Tarot Mafia

[nebjiamn]

yeah im game

i kind of want to shore up a few things:

- That gemma/grr/knights section in my list. With Gemma/Knights counterwagons to syn near eod I've been boosting them both up (also for voting Syn and I think being villagery on their own to boot,) but I do want to just double check that it's not a blind spot where we had a couple wolves wagoned and they had to consolidate on each other and I give them false credit. Gemma I didn't really have a read on before the eod and vote so there especially I want to shore up but reading eod they looked good I thought. I had knights as towney before I left because I thought his general frustrations and vibe was pure but due diligence etc. With Grr I've just kind of mostly been going off others read there but I also just haven't felt any real pings when real timing with them either. I feel like this trio holds a lot of the keys for my personal view of the game because if I can clear them I think my other town reads are quite strong which leaves the game pretty manageable. Then on the other side I feel if I'm just calling them town and overlooking them when one is actually a wolf they can certainly get in a good spot and take the game down and I just wanna make sure etc.


- I want to take Dya's opinion that I'm just attributing things that normally work for Neb into a unique game where it's easy for that approach to misfire as well as newcombs/(was it ladd also? id have to check) take that I am giving Maple town cred for things I shouldn't be giving and just make sure I'm not overlooking something there. Both of those were reads I felt stronger about than anyone in the above trio but having brushback from people I trust is making me want to shore it up.

- I'd like to explore my opinions on Monte more because I feel like that's a spot that if I'm right is a critical town to save and if I'm wrong then I need to back off asap.

can you summarize your thoughts on monte for me (or link me to where you talk about him?)

i liked his entrance yesterday after being gone all day

[didistetter]

Vote: EnderWiggin

maybe I'm just wrong on Syn/Wisdom not being w/w tbh

why vote ender then instead of wisdom?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vote: enderwiggin

[Dolby]

why vote ender then instead of wisdom?

did you see my prior post?

[Dolby]

not voting toDay

1. dyachei > they feel like their usual villa. reads, reevals, visible frustration for being sussed for lolsies. Not sure them trying to tie me up with Syn at SOD is AI, will see what they make of it. voted Syn
2. Arctic, Just feel villa, determined pushing his reads, (some of them I actually noded along - coucou Mapoule), punted a wolf
3. Didistetter. first game with them (outside recent mash), feels good tonally, solvey all around, coming with original and usefull hindsights/perspectives (Ladd/Benneh on top of my head) that help solving imo

prolly just villagers too

8. Ladd > allready posted enough about him I guess. I think if he was wolfing with Syn I'd be dead. not in the upper tier because #thefear
10. Gemma much more content than the game they woofed here earlier this year. detrimental to getting Syn yeeted.
13. insomnia prolly villaging too. I was afraid me clearing him for microreasons D1 was dumb since I generally have him villa faster (Bennehs game we played in may at MU being an instance, I had him lock villa D1), but I dunno, he sounds like solving villa!insom with a dose of "I am getting D1ed in every mash" ptsd

true nulls

4. Vanta Black. can go either way. I am, dunno how to phrase it correctly so excuse me if it hurts, getting a bit bored at the "I am an overwhelmed noob" attitude ( particularly because I've seen it as either alignment, on various sites) (take that shade Vanta, with love)
5. nebjiamn. Think benneh hasn't started playing. Noted an interesting post about how to read Sunbae, with a town lean on Sunbae, which helps. (tier are unordered but he is the null I feel the best with Sunbae)
6. Sunbae, prolly villaging. Lilked their stance on dya. Felt townie and based. (yes I am a sucker for pockety post lol, can't help it) Liked their reaction to me confusing them with sheep and expressing a sus. He isn't on the above tier because I feel he is still lacking some solving effort (for Sunbae I mean, sorry to have you in high regard, I know it's annoying to be expected a delivery every other game) and also #thefear2 (sorry I still remember that small game from 2 years ago u did us good friendo)
21. C0balt (now Dolby). really null. nothing to say (didn't notice Cobalt posting, just people giving him a day pass for irl reasons; Dolby not ketchup; pending)

trending down nulls

11. grr people say they are pure and villagery. Still didn't like their votes on Newcomb and me and the reasoning behind them (Newcomb not having a solve 10 hours in and me reading him in good faith in their clash with Maple lol. Like he posted a lot of stuff but he chooses this reason to cast his final vote... riiighht). Didn't like most of their lamist posts
12. EnderWiggin lol openwolfing as usual (add to that dude rands wolf more often that I eat cheese and baguettes)
16. ColonelLubriderm need to read more. But disliked their opening and their push on me. Well people say this is villa!Bop for the most part but I don't like it still. Prolly worth a full ISO before EOD2.
19. Montmorency null. But I noticed he tryed to pocket me, which feels "unusual" to say the least. Nothing damning but prolly needs to produce more content for me to get there
14. Wisdom (<3) Not sure how to say it but I think they have tryed to misrep me multiple time already
- when they talked loudly about me not wanting to rand wolf this game - lmao as if they were tones of peeps willing to woof in this village, come on - but surprisingly never told the thread I promised to kill them immediatly too in that world
- when they talked about my stance on Bop
- when they exchanged with Jan about what I'd do wolfing with Syn (like it's dumb to think I actually know what I would do in the first place. depends of opponents, his thread position, mine, general game plan etc... I mean I can post science fiction to shade people too)
> They aren't lower because I have a bad record with them and they have their very special way of producing reads. But like, I have a bad taste on my mouth.

immediate POE

9. Jan, allready posted about him. Not convinced about their EOD posts and their explanations. His PR post is so fucking wolfy I won't write an essay about it but yeah
18. Maple. Working on small pings, lacking global solving. inverted what. See artic's ISO for details. He does match what I remember from villa!him tonally but it is dumb for such a player. Feels performative (somebody with more Manti xp tells me if that's AI)
20. Theknightsofneeee Bad entrance, meh follow up, noded along when cased by Newcomb. Tunneled on Jan (they aren't prolly with them so I am wrong somewhere but it's my read aorn, help me getting there)

These are prolly dumb, lacking, but that's the business state rn. I could use town cases on my POE and tell me why me villa reading some folks feels off. Sorry some of them are ego reads but I have been lacking time D1 and couldn't sponged all the thread (need to threadcamp for that, skill issue)

Skimmed Rask's ISO. He isn't lock but tbh I think he's > rand town

I feel like this is how v Rask makes his reads. I think that he should have re-eved on Knights but meh. Reads on Dya, Arctic, and Vanta especially feel like just Rask things, would need to read Wisdom to eval claims made in his read on them tbh

[nebjiamn]

ngl, an outside perspective would help a lot here tbh.

@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) @ColonelLubriderm (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102069) @Arctic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102766) is this wolfy or am i being uncharitable?

the 4th and 5th paragraph ping me as a bit appealy and excuse-y but you probly need to highlight or espouse what you are seeing here

i also think their read on you feels a bit bad faith lol but ymmv

[Dolby]

crashing in 30 minutes, AMA

[ColonelLubriderm]

why vote ender then instead of wisdom?

I don’t know about Dolby but for me; wisdom not ripe yet; ender is a wolf in a lot of worlds with wisdom, in addition he can be a wolf in worlds where wisdom is just a V; and I know benneh was pushing on him and I think if he’s a wolf I can vocalize reasons why benneh is more likely a villa but the most important reason of all

I wanna see what happens

[nebjiamn]

crashing in 30 minutes, AMA

whats it like being the founder and supreme leader of a totalitarian and authoritarian regime that has subsisted for 3 generations ( so far)

[Sunbae]

can you summarize your thoughts on monte for me (or link me to where you talk about him?)

i liked his entrance yesterday after being gone all day

My feelings on Mont are that they rolled into eod with wagons of Gemma, Syn, Knights. Chatted a few minutes then broke it down by saying Knights is not a good vote for today, the Syn wagon is trustworthy and Syn has a history of getting outed by meta-havers but notes the Rask read, and Gemma is the person he has the strongest negative opinion on. Calls Knights towny again. At this point wagons are knights/gemma both at 4, rask 3, syn 2. Votes Rask. Vote count is posted where he sees Rask 4/Knights 3/Gemma 3/Sheep 3/Syn 2 and he unvotes. Then as Syn gets wagoned more just says hopefully the info remember me Gemma and the day ends.

I've made the argument earlier that praising the syn wagon, defending the counterwagon, and unvoting all make it more likely that Mont is villa with no eod agenda. Writing it all out in detail has me less locked on it once I see that the unvote came with Syn as 5th wagon when I thought Syn was one of the main counterwagons on the unvote. Hmm.

[Dolby]

Just so I have this in thread I should probably eval Ladd. i actively think Benneh is town, not super confident in Jan, I think if hypothetically one of him and Rask had to be wolves I'd go him (though I'd go Maple before both). Ladd I should probably ISO but to tired to, I feel like not voting Syn given his earlier comments is bad vibes

[ColonelLubriderm]

but what does that have to do with his alignment this game?

im confused what you're saying ngl

You asked about my previous record in neighbor chats and I was referring to a previous game I had a neighborhood chat with maple

[Dolby]

whats it like being the founder and supreme leader of a totalitarian and authoritarian regime that has subsisted for 3 generations ( so far)

Korea is a people's democracy, and the people love me, my son, and my grandson. Why else would we get 100% of the vote with 100% turnout in the last five elections?

Juche has led us to victory in our lives, and will lead us to victory in this game. Commit yourself to self reliance, and you will eliminate the American wolves one by one.

[Sunbae]

stett, probs wont vote anyone right now tbh

[ColonelLubriderm]

Did you know that according to some people I’m half Irish and half Jamaican

[nebjiamn]

My feelings on Mont are that they rolled into eod with wagons of Gemma, Syn, Knights. Chatted a few minutes then broke it down by saying Knights is not a good vote for today, the Syn wagon is trustworthy and Syn has a history of getting outed by meta-havers but notes the Rask read, and Gemma is the person he has the strongest negative opinion on. Calls Knights towny again. At this point wagons are knights/gemma both at 4, rask 3, syn 2. Votes Rask. Vote count is posted where he sees Rask 4/Knights 3/Gemma 3/Sheep 3/Syn 2 and he unvotes. Then as Syn gets wagoned more just says hopefully the info remember me Gemma and the day ends.

I've made the argument earlier that praising the syn wagon, defending the counterwagon, and unvoting all make it more likely that Mont is villa with no eod agenda. Writing it all out in detail has me less locked on it once I see that the unvote came with Syn as 5th wagon when I thought Syn was one of the main counterwagons on the unvote. Hmm.

i agree withy our sentiment written out tbh

i dont wana overplay mont's 'strategy' bone here but i feel like his strat as a syn!teammate entering day late and being around for EoD is to do anything but what he did. i dont really remember if ive seen him wolf so this might be a dumb read but this play lines up with my view of him as a villager around EoD and he doest strike me as someone that keeps that same process/tone as a wolf. i feel like he's prob way more straightforward as wolf and straight forward would be just voting someone else or spinning his wagon spiel without invoking syn

minor take that this isn't the case if ther's other wolves wagoned at eod and theres just malarkey going on where syn is the lamb wolves have to bus but i dont think its worth living in that world atm

[nebjiamn]

Did you know that according to some people I’m half Irish and half Jamaican

i had to run anni just to put it into MU lore that you are, in fact, the world's best haitian werewolf player

[ColonelLubriderm]

I’m slightly V reading mont for unvoting to make the three way tie because I was contemplating something similar to see what people did

[nebjiamn]

Did you know that according to some people I’m half Irish and half Jamaican

also one of my favorite little party 'tricks' is to have ppl connect how the jamaican accent originates from the irish accent and ppl dont realize it til they try doing both

it blows ppls minds a lot

(just dont look into why that is the case)

[ColonelLubriderm]

i had to run anni just to put it into MU lore that you are, in fact, the world's best haitian werewolf player

Weird my autocorrect went from Haitian to Jamaican

Seems problematic

[didistetter]

the 4th and 5th paragraph ping me as a bit appealy and excuse-y but you probly need to highlight or espouse what you are seeing here

i also think their read on you feels a bit bad faith lol but ymmv

it was the making excuses part, but also:




And then there is you and this is a me problem but you have no idea how hard I analyzed your play in sf1 last year and that is now how I expect you to play as town, which of course isn't fair. It's just bugging me that you blatantly said in your first post that you're not going to play like that and that exact move is what I expect w!you to do. But I recognize that pretty much everyone else town reads you, you solve in a towny way and you have oomph and is probably thread spewed town, so I have no reason to sus you unless you're alive in lategame. I kinda expected you to be nk'd. It still bugs my head though, I'm looking the Stett that went completely bananas in her mission to solve the game every single day and she simply isn't here ^^


idk: it kinda feels like they're treating me as town, but avoiding making the read?
frankly it was something that pinged me from u d1 a lil too :P
this just kinda feels hollow tbh, and it feels like either they're salty im being townread or they just arent bothering to read anything i say

like: they keep bringing up the fact that i said i wasnt gonna wallpost in my first post of the game: but ive literally wallposted multiples times since then.

mostly trying to figure out if im wearing sus-colored lenses, or if its actually shady nebjiamn

obviously im self biased, but i think my d1 was p damn intentioned to solve as 75 posts allows

[ColonelLubriderm]

sick ty

i actually kinda eyed dyas post too (not for the activity disclaimer, more for the "but im sure yall will wolfread me" part) so i was kinda mildmelding.

imo he has a lot more verve than the time's i've wolved with him, but mashes are a dif beast.

seeing ur thoughts helps tho, so ty for obliging

Vote: C0balt

cobalt, what about sheep's read was TMI as opposed to the like 5 other slots that tr me for w/e reason?

I’m pretty sure I have 11 posts left after this one. I’m gonna shush now

[nebjiamn]

it was the making excuses part, but also:



idk: it kinda feels like they're treating me as town, but avoiding making the read?
frankly it was something that pinged me from u d1 a lil too :P
this just kinda feels hollow tbh, and it feels like either they're salty im being townread or they just arent bothering to read anything i say

like: they keep bringing up the fact that i said i wasnt gonna wallpost in my first post of the game: but ive literally wallposted multiples times since then.

mostly trying to figure out if im wearing sus-colored lenses, or if its actually shady @nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)

obviously im self biased, but i think my d1 was p damn intentioned to solve as 75 posts allows

that is the part i was referring to fwiw

ill play devils advocate a bit: what purpose does her not acking you as town do as wolf here on d2?

why it pinged you from me makes sense given our history but like, you are solidified in your position as top town-ish here, no amount of work from wisdom here is going to affect that today if that's her intent. could she not just pocket you or acknowledge a townread oand move along and just NK you tonight?

[nebjiamn]

if wisdom's a wolf ladd is probly also one :curtain:

[Dolby]

What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?

Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta

Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn

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I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just an fyi!

On my phone because I have no self control, but I kinda hate this list in retrospect. We’ve got Arctic, who the worst that I can say about is that he defended Syn, and he did that while standing against the “rask first” discourse which I think is easily to hop onto if he is a wolf

Bop who I think is visibly pretty strongly town from start of day

Dya who is just fine tbh

Gemma who had a really good EoD but Wisdom obvs couldn’t have known that

Knights who, while a popular sus I also think looked good to me during d1

Maple/monte/vanta who are all w/e slots

Sunbae who tbh idk how I feel about sunbae

[theknightsofneeee]

I vaguely skimmed but i'm too tired/not sober enough to respond atm, i'll answer tomorrow.

thx for all the birthday well wishes <3

[Dolby]

I really should stop playing on phone why am I like this.

Apparently all but Monte has posted but it feels like I missed half the playerlist.

The way Ender solves through relaxing and vibing is something that I associate with his town game.

