30
Yeah it's specifically this
I think for most people it's a fakeable post to be clear but from my one time wolfing with Syn I think that this is a post that he avoids making about a teammate. I feel like he tried avoiding attacking teammates reads, which this is kinda doing. I also think that this puts him in a awkward position down the line if Wisdom is ever pushed, he kinda has to go for Wisdom (I do not think this necessarily extends to Jan though (subject of the post by Wisdom this is quoting). That's the quick and dirty of it, strongly might be a bit strong, but Rask and Wisdom were basically the two names I came out of Syns ISO feeling that they werent his teammates (ie. from Syn's direction specifically)
gotcha. makes sense but i honestly didn't even put two and two together what he meant by that post when i read it originally. i don't really agree fwiw cause the post seems more throwaway than attack-y. also i don't feel like wisdom was really in any kind of danger for the second half of your justification to really matter here? she was pretty town read yesterday and i doubt that post makes much of a dent to syn's mindset about how he can or can't adjust his read on wisdom on days 2/3/4
if we pretended syn didn't die (or flipped v) what would your read on wisdom be here for their own posting?
who did dolby replace in for btw?
somehow i missed that lol
c0balt
gotcha. makes sense but i honestly didn't even put two and two together what he meant by that post when i read it originally. i don't really agree fwiw cause the post seems more throwaway than attack-y. also i don't feel like wisdom was really in any kind of danger for the second half of your justification to really matter here? she was pretty town read yesterday and i doubt that post makes much of a dent to syn's mindset about how he can or can't adjust his read on wisdom on days 2/3/4
if we pretended syn didn't die (or flipped v) what would your read on wisdom be here for their own posting?
probably town but less so. I don't like their Syn read but their posts have jabbed well into my mind even though I disagree with their ultimate direction so far. I haven't read a good part of the thread between 600-1000
theknightsofneeee
08-09-2024, 22:32
c0balt
oh.
well i had cobalt as villagery already so welcome to villa core dolby
I won't be around at all after these next few posts and vote. If you think I'm the best vote uh, good luck? Think that's hard to be the case on multiple fronts but I cannot stop you!
Still feel pretty ok with where I've been at. Think I've got a prettttty good swath of the game with reads. Doubt they are all accurate but I'm comfy with the reads and how I got there.
Keep circling back to Rask as my best wolf. Something about calling my reads too consensus while they are getting poo poo'd elsewhere for being too out there just makes me think it was shading and finding a reason to do so that sounds reasonable but hadn't actually been reading my posts or thinking about my reads. I don't think anyone else would call the reads consensus!
Still don't find Jan villagery. Don't see why others do and the only thing I get told when asked is "vibes" which, fair it's day 1, but I counter with "I get vibes that say opposite".
So like, ok. Let me try to articulate something here:
During this little back and forth I keep getting this ... feeling ... that you're not entirely giving the benefit of the doubt here and trying to see things from my POV and use that to help shape your reads too. I was hoping for a bit of a meld here where I give some thoughts, you not necessarily agree entirely with them but see little things in there that make you think of some other things, and springboard off of that to get some good observational reads back at me. Instead what I've got the feeling of is that you're just kind of responding to me. Like I'm saying "here is my perspective on this player and I'm trying to explain it so you can see it too and give me your input" but you're mostly just saying "meh, idk I mean I see it but I also don't". I want to break them down a bit further:
In this one, at no point did you actually say "hmm, that's interesting. Let me go back and read Dya and see if I see what you're saying". It's just semantics about the word obvious and a bit of a dismissal about the concept as a whole because everyone can seem solvey. Which, FAIR! Everyone can seem solvey but I refuse to let that make me go "wellll good woofs can seem solvey so im not gonna give villa points for people doing that". I'm just gonna call solvey people villagers and if a wolf wants to try to keep up with it all game and fool me then good luck its a long game. And if one fools me for a bit thats fine if its because of that!
It's the same with the Benneh/Neb one! I mean I don't think I'm a goat tier Benneh reader but I do have a lot of experience with Benneh and I think my view on that is worth at least exploring a bit too but it was once again a bit of a macro conceptual retort of "those kinds of forward-thinking wolf moves are extremely difficult to correctly sus out on D1 with no information. They're usually a little more obvious in retrospect with some flips." but you didn't go back and even consider looking at Bennehs posts through those lenses and see if it made anything stand out to you.
And like, even with the Manti one which I think was very helpful for me to start chewing on, it was again a Macro general manti thing and not anything specific about the posts themselves you know?
And like, don't get me wrong I don't think it was anything like "omg i need to reevaluate my whole world view with this new info" but it WAS a very direct attempt to meld with you that I think could have brought at least something new to the table (which would chain react into me finding something new and pew pew pew kinda having us go off) and I don't really feel you had much interest in doing so past just responding to direct posts with macro conceptual responses that sure, make sense, but wasn't reallllly what I was hoping for you know?
And I'm not trying to pout or anything but I find it concerning because this is the type of thing I was expecting to really click with both of us and I feel like it's at least slightly more likely that your respond like this as a wolf than a villager?
Raskolnikov
I was voting Sunbae. Sunbae posted the first thing where he called you his "best wolf" then the second thing. I kinda thought the second thing was villagery/appealy enough that I wanted to support him (the irony is that he never actually voted you (I didnt notice that due to lack of Votecounts)). I respect Sunbae's reads a lot, I saw your ISO could *potentially be a wolf iso* (which is honestly all you get d1 from me, I mean people voted Syn without having read any of their posts so lol).
So that's like, all there is to it. Does that in any way help u with anything? I mean your read on me does not really matter to the game a lot (probably) but I dont mind answering if you have questions. I have sorted people as throwers before myself, but I don't recall selling that read it as a wolfread becuz I found it hard to believe that myself, so your take on me pinged me in that regard (it would have pinged me less if you just said to policy me and dont think im a wolf, in case you were wondering if I was looking for something different in comparison.)
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:34
i agree on dolby knights
can you talk to me about your ladd and jan reads cause they're two ppl i probly ned to sort out a bit more. from a pure game state pov with my other reads so far it feels like they aren't paired but there could def be a wolf in them and if there is i feel like it'd be more likely to be ladd than jan. i liked ladd's posting for most of yesterday though so idk game feels hard fmpov
this wouldnt be the first time he fooled me tbf but i also kinda wana take pride in being the sole v!ladd reader when ppl read him wrong lol
might be retracting my retraction from Rasko townread idk. I was looking for something different and maybe that was an overspecific expectation.
theknightsofneeee
08-09-2024, 22:35
i agree on dolby knights
can you talk to me about your ladd and jan reads cause they're two ppl i probly ned to sort out a bit more. from a pure game state pov with my other reads so far it feels like they aren't paired but there could def be a wolf in them and if there is i feel like it'd be more likely to be ladd than jan. i liked ladd's posting for most of yesterday though so idk game feels hard fmpov
this wouldnt be the first time he fooled me tbf but i also kinda wana take pride in being the sole v!ladd reader when ppl read him wrong lol
ya i'll make a case on both of them when i get home, its my bday so i'm going out to dinner with family
hopefully i'm not drunk when i get back lol, but if I am i'll do it tomorrow and tag you.
(that being said I voted someone who I believed has wolf equity, and I still think that's like, less throwing than people who do not make use of their vote power at all, I understand Raskols perspective and why he has it tho, i think it's a fine attitude, I just wanted to vote a wolf is all)
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:38
It's the same with the Benneh/Neb one! I mean I don't think I'm a goat tier Benneh reader but I do have a lot of experience with Benneh and I think my view on that is worth at least exploring a bit too but it was once again a bit of a macro conceptual retort of "those kinds of forward-thinking wolf moves are extremely difficult to correctly sus out on D1 with no information. They're usually a little more obvious in retrospect with some flips." but you didn't go back and even consider looking at Bennehs posts through those lenses and see if it made anything stand out to you.
im pocketed
fr tho this is what i was referencing re: collab -- this isn't stubbornness, this is eagerness to work w/ someone and i feel like him prodding newcomb about this read in particular is a good look cause newcomb did not have a particularly hard stance on me either way. iirc he had me as mostly null, but sunbae wanting to engage on that read from newc's nullish pov and feeling frustration from that strikes me as v villagery cause its not juxtaposed to make him look good/make newc look bad/generate a ton of publicity about his read on me.
grr didistetter fwiw
is this game just me getting into a fight with someone every midday becuz i feel kinda weird.
