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Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:05
wait so wtf does inverting a desperado do lol
does it mean you survive if you hit town and die if you hit maf?
rip if tru
but yeah thats confirmable enough
if true, good look for sunbae
Its convenient isnt? They will be confirmed villa once they shot a villager? Lololol.
LoL even
Saw the claim summary above. Maple's posting is pinging me. What's the current vote count?
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:08
montecery
Never heard that one before.
OK, so I'm inclined to trust Rask and Maple decisively right now, as the most credible claims. (Rask, is there any ISO of you sussing sheep D1?)
Maple would you be willing to shoot either ladd or Ender today? We should really confirm you today.
Momny dude, syn said hally instead of ladd because they used the list in the op to make the kist which had hally instead of me, i already told ya
I am falling asleep
yooo I'm not buying that, they literally just interacted with you minutes prior, so if that list had even a shred of legitimacy we would at least see both ladd and Hally entered into there.
Vote: ladd
didistetter
08-10-2024, 22:08
think maple elim would be stupid when he's claiming desperado that gives feedback start of the night.
Maple can you/did you use it today?
wisdom firefighter, maple desperado, jan pr, ender pr, rask 2 shot vig
desperado and 2 shot vig feels like a lot of kp but, actual desperado should presumably be self clearing.
EnderWiggin Jan if either of yall are MD that might be worth claiming, cause it might lend viability to wisdom's claim
if all of those are legit i feel a little stuck lol
imma re iso dya—was clearing them by assuming they were vigi, but idfk
bop, grr, vanta, arctic, sunbae, insomnia all still feel towny
wagons still look decent for knights and gemma
Nebjiamn, Dolby, Ladd, Montmorency is like... never the team tho
idk ladd/benneh dont feel w/w :wowee:
didistetter
08-10-2024, 22:10
Players Votes
Maple 4 (Gemma, Raskolnikov, insomnia, nebjiamn)
Raskolnikov 1 (EnderWiggin)
EnderWiggin 1 (ColonelLubriderm)
Gemma 1 (Wisdom)
Wisdom 1 (Dolby)
Dolby 1 (Maple)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Ladd 1 (dyachei)
Montmorency 1 (Ladd)
whatthistextdo
believe this is correct
Wisdom
Maple ik it sucks if you're town but frankly you probs need to just fullclaim your role and and desp shot atp
Its convenient isnt? They will be confirmed villa once they shot a villager? Lololol.
LoL even
oh i understand. no they won't ofc. if you let them live they shoot a mafia. if they shoot town, well aim better next time ig.
i dont have a strong opinion on this. i'd personally probably give them a chance and if they dont kill mafia bye.
i suppose telling them early that that's how is gonna go would make them shoot the lockest town so mafia get 2 kill tonight that's the risk. can't tell how fishy the claim is. ig sounds really convenient that exactly the player with THAT role got targeted by an inverter?
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:12
Idt manti is claiming despi shooter
i I think they were referencing Anni Stett (eg “remember when I was info despo and I died …”)
Wisdom
Maple ik it sucks if you're town but frankly you probs need to just fullclaim your role and and desp shot atp
Yeah makes sense. If there's something who'd fake claim to live another day it'd be Maple. What was the context before he claimed, was he pushed or was it from a safe position in threadstate?
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:15
What does inverting a desperado do?!
Actions that would normally be unable to target this action's target will be able to target this action's target.
I must be deeply misunderstanding something, because this sounds like a PR with almost zero use case.
