Tarot Mafia

[Sunbae]

Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

My favorite part of playing werewolf is making reads and having someone question how you can possibly have that read and then read another post where the someone else calls your reads too consensual.

[Sunbae]

That wasn't sarcasm btw, it's genuinely one of the funnest parts of werewolf

[Sunbae]

Rask can you order my reads from most to least consensus:

Neb town
Dya obvious villager
Maple town (though pondering more I admit now)
Knights light towny
Insomnia towny
Jan wolfy
Ender wolfy
Rask wolfy

[Jan]

also someone asked me why im sketch on ender and its because there were multiple posts of theirs that i thought "this is how i would post about insertgoodplayerthatrandedvillager here if i were a wolf against them".





both of those made me hmph in the way where its like tiptoeing around someone

this is your post. had to look it up.

I don't disagree with your take.
enders takes are things I can simply nod along and fakeable as wolf.

both examples here are just expert fence sitting tbh.
I tend to have very similar thoughts early on a lot of times. it is why I didn't bother placing sheep or knights in my early list for example.

I can see your reason. And I am curious how ender evolves when he comes back.
I don't think it is damning in any way. to me it is just something that a wolf could easily fake, but a villager might post as well.

[Sunbae]

Also, do you think it means anything that the vast majority of my reads are focused on the people I have the most experience with?

[Sunbae]

this is your post. had to look it up.

I don't disagree with your take.
enders takes are things I can simply nod along and fakeable as wolf.

both examples here are just expert fence sitting tbh.
I tend to have very similar thoughts early on a lot of times. it is why I didn't bother placing sheep or knights in my early list for example.

I can see your reason. And I am curious how ender evolves when he comes back.
I don't think it is damning in any way. to me it is just something that a wolf could easily fake, but a villager might post as well.

Hmm, ok that's fair! I think that means your post wasn't directed at me at all which is fine. A nice wait and see approach works well I think too

[Sunbae]

Also, do you think it means anything that the vast majority of my reads are focused on the people I have the most experience with?

hmmm i probably should fill in some of the gaps I have in the reads list actually

[Jan]

Also, do you think it means anything that the vast majority of my reads are focused on the people I have the most experience with?

I assume ben and bop would be in your list if that was true.

[Sunbae]

slight town read to arctic

[Sunbae]

I assume ben and bop would be in your list if that was true.

ben is neb! have as a villager

bop im uncertain on at the moment

[Jan]

I assume ben and bop would be in your list if that was true.

oh wait neb is ben.

in my head it was just a lazy way to say NEwcomB. :X

[Wisdom]

I might be an idiot but I still think Sunbae's pure. I know it's dumb because it's all macro and I'm really looking for one micro reason to town read him, just anything that's slightly town indicative on a perspective level rather than tone/wim/solvyness, and I just can't.

But he's in my town lean pile anyway, he's cute, sue me.

[Visor]

Players Votes
Theknightsofneeee 3 EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Newcomb
Gemma 2 Ladd, Wisdom
Vanta Black 1 Gemma
EnderWiggin 1 nebjiamn
Newcomb 1 grr
Wisdom 1 sheepsaysmeep
sheepsaysmeep 1 Syn
dyachei 1 insomnia
Jan 1 Theknightsofneeee
C0balt 1 Didistetter
ColonelLubriderm 1 Vanta Black

i don't have my new tallier on this comp, so give me a bit to get it formatted and stuff but this should be the tally

remember that if the vote does not start with vote:

i will not see it nor count it!

[Visor]

Players Votes

Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Newcomb)
Gemma 2 (Ladd, Wisdom)
Vanta Black 1 (Gemma)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Newcomb 1 (grr)
Wisdom 1 (sheepsaysmeep)
sheepsaysmeep 1 (Syn)
dyachei 1 (insomnia)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
C0balt 1 (Didistetter)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)

whatthistextdo

it'll do for now!

lmk if you also want me to add post numbers for each vote fwiw, though havent looked into how hard it would be to link em

[insomnia]

wasn't gemma meant to be obvious villager by now or is that a bad view to hold?

it feels like they're really distant in poking at stuff and the times i've read them it was incredibly easy to villa read them off their pushes. it's been about 35h since SoD and nothing really spicy from them but just placing really safe votes and that doesn't feel like their style at all. i woulda expected them to swing at a hard hitter thus far, but let me know if im wrong

[Gemma]

wasn't gemma meant to be obvious villager by now or is that a bad view to hold?

it feels like they're really distant in poking at stuff and the times i've read them it was incredibly easy to villa read them off their pushes. it's been about 35h since SoD and nothing really spicy from them but just placing really safe votes and that doesn't feel like their style at all. i woulda expected them to swing at a hard hitter thus far, but let me know if im wrong

wolfy
Visor sheep is voting me

[Gemma]

Vote: insomnia

[insomnia]

alright, i tried re-reading but i really can't be bothered. d1 is not my strong suit and especially not in these types of playerlists where im sure i won't have much of an influence on d1 anyway and it's better to let things flow as it is

i will say the reads that i feel fine with for now are

v
stett
grr

probably v
raskolnikov
maple

yolo v
knightsofneeee

the way i read the game rn in terms of wolfreads is prob the worst in terms of playing d1. kinda lost interest because of that. the lunch will probably be some low poster cuz we don't want to lunch the people putting in effort this early and because of this being a COVETED get together of players, so i'll try harder d2. i might come back for EoD if im awake

[insomnia]

wolfy
Visor sheep is voting me

why?

in the mash i remember you pushing high profile players with much more ease and a ton of villageriness. in here you have ~nothing to say about hard hitters despite actively choosing not to get involved. i'd expect someone doing that to at least have something spicier to say and especially you

you are def not playing typical (at least from my viewing of your mash play and a few normals here), i haven't decided if you're a wolf or not for it, but i don't feel comfortable letting you off the hook if you won't provide some cool insight given you aren't getting involved. shouldn't that make it real easy to see you villaging?

just saying

what do you think about ladd voting you?

[ladd]

alright, i tried re-reading but i really can't be bothered. d1 is not my strong suit and especially not in these types of playerlists where im sure i won't have much of an influence on d1 anyway and it's better to let things flow as it is

i will say the reads that i feel fine with for now are

v
stett
grr

probably v
raskolnikov
maple

yolo v
knightsofneeee

the way i read the game rn in terms of wolfreads is prob the worst in terms of playing d1. kinda lost interest because of that. the lunch will probably be some low poster cuz we don't want to lunch the people putting in effort this early and because of this being a COVETED get together of players, so i'll try harder d2. i might come back for EoD if im awake

I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

[dyachei]

didistetter my read on Jan is a vibe read first and foremost and he's not doing some things i associate with his wolf game. He memes as both alignments but tends to do it more as a wolf than as a villager. I can't really explain my read beyond that.

[dyachei]

I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

idt newcomb is obvious atp. Newcomb is like...slightly villa for me right now but I'm not willing to commit

[Gemma]

why?

in the mash i remember you pushing high profile players with much more ease and a ton of villageriness. in here you have ~nothing to say about hard hitters despite actively choosing not to get involved. i'd expect someone doing that to at least have something spicier to say and especially you

you are def not playing typical (at least from my viewing of your mash play and a few normals here), i haven't decided if you're a wolf or not for it, but i don't feel comfortable letting you off the hook if you won't provide some cool insight given you aren't getting involved. shouldn't that make it real easy to see you villaging?

just saying

what do you think about ladd voting you?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/search.php?searchid=20690838

can u quote the post where i pushed ppl

and "ladd prob wolfing" rly doesn't count

man what is people's obsession with status in mafia

high profile this elite omegabrain that like omg

we're all just weird nerds typing random poopies into a little box for the memes

if u haven't decided i'm a wolf then don't shade me from the sidelines (that's why ur post is wolfy)

ladd's vote on me is silly and he'll presumably switch off at some point or not idc about it

[insomnia]

I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

nah, idt you are w/w. at most i think it's just 1 there and i'd lean you over newcomb anyway. newcomb got better

i just think a lot of the wolves are the people we'd never consider voting d1, feels like that type of game to me, but i genuinely don't have an interest figuring out who that might be. i just know i didn't wanna die and usually when i do that i lose accuracy and interest to solve the game cuz i need to re-read

[Visor]

Players Votes

Gemma 3 (Ladd, sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Newcomb)
insomnia 1 (Gemma)
dyachei 1 (insomnia)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
C0balt 1 (Didistetter)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)
sheepsaysmeep 1 (Syn)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Newcomb 1 (grr)

whatthistextdo

thx gemma, fixed

[insomnia]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/search.php?searchid=20690838

can u quote the post where i pushed ppl

and "ladd prob wolfing" rly doesn't count

man what is people's obsession with status in mafia

high profile this elite omegabrain that like omg

we're all just weird nerds typing random poopies into a little box for the memes

if u haven't decided i'm a wolf then don't shade me from the sidelines (that's why ur post is wolfy)

ladd's vote on me is silly and he'll presumably switch off at some point or not idc about it

why is it silly? do you think you've been villagery?

there's no thing with status. i've just seen you being villagery by way of pushing typical slots like that. in here you feel immensely uninspired and i dont get why

and yes, im shading you cuz, again, it's been 36h, you didn't give us much and your votes are real consensus and / or safe, so i'd like to hear more. im fine giving people time to do their thing obviously, but when you play it this safe in addition to not putting your thoughts in the thread it looks wolfy, considering i usually tell pretty easily when you're v (at least from skimming on this site)

that's my process on you /shrug

[insomnia]

im not quoting anything, lol. nobody cares about that

[Gemma]

idc about what visor did in another game lol i'm a) not visor b) not trying to get vanta yeeted

also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

at what point in this game do i look like someone who is going to be a deciding factor in a yeet such that i would think doing absolutely nothing other than voting someone would lead to their receiving pressure or votes and what about a naked vote and ping at vanta ever comes across as meaningfully pushing the slot idk what angle u think i would even be playing there as a wolf
insomnia

i'll try to have some less safe reads in the future ty for the feedback

[Gemma]

im not quoting anything, lol. nobody cares about that

u seem to care quite a bit

[insomnia]

insomnia

i'll try to have some less safe reads in the future ty for the feedback

i feel like you're being a bit prickly with me for no reason. i've elaborated with numerous points why im not comfortable giving you space anymore. do you feel like that's wrong / attacking you or what?

you can be villagery by posting thoughts and that's all i asked

im closing the thread

[EnderWiggin]

Never fear, Ender is here.

I'mma be honest bruvs. 17 pages to catch up, idk if I'll get through em all before I collapse to sleep.

But here I go.

[EnderWiggin]

Yes, I like seeing people post about my meta because it makes me feel noticed and important.

Carry on.

Okay unironically Cobalt spot-responding mostly to comments about them is rand!wolf for em

[EnderWiggin]

now this I don't like as much

the second line feels like something you just throw in to add the appearance of depth without there being any real consideration

As I'm typing this though I'm recognizing that there's perhaps a bit of "townreading someone who townreads you is such a goober thing to do off the bat" that i'm reflexively doing the opposite to prove to myself i'm not a chump

gonna let this one marinate

https://i.imgflip.com/8zj0c5.jpg

[nebjiamn]

I also kinda was sus of Insomnia early on the pages but Page 6 Insomnia hits different.

Even if I disagree with the reads, I kinda like the posts.


I like Jan rn.

My vote on them is a joke until I decide to change to someone else.


I got bored of joke-voting

Vote: Knights of Neeeee


I feel like Newcomb gets voted pretty easily when he hasn't ~done much. I helped vote em out last game we played when I was wolf and they were town on D1. (Though it was a wild EOD to be fair.)

Can you talk to me about why Newcomb is there in your sus list? (To be clear I very much think Newcomb has done nothing I'd consider reading them on yet.)
Jan its nothing mega deep, just these posts in particular pinged me

emphasizing the vote on you was a joke twice/clarifying his intent just pings me a bit

the post about insom pings me for the 'kinda sus early' 'but p6 insom hits diff' when early on was mostly intro posts and it feels like somewhat of an exaggeration for something i viewed as either null or just irrelevant from insom (but ender being around to clarify which posts early he sus'd would help tbf)

the post about newcomb is just super awkward. its mostly fluff about his willingness to vote newcomb as a wolf in a game from a year ago segueing into 'why are you reading him?' with clarification that he doesnt even have a read on newcomb

i cant really explain the read beyond that. i admit its kinda meh but i don't really have much else to work on rn. his other posts in the flurry were ~fine i agree but for my money he's the wolfiest of the interesting/non-cop-out yeets on the table we're likely heading to (sheep/knights) that i think have more villa equity

[EnderWiggin]

knights did have a kind of awkward intro; whoever pointed that out, think it was rask or ender maybe, I vibe with it. didn't stick out like a sore thumb but on readback, the shoe fits for the token awkward thread entrance d1 wolf. Not a glass slipper, but at least a pair of crocs.

Talk to me about benneh; apologies if I missed it, i'm catching up and also f5'ing the thread as I do

Sheep but I think I was second? Or I don't remember someone.

But basically Sheep and me did it.

[nebjiamn]

im heading in to work and am gonna be in a data center with no outbound internet access basically all day, not sure if ill be able to make EOD

will do my best to pop in on a break if possible and make a relevant vote as needed but gona stay on ender for now

id really prefer to not go sheep if that matters to anyone

[Gemma]

i feel like you're being a bit prickly with me for no reason. i've elaborated with numerous points why im not comfortable giving you space anymore. do you feel like that's wrong / attacking you or what?

you can be villagery by posting thoughts and that's all i asked

im closing the thread

not prickly just some friendly sass

i dont mind what u do wrt giving me space or not, its not going to affect how i post

feel free to ask me about a post or something specific and i'll probably humor you

but saying repeatedly that my posts dont match some imaginary gemma that you havbe in ur head and talking about a consensus or whatnot donest really give me anything to converse with, my reads are my reads and saying they're safe like ive intentioned out to commit sins is ??? and idek what consensus is aorn or what u think it is so like there are wild leagues between us that require unpoacking and deconstructing before we can begin to talk which is why im just shrugging

[Gemma]

Okay unironically Cobalt spot-responding mostly to comments about them is rand!wolf for em

have u 2 been hanging out irl

unironically i mean

[EnderWiggin]

The amount of confusion Sunbae caused with the Stett ID lie is cracking me up.