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 22:38
ya i'll make a case on both of them when i get home, its my bday so i'm going out to dinner with family
hopefully i'm not drunk when i get back lol, but if I am i'll do it tomorrow and tag you.
happy bday dude
insomnia
08-09-2024, 22:41
how do you feel that only three people followed Jan on it and all of them did it pretty noncomittally (bop, Monty, and Maple)?
I think that that makes one of Jan/Rask more likely to be wolfing
im not sure im following. the way you put it, i don't see why this needs to point in 1 wolf there and not as a bad sign for the people in the parentheses
Raskolnikov
08-09-2024, 22:49
Raskol has been underwhelming for me today.
who did dolby replace in for btw?
somehow i missed that lol
tbh I was heading into day thinking Raskol wasn't with Syn and I wanted to defend Raskol, but the deeper we get into day the less I'm feeling it
best sequence ever.
Hbday knight lol
Vote: theknightsofneeee :~:cheers::
grr: noted
im pocketed
fr tho this is what i was referencing re: collab -- this isn't stubbornness, this is eagerness to work w/ someone and i feel like him prodding newcomb about this read in particular is a good look cause newcomb did not have a particularly hard stance on me either way. iirc he had me as mostly null, but sunbae wanting to engage on that read from newc's nullish pov and feeling frustration from that strikes me as v villagery cause its not juxtaposed to make him look good/make newc look bad/generate a ton of publicity about his read on me.
grr didistetter fwiw
alright fair enough (this is me saying i dont really get it as it might be too subtle for me but i respect the read and i will probs like, try to get it later. ig maybe i can translate it for my own brain to sunbae trying without agenda which is reasonable). I just don't really get who the wolves are tbh. like newcomb clearly had sunbae on his *mind* without directly advertising it but I do remember he called something villagery then too. lmao.
ok ig it might just be ladd becuz I do think the reasons insomnia FoSes him for are fine, but even if its ladd theres like more lol and if its not ladd then this even more ??? all over the place. maybe I cleared Wisdom too lightly and Dolby I have not given any consideration at all yet. ok actually now that i'm typing this i remember a lot of other names too rip. kinda internally townreading Gemma for, well, liking their tone but I never really articulated that becuz it's maybe less villagery than I think and maple Idk as I said I'd rather not solve personally (also because maple is playing much different to anything I have seen before).
insomnia
08-09-2024, 22:53
ih, i remember you pinging me about something but i forgot to reply
something about dya and a post you made on them at sod, if you want my opinion you're gonna have to quote that post
Want more clarity on soonish:dyachei. reason: specifically for this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857912&viewfull=1#post2053857912). So this kinda reads like "ah im late for the cred" which, is the kinda stuff I and maybe others write a lot as a villa (and less so as wolf cuz im afraid it looks rly silly), however it feels really out of character for them? in my mental image of dya they are not a player who cares about being first or original or whatever because they are super meritocratic. feedback appreciated.
god damn it
I was thinking in the shower I didn't like my vote on ender and considering who to vote and dismissing both knights and gemma as counters because knights is always wolfy and so is gemma. So i was like, you know, i'm reconsidering my stance on syn, I'll go vote them because there's not much pressure there. Then i come online and see like 4 votes for syn
vote: syn
insomnia It's linked here. like, the only post that pinged me in regards to "hmm I wouldn't expect town.dya to post this or can't recall an instance where they ever did" (which is kinda. well, counter-acting the village vibe i had from them all day for the opposite reason.)
I dont just wanna ignore this becuz in the last game i had a similar ping on something cobalt said and i thought hm would v.cobalt ever say this and it was a correct hunch (that being said the stuff from cobalt was like, longer progression so it meant a lot more to me).
I just dont know if the expectations i have about dya are correct at all. (ladd alr. answered that it's not out of character for them)
insomnia
08-09-2024, 23:04
yeah, i think you could be right fwiw
dya's had a lot of micromoments that are uncharacteristic, probably more than i feel with their usual villa game. however, i think the vote is good enough especially if there's a chance syn is the wolf kp that im not really considering them today
they're in a spot where they're hitting villa checkboxes that aren't the hardest to tick so idk how to react though. i guess im just giving benefit of doubt for now, but dya is one of the weaker v's in my list for sure
insomnia
08-09-2024, 23:05
I dont just wanna ignore this becuz in the last game i had a similar ping on something cobalt said and i thought hm would v.cobalt ever say this and it was a correct hunch (that being said the stuff from cobalt was like, longer progression so it meant a lot more to me).
I just dont know if the expectations i have about dya are correct at all. (ladd alr. answered that it's not out of character for them)
maybe it's not out of character, but it's rare i'd say
insomnia
08-09-2024, 23:06
happy birthday knights, lead the lunch on a wolf, i think that's the best gift you could give yourself hehe
Vote: Unvote
Don't know where to go right now. Sunbae kinda makes sad puppy eyes every time I vote him and as I said I kinda dont think benneh/sunbae are paired so i'm like, fine listening to benneh here even when im not sure how convinced I am myself.
Also happy birthday, knights!
didistetter
08-09-2024, 23:12
Lol Stett :3 Why are you like this?^^
I'm not really sure what you expect from me this game!
Wisdom ok well, this response kinda made me want to vote you again but: ill try to explain where i'm at on you and why i have concerns.
first, i ack dolby's point that syn's responses to you look unpairing. im not sure i agree, but it's def something im weighing.
i voted in response to #1581 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858418&viewfull=1#post2053858418) because its a very lvl 1 post i see from scum a lot of: state read, vote off read. just a micro ping that i don't love.
that was more just a catalyst to vote you, b/c your day so far has kinda been gnawing at me.
for the most part, it feels like people are trying to progress the game and solve, and i haven't seen that from you. your reads have a lot of stagnation, your poe has remained largely the same from your initial reads, and it just doesn't feel like you actually have a real stake in solving.
you also have some posts that just like, seem built to get people to like you rather than like your slot, so even tho they arent ai they boost your rapport—for example the
How about we just yeet all wall posters and multi quoters?
post that bop HELL YEAHd. i know its a joke, but its a joe that shades slots that in general this game have been >rand villagery, so it doesn't add anything of solve value but only serves to curry favor.
also, this is probs a bit personally biased, but your play around my slot has been really, really, weird.
i agree i was locktowned too soon d1, but your response to that feels almost petulant?
i know you have more of a background with slots like rask and jan, but placing them in locktown and me in iffy zone just doesnt feel like a genuine read at this point.
it feels more like you want to try to undermine me/intentionally keep lowballing my towniness.
maybe you genuinley just don't townread me. that can be valid, but then it feels odd you haven't used that as an avenue to explore thread given like 90% of the game has called me ic or obvitown at this point. why not explore who might be TMIing townreads? why not try to take a concrete stance on me and push where others might be wrong?
instead it frankly feels more like you dont think i ought to be townread and you dont want to waste a nk on my slot so you try to push me towards a more neutral zone to make me viable as an elim in later days.
i'm probs overthinking it, but. your read stagnation + some micro posts + treatment around my slot just feel really freakin shady. I want to understand you and your slot, so pls show me where i'm misunderstanding if you're town, b/c frankly the vibes just feel slightly off this game
Whatever friendo. U dont wanna try.
Ill one last time. I dont care about u being nice or anything (frankly lol at ur post pal, hilarious bruh but ok, ill take it lmao). What is preventing me from tr u is like:
1. U posted a lot of thoughts on various slots
2. U choose this as a sticker.
From my pow its throwing D1. A lot of people think D1 is just banter and shitposting but its really not. From my pow villa!you just threw. So I am wondering why u did that as opposed to say, follow up on ur other reads?