this post felt real btw. not sure if a wolf would be this umm, righteous (not sure if this is the right word) about that. So like, Ig I'm just towning Raskol again and he can read me however he likes, altho its not gonna give him the full solve if he thinks im a wolf hehe. ^^
i wish i had seen that post before rask claimed because it's always hella towny to call people throwers even though it's pretty disrespectful lol
anyway to re-iterate on my current thinking
i think gemma is spewed town
i think knights is town, because he could have stayed on gemma and moved to syn instead
if these are both correct, that means ladd has been pushing 0 wolves in knights/gemma/sheep on day 1
i frankly don't care about jan's claim, or maple's claim. because jan didn't elaborate and as for maple claiming self-resolving in a rolemadness game, that's like the easiest thing to do as mafia, and the rest of his claim just gives me a vague impression of fuckery to mess with us and have a laugh
i also thought ladd was the vig, so uh
right now i'm at kill maple, ladd, or jan. wisdom's claim is the one i'd actually let resolve because wolves must have some kind of kp somewhere, and if it wasn't syn there's a chance we do see a wolf arso
Think I may need to re-ev Arctic, yeah he voted correctly and his posts feel good enough but I just ultimately dont like any wolfread hes had this game or any posting surrounding Syn before EOD. Would not endorse a vote there today to be clear. Like I saw today he wanted to push Jan and Rask out of Syn's scumreads of Wisndom/Jan/Rask/Ender and like, Rask is the worst person to push and he's town and I think Wisdom and Ender are just more scummy than Jan anyway (though sure pushing Jan is valid). I do like a post Arctic had directed at Ladd, but like, Arctic shouldn't be super townread for people I feel
also i think if anything syn using hally instead of ladd would be spewing ladd v but i don't believe in this at all
I'm very skeptical at Maple's claim now giving feedback only AFTER it was inverted. Like, what roles would, I assume, be giving feedback TO other people. Oracle? Messenger? Don't think it's the former bc Oracle isn't a bad role. Also I feel like Manti claiming to have received a PGO is against them actually being confirmable bc like, if that's real you keep that close to your chest if you actually think you can confirm yourself the same night
also i think Manti's solve is 1/4 max
didistetter
08-10-2024, 22:20
Idt manti is claiming despi shooter
i I think they were referencing Anni Stett (eg “remember when I was info despo and I died …”)
o.
well.
i still think he. oughhta claim how he's self confirmable then.
espec with no flips its confusing but it would be stupid miselim if he actually can self confirm as town.
i only have 8 posts left, so saving them for eod and voting.
i kinda want him to fullclaim
ill readback through wisdom, dya, and dolby, but gonna lurk for a bit.
grr maybe im a sucker but i think im only obvitown b/c you know me.
only time i played with gemma was anni, and i was first wolf dead in ITAs
idk, her paranoia feels kinda towny?
but maybe im a sucker.
wisdom/ladd is frankly a dif check in my brain atm, and ik she has a pr claim but i still might vote her first
there's just no way to ever confirm that and its a v out of place role.
depends what manti claims tho
Oh ffs I'm a one shot vig and used it on the cw
benneh/monte are a tier above that as shrug slots i wouldn't care about yeeting but not priority
vanta's vibes this game remind me more of their last game here than when they wolfed in their champs game
i don't like using reads like this but like.. there's not much else to read into. it's something. and i worry that we may just end up misyeeting them for the same reason as last game but now i have the knowledge that their wolfgame just isn't as towny as that other game was, so i want to keep them around for longer so i can decipher that
dolby's posts have felt ~fine to me, nothing really stands out either way to me but i think his direction roughly agrees with mine and i don't really have a day 1 history of that slot to work with in any meaningful capacity, so i don't really want to yeet him yet either even though i'm not explicitly townreading him
Oh ffs I'm a one shot vig and used it on the cw
what
did you not see rask claiming this? lmfao
what
did you not see rask claiming this? lmfao
I softed it yesterday
And no I didn't see rask claim.
I softed it yesterday
that doesn't answer the question
rask claimed this earlier
why are you only saying this now? did you not see it or were you biding your time for some reason?
Raskolnikov do you have anything to say for yourself
of these two i'm, uh, always killing rask i guess
Vanta Black
08-10-2024, 22:26
Oh ffs I'm a one shot vig and used it on the cw
Rask were you lying? Or is dya lying? Need answer fast.
that doesn't answer the question
rask claimed this earlier
why are you only saying this now? did you not see it or were you biding your time for some reason?
Do you know which post?