On the other side, Cobalt seems a bit stiff and forced. For some reason his post on this page, about him liking people talking about him, wasn't in his ISO (I'm going insane). It felt real though.

Rask... for some reason I expected him to be more hype than he's shown so far, but I know that he really didn't want to rand wolf this game and I'd think he'd put more effort into seeming solvy than he's done so he's probably town anyway.

I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset. Raskolnikov I think you know why I'm worried, can you explain why you instantly locked him town?

Newcomb/Ladd is unlikely w/w and I feel like I agree with everything they say even when I don't. So, hopefully both are town and shouldn't be too hard to find them if they're alive wolves in later game.

Jan is still town. Retracting town leans on Sheep and Stett for the time being.

Unvote

I also think that this post is super agendad if Rask is v looking back at it

I’m Cobalt and town

I feel that Ender is wolfing rn and I think the reasoning for the townread here is really weak

But more importantly I think this may be being used as a cheap way to say “hey im sussing Syn, but blame Rask if this is wrong”. Their reasons for townreading Rask are also pretty nebulous “Rask is less hype than I expect” should not be a reason to townread him when he doesn’t want to wolf here(I also don’t think that Rask seemed solve at this point in the thread). Its using Rask to just avoid Syn

I suppose it’s a good look that Wisdom entered d2 calling Rask wrong town. At the same time the reasoning just seems off to me. Rask outside calling Syn lock town super early didn’t do much with him besides when he was specifically addressed on the read. And Syn ended up placing Rask at the bottom of his reads list

[Dolby]

EnderWiggin if you’re town and able to real time I can try to find you before EOD, though I’m going to be afk from now until basically five hours before

[didistetter]

if wisdom's a wolf ladd is probly also one :curtain:

how d'ya reckon?

[Dolby]

Thinking on reflection my take on Enders EOD is bad and he’s just trying to get knights to go over but I don’t like him being on knights in the first place

[ladd]

if wisdom's a wolf ladd is probly also one :curtain:

Yea i def look bad if wisdom is a wolf eheh


I think their d2 is worse than their d1 (their bottom 3 being dolby/vanta/monty(?)) seems uh not great. I still like their d1 but idk how much it carries over

Bop, i did go back to look at the post you said to me wrt sheep but i just tend to not really care about pr reads

[ladd]

I also think that this post is super agendad if Rask is v looking back at it

I’m Cobalt and town

I feel that Ender is wolfing rn and I think the reasoning for the townread here is really weak

But more importantly I think this may be being used as a cheap way to say “hey im sussing Syn, but blame Rask if this is wrong”. Their reasons for townreading Rask are also pretty nebulous “Rask is less hype than I expect” should not be a reason to townread him when he doesn’t want to wolf here(I also don’t think that Rask seemed solve at this point in the thread). Its using Rask to just avoid Syn

I suppose it’s a good look that Wisdom entered d2 calling Rask wrong town. At the same time the reasoning just seems off to me. Rask outside calling Syn lock town super early didn’t do much with him besides when he was specifically addressed on the read. And Syn ended up placing Rask at the bottom of his reads list

Ill play devils advocate - wisdom could have just said syn is a villager cause of rask read without asking rask to kinda revaluate the read like they did here

[ladd]

yeah im game

i kind of want to shore up a few things:

- That gemma/grr/knights section in my list. With Gemma/Knights counterwagons to syn near eod I've been boosting them both up (also for voting Syn and I think being villagery on their own to boot,) but I do want to just double check that it's not a blind spot where we had a couple wolves wagoned and they had to consolidate on each other and I give them false credit. Gemma I didn't really have a read on before the eod and vote so there especially I want to shore up but reading eod they looked good I thought. I had knights as towney before I left because I thought his general frustrations and vibe was pure but due diligence etc. With Grr I've just kind of mostly been going off others read there but I also just haven't felt any real pings when real timing with them either. I feel like this trio holds a lot of the keys for my personal view of the game because if I can clear them I think my other town reads are quite strong which leaves the game pretty manageable. Then on the other side I feel if I'm just calling them town and overlooking them when one is actually a wolf they can certainly get in a good spot and take the game down and I just wanna make sure etc.


- I want to take Dya's opinion that I'm just attributing things that normally work for Neb into a unique game where it's easy for that approach to misfire as well as newcombs/(was it ladd also? id have to check) take that I am giving Maple town cred for things I shouldn't be giving and just make sure I'm not overlooking something there. Both of those were reads I felt stronger about than anyone in the above trio but having brushback from people I trust is making me want to shore it up.

- I'd like to explore my opinions on Monte more because I feel like that's a spot that if I'm right is a critical town to save and if I'm wrong then I need to back off asap.

Sunbae id be absolute shocked if grrr is a wolf, you can safely add them to lack clears. I can easily make an argument that doesnt rely on meta later if you want but like meta wise he is just a villager

Think benneh /insomnia at the very least will agree with me

[insomnia]

ye im giving the stamp of approval

if he's wolf you can put the clowning on my tab

[ladd]

Idk i am kinda scared to defend people i am not like at least 95% sure are villas because i dont have a clear wolrdview right now beyond "these guis are villagers, the wolves are in the rest"

But i kinda like ender posting, i feel he is being more direct in his pushes tham his wolf game where it felt like he was giving himself outs; he had an interrsting worldview d1; he had some funny eod posts and has felt in flow; reaction to dolby push seemed villagery. On the negative side his eod is not great but i am not sure its really wolfy?


I am almost inclined to say wisdom is a more likely wolf to me than ender

Guess we'll see what ender has to say, but thats my 2 cents atm

[Raskolnikov]

Jan, grr, Dolby all trending up for me in the last hours (from my readlist post).

Wisdom/Ender slowly but surely closing in immediate poe area.

What I need to do before EOD is completly reread knights and Maple (pls post pal).

Oh benneh prolly just villa, Bop too maybe? I vibe with it, will check what it means when i reordered friendos and have a zoom out view. Prolly means I got wrong on Ladd (would be sadge regarding turns of events smh).

Also need to figure out knights/Jan dichotomy (rn i refuse to not confbiased and think knights is wolfing but fr I wanna look into it again)

Dolby: all hail the supreme leader! (Ur post brought good memories of discord mafia, sad ur pings come at 4am my time these days lol)

[Raskolnikov]

Oh Monty I will check the december game u talked about in roughly 6 hours or so.

[insomnia]

this game kinda feels like one of those ones where dayplay doesn't matter until EoD where we will just coalesce on the wolves somehow, some way

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[Wisdom]

Sorry about the tone in the last post.

Stett you're right that I haven't focused you that much but I still think there's a huge difference from that game.

I'm going away for a family gathering for the rest of the day and might not be able to be here except for popins, and since I'm a focus slot right now I'm just going to claim.

I am Strength, a 2-shot firefighter.

That means there are likely an arsonist, wolf or 3p, hence why I think Sheep wasn't killed by wolf kp.

I have played games with firefighters without arsonists tho so who knows :wowee:

[Jan]

Sorry about the tone in the last post.

Stett you're right that I haven't focused you that much but I still think there's a huge difference from that game.

I'm going away for a family gathering for the rest of the day and might not be able to be here except for popins, and since I'm a focus slot right now I'm just going to claim.

I am Strength, a 2-shot firefighter.

That means there are likely an arsonist, wolf or 3p, hence why I think Sheep wasn't killed by wolf kp.

I have played games with firefighters without arsonists tho so who knows :wowee:

And here I was thinking you tracked one of your villa reads to the kill.

[Gemma]

mmmmmm

why do you consider saying a wagon looks good but avoiding it unpartnered? felt like avoiding the wagon while trying to distance to me.

i actually really hated the unvote, its something ive seen a *lot* from maf recently with contentious wagons. they dont want to join the wagon on partner b/c their previous approach to the slot doesn't justify it, and it would risk getting called out as a busvote, so they unvote the cw as light distancing.

i think insomn voting and making it 3/3/3 would def be easy to anticipate from wolves that it put syn at major risk, b/c knights and rask (if town) could self pres there, and i/dya had previously indicated interest in the wagon, so it could easily build, which it did. both knights and i almost instantly voted syn after insomn made it a viable option.

i don't really buy either of these as pros for mont

https://media.tenor.com/_ffsKeSKYMkAAAAM/pandasproblems-dr.gif

[Gemma]

huh why is wisdom claiming what did i miss

[Gemma]

is there any connection between the Strength tarot card and the Judgement tarot card
In the Tarot, the Strength card and the Judgement card each have their own distinct meanings, but they do share some thematic connections. Here's how they relate:
1. Inner Power vs. Awakening:

Strength: This card represents inner strength, courage, and the ability to overcome challenges through patience, compassion, and understanding rather than brute force. It often symbolizes self-control and the mastery of one's emotions.
Judgement: The Judgement card is about awakening, renewal, and the realization of one's higher purpose. It suggests a time of reflection, transformation, and the need to make important decisions. This card often represents a spiritual or personal rebirth.

2. Personal Growth:

Both cards are associated with personal growth, but they approach it from different angles. Strength focuses on the internal process of mastering oneself, while Judgement is about external realization and transformation based on inner truths.

3. Courage and Transformation:

Strength can be seen as the courage needed to face life's challenges, which ultimately leads to the transformative energy of Judgement. The courage symbolized by Strength can lead one to a moment of truth or a pivotal decision, which is what Judgement represents.

4. Overcoming and Moving Forward:

In a sequence, one could interpret Strength as the necessary step to overcome obstacles, which then allows for the awakening or renewal symbolized by Judgement. After mastering one's inner struggles (Strength), one is ready to face a new phase of life with clarity and purpose (Judgement).

5. Major Arcana Themes:

Both cards are part of the Major Arcana, which deal with significant life themes and lessons. They each represent crucial stages in the journey of self-discovery and spiritual growth.

In summary, while Strength and Judgement are distinct in their primary meanings, they are connected through their shared themes of personal empowerment, transformation, and the progression of the self toward a higher understanding or state of being.

Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.

:curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

huh why is wisdom claiming what did i miss

They got talked about basically, so I guess they are anticipating an incoming wagon. pondering judgement on it rn.

[insomnia]

didistetter

that was a quick 5 minute read on manti, lol

i definitely have some things that im concerned with. firstly, he's mentioned about twice now that certain things don't put people "out of wolfrange" and it was regarding me and you. this feels like an odd comment to make as a villager on 2 people you have never played with, but it particularly bugs me cuz without meta i thought i was pretty villagery that d1, so the "doesn't put you out of wolfrange" thing looks more like trying to fake consideration for me

also, i've changed my feelings around his ih thing. initially a lot of us thought he was villagery for pushing ih and even ih said so and he portrayed it as manti misreading ih once again, but it doesn't actually really read like a misread. manti just asked a question and once he couldn't make sense of what ih was saying he decided to call him a wolf for it, which fmpov it looks a little premature and isn't an actual read, cuz it's based on ih just not understanding something, so anyone could point out that mistake in ih's posting.

the problem that i have is that if i know i've misread someone 3 times now, i would firstly try to clarify what that person meant before calling them as a wolf. that's what i don't like about manti in that progression, because looking back it kinda looks like leveraging that status of "misreading the person i always do", but he just went on to call him a wolf before any clarifying went down.

if i wolfread someone it's because i feel like their process is so weird that any weird thing i see i'd just see it as villagery as a reflex, so i don't get why manti was calling him a wolf for it. i'd understand if he'd first clarify what ih meant and then have an opinion, but calling him out for some obviously hella weird stuff i doubt would be conducive to a great read, especially when it's obvious there must be a misunderstanding.

hope that makes a little sense. this doesn't really change his stance in my PoE, but i guess im more informed about what he's done this game

[insomnia]

man it's so hard to lunch ladd, lol

even though objectively i feel like im correct to make that call, there's something that just doesn't allow me to vote him :wall:

40

[Raskolnikov]

Actually I think that claim is kinda clean, interested by the follow up and Maple has to say about it (would arsoned tracks with inverted?)

[insomnia]

man i keep reading over my own posts and idk why im so rambly, i feel like i can't articulate my points well enough this game. gonna work on that if im alive for D3

basically, it was glaringly obvious that IH made a blunder in his posting, but i don't feel like that blunder is wolf motivated and it was just a misunderstanding. the fact that manti called him a wolf for it is shady, especially given the context he's meant to "misread him"

and i know this would tip people to believe that it'd actually be villagery, but i think he's just trying to leverage that status because anyone would be able to see IH just fumbled on posting and it wasn't actually alignment indicative. manti poking at that spot feels like an easy jab to throw in order to replicate that misreading status, as opposed to something actually alignment indicative in ih's posting

hope this makes more sense

41

[ladd]

I've got reasons to believe Sheep was killed by town btw

.

that was the soft, if people care


man it's so hard to lunch ladd, lol

even though objectively i feel like im correct to make that call, there's something that just doesn't allow me to vote him :wall:

40

thats cause deep down you know i am a villager



this is post 37

[insomnia]

i've went on to check at which point syn places maple in his top tier of villas, and it was neither after maple has done the ih back and forth thing and nor when there was a mindmeld of like 3-4 people calling manti a villager for the 6 word thing

however, sunbae expressed that he liked the 6 word post and also newcomb made a post saying "i hate that i like this". idk if these actions would be enough for syn to put maple in top tier. if only they wouldn't give a read for manti, i'd take it as a pretty big good sign for maple cuz i doubt wolves villa read each other like that when they have nothing to villa read each other on, but i guess there was no shade thrown on maple and 2 prolific players expressed good thoughts on him, even though they weren't as confident as later.

i'd still take it as a small plus sign but lower confidence

and i also dont know what bop is claiming. i guess im holding maple on the backburner, not sure if im ghanna vote him today despite everything i've written

[insomnia]

im sure knights was grilled for this, but isoing on this site is literal pain so gonna make my job easier
theknightsofneeee

why did you villa read syn so early? you gave a reason of "he was pushing bop" but all he did was a naked vote, so i don't understand

[ColonelLubriderm]

Wisdom

How does firefighter work ?

Do you clean douses or do you prevent someone from being doused

[Vanta Black]

didistetter I had a whole reads list, which was very heavily weighted on players I know/have played with being town, so I recalibrated. As of right now, and these are not so much reads as impressions:

Arctic--leaning town, mainly because he wrote a post that i think if he was a wolf he would have edited it
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
ColonelLubriderm--I know I was kinda down on him yesterday because his posts seemed forced but I think Syn spewed him clear at some point. town lean.
Didistetter--Seems to be very aggressive player. Widely townread, but I'm a bit contrarian so not yet.
Dolby--null at the moment. I think I have played with Dolby but still no impression
dyachei--hard for me to read, I kinda vibed with "I'll get wolfread" though
EnderWiggen--I'm looking back at votes on him, I kind of had the same impression I had yesterday of Col. Lube, posts a little forced. But this is someone I have played with before and I've got to temper my urge to think he's wolfy because I've done that when he was town
Gemma--oh man. She's entertaining. I did like her vote on Syn, and she posted a good read list today. I never did figure out how she reversed her read on syn yesterday but for that I wouldn't vote her (but if I had a dayvig...)
grr--seems kind of contrarian, and I kinda like that. Probably not a good reason but I have TRed for less.
jan--my strongest town atm, even though he didn't give me a card
insomnia--no real opinion, sorry
ladd--did he post a cat picture? I think that was somebody else. Null atm
Maple--I really liked Maple's posts yesterday. I haven't really changed my opinion
Montmorency--no idea
nebjiamn Benneh--getting a cat? Cannot decide whether wolfy or towny for the cat thing
Sunbae--is not standing out in my memory, will reread
Raskolnikov--he is a very good wolf, also very good town. It would be hard for me to vote him today despite some pings--a lilttle defensive about defending Syn yesterday.
theknightsofneee--aside from the annoying username, which I'm probably typing wrong, SL on this one, can't really say why
Wisdom--I'm trying to get over the fact that in the last game here I sort of tunneled her and then she turned out to be town. I know she is a really good player as either alignment. Wouldn't vote today. Would like to know what folks think who have played more with her.