Ill follow the crowd from the time being but the question is there.
this post felt real btw. not sure if a wolf would be this umm, righteous (not sure if this is the right word) about that. So like, Ig I'm just towning Raskol again and he can read me however he likes, altho its not gonna give him the full solve if he thinks im a wolf hehe. ^^
didistetter
08-09-2024, 23:20
Happy bday knights!!! :flowers:
Tarot Game: Current Votecount
VotesTargetVoters
2Maple Ladd, Dolby
1Wisdom Didistetter
1Jan Theknightsofneeee
1Dolby ColonelLubriderm
1Nebjiamn Gemma
1Enderwiggin Nebjiamn
1Raskolnikov Enderwiggin
1GemmaWisdom
1TheknightsofneeeeRaskolnikov
9Not voting Insomnia, Arctic, Maple, Jan, dyachei, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency, Grr
sick wagons ~:handball:
insomnia
08-09-2024, 23:24
im voting benneh
didistetter
08-09-2024, 23:25
insomnia curious on your thoughts on wisdom, maple, and ladd
im too used to relying on zara to read manti for me and idk you're closest thing to zara in my brain :wizard:
So to the wagonomics experts. if i townlock raskol because I'm just working with that rn, should that give me any additional insights wrt EoD wagons? Who does that make look super bad or super good?
didistetter
08-09-2024, 23:36
k so: wagons that felt interesting to me:
Wagons as of #1170 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858003&viewfull=1#post2053858003)
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Sheepsaysmeep, Ladd, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (2) Newcomb, Dyachei
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Maple
Wagons as of
#1197 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858030&viewfull=1#post2053858030)
Syn (5) Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia, Theknightsofneeee, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Maple
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd
Theknightsofneeee (2) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
Gemma (2) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Sunbae, C0balt/Dolby, Arctic, Montmorency
not rlly sure if maf were likely to be trying to save syn, but mont's unvote and maple's vote on rask both feel a little weird. i dont like the sheep cw, but i doubt maf would stack there to save an afk
i tr grr and bop, so if any wolves on that second rask wagon it'd be jan or maple.
it kinda feels like after gemma and insom swapped to syn there wasnt any other real attempt to shift wagons, but there's a chance wolves might have been inactive at eod so didnt have manpower to save them?
maple's last sec vote felt giga credgrabby lol but. maybe twtbaw, idk
idk but these wagons are probs a good starting point grr
So to the wagonomics experts. if i townlock raskol because I'm just working with that rn, should that give me any additional insights wrt EoD wagons? Who does that make look super bad or super good?
Jan and Maple look bad in that world imo. Maybe Montmorency but I think Monty's unvote at EOD was him just not feeling confident voting anyone. I'm probably the worst person to give you a take on this though bc I still haven't read the full thread and idk how viable knights/gemma wagons were in the last 10 minutes (cause I don't know certain people's reads on them)
didistetter
08-09-2024, 23:37
if rask is town, jan/maple/mont almost always has 1-2 wolves
rest were probs less involved eod, afk, or vanitying/no voting
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 23:38
So to the wagonomics experts. if i townlock raskol because I'm just working with that rn, should that give me any additional insights wrt EoD wagons? Who does that make look super bad or super good?
maple looks worst but i dont really know how much we glean anyway since syn popped up pretty quickly from what i can tell. i doubt wolves were capable of responding to that in any kind of strategic way regardless of rask's alignment
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 23:40
callm e a sucker but im not fully convinced jan is capable of the posting he's doing this game as wolf, including his rask stuff
if there's a wolf in him/ladd i'd lean ladd a lot more (thre isn't a dichotomy there but my brain just kinda broke this down that way from what ive been reading a bit)
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 23:45
idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored
like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me
i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low
and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me
idk but these wagons are probs a good starting point grr
ok i feel like. jan is posting well (and probably just a difference check with ladd or at least one there). I dont know how much credence I SHOULD give that but im absorbing his posts today and i just like his defense ig.
maple idk. i have weird feelings about them they mostly confused me. First by doing more than meming, then by attacking me, then by saying they dont want me killed. I am literally just confused lol i didnt get any of that rofl
montmorencys EoD stances I actually didnt like so much?
benneh called it uninformed earlier I think but I didnt get that too much.
Aren't you just saying that out of French solidarity? :verycool:
Here's how I see this EOD.
Knights convinced me he's not a good candidate for today.
Syn's wagon seems relatively trustworthy. Syn does have a history of getting outed quick by meta-havers. But the Rask note (I haven't reached it?) is troubling.
Gemma is the player I have the strongest negative opinion on, but it's almost like low-null. I can't think of anything worthy about the voters.
Few thoughts about anyone else.
I'll do the right thing.
kinda found that mildly pingy or like, ig just spot on immediately for someone who is just like, arrived to the game late in which case sorry lol
Maybe this take is actually not that sus? now that I think of it feels like something could say who arrive late to a game where akasuki (mu player with a similar reputation for the uninformed, soz about that), gets wagoned. ummm.
I have never heard of either MontMorency nor Syn tbh.
lots of waffling (by me to be clear) -.-
Wisdom ok well, this response kinda made me want to vote you again but: ill try to explain where i'm at on you and why i have concerns.
first, i ack dolby's point that syn's responses to you look unpairing. im not sure i agree, but it's def something im weighing.
i voted in response to #1581 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858418&viewfull=1#post2053858418) because its a very lvl 1 post i see from scum a lot of: state read, vote off read. just a micro ping that i don't love.
that was more just a catalyst to vote you, b/c your day so far has kinda been gnawing at me.
for the most part, it feels like people are trying to progress the game and solve, and i haven't seen that from you. your reads have a lot of stagnation, your poe has remained largely the same from your initial reads, and it just doesn't feel like you actually have a real stake in solving.
you also have some posts that just like, seem built to get people to like you rather than like your slot, so even tho they arent ai they boost your rapport—for example the
post that bop HELL YEAHd. i know its a joke, but its a joe that shades slots that in general this game have been >rand villagery, so it doesn't add anything of solve value but only serves to curry favor.
also, this is probs a bit personally biased, but your play around my slot has been really, really, weird.
i agree i was locktowned too soon d1, but your response to that feels almost petulant?
i know you have more of a background with slots like rask and jan, but placing them in locktown and me in iffy zone just doesnt feel like a genuine read at this point.
it feels more like you want to try to undermine me/intentionally keep lowballing my towniness.
maybe you genuinley just don't townread me. that can be valid, but then it feels odd you haven't used that as an avenue to explore thread given like 90% of the game has called me ic or obvitown at this point. why not explore who might be TMIing townreads? why not try to take a concrete stance on me and push where others might be wrong?
instead it frankly feels more like you dont think i ought to be townread and you dont want to waste a nk on my slot so you try to push me towards a more neutral zone to make me viable as an elim in later days.
i'm probs overthinking it, but. your read stagnation + some micro posts + treatment around my slot just feel really freakin shady. I want to understand you and your slot, so pls show me where i'm misunderstanding if you're town, b/c frankly the vibes just feel slightly off this game
Opening thread before falling asleep was a mistake.
I voted Gemma because I think she’s the most likely to be a wolf. I tried pushing Vanta and Ben before that but exactly 0 things happened so I went back to Gemma.
My PoE is largely the same because I believe in them, the way I solve is getting a PoE through finding town reads then finding things that people in my PoE has done that's town indicative (like Bop) and checking whom I've called town for bad reasons (like Vanta). There are some slots that I've got a lot of experience with and have no clue how to read, so instead I listen to what others says about them and try to form an opinion based on that (like Insomnia).
And then there is you and this is a me problem but you have no idea how hard I analyzed your play in sf1 last year and that is now how I expect you to play as town, which of course isn't fair. It's just bugging me that you blatantly said in your first post that you're not going to play like that and that exact move is what I expect w!you to do. But I recognize that pretty much everyone else town reads you, you solve in a towny way and you have oomph and is probably thread spewed town, so I have no reason to sus you unless you're alive in lategame. I kinda expected you to be nk'd. It still bugs my head though, I'm looking the Stett that went completely bananas in her mission to solve the game every single day and she simply isn't here ^^
But I mean, I'm obviously not playing my all-in game here either. I've mostly been on phone (which I avoid in Champs games if I can) and I struggle to connect with games where most action happens in my sleep and since I can't be here at EoD I can't really influence who dies (or save myself, hence I've been misyeeted on every Org game I've played) so I'm just in my own cloud trying to solve for my own sake, only giving input when I think it's worth anything.
And yeah the wall yeet post was a joke and a reminder because I've had to skip a few posts which always sucks because people are putting in effort into them that I can't comprehend without proper focus.