Top quality content.

[EnderWiggin]

have u 2 been hanging out irl

unironically i mean

Nope.

[EnderWiggin]

tier 3 is lame i wanna be like. tier1+ or wolfread. tier 3 is kinda like where people tolerate ur existence but kinda keep taking potshots at you and you already know you're never gonna be nightkilled and it's so cringe.

We should band together and seize the means of production voting, so that we too might be graced with the bliss of N1.

[dyachei]

vote: enderwiggin

I like insom better now in his responses to gemma

[Gemma]

Nope.

oh wait it was syn who said unironically before not you

nvm

[EnderWiggin]

fry.gif in enders general directi

"Shut up and take my money"? How did you know I needed money?

(I joke but I have the feeling this is the start of the current anti-Ender sentiment I'm observing around catching up lmao.)

[Gemma]

vote: enderwiggin

I like insom better now in his responses to gemma

care to elaborate

[dyachei]

care to elaborate

not really no

[EnderWiggin]

Dya tackling Newcomb digging into their reasoning is ~more towny of em.

Disclaimer being that I have historically had a bad rate of reading Dya. But I like it.

[ladd]

Okay unironically Cobalt spot-responding mostly to comments about them is rand!wolf for em

Is this read based on meta?

Cobalt is a slot I am interested in (prolly not today since they gave cover and i am ok with respecting that for 1 day)

[EnderWiggin]

also someone asked me why im sketch on ender and its because there were multiple posts of theirs that i thought "this is how i would post about insertgoodplayerthatrandedvillager here if i were a wolf against them".





both of those made me hmph in the way where its like tiptoeing around someone

I'm gonna ask you to cast your mind back to the last time you were town and I was wolf and I voted out Newcomb D1.

I give 0 shits about tiptoeing around good players.

(I once, famously, kept Pizza alive til F4 despite everyone townreading him. I lost that, but hell was it fun.)

This feels ~really bland of a read on me from Sunbae, and I can't help but feel like it comes from the fact that Ladd proved that wolves can push me for free because people don't generally find me super towny.

I'll chew on this a bit more before I commit to it. Because this is absolutely OMGUS range. But bleh.

[EnderWiggin]

Is this read based on meta?

Cobalt is a slot I am interested in (prolly not today since they gave cover and i am ok with respecting that for 1 day)

Yes. The meta is like a year old so I can't guarantee it holds up but I played a bunch with Cobalt and saw the innards of their Wolf Play when I was their Partner during Champs.

[EnderWiggin]

yesssssssssssss, that page 6 post pinged me too

i was too lazy to do the math on what page 6 would be since i'm on 40 or 35 or 62 posts per page or whatever, but my estimate was he was sussing inso earlier for his like, ~4 intro posts that were pretty ~whatever?

Man, it's such a pity I have already a voiced scumread based on 4 posts at SOD. I surely couldn't have a SECOND ONE hidden in my coat!

[ColonelLubriderm]

vote: ColonelLubriderm

I'll bet you want a reason for this vote. Vibes thing. Earlier when I wasn't at a keyboard I read a little on mobile (which is dire) and saw some posts that pinged me, and I will look for them.

Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning. I have since seen some players say Jan is easily capable of faking that relaxed vibe and I guess I have to believe them, and also it's probably a dumb reason to tr someone. But there it is. (I have played 1 game with Jan, which is 1 more than I have played with most of you here.)

on initial impressions, i feel like a wolf would come up for a better fake reason for jan than tarot cards. Though as i write these two sentences my initial impressions have waned a bit

[ladd]

Ok thx for the insight, seems like a potentially cool read.

Maybe i am a dummie but i dont like what gemma posted like couple of pages.

I still find the whole ordeal with vanta artificial and calling them newbtown after they made like 2 posts borders on leveraging tmi to get a result out of their vote

Most of their posts being answer to other people posting and latching onto that also seems a bit wolfy, idk i dont really see much in the way of original thoughts

I also have trouble following what the want to do like maple is (the only name) in their die section of their reads list but idt thry ever pushed them or talked about them and instead they went after insomnia for micro stuff (imo)



The older i get the more i hate pushing people (especially when i am not uber confident) lol but someome has to do the dirty work

[EnderWiggin]

Okay so... summary I understand is:

Sunbae sussed me for being "gunshy" effectively around "strong players". Of which I think half the player list for me could be assigned the same note.

Which is silly because the players who have a noted good record reading me in any manner aren't really in this game in the first place, and I've shown no signs of tiptoeing around the current players in previous wolf games. (As a whole I tend to consider my wolf game to be "refuge in audacity", though absolutely it has its holes.)

Benneh then "Yasss queeeeeen"s his way into a vote. Which is the second thing that twinges my omgus senses.

Dya's follow on and vote is actually probably very Villa of them. We have traditionally had some very contentious reading of each other. Dya can confirm I'm sure.

I'm not gonna lie kinda frustrated because I seem to end up on the table on D1 no matter what I try to change up if I don't have time to threadcamp, but nyeh.

Anyway, I'm gonna fish out the things I found sus that I wanna talk about outside me being a prickly bastard and disliking people sussing me.

[EnderWiggin]

I skimmed/looked for my own name on catchup so i haven't fully processed the thread tbqh

my general thoughts are that i still feel pretty good about my earlier villa reads, i think benneh's hangup on wisdom talking about your first post feels like villa!benneh, I think sheep had a villagery post that you quoted which i need to reread and process my feelings on, i liked arctic's entrance a lot, think newcomb is significantly more villagery now, and I hate ladd's wolf read on me because it feels not very fleshed out, and like he's just wolf reading me after general thread perception on me soured and he's just trying to add more pressure, so I think of the people pushing me he is currently most likely to be a wolf.

something about enderwiggen pinged me but tbh i don't remember what it was and i've never played with them so i'll probably jsut let that go

This is probably somewhat confbias of me.

But the "Sus on Sheep" translating now to a "Sus on Ender, but idk why" is just a straight up omgus radar for the people championing his wagon. Except he doesn't say that. He vaguely gestures at the edge of the stage like an assistant will come in with a power point presentation anyyyyy minute now...

anyyyy

minuuuuute

nooooow

[EnderWiggin]

And I'm so self-centred I missed the Ladd part in the middle there as well lmao

[EnderWiggin]

Wisdom is probably the top of my "If pressed I'd lean them town but I'm leery of them pocketing me with how hard they're waving their hands and saying I'm town but not really doing much to try and dissuade the people pushing me."

Jan, at least, has actively tried to disagree with the wagon on me. Which does make me townread them more and I absolutely could be a sucker for it but I'm here and I'll stick it for now.

Also sheep is still town.

I debated it last night, slept on it, came back to thread and I just... think their early and mid game thought process reads true to me.

I'm pretty much not gonna accept a wagon on them until at least D3 and even then I'd do a reread first and might come back to defending em.

Sheep is pretty much the top of my town list rn.

[EnderWiggin]

I've probably missed a bunch of people to make reads on. I'm gonna go skim and live for a little bit. Feel free to ask questions oh ye denizens of the thread.

[theknightsofneeee]

This is probably somewhat confbias of me.

But the "Sus on Sheep" translating now to a "Sus on Ender, but idk why" is just a straight up omgus radar for the people championing his wagon. Except he doesn't say that. He vaguely gestures at the edge of the stage like an assistant will come in with a power point presentation anyyyyy minute now...

anyyyy

minuuuuute

nooooow

??? Lmao

I literally said I was letting it go

Can’t please some people I swear

[EnderWiggin]

??? Lmao

I literally said I was letting it go

Can’t please some people I swear

Okay. You know what. If you're gonna be around for a bit I'll engage in you in good faith.

Ladd you said was most sus of people pushing you.
Jan is the one you are pushing rn and have sussed on.

Are those the top two wolfreads you have rn?

[theknightsofneeee]

Okay unironically Cobalt spot-responding mostly to comments about them is rand!wolf for em

Not sure that I agree about this characterization of cobalts play this game

But I agree with the underlying read on cobalt

So I’ll reread cobalt and double check my read there

[EnderWiggin]

Not sure that I agree about this characterization of cobalts play this game

But I agree with the underlying read on cobalt

So I’ll reread cobalt and double check my read there

I'd appreciate it. Cobalt is a sleeper sus of mine. Sleeper because I keep getting distracted by other susses.

[theknightsofneeee]

Okay. You know what. If you're gonna be around for a bit I'll engage in you in good faith.

Ladd you said was most sus of people pushing you.
Jan is the one you are pushing rn and have sussed on.

Are those the top two wolfreads you have rn?

I’ve softened a bit on Ladd because he feels like he is being genuinely solvey, I’ve liked some reads he has brought up, and he seemed surprised that dya and I both read him as trying to bury me, which makes me feel like he has less agenda

I think Jan is my top wolf, I would probably vote Gemma, and outside of those two it gets harder

[ColonelLubriderm]

last night when maple was saying how they had more PR reads than alignment reads, and sheep replied "am i that obvious"; I did not read that as a joke. I truly believe that sheep was saying that they are actually a PR.

I dont want sheep to hard claim, i dont want any more info about this, and in fact this will be the last post I will talk about sheep in any way.

I would ask that everyone join me in this endeavor and thank this post. In doing that, enter into a tacit agreement that, if we fail to kill wolves by day 3 or we reach lylo+2, we then grill sheep about this claim and if they bring nothing to the table we yeet them into oblivion. This is the price you pay for leveraging a power role for clearance.

Yours in werewolf,
-bopolis

[Gemma]

I still find the whole ordeal with vanta artificial and calling them newbtown after they made like 2 posts borders on leveraging tmi to get a result out of their vote

that was a comment about their meta, not their play this game

[EnderWiggin]

Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

First I'll explain my townread of Jan.

I like his early posting. It was that shitposty vibe I consider to be more Jan!town than Jan!wolf. Their thought about the Cobalt post felt like someone actually asking if Cobalt would make that post as wolf (Even if I didn't agree with him.)

And add to that, his defense of me feels more like a defense of a town on a townread, where they're questioning and discussing the reads on me.

But I will give you that I reread his ISO and I did see the "Small read/small read/wall with not much explanation". Which is a ~traditionally wolfy posting pattern.

I did like his questioning of Newcomb's take. (I feel wolves would be more inclined to leave that to lie, especially since Jan was included in that list.)

Summary is:
I will agree the early pattern is there on a level 1 view.

I could be viewing them with rose-tints because of their active defense of me. I definitely can be blindspotted like that, but despite the level 1 pattern you descibe being there the smaller notes (Newcomb read, Cobalt thought, his defense on me, his comment about your tunnel "making sense for you") all make me think more of his villa play and I still don't think I'd vote there.

[EnderWiggin]

last night when maple was saying how they had more PR reads than alignment reads, and sheep replied "am i that obvious"; I did not read that as a joke. I truly believe that sheep was saying that they are actually a PR.

I dont want sheep to hard claim, i dont want any more info about this, and in fact this will be the last post I will talk about sheep in any way.

I would ask that everyone join me in this endeavor and thank this post. In doing that, enter into a tacit agreement that, if we fail to kill wolves by day 3 or we reach lylo+2, we then grill sheep about this claim and if they bring nothing to the table we yeet them into oblivion. This is the price you pay for leveraging a power role for clearance.

Yours in werewolf,
-bopolis

Or you could just accept Sheep as your lord and saviour and move on instead of focusing on pr reads and softs.

It's easy, and you get to relax in the wool of the faith with us.

[Gemma]

I’ve softened a bit on Ladd because he feels like he is being genuinely solvey, I’ve liked some reads he has brought up, and he seemed surprised that dya and I both read him as trying to bury me, which makes me feel like he has less agenda

I think Jan is my top wolf, I would probably vote Gemma, and outside of those two it gets harder

why would you vote me

that's what she said

[EnderWiggin]

My current preferences for votes, btw, are:

The duo of old susses:
Knights
Cobalt

The OMGUS duo:
Sunbae
Benneh

The other two who I haven't explained and idk if I want to atm:
Arctic
Colonel Bop

[EnderWiggin]

Maybe Gemma but I'd have to think about that.

I honestly have glazed over most of Gemma's posts and idk if that's good or bad.

[Gemma]

First I'll explain my townread of Jan.

I like his early posting. It was that shitposty vibe I consider to be more Jan!town than Jan!wolf. Their thought about the Cobalt post felt like someone actually asking if Cobalt would make that post as wolf (Even if I didn't agree with him.)

And add to that, his defense of me feels more like a defense of a town on a townread, where they're questioning and discussing the reads on me.

But I will give you that I reread his ISO and I did see the "Small read/small read/wall with not much explanation". Which is a ~traditionally wolfy posting pattern.

I did like his questioning of Newcomb's take. (I feel wolves would be more inclined to leave that to lie, especially since Jan was included in that list.)

Summary is:
I will agree the early pattern is there on a level 1 view.

I could be viewing them with rose-tints because of their active defense of me. I definitely can be blindspotted like that, but despite the level 1 pattern you descibe being there the smaller notes (Newcomb read, Cobalt thought, his defense on me, his comment about your tunnel "making sense for you") all make me think more of his villa play and I still don't think I'd vote there.

villager

[Gemma]

Vote: knightsofnee

might be back for eod unless i forget

[EnderWiggin]

I do need to head off to sleep. Idk if I'll be around for EOD.