You have posted a vote count every now and then--where are you getting them? I kinda suspect you are just keeping track. What I've got right now in terms of votes:

EnderWiggen 3: Dolby, ColonelLubridern, didistetter
Gemma 1: Wisdom
Maple 1: ladd
nebgiamn 1: Gemma
Raskolnikov 1: EnderWiggen
Sunbae 1: grr

Not voting: Arctic, dyachei, Maple, Montmorency, nebgiamn, Sunbae, Theknightsofneee, Vanta Black

I feel like there ought to be more votes. I tend not to vote a lot when the game host is keeping track manually, or probably in general now that I think of it. Right now my vote would be on Montmorency because according to my notes hardly anybody has said anything about him.

[Vanta Black]

Raskolnikov, I am not claiming to be a noob (even though compared to a lot of the players here, I kinda am) but I will admit to being overwhelmed. Just a bit. I think it is mean that you did not offer me a virtual mojito with that post. I coulda used it.

[ColonelLubriderm]

i've went on to check at which point syn places maple in his top tier of villas, and it was neither after maple has done the ih back and forth thing and nor when there was a mindmeld of like 3-4 people calling manti a villager for the 6 word thing

however, sunbae expressed that he liked the 6 word post and also newcomb made a post saying "i hate that i like this". idk if these actions would be enough for syn to put maple in top tier. if only they wouldn't give a read for manti, i'd take it as a pretty big good sign for maple cuz i doubt wolves villa read each other like that when they have nothing to villa read each other on, but i guess there was no shade thrown on maple and 2 prolific players expressed good thoughts on him, even though they weren't as confident as later.

i'd still take it as a small plus sign but lower confidence

and i also dont know what bop is claiming. i guess im holding maple on the backburner, not sure if im ghanna vote him today despite everything i've written

Im claiming nothing wrt maples alignment; vote what your heart wants

Im only saying I enjoy the neighborhood.



If wisdom is a wolf I would dumpster on maple 10/10 times because his claim I think gives credence to maple being reverse uno’d or whatever shit he says happened to him because for all I know that’s what you could argue a dousing would be in tarot card flavor

[Raskolnikov]

Sunbae: me saying earlier I might be wrong on Ladd is because if we think Bop is real wrt his pr read on sheep, w!Ladd sure has more inclination to go for sheep as cw than me. So my reason to dismiss Ladd might not be valid in the first place. Sucks tbh.

ladd: thoughts on the soft and the claim being unrelated? (Speaking of Wis ofc)

[ladd]

Sunbae: me saying earlier I might be wrong on Ladd is because if we think Bop is real wrt his pr read on sheep, w!Ladd sure has more inclination to go for sheep as cw than me. So my reason to dismiss Ladd might not be valid in the first place. Sucks tbh.

ladd: thoughts on the soft and the claim being unrelated? (Speaking of Wis ofc)


They are clearly related cause wisdom referenced having mechanical reasons for the sheep thing so if they are a wolf it means they came into the day setting up a claim (which is possible)

I have no other thoughts on the claim since we know nothing about the setup other than there is a vig and some neighbour stuff

[Raskolnikov]

Also excuse Vanta friendos, she witnessed my decadely good wolf game ;) feels good but lmao at the same time . Think I have 28 posts left, will save till I have time for the Maple/knights ISO after lunch.

Arctic: didnt reply to ur post because everything is allready itt so u will find it whenever u are caught up :bow:

[Gemma]

Gemma what about my play today reads as powerwolfy to you?

i'd like you to unpack that and explain it out a bit pls, cause it kinda feels like a random pot shot, so im curious what the thoughts are behind it

idk vibes, the way u came out today pushing rask felt agenda-y, why does it feel like a pot shot

since you'll probably also want to know about my gif above i didnt like the recent post i quoted bc ur saying you're talking about a monty read but ur words are about unrelated ppl and what u said doesnt apply to monty in this game (his syn stance would've allowed him to join the wagon), not saying i think u should have a different opinion about monty just the way ur wording there icks me shrug

[Gemma]

Also excuse Vanta friendos, she witnessed my decadely good wolf game ;)

which where

[Raskolnikov]

which where

Lol 3 y old game on the giraffe boards with Ender/Visor/Winston. Doesnt relate anyway since it was a 5d/2d kindof game

[Visor]

Players Votes

EnderWiggin 4 (nebjiamn, Didistetter, Dolby, ColonelLubriderm)
nebjiamn 2 (insomnia, Gemma)
Theknightsofneeee 1 (Raskolnikov)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Raskolnikov 1 (EnderWiggin)
Maple 1 (Ladd)

whatthistextdo

believe this is correct

[Gemma]

***recap of our neighbor chat; it was silence for a while until maple showed up and asked if im a wolf to which i replied with a walterwhiteyouGotMe.gif to which he then replied with a walter white gif with red laser eyes. then we fucked around talking abut league of legends and i was telling him how i used to main warwick and he made a joke about me being a power bottom. the only game related thing we really talked about day 1 was me poking him to come join me on syn and he said sure. I think he followed through, i dont really remember but then there was a bunch of waiting gifs for the reveal followed by me doing a play by play of how i was furiously rubbing my nipples when i saw syn's flip and getting melted coffee oreo ice cream allover my chest to which he replied that it made him hungry. A little later i was ranting on how that silly tryhard Jan got me to go on rasko and i was complaining if he just kept his mouth shut i might be on my way to dvc next phase. Then i started saying how he was a wolf trying to direct the syn wagon to rasko because if rasko flips villa then syn wagon dissipates for days likely because of the god read. then i cooled off thinking its both possible rasko is just a wolf or even rasko is a villa and jan is just a villa. maple asked me aboutmy hard on for gemma and i told him I pretty much hated how she thought syn's opening was villagy over stet's opening where he literally got spew read villa from and maple said how isnt it possible she didnt read stet's post and i said sure, but then why even say anything about syn and that kind of ended there. Then we started up talk this morning when he talked about being reversed or flipped or some shit and i said its probably because there is a 3p and they are magic cards and he got his ass tapped by an icy manipulator. we had a nice chortle, thats about it. i'm pretty much v reading him solely because i enjoy the chat and even if hes a wolf i dont care. You can't have my neighbor

that was fun to read though i hate to break it to you but v reading syn on page 1 was a joke that i worded as seriously as possible because im weird like that it just seemed like the wolfiest possible thing i could have posted at that stage which made me happy and the fact that syn turned out to be a wolf just makes it even more golden in retrospect

[Gemma]

Players Votes

EnderWiggin 4 (nebjiamn, Didistetter, Dolby, ColonelLubriderm)
nebjiamn 2 (insomnia, Gemma)
Theknightsofneeee 1 (Raskolnikov)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Raskolnikov 1 (EnderWiggin)
Maple 1 (Ladd)

whatthistextdo

believe this is correct

wait eod is tomorrow morning? oh ffs i thought we had another 24 hrs

[Raskolnikov]

Next Ender's voter is a wolf :curtain:

joke, but I read the wagon pure aorn glgl

on to knights ISO.

5 first posts are literally wolf txtbook: stilted then weird openers, unexplained shade on dya, unbased TR on didistetter (read as TMI).
Follow up is reading Bop based on confusing his avie with GH's.

[Gemma]

grr i dont care about what Newcomb said about it. Put on my shoes for a second: I give Manti a try and attempt to follow up his process. I get what he is saying before you, think about it, conclude its NaI for both of you (re Maple the fact its what remains mostly, together with his 6 word posts about sheep is actually AI for me).

Then u proceed to wolfread me for it? Like wtf. So do what u want with it, but try charitabke if villa smh.

Jan: thoughts on Dolby willing to make us D2 dome? Fwiw i dont like it. Like narrow vision or smtg. A lot of slots remains to be discussed etc etc

weird post

[Gemma]

Vote: Maple

[Gemma]

fine with death for any of maple/neb/nee/uhhh i guess thats it hmmm that cant be right

[Raskolnikov]

think cobalt's recent posting is p good (specially posts #76 and #82)

newcomb not giving a fuck about the game except about if colonel is gh feels slightly villagery (and also newcomb/bop are unlikely w/w)

after rereading bop/benneh's interactions, it felt very natural and meme'y and good and i don't want to kill either of them atm

initially liked syn pushing bop (colonel), but now that i'm villa reading bop i like it less.






Villagers

knights

didistetter
cobalt

colonel lubricator (bop)
nebjiamn (benneh)

gun to head villagers

newcomb
syn

Wolves

dyachei



and with that, good night :Zzzz:
don't like this because
1 dya's treatment (particularly them being so low off one rand post, as opposed to other people being so high based off almost nothing too)
2 he liked Cobalt saying sheep is leaking TMI while not expressing anything wrt sheep's slot
3 his stett's read can be read as TMI too.

can still be villager non sense early on though

[Raskolnikov]

weird post

keep reading, u will find ur eggs

[Gemma]

Wisdom ok well, this response kinda made me want to vote you again but: ill try to explain where i'm at on you and why i have concerns.

first, i ack dolby's point that syn's responses to you look unpairing. im not sure i agree, but it's def something im weighing.

i voted in response to #1581 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858418&viewfull=1#post2053858418) because its a very lvl 1 post i see from scum a lot of: state read, vote off read. just a micro ping that i don't love.

that was more just a catalyst to vote you, b/c your day so far has kinda been gnawing at me.

for the most part, it feels like people are trying to progress the game and solve, and i haven't seen that from you. your reads have a lot of stagnation, your poe has remained largely the same from your initial reads, and it just doesn't feel like you actually have a real stake in solving.

you also have some posts that just like, seem built to get people to like you rather than like your slot, so even tho they arent ai they boost your rapport—for example the



post that bop HELL YEAHd. i know its a joke, but its a joe that shades slots that in general this game have been >rand villagery, so it doesn't add anything of solve value but only serves to curry favor.


also, this is probs a bit personally biased, but your play around my slot has been really, really, weird.

i agree i was locktowned too soon d1, but your response to that feels almost petulant?

i know you have more of a background with slots like rask and jan, but placing them in locktown and me in iffy zone just doesnt feel like a genuine read at this point.

it feels more like you want to try to undermine me/intentionally keep lowballing my towniness.

maybe you genuinley just don't townread me. that can be valid, but then it feels odd you haven't used that as an avenue to explore thread given like 90% of the game has called me ic or obvitown at this point. why not explore who might be TMIing townreads? why not try to take a concrete stance on me and push where others might be wrong?

instead it frankly feels more like you dont think i ought to be townread and you dont want to waste a nk on my slot so you try to push me towards a more neutral zone to make me viable as an elim in later days.


i'm probs overthinking it, but. your read stagnation + some micro posts + treatment around my slot just feel really freakin shady. I want to understand you and your slot, so pls show me where i'm misunderstanding if you're town, b/c frankly the vibes just feel slightly off this game

bruh

this is so uncharitable tbh

why do ppl v read stett so much idgi

[ladd]

V
Ladd
Insomnia
Bop
Artic
Grr
Dya
Gemma
Stett

The rest tier 1
Jan -not wolf with rask
Rask -not wolf with jan
Wisdom -claimed fightfighter...will hopefully clear up a bit later itg
Ender - not with dolby
Dolby-not with ender
Vanta-posts look good but just v low volume
Knights-looks good from eod but i just cant bring myself to have him higher onky based in posting, sorry


The rest tier 2
Benneh
Sunbae
Maple
Monty


I am kinda between 2 worlds right now:

1) i am off on more than 1 of my ender/wisdom/jan/rask v reads, sunbae/benneh are villas, maybe maple is too, maybe not. We are probably ok

2) sunbae/maple are w/w, benneh may be a wolf (or not, i honestly dont have a great read on his posts so far), knights i really doubt is a wolf with sunbae so would be a villa here, jan/rask woild be v as well so options are like super limited


I just think maple is the least villagey person, i didnt really like their iso nor pushes and the reversed stuff seems straight out of manti wolf playbook.havent played with manti in like years tho




With that being said, i will never votr anyone in my v tier but am open to voting anyone below at eod depending on how the rest of the day evolves

Gonna save the rest of my posts for eod cause i dont wanna be limited

Should be 40

[Raskolnikov]

sup

wrt colonel being bop - there was a couple posts that bop made (the one about if being gh gets him villa read then hell ya i'm gh) which stood out way more in my mind while reading and felt like how gh 'claims' his alts. and since gh alts alot over on MU, and this is his homesite, i just kinda ran with that assumption. Completely missed the jon paul references and benneh calling you bop otherwise yeah it would have been pretty obvious.

wrt ladd wondering why i didn't give a read on sheep - i wrote out a whole couple sentence thing about sheep, and wanting to drop him in lean wolf on my reads list, but after rereading it I felt like i was reaching pretty hard and trying to force a read on someone I knew i should have a read on, but I didn't actually have a firm read on, and so I just left him off.

my thoughts were essentially I think his wolf read on me is pretty high confidence considering its a page 1 wolf read on someone who he historically isn't the best at reading, but I didn't really think the reads were wolfy so much as wrong so i didn't want to omgus him, but that he hasn't actually been villagery either.

all of which sounds hedgy and stupid so yeah i just left it off :dizzy2:

p good post imo (the second part, about sheep): basically i like people articulating their process (as long as it seems plausible smh lol)


@ whoever asked about my benneh read (raskov I think?)

its literally just i liked how he interacted with bop

relatively low confidence but the vibes were good

this is the second thing that pinged me live (I don't know knights record with Benneh, but clearing him for vibes/Toan early doesn't ring with me). Add to that I hate the wording (like man, what did u like in that interaction etc etc. feels so ez to write this as a wolf because u feel u are laid back on ur early reads but actually u are posting stuff that a villager would not think at all. maybe uncharitable here dunno)
also can't help noticing the diff treatment wrt sheeps slot. ~:handball:

[Raskolnikov]

lol smh I am softening on knights reading him in details, like I agree with Ladds D1 push and I have pushed some of the same stuff too but in retrospect I am not sure they are outside villa range. sucks to be me. gonna get to the point he starts tunneling Jan. Will prolly get to conclusions in a couple of poasts since I am not wasting all my stock for the knight

[Gemma]

idk how to elucidate on my read and im not sure its even worth it but i feel like ender is being weirdly ignored

like i doubt anyone's going to prioritize him today cause he's kind of a non-player in EOD and it feels like he doesn't resolve much either way but something about his posting just irks me

i think jan mentioned he had a 'villagery burst' or something and like, that's what every instance of him joining thread has felt like to me -- a burst of energy and then farewell ill see you next time when the energy on his v reads starts to run low

and like i get its on me to talk about it more or case him but i just dont have that energy rn. if someone wants to explain why he's town to me ill listen but every bit of his presence has seemed like a facade to me

eh thats fair ig about activity

is his town and wolf meta polarized at all or are there noticeable differences in terms of thread presence nebjiamn

personally im averse to pushes on him bc he's such an easy push to make and if hes v theres so much w motivation for doing that

i also just find the struggle of managing to clear lhf slots interesting / compelling in general so im naturally more attracted to that option but that's just me

i lean him v because when he's around i feel good about his posts, dunno why u dont but its not a strong enough read that i'd defend him rly

[Gemma]

keep reading, u will find ur eggs

https://www.falseknees.com/comics/imgs/seeds.webp

[dyachei]

I'm not gonna be around much until eod since it's the weekend and kids. But I kind of think knights is still villa like I said at last eod

Sunbae probably still too

I'm having problems making a 5 man team

[EnderWiggin]

I'm lead wagon?