Sorry if I come off as aggressive, your thoughts are valid and I'm just tired <3 Good night friend, I'll adress any further issues tomorrow.
didistetter
idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored
like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me
i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low
and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me
From what I've seen so far I'm inclined to say Ender is wolfing but I'd have to ISO dive him to have a higher level of confidence
bro aint pocketing me this game
didistetter
08-09-2024, 23:50
Jan and Maple look bad in that world imo. Maybe Montmorency but I think Monty's unvote at EOD was him just not feeling confident voting anyone. I'm probably the worst person to give you a take on this though bc I still haven't read the full thread and idk how viable knights/gemma wagons were in the last 10 minutes (cause I don't know certain people's reads on them)
Knights wagon peaked eod when i voted him in #1110 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857943&viewfull=1#post2053857943)
Vc at the time was
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (3) ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Dyachei
Raskolnikov (1) Grr
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Sunbae (1) Jan
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (5) C0balt, Montmorency, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple
those wagons were at 8:20 tho, so 40 min till eod. rask and sheep counterwagons were main ones with any traction after that point
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 23:52
From what I've seen so far I'm inclined to say Ender is wolfing but I'd have to ISO dive him to have a higher level of confidence
bro aint pocketing me this game
can you talk to me about why, i dont reallyt think i have a good reason but if you have meta considerations then id like to factor that in onmy reread
insomnia
08-09-2024, 23:55
insomnia curious on your thoughts on wisdom, maple, and ladd
im too used to relying on zara to read manti for me and idk you're closest thing to zara in my brain :wizard:
wow, you've actually ruined me with this comment
i've posted all day long about my ladd thoughts so i don't feel like repeating. as for wisdom and maple, they are both PoE for me and like all of my PoE, i just know they have nothing i would view as villagery. with me you either get the variant where I iso 24/7 and have thoughts on everyone, or i just PoE the game and if i see it's a wrong PoE, i just turn up and care more / read more
ik this doesn't help but i'd be lying if i said anything else. just straight up PoE. i've read your maple thoughts earlier and i got the point, but for me it's one of those things that i'd probably like it more only if i already had a wolf read of them based on something else and their posts haven't really stuck to me to where that'd be a thing. as it is, i can't appreciate the point in leaning towards voting him
Knights wagon peaked eod when i voted him in #1110 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857943&viewfull=1#post2053857943)
Vc at the time was
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (3) ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Dyachei
Raskolnikov (1) Grr
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Sunbae (1) Jan
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (5) C0balt, Montmorency, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple
those wagons were at 8:20 tho, so 40 min till eod. rask and sheep counterwagons were main ones with any traction after that point
Preface that these reactiosn are based solely on VCs
think Gemma's vote movement looks. In retro it's a bit weird that insomnia is joining a wagon with Gemma but eh, probably fine. Knights votes look very inno to me. Major sideeye to the EOD Rask voters after grr but I've already talked about that a bit
nebjiamn
08-09-2024, 23:58
btw lowkey, its extremely annoying you guys dont know how to spell enderwiggin and the e at the end is bugging my primate brain can you fix that
iove seen it like 5 times itg and maybe even fdid it myself at some point but it looks SO WRONG (and IS wrong!!!)
it doesnt actually matter but i sound out "ender wi GEN" like the word "again" instead of "enderwiggin" like the word "wiggin" and it is WEIRD
can you talk to me about why, i dont reallyt think i have a good reason but if you have meta considerations then id like to factor that in onmy reread
tbh I saw his first sequence of posts and just thought it was wolfy in the 200-215 area. He criticized me for calling it mostly stemming from a read on Knights/dya, but I got the sense that he was pushing it out without strong conviction
insomnia
08-09-2024, 23:59
why do you wolfread ender, benneh?
insomnia
08-10-2024, 00:03
i guess i can try reading maple's iso when i wake up, stett
i legit have 0 thoughts on my PoE, in that i dont remember their posts. it's a wrong way to go about things but us killing syn d1 kinda got me complacent lol
yeah idk this was gonna be im going to be nice to ladd game but it did feel like he was sussing Jan based on a "theory" (theory jan trying to kill of town.raskol for his wrong read on syn) not so much on, like an actual read on Jan. grmpf.
(i need to check if this actually happened or if ladd did say more about it too, just gth from memory. i shouldnt make posts like this but )
Ok here:
Quote it cause this seems like bs friendo
I told newcomb id dayvig syn mid d1 if given a shot and never villa read syn once
My first thought is jan ngl, the eod felt like he was trying to use a villager with a wrong read (rask) to defend a wolf
Bbl, i just randomly woke up lol
so to be clear I kinda thought the same thing might have happened but also it's an approach I'd ALSO take in villa.Jans shoes. I just feel like Jan overstated that Raskol was leveraging his godread when I dont think that... ever happened?
Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe
looks at this post
looks at my poe
looks at this post
surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.
I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).
Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep
not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.
Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal :curtain:)
this was rasks last take on syn.
because I don't think rask is wrong on syn.
it can be w/w or w/v with rask w.
in either world voting rask is better.
if it is v/v either vote is bad.
So I read that post by Rask and he is clearly adding a caveat and entertaining syn.wolfflips which I wouldn't read as "ok im treating it as a godread and just push Rask", why did you interpret it as such Jan
If I did too I would do the same thing probably but have we read different posts or something?
Jan and ladd have decent odds of being a difference check and I would gth lean ladd being the wolf there because Jan's posts seem a lot harder to make? eh.
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 00:10
why do you wolfread ender, benneh?
its vibes mostly but originated just from stuff that didnt seem sincere to me
my impression of his v games here on the org is he makes more waves and i feel like he's done more drive bys and flurries that read surface level v than real insight. the game with hally as wolf most recently he was limited there in availability like this game, and i misread him but the vibes were still diff imo
yeah idk this was gonna be im going to be nice to ladd game but it did feel like he was sussing Jan based on a "theory" (theory jan trying to kill of town.raskol for his wrong read on syn) not so much on, like an actual read on Jan. grmpf.
(i need to check if this actually happened or if ladd did say more about it too, just gth from memory. i shouldnt make posts like this but )
Ok here:
so to be clear I kinda thought the same thing might have happened but also it's an approach I'd ALSO take in villa.Jans shoes. I just feel like Jan overstated that Raskol was leveraging his godread when I dont think that... ever happened?
So I read that post by Rask and he is clearly adding a caveat and entertaining syn.wolfflips which I wouldn't read as "ok im treating it as a godread and just push Rask", why did you interpret it as such Jan
If I did too I would do the same thing probably but have we read different posts or something?
I disagree because if we assume syn is polarized then even if we cannot 100% lock the read on d1 we should not kill the slot and instead give it a moment.
A little bit of paranoia does not a wolfread make and killing someone wrongly who is polarized is simply a cardinal sin.
I saw the push when I couldn't sleep and panicked.
Jan and ladd have decent odds of being a difference check and I would gth lean ladd being the wolf there because Jan's posts seem a lot harder to make? eh.
why do you think there is a wolf between us?
ben said something similar but he was clear that there was no evidence to it and just his brain doing ben things.
Do you think there is anything that makes ladd and myself unaligned?
Grr you've only like...played turbos and mashes with me. You don't know how I post in normal games and that post wasn't out of character or wolfy at all
Also do you think syn asks about pocketing a partner
didistetter
08-10-2024, 00:18
Knights wagon peaked eod when i voted him in #1110 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857943&viewfull=1#post2053857943)
Vc at the time was
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Syn (3) ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Dyachei
Raskolnikov (1) Grr
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Sunbae (1) Jan
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (5) C0balt, Montmorency, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple
those wagons were at 8:20 tho, so 40 min till eod. rask and sheep counterwagons were main ones with any traction after that point
from there, bop and jan move onto rask, and wagons stall until 8:50, when mont joins them on rask: wagon is now
Theknightsofneeee (4) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Gemma, Didistetter
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Syn (2) Newcomb, Dyachei
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (4) C0balt, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple
10 min till eod, knights, gemma, and rask are all tied wagons.
Gemma moves from knights to syn, dya then jumps off syn and instead votes with syn on sheep, ladd then joins on sheep.
7 min till eod: wagons are
Raskolnikov (4) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan, Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee (3) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Didistetter
Gemma (3) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd,
Syn (2) Newcomb, Gemma,
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (4) C0balt, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple
rask is now top wagon, gemma voted on syn before dya left syn, which would have put syn as counterwagon, but dya/lad combo ditched gemma and syn to vote sheep
insomnia then moves off voting gemma to vote with gemma on syn, 5 min till eod, puts syn at 3. mont unvotes rask, making wagons
Raskolnikov (3) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan
Theknightsofneeee (3) EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Didistetter
Gemma (3) Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
Syn (3) Newcomb, Gemma, Insomnia
Sheepsaysmeep (3) Syn, Dyachei, Ladd,
EnderWiggen (1) nebjiamn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Not Voting (4) C0balt, Sunbae, Arctic, Maple, Montmorency
so gemma, syn, knights, sheep, and rask are all tied wagons with 4 minutes till eod. knights and i both vote syn at the same time, pushing him to top wagon. maple votes rask, arctic hops on syn, and both jan and maple ditch their rask votes.
idk.
monts unvote creating a bunch of tied wagons feels really weird to me, and maples vote still feels like possible attempt to push it back onto rask.
i agree insomnia voting with gemma after voting gemma is odd at face value, but so then is dya voting with syn after voting syn. also best i saw insomn's vote was more to fight the wagon on rask.