Things I wanna see from Knights:
Their Cobalt thoughts more in depth, especially if they're revisiting it.

I did a reread of Gemma and either I'm too tired or I just glaze over half of her posts. I could vote there but it honestly is such a shrug for me. I think if Knights comes back and I think in the morning I was wrong I'd be more inclined to go like... Cobalt.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vote: Wisdom


I don't believe they locked jan town based on their first post

[Jan]

With benneh busy today I will do the honors and post a pic of our orange cat to calm the masses.

Your are welcome.


Fresh picture. Taken within the hour.
https://i.imgur.com/EyIZZTJ.jpeg

[Jan]

Vote: Wisdom


I don't believe they locked jan town based on their first post

It was the best first post in the game.

Be jealous.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vote: Wisdom


I don't believe they locked jan town based on their first post

I was going through the enderwiggins/gemma and someother isos to make sense of whats going on and it bored the shit out of me. Sometime doing that i saw a wisdom post and remembered them being called town by someone and decided to jump in and see what I thought.

I was reading through it and came across them calling jan town based on his opening being semi-aggressive.


Jan starting with a semi-aggressive thread relevant post is the first town AI thing I've seen this game, temptedto just lock him.

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http://https://open.spotify.com/track/6cIZP8nszUUtkwbxEW6wBN?si=zkDCW6dZQ-6vsRUvAOFuGg

One of the last bangers added to my playlist. Syn although I'm guessing you're already familiar with it!


i pulled jan's opening


Howdy bro! Tell me what’s new going on!

I found a wonderful site with 120 cool and creative ways to say hello and I am going to use them all (or die trying).
This one made me feel a bit like Steve Buscemi which is how I felt about Newcombs last post for some reason. I was ~fine with his other posts but that one gave me fellow kids vibes.

The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early.

Wisdom posting "GOOD MORNING!" (in caps lock) without following up is noted.

I just realized that I could instead make tarot readings.

Sunbae is death.
Cobalt is the hanged man
Stett is empress.
Ben and Bop are lovers
Newcomb is the tower
Ladd can be hierophant

I do not think i would label this as aggressive in any way. I don't think this post alone would or should give someone an indication of Jan's alignment.

What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?

Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta

Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn

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I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just a fyi!

Also think his 9 person PoE is a bit wild and instead of 3-5 wolves i think it probably should be more accurately 2-4 but thats really just a quibble. The only really spicy name in his PoE is sunbae but then he later said they were just town. It just seems like an easy PoE to make and one where i wouldn't be confident that it would actually solve the game.


Wisdom is vibing and hanging out but anything they have said or done that I consider to be relevant to solving the game just falls flat for me and is a position id rather push than any of the other wagons at this point

[didistetter]

Vote: ladd

This is a semi serious FoS, but I acknowledge would probs be imprudent to vote D1 ever

ladd you gave Gemma heat for a consensusy looking list, but your votes and susses have been knights, sheep, ender, and Gemma.

Like.

Anything is possible but that’s the most LHF not stirring shit up group of all time.
I think sheep’s been actively towny, and I acknowledge your back and forth with him and vote swap, but I frankly don’t get how you pushed the sus so long in the first place.

Feels like you kinda didn’t care until you were confronted with live interactions?

I wanna go back through knights with newcomb’s #687 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857520&viewfull=1#post2053857520) in mind, cause I remember asking knights a q after picking up on something similar to the “voxx” special, but some of the other points didn’t fully feel right. Newcomb’s push on knights def feels most genuine of the votes oh him tho—rest felt kinda floaty

Vanta Black I close read your champs game this year :pokemon:

[Jan]

I am frozen right now.

I dislike most pushes but have no real place to go myself.

The fact that others are exploring new avenues right now makes me feel slightly better about it.
Not knowing where I want to go and staring at the player list with more questions than answers is just not helpful.

[ladd]

Vote: ladd

This is a semi serious FoS, but I acknowledge would probs be imprudent to vote D1 ever

ladd you gave Gemma heat for a consensusy looking list, but your votes and susses have been knights, sheep, ender, and Gemma.

Like.

Anything is possible but that’s the most LHF not stirring shit up group of all time.
I think sheep’s been actively towny, and I acknowledge your back and forth with him and vote swap, but I frankly don’t get how you pushed the sus so long in the first place.

Feels like you kinda didn’t care until you were confronted with live interactions?

I wanna go back through knights with newcomb’s #687 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857520&viewfull=1#post2053857520) in mind, cause I remember asking knights a q after picking up on something similar to the “voxx” special, but some of the other points didn’t fully feel right. Newcomb’s push on knights def feels most genuine of the votes oh him tho—rest felt kinda floaty

Vanta Black I close read your champs game this year :pokemon:

For clarity i never suspected ender, in fact gth id say he is a villager rn


Id say the people i have suspctrd at points so far have been like gemma/knights/sheep/benneh/cobalt


Idt people suspcted gemma before i said so but ymmv


Also for gemma-my bad i misunderstood on vanta. Still feel the same way tho

[ladd]

Also think his 9 person PoE is a bit wild and instead of 3-5 wolves i think it probably should be more accurately 2-4 but thats really just a quibble. The only really spicy name in his PoE is sunbae but then he later said they were just town. It just seems like an easy PoE to make and one where i wouldn't be confident that it would actually solve the game

This seems villagery, not wolfy to me

I think wisdom def has a ton of spicy names in their poe

Fwiw meta wise they tend to open with off the wall reads based on very little ime

I dont follow how thats an easy poe to make?

[didistetter]

backreading rn but:


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

VotesTargetVoters
4Theknightsofneeee EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Newcomb, Gemma
3Gemma Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
2Enderwiggen nebjiamn, dyachei
1Dyachei Insomnia
1Sheepsaysmeep Syn
1Jan Theknightsofneeee
1Wisdom ColonelLubriderm
1ladd didistetter
1ColonelLubriderm Vanta Black
1Newcomb Grr
6Not voting Arctic, Sunbae, Jan, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt


assuming montmorency is a lost cause.

Arctic Sunbae Maple Jan C0balt where y'alls heads at friends? :3

im temp off cobalt, but frankly i still want that vote. it felt like he was heavily lurking thread SoD but mostly only engaged when he was the topic of convo. Despite being more free now b/c he finished his witches endgame he mentioned, he's been less present, and there hasn't been any concrete momentum from his slot. I'm confused why no one seems to care much about his slot when top wagons are knights, gemma, ender, and i frankly wonder if its the dif of UTR maf vs UTR/awk town

:soapbox:

[Jan]

backreading rn but:


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

VotesTargetVoters
4Theknightsofneeee EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Newcomb, Gemma
3Gemma Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom
2Enderwiggen nebjiamn, dyachei
1Dyachei Insomnia
1Sheepsaysmeep Syn
1Jan Theknightsofneeee
1Wisdom ColonelLubriderm
1ladd didistetter
1ColonelLubriderm Vanta Black
1Newcomb Grr
6Not voting Arctic, Sunbae, Jan, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt


assuming montmorency is a lost cause.

Arctic Sunbae Maple Jan C0balt where y'alls heads at friends? :3

im temp off cobalt, but frankly i still want that vote. it felt like he was heavily lurking thread SoD but mostly only engaged when he was the topic of convo. Despite being more free now b/c he finished his witches endgame he mentioned, he's been less present, and there hasn't been any concrete momentum from his slot. I'm confused why no one seems to care much about his slot when top wagons are knights, gemma, ender, and i frankly wonder if its the dif of UTR maf vs UTR/awk town

:soapbox:

cobalt posted about stuff going on which kind of bought him a day in my book.
That is all that is too it (I think).

[grr]

This seems villagery, not wolfy to me

I think wisdom def has a ton of spicy names in their poe

Fwiw meta wise they tend to open with off the wall reads based on very little ime

I dont follow how thats an easy poe to make?

this is accurate. wisdom makes snapreads on entries that are not based on much and hence can also be wrong here and then. but it is not wolf-ai for her.

im kinda here but i dont know what to say or what to think. does anyone want me to do a backflip or something?

[grr]

cobalt posted about stuff going on which kind of bought him a day in my book.
That is all that is too it (I think).

he just played a stunning wolf game on mafiauniverse, where he powerwolfed the shit out of village while protecting both of his wolfbuddies who were extremely LHF and still being towncored for it, so yea i assume he would be still distracted emotionally by that. (i didnt read his posts in this game)

[ColonelLubriderm]

This seems villagery, not wolfy to me

I think wisdom def has a ton of spicy names in their poe

Fwiw meta wise they tend to open with off the wall reads based on very little ime

I dont follow how thats an easy poe to make?

who is spicy?

the zero poster?

the shit posters me/maple?

dya/knights/gemma who have all been called wolfy throughout the phase?

vanta?

arctic might be the spiciest one and i dont think its that spicy

and he went bak on sunbae so that doesnt count

[didistetter]

For clarity i never suspected ender, in fact gth id say he is a villager rn


Id say the people i have suspctrd at points so far have been like gemma/knights/sheep/benneh/cobalt


Idt people suspcted gemma before i said so but ymmv


Also for gemma-my bad i misunderstood on vanta. Still feel the same way tho

you said you thought if sheep was a wolf ender was too #682 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857515&viewfull=1#post2053857515)

felt like sus to me, but idk maybe you tr both now.

where would you say you've displayed sus on benneh or cobalt? closest i can find is you saying you liked the evolution of jan's read on cobalt (which was townreading him in response to me than randomly sticking him on "slums" tier in #403 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857236&viewfull=1#post2053857236) ???) and you saying benneh's post on wisdom reminded you of some post from a wolf game maybe but you didnt wanna check.

ladd

[Jan]

I have seen knights as villager tunnel villagers to the ground while I sat on the sidelines (as villager) calling him washed. (the knee v boob drama of 2024)

Him tunneling me now fits the mold in a lot of ways. His new persona seems to be dude stuck in a tunnel.

My main problem with knights is that his second top wolf is gemma who is his counterwagon.
That choice feels like a cop-out and not like an actual wolfread.

[didistetter]

grr i tr you tbh but voting parking newcomb all day kinda feels like a copout imma be so fr

do you still sus him? where's your head at rn?

[Jan]

you said you thought if sheep was a wolf ender was too #682 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857515&viewfull=1#post2053857515)

felt like sus to me, but idk maybe you tr both now.

where would you say you've displayed sus on benneh or cobalt? closest i can find is you saying you liked the evolution of jan's read on cobalt (which was townreading him in response to me than randomly sticking him on "slums" tier in #403 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857236&viewfull=1#post2053857236) ???) and you saying benneh's post on wisdom reminded you of some post from a wolf game maybe but you didnt wanna check.

ladd

I lowered my cobalt read based people telling me I am an idiot.
No man is an island.

[didistetter]

I lowered my cobalt read based people telling me I am an idiot.
No man is an island.

that's fine. but that aint ladd displaying any form of sus on cobalt prior to the poe he mentioned :P

[grr]

grr i tr you tbh but voting parking newcomb all day kinda feels like a copout imma be so fr

do you still sus him? where's your head at rn?

i sus that people didnt think he would be the most funny wagon d1 becuz in my mind that's somehow how i'd see a village-newcomb game would pan out a lot of the time, but literally everyone but me shied away from voting him so either he's a wolf or this game is going is really strange. he didnt really do anything to make me think he's a villa and people just say wow he's obvious now lol. what am i supposed to see? if i was forced to v-read him I'd say its probably becuz he'd solve more as a wolf or something, which ironically is the opposite of what people are telling me.

[didistetter]

Syn curious where you're head is at rn

you've been vote parked on sheep for roughly 500 posts

can you talk more about your sus there? how much has it changed off more recent posting?

[ladd]

who is spicy?

the zero poster?

the shit posters me/maple?

dya/knights/gemma who have all been called wolfy throughout the phase?

vanta?

arctic might be the spiciest one and i dont think its that spicy

and he went bak on sunbae so that doesnt count

You/dya/artic/sunbae(at the time) all seem fairly not consensus to me

Seems like a perfectly reasonable poe for a villager to have imo?

I dont really follow the problem with it but maybr i am missing something


@stett i explicitely said ender was null and my only read was associative with sheep

You can find me saying that i am interested in cobalt in my iso. I cba to quote it nor do i care to tbh

[grr]

If you want me to I can to give a take on every wagon if that helps. I'll reread their posts. (I actually appreciate people telling me to like, do something that's the main reason i make my presence known becuz I kinda have time so I can TRY).

[didistetter]

i sus that people didnt think he would be the most funny wagon d1 becuz in my mind that's somehow how i'd see a village-newcomb game would pan out a lot of the time, but literally everyone but me shied away from voting him so either he's a wolf or this game is going is really strange. he didnt really do anything to make me think he's a villa and people just say wow he's obvious now lol. what am i supposed to see? if i was forced to v-read him I'd say its probably becuz he'd solve more as a wolf or something, which ironically is the opposite of what people are telling me.

imma be so fr: wagon newcomb d1 is funny from villy perspective, but i doubt maf wanna deal with being on a d1 newcomb town flip if he's v, so idk i feel like it would be the opposite?

avoid his slot or pocket him and just get him tf out with the n1k

why do you think people would be more likely to shy away from voting w!newcomb rather than v!newcomb?

[ladd]

I am frozen right now.

I dislike most pushes but have no real place to go myself.

The fact that others are exploring new avenues right now makes me feel slightly better about it.
Not knowing where I want to go and staring at the player list with more questions than answers is just not helpful.

What do you dislike about gemma push?