Lmao.

Idk if I have the energy to care.

I'll do a bit of solving while reading up but I'm probably crashing after I finish catching up. And I have no guarantee of having time for EOD so...

Eh.

Tiring.

[EnderWiggin]

mmmmmm

why do you consider saying a wagon looks good but avoiding it unpartnered? felt like avoiding the wagon while trying to distance to me.

i actually really hated the unvote, its something ive seen a *lot* from maf recently with contentious wagons. they dont want to join the wagon on partner b/c their previous approach to the slot doesn't justify it, and it would risk getting called out as a busvote, so they unvote the cw as light distancing.

i think insomn voting and making it 3/3/3 would def be easy to anticipate from wolves that it put syn at major risk, b/c knights and rask (if town) could self pres there, and i/dya had previously indicated interest in the wagon, so it could easily build, which it did. both knights and i almost instantly voted syn after insomn made it a viable option.

i don't really buy either of these as pros for mont


This is going to be blah blah meta.

But:
At the point Monty was at, he would know (if we assume you're correct in that people would see the Syn wagon in the distance) that his "decisive" vote switch in the point to change it from Rask to Syn would be looked at a LOT better.

Monty's EOD is a Monty that doesn't care how he's seen. He's not looking to capitalise on his partner dying. But he's also not trying to avoid his partner dying.

That's not the wolf!Monty I know.

But also any wolf worth their chops wouldn't get caught frozen with their pants down.

The unvote + Encouraging Syn wagon is like trying to bus without the cred. It's just ~bad. And I wouldn't necessarily townread it from a random player. Which is why my original statement was "For Monty and how he played EOD".

This is, of course, where Monty is wolf and I look like a clown. But GTH that EOD is much more town from him.

[EnderWiggin]

I townread Grr rn but I'm just not with the mental energy to sort through your wall posts that I'm seeing in my catchup. I'm sorry.

[Dolby]

Hey man

[EnderWiggin]

12. EnderWiggin lol openwolfing as usual (add to that dude rands wolf more often that I eat cheese and baguettes)

I actually don't think I've openwolfed this game.

Normally I have at least one joke about being wolf in thread but I've been too tired to be witty.

I'm also sorry for how few cheese and baguettes you eat =P

[Arctic]

As for current reads and how they've shifted, I don't really think anything happened that should make me shift my reads? I feel like I had a pretty solid day one from what I can tell. The reads I was most passionate about defending ended up voting a wolf (Dya, Maple, tho again with Maple it's a tier below Dya). My villager read on Insomnia seems to have been good as not only did he vote a wolf but the post "Ive never voted for someone without reading their posts" is probs the villageriest thing posted at eod. I had townreads on arctic and Knights and they both voted a wolf.

Meanwhile the wolf was someone I had no real read on and didn't have too much to go off of on reread to make opinions off of. The people I was skeptical of - Ender, Rask, Jan - did not vote the wolf and voted someone I was village reading (knights for ender/rask, Jan was elsewhere).

I'm currently operating under the framework of like:

0 wolves hopefully, maaaaybe 1:
Dya
Insom
Colonel
didistetter (this is more going off others)
neb


Probably a wolf here but theyve been villagery enough and I'll deal with it later
Grr
Maple
Knights
Arctic
Gemma


Most woofs in here (unordered)
Ladd
Wisdom
Jan
Rask
Mont
Ender
Vanta



but im sure when i reread more and interact this will shake up some

can you explain why benneh is in your towncore?

and also, why didn't you cast a vote yesterday?

i am honestly like.. soulreading your posts as town today but i just want to check some things

[EnderWiggin]

Hey man

Hello supreme wolf leader.

I'll let you have my corpse in a moment, I need it for solving for like ~30 minutes to an hour.

I can pay rent I promise.

[EnderWiggin]

Hmm, I'm with ender on this one. Like here you're saying it was easy to anticipate the Syn wagon popping up in real time (bleh, missing eods is hard cause you dont get the actual feels of what was going on) but even still monts actions are not really doing anything against it right? Like, he's not ignoring it and hoping it doesn't happen because he talks about it, he's not dissuading from the wagon because he's calling it the pure, if he's anticipating it like you said he's not getting on early for credit nor staying off other wagons entirely, I just don't see an agenda here and think it makes more sense as villager uninformed eod posting

I mean could also be Frozen wolf. Which is what Stett has seen a lot recently I infer.

But yeah it's not Monty and therefore yes agree.

[Arctic]

the amount of reads i'm seeing thrown around following the formula of "There's no way X would do [openly pro-wolf thing] as wolf! They're too good to [lock wolf a team mate / blatantly push a town counterwagon to a wolf / etc!" which like.. i just can't find convincing in a playerlist of this caliber where i don't expect the wolfteam to shyly bus for no cred or just let their team fall apart

like.. what exactly are we supposed to be doing here?

kill the people who we know were helping town?

i think we just need to bite the bullet a bit here

for similar reasons i think i'm also open to killing ladd now but like.. i'd rather kill jan or rask first. especially because of one potentially important thing about ladd

[EnderWiggin]

ender, if i said "but i didnt even vote you" was a shitpost with a tinge of truth (aka, trying to be funny and silly in the way i said "idk why youre so focused on me about it i just made a read and moved on i wasnt pushing") that apparently didnt land well would that feel less weird for you

Eh, maybe?

I just felt like you didn't acknowledge that you were the prompt point for the sus on me on D1. It felt very much like a wolf starting a wagon on a towny and then disappearing into the shadows where they can be all "Wasn't me who did it I swear! The green blood is on those other people's hands!"

Shitpost or no, still felt that way. Still does now. Idk what else to say bruv.

[EnderWiggin]

the amount of reads i'm seeing thrown around following the formula of "There's no way X would do [openly pro-wolf thing] as wolf! They're too good to [lock wolf a team mate / blatantly push a town counterwagon to a wolf / etc!" which like.. i just can't find convincing in a playerlist of this caliber where i don't expect the wolfteam to shyly bus for no cred or just let their team fall apart

like.. what exactly are we supposed to be doing here?

kill the people who we know were helping town?

i think we just need to bite the bullet a bit here

for similar reasons i think i'm also open to killing ladd now but like.. i'd rather kill jan or rask first. especially because of one potentially important thing about ladd

If this is a comment about my town casing of Monty, then:

I probably shouldn't have said the line about "any wolf worth their chops" because tbh different playstyles.

But I stand my ground that I just think it's towny from Monty on D1 to enter like that at EOD when he's been absent.

[Arctic]

Syn would probably bus Rask lol
And Rask would probably avoid Syn until there's some thread temp on him

Maybe. Just my 2c

syn was wolfreading rask
that's like.. part of what makes me think they're partnered. i don't think syn was treating rask like a villager he had pocketed. it felt like cheap distancing borne of TMI that rask is wolfy for incorrectly reading syn

[Arctic]

If this is a comment about my town casing of Monty, then:

I probably shouldn't have said the line about "any wolf worth their chops" because tbh different playstyles.

But I stand my ground that I just think it's towny from Monty on D1 to enter like that at EOD when he's been absent.

no it's mainly about insomnia wifom townreading jan and wisdom wifom townreading rask when it's pretty likely there's a wolf in there

[EnderWiggin]

and ender I suck at reading. it's possible, and I think interactions look bad for him.

Interactions probably do look bad for me. I'll take that on the chin.

I defended a wolf. And probably tunnelled a town the whole time.

[EnderWiggin]

no it's mainly about insomnia wifom townreading jan and wisdom wifom townreading rask when it's pretty likely there's a wolf in there

Ah. Haven't seen that yet. I'll comment again when caught up. Tired me thinks everything is about me lol.

[EnderWiggin]

why tf is everyone fuckign wolfreading me

Sorry they saw the fur coat I leant you.

[Raskolnikov]

arglll I hate this game actually


I think I’m currently 45% chance to be lynched today.

Unfortunate.


I really think I just work way better in 12/12 with no post cap

I feel like I’m stuck in quicksand this game, everything is in slow motion, I can’t post in real time, and it’s a strong player list so I don’t want to take it easy and chill like in a weaker game.

Super awkward.

These two I dislike because it feels like the usual wolf rambling and overperception of danger itt, chained with excuse me I cant post because [howling]

and the actual gist of Jan's case is 100% what he has been doing early D1 lol



Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

but he doesn't feel commited to it (added caveat, asking for friends)

surprised it evolved in tunnel actually

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actually think Ender/knights have high partner equity (because of the way knights introduced his sus on Ender and Ender's overeaction to it)

then they proceed to team up vs Cobalt's slot !


Not sure that I agree about this characterization of cobalts play this game

But I agree with the underlying read on cobalt

So I’ll reread cobalt and double check my read there


I'd appreciate it. Cobalt is a sleeper sus of mine. Sleeper because I keep getting distracted by other susses.

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I just fundamentally disagree, I feel like thread state and seeing who the village is comfortable with voting/lynching is a huge part of solving people’s alignments, and while yes I only have 4 votes, a lot of people have signaled they would be down

Maybe I’m just more sensitive to it because it’s me, but whatever.


Not gonna keep focusing on this just thought it was worth mentioning.

see first quote of this post (kinda don't vibe with it)

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I made a case on why I think Jan is a wolf, and I’m voting him, that should be obvious.

WRT maple (mantichora) I think his fixation on grr for like 10 posts and wanting to kill the fuck out of him, and then eventually realizing what I think every one else knew from the outset that it was probably just a weird post and NAI, was super villagers and something I have done in the past as a villager. Sometimes you think you caught someone and you have to slowly realize it was probably nothing and move on.

Manti/knights/Ender/x THE SOLVE? (kinda stretching it but really this should weighted wrt the whole body of work from Manti, and then u realize it doesn't hold tbh)

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Sigh

I shouldn’t have to ATE or appeal to having to phone posting in order for you guys to not kill me here.

I’m posting somewhat obviously genuine thoughts here.

If I were a wolf my worldview would be more coherent and have a plan.

I somewhat obviously don’t have one.

People keep saying they don’t like me being defensive but until recently I was a lead wagon, I obviously have to respond to stuff, so deal with it.

call me a sucker but I like this and I do agree that D1 looked like a slog for knight lol.

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Players Votes

Raskolnikov 3 (grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan)
Theknightsofneeee 3 (EnderWiggin, Raskolnikov, Didistetter)
Gemma 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom)
sheepsaysmeep 3 (Syn, dyachei, Ladd)
Syn 3 (insomnia, Newcomb, Gemma)
EnderWiggin 1 (nebjiamn)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
ColonelLubriderm 1 (Vanta Black)


whatthistextdo


Vote: syn

Might still vote Gemma but I like that he actually got off me :3

k I think the balance 's starting to lean villa!knight

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Day 2 is mostly following up on his Jan sus and asking about Jan/me which feels based.

Smh I expected to be willing to kill the s!%? out of knights, but I actually think it's more rand than anything. the way he voted Syn is a good look though (he could have very well appealed to a vote on me à la Jan, since if wolf he knows I am gonna flip green and then Syn is off the hook for a while)

also,knights is not ww with Ladd, not ww with Jan, maybe with Ender and/or Maple. But rn I'd rather go for one of them first.

k gonna take a small break then prolly check my world view and cast another vote :curtain:

[Arctic]

also, in my opinion syn seems like the archetype of a wolf who puts at least someone in his team in the lower parts of his reads because he doesn't expect to live long and the default instinct is that it will help your teammates out later


town:
newcomb
maple
dyachei
gemma

idk fine i guess:
nebjiamn
didistetter
sunbae
grr
insomnia
c0balt

i can't recall a single post/no opinion:
arctic
vanta black
theknightsofneeee

why (diet version):
enderwiggin
colonellubriderm

why:
raskolnikov
wisdom
jan
sheepsaysmeep



are hally and montmorency actually playing this game or are they in the player list for the lulz

and like, looking at the bottom two tiers here, it's not colonel (imo posting just too good, also seemed vaguely spewed from other syn posts)
it's not sheep
i'm taking wisdom's claim at face value (saw while skimming when i woke up, but am doing a full catch up now)
so like. it's the same people i'm wanting to kill - jan and rask, or ender

maybe this is a good time to expand on my townread on ender, will also steal part of this from ladd:


Idk i am kinda scared to defend people i am not like at least 95% sure are villas because i dont have a clear wolrdview right now beyond "these guis are villagers, the wolves are in the rest"

But i kinda like ender posting, i feel he is being more direct in his pushes tham his wolf game where it felt like he was giving himself outs; he had an interrsting worldview d1; he had some funny eod posts and has felt in flow; reaction to dolby push seemed villagery. On the negative side his eod is not great but i am not sure its really wolfy?


I am almost inclined to say wisdom is a more likely wolf to me than ender

Guess we'll see what ender has to say, but thats my 2 cents atm

and there's also an idiosyncratic element here, which is ender's wolfread of me that he has for basically no reason, and is something he also did as town last game. i know this shouldn't really be something that amounts to much because lmao, but it feels like a strange thing for him to choose to replicate as a wolf because it all really does is serve to alienate me (which it did last game). guy just always finds me weird for some reason

add onto this his post about syn wagon giving him the heebies at eod, and that's another parallel i can draw to the last game here where he was town - a pretty clear lack of TMI at eod and posts which make him look surface level bad but just aren't actually wolfy

[EnderWiggin]

tbh I saw his first sequence of posts and just thought it was wolfy in the 200-215 area. He criticized me for calling it mostly stemming from a read on Knights/dya, but I got the sense that he was pushing it out without strong conviction

You straight up mischaracterised all my reads as relating to the Knights read where literally only half of them were.

[Raskolnikov]

syn was wolfreading rask
that's like.. part of what makes me think they're partnered. i don't think syn was treating rask like a villager he had pocketed. it felt like cheap distancing borne of TMI that rask is wolfy for incorrectly reading syn

no because wolf!Syn knows the moment he tryes to pocket me I'll bite (because he is so not pockety as villa smh). I don't remember if I was in thread when he did that pocket post to dya but that was wolfy for him.

[Raskolnikov]

no because wolf!Syn knows the moment he tryes to pocket me I'll bite (because he is so not pockety as villa smh). I don't remember if I was in thread when he did that pocket post to dya but that was wolfy for him.

also Arctic, don't take everything Wisdom is saying for granted fgs. Like I have never wolfed with Syn. NEVER. So everything Wisdom has said about it is literally bull shit

[Dolby]

You straight up mischaracterised all my reads as relating to the Knights read where literally only half of them were.

Ender who are my teammates

Arctic I think your logic is sound but if less likely to hold with Syn and Rasks interpersonal dynamic. I’m not in a place where I can say more on this rn

[EnderWiggin]

something else i remember - ender to argue that "we normally vibe together [arctic] as v/v" feels pretty ridiculous given i can't remember playing any non-hydra non-team games with you excepting last game in which you thought i was a wolf roughly the entire game despite killing half the wolfteam and being townread by everyone, up until the point of literally being mech cleared for not hammering in f4

so for you to spin your read as "well we normally vibe and aren't here" shows a pretty disturbing lack of touch with reality at best or is just made up at worst, and if it's the former then i implore you to take a less reductive approach because i have a lot of actual content to work with extending past "vibes"

I'd like to apologise.

For some reason I had crossed you and Vulgard in my head.

My first reaction was to go find the game that started "us vibing" and then I looked and you weren't even in that game.

I probably should've been less tired playing werewolf lmao.

[Jan]

This one might be a tactical mistake because the pressure on me is not that big right now and my name is more floating than being pushed.

But I am sick and have not slept a lot in the last 24 hours. I am likely to fall asleep between now and end of day, and I won't make it back to defend myself if that happens.