TL;DR if rask is town mont and maple by far feel the worst imo
I disagree because if we assume syn is polarized then even if we cannot 100% lock the read on d1 we should not kill the slot and instead give it a moment.
A little bit of paranoia does not a wolfread make and killing someone wrongly who is polarized is simply a cardinal sin.
I saw the push when I couldn't sleep and panicked.
(I am absolutely not aware of Syn's polarization btw, considering how many people townread him d1 its probably a myth tho hehehe).
Anyway I think my point was more like. Rasks take wasnt strong enough to directly hold him accountable (which u kind of do when you vote Rask over him).
I feel like I wouldnt completely BLAME rask for being wrong there or like, draw the connection between rask and syn so heavily. Personally I would take this stance only when someone utters a read that can be seen close to a greencheck on a another player, and that's not what I'm seeing in Rasks posts.
if you are town imo you kinda overinterpreted rasks posts ig. which might just have happened.
didistetter
08-10-2024, 00:20
btw lowkey, its extremely annoying you guys dont know how to spell enderwiggin and the e at the end is bugging my primate brain can you fix that
iove seen it like 5 times itg and maybe even fdid it myself at some point but it looks SO WRONG (and IS wrong!!!)
it doesnt actually matter but i sound out "ender wi GEN" like the word "again" instead of "enderwiggin" like the word "wiggin" and it is WEIRD
sorryyy i try to fix it but my notes app keeps autocorrecting enderwiggin to enderwiggen so i miss it sometimes copying stuff over ;-;
Grr you've only like...played turbos and mashes with me. You don't know how I post in normal games and that post wasn't out of character or wolfy at all
Also do you think syn asks about pocketing a partner
I mean that is why I asked dya, was like one of the first posts in the morning, no one responded for a long time I dont blame myself for that :P
Second line I'm gonna reread up on what that was about (unfortunately my view/information of the game is kinda spotty...) (I will do so tho dw)
Kinda agree lol. I read 2 pages and I wanna kill the colonel and Vanta. Syn is town. Never rescind
Youa re not wrong grr.
Knowing rasks history reading syn and reading this post early I honestly overlooked part of the doubt that crept in later.
insomnia
08-10-2024, 00:23
yeah, my vote was more to save rask than caring who voted where
i think it's important to note that my vote on gemma explicitly showed a perspective of i'd vote gemma over knights because she isn't trying. not that she was egregiously wolfy or anything
I am cool with my vote where it is
Dunno where the me/jan stuff is coming from, i have no real interest in lunching jan today
Will be at the beach tomorrow but will be around before eod
can I pocket you also
ok im gonna be real most of Syns comments feel like they are they kind of wolf who just reacts to things and, like doesnt want to be taken seriously or plays to be taken seriously so this unpairing magic is a little bit beyond me. Ig surface level is like, why would they ask to pocket a wolf, but then again why not? lol its just like, throwaway conversations.
didistetter
08-10-2024, 00:27
callm e a sucker but im not fully convinced jan is capable of the posting he's doing this game as wolf, including his rask stuff
if there's a wolf in him/ladd i'd lean ladd a lot more (thre isn't a dichotomy there but my brain just kinda broke this down that way from what ive been reading a bit)
:hide: i have giga specific reads in my brain on jan and dya which is why im TRing them for now.
i dont wanna undercut what jan could do as a wolf, but yeah idk.. i think his positioning is rough but his posting is good, and since i caught him off posting last two times we were v/w im fine with him atm
Hopefully the info
Please remember me Gemma
What a weird last minute post lmao
I am cool with my vote where it is
Dunno where the me/jan stuff is coming from, i have no real interest in lunching jan today
Will be at the beach tomorrow but will be around before eod
i mean it came from this
Quote it cause this seems like bs friendo
I told newcomb id dayvig syn mid d1 if given a shot and never villa read syn once
My first thought is jan ngl, the eod felt like he was trying to use a villager with a wrong read (rask) to defend a wolf
Bbl, i just randomly woke up lol
also yeah ngl i suffer a real information problem here I am not fully aware of everything everyone has posted at all and its a constant catchup lmaooooo. i see you're voting maple now so I gotta read how you got there (at this pace i am probably post capping just by documenting me reading the thread gg)
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 00:31
:hide: i have giga specific reads in my brain on jan and dya which is why im TRing them for now.
i dont wanna undercut what jan could do as a wolf, but yeah idk.. i think his positioning is rough but his posting is good, and since i caught him off posting last two times we were v/w im fine with him atm
ya i should probly say i find it unlikely more than he's not capable, everyone in this game would be capable tbh (except u)
ok im gonna be real most of Syns comments feel like they are they kind of wolf who just reacts to things and, like doesnt want to be taken seriously or plays to be taken seriously so this unpairing magic is a little bit beyond me. Ig surface level is like, why would they ask to pocket a wolf, but then again why not? lol its just like, throwaway conversations.
Wolves don't tend to just hip ire this to other wolves. Can it happen? Sure. Does it happen in practice? Not really
didistetter
08-10-2024, 00:33
Vote: Maple
Wagons:
Maple (3) Ladd, Dolby, Didistetter
Nebjiamn (2) Insomnia, Gemma
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Dolby (1) ColonelLubriderm
Enderwiggin (1) Nebjiamn
Raskolnikov (1) Enderwiggin
Gemma (1) Wisdom
Theknightsofneeee (1) Raskolnikov
Not voting (8) Arctic, Maple, Jan, dyachei, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency, Grr
Stett you're putting too much stock into me voting with syn. I didn't know who I was voting with at that point in time until I saw the wagons at eod
i mean it came from this
also yeah ngl i suffer a real information problem here I am not fully aware of everything everyone has posted at all and its a constant catchup lmaooooo. i see you're voting maple now so I gotta read how you got there (at this pace i am probably post capping just by documenting me reading the thread gg)
Look no offense, this isnt directly at you in particular at all but this is exactly why i tend to vote only once per day
Jan had a bad eod, i am allowed to grill him over it without being put in dichotomies
He was 1 of my top villa reads d1, i agree he is posting villagery and i said as much
didistetter
08-10-2024, 00:38
Stett you're putting too much stock into me voting with syn. I didn't know who I was voting with at that point in time until I saw the wagons at eod
i think i've been clear i tr you ~for reasons~. :P
no need to worry what i think.
im not putting stock in it, i was mentioning it since dolby mentioned insomn voting with gemma
grr please save a post to vote eod if u plan on capping soon
~:smoking:
ColonelLubriderm are you actually genuinely claiming lovers with maple, not as a meme, and do you think he's been actually genuinely towny in lover chat>
hi
sorry i haven't been here irl's been beating me to a pulp
i'm too tired rn to do much and i've read barely anything from today outside of skimming random pages, but i hate approaching the thread when i'm unable to process everything while i'm there
that said all i really have time for right now is to post what i wrote overnight, i won't be much help on current affairs because i haven't read much from today
this was my overnight stuff:
syn dying day 1 as a wolf again is pretty unfortunate lol
so on the whole rask situation (which i expect to be the biggest point of contention today) i'm kind of coming to two worlds, one where rask is in fact a wolf who tried to make a cheeky w/w townread on syn, and the other where rask is town and wolves are in the people who tried to kill him first over syn because "he wouldn't be misreading syn so it makes sense to kill him first" because that's like.. exactly what wolves would want in a town!rask world - because then it makes syn look better the next day since rask dies with that god-townread on syn. so i guess specifically this is more of a jan callout. with other shade on maple/montmorency. the entire thing just felt kinda shady to me.
i was of the opinion that i didn't wanna kill syn if rask was townreading them but.. killing rask was way worse on a "who has been villagery" front, so it was hard for me to dictate my vote based on the order of associations rask!v meaning syn!v (something we now know is incorrect) when there's a chance he was just wrong
i should probably hold my tongue before we even know what alignment rask is but my last game here told me jan has a thing for making pretty plainly wrong/pro-wolf decisions at eod (thinking eod2) as town "for the sake of spice" so like, even though i want to consider the rask push damning if he's town i don't know if i can really do that
on maple - i opened is iso expecting his vote on rask to seem like an openwolf but.. it tracks well enough with what he was saying. he wanted to save knights and didn't have a read on syn and was shrugging on rask. i imagine he voted rask initially because he was townreading everyone on the rask wagon and only newcomb from the syn wagon (when it was 3-3) so it's whatever. the switch to syn after the outcome was already decided is probably the worse looking thing, if anything.