[didistetter]

the more interesting world is sheep/knights v/v and ladd is giga pocketing me btw

just putting it out there that that's a thought that's been rolling around back there.

ladd's said a truly remarkable number of things i've agreed with this game, including stuff that can't possibly have anything to do with alignment like the d1 vote stickiness thing, which I almost made a post about because i've noticed literally the exact same thing in my game as a kind of unconscious evolution of how people started reacting to me.

I don't say this to have any meaningful moving the needle on anything in the game right now or potentially ever, just to like, give myself a little potential postgame face-saving

oh lol

:campfire: i promise i hadnt seen this yet. i just tr sheeps, knights, and gemma to an extent so thread direction doesnt sit right w/ me

[Maple]

The Lobster?

What did you think, did you like it?

This is important. I might have to change my vote.

It's good, I liked it's use of music for tension

[grr]

ok, first:

Gemma: played one game with them. feels unfazed and genuine to me. gth villager. vibe with this post a lot P#773 which is sole reason enough for me to shield them with my life today even when its nai. I think they have been wolfreading insomnia for something that isnt actually wolfy for him though. worst part is i dont get why they have been towning me cuz in that one game i played with them I played VERY different (deathtunneled 2/3 wolves d1 lol) so i'm not sure if they just forgot or something because genuinely people just love to compare me to my peak games so i kinda expected them to wolfread me. ig i dont really care too much still think its a >rand villagery iso

[dyachei]

ladd, why is ender town to you?

[grr]

the way isos work here makes me wanna selfvote and go play chess or something. so i go to advance thread search, enter the user name, click the search button, and then i still have to click every single post if i want to see the quotes is this real life?

[didistetter]

alright, i tried re-reading but i really can't be bothered. d1 is not my strong suit and especially not in these types of playerlists where im sure i won't have much of an influence on d1 anyway and it's better to let things flow as it is

i will say the reads that i feel fine with for now are

v
stett
grr

probably v
raskolnikov
maple

yolo v
knightsofneeee

the way i read the game rn in terms of wolfreads is prob the worst in terms of playing d1. kinda lost interest because of that. the lunch will probably be some low poster cuz we don't want to lunch the people putting in effort this early and because of this being a COVETED get together of players, so i'll try harder d2. i might come back for EoD if im awake

insomnia can you talk to me bout ur v read on maple pls? ive been reading through them and sunbae's tr on them, and its something im struggling to see, so curious where your manti read is from

[didistetter]

the way isos work here makes me wanna selfvote and go play chess or something. so i go to advance thread search, enter the user name, click the search button, and then i still have to click every single post if i want to see the quotes is this real life?

you can see 100 most recent by going to thread, clicking replies, clicking on name. but yeah its still preview only

its def made me have to readjust my gameplay so far cause my god am i normally iso reliant ~:mecry:

[Maple]

Newcomb knows how to pocket me, I'm cooked

[grr]

knights: just played mashes with him and never paid attention to him in those either. ngl i kinda scumread them for being like, an exemplary villager to start off with reasoned reads and putting a readslist out early etc. which is funny if they are a villager cuz i literally scumread them for doing the right thing. again P#305 is imo a villagery reaction. just surprise. no try to immediately position himself or something, just feels like an honest to god reaction. re-eval on dya also feels genuine. villager imo.

[didistetter]

Is this read based on meta?

Cobalt is a slot I am interested in (prolly not today since they gave cover and i am ok with respecting that for 1 day)

mm.

idk if id consider this a meaningful sus, but ack the post @ ladd

[Maple]

Vote: Gemma

Wagons

[insomnia]

i sus that people didnt think he would be the most funny wagon d1 becuz in my mind that's somehow how i'd see a village-newcomb game would pan out a lot of the time, but literally everyone but me shied away from voting him so either he's a wolf or this game is going is really strange. he didnt really do anything to make me think he's a villa and people just say wow he's obvious now lol. what am i supposed to see? if i was forced to v-read him I'd say its probably becuz he'd solve more as a wolf or something, which ironically is the opposite of what people are telling me.

he's definitely not obvious. my 2 cents

i did say earlier i thought 1 in ladd / newcomb and that ladd would be more likely and that newcomb got "better", but i don't villa read him

[Maple]

Sunbae would you perhaps say that you've over-repped your read on me to some extent? I understand that you're taking the counterpoints to heart and are reevaluating, but it just feels to me that you're presenting it as a relatively strong read when in reality it's more of a d1 blind shot.

[Newcomb]

meant to quote this one so grab my post above this as well

I have a town read on neb because he hasn't really being doing anything that looks like he is positioning himself for the future. He's not making any strong wolf reads to look good later, he's not pocketing people, he's not making sure he's noticed and getting credit for correct statements or preparing anything negative to bring on someone for their incorrect statement. Just kind of sitting here doing his own thing and whenever I catch wolf neb it's because I can see him doing that type of thing you know?

i'm not sure i've actually played with or seen a wolf benneh game so I'll have to take your word for it

I will say that - kind of like the manti thing - while I agree with the framework of the read I'm not sure I can buy into the application here. At least for me, those kinds of forward-thinking wolf moves are extremely difficult to correctly sus out on D1 with no information. They're usually a little more obvious in retrospect with some flips.

[insomnia]

insomnia can you talk to me bout ur v read on maple pls? ive been reading through them and sunbae's tr on them, and its something im struggling to see, so curious where your manti read is from

sure

i didn't really wanna villa read him at first cuz i thought he's NAI, but i went through a re-read and i guess the best way to put it is that he feels genuine when making reads. i've went head to head with him in one of his wolf game and he legit did... nothing. in here it feels like he's having fun while making reads in a really villagery way that most wolves would have problems doing

funnily enough, i get the feel he's more villagery by doing less as opposed to other names who are doing more

the 6-word post thing is a thing most of us got stuck on, i didn't really care about it at first but then i re-read and i bought it. just reading how he solves he seems like a villa, don't really know if that helps. just a vibe thing

also, the way he got hung up on grr read fine to me. naturally i think he'd be forced to do more as a wolf in this PL as opposed to the one he wolfed in with me, so it's not like im giving him credit just for that, but i still think he's vibing more genuine than most

regardless i'd take newcomb / sunbae's word for it on a d1 and assume they either have him nailed or TMI'd, one of the two.

[insomnia]

even their posts on this page look genuine to me, lol

[insomnia]

benneh not having a ladd read #noted

[Newcomb]

i sus that people didnt think he would be the most funny wagon d1 becuz in my mind that's somehow how i'd see a village-newcomb game would pan out a lot of the time, but literally everyone but me shied away from voting him so either he's a wolf or this game is going is really strange. he didnt really do anything to make me think he's a villa and people just say wow he's obvious now lol. what am i supposed to see? if i was forced to v-read him I'd say its probably becuz he'd solve more as a wolf or something, which ironically is the opposite of what people are telling me.

yeeeeah i'd take this one back to the drawing board my friend

especially that second bolded should get a laugh from anyone who actually has seen my wolf game

I feel like you're using some offbrand meta and leaning on it awful hard for someone who at least to my recollection I've never played with

I actually find the angle kinda villagery in an offbeat way - like this really really doesn't feel like someone who has a team and my name has come up in wolfchat

[Maple]

Dist, I'm 100% down for some shenanigans and to go and stir things up by voting with you, but I have a point that's sticking.

When you talked about utr wolves vs utr awk villa who specifically do you mean? Ladd/Cobalt vs knights Gemma sheep?

And again, knights is knights. If he rands vt in this sort of lobby it's *very* easy for him to just drop dead d1. And with that I'm of course all here to shake things up. So, *how* do we shake things up?

[Jan]

What do you dislike about gemma push?

Nothing.

The last 2 games (on here) people wanted my read on gemma because they had trouble getting a grip on her.

The playerbase is not all that different but nobody has asked me till now.
I don't think my gemma read is good. I was wrong the last time around.
Mostly because she told me she was keen to rand wolf and then played a fairly low-effort/underwhelming wolf game.

I dislike knights making gemma his 2nd best wolf pick because it is the counterwagon and feels easy.

I have a very different vote in the back of my head but I just got back and want to get up to date and doublecheck a post before I actually use my god given power.

[Jan]

Vote: Sunbae

[grr]

enderwiggin: have very little experience with him but I think he got sussed for bad reasons. kinda for being overexplanatory or something but to me it felt like his comments were just, genuinely trying to provide some context. which doesnt make it town but also not wolf. they are also doing it so consistently i think its probs just the way they talk. ISO feels okay. yeah I mean I dont really know how else to put this ig i just don't see why they'd be wolfread so probably a villager based on seeming =rand. also seems unfazed in general.

so like.

knights = struggling villager >> enderwiggin seems fine many words > gemma (seems fine but less words so a bit less confidence than ender (lol))

gut feeling is all villas wagoned and wouldnt be surprised if the wolves are in the people no one is gonna yeet d1 anyway (maybe sunbae idk) so nya.

[grr]

Vote: Sunbae

oh lol. convenient

Vote: Sunbae

[Maple]

I've decided I'm ride or die with bop. If he ends up being a wolf, I'm going to pretend this was a joke in post

[Jan]

I think there are two worlds and I doubtpeople will follow me.

We may be somewhat right and this is an easy game but my gut yells at me that we are not.

Or Sunbae is a wolf. (possibly with ladd, but maybe ladd is willing to tell the class about his sunbae read).

[grr]

yeeeeah i'd take this one back to the drawing board my friend

especially that second bolded should get a laugh from anyone who actually has seen my wolf game

I feel like you're using some offbrand meta and leaning on it awful hard for someone who at least to my recollection I've never played with

I actually find the angle kinda villagery in an offbeat way - like this really really doesn't feel like someone who has a team and my name has come up in wolfchat

I aim to please. (I called it a forced read for a reason because no one is explaining their vreads on you very well so I was trying to find reasons they might actually think you are a villager, because the reasons being presented to me looked like nothing to me lol. It's not actually my read.)

[Jan]

enderwiggin: have very little experience with him but I think he got sussed for bad reasons. kinda for being overexplanatory or something but to me it felt like his comments were just, genuinely trying to provide some context. which doesnt make it town but also not wolf. they are also doing it so consistently i think its probs just the way they talk. ISO feels okay. yeah I mean I dont really know how else to put this ig i just don't see why they'd be wolfread so probably a villager based on seeming =rand. also seems unfazed in general.

so like.

knights = struggling villager >> enderwiggin seems fine many words > gemma (seems fine but less words so a bit less confidence than ender (lol))

gut feeling is all villas wagoned and wouldnt be surprised if the wolves are in the people no one is gonna yeet d1 anyway (maybe sunbae idk) so nya.

I had similar thoughts while going for a walk/shopping.

My heart is not into ender or knights wagons at all.
And gemma is shrug coinflip material right now.

None of it feels good.

I would hate to be wrong on sunbae, but it is where my head went several times in the last hour.

[Newcomb]

I think Dya is a pretty obvious villager for reasons of "I read their posts and idk, seems like an obvious villager???" and like, yeah I understand people disagree or w/e and I don't blame them because it's the type of read I can't ever articulate and whenever I try to people just act like I'm making no sense but it seems obvious to me. You asked me for specific posts and I don't have them but just like, go read their posts and ask if they are solving the game or not. And if the things they choose to talk about are based on positioning/looking good/faking reads or based on whatever comes to their mind in the moment.

I can definitely empathize with trying to explain something that seems so self-evident that it needs no explanation. I guess my retort would be... the things you're pointing out seem like fairly generic village things that could apply to basically everyone in the game. Like I'm sure I could pull up a post or two from everyone and say "this is them trying to solve the game" and not be totally laughed out of the room. So I guess why do you believe dya's posts like that vs, say, arctic's or wisdom's?

I'll also say that 'obvious' is a pretty weighted word for me. Despite the conviction with which I sometimes push things, very, very rarely would I call someone's alignment obvious. I think the last time I actually considered someone's alignment self-evident without mechanical proof was like 5 years ago in Mountainous Arson where Cem flipped red and hardcore spewed lissa red because Cem doing literally nothing at EoD instead of showing up and messing around would have literally won them the game if lissa'd been a villager.

[Maple]

the more interesting world is sheep/knights v/v and ladd is giga pocketing me btw

just putting it out there that that's a thought that's been rolling around back there.

ladd's said a truly remarkable number of things i've agreed with this game, including stuff that can't possibly have anything to do with alignment like the d1 vote stickiness thing, which I almost made a post about because i've noticed literally the exact same thing in my game as a kind of unconscious evolution of how people started reacting to me.

I don't say this to have any meaningful moving the needle on anything in the game right now or potentially ever, just to like, give myself a little potential postgame face-saving

My hottest take is that ladd thanking this post is wolfy :wreck:

[Jan]

I aim to please. (I called it a forced read for a reason because no one is explaining their vreads on you very well so I was trying to find reasons they might actually think you are a villager, because the reasons being presented to me looked like nothing to me lol. It's not actually my read.)

I have enjoyed Newcomb starting with his 2nd coming (the first one was kind of mid tbh).

The important part is that I have no respect for his wolfgame and I expect him to struggle as wolf.
Just not really an avenue Newcomb is interested in.
He loves solving, the puzzle and reading other people. Deception is not his game.
At least not back when we played games on dlp.

He won't just roll over and die as wolf, but I am somewhat confident that I can sniff him out and so far he has not pinged me.
That is all.

[Maple]

I aim to please. (I called it a forced read for a reason because no one is explaining their vreads on you very well so I was trying to find reasons they might actually think you are a villager, because the reasons being presented to me looked like nothing to me lol. It's not actually my read.)

My current read on newcomb is almost entirely based on his handling of my slot and so probably isn't worth discussing today.

[Newcomb]

I had similar thoughts while going for a walk/shopping.