I am a village pr.
I have no intention of claiming more than that right now because I have no crucial information to give.
And claiming more than this only helps wolves.

This is why I thought Maple's inverted claim was weird because I do not think my role can be inverted (or only in odd ways).

[insomnia]

the amount of reads i'm seeing thrown around following the formula of "There's no way X would do [openly pro-wolf thing] as wolf! They're too good to [lock wolf a team mate / blatantly push a town counterwagon to a wolf / etc!" which like.. i just can't find convincing in a playerlist of this caliber where i don't expect the wolfteam to shyly bus for no cred or just let their team fall apart

like.. what exactly are we supposed to be doing here?

kill the people who we know were helping town?

i think we just need to bite the bullet a bit here

for similar reasons i think i'm also open to killing ladd now but like.. i'd rather kill jan or rask first. especially because of one potentially important thing about ladd

i kinda feel like we're just gonna kill jan, esp if he's not here for EoD

meh

[EnderWiggin]

Ender who are my teammates

Arctic I think your logic is sound but if less likely to hold with Syn and Rasks interpersonal dynamic. I’m not in a place where I can say more on this rn

Idrc?

I'm not here to make worldviews rn. My brain is 3 painkillers and more coffee than I can count deep, it's 1am, and the only reason I'm awake is because I didn't want to let people down when I joined a werewolf game.

Also like, you aren't isolated enough to call for a "I have no teammates" read.

[EnderWiggin]

Also tbh my associative reads have been kinda shit in more recent games. I've been much more accurate relying on specific wolfiness.

[Dolby]

I meant that more as in what are your other wolfreads

Cause I feel like it’s just been me

[EnderWiggin]

I meant that more as in what are your other wolfreads

Cause I feel like it’s just been me

I wonder where my vote is.

Ain't on you bruv.

[Raskolnikov]

dya
arctic
stett
gemma
insom
Benneh
Dolby
Bop
Grr
knights

sunbae
ladd
Montmo
Vanta
Ender

Jan
Wisdom
Maple

Vote: Maple

[EnderWiggin]

Also I have very vocally sussed Benneh and Sunbae.

You aren't really reading me if you've missed that.

[EnderWiggin]

See, this is why I'm sussing you rn.

You're peppering me with questions while I'm trying to catch up. But the questions aren't even really coherent. They're busy work. My LAST catchup where I sparred with you I literally TALK about my Sunbae/Benneh susses while you're in thread.

But here you hit me with the "You're only talking about sussing me" which is fucking false.

And you're doing this while I'm trying to read/concentrate on catching up and reading, and I know you know that I dislike defending myself because I feel that's the easiest thing to do as a wolf and focusing on that takes me away from actually reading people.

[Raskolnikov]

dya
arctic
stett
gemma
insom
Benneh
Dolby
Bop
Grr
knights

sunbae
ladd
Montmo
Vanta
Ender

Jan
Wisdom
Maple

Vote: Maple

nvm Jan should be in the nulls and I just saw his claim so I am prolly not voting him toDay

[nebjiamn]

also, in my opinion syn seems like the archetype of a wolf who puts at least someone in his team in the lower parts of his reads because he doesn't expect to live long and the default instinct is that it will help your teammates out later



and like, looking at the bottom two tiers here, it's not colonel (imo posting just too good, also seemed vaguely spewed from other syn posts)
it's not sheep
i'm taking wisdom's claim at face value (saw while skimming when i woke up, but am doing a full catch up now)
so like. it's the same people i'm wanting to kill - jan and rask, or ender

maybe this is a good time to expand on my townread on ender, will also steal part of this from ladd:



and there's also an idiosyncratic element here, which is ender's wolfread of me that he has for basically no reason, and is something he also did as town last game. i know this shouldn't really be something that amounts to much because lmao, but it feels like a strange thing for him to choose to replicate as a wolf because it all really does is serve to alienate me (which it did last game). guy just always finds me weird for some reason

add onto this his post about syn wagon giving him the heebies at eod, and that's another parallel i can draw to the last game here where he was town - a pretty clear lack of TMI at eod and posts which make him look surface level bad but just aren't actually wolfy

i read what you are saying and I can sorta buy it but i also think if framed differently it becomes the same argument you used about jan/rask. his post about the syn wagon for example is just like -- to quote you -- "There's no way X would do [openly pro-wolf thing] as wolf! They're too good to [lock wolf a team mate / blatantly push a town counterwagon to a wolf / etc!"

why is his comment a lack of TMI but rask or jan's not (i dont even disagree about rask really, i do think jan is likely town, but why does ender get cushier treatment)

genuine question and not antagonistic, i just dont follow WHY you are townreading him for these things even though you gave reasons as to why it could be town. "i dont know why he'd choose to replicate this as a wolf" when you are towning him at least partially for it is a good example of one of those cognitive dissonance type posts that drive me crazy (no offense and i know i do it too).

[EnderWiggin]

Also I'm ngl last night it was more me flirting with sussing you because you felt weirdly pedantic about my posts.

And you replaced into a slot I sussed.

[nebjiamn]

Also I have very vocally sussed Benneh and Sunbae.

You aren't really reading me if you've missed that.

q: have you re-read me or given takes on my posting other than for hwen i called you out in relation to the sunbae post? is your push on me basically still omgus?

[EnderWiggin]

q: have you re-read me or given takes on my posting other than for hwen i called you out in relation to the sunbae post? is your push on me basically still omgus?

I honestly don't remember what I've put in thread, but the core of it was you jumping on me opportunistically sure.

I've barely been able to catch up so idk what you want with me to "re-read" you.

[nebjiamn]

I honestly don't remember what I've put in thread, but the core of it was you jumping on me opportunistically sure.

I've barely been able to catch up so idk what you want with me to "re-read" you.

im just curious if your read has evolved or revalidated / whatever mostly

[Arctic]

In the world I live in (syn woof, me villa) there is no need for Ladd to be so adamant pushing a villa read on me when 1 I am afk most of the day 2 thread momentum at eod makes me a prime yeet target. W!ladd can just look elsewhere and let the village kill me.
Gemma: yes

this is in part why i'm kind of coming around to you and ladd being w/w
mostly just ladd either way because like. he was townreading jan too based on vague meta stuff when other people were voicing concerns

[ladd]

There is something about firefighter claims that spooks me lmao

Like they always seem fake to me even when they are real

@artic i dont get what u are saying about me/jan? I villa read him d1, thought his eod was bad and pushed him d2 (i def voiced concerns) and then re settled to him being okaysh


Anyway there is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom

[Arctic]

i read what you are saying and I can sorta buy it but i also think if framed differently it becomes the same argument you used about jan/rask. his post about the syn wagon for example is just like -- to quote you -- "There's no way X would do [openly pro-wolf thing] as wolf! They're too good to [lock wolf a team mate / blatantly push a town counterwagon to a wolf / etc!"

why is his comment a lack of TMI but rask or jan's not (i dont even disagree about rask really, i do think jan is likely town, but why does ender get cushier treatment)

genuine question and not antagonistic, i just dont follow WHY you are townreading him for these things even though you gave reasons as to why it could be town. "i dont know why he'd choose to replicate this as a wolf" when you are towning him at least partially for it is a good example of one of those cognitive dissonance type posts that drive me crazy (no offense and i know i do it too).

the difference here is that it's not really pro-wolf. he doesn't achieve anything by doing it other than hoping he gets townread for a lack of TMI. this is different to the case of insomnia townreading jan, because there is more of a clear reason for jan to do what he did especially in this case if rask is a villager.. as ladd put it it's literally the perfect crime to vote out town!rask incorrectly townreading wolf!syn to both get a villager out instead of a wolf and increase syn's survivability using rask's read as he dies. this is way more meticulous than "syn wagon gives me the heebies" which doesn't really do anything in the moment to help the wolf agenda. wisdom townreading rask for his read on syn is probably more comparable, but even that has a pretty clear explanation for why it can come from a wolf - people treat rask as an authority on syn and that read can keep him alive for longer

[Maple]

My bad chat, I spent the entire night getting botches instead of posting into the game of werewolf

That one's on me

[Arctic]

There is something about firefighter claims that spooks me lmao

Like they always seem fake to me even when they are real

@artic i dont get what u are saying about me/jan? I villa read him d1, thought his eod was bad and pushed him d2 (i def voiced concerns) and then re settled to him being okaysh


Anyway there is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom

i guess the point i'm more making with this is that as things become more apparent your day 1 is looking significantly worse

and it's like.. not bad enough to be like yeah ladd's outted but it's enough to give me the heebies (to quote ender) and insomnia's read is also rubbing off a bit on me

that's why i'm struggling because i agree with the towncore you've given today, but i would probably rather kill the names at the top of your poe than your bottom. so in general it feels like you've kinda been toe'ing the line with wolfsiding

we hardly have any flips yet, but with jan/rask imo always containing a wolf and you townreading both day 1, sheep being town and you pushing him, not pushing on syn much at all*, your only saving grace imo is if knights/gemma are wolves and i don't really think that's the case

i'm guilty of most of this too which is why it feels wrong and i said this earlier, but like. melding with you on stuff maybe isn't the best reason to townread you if the melds weren't correct

* i saw the post you made where you said you'd vig syn if you had to kill someone right now, but i think that's a pretty smooth post to make as a wolf because you aren't being held accountable to it later! like that post was made close to the start of the game, it's something people can look back on to think it looks good but, as evidenced by eod, it was not something you actually had to commit to

[EnderWiggin]

im just curious if your read has evolved or revalidated / whatever mostly

You've spent most of the posts in my catch up egging people/reads on without much I find towny so idk why I'd change that.

Read evolved from Omgus to fry.gif at level 21

[nebjiamn]

You've spent most of the posts in my catch up egging people/reads on without much I find towny so idk why I'd change that.

Read evolved from Omgus to fry.gif at level 21

thats not a valid pokemon evolution path

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Raskolnikov


fine giving ender some space, would rather go rask than jan but could also vote maple ig

[EnderWiggin]

In counterpoint to Arctic I kinda thought Ladd looked ~okay.

When I have played against him as wolf he's tended to find weak town players and push them relentlessly. (Point of fact, I was one of the players he pushed when wolf.)

Alongside the melds that Arctic is directly talking about, I also just don't feel that the "Wolf!Ladd finding town targets to push" exists here in so much as I'd expect.

Maybe I'm wrong. But maybe I'm right ya know?

[ladd]

i guess the point i'm more making with this is that as things become more apparent your day 1 is looking significantly worse

and it's like.. not bad enough to be like yeah ladd's outted but it's enough to give me the heebies (to quote ender) and insomnia's read is also rubbing off a bit on me

that's why i'm struggling because i agree with the towncore you've given today, but i would probably rather kill the names at the top of your poe than your bottom. so in general it feels like you've kinda been toe'ing the line with wolfsiding

we hardly have any flips yet, but with jan/rask imo always containing a wolf and you townreading both day 1, sheep being town and you pushing him, not pushing on syn much at all*, your only saving grace imo is if knights/gemma are wolves and i don't really think that's the case

i'm guilty of most of this too which is why it feels wrong and i said this earlier, but like. melding with you on stuff maybe isn't the best reason to townread you if the melds weren't correct

* i saw the post you made where you said you'd vig syn if you had to kill someone right now, but i think that's a pretty smooth post to make as a wolf because you aren't being held accountable to it later! like that post was made close to the start of the game, it's something people can look back on to think it looks good but, as evidenced by eod, it was not something you actually had to commit to

There is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom (jan/wisdom obviousky dont both fakeclaim pr as w/w, rask/jan are unpaired from eod and rask/wisdom i have unpaired from both a couple of d1 posts and the stuff today)

You villaread ender

So like who are the wolves?

[Maple]

We probably have give or take 5 PRs total in this game, ff, Jan, the vigi +2 assuming both claims are real and assuming Jan isn't the vigi (which is a very good assumption). I maintain I think the inverter is >rand v for targeting me n1.

Assuming we're up against an arso, it also makes claiming in a 22er relatively safe. Relatively speaking. As in, *very* relative - we have a lot of villagers that need chewing before the numbers get tough.

So to that end, I should probably claim that I recieved the 10 of Swords last night -- which, long story short, is a 1-shot nerfed PGO.

This relates to my role, which was indeed inverted but frankly sucks even more now. The specifics don't matter because the biggest change to my role is that it now gives feedback!

[Arctic]

if i had to guess death flavor would probably be kp

[Arctic]

There is max 1 wolf in rask/jan/wisdom (jan/wisdom obviousky dont both fakeclaim pr as w/w, rask/jan are unpaired from eod and rask/wisdom i have unpaired from both a couple of d1 posts and the stuff today)

You villaread ender

So like who are the wolves?

dunno. you? rask? dolby? benneh? maple? monte/vanta could be anything

[Jan]

i guess the point i'm more making with this is that as things become more apparent your day 1 is looking significantly worse

and it's like.. not bad enough to be like yeah ladd's outted but it's enough to give me the heebies (to quote ender) and insomnia's read is also rubbing off a bit on me

that's why i'm struggling because i agree with the towncore you've given today, but i would probably rather kill the names at the top of your poe than your bottom. so in general it feels like you've kinda been toe'ing the line with wolfsiding

we hardly have any flips yet, but with jan/rask imo always containing a wolf and you townreading both day 1, sheep being town and you pushing him, not pushing on syn much at all*, your only saving grace imo is if knights/gemma are wolves and i don't really think that's the case

i'm guilty of most of this too which is why it feels wrong and i said this earlier, but like. melding with you on stuff maybe isn't the best reason to townread you if the melds weren't correct

* i saw the post you made where you said you'd vig syn if you had to kill someone right now, but i think that's a pretty smooth post to make as a wolf because you aren't being held accountable to it later! like that post was made close to the start of the game, it's something people can look back on to think it looks good but, as evidenced by eod, it was not something you actually had to commit to

this is a dangerous narrative to push.

rask can be a wolf and if he is then I am just the best player in this game.
but rask could be a villager, I am an total idiot (and still the best player in this game).

you are not the first to push this narrative and I said before that there are a lot of worlds in between and you seem to ignore them for reasons.

[EnderWiggin]

While we're at it I might as well claim PR too.

Idk if Stett got any info about my targeting her last night but there's that.

[Arctic]

We probably have give or take 5 PRs total in this game, ff, Jan, the vigi +2 assuming both claims are real and assuming Jan isn't the vigi (which is a very good assumption). I maintain I think the inverter is >rand v for targeting me n1.

Assuming we're up against an arso, it also makes claiming in a 22er relatively safe. Relatively speaking. As in, *very* relative - we have a lot of villagers that need chewing before the numbers get tough.

So to that end, I should probably claim that I recieved the 10 of Swords last night -- which, long story short, is a 1-shot nerfed PGO.

This relates to my role, which was indeed inverted but frankly sucks even more now. The specifics don't matter because the biggest change to my role is that it now gives feedback!

do you think any of this should factor into my read on you because ngl it's all going straight over my head especially since i imagine it was villagers that targeted you

and what good does claiming that you have a PGO do, exactly

[nebjiamn]

i too am a PR

my target last night was ur mommotion was detected

[Arctic]

wait did jan claim PR too

[EnderWiggin]

Are we in a role madness game.

[Maple]

do you think any of this should factor into my read on you because ngl it's all going straight over my head especially since i imagine it was villagers that targeted you

and what good does claiming that you have a PGO do, exactly

It means I don't accidently kill a vigi or a cop on a future night where I happen to decide to activate. Or I'm a wolf and I don't want to be checked, one or the other.

But no, the inverted version of my role is self resolving. And yes I was playing dumb on the whole inversion thing earlier.