i am not sure how to parse montmorency's vote because i don't really understand what he was saying
on the topic of rask himself, dunno maybe we just kill him even though i could see him going either way atp cuz i think syn's posts about him look w/w. don't care so much that he got the read wrong though the reasoning seems pretty bad. syn calling out rask's townread on him being "suspicious [and] early" feels like it's inadvertently TMI'ing both of them wolves. syn including rask in his wolfreads after this doesn't really feel how i'd expect a wolf to treat a villager they know is misreading them - there isn't really any caution or attempt to keep up the pocket, but it makes sense as a wolf who is biased to thinking their partner is wolfy for incorrectly townreading them
other than this syn's posts weren't very useful imo. i also wouldn't be surprised if i was wrong on anything above no one is very clear from pushing him except newcomb imo
in terms of posts about syn - i think my main takeaway is that gemma is actually probably a villager unless the wagons were mostly wolves i guess. she townread syn immediately for inane posting and kept him as her like.. 3rd top townread which. i dunno. feels a little insane for me to be townreading syn that much as w/w given his level of posting, then to go back on it at eod (which is where the "unless if all the wagons were wolves" caveat comes in)
tl;dr none of the rask pushers were actually that wolfy (other than jan ig) so i could see rask being a wolf too or in general multiple wolves were being wagoned at that eod and wolves just did damage control by converging on syn who probably has the weakest posting or wasn't a strong role. but if i'm wrong on this and rask is town then like, i have to imagine wolves were pushing rask otherwise wtf were they doing. so i wouldn't mind killing jan. i think they are probably a difference check
aside from that i kinda wanna look at cobalt today (syn putting him as "fine" in his list strikes me as the most likely to be a townread on a partner given his posting), sunbae (just kinda strange approach, solving doesn't really strike me as sincere e.g. dya read, discussion on people not talked about as much), benneh (posted a bunch, none of it was towny. that's how his wolfgame feels to me). still don't know what to do about sheep but i could be convinced on him too
and one of the main things that i remember from skimming is arguing that jan's eod doesn't happen that day as a wolf if he's pushing v!rask with the logic that it guarantees jan's death when syn flips but i don't really agree with that sentiment because 1. syn is dead and it does not seem like jan is being treated as outted and 2. the point is pushing a town rask townreading syn incorrectly is likely to delay syn dying inadvertently because people were forming either w/w or rask!w syn!v or v/v connections but never one where syn was wolf and rask was town. so there's a decent chance the wolf angle there is to push a town rask over and use his incorrect read on syn that he died with to disprove the worlds that everyone was working with, especially if syn was able to post better the next day because his posting was already at a level above his wolfgame even though from what i heard it wasn't quite above the level of his towngame
something else i remember - ender to argue that "we normally vibe together [arctic] as v/v" feels pretty ridiculous given i can't remember playing any non-hydra non-team games with you excepting last game in which you thought i was a wolf roughly the entire game despite killing half the wolfteam and being townread by everyone, up until the point of literally being mech cleared for not hammering in f4
so for you to spin your read as "well we normally vibe and aren't here" shows a pretty disturbing lack of touch with reality at best or is just made up at worst, and if it's the former then i implore you to take a less reductive approach because i have a lot of actual content to work with extending past "vibes"
Hey Arctic fyi I have a v check on Cobalt
on the topic of ladd, yeah i'm worried that i'm just liking his posts and falling for that rather than actually considering the overall body of work and his direction
cuz i dunno i mean he wasn't interested in the syn wagon despite voicing concerns there (the same concerns which ironically made me go and check syn's posts and thus become willing to vote him, albeit mainly to save rask) and if knights is a villager then his main focus yesterday was two villagers. i don't know if knights is a villager, but tbc i think gemma is a villager now and wolf!knights had every excuse to stay on her wagon over syn. so like. yeah i dunno it just doesn't seem too great
it feels hypocritical somewhat because my focus hasn't been that different
but then again ladd is ladd and i'm me
i don't particularly want to kill him today still but i haven't read his posts today so maybe it'll be clearer when i do (which will be tomorrow morning/afternoon, im far too exhausted rn)
insomnia
08-10-2024, 01:01
Jan
You said you read syn good but you didn't know what to say about him, so presumably he was having an off game meta wise
I wanna understand why you then nail rask so hard to the wall on "he is def tming him if syn is v", like why can he not just be a villager with a wrong read? Idk this godread treatment on someone feels off to me esp cuz it's about a slot that you said was easy to find out what they are later, so how would flipping rask help you at all in reading him if he'd become obvious to you anyway?
i don't think the game makes a whole lot of sense if rask and jan are both town and the only world in which it does is the one where wolves have had no influence and literally did nothing at eod. which i suppose is possible, but i dunno. is it likely?
it didn't really seem like anyone took the bait on jan voting rask which is what i'd expect to happen if that interaction was v/v knowing the other wagon (syn) was a wolf. sure you have maple and mont but like. really? i went over it in my bigger post but maple's eod just feels ~rand given his earlier thoughts and voting on the better wagon comp according to his reads makes it feel less openwolfy after the fact. and monte i have no idea either
i somehow forgot that bop was voting there too so i'll have to revisit that, but his posting just felt too good. dunno.
Updates added to opening post
Jan Raskolnikov
Feel free to ignore this if you’ve already answered and I just haven’t seen it cuz I’ve not read today
but i want to know what you think wolves were doing at that eod (shade on particular players appreciated)
because for me the level 1 interpretation as a villager in either of your shoes is to think the other is a wolf otherwise things are quite odd (like wolves either being non-present completely or just bussing syn when they had town wagon(s) available)
that said like, wolves bussing syn for no reason could quite easily be the case thinking about like, if knights and gemma are also both wolves but it completely falls apart if one or zero of them are wolves (and im townreading gemma although maybe not for great reasons so shrug)
Jan
You said you read syn good but you didn't know what to say about him, so presumably he was having an off game meta wise
I wanna understand why you then nail rask so hard to the wall on "he is def tming him if syn is v", like why can he not just be a villager with a wrong read? Idk this godread treatment on someone feels off to me esp cuz it's about a slot that you said was easy to find out what they are later, so how would flipping rask help you at all in reading him if he'd become obvious to you anyway?
This is a game with a postcap. I have already used too many posts on the topic because I don't think I have a lot to add that you cannot find in my iso at this point.
This will be my last post focussed on this topic for now.
He was basically in between his last 2 games. One of those being wolf and one villager.
Rask was very convinced within moments that syn was a villager. I even scolded people early on to not give bad early villa reads on syn when he is a player that has a distinctive meta and is readable. (the scolding was pointed towards gemma not rask)
Based on rasks conviction in the last 2 games and the way he started this game I simply did not think he would be wrong. Easy as that.
I have very limited reasoning further than that.
I thought that it was way more likely w/w or w/w than v/w. Easy as that.
Your whole question here is making it sound like I had this planned from the get-go when my plan at the time was to sway people away from killing either but if they had to kill one of them then rask first based on my perspective.
If this and the 2000 words I have already committed on the topic is not helpful then nothing and nobody can help you and you should catch up on your sleep instead.
I am honestly just done with this. The information is in the thread and repeating myself over and over again is not helpful to anyone and just a waste of time and space.
Jan Raskolnikov
Feel free to ignore this if you’ve already answered and I just haven’t seen it cuz I’ve not read today
but i want to know what you think wolves were doing at that eod (shade on particular players appreciated)
because for me the level 1 interpretation as a villager in either of your shoes is to think the other is a wolf otherwise things are quite odd (like wolves either being non-present completely or just bussing syn when they had town wagon(s) available)
4. Vanta Black
5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae
7. Raskolnikov
14. Wisdom
15. Syn
21. C0balt
The 7 people that did not post in the last hour before eod.
If 2 of those people (in addition to syn) are wolves then wolves have very limited power to control eod.
I don't think it is sunbae or vanta. But the other are all possible.
As of right now I have no reason to believe it is not 4 people within
nebjiamn
Raskolnikov
Ladd
EnderWiggin
Wisdom
Maple
Montmorency
C0balt (now Dolby)
Within this group you have wild mix of not around at eod and looks bad at eod. (add me to it if you want).