My heart is not into ender or knights wagons at all.
And gemma is shrug coinflip material right now.

None of it feels good.

I would hate to be wrong on sunbae, but it is where my head went several times in the last hour.

i'll admit I vibe with that.

I mean if it is ladd/sunbae like REALLY??? come the fuck on that's some bad rng lol

I will say my heart is not really in the knights thing either; it was mostly that he racked up enough generic wolf tell type things that it was like, well, smoke, fire? But it's not a very personal bespoke push that I can get excited about

[ColonelLubriderm]

I've decided I'm ride or die with bop. If he ends up being a wolf, I'm going to pretend this was a joke in post

together we'll usher in a new era and drain the wolves and make werewolf great again

[Jan]

Dya to me is a villager on the same level that ender is. (not that anybody asked)

Both of them have not said anything I dislike and judging them on content alone they are both just fine, but not outside of possible wolf range.

It is a weak read, but sometimes you want to make food and all you have is leftovers.

[Maple]

Draining wolves? Didn't realize this was that kind of website :freak:

[Jan]

together we'll usher in a new era and drain the wolves and make werewolf great again

J.D Maple at your service.
Get a sofa and you are set for life.

[Maple]

Reaaaaaally hope you're village, Jan.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Sunbae

why do you think rasko and jan are wolves? assuming you still feel that way

[Jan]

Reaaaaaally hope you're village, Jan.

https://media.tenor.com/jGcC6ISzK8UAAAAM/kermit-panic.gif

[ColonelLubriderm]

Newcomb why you think ladd is a villa again?

[insomnia]

i think ladd can easily be wolf

dunno about sunbae. i guess?

[grr]

so as i changed to vote sunbae i figured i should also ISO him seperately :curtain:

ok so honestly main reason i just voted him is cuz he was like, sussing 2 of the wagons that are popular now and that i do not read as wolfy. other than that his iso is vibing and base level of reaching out to people/cooperating.

didnt like that he was processing the discussion between maple and me but only made a read on maple. flimsy but fine keeping my vote there to at the very least generate a discussion (my wolfreads are all flimsy because they arent actually wolfreads but just like vague feelings of being potentially a hit).

[Jan]

i think ladd can easily be wolf

dunno about sunbae. i guess?

why ladd more so than sunbae?

[grr]

I have enjoyed Newcomb starting with his 2nd coming (the first one was kind of mid tbh).

The important part is that I have no respect for his wolfgame and I expect him to struggle as wolf.
Just not really an avenue Newcomb is interested in.
He loves solving, the puzzle and reading other people. Deception is not his game.
At least not back when we played games on dlp.

He won't just roll over and die as wolf, but I am somewhat confident that I can sniff him out and so far he has not pinged me.
That is all.

fair enuff (ig one of my issues was that the "love solving, puzzles and reading other people" is something that didn't click with me yet from reading his posts which is why i voted him first in the first place, i mean i assume it's gonna at some point if he's a villa so no biggies...)

[Sunbae]

I won't be around at all after these next few posts and vote. If you think I'm the best vote uh, good luck? Think that's hard to be the case on multiple fronts but I cannot stop you!

Still feel pretty ok with where I've been at. Think I've got a prettttty good swath of the game with reads. Doubt they are all accurate but I'm comfy with the reads and how I got there.

Keep circling back to Rask as my best wolf. Something about calling my reads too consensus while they are getting poo poo'd elsewhere for being too out there just makes me think it was shading and finding a reason to do so that sounds reasonable but hadn't actually been reading my posts or thinking about my reads. I don't think anyone else would call the reads consensus!

Still don't find Jan villagery. Don't see why others do and the only thing I get told when asked is "vibes" which, fair it's day 1, but I counter with "I get vibes that say opposite".

[Sunbae]

Yeah newcomb, I don't call people obvious villagers that often but sometimes I just see it and I'm gonna say it (lan in anni was that way too)

[Newcomb]

Newcomb why you think ladd is a villa again?

Mostly just like, the timing of his statements about me? And the general mindmeld-ness we've had this game; he's said a ton of things that I've thought myself around those same posts.

Specifically he called me a villager just after I started getting into the game and pinged Cobalt for something idk what it was but it was the first time I actually posted something where I felt like I was caring about the game and people's alignments, and then I dipped and gave a general impression of the thread as being mostly villagers based off threadflow and vibes. I liked that ladd went with that as a latching on point. Just felt like idk we were experiencing the same game.

Obviously i've considered several times that i'm just wanting / pocketed.

Don't think I can seriously entertain that D1 just based on how gutted I'd feel seeing that v flip. Like I'd need a true smoking gun.

[Sunbae]

I can definitely empathize with trying to explain something that seems so self-evident that it needs no explanation. I guess my retort would be... the things you're pointing out seem like fairly generic village things that could apply to basically everyone in the game. Like I'm sure I could pull up a post or two from everyone and say "this is them trying to solve the game" and not be totally laughed out of the room. So I guess why do you believe dya's posts like that vs, say, arctic's or wisdom's?

I'll also say that 'obvious' is a pretty weighted word for me. Despite the conviction with which I sometimes push things, very, very rarely would I call someone's alignment obvious. I think the last time I actually considered someone's alignment self-evident without mechanical proof was like 5 years ago in Mountainous Arson where Cem flipped red and hardcore spewed lissa red because Cem doing literally nothing at EoD instead of showing up and messing around would have literally won them the game if lissa'd been a villager.

So like, ok. Let me try to articulate something here:

During this little back and forth I keep getting this ... feeling ... that you're not entirely giving the benefit of the doubt here and trying to see things from my POV and use that to help shape your reads too. I was hoping for a bit of a meld here where I give some thoughts, you not necessarily agree entirely with them but see little things in there that make you think of some other things, and springboard off of that to get some good observational reads back at me. Instead what I've got the feeling of is that you're just kind of responding to me. Like I'm saying "here is my perspective on this player and I'm trying to explain it so you can see it too and give me your input" but you're mostly just saying "meh, idk I mean I see it but I also don't". I want to break them down a bit further:

In this one, at no point did you actually say "hmm, that's interesting. Let me go back and read Dya and see if I see what you're saying". It's just semantics about the word obvious and a bit of a dismissal about the concept as a whole because everyone can seem solvey. Which, FAIR! Everyone can seem solvey but I refuse to let that make me go "wellll good woofs can seem solvey so im not gonna give villa points for people doing that". I'm just gonna call solvey people villagers and if a wolf wants to try to keep up with it all game and fool me then good luck its a long game. And if one fools me for a bit thats fine if its because of that!

It's the same with the Benneh/Neb one! I mean I don't think I'm a goat tier Benneh reader but I do have a lot of experience with Benneh and I think my view on that is worth at least exploring a bit too but it was once again a bit of a macro conceptual retort of "those kinds of forward-thinking wolf moves are extremely difficult to correctly sus out on D1 with no information. They're usually a little more obvious in retrospect with some flips." but you didn't go back and even consider looking at Bennehs posts through those lenses and see if it made anything stand out to you.

And like, even with the Manti one which I think was very helpful for me to start chewing on, it was again a Macro general manti thing and not anything specific about the posts themselves you know?

And like, don't get me wrong I don't think it was anything like "omg i need to reevaluate my whole world view with this new info" but it WAS a very direct attempt to meld with you that I think could have brought at least something new to the table (which would chain react into me finding something new and pew pew pew kinda having us go off) and I don't really feel you had much interest in doing so past just responding to direct posts with macro conceptual responses that sure, make sense, but wasn't reallllly what I was hoping for you know?

And I'm not trying to pout or anything but I find it concerning because this is the type of thing I was expecting to really click with both of us and I feel like it's at least slightly more likely that your respond like this as a wolf than a villager?

[Sunbae]

Now I also recognize that maybe hey, WASHED and not worth going and looking back etc

Totally possible!

[Sunbae]

Sunbae

why do you think rasko and jan are wolves? assuming you still feel that way

I normally read Rask's posts and just vibe with them and here I don't. Then for actual content purposes I've mentioned the shading me for consensus reads doesn't really make much sense to me.

[Sunbae]

I'm chewing on Jan voting me and wondering if it's more likely to come from villa jan so I'll get back to you on that (on day 2 probs)

[ladd]

I won't be around at all after these next few posts and vote. If you think I'm the best vote uh, good luck? Think that's hard to be the case on multiple fronts but I cannot stop you!

Still feel pretty ok with where I've been at. Think I've got a prettttty good swath of the game with reads. Doubt they are all accurate but I'm comfy with the reads and how I got there.

Keep circling back to Rask as my best wolf. Something about calling my reads too consensus while they are getting poo poo'd elsewhere for being too out there just makes me think it was shading and finding a reason to do so that sounds reasonable but hadn't actually been reading my posts or thinking about my reads. I don't think anyone else would call the reads consensus!

Still don't find Jan villagery. Don't see why others do and the only thing I get told when asked is "vibes" which, fair it's day 1, but I counter with "I get vibes that say opposite".

Can you elaborate on why u think jan is a wolf?

Idk if you already said so, sorry i could have missed it

[grr]

Ok so on a skim that Raskol sus is the one I could actually see being true, Sunbar. I had a very dumb feeling about them that I chose not to disclose at the time becuz its such a shitty take but


it was they were treating me in the maple discussion with good faith so they are probably a wolf :curtain:


I think in general their ISO is lacking more care tonally compared to... well all of knights/wiggins/gemma really. I found his comment "gl u reading me" somewhat towny in the moment but probably not enough for an entire d1.

[Sunbae]

My current preferences for votes, btw, are:

The duo of old susses:
Knights
Cobalt

The OMGUS duo:
Sunbae
Benneh

The other two who I haven't explained and idk if I want to atm:
Arctic
Colonel Bop

I didn't even vote you I just said hmmm, these seem sketch and then talked about other people the rest of my posts. Hardly an OMGUS!

[Jan]

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[Jan]

So like, ok. Let me try to articulate something here:

During this little back and forth I keep getting this ... feeling ... that you're not entirely giving the benefit of the doubt here and trying to see things from my POV and use that to help shape your reads too. I was hoping for a bit of a meld here where I give some thoughts, you not necessarily agree entirely with them but see little things in there that make you think of some other things, and springboard off of that to get some good observational reads back at me. Instead what I've got the feeling of is that you're just kind of responding to me. Like I'm saying "here is my perspective on this player and I'm trying to explain it so you can see it too and give me your input" but you're mostly just saying "meh, idk I mean I see it but I also don't". I want to break them down a bit further:

In this one, at no point did you actually say "hmm, that's interesting. Let me go back and read Dya and see if I see what you're saying". It's just semantics about the word obvious and a bit of a dismissal about the concept as a whole because everyone can seem solvey. Which, FAIR! Everyone can seem solvey but I refuse to let that make me go "wellll good woofs can seem solvey so im not gonna give villa points for people doing that". I'm just gonna call solvey people villagers and if a wolf wants to try to keep up with it all game and fool me then good luck its a long game. And if one fools me for a bit thats fine if its because of that!

It's the same with the Benneh/Neb one! I mean I don't think I'm a goat tier Benneh reader but I do have a lot of experience with Benneh and I think my view on that is worth at least exploring a bit too but it was once again a bit of a macro conceptual retort of "those kinds of forward-thinking wolf moves are extremely difficult to correctly sus out on D1 with no information. They're usually a little more obvious in retrospect with some flips." but you didn't go back and even consider looking at Bennehs posts through those lenses and see if it made anything stand out to you.

And like, even with the Manti one which I think was very helpful for me to start chewing on, it was again a Macro general manti thing and not anything specific about the posts themselves you know?

And like, don't get me wrong I don't think it was anything like "omg i need to reevaluate my whole world view with this new info" but it WAS a very direct attempt to meld with you that I think could have brought at least something new to the table (which would chain react into me finding something new and pew pew pew kinda having us go off) and I don't really feel you had much interest in doing so past just responding to direct posts with macro conceptual responses that sure, make sense, but wasn't reallllly what I was hoping for you know?

And I'm not trying to pout or anything but I find it concerning because this is the type of thing I was expecting to really click with both of us and I feel like it's at least slightly more likely that your respond like this as a wolf than a villager?

The fact that both Newcomb and I had posted recently and you only talked to him and fully ignored me did annoy me more than I care to admit.
Glad you got nothing out of it :P

[Sunbae]

Can you elaborate on why u think jan is a wolf?

Idk if you already said so, sorry i could have missed it

vibes mostly

But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.

[ladd]

I've decided I'm ride or die with bop. If he ends up being a wolf, I'm going to pretend this was a joke in post

Anything in particular spurred this post?

[grr]

Ok fine

Vote: Raskolnikov

[Sunbae]

I had specific posts in mind when I expressed my concern, what are you thoughts on them? Think I'm reaching or more of a "generally fine idea just not for Ender here"?

I did talk to you silly :p

[Sunbae]

with that, glgl

[grr]

The fact that both Newcomb and I had posted recently and you only talked to him and fully ignored me did annoy me more than I care to admit.
Glad you got nothing out of it :P

to me that felt like he got a scumread or at least suspicion out of it that he just didnt verbalize. rejection when trying to work with people is generally something I would find suspicious and I'm just projecting that Sunbae would probs too.

[ladd]

vibes mostly

But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.

Alrighty, thx

I am a bit stuck cause i think you are a villager but i also villa read both jan (and somewhat rask) but i KNOW i am v readkng a wolf somewhere so i am pondering whether i am misclearing someone in this trio

I have no interest in lunching none of you today anyway

Newcomb you got any thoughts on jan?