[Jan]

i too am a PR

my target last night was ur mommotion was detected

I'm happy for her.

Single and ready to mingle.

[Raskolnikov]

Are we in a role madness game.

Maybe. I have left enough hints itt myself.

[Maple]

The arso is probably Tower. Locking that read in.

[Arctic]

blah you just wrote a few sentences on why im a villager and then didnt get to the right conclusionnnnnnnnnnn

I can't help myself it's time to talk about me! I'm a polarized player if you know what to look for because I'm doing two totally different things when I village or wolf. It's why people like Visor just snap me off. Most people try to read me through a lens of "is she making logical cases and consistent arguments? Is the tone good? Is there fire?" and like, you're just gonna struggle if that's the case. The tone is gonna be fine as a wolf, I'm going to have fire usually because my brain won't let me not care/try hard, and the arguments/cases/defenses I put out are going to be mostly sound because I'm trying hard to make them be mostly sound. Thats why people think it's hard to read me! But it's not if you just know what to look for. As a wolf I'm full of agenda and every single thing I'm doing has a purpose. Whether it's to get in the right thread position (towney but not in a way where people wonder why im not dead in four days!), getting credit for future flip, defending partners, getting the thread in the right vibe to make wolfing easier (zomg everyones so villagery! mechanics twisted hunting! everyone take it easy we dont need to dig through stuff we're doing well as is! things like that), etc. When I village I'm just kind of doing my own thing, out on an island, making my reads, trying to get people to listen to me a bit (and then getting mildly flustered when nobody does), all over the place, and sometimes things just dont make sense because I'm exploring options or making mental mistakes or jumped from point a to point d and missed something along the way etc. I've joked before that people find me more villagery when I wolf and it's because I do things people find villagery as a wolf and just do things that help me solve the game as a villager (note: i am not saying people always find me villagery as a wolf or anything, just like making a more often general statement etc).

So in this game I've made hard, consistent reads I believe in. They've been on an island, people don't really agree with me for the most part but I just keep them because they are real reads and not things I'm trying to get thread position for. I don't really care much about what people have me as outside of when two people are saying opposite things about me and finding me wolfy for them (knights/ender, rask calling me consensusy and others asking me wtf im doing) which is objectively funny (and understandable! different people have different things they find wolfy!) I care zero about future positioning (i didnt even vote, got distracted by reading through stuff and bouncing posts back and forth before i left and forgot to). I'm just existing as I am and have zero attempts to throw weight around or adjust the gameflow or anything really.

But this is always the fun part of these things (and why I inevitably end up talking about it every game!): I can say all these factual statements and nobody can really believe them because we're in the game and it's impossible to take them at face value while its going on (and post game people don't really care enough to go back and check because so much more interesting thigns happened and everyones exhausted anyways). Like from my pov I am an obvious villager (like, legit obvious villager not the funny meme one I say about myself to make benneh laugh in turbos). Alas, who can believe me when I could be lying :(



Ok that's that but I'm glad I got to do it

is this the iaafr unconvincing self-meta towntell

[ColonelLubriderm]

The arso is probably Tower. Locking that read in.

YOU MISPELLED WISDOM;

9 POSTS LEFT

[didistetter]

Sorry about the tone in the last post.

Stett you're right that I haven't focused you that much but I still think there's a huge difference from that game.

I'm going away for a family gathering for the rest of the day and might not be able to be here except for popins, and since I'm a focus slot right now I'm just going to claim.

I am Strength, a 2-shot firefighter.

That means there are likely an arsonist, wolf or 3p, hence why I think Sheep wasn't killed by wolf kp.

I have played games with firefighters without arsonists tho so who knows :wowee:

mmm

pr vibes make sense ig.

leaving this to maf for now, mildly twitchy b/c i've never seen firefighter as a town role, but the post wrt sheep makes plausible sense for assuming arsonist

[Maple]

vote: dolby

Just going to reiterate, for the people in the back, that my role is confirmable and therefore selfresolving.

If I call bop Arctic knights sunbae stett v
And I call wisdom Jan v

That leaves me with 11 leftover. So I'm basically halfway there. Granted, I feel like there's a very real chance that I'm pocketed as fuck.

Continuing to yolo shit out

So sorting names into two categories

Ben grr ender gemma Mont venti

Ladd rask dolby dya

I'm missing one person. But we can call those rough unordered tiers. With the top tier being "I have any conceivable reason to call this person a villager but I don't personally buy it" and "I have no real reason to call this person a villager" respectively

So I suppose this mysterious 11th person belongs in the second group

Yall I got bad news. My solve this game is dogshit.

[didistetter]

idk vibes, the way u came out today pushing rask felt agenda-y, why does it feel like a pot shot

since you'll probably also want to know about my gif above i didnt like the recent post i quoted bc ur saying you're talking about a monty read but ur words are about unrelated ppl and what u said doesnt apply to monty in this game (his syn stance would've allowed him to join the wagon), not saying i think u should have a different opinion about monty just the way ur wording there icks me shrug

Gemma idk if this helps but:

i prefer to read people off posts, but his posting just feels null to me. i agree his shade on syn would have allowed him to vote him somewhat sensically, but thats part of why dropping to unvote was off to me

maybe its a new player issue im too broadly applying, but i've played several games recently where wolves unvoted to make tied wagons, b/c they got less flack for it so it pings me.

people make wrong reads all the time and its super possible rask was just wrong town.

but i also don't like his posts.

im struggling to articulate it, but it just feels very like... devoid of vibes

it's actually kinda a similar place as ladd to me this game?

some of the stuff they say sounds good, but its just not clicking in a way thats abnormal for me

espec wrt to ladd, i want to tr him; there just like an invisible wall in my head coming from something about his posting that im struggling to climb over

rask is that, but its like i can see the wall, i just cant describe the material


idk if that makes any sense at all but, its the best i can describe it :jarswim:

[Maple]

Confidence in my v reads? Low.

[Maple]

Anyway I gotta go be gay for a few hours bbl

[ladd]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154781-Motion-Detect-15er-GAME-THREAD) org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti

[Raskolnikov]

Syn ISO Early D1:

P1: Fluff opening, TRed by Gemma. Colonel (CL) susses Gemma for finding Syn's post townier than stetter's.

P2: Syn jokingly SRs CL for posting too much.

P3: Knights trending Syn down for being against CL, still g2h town.

P4: Jan: "The syn villa reads are weird. Syn will be readable and there is no reason to force it this early."

P5: Wisdom shares a song with Syn. Syn responds to Jan from P4 by claiming to be mysterious and unreadable. Syn calls Maple based for SRing sheep off "6 words." Syn asks Wisdom what tapioca is.

P6: Syn discusses song with Wisdom, who tells them about tapioca. Syn wants to vote Sleep, not Sheep (Insomnia?). Gemma banters with Syn over his indirect Maple-Sheep read. Arctic finds Wisdom's music-post directed at Syn "kinda wrong." Rask kinda agrees with Syn about CL SR,

wants to kill CL and Vanta, locks Syn town.

P7: Arctic interrogates Rask over Syn, asks about meta. Rask explains that Syn should be direct and aggressive, elaborates on his own CL and Vanta SLs.

P9: Rask finds Syn OK for now. Newcomb can hardly believe Syn has posted, he's so UTR.

P10: Wisdom hedges on Syn, asks Rask for advice: "I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset." Newcomb asks ladd whom he would dayvig, ladd suggests Syn to be "boring" (sounds like PIS, as this is ladd's first-ever comment on Syn). Ladd goes on to clarify he's not convinced Syn is scum, understands why Rask TRs them, but offers a Syn post that "was out of character for their villa self, but I am not sure how serious it is."








All distancing. Syn-ladd-Gemma-Colonel-[REDACTED]/[REDACTED]/[REDACTED] possible. Though I could believe Gemma is just collateral damage with a certain playstyle.

I do suspect ladd's relationship with Syn in this game may turn out to be comparable to his relationship with dya (and Kage?) in Casual December - kind of hedging and avoiding their lhf partner.

Also, he didn't vote all day, though he specifically noted early on that he votes once in late day as a defense mechanism.

Worst of all, I think Syn may have spewed him here (this isn't fully in the ISO yet but it's important enough to note separately).

So, first check the p10 ISO where ladd discusses Syn. Syn objects to this on p13, then posts a full leans list that excludes Montmorency and ladd. But it doesn't just exclude ladd, it mentions Hally instead of him, even though he was just interacting with ladd.

It smacks of very distinct distancing of the kind I've seen from ladd in the aforementioned Casual December game. Raskolnikov should give this a sanity check.

the pattern as far as I can read (checked 3 pages off the 4 of his ISO) was kinda powerwolfing, handing small TRs to partners unless hard sussed (he followed Boq on saying Kage might be a wolf ) but latching hard on wack villagers (Ender lol). could see it here with Syn in lieu of Kage and Sheep in lieu of Ender. (need to check what was Ladd's first read on Syn before he said he'd dayvig him replying to idontrememberwho)

Montmorency

I dunno if I have the balls to vote Ladd but I am getting there. Still like my Maple vote more for now. But pending. Will read Ladd's ISO in this game sometimes soon.

[ladd]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154781-Motion-Detect-15er-GAME-THREAD) org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti

correction - if there is a villa arso then firefighter is a villa role


if there is an MD i am inclined to think it's a wolf role



last alternative would be visor putting it in to troll but eh





I dunno if I have the balls to vote Ladd but I am getting there. Still like my Maple vote more for now. But pending. Will read Ladd's ISO in this game sometimes soon.

i am genuinely an incredibly easy villa read from your pov, i have no idea how you are even considering it lol

[ladd]

While we're at it I might as well claim PR too.

Idk if Stett got any info about my targeting her last night but there's that.

so did you didistetter

did everyone just ignore ender claiming pr or am i missing a joke

[didistetter]

This is going to be blah blah meta.

But:
At the point Monty was at, he would know (if we assume you're correct in that people would see the Syn wagon in the distance) that his "decisive" vote switch in the point to change it from Rask to Syn would be looked at a LOT better.

Monty's EOD is a Monty that doesn't care how he's seen. He's not looking to capitalise on his partner dying. But he's also not trying to avoid his partner dying.

That's not the wolf!Monty I know.

But also any wolf worth their chops wouldn't get caught frozen with their pants down.

The unvote + Encouraging Syn wagon is like trying to bus without the cred. It's just ~bad. And I wouldn't necessarily townread it from a random player. Which is why my original statement was "For Monty and how he played EOD".

This is, of course, where Monty is wolf and I look like a clown. But GTH that EOD is much more town from him.

good post tbh.

Vote: Unvote

[Raskolnikov]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154781-Motion-Detect-15er-GAME-THREAD) org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti

I actually think Maple is clicking button as the threadstate is allowing him to.

kinda not vibing with stett's most recent posts too smh. (It feels like nobody is acknowledging the fact I've been built up as last minute cw to a flipped wolf when afk)

[didistetter]

so did you didistetter

did everyone just ignore ender claiming pr or am i missing a joke

oh.

i didnt get any feedback

EnderWiggin does your role indicate you should give feedback?

assuming this means ender is claiming prot (fucking rough)
town kp on sheep mafia probs assume its dya lets be so fr

wisdom claiming firefighter
maple claims inverted
maple/bop claim neighbors

hm.

22p, 5 wolves:
id assume some form of investigative but maybe not
feels unlikely neighbors + vig + prot + firefighter is all town but ig its possible

[Raskolnikov]

ladd: I am actually factoring in Bop's post about sheep being a PR. I had missed that in my overnight catch up. Posted about it this morning (but apparently u and arctic missed it or are unwilling to acknowledge that)

[Raskolnikov]

u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.

[didistetter]

There is uh something that doesnt add up in the setup imo

I am very very sceptic that the wolves have an arsonist cause wolf arsonist is an extremely swingy role that i doubt visor would put in the game



i just spent 10 minutes ctrl+fing "visor" and "firefighter" on MU to see what he thought of them

he did propose a setup with a villa firefighter a villa arsonist once. he never had a wolf arsonist

he also quoted this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154781-Motion-Detect-15er-GAME-THREAD) org game as a good setup, where there was a wolf fighter which use was to distract the village motion detector


so quick summary:

- if there is MD or villa arsonist, firefighter is prob village role. if neither exists, i dont see what's its use since again i really really doubt there is a wolf arso so i'd say it's a wolf role





i have no idea what manti is claiming, 1 shot PGO is such a bizzare thing to give to manti
ladd do you think villy would ever get both arso and vig?

espec with no proof of maf extra kp *yet* that feels kinda op

[ladd]

ladd: I am actually factoring in Bop's post about sheep being a PR. I had missed that in my overnight catch up. Posted about it this morning (but apparently u and arctic missed it or are unwilling to acknowledge that)

alrighty and?

why would i care about someone else thinking a third person was a pr so much that i'd want to push them over you when you were right there

[didistetter]

u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.

oh.


well i rlly gotta reread dya now :wowee:

[ladd]

ladd do you think villy would ever get both arso and vig?

espec with no proof of maf extra kp *yet* that feels kinda op

prolly no, in fact i am considering that wisdom could be a wolf




i kinda wanna lunch benneh ngl

[didistetter]

We probably have give or take 5 PRs total in this game, ff, Jan, the vigi +2 assuming both claims are real and assuming Jan isn't the vigi (which is a very good assumption). I maintain I think the inverter is >rand v for targeting me n1.

Assuming we're up against an arso, it also makes claiming in a 22er relatively safe. Relatively speaking. As in, *very* relative - we have a lot of villagers that need chewing before the numbers get tough.

So to that end, I should probably claim that I recieved the 10 of Swords last night -- which, long story short, is a 1-shot nerfed PGO.

This relates to my role, which was indeed inverted but frankly sucks even more now. The specifics don't matter because the biggest change to my role is that it now gives feedback!

ugh shoulda full caught up before wasting posts/time sorry gimme a min.

what does pgo mean?

[Raskolnikov]

oh.


well i rlly gotta reread dya now :wowee:

y wowee ur this D2 frankly.

Wisdom is prolly a wolf. Maple too. prolly killing whoever is alive in these 2 tonight

ladd: there are so many reasons I swear. (say u tryed to yeet sheep, don't wanna bring too much attention to ur slot when u opportunistically kill a villa. for instance, not going this avenue any longer friendo)

[didistetter]

This one might be a tactical mistake because the pressure on me is not that big right now and my name is more floating than being pushed.

But I am sick and have not slept a lot in the last 24 hours. I am likely to fall asleep between now and end of day, and I won't make it back to defend myself if that happens.

I am a village pr.
I have no intention of claiming more than that right now because I have no crucial information to give.
And claiming more than this only helps wolves.

This is why I thought Maple's inverted claim was weird because I do not think my role can be inverted (or only in odd ways).

lol well that should hardclear my ass if tru :curtain:

[ladd]

ugh shoulda full caught up before wasting posts/time sorry gimme a min.

what does pgo mean?

paranoid gun owner

kills everyone who visit them (but manti is claiming nerfed so prolly only kills 1 visitor)

[ColonelLubriderm]

i want to kill maple solely for not engaging in thread at all with my made up neighborhood;

i also think the firefighter claim is kind of bullshit but regardless of it being bullshit or not i b et it means a wolf arsonist exists and they are using it as a fakeclaim because who really uses firefighters(note if in the last 2 years a meta of firefighters in small games exists then lol me).

i think arsonist makes sense because i think a full wolf vig makes a 22 person setup kind of swingy and arsonist makes it less so; firefighter seems kind of a silly role but who knows

i believe rask is a villa who killed sheep;

i think that makes knights/gemma kind of towny based on eod 1 because they could have possibly killed rasko; asterisk here because bussing happens

I think wolves are four of wisdom/ender/ladd/benneh/jan/sunbae/maple

i dont think ender/benneh are w/w

wisdom oddly villa read ender/jan day 1 based on nothing it seems and im not sure what to make of it

i currently like montmore/vanta for low confidence reasons, monte for tying the wagons with his unvote because i lean toward that being an action to "see what happens" and not "lets save xyz" thus lightly villagy. Vanta i kinda just believed the overwhelmed post and just read it villagy at the time. ymmv with those

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[Maple]

I will once again reiterate

my role is

confirmable

and

self resolving

---

bop i want you to know, i was going to claim an entirely fictional n0 action where i recruited you as a neighbor and was fabricating extra abilities for myself to be able to do so. Would have been really funny if you rescinded after all that and got me killed.