Let's say 2 of dolby, ben, rask and wisdom are wolves and not around at eod.
What do you think any of the 2 remaining wolves that are around can do to change the tide?
I understand that Rask vs Jan is a nice story and rask might be a wolf, but if you just look at the people missing EoD you will realize that it is not as clear cut.
saving my last 4 for votes if need be but:
Wagons:
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Theknightsofneeee (3) EnderWiggen, Gemma, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (3) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan
Syn (2) Newcomb, dyachei
EnderWiggen (2) nebjiamn, dyachei
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Arctic, Sunbae, Montmorency, C0balt, Maple
rn gemma is lead wagon, lots of vanities. p sure arctic hasnt voted all day lol. maple at least tried and failed :P
this was the votecount 2 minutes after enders last post of the day (18 minutes before eod). if rask is a villager then ender might not think syn is likely dying at eod and might just leave and not come back in time as well.
Ladd is the most likely person to fool me but I liked his village list late d1.
honestly my main takeaway from latter half of the day is that bop/artic are villas
i'd be surprised if this list isnt pure:
ladd
newcomb
stett
artic
bop
grrr
jan
could even add dya and it probablyyyy remains pure
not sure i like what knights is doing this eod sadly
The only problem is really being wrong on sheep and the vote timing right after dya voted sheep reads like a peek cfd attempt.
Ladd would be the most likely aligned with Rask off the pack.
No idea what to do with Monty. the late Rask vote and unvote 6 minutes later was fine. Not sure why a wolf would not switch to syn and just unvote.
I don't know him and have basically no read here.
Maple vote does not read aligned with Rask, but can be aligned with Syn. Maple enjoy trolling and silly stuff which makes reading into eradic behavior hard.
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 02:58
So im just doing a drive by and I think it is definitely plausible that we live in a Jan/rasko v/v world and in that world Gemma looks more like a villa maybe, let’s say it does for the sake of argument
Like if you think they are all villas then it’s bratty much just 4 people in
Ender
Wisdom
Ladd
Neb
Dolby
Mont
Maple
Right?
guess who's covid neg weeeeeeeeeeeee
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 03:33
So im just doing a drive by and I think it is definitely plausible that we live in a Jan/rasko v/v world and in that world Gemma looks more like a villa maybe, let’s say it does for the sake of argument
Like if you think they are all villas then it’s bratty much just 4 people in
Ender
Wisdom
Ladd
Neb
Dolby
Mont
Maple
Right?
If the above is true then I don’t see how wisdom is not always a wolf.
Like my problem is that this is wisdom’s worldview ;
Wisdom strongest town according to his list post its rask/jan followed by ladd/ender
The rest of the grouping from my last post are basically their nulls and his three wolf reads are vanta/gemma/dolby.
I’m curious as to the reason why Jan/rask are so high, secretly I’m hoping he’s a seer, and then why ladd/ender after that but forget about that for a second.
If you think rask is a villa; shouldn’t you also think Gemma/knights are probably villas too because presumably when it was 3/3/3 they could have jumped on v!rasko over syn
But wisdom pushing on Gemma and if not their then vanta/dolby which seems kind of meh
It doesn’t make sense to me
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 03:33
Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!
Yeah right now I'd say...
Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask
Leaning town
Ender
Ladd
Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett
Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae
Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta
Wisdom list I mentioned from earlier this afternoon
That’s a good post from Bop, when I was looking at that list earlier I kind of only considered the susses and not Wisdoms whole worldview. Yeah it’s kinda just whack
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 04:01
Wisdom why am i null now? i dont get your progression on me this game
unless im misremembering you had me as somewhat strong townlean d1 and not that i expect everyone to carry that water forever it feels weird i'm now null when i was mostly absent eod and afaict you haven't elaborated much (at least on me) since ?
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 04:05
If the above is true then I don’t see how wisdom is not always a wolf.
Like my problem is that this is wisdom’s worldview ;
Wisdom strongest town according to his list post its rask/jan followed by ladd/ender
The rest of the grouping from my last post are basically their nulls and his three wolf reads are vanta/gemma/dolby.
I’m curious as to the reason why Jan/rask are so high, secretly I’m hoping he’s a seer, and then why ladd/ender after that but forget about that for a second.
If you think rask is a villa; shouldn’t you also think Gemma/knights are probably villas too because presumably when it was 3/3/3 they could have jumped on v!rasko over syn
But wisdom pushing on Gemma and if not their then vanta/dolby which seems kind of meh
It doesn’t make sense to me
ill be honest i wouldn't expect wisdom to sort reads out like that (see: ladd mentioning she has a weird process on d1) but id still say its worth prodding her over the reasoning
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 04:09
the more i read I feel like I keep thinking "this person isn't capable of this level of posting as wolf" but that's a) obviously reductive and insulting and i dont wana do that but more importantly b) probly just flat out wrong because ive had the thought enough times that im misclearing several people and idk if that means im misclearing people for bad reasons or the wolves are in the elite players that are capable of fooling me without me thinking im being fooled (this would be like, ladd/knights/maple/sunbae/arctic group of ppl)
i should probly do a sorted list to help gather and structure my thoughts butg im lazy
the more i read I feel like I keep thinking "this person isn't capable of this level of posting as wolf" but that's a) obviously reductive and insulting and i dont wana do that but more importantly b) probly just flat out wrong because ive had the thought enough times that im misclearing several people and idk if that means im misclearing people for bad reasons or the wolves are in the elite players that are capable of fooling me without me thinking im being fooled (this would be like, ladd/knights/maple/sunbae/arctic group of ppl)
i should probly do a sorted list to help gather and structure my thoughts butg im lazy
well why dont we go through the playerlist together and see whats up
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 04:31
well why dont we go through the playerlist together and see whats up
I’m here til edibles kick in
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 04:36
I’m also mildly annoyed that twice during eod ladd asked about sheep and twice I told him to look at my previous post and even told him the post number and he still wagoned sheep
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 04:38
last night when maple was saying how they had more PR reads than alignment reads, and sheep replied "am i that obvious"; I did not read that as a joke. I truly believe that sheep was saying that they are actually a PR.
I dont want sheep to hard claim, i dont want any more info about this, and in fact this will be the last post I will talk about sheep in any way.
I would ask that everyone join me in this endeavor and thank this post. In doing that, enter into a tacit agreement that, if we fail to kill wolves by day 3 or we reach lylo+2, we then grill sheep about this claim and if they bring nothing to the table we yeet them into oblivion. This is the price you pay for leveraging a power role for clearance.
Yours in werewolf,
-bopolis
My post in question which I still stand by
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 04:45
That right Ben and sunbae;
Hide in your discord you mangy wolves
Bops on the prowl and he’s feeling himself
Figuratively
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 04:48
the more i read I feel like I keep thinking "this person isn't capable of this level of posting as wolf" but that's a) obviously reductive and insulting and i dont wana do that but more importantly b) probly just flat out wrong because ive had the thought enough times that im misclearing several people and idk if that means im misclearing people for bad reasons or the wolves are in the elite players that are capable of fooling me without me thinking im being fooled (this would be like, ladd/knights/maple/sunbae/arctic group of ppl)
i should probly do a sorted list to help gather and structure my thoughts butg im lazy
You know how I know this guys wolfing;
He didn’t read this thread
Boom outted
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 04:50
Also maple has lots of salient points on the gamestate and I think when he brings it up here you will all change your tood on him
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 04:50
Also maple has lots of salient points on the gamestate and I think when he brings it up here you will all change your tood on him
In our neighbor chat that is
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 04:56
That right Ben and sunbae;
Hide in your discord you mangy wolves
Bops on the prowl and he’s feeling himself
Figuratively
im ready to turn on rocket league for the next 72 hours
In our neighbor chat that is
did maple say anything in neighbor chat during EOD?
Like, were they always going to end on Syn, or was there a level of realness to the Rask vote?
watching fallout with the gals, will post here after
didistetter
08-10-2024, 05:01
In our neighbor chat that is
so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? ColonelLubriderm
also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?
didistetter
08-10-2024, 05:02
Gemma what about my play today reads as powerwolfy to you?
i'd like you to unpack that and explain it out a bit pls, cause it kinda feels like a random pot shot, so im curious what the thoughts are behind it
Vote: Dolby :pop2:
Sunbae so unfortunatley the tldr of why i tr grr is: meta. i've played with him a fair amount and he's pretty stilted and frozen as a wolf. the stream of consciousness and overexplaining and relative highposting here is all pretty far out of his scumrange, and there's a tonal purity he just really hasnt been able to replicate well as scum before.