@dya i liked ender fluidiness in giving reads, thry didnt seem to give a fuck and just said what they thought. Gth they are a villager

[ColonelLubriderm]

Anything in particular spurred this post?

we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the best

[Jan]

vibes mostly

But post wise I squinted at him putting me in a "should have a read but don't" tier early in the game, asked why he should have a read on me, and he responded because you did. It felt slimy to me in real time and I haven't shaken that vibe yet.

Not so much on you.
I just didn't see anything you had done lean either way and the fact that ladd was convinced that you me and some else should be early game masons felt like I am missing something.

It was not just ladd having you as villa but very confidently so. I know he can get a confident read on me (one of the few people I have to do work to fool) but having one on you surprised me and I thought I was missing something.

[ladd]

we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the best

Sounds exciting :curtain:

[Jan]

we were talking in neighbor chat that instead of trying to figure each other out we're just gonna roll with it and hope for the best

so you are lovers and mapel is fool.
perfect.

[Sunbae]

Not so much on you.
I just didn't see anything you had done lean either way and the fact that ladd was convinced that you me and some else should be early game masons felt like I am missing something.

It was not just ladd having you as villa but very confidently so. I know he can get a confident read on me (one of the few people I have to do work to fool) but having one on you surprised me and I thought I was missing something.

Hmm, ok! Can you see it from my pov on why I thought it was hmph as a way to shade without expressly shading while blaming someone else for it a little? I can see your pov from it and can be just a misunderstanding on my end.

Second, can you acknowledge the "i did talk to you silly" post cause I specifically asked you questions cause I wanted to talk to you >:(

[Sunbae]

Alrighty, thx

I am a bit stuck cause i think you are a villager but i also villa read both jan (and somewhat rask) but i KNOW i am v readkng a wolf somewhere so i am pondering whether i am misclearing someone in this trio

I have no interest in lunching none of you today anyway

Newcomb you got any thoughts on jan?

@dya i liked ender fluidiness in giving reads, thry didnt seem to give a fuck and just said what they thought. Gth they are a villager

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

[Jan]

Hmm, ok! Can you see it from my pov on why I thought it was hmph as a way to shade without expressly shading while blaming someone else for it a little? I can see your pov from it and can be just a misunderstanding on my end.

Second, can you acknowledge the "i did talk to you silly" post cause I specifically asked you questions cause I wanted to talk to you >:(

Acknowledged. Didn't want you to feel bad, sorry.
I am not surprised you are more prone to bounce an idea of Newcomb than me (even more so if you think I am a wolf).

This whole game has been a weird rollercoaster for me because people have me solid villa, high tier wolf, or haven't given a read on me.
And the reasonings are all over the place and I have some trouble parsing it right now.

Very few light reads on me which feels odd and wrong.

[grr]

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

~:wave:

[Jan]

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

that is how I got to you. which is not helpful because I liked your reaction to newcomb a lot. :P

[Jan]

~:wave:

you are a villager. go back into your mine and make me profit.

[Sunbae]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

[ColonelLubriderm]

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

wisdom

[Sunbae]

Acknowledged. Didn't want you to feel bad, sorry.
I am not surprised you are more prone to bounce an idea of Newcomb than me (even more so if you think I am a wolf).

This whole game has been a weird rollercoaster for me because people have me solid villa, high tier wolf, or haven't given a read on me.
And the reasonings are all over the place and I have some trouble parsing it right now.

Very few light reads on me which feels odd and wrong.

<3

I feel similar! Like, I think I've been one of the most villagery people and I have some that agree some that are neutral and some wolf reading me! And I don't know if I'm just being *bad* and focusing on the wrong things or not.

[ladd]

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

With rask ks a bit of a superficial read but we have been v/v like the last 5ish games on here i feel and i am usually good at picking up differences in play after randing same alignment a bunch

Jan i thought was obvious from like super early? People not agreeing has me wondering a bit but also woth him i am coming off a couple lf games as v/v where we played off each other a bunch and this feels the same to me



I think most people have at least gotten a look besides like maybe artic/bop? Also stett but they are not worth considering iyam

Curious if u have thoughts on gemma

[Sunbae]

~:wave:

Hi!

I'm going to iso you now and come out with a READ

[Jan]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

Syn is in his town meta from what I can tell.
I am kind of too lazy to look the start differences between his game again.
But rask had the same read and I don't think it is wrong. (and I doubt rask would bother to fake that read if w/w because it outs both of them)

stett feels like the most obvious villager in the game. I do not know her wolf game well.

Wisdom - has me pocketed for now. I just know I have rose-coloured glasses on and thus my opinion has little value.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

didistetter has been the most obvious town to me idk

I just think she is aggressively probing around in a genuinely wants to sort people way. every time she replies to something with a bunch of questions im like ok ur obvious town. not really familiar with what her towngame / wolfgame look like tho.

[grr]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

Stetter is my only v-read i kinda believe in? Their reaction to benneh, especially having a very quirky and accurate expectation of what v.benneh would do, seemed really towny to me. also kinda read their progression on me as towny. She is deadass gonna be the n1 im calling it.

Wisdom I had no read on but seeing her name makes me cringe cuz she is lynchbait in every other game and the case that was made against her didnt super vibe with me cuz at least some of the stuff seemed like things I'm seeing in her v-games a lot (by bop i think)

Syn I'm drawing an absolute blank. Montmorency also exists I have no idea if he posted by now but Ig 0posters are TOO boring.

[sheepsaysmeep]

damn I really hate popping in like that

I like to start with like a random joke post or something

[sheepsaysmeep]

wow we really all mindmelded on stett obvious town

[sheepsaysmeep]

mindmeld is probably the wrong term

[Sunbae]

yesyesyes this is the type of thing we need to do, especially if multiple people are saying they are a bit stuck

collaborative breakdowns of stuff and talking through each others blind spots.

will lock in didistetter as town

[didistetter]

Dist, I'm 100% down for some shenanigans and to go and stir things up by voting with you, but I have a point that's sticking.

When you talked about utr wolves vs utr awk villa who specifically do you mean? Ladd/Cobalt vs knights Gemma sheep?

And again, knights is knights. If he rands vt in this sort of lobby it's *very* easy for him to just drop dead d1. And with that I'm of course all here to shake things up. So, *how* do we shake things up?

assuming im dist :P

im not really sure utr is right word if thats what i said:

more like, it felt like thread was coalescing around slots like sheep/knights/ender/gemma, who, no offence, seem kinda LHF in the context of this game.

I fully understand mafia can and often are in LHF positions, i'm just not sold on that being the case here.

Colbalt, on the other hand, is in the weird postion of being a lower impact slot, but hasn't had as much concrete pushing and sussing, and that kinda raises flags for me.

ik jan mentioned he was busy, i'll go back to try to look for what cobalt may have said wrt slank cover, im just struggling to believe in the top wagons when there's some stuff from each of them i find as actively towny.

does that make sense? Maple

frankly if i had to label anyone as potentially UTR scum it would be like... idk maybe a maf in you/isomn/dya

[Sunbae]

ok skimming through grr seems villagery too right? is anyone in disagreement there?

also hi grr!

[Maple]

Anything in particular spurred this post?

his last like half dozen posts

[Newcomb]

yeah im kinda stuck if people are v reading rask/jan too (and like im kinda shaky on the jan one atm)

why dont we totally pivot for a min
whos someone nobody is really talking about

wisdom. artic

monty lol

btw i'm gonna let that long post you had to me sit for a bit. I feel some kinda way about it but i'm not sure exactly how to dig into it.

I guess one thing i'll say yeah I'll cop to a certain amount of forcing it - the idea of realtime bouncing ideas off someone particularly people in this game like you, benneh, ladd etc is intellectually appealing but also something that kinda has to organically happen. Like, i'll be real you said go open dya's iso and read it and I just didn't because I didn't feel like it, because I can't remember anything dya's done this game that made me like, perk up or tilt my head one way or another. And while I probably *could* mine dya's iso and find something to talk about, I just don't feel the drive or desire to do so when you're giving me a starting point of like 'they're obvious town, they're solving the game, there's a lack of wolf motivation in their posts.' That's just... not interesting enough to me.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

wisdom i talked about, tldr: didnt like jan read, was vibing with thread but i found nothing villagy; and a third thing i disliked was there 9 person PoE but earlier i couldnt really articulate why it pinged me so but to me it just felt like a list of people who are low presence or already being wolfread or just fucking around that they could just easily pivot between depending on what happens in the future and for me it read like a way to keep options open and read wolfy to me

[Jan]

assuming im dist :P

im not really sure utr is right word if thats what i said:

more like, it felt like thread was coalescing around slots like sheep/knights/ender/gemma, who, no offence, seem kinda LHF in the context of this game.

I fully understand mafia can and often are in LHF positions, i'm just not sold on that being the case here.

Colbalt, on the other hand, is in the weird postion of being a lower impact slot, but hasn't had as much concrete pushing and sussing, and that kinda raises flags for me.

ik jan mentioned he was busy, i'll go back to try to look for what cobalt may have said wrt slank cover, im just struggling to believe in the top wagons when there's some stuff from each of them i find as actively towny.

does that make sense? Maple

frankly if i had to label anyone as potentially UTR scum it would be like... idk maybe a maf in you/isomn/dya

Cobalt didn't sound busy.
more like something between depression and mental breakdown.

The other kind of busy.

[ladd]

ok skimming through grr seems villagery too right? is anyone in disagreement there?

also hi grr!

Nah they are an obvious villager

@stett i think most people havent been pushing cobalt cause they gave cover for d1 (at least me and jan)

[Jan]

ok skimming through grr seems villagery too right? is anyone in disagreement there?

also hi grr!

tier 3 villager.
condemned to never leave the mine.
but we bought a sparkling chain and everything. bespeckled with gems mined in our own mine!

[Sunbae]

wisdom. artic

monty lol

btw i'm gonna let that long post you had to me sit for a bit. I feel some kinda way about it but i'm not sure exactly how to dig into it.

I guess one thing i'll say yeah I'll cop to a certain amount of forcing it - the idea of realtime bouncing ideas off someone particularly people in this game like you, benneh, ladd etc is intellectually appealing but also something that kinda has to organically happen. Like, i'll be real you said go open dya's iso and read it and I just didn't because I didn't feel like it, because I can't remember anything dya's done this game that made me like, perk up or tilt my head one way or another. And while I probably *could* mine dya's iso and find something to talk about, I just don't feel the drive or desire to do so when you're giving me a starting point of like 'they're obvious town, they're solving the game, there's a lack of wolf motivation in their posts.' That's just... not interesting enough to me.

You know, fair! I blame my poor ability to articulate things and always condensing them to generic "vibes" "obvious" "solving" when there's more to it I'm just shit at explaining it and think that gets the point across enough.

[dyachei]

kind of hate being called UTR when I've been in the top 3 posters for most of the game. i flat out refuse to write walls

wisdom i really suck at reading

syn i was wrong on last game but he feels like he doesnt gaf so gth villager

i think ladd is v

[Sunbae]

wisdom i talked about, tldr: didnt like jan read, was vibing with thread but i found nothing villagy; and a third thing i disliked was there 9 person PoE but earlier i couldnt really articulate why it pinged me so but to me it just felt like a list of people who are low presence or already being wolfread or just fucking around that they could just easily pivot between depending on what happens in the future and for me it read like a way to keep options open and read wolfy to me

Ok let me iso (im running out of posts but i feel like we're all really starting to get shit rolling now which, darn at the lack of posts left but hopefully someone can keep the ball rolling)


saving a post: how are people on arctic? think I had a "seems villagery enough" read late night iso last night but haven't seen many talk there lately

[dyachei]

fwiw sunbae, i could easily be wrong on jan, i'm not locked in

[Jan]

I am having a really really really bad day and I wanted to re-read but I went back to do that and had a visceral reaction where my brain is yelling no at me.

I will check in later. :/

Stett this is what I was talking about in regards to Cobalt.

[dyachei]

Stett this is what I was talking about in regards to Cobalt.

I wouldnt push cobalt today

[Newcomb]

Cobalt didn't sound busy.
more like something between depression and mental breakdown.

The other kind of busy.

yeah i'll be honest i'm pretty squarely just giving cobalt a daypass based on the non-game things they've talked about ITT. More of a courtesy thing than anything that has to do with alignments. I have more of a mental map of cobalt's v game than his wolf game and I'm ~fairly confident I can get a good read there if/when he shows up for real

[Jan]

Ok let me iso (im running out of posts but i feel like we're all really starting to get shit rolling now which, darn at the lack of posts left but hopefully someone can keep the ball rolling)


saving a post: how are people on arctic? think I had a "seems villagery enough" read late night iso last night but haven't seen many talk there lately

I had him leaning villa for some early convoluted stream-of-thought post that felt genuine.
Someone said that is just arctic NAI.

[Newcomb]

Newcomb you got any thoughts on jan?

None worth mentioning. I guess similar to how he's reading me, with Jan i'm not really looking for any specific villager thing it's more of a negative space thing where if they haven't really bothered me after X arbitrary amount of time they're more likely just v. Which, yeah, barely seems worth mentioning.

Magic 8 ball says ask again later basically

[ColonelLubriderm]

im going to assume the meta of newcomb obviously not loving to be a wolf is true and not worry about him for now because he doesnt really come off to me as struggling or even unhappy. I would go as far to say he is probably enjoying himself and if i am misunderstanding the meta or its accuracy i'll re-evaluate.

I believe jan said something about this and at least one another but i dont recall who.

[Maple]

Does anyone have strong thoughts on didistetter, wisdom, and syn? I realize I've just not internalized a read on these three and would like to do so. I had mild towny vibes but would like more input. (for didistetter it was for the neb interaction and jan questions, for wisdom it was just general vibes, for syn it was the "first game with newcomb and im in love, lock town" post that just felt good but like, if im stuck i wanna solidify stuff and get input ya)

I think dist is presenting a good mindset, but i'm not exactly sold on they themself delivering on it as of yet. I may or may not have touched on this earlier, I don't remember.