Vanta Black
08-10-2024, 22:26
I don't understand all this D2 claiming tbh. I don' trust any of 'em now.
I soft claimed vig yesterday when I said I was the vig and shooting empoof
u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.
here
u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.
y wowee ur this D2 frankly.
Wisdom is prolly a wolf. Maple too. prolly killing whoever is alive in these 2 tonight
ladd: there are so many reasons I swear. (say u tryed to yeet sheep, don't wanna bring too much attention to ur slot when u opportunistically kill a villa. for instance, not going this avenue any longer friendo)
dyachei
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:28
i wish i had seen that post before rask claimed because it's always hella towny to call people throwers even though it's pretty disrespectful lol
anyway to re-iterate on my current thinking
i think gemma is spewed town
I need that - linky, page?
I'm very skeptical at Maple's claim now giving feedback only AFTER it was inverted. Like, what roles would, I assume, be giving feedback TO other people. Oracle? Messenger? Don't think it's the former bc Oracle isn't a bad role. Also I feel like Manti claiming to have received a PGO is against them actually being confirmable bc like, if that's real you keep that close to your chest if you actually think you can confirm yourself the same night
also i think Manti's solve is 1/4 max
OK, so, mechanically what would inverting a desperado do for today? Can we not have Maple shoot someone? Either they or their target will die, which is confirmable, normally at least. What am I missing?
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:31
I softed it yesterday
Ur full of shit dya.
o.
well.
i still think he. oughhta claim how he's self confirmable then.
espec with no flips its confusing but it would be stupid miselim if he actually can self confirm as town.
i only have 8 posts left, so saving them for eod and voting.
i kinda want him to fullclaim
ill readback through wisdom, dya, and dolby, but gonna lurk for a bit.
grr maybe im a sucker but i think im only obvitown b/c you know me.
only time i played with gemma was anni, and i was first wolf dead in ITAs
idk, her paranoia feels kinda towny?
but maybe im a sucker.
wisdom/ladd is frankly a dif check in my brain atm, and ik she has a pr claim but i still might vote her first
there's just no way to ever confirm that and its a v out of place role.
depends what manti claims tho
Um I think you have a very obvious impression with a lot of care about literally everything happening and the only reason to sus you I can see, is if someone was just an extremely paranoid person who sees biggest danger in the player who gives it their all. happens but its weird.
i dont have a lot of meta on a lot of players here, but from the one game i remember of gemma they were very "reasonable" i believe. as in not being too tinfoily. if it is a false positive im getting there it is because i hold them to incorrect standards, which is possible. but i didn't feel good to me. especially since you werent just deathtunneling rask, you very inquiring about him and caring about it. others JUST pushed him. why exactly focus on you there.
Wisdom ladd I just have both in hard PoE, if there is anything unpairing I did not notice (you maybe just meant "at least 1" which is fair ig). Gemma is the player I found have actively shown agenda I do find wolfy. I mean ultimately they are in the same group for me. So.
im the vig and im shooting empoof
Here you go
Oh ffs I'm a one shot vig and used it on the cw
Dya why'd you claim like this when no one is really sussing you rn, you got 0 votes, and didn't see Rask's claim?
Vote: Raskolnikov
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:34
Rask were you lying? Or is dya lying? Need answer fast.
WIFOM let's go!!!
I've never seen this many PR claims at once since the height of private networking. (It's hilarious people ignored my D1, but it doesn't matter.)
Do you know which post?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?
dyachei Raskolnikov
Do either of you have ISO of sussing sheep yesterday? Only dya voted him, at EOD. That does look bad for Rask.
https://external-preview.redd.it/X3fSGLlVebroRVM4qeEKXM0q2UUFs-pXZFoIWDxkIuU.jpg?auto=webp&2e634f5e
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:34
Why would u even soft D1 lmao. I swear I hate u for having to waste posts on this.
I softed several times at sod2 fwiw, ONCE i got a shot in lol. U dont make any sense.
My first post is quoting sheep readlist to Sunbae. Then I say Having to decrease Ladd out of my towncore is sad because the turn of events (check people), which is basically me saying I shot sheep because I followed Ladds read.