I can pull up posts and walk through them if you need me to, but, everyone who is familiar with grr is towncoring him, so, that's p significant here
(also this post at eod just felt very loltown) #1205 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858038&viewfull=1#post2053858038)
Gemma rebumping this question. it was an odd dig and im curious what your thought process behind the scenes is, b/c your posting is frankly hard to decipher and kinda cagey
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 05:02
so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? @ColonelLubriderm (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102069)
also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?
lol this question is brutal in a way that im too lazy to explain
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 05:07
If Jan/rask are villas I think it is probably wisdom/ender+2 with one being ladd a lot of the time
If wisdom is a villa in the above world I can’t articulate why but my heart wants to say sunbae=wolf because I kind of think if wisdom a villa ladd probably a villa; but I gotta marinate on that one for a bit
I currently find Jan more villagy than rasko
That’s about it
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 05:09
lol this question is brutal in a way that im too lazy to explain
I’d vote montmore but it would just be projection
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 05:09
so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? ColonelLubriderm
also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?
It’ll all make perfect sense when we I flip
Ender calls Rask town but it's more Rask enjoying time at the beach, votes knights. interaction with grr is fine
Ender has like 5 posts trying to pocket Newcomb lol
His most extensive posts feel like their responses to posts about him
His lasts few posts of D1 being a functional defense of Syn, including a actual defense of Syn, is not good vibes
It's just not good and I'm gonna feel real bad if he's town
Him going for Rask at SOD today feels not great as well, like an easy target, but tbh I'm not even sure if I townread Rask
I guess it's a good look that he didn't get on Gemma since he gave himself space to do so, but that's less of a good look and more of a not bad look
I kinda think that Ender is maybe TMIing Monty in the following post
Oh I haven't said this but Monty's EOD was pretty towny of him IMO. Some of the D2 start also feels a lot like the game I ML'd him when we were both town, and I like to think I learn from mishammering =P
The only really relevant post is 1279 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858115&highlight=#post2053858115) and it is a nice post and I admitidly haven't played with Monty for awhile but unless he thinks Monty's takes on Ladd are coming from V him I just don't see this, or how it's not replicatable
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 05:10
i had to go looking
https://i.imgur.com/R8Pl9p2.png
good take, nearly 9 years old
I’m here til edibles kick in
yeah im game
i kind of want to shore up a few things:
- That gemma/grr/knights section in my list. With Gemma/Knights counterwagons to syn near eod I've been boosting them both up (also for voting Syn and I think being villagery on their own to boot,) but I do want to just double check that it's not a blind spot where we had a couple wolves wagoned and they had to consolidate on each other and I give them false credit. Gemma I didn't really have a read on before the eod and vote so there especially I want to shore up but reading eod they looked good I thought. I had knights as towney before I left because I thought his general frustrations and vibe was pure but due diligence etc. With Grr I've just kind of mostly been going off others read there but I also just haven't felt any real pings when real timing with them either. I feel like this trio holds a lot of the keys for my personal view of the game because if I can clear them I think my other town reads are quite strong which leaves the game pretty manageable. Then on the other side I feel if I'm just calling them town and overlooking them when one is actually a wolf they can certainly get in a good spot and take the game down and I just wanna make sure etc.
- I want to take Dya's opinion that I'm just attributing things that normally work for Neb into a unique game where it's easy for that approach to misfire as well as newcombs/(was it ladd also? id have to check) take that I am giving Maple town cred for things I shouldn't be giving and just make sure I'm not overlooking something there. Both of those were reads I felt stronger about than anyone in the above trio but having brushback from people I trust is making me want to shore it up.
- I'd like to explore my opinions on Monte more because I feel like that's a spot that if I'm right is a critical town to save and if I'm wrong then I need to back off asap.
didistetter
08-10-2024, 05:13
theknightsofneeee assume jan is mafia for a minute: where do you go and how does your worldview shift? you votecamped him all d1 and are doing it again today, and frankly. this feels like a very unproductive tunnel.
you also made the bulk of your posts d1 in response to the push on you, and instead of leveraging your cred from voting syn eod to be productive and solve with people, have just still kept the view you head yesterday.
there are probs 4 wolves left, in a world jan is town, what does that mean for your reads and perception of d1?
Vanta Black what are your thoughts on thread? ik keeping up with a lot of posts is hard, but surely you have some thoughts off general vibes and d1 elim and whatnot? im getting a bit of deja vu to speccing you in champs, where you leaned on being lost and behind a lot to avoid engagement. i think your tone is a lot purer here, but i'd appreciate your thoughts
Vote: Enderwiggin
i wanna give benben the benefit of the doubt and here what bop and maple have to say, and im unimpressed with ender's engagement today.
we need to make some meaningful wagons, this is kinda useless for pressure
Maple (2) Ladd, Dolby,
Enderwiggin (2) Nebjiamn, Didistetter
Nebjiamn (2) Insomnia, Gemma
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Dolby (1) ColonelLubriderm
Raskolnikov (1) Enderwiggin
Gemma (1) Wisdom
Theknightsofneeee (1) Raskolnikov
Not voting (8) Arctic, Maple, Jan, dyachei, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency, Grr
Arctic
dyachei
grr
Jan
Maple
Montmorency
Sunbae
Vanta Black
if y'all had to vote someone right meow, where would you go and why?
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 05:14
so are you confirming yes, maple is actually your neighbor/lover and you do actually share a chat and he actually is being towny in chat? ColonelLubriderm
also not trying to be rude, just trying to find out: what's your track record with neighbor chats and being pocketed or finding wolves?
I think I’m 0-1 with maple specifically before this game but it wasn’t the neighbor chat that made me think he was a villa it was the fact he didn’t execute me when he had the ability to;
didistetter
08-10-2024, 05:14
dammit
Vote: Enderwiggin
didistetter
08-10-2024, 05:15
I think I’m 0-1 with maple specifically before this game but it wasn’t the neighbor chat that made me think he was a villa it was the fact he didn’t execute me when he had the ability to;
wym?
you were never a lead wagon
Vote: EnderWiggin
maybe I'm just wrong on Syn/Wisdom not being w/w tbh
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 05:18
wym?
you were never a lead wagon
In the game previous I had a chat with him
That right Ben and sunbae;
Hide in your discord you mangy wolves
Bops on the prowl and he’s feeling himself
Figuratively
Sorry I was making cup noodle
didistetter
08-10-2024, 05:19
Opening thread before falling asleep was a mistake.
I voted Gemma because I think she’s the most likely to be a wolf. I tried pushing Vanta and Ben before that but exactly 0 things happened so I went back to Gemma.
My PoE is largely the same because I believe in them, the way I solve is getting a PoE through finding town reads then finding things that people in my PoE has done that's town indicative (like Bop) and checking whom I've called town for bad reasons (like Vanta). There are some slots that I've got a lot of experience with and have no clue how to read, so instead I listen to what others says about them and try to form an opinion based on that (like Insomnia).
And then there is you and this is a me problem but you have no idea how hard I analyzed your play in sf1 last year and that is now how I expect you to play as town, which of course isn't fair. It's just bugging me that you blatantly said in your first post that you're not going to play like that and that exact move is what I expect w!you to do. But I recognize that pretty much everyone else town reads you, you solve in a towny way and you have oomph and is probably thread spewed town, so I have no reason to sus you unless you're alive in lategame. I kinda expected you to be nk'd. It still bugs my head though, I'm looking the Stett that went completely bananas in her mission to solve the game every single day and she simply isn't here ^^
But I mean, I'm obviously not playing my all-in game here either. I've mostly been on phone (which I avoid in Champs games if I can) and I struggle to connect with games where most action happens in my sleep and since I can't be here at EoD I can't really influence who dies (or save myself, hence I've been misyeeted on every Org game I've played) so I'm just in my own cloud trying to solve for my own sake, only giving input when I think it's worth anything.
And yeah the wall yeet post was a joke and a reminder because I've had to skip a few posts which always sucks because people are putting in effort into them that I can't comprehend without proper focus.
Sorry if I come off as aggressive, your thoughts are valid and I'm just tired <3 Good night friend, I'll adress any further issues tomorrow.
didistetter
ngl, an outside perspective would help a lot here tbh.
nebjiamn ColonelLubriderm Arctic is this wolfy or am i being uncharitable?
didistetter
08-10-2024, 05:20
In the game previous I had a chat with him
but what does that have to do with his alignment this game?
im confused what you're saying ngl
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