No read on syn.

Wisdom im flipflopping on.

[sheepsaysmeep]

I get not having me as a villager but i feel newcomb should be obvious atp?

I think it'd make the game easier for you to sort if you consider newcomb v, just saying this cause i think you are prob a villager who is tinfoiling nefarious me/newcomb wolf worlds in his mind that wont come true

Hope it helps

towny post

[didistetter]

ladd

This is probably not extremely fair, but I suspect this is probably the type of game where benefit of the doubt and being willing to explain are needed so:

I think one of the things kinda bugging me about you is that your early prods felt more like something you thought you could do or should do rather than reads you actually believed in.

I think the biggest hangup for me in these sense was your push on sheep

Im a bit biased, but coming of a w/w/w rand in anni with both you and sheep, his early game feels miles different than how he played wolf there, or how I’ve seen him play wolf before. Blah blah meta read, ikik, but the reasoning and thought process just felt so starkly different here to me

Like

Between

#96 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856903&viewfull=1#post2053856903”]#70[/URL] And [URL="https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053856929&viewfull=1#post2053856929) I was practically ready to town core him. It’s ramble yeah, but it shows way more process and thought than I’ve seen from wolf!sheep before

And, this is where it probs gets unfair, but I kinda think if I see that, you should have seen that? Disagreements are always gonna happen in maf, but your early call out on sheep felt very nitpicky and like you didn’t have real interest in him. Maybe I’m projecting there, but that’s why I’m writing this tbh. It reminded me of recent games I’ve specced where wolves pushed obvitown because thread let them get away with it and because the obvitown had an awkward posting style no one wanted to bother to interact with.

Also, it straight up reminds me of how I’ve seen you formulate pushes and ita shotlists as a wolf in musical theater mash and anni.

I could easily just be wrong on sheep and you could be right, or you could just be wrong, being wrong happens.

But idk, I feel like when I’ve seen ou play town you had really solid reasons for your scum call outs. And I don’t see that here

[Arctic]

Sunbae would you perhaps say that you've over-repped your read on me to some extent? I understand that you're taking the counterpoints to heart and are reevaluating, but it just feels to me that you're presenting it as a relatively strong read when in reality it's more of a d1 blind shot.

what are you trying to get out of this question

[Maple]

i should finish reading before i post

im 2 posts in a row on posts-i-would-have-revised-if-i-kept-reading

[Maple]

what are you trying to get out of this question

Either sunbae agrees or disagrees with the statement.

[didistetter]

I think dist is presenting a good mindset, but i'm not exactly sold on they themself delivering on it as of yet. .

what in the hedge is this lmao

can you reword this/expand on this pls? i have no idea what you're saying ngl

[Arctic]

sure

i didn't really wanna villa read him at first cuz i thought he's NAI, but i went through a re-read and i guess the best way to put it is that he feels genuine when making reads. i've went head to head with him in one of his wolf game and he legit did... nothing. in here it feels like he's having fun while making reads in a really villagery way that most wolves would have problems doing

funnily enough, i get the feel he's more villagery by doing less as opposed to other names who are doing more

the 6-word post thing is a thing most of us got stuck on, i didn't really care about it at first but then i re-read and i bought it. just reading how he solves he seems like a villa, don't really know if that helps. just a vibe thing

also, the way he got hung up on grr read fine to me. naturally i think he'd be forced to do more as a wolf in this PL as opposed to the one he wolfed in with me, so it's not like im giving him credit just for that, but i still think he's vibing more genuine than most

regardless i'd take newcomb / sunbae's word for it on a d1 and assume they either have him nailed or TMI'd, one of the two.

what villagery reads is he making

what posts on this page were genuine? the more he says "omg x is pocketing me" the more i want to kill him. just seems fake

[Sunbae]

what are you trying to get out of this question

oh i missed that question

nah like, im not overstating reads i had the combo of first six words and the harping on a thing and just thought thats a villager and said so

though ive been kind of talked down to more of a "maybe i just want it to be the case" since then. but at the time it was real

[Maple]

what in the hedge is this lmao

can you reword this/expand on this pls? i have no idea what you're saying ngl

i didnt see you responded to me at the time im reading that right now lol

[Arctic]

Dist, I'm 100% down for some shenanigans and to go and stir things up by voting with you, but I have a point that's sticking.

When you talked about utr wolves vs utr awk villa who specifically do you mean? Ladd/Cobalt vs knights Gemma sheep?

And again, knights is knights. If he rands vt in this sort of lobby it's *very* easy for him to just drop dead d1. And with that I'm of course all here to shake things up. So, *how* do we shake things up?

how is making an uninspired naked vote on the counterwagon shaking things up exactly

[grr]

you are a villager. go back into your mine and make me profit.

Jan you are worrying me. I didnt look through your ISO yet so I have no desire to vote you, but I keep seeing a lot of your posts in realtime and I dont think I have specifically gotten townpinged by any of them yet.

Also this take on me. I dont know the one time you wolfed against me, was a mash, you kinda posed as having an authority for reading me. I do believe you are a good player so a correct read is not super strange, but your confidence does feel off based on the limited experience and also I am not sure if you have ANY experience with my wolfgame? Because I kinda feel like that contrast is somewhat necessary to be aware of to have solid conviction (then its probably rather easy tho)

[Maple]

anyway loading into a game of league with a bad bitch gonna try not to feed

[Jan]

Congratulations Sunbae!

69 posts! you reached the unofficial post limit. Only sadness from here.

(I am close behind and will try to minimize my posting for the next couple of hours. expect that I am around and reading along if you have questions.)

[Jan]

Jan you are worrying me. I didnt look through your ISO yet so I have no desire to vote you, but I keep seeing a lot of your posts in realtime and I dont think I have specifically gotten townpinged by any of them yet.

Also this take on me. I dont know the one time you wolfed against me, was a mash, you kinda posed as having an authority for reading me. I do believe you are a good player so a correct read is not super strange, but your confidence does feel off based on the limited experience and also I am not sure if you have ANY experience with my wolfgame? Because I kinda feel like that contrast is somewhat necessary to be aware of to have solid conviction (then its probably rather easy tho)

I claimed a great read on wisdom for a long long time just by never having seen her be a wolf.
Do not underestimate my hubris.

I think a lot of my confidence comes from hosting the anon game and watching you play there.

[didistetter]

wow we really all mindmelded on stett obvious town

im not ovi town and im not polarized and i could totally be wolf here and maf should keep me alive till endgame :hide:

[ColonelLubriderm]

I've found jan's posting today more villagy then anything he's posted previously;

ladd im mildly concerned about but i have no real articulations for this concern nor do I believe i have a reading ability of ladd that people should also be concerned because I say so

knights/ender i dont really have anything to say about as i dont care to delve into their isos again. i know the following is true for knights and i think it would probably be true for ender but I think their alignment becomes more clear with time and rather than throwing darts at guessing on them.

Gemma i dont think i've played with so i have no idea on meta but they seem to be just fucking around however i still cant get over seeing stett and syn's opening posts and deciding that syn is the villagy one; sure its an early day throwaway comment but i cant get it out of my mind.

i dont remember why i liked arctic; im going to go ahead and rescind that until i can remember

we can talk about cobalt tomorrow

insomnia pushing on dyachei probably villagy but that depends on how serious he wanted or thought it could go through

i have no thoughts on grr and with everyone seeming tolike them im just gonna shrug and go with it

maple is the best neighbor i could ask for

currently leaning on yeeting wisdom/gemma

would advocate for a vig to shoot vanta

i reserve the right to replace gemma with arctic and sending gemma to vig rand depending on how i feel about arctic later.

anyone on the playerlist i havent talked about?

[grr]

I claimed a great read on wisdom for a long long time just by never having seen her be a wolf.
Do not underestimate my hubris.

I think a lot of my confidence comes from hosting the anon game and watching you play there.

So that anon game you hosted. I pushed 2/3 wolves d1 there. I was extremely confident I found 2 wolves and wagoned them both up all day and asked the other to be shot.

It was very different. It was a unicorn game for me tbh lol.

I wish I could converse with people longer but due to postcap I'll conserve my posts now sorry (also shameless pretense to make other people impact our d1 yeet more cause i dont really feel like I know what im doing)

[Montmorency]

I underestimated how busy I would be this week, so I won't be contributing anything of substance D1, other than my vote. Anyone got a vote count?

[ladd]

I've found jan's posting today more villagy then anything he's posted previously;

ladd im mildly concerned about but i have no real articulations for this concern nor do I believe i have a reading ability of ladd that people should also be concerned because I say so

knights/ender i dont really have anything to say about as i dont care to delve into their isos again. i know the following is true for knights and i think it would probably be true for ender but I think their alignment becomes more clear with time and rather than throwing darts at guessing on them.

Gemma i dont think i've played with so i have no idea on meta but they seem to be just fucking around however i still cant get over seeing stett and syn's opening posts and deciding that syn is the villagy one; sure its an early day throwaway comment but i cant get it out of my mind.

i dont remember why i liked arctic; im going to go ahead and rescind that until i can remember

we can talk about cobalt tomorrow

insomnia pushing on dyachei probably villagy but that depends on how serious he wanted or thought it could go through

i have no thoughts on grr and with everyone seeming tolike them im just gonna shrug and go with it

maple is the best neighbor i could ask for

currently leaning on yeeting wisdom/gemma

would advocate for a vig to shoot vanta

i reserve the right to replace gemma with arctic and sending gemma to vig rand depending on how i feel about arctic later.

anyone on the playerlist i havent talked about?

if it helps i am becoming increasingly confident you are a villager (not related to this post). also off the top of my head you are missing dya/benneh/sunbae/sheep

i have some time on a pc until i receive a call so will try do some not skimmed reading before eod


btw post cap is fixed also for eod so pay attention to not waste too many posts everyone


insomnia can you condense in 1 post why you think i could be a wolf?

[didistetter]

nebjiamn how good is sunbae at having pure/inno tone as maf?
dyachei not trying to call your play utr, just saying that you could be a potential scum i'm not seeing. it feels like bulk of your posts are more reactive than proactive, and i understand that can happen when you get overpushed as town, but idk it feels like you've talked more about being hype for the game than you've actually show hype/interest in your posts. Talk to me about your ender vote? what do you not like about him? why is that the best wagon for you atm?

[didistetter]

I underestimated how busy I would be this week, so I won't be contributing anything of substance D1, other than my vote. Anyone got a vote count?


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

VotesTargetVoters
4Theknightsofneeee EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Newcomb, Gemma
4Gemma Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Maple
2Enderwiggen nebjiamn, dyachei
1Dyachei Insomnia
1Sheepsaysmeep Syn
1Jan Theknightsofneeee
1Wisdom ColonelLubriderm
1ladd didistetter
1ColonelLubriderm Vanta Black
1Raskolnikov Grr
1SunbaeJan
4Not voting Arctic, Sunbae, Montmorency, C0balt

[ladd]

re skimming rask real quick i count exactly 1 villa read and a bunch of wolf reads

they just feel like a villager who is low on time and is pushing on what they found wolfy without really caring about how other people perceive it at all

Some of their wolf reads may be a bit sloppy but its not the wolfy kind of sloppy iyam

[Arctic]

assuming im dist :P

im not really sure utr is right word if thats what i said:

more like, it felt like thread was coalescing around slots like sheep/knights/ender/gemma, who, no offence, seem kinda LHF in the context of this game.

I fully understand mafia can and often are in LHF positions, i'm just not sold on that being the case here.

Colbalt, on the other hand, is in the weird postion of being a lower impact slot, but hasn't had as much concrete pushing and sussing, and that kinda raises flags for me.

ik jan mentioned he was busy, i'll go back to try to look for what cobalt may have said wrt slank cover, im just struggling to believe in the top wagons when there's some stuff from each of them i find as actively towny.

does that make sense? Maple

frankly if i had to label anyone as potentially UTR scum it would be like... idk maybe a maf in you/isomn/dya

name a more iconic duo than fuppies and thinking all the wagons are town / the consensus is wrong

[Newcomb]

Gonna do a quick little exercise to see where i'm at

1. dyachei
the cactus of mafia

2. Arctic
why use many word when one word do trick

3. Didistetter
threadspewed v

4. Vanta Black
wolves probably know they need town to put KP on this slot to win

5. nebjiamn
intentional chill vibes, sadly more organic vibes would be easier to read

6. Sunbae
recent call to action and stirring the pot might just be the most villagery thing they've done

7. Raskolnikov
staring at my screen for upwards of 10 seconds thinking of a word to type

8. Ladd
pocket penguin

9. Jan
very Jan

10. Gemma
immoveable, if pushed will probably just lurk and post bird jpegs

11. grr
doesn't feel like they have a team

12. EnderWiggin
getting heat, i'm fine with it, do your thing

13. insomnia
very interested in a D2 here

14. Wisdom
????

15. Syn
reasons to v read them probably shouldn't cut it at this point

16. ColonelLubriderm
solid, present, weighty

17. Newcomb
wop wop wop wop wop dot fuck em up

18. Maple
wish I understood manti more than I do

19. Montmorency
[image missing]

20. Theknightsofneeee
Show me something

21. C0balt
daypass

22. sheepsaysmeep
Who'd be partners with sheep in a sheep w world? is my current thought

[sheepsaysmeep]

I thinkkk ender wiggins trended upward for me. I think his catchup might actually be like a shining beacon of towniness, potentially. pending how strong he is as a wolf

something in particular is that their treatment of me doesn't really benefit them as wolf. you would think that if theyre top townreading me they would try to make it have some pocketing-me equity. but it is way too extreme to be a pocket. keeps repeating "sheepsaysmeep is obvious town". "sheepsaysmeep is at the top of my list." even referred to me as a lord and savior