Gg dya lol
what are both of your flavors?
I soft claimed vig yesterday when I said I was the vig and shooting empoof
I am more than confused. Rask seemed like the most obvious villager in the game to me after stetter. And still kinda does? can u guys resolve each other?
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:35
https://i.imgur.com/fDEugG0.jpeg
Dya why'd you claim like this when no one is really sussing you rn, you got 0 votes, and didn't see Rask's claim?
Vote: Raskolnikov
People were starting to include me in poes again
Also wheel of fortune
Why would u even soft D1 lmao. I swear I hate u for having to waste posts on this.
I softed several times at sod2 fwiw, ONCE i got a shot in lol. U dont make any sense.
My first post is quoting sheep readlist to Sunbae. Then I say Having to decrease Ladd out of my towncore is sad because the turn of events (check people), which is basically me saying I shot sheep because I followed Ladds read.
Gg dya lol
Generally it does not make sense for a wolf under no fire to out to kill you tho (especially when the thread can just decide to eliminate outside)?
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:37
Why would u even soft D1 lmao. I swear I hate u for having to waste posts on this.
I softed several times at sod2 fwiw, ONCE i got a shot in lol. U dont make any sense.
My first post is quoting sheep readlist to Sunbae. Then I say Having to decrease Ladd out of my towncore is sad because the turn of events (check people), which is basically me saying I shot sheep because I followed Ladds read.
Gg dya lol
Did you post any suss or shade of sheep D1?
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:37
I am more than confused. Rask seemed like the most obvious villager in the game to me after stetter. And still kinda does? can u guys resolve each other?
Yes I can totally shot them. Pls read my ISO d2 people like lol dya
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:38
People were starting to include me in poes again
Also wheel of fortune
Nope!
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:38
Did you post any suss or shade of sheep D1?
No I was afk for the last 24h.
Fuck it I am switching on comp and posting quotes. Fuck the postcap.
Maple prolky hilare in wc with dya and Wisdom and idkw
having a 2x and 1x vig in place of odd/even makes sense but lol at you both shooting sheep
shoulda blasted (insert wolf name here in postgame) like i would have
Nope!
People were questioning again why I was a villager. I thought I made it pretty clear start of d2 I was vig too. I mean stett picked up on it. I had hoped to draw the nk before outing I was out of shots
having a 2x and 1x vig in place of odd/even makes sense but lol at you both shooting sheep
shoulda blasted (insert wolf name here in postgame) like i would have
My vig had conditions which make that impossible. As I alluded to in response to stett earlier today
Nope!
I was but it was like, second tier i had 4 names before them so I didn't feel I was endangering them today (it's still good to know tho that my world view was completely upside down)
okay i didnt think it made sense for wolf dya to cc rask here but dya seems to be thinking that they were under pressure so.. it makes some sense? even though i don't really think they were? but they seem to believe that is the case
so like
i dunno what to do now
i don't think they are both real though
If I die today just get rask tomorrow. One for one is still good
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:42
People were questioning again why I was a villager. I thought I made it pretty clear start of d2 I was vig too. I mean stett picked up on it. I had hoped to draw the nk before outing I was out of shots
(I was referencing WoF from balatro)
(I was referencing WoF from balatro)
Oh lol
okay i didnt think it made sense for wolf dya to cc rask here but dya seems to be thinking that they were under pressure so.. it makes some sense? even though i don't really think they were? but they seem to believe that is the case
so like
i dunno what to do now
i don't think they are both real though
no the "pressure" wouldnt have been enough for a wolf to panic. you don't just panic CC just because one guy questioned you. for a town it might be enough.
I've been fighting kids today so I didn't see rask claim as I skimmed to catch up but read my today and there's no question it was me
didistetter
08-10-2024, 22:44
blob:https://imgur.com/ec216321-dbab-492b-b079-fc7a60df0d2e
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:44
My vig had conditions which make that impossible. As I alluded to in response to stett earlier today
What's the explicit version?