Anyway, I'll be on-on at about... 1 or 2?

[didistetter]

@nebjiamin

so where would you look rn with ender and jan off the table?

[ladd]

Id be surprised if there is a villa firefighter AND a wolf arso cause that would be brutal for wolves

Firefighter in a 22er honestly does feel fake to me cause its basically rng

I dont think there is a wolf arso anyway cause its like such a swingy kp to put in a normal game and wolves would have almost no way to counteract the villa kp. Idk it feels too slow to me


Fwiw in recent times almost all the times i have seen firefighter used has been as a wolf role to distract a motion detector

unvote

[didistetter]

i want to kill maple solely for not engaging in thread at all with my made up neighborhood;

i also think the firefighter claim is kind of bullshit but regardless of it being bullshit or not i b et it means a wolf arsonist exists and they are using it as a fakeclaim because who really uses firefighters(note if in the last 2 years a meta of firefighters in small games exists then lol me).

i think arsonist makes sense because i think a full wolf vig makes a 22 person setup kind of swingy and arsonist makes it less so; firefighter seems kind of a silly role but who knows

i believe rask is a villa who killed sheep;

i think that makes knights/gemma kind of towny based on eod 1 because they could have possibly killed rasko; asterisk here because bussing happens

I think wolves are four of wisdom/ender/ladd/benneh/jan/sunbae/maple

i dont think ender/benneh are w/w

wisdom oddly villa read ender/jan day 1 based on nothing it seems and im not sure what to make of it

i currently like montmore/vanta for low confidence reasons, monte for tying the wagons with his unvote because i lean toward that being an action to "see what happens" and not "lets save xyz" thus lightly villagy. Vanta i kinda just believed the overwhelmed post and just read it villagy at the time. ymmv with those

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frankly if wisdom is wolf i think she probs TMId them and stuck to it.
jan read feels more pockety/appealy than w/w

ender and jan both claiming pr is more believable to me than wisdom. I had a p strong pr read on jan, and ender feels viably prot

i need to finish reading back: but based off current claims:

Wisdom claims Strength, a 2-shot firefighter #1789 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858626&viewfull=1#post2053858626)

Jan claims village pr, role probably couldn’t be inverted #1851 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858689&viewfull=1#post2053858689)

Enderwiggin claims PR who targeted didistetter n1 #1880 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858718&viewfull=1#post2053858718)

Raskolnikov claims vig shot on sheep #1904 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858742&viewfull=1#post2053858742)

Maple claims a confirmable and self resolving role, claims to have received the 10 of Swords which = 1 shot nerfed PGO, claims neighbors with Colonel
#1876 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858714&viewfull=1#post2053858714)

sword vendor + rask's vig are def at odds with town arso.

ig it makes wolf arso possible?

im kinda confused but ngl i wanna call ladd/wisdom a diff check :curtain:

if wisdom is legit firefighter and ender isnt prot he might be arso claiming pr lol but i dont wanna think about that yet

[ladd]

i want to kill maple solely for not engaging in thread at all with my made up neighborhood;

i also think the firefighter claim is kind of bullshit but regardless of it being bullshit or not i b et it means a wolf arsonist exists and they are using it as a fakeclaim because who really uses firefighters(note if in the last 2 years a meta of firefighters in small games exists then lol me).

i think arsonist makes sense because i think a full wolf vig makes a 22 person setup kind of swingy and arsonist makes it less so; firefighter seems kind of a silly role but who knows

i believe rask is a villa who killed sheep;

i think that makes knights/gemma kind of towny based on eod 1 because they could have possibly killed rasko; asterisk here because bussing happens

I think wolves are four of wisdom/ender/ladd/benneh/jan/sunbae/maple

i dont think ender/benneh are w/w

wisdom oddly villa read ender/jan day 1 based on nothing it seems and im not sure what to make of it

i currently like montmore/vanta for low confidence reasons, monte for tying the wagons with his unvote because i lean toward that being an action to "see what happens" and not "lets save xyz" thus lightly villagy. Vanta i kinda just believed the overwhelmed post and just read it villagy at the time. ymmv with those

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Wisdom/jan arent w/w cause there is no way the wolves plan was for them to both claim pr b2b IYAM

wisdom/ender i guess it s possible tho i still villaread ender

[theknightsofneeee]

okay i'm here lets do this shit

where to start where to start...



Where i'm at before a full day 2 read/reread.

gonna look into ladd/jan's day 2 and see where i'm at on both of them (i have read their day 2's but not digested them so i want to see if that changes my reads on them)

want to look into sunbae more

want to look into vanta/mont and sort them

currently have

dya/benneh/maple/didi/dolby/bop/wisdom (after the claim)/insomnia/gemma all as villagers

want to kill outside of that group, and while I def lean jan personally atm, i honestly haven't looked at many others closely enough yet to really strongly advocate for jan over those atm


i think the syn wagon is mostly clean (with the exception of maybe arctic), all the votes felt villagery and not forced, and even bop/dya's votes on syn felt good too.

benneh is the villa read i'm softening on the most with time, but i haven't really read his day 2 yet so i'll do that first before I potentially move him in my reads.

anyone have questions/comments/concerns pls ask/tag me, and I will respond as I get to it.

[ladd]

vote:neb

Idk, en guarde or something

Really gonna spare my posts now cause i have a feeling ill need them at eod to defend myself

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamin

so where would you look rn with ender and jan off the table?
Hmmm

Well, I was thinking rask but he also claimed

I’d lean maple rn but I kinda wanna see what happens over the. Text few hours

[nebjiamn]

vote:neb

Idk, en guarde or something

Really gonna spare my posts now cause i have a feeling ill need them at eod to defend myself

lol

[nebjiamn]

not worth thinking about now but if wisdom is real it could also mean a 3p Arso

Remember on day 4 or smth

if there’s no arso I agree it’s probly to distract a potential MD/tracker. The game is role heavy so I could see that

[Jan]

Wisdom/jan arent w/w cause there is no way the wolves plan was for them to both claim pr b2b IYAM

wisdom/ender i guess it s possible tho i still villaread ender

I made a post about waiting 24 hours earlier today and had always planned to claim with ~12 hours left if I don't feel healthy (or am in danger).

Wisdom claiming delayed me because I was not sure about my position in the thread tbh.

[theknightsofneeee]

hadn't seen jan claim pr

noted

think wisdom/jan are literally never w/w because of the post syn made 'looking at wolf reads looking at this' about both jan/wisdom.

so either both are villa or only one is a wolf



but will keep in mind that my previous stuff with jan could have been him trying to get some sus as a role and i'll bear in mind on my reread.

(still personally read him as a wolf but i've been wrong before about jan!PR before XD )

[dyachei]

oh.

i didnt get any feedback

EnderWiggin does your role indicate you should give feedback?

assuming this means ender is claiming prot (fucking rough)
town kp on sheep mafia probs assume its dya lets be so fr

wisdom claiming firefighter
maple claims inverted
maple/bop claim neighbors

hm.

22p, 5 wolves:
id assume some form of investigative but maybe not
feels unlikely neighbors + vig + prot + firefighter is all town but ig its possible
Not possible for him to have protected sheep

[didistetter]

Not possible for him to have protected sheep

? not sure what you misread here ngl
Vanta Black yes ive been fully tracking VH this game, it lets me construct retroactive VCs which helps me a lot

i think current vc is:

Maple (2) Gemma, Raskolnikov
Dolby (2) ColonelLubriderm, Maple
Raskolnikov (2) Enderwiggin, Nebjiamn
Nebjiamn (2) Insomnia, Ladd
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Enderwiggin (1) Dolby
Gemma (1) Wisdom
Theknightsofneeee (1) Raskolnikov
Not voting (8) Arctic, Jan, dyachei, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency, Grr, Didistetter

sorry if i missed anything

[Raskolnikov]

? not sure what you misread here ngl
Vanta Black yes ive been fully tracking VH this game, it lets me construct retroactive VCs which helps me a lot

i think current vc is:

Maple (2) Gemma, Raskolnikov
Dolby (2) ColonelLubriderm, Maple
Raskolnikov (2) Enderwiggin, Nebjiamn
Nebjiamn (2) Insomnia, Ladd
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Enderwiggin (1) Dolby
Gemma (1) Wisdom
Theknightsofneeee (1) Raskolnikov
Not voting (8) Arctic, Jan, dyachei, Vanta Black, Sunbae, Montmorency, Grr, Didistetter

sorry if i missed anything

I wish I have 2 votes :curtain: (unvoted knights after ISOing him)

[dyachei]

Vote: ladd

[nebjiamn]

Vote: ladd
I’m pondering it but why

also thoughts on maple, sunbae, Gemm?

[nebjiamn]

didistetter bop states in the post you quoted he faked the neighborship fwiw

[ladd]

vote:montmorency

[dyachei]

I’m pondering it but why

also thoughts on maple, sunbae, Gemm?

Something feels off today and I feel like there has to be one in rask Jan and Ladd

Sunbae prob v, Gemma idk, manti lean v

[ladd]

Something feels off today and I feel like there has to be one in rask Jan and Ladd

Sunbae prob v, Gemma idk, manti lean v

Why does ther eneed to be one in me/jan/rask. We dont even really wolf read each other, i dont get where this is coming from

Plz re read my eod with rask beimg confirmed villa in mind, i genuinely dont think i am hard to clear. Ik you can get there

[Sunbae]

Someone cliff notes me on updates please? This is a drive by but it sounds like we got claims

[ColonelLubriderm]

claims

wisdom- firefighter 2-shot
maple- some kind of PR+ now has a PGO 1-shot
jan- some kind of PR
rasko- 2 shot vig, killed sheep
ender- some kind of pr who targetted didi
ColonelLubriderm-VT


if i was going to kill in the claims i'd kill wisdom

i think rasko is always a villa.

PGO means if someone targets them they die right?

[Sunbae]

hmm ok gonna ponder over lunch ty

[Sunbae]

Did wisdom explain how being a firefighter made them know sheep was killed by town? i remember a post about that

[ColonelLubriderm]

i have like 6 or 7 posts left

it is very important someone confirms whether or not a PGO kills someone who targets them in the night

[Maple]

i have like 6 or 7 posts left

it is very important someone confirms whether or not a PGO kills someone who targets them in the night

It has restrictions, but I can kill a player who targets me in the night once.

[ColonelLubriderm]

It has restrictions, but I can kill a player who targets me in the night once.

what are the restrictions please

5/6 left

[dyachei]

Why does ther eneed to be one in me/jan/rask. We dont even really wolf read each other, i dont get where this is coming from

Plz re read my eod with rask beimg confirmed villa in mind, i genuinely dont think i am hard to clear. Ik you can get there
I think game dynamics from yesterday imply it heavily

[ladd]

I think game dynamics from yesterday imply it heavily

like which ones?

cause rask is a confirmed villager and i think jan is likely to be villa as well so uh ya

[dyachei]

like which ones?

cause rask is a confirmed villager and i think jan is likely to be villa as well so uh ya

I think those things too. That's why I'm voting you. You all have very different solves Iirc and I find that concerning since you're all very good at the game.

But the way the three of you kept being brought up and dismissed d1 has me worried one of you is a wolf

[insomnia]

vote: ladd

[ladd]

But the way the three of you kept being brought up and dismissed d1 has me worried one of you is a wolf

Jan was widely villa read d1 and i got almost no heat, rask is the only one who got heat and i defended them

So idk what u are talking about. Idr what rask/jan solves are but like i am sure people can have different solves? I dont get how that specifically is a concern

this argument from you seems super weak

[ColonelLubriderm]

well im pretty sure maple is a wolf

the wolf factional is carried so i doubt their is a villa role that makes another villa basically go 1-1 with the factional kill; i doubt a villa uses that type of thing on maple; i doubt a wolf uses that type of thing on a villa; and quite frankly question whether or not it even exists.

i mean, lets imagine there is a villa that makes it so if someone is NK'd they take a wolf with them; thats absolutely broken in this small of a game

Unrelated to that I kind of think sunbae might be a wolf; especially if ladd is a villa; and this is purely from a sense of wolves gotta be somewhere since i beleieve rasko claim and i kinda think jan is a villa.

maybe something like wisdom/maple/sunbae +1

dunno

saving rest of posts for eod votes;

[Maple]

I gave it to myself with my role, as i mentioned.

[dyachei]

Jan was widely villa read d1 and i got almost no heat, rask is the only one who got heat and i defended them

So idk what u are talking about. Idr what rask/jan solves are but like i am sure people can have different solves? I dont get how that specifically is a concern

this argument from you seems super weak
You got heat too

[Sunbae]

you could probably get me killed pretty easily bop. enough people have suspicions, im about to head out for the day, and i doubt id have any defenders willing to stick their neck out! plus hey, spooky woof it could be true this game!

in the event you do, game was fun but i definitely do think it was a one of for a good time and not an actual comeback. you people are lovely and i wish you well <3

[Sunbae]

after skimming and ponderin while enjoying my delicious wendys (ghost pepper saucy nugs and fries with a berry frosty for those interested) im pretty much at a similar place i was earlier. rask being v is nice, i was feeling better there after the mention of mixing me up with someone. think jan being a pr would make sense. not entirely sure on wisdom and enders but that feels like a problem for the future. just pick someone else in that bottom part of my list and pew pew

[Sunbae]

as for maple, idk gl figuring it out lmao

[nebjiamn]

after skimming and ponderin while enjoying my delicious wendys (ghost pepper saucy nugs and fries with a berry frosty for those interested) im pretty much at a similar place i was earlier. rask being v is nice, i was feeling better there after the mention of mixing me up with someone. think jan being a pr would make sense. not entirely sure on wisdom and enders but that feels like a problem for the future. just pick someone else in that bottom part of my list and pew pew

how spicy are those?

ill admit i was clowning on the whole 'saucy nuggs' thing before but then i tried them and they're pretty damn good

[Sunbae]

i did reread grr and took the ladd/insom notes into account and feel good there
reread gemma and feel whatever there but again, problem for a future day
knights still seemed towny to me

[Sunbae]

how spicy are those?

ill admit i was clowning on the whole 'saucy nuggs' thing before but then i tried them and they're pretty damn good

i was the same way
id call them white people spicy where its got a kick but its not like omg
quite good tho

[Sunbae]

personally still think dya and benneh are villagers so shrug

[Sunbae]

berry frosty is good too, tho think chocolate is still the king

[insomnia]

i could vote maple

today i feel like he's only been stuck on the inversed / role thing

there's no way all of our claims are legit btw, right?

[insomnia]

not sure i have it in me to sit through this EoD so someone's gonna have to clutch up in my spot with a random vote hehe

[Sunbae]

yall are like, convinced convinced on arctic and didistetter and grr as town right?