I think this is not what a pocket looks like but actually closely resembles some of the language I've been tempted to use. im regularly going extreme and being like "lol unironically this thing this person did is obvious lock town" blah blah



one thing that raised my eyebrow is the whole jan defending ender thing. that whole thing raised my eyebrow. I feel like: ender has been sussed for a very specific thing: couple scummy posts about Insom Page 6 and Newcomb. I havent really seen more general suspicion of his play. Then Jan sorta defended ender from vague playstyle suspicion, but I felt like jan didnt really express *townread* of ender (might be wrong). Then ender was like, "jan defending me just feels like a town defending a townread. he just feels really town, but I could be pocketed." something like that. that did feel a bit fake from


but his catchups just read very villagery to me idk if I would be able to explain that much further

[Arctic]

kind of hate being called UTR when I've been in the top 3 posters for most of the game. i flat out refuse to write walls

wisdom i really suck at reading

syn i was wrong on last game but he feels like he doesnt gaf so gth villager

i think ladd is v

didn't syn not care as wolf either though? seems like a weird read to have especially given you got him wrong last game lol

[Arctic]

thoughts on catch up

- i think sheep has finally made some better posts - his pushback on ladd seemed kinda villagery, his sunbae read was also decent. dunno how much i'd say they are exuding towniness though rather than just being fine. i don't understand how he has ender as his 5th highest townread though, that just feels bizarre. didn't find the later explanation convincing since it just seemed to be based on ender melding with sheep over early takes which could easily be a play coming from a wolf for obvious reasons (and he even recognizes the potential for pocketing but doesn't seem to care). overall still might vote him but i kinda want to kill someone else now (gemma)

- ladd calling out gemma's vote on vanta has me also wanting to vote there, among other things (like.. their entire body of work being random one liners based on vibes followed by an uninspired read list). like they didn't engage with vanta when they did post or comment on their posts at all - she just said they "had newbtown vibes and would be able to clear them easily based on something later" which kinda feels predicated on TMI to me idk. however i do think she's still playing kinda differently to her last wolfgame and was more overtly wolfy there so.. meh

- i feel like i probably need to take a stance on knights but like. i'm struggling honestly. i saw newcomb's case and nodded along so i guess i'm fine enough with voting him. i feel like the point about focusing on defense also applies to sheep, though, arguably even moreso

- adding newcomb to my towns because his paranoia on ladd kinda to save post-game face felt villagery, and i think his approach to vanta is also pretty good (wolves wouldnt want to give that slot an opportunity to clear itself if town, and if wolf idk i guess it matters less but i'll worry about that later)

- i think rask is town (based on sunbae read and maple read, feels out there enough imo)

- i'm kinda coming around to insomnia's view that quite a few of the wolves are in people that we probably just aren't gonna kill today. the trio of sunbae/benneh/manti in particular has a number of weird overly charitable reads given to each other which i don't really believe and none have really towntold for me (with the latter two kind of pinging me). i still think we could be wagoning a wolf in knights or gemma though

- i still think it's kinda naive to townread manti for the "first 6 words" post. i get that in isolation that post is villagery. but manti is a smooth wolf capable of faking that and this inquisitive mindset hasn't been consistent - there aren't more moments of this, it was a one-off thing in a backdrop of posts that just.. aren't solving lol. the number of "if i was wolf posts" or "i wish i was a wolf" just feel like the type of openwolf meming that people have fun with too

- ender's recent posts are decent, think his semi-omgus/snapback on sunbae was villagery as well as the way he explained his knights ping and other reads based on the way those players are speaking about his slot

- the reasons bop gave to suspect wisdom are mostly things she is often suspected for as town because she has a kinda esoteric playstyle. not that she can't be a wolf here but i just didn't find those points convincing. i agree with the jan read feeling like TMI but shrug. one post at sod and the rest of her content is fine

[didistetter]

name a more iconic duo than fuppies and thinking all the wagons are town / the consensus is wrong

thats a me problem not a fuppy problem. they learned it from me

if i had to i would probs vote knights before gemma, but i dont love either option

cant be around much this afternoon b/c work, but ill try to get home pre-eod

i think i kinda townread jan. thats extremely not normal for me and im trying to figure out what that means since i tend to perma scum him :drummer:

[Wisdom]

kind of hate being called UTR when I've been in the top 3 posters for most of the game. i flat out refuse to write walls

wisdom i really suck at reading

syn i was wrong on last game but he feels like he doesnt gaf so gth villager

i think ladd is v

Might be able to pop in again later, but skimmed a bit and this post pings me. Dya's the best player at reading me in this PL and usually catches me d1 when I'm wolfing, I've never seen them doubt me like this.

[dyachei]

didn't syn not care as wolf either though? seems like a weird read to have especially given you got him wrong last game lol

that's exactly why I gave the caveat I did. And yes, he dgaf as either alignment, he could easily be a wolf here and he might be. If I had to give a read on him that's what i would read him as currently

not sure why you think i was like...defending him or pushing hard on that read or like I want anyone to follow me on that read

[dyachei]

Might be able to pop in again later, but skimmed a bit and this post pings me. Dya's the best player at reading me in this PL and usually catches me d1 when I'm wolfing, I've never seen them doubt me like this.

you're thinking of someone else, I always have problems reading you. like every single game I've said something along these lines.

[ColonelLubriderm]

if it helps i am becoming increasingly confident you are a villager (not related to this post). also off the top of my head you are missing dya/benneh/sunbae/sheep

i have some time on a pc until i receive a call so will try do some not skimmed reading before eod


btw post cap is fixed also for eod so pay attention to not waste too many posts everyone


insomnia can you condense in 1 post why you think i could be a wolf?

benneh is certainly an alignment that's for sure. and i have thoughts on it but im not specifically saying it for reasons which will certainly make everyone roll their eyes when i say it tomorrow;

dya i havent found as overwhelmingly villagy as sunbae has but like some others, for me their alignment becomes more clear overtime and i am fine giving them that time so i can get that read. caveat, i havent played with them in a smaller game in who knows how long so the things im looking for may or may not apply anymore, either way i still think time is the best solution

read my earlier post from about 6 hours ago wrt sheep

sunbae ive been tinfoiling as w/w with dya or maybe just TMI'ing dya V but there are posts of his that I like and make me think its just me worrying about monsters in the closet. I don't love the read on jan and i personally didnt find rasko wolfy. I dont think i agreed with what he said(honestly i have no idea what hsi reads are but i dont think i agreed with them) but his tone/vibes felt towny

alot of this is a wet bag of hedgy but its where im at

[Arctic]

this is not rational nor charitable but sunbae's "we should look at people who nobody is talking about" thing floating stett in the same group as wisdom/syn kinda pings me. like those are different flavors of not being discussed - in stett's case it's because they are universally townread and independently obvious town and in the cases of the other two it's because they haven't posted enough or nobody really knows. and i think a villa might be a bit more discerning in the targets of "who is nobody talking about" than dropping these three names and saying they all had "vague town vibes" when that isn't really the case. they did the same thing with grr too. idk. it might not even be wolfy because there's the argument that a wolf might be more in tune with the consensus and what they can push. but still feels like a kinda strange angle for a villager to go for

[ladd]

I honeslty wouldnt expect knights to play like this as either alignment

bit confusing



i skimmed manti iso real quick and i think i forgot how to read manti since its been so long lol I do agree with artic that they got some weirdly super confident villa reads?

idk i dont even find that infamous 6 words post particularly villagery buy ymmv




really vibing with what artic is saying in this spurt of posting

[ColonelLubriderm]

im un-rescinding the villagy lean i had on arctic

[Arctic]

I underestimated how busy I would be this week, so I won't be contributing anything of substance D1, other than my vote. Anyone got a vote count?

does the votecount tell you anything if you are a villager who hasn't read anything?

if you have read something then disregard but i usually feel like opening with wanting to know the votecount is more of a wolf thing because wolves know who their teammates are and town has to read to find that information out

[ladd]

I don't love the read on jan and i personally didnt find rasko wolfy. I dont think i agreed with what he said(honestly i have no idea what hsi reads are but i dont think i agreed with them) but his tone/vibes felt towny



yea this is basically how i feel about them

thx for the other reads too :y:


artic probably cleared themselves in my eyes with their post last couple of pages tbh

lettuce see where i am at if i kinda yolo it just for fun


just villagers
ladd
newcomb
didistetter
artic
grrr

confident villagers, ordered
bop
jan

rask

this is where reads i strongly care about end

wisdom - if i am wrong somehwere here i'd guess its them
dya - maybeee some worlds where they a wolf but based on toan/meta i'd say they are fairly likely to be villa

leaning villa but losing a bit of confidence/some worlds where they are a wolf with manti if manti w
insomnia
sunbae


the rest, ordered in 2 tiers. no order within tiers

ender - feels villagery but surface level
sheep - bit unsure but i think i am cool with havig them here for now

benneh - feel like i did him a bit dirty cause havent made much of an effort on my part to re read his iso and find him but thats mostly cause i wanst gonna lunch him today anyway
knights - confusing play
gemma - have trouble believing his posts show genuine solving
maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf
cobalt - see ya tomorrow; maybe



not evne gonna list monte/vanta

[Wisdom]

you're thinking of someone else, I always have problems reading you. like every single game I've said something along these lines.

I realized when thinking about it a bit more that you once caught me d1 when wolf and have defended me a lot d1 with "Wisdom is usually pushed for stuff like this" which isn't the same as finding me as town. In my brain you're a Wisdom pro but I can see that I might have confbiased.

[ladd]

i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier


i'll bbl




as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts

[Wisdom]

I don't have any further insights atm but I'm crushing my friends in Mage Quit!

[Arctic]

postcap not being lifted for eod is kinda hellish and maybe a mistake honestly

town:

arctic
grr
stett
newcomb
ladd
insomnia
bopolis
wisdom
dya
ender

last villa for a winning towncore is between syn based on my own read or jan if i sheep people, probably safer to go with jan ngl

might read isos to get a more definitive answer but it's definitely not any of the rest

[Wisdom]

i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier


i'll bbl




as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts

Towny post and overall nice reads. I didn't really feel that Bop's push on me was in good faith so I'd place him close to the bottom, but the rest is reasonable.

[Maple]

anyway loading into a game of league with a bad bitch gonna try not to feed

we're getting absolutely cooked lads

[Montmorency]

does the votecount tell you anything if you are a villager who hasn't read anything?

if you have read something then disregard but i usually feel like opening with wanting to know the votecount is more of a wolf thing because wolves know who their teammates are and town has to read to find that information out

Vote spread could most readily be t/t, but I would go with Gemma of the pair so far. Maybe their early game engagement, the parts I'm caught up on, was too superficial in the context of the immediate content delving of the other active posters.

[Montmorency]

Ben and Bop are lovers

Actually, I'm a Lover.


i've been playing on this site for nearly 13 years and in my experience the setups usually have around 40% mafia with most villagers having kp to make up for it

What was your previous account?

[Newcomb]

Gonna save the rest of my posts for closer to EoD.

Basically where i'm at with what we're doing today is, I'm not super thrilled with knights but i'm not moving. Gemma can defend herself i'm sure; or at least i'm sure that what you're gonna get with gemma is what you're gonna get.

The spookier / more interesting worlds I like considering, I like the thoughts, but to do something like sunbae here i'm gonna need more than that. Like, sell me on the world, or sell me on the smoking gun or something.

[grr]

Towny post and overall nice reads. I didn't really feel that Bop's push on me was in good faith so I'd place him close to the bottom, but the rest is reasonable.
Wisdom

Can I ask why you so easily binning that push as bad faith? Wondering because I know u as someone who tends to be biased towards their pushers, or at least tries to be very careful/fair with assessing them? Did anything change for you in your mentality there or something?
Also your v-read on me felt like came very easily, you usually struggle to find me as a villager, could you explain what changed here too?

I am decently certain bop is a villager for something completely unrelated tho.

[Wisdom]

I don't think I'll be able to play more tonight so just some last thoughts.

Jan is bleeding town and it's about far more than his opening, which in itself is enough to warrant the Wisdom D1 town lock tbh.

Other than that I don't have anyone I really want to bank the game on being town, but Newcomb, Ladd, Ender, Rask and grr are all up there. Yeeting Sunbae and Stett is probably a bad idea too.

Gemma is good enough to end my vote on but it sure sucks to miss the most fun/important part of the game.

Kinda surprised that there haven't really been any real spice so far (except grr pushing newcomb) but the game is fun and you're all awesome so I don't mind :3

With that I wish y'all a good night! <3 Stay hyped and hydrated!

[Wisdom]

Wisdom

Can I ask why you so easily binning that push as bad faith? Wondering because I know u as someone who tends to be biased towards their pushers, or at least tries to be very careful/fair with assessing them? Did anything change for you in your mentality there or something?
Also your v-read on me felt like came very easily, you usually struggle to find me as a villager, could you explain what changed here too?

I am decently certain bop is a villager for something completely unrelated tho.

Pushing me for locking Jan town based on one post is a very safe and easy move. Adding "Having a 9 people PoE is wolfy" (I think 9 is winnable?) just seemed forced. Yeah a lot of times I can see where people comes from and I'm used to it being a way to read others, but here it just seemed like he decided I was wolf. Others corrected him and he just doubled down without adressing their counterpoints.

I know I've read a few towny posts from him as well though, it's just that his push on me left a sour raste in my mouth.

You seem like you're just doing your own thing and I find it towny, questioning my read is towny, sussing Newcomb was towny, your general vibe is towny, you're cute, I dunno :3 Now that you say it the last part is what you've fooled me with before (like 3 years ago?) but weh!