[ladd]

i thought i could stay awake until eod but now i am not so sure, i'll follow along the thread but if i disappear is prolly cause i fell aslepp

i hate defending myself but since people arent doing the work i'll quote it for them

Here is my EoD:


i agree his posting here is better (but honestly not by that much imo?) but i dont really think he has really presented an organic world view besides posting a reads list not explained

his only push afaict has been sheep for not better identified reasons


speaking of sheep, i am curious where people are at with them with the day ending

^
was talking about syn, countering arctic argument that he had a wider world view here vs their wolf game


man i cant shake the feeling that sheep is just posting to post at times

in all their pop ins they generally just answer/address the most recent thing, feels like they have no broad of thought at all


like in their last pop in they repeated their ender villa read that they had explained already and they answered someone asking why didistetter is a villager thats like the easiest thing in the world for a wolf to latch onto cause they are super obvious


now this consolidate stuff rings hollow

i'll quote the bad too - sheep pop ins and made a comment about consolidating that ringed hollow to me and reminded me of their last pop in

there were the wagons atp:

Wagons:
Gemma (4) Ladd, Sheepsaysmeep, Wisdom, Insomnia
Theknightsofneeee (3) EnderWiggen, Gemma, Didistetter
Raskolnikov (3) Grr, ColonelLubriderm, Jan
Syn (2) Newcomb, dyachei
EnderWiggen (2) nebjiamn, dyachei
Jan (1) Theknightsofneeee
Sheepsaysmeep (1) Syn
ColonelLubriderm (1) Vanta Black
No vote: (4) Arctic, Sunbae, Montmorency, C0balt, Maple



yea i thought rask was ok in their limited time, i wouldnt kill them

syn i am more cool with dying. i think rask kinda backtracked a little bit on their syn read later in the day too so i wouldnt say syn being a wolf is even outing for rask

4 posts left


now wagons are rask vs syn, I have absolutely no reason to descredit rask read on syn when if i am a wolf it's literally syn only way to save themselves

and i villa read syn counterwagon


why are u voting rask?

i thought they were p villagery

this was literally answering to jan's post quoting rask villareading syn - again i have 0 reason to do it


but there is other wagons why are those 2 the only options? idgi

this is what pinged me about jan during eod and why i started d2 pushing them



i think my mistake was not voting syn but genuinely there was no particular reason for it. if wagons were close at the end i probably would have but once i realized rask was safe i was cool being off wagon shrug.jpg

[Sunbae]

Gonna look at raskol/syn real quick and see if I like voting either of them over gemma

Brb


Gemma you think I’m soldier than both raskol and syn? If so why?


On a brief skim

Rask felt moderately villagery and syn was more null/leaning wolf.

Hmm


Like both of these from raskol


Vote: syn

Might still vote Gemma but I like that he actually got off me :3


yeah im gonna lock in knights as town with the new info on rask being confirmed

[Sunbae]

Gonna look at raskol/syn real quick and see if I like voting either of them over gemma

Brb


Gemma you think I’m soldier than both raskol and syn? If so why?


On a brief skim

Rask felt moderately villagery and syn was more null/leaning wolf.

Hmm


Like both of these from raskol


vote: Syn

dunno but im just saving rask siw

yeah this has to be town too

[insomnia]

Vote: maple

ladd is unvoteable :/

[insomnia]

for villa cred renewal, i was villa reading jan today and defending him and also ender

in case it was needed

[insomnia]

i'd like to kill in benneh / maple today

any other lunch options?

[ladd]

manti somehow randing the only weird role of the game seems incredibly suspicious to me but they hardclaimed self resolvable and it's d2 of a 22 player game so idk if there is any point in lunching them today


if they dont actually confirm themselves tomorrow kill them tho





rask>jan>ender>maple=wisdom is my order of the people who have claimed from most likely real to least likely but with more info on the setup it should be easier to get it right



i thought dya was super likely a villager for meta/toan and some micro stuff (eod post about syn, post saying how they were the only villager voting for sheep is the type of anti tmi post they tend to not make as a wolf ime) but their push on me feels super weak reason wise


i am voting monty atm simply cause he can be with everyone and he is less villagery than vanta. willing to swap tho (if i dont fall asleep)

With rask being a villager, i think its v likely wolves either werent around for eod or had ~no presence. third option would be they bussed but it doesnt feel that way?

[Vanta Black]

claims


i think rasko is always a villa.

PGO means if someone targets them they die right?

Isn't that the usual PGO? But sometimes they kill everyone who targets them, sometimes just one of them. It kinda seems more towny to mention it. But: I am skeptical of all the claim except the most vague one (some kinda PR)

[nebjiamn]

yall are like, convinced convinced on arctic and didistetter and grr as town right?
Yes on Stett and grr

arctic could be a wolf in some worlds but I think he’s still likely town

[grr]

hi, i might not have read every post, saw the Rask claim and the Wisdom claim and the Maple claim and the Jan claim I hope that was all. I don't think I can make EoD.

[Dolby]

Yes on Stett and grr

arctic could be a wolf in some worlds but I think he’s still likely town

Echoing this exactly

what up, reading back

[grr]

Yes on Stett and grr

arctic could be a wolf in some worlds but I think he’s still likely town

I struggle with finding u as a villa usually but ngl from the people I kinda cant really sort at least I like ur reads most (like me is whatever but tinfoil on arctic is what i had today, and i liked ur take on sheep yesterday and the one on montecery too.

(don't ask me why im telling u this)

[grr]

so honestly today a lot of stuff has been pushed I didnt really agree with and im not a fan.

[didistetter]

I gave it to myself with my role, as i mentioned.

sorry Maple

so just to clarify: you gave yourself the 10 of Swords which = 1 shot nerfed PGO with your own role, and then also someone else inverted you, which you then pretended to not know what means in response to me while then admitting you knew what it meant later

so: are you basically claiming PGO inventor who got inverted so you ended up giving the PGO to yourself?

if so, how is that self confirmable?

[nebjiamn]

i could vote maple

today i feel like he's only been stuck on the inversed / role thing

there's no way all of our claims are legit btw, right?

I mean, maybe they could be, but the game IS very role heavy and thus I’d expect wolves either have some fake claims or lots of roles will be pretty conditional

either way idt there’s value in sorting it out today

[grr]

for maple like if he is in any way not being able to self-resolve then kill him, no shenanigans, but other than that kinda waste of braincells to consider rn.

wisdoms claim looked indeed the worst.

[grr]

oh isnt maple actually confirmable. i am a huge fan of that then.

[Dolby]

I think the VC Stett provided is inaccurate, I think Bop went on Ender and isn't on me rn?

[Montmorency]

I haven't really read D2, but I'm sensing there has been a slew of claims. Can someone summarize/link them and the current tally while I prepare a post? I only skimmed Wisdom is a firefighter and Maple is a gun owner who shot someone (sheep?).


Montmorency

i am gonna need you to pull the receipts on how it's similar to that game (that i have no recollection of fwiw lol) because literally all i did was say to newcomb that if given a shot i'd dayvig syn and syn going "what really", I don't see how it would make you lean on it being distancing vs v/w

and hally being on the list but not me is cause i am not on visor OP list since i subbed in for hally and thats probably the list syn used

i believe it. i think you/artic/stett/grr are the most obvious villagers itg

Rask has begun the process. But as I said it's not just the one post. Y'all were up and down treating each other's slots like a team.


the pattern as far as I can read (checked 3 pages off the 4 of his ISO) was kinda powerwolfing, handing small TRs to partners unless hard sussed (he followed Boq on saying Kage might be a wolf ) but latching hard on wack villagers (Ender lol). could see it here with Syn in lieu of Kage and Sheep in lieu of Ender. (need to check what was Ladd's first read on Syn before he said he'd dayvig him replying to idontrememberwho)

Montmorency

I dunno if I have the balls to vote Ladd but I am getting there. Still like my Maple vote more for now. But pending. Will read Ladd's ISO in this game sometimes soon.

Here is one of the walls (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game/page78).

Some excerpts from how ladd interacted with dya, their lhf partner and first to be ousted (ladd was subsequently day-vigged if anyone's taking direction).


dya - i havent been too hot in reading dya lately but i think the way they are making reads at their own pace and the SNARK everytime anyone dares to shade or wolf read them is >>>rand villa

#1719 ladd defends dya from Visor SR: maybe if it was 2 years ago but their meta changed a ton

#1736: In response to Renata suggesting that Visor and dya commenting on Taffy is partners ginning up a counterwagon to Visor: villagery post (but i disagree on dya, they look villagery in the exchange imo)

#1764: In humoring Visor's requesst to talk about something other than Visor/Ender: lettuce talk super briefly (cause i gotta go and i am already late lol) about dya and boq
imo dya was very villagery last couple of pages, i feel the renata/HK pushes are the "hipster" pushes dya makes as a villager where they think they latch onto something and go for it despite what everyone else thinks

#1769: for amy my only fear is dya villa reading them, maybe i should respect dya's read more. but besides that i think they have been wolfy (tho not excessively so) and they fit like a glove in an ender!wolf world

What do you want to call it? Hedging, balancing, deflecting, distancing? We need more eyes on that ladd-syn ISO for D1 this game, though I believe I've posted enough to chew on. Syn's leans list that swaps ladd for Hally while listing every other player, despite having just interacted with ladd, is especially disturbing to me.

[nebjiamn]

I am extremely sus of the idea that anything is self resolving and confirmable

its a flipless game my dudes lol

[nebjiamn]

?Vote: Maple

[insomnia]

I am extremely sus of the idea that anything is self resolving and confirmable

its a flipless game my dudes lol

which is why probably not all of the claims are legit

idk if there's 2 fake ones though or just 1

[nebjiamn]

I am extremely sus of the idea that anything is self resolving and confirmable

its a flipless game my dudes lol
This also lends credence to wisdoms claim being weird

idk, I feel like an arsonist with firefighter being in the game with no role flips is kinda bastard maybe?? The more I think about it that feels like way too much info to withhold from town

[Montmorency]

Although tbh I don't like how Ender handled EOD, offering fairly weak reasons to maintain his early-game vote on knights while shading the Syn CW and declining to comment on Gemma. But if Gemma is the one in my world I'm likeliest to want to swap out, then two, rather than one, of the redacted set - Jan/Wisdom/Ender - should be mafia.

Posts like these late in the day could fit with the modus of trying to skirt the business of the day while priming a scum POE further on.


My current preferences for votes, btw, are:

The duo of old susses:
Knights
Cobalt

The OMGUS duo:
Sunbae
Benneh

The other two who I haven't explained and idk if I want to atm:
Arctic
Colonel Bop

Thus I'm at least 80% sure the game is solved within ladd-Gemma-Colonel-Jan/Ender/Wisdom

My other leans:

TL
Stetter
Arctic
Newcomb


^ Null
knights
Insomnia
dya


Null
Rask
Maple
Sheep


Special
Jan
Wisdom
Ender


:stare:
CL (Colonel)
Gemma
ladd

True Null
Vanta
neb
grr
Sunbae
Cobalt

[Maple]

I am a CONFIRMABLE ROLE

I can use a DAY ACTION which will give FEEDBACK at the start of night.

I am shocked that my very limited time this phase is being wasted on belaboring this point.

[Maple]

unlimited despo shots, people

[didistetter]

Wisdom claims Strength, a 2-shot firefighter #1789 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858626&viewfull=1#post2053858626)

Jan claims village pr, role probably couldn’t be inverted #1851 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858689&viewfull=1#post2053858689)

Enderwiggin claims PR who targeted didistetter n1 #1880 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858718&viewfull=1#post2053858718)

Raskolnikov claims vig shot on sheep #1904 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858742&viewfull=1#post2053858742)

Maple claims a confirmable and self resolving role, claims to have given self the 10 of Swords which = 1 shot nerfed PGO, claims to have been inverted n1
#1876 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858714&viewfull=1#post2053858714)

Montmorency

Dolby missed that vote somehow, ill look for it

[Maple]

why does god keep giving me his most confirmable roles

[Dolby]

I feel that people have danced around voting Wisdom. Let's get it started then

Wisdom

happy with any of Wisdom/Ender/Maple dying at this exact moment

[Dolby]

why does god keep giving me his most confirmable roles

Host gives their most confirmable roles to their funniest shitposters

[Dolby]

Vote: Wisdom

lol

[grr]

ok so like I'm gonna scattershot something here.

I think very furry: Gemma, Wisdom, ladd (maybe add dolby I dont really want to cause I have not really processed his posts but the ladd tr based on syn spew that didnt look clearing for ladd pinged me)

I think there is some kind of fur here: sunbae, benneh, dya, maple but hard to find as its defo not all 3 of sunbae benneh and dya and their reads on each other are often not bringing super clarity.

I think insomnia, didi is always pure.
Ender and Jan posted stuff today I village read.

colonel i v-read d1 as i am typing this i am getting a bit paranoid.

Um, Gemmas posts were tonally cool and all but the push against didistetter was extremely weird as didistetter is obvious town imo and she got pushed for pushing Raskol, and I also noted that dya was also pushing Raskol (and Ender, who i also believe is a villager?) so I'm not sure why the obvious town was pushed here. I dont know if Gemma is a player who is prone to wild paranoia but if they aren't that is a mega red flag.

Arctic also pushed a lotta things I somewhat disliked today but for him it might just been the disconnect and also maybe there were good reasons to clear him I just forgot. Agree with benneh that's tinfoil stuff.

Other players I just have no thoughts on rn. benneh's read on montecery seemed good I think?

[didistetter]

wait so wtf does inverting a desperado do lol


does it mean you survive if you hit town and die if you hit maf?

rip if tru


but yeah thats confirmable enough

if true, good look for sunbae

[didistetter]

rlly ih...

pls dont call me didi :/

[grr]

rlly ih...

pls dont call me didi :/

apologies, i am aware just forgot.

I think if wisdom is a wolf there is zero cred to gain here today because I read rask is gonna shoot her anyway.

[Dolby]

Monty's latest posts are good and towny

Ladds two votes being Monty and Maple don't feel good even though i still sus Maple.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 4 (Gemma, Raskolnikov, insomnia, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 1 (EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 1 (ColonelLubriderm)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)
Wisdom 1 (Dolby)
Dolby 1 (Maple)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Ladd 1 (dyachei)
Montmorency 1 (Ladd)


whatthistextdo


believe this is correct

[Montmorency]

Wisdom claims Strength, a 2-shot firefighter #1789 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858626&viewfull=1#post2053858626)

Jan claims village pr, role probably couldn’t be inverted #1851 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858689&viewfull=1#post2053858689)

Enderwiggin claims PR who targeted didistetter n1 #1880 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858718&viewfull=1#post2053858718)

Raskolnikov claims vig shot on sheep #1904 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858742&viewfull=1#post2053858742)

Maple claims a confirmable and self resolving role, claims to have given self the 10 of Swords which = 1 shot nerfed PGO, claims to have been inverted n1
#1876 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858714&viewfull=1#post2053858714)

Montmorency

Dolby missed that vote somehow, ill look for it

Wow, what is this inverted shit? They invented a new modifier? Dang.


Each Night, you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, that player will be protected from kills that night, but all their actions will be blocked that night. Actions that would normally be unable to target this action's target will be able to target this action's target.

I have no idea what that means. What happens if a PGO is inverted? Actually, reading again, Maple didn't reveal their PR, just that they were inverted and were gifted a PGO shot.

Before I judge any of these people must be lying, I need clarification on that, and whether it makes sense to assign Mafia such an inverter PR.

[grr]

I would take maples claim as a promise to deliver something that actually clears them. as far as i can see they have not actually claimed what it exactly it is. So I would just delay this till tomorrow and if there is no delivery of anything clearing then I would not be impressed (and for me it would personally be a policy elimination then but I understand others are more considerate)

Is this something people disagree with? Has maple posted so wolfy it's a lock for you insomnia

[ladd]

Momny dude, syn said hally instead of ladd because they used the list in the op to make the kist which had hally instead of me, i already told ya

I am falling asleep