Them both being vigs and shooting sheep would be a lol world
I think the pressure on Rask was just... much more significant tbh, two votes, a lot of people with him in their POEs, and I don't think that Dya enters a CC with 0 votes.
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:44
Dya is villagery regardless of claims. They have a wolf pelt and even if you assume they are something like a wolf vig idt it makes sense for them to claim here and put themselves into a 1 for 1 even if they think they are under pressure — pressure is not indicative of them likely dying today and idt dya worries that much or acts .. irrationally/unaware of the tenor and tone of the thread and their presence as a wolf just on meta so like
ya dya is likely real, the question is whether or not rask can be too
insomnia
08-10-2024, 22:45
why the hell does erryone have a damn claim??????
didistetter
08-10-2024, 22:45
GODFUCKINGDAMMIT
https://i.imgur.com/CpXymC9.png
(wasting this post since we have a full CC. will reread both, i did specifically have dya pegged as vig off sheep shot and sod, but wanna do due dillegence)
Vote: Raskolnikov
Dya is villagery regardless of claims. They have a wolf pelt and even if you assume they are something like a wolf vig idt it makes sense for them to claim here and put themselves into a 1 for 1 even if they think they are under pressure — pressure is not indicative of them likely dying today and idt dya worries that much or acts .. irrationally/unaware of the tenor and tone of the thread and their presence as a wolf just on meta so like
ya dya is likely real, the question is whether or not rask can be too
He cannot be due to the limits on my role
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:45
1. Don't oust either Rask or dya today. This is self-resolving (90%).
2. Don't oust Maple unless you can explain, what the fuck is an inverterrrrrrr
My vig had conditions which make that impossible. As I alluded to in response to stett earlier today
What's the explicit version?
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:46
GODFUCKINGDAMMIT
https://i.imgur.com/CpXymC9.png
(wasting this post since we have a full CC. will reread both, i did specifically have dya pegged as vig off sheep shot and sod, but wanna do due dillegence)
Vote: Raskolnikov
How did you leave me off …
Vanta Black
08-10-2024, 22:48
vote: dyachei
I feel like I have to pick one on account of the claims.
1. Don't oust either Rask or dya today. This is self-resolving (90%).
2. Don't oust Maple unless you can explain, what the fuck is an inverterrrrrrr
What's the explicit version?
My shot would fail if anyone else targeted my target. Rask is just fos here.
Whats the likelihood there's a 2 shot village vig without stipulations when I have 1 shot and a lmitation
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:49
My shot would fail if anyone else targeted my target. Rask is just fos here.
Whats the likelihood there's a 2 shot village vig without stipulations when I have 1 shot and a lmitation
Would an inverter affect this condition?
Would an inverter affect this condition?
I don't think so
He cannot be due to the limits on my role
need you to elaborate on this
vote: dyachei
I feel like I have to pick one on account of the claims.
i hate the vote but this is probably town
also dya actively putting themselves into EVEN MORE of a CC is just super towny
like, what's the w!Dya world here? Maple is a mafia hex bomber/soup guesser that needs to live to day four? not an actual world
Vanta Black
08-10-2024, 22:50
How is ti self-resolving?
Not dunking Maple sounds right.
My shot would fail if anyone else targeted my target. Rask is just fos here.
Whats the likelihood there's a 2 shot village vig without stipulations when I have 1 shot and a lmitation
My role does have an uncommon stipulation as well tbh.
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:50
Sunbae: tbh I just think I confused you with sheep or gemma because it's their readlist (which are kinda similar on the lower side) I was targeting with "kinda sorted by expected ww competence". "Consensual" was not the right word because I have been just washed irl for the D1 timeline smh. "safe" would be a better description of what I had in mind re these readlist. So, guess sorry about it from a solving pov. Good news is that I now have the time.
catching up I was at something like knight/sheep/Maple/Jan/Grrr as immediate POE but like I am prolly going to start over considering my record so far lol. Jan and Grrr being somhow ego reads (and since I am villa I can totally see Jan pushing a counter wagon on me at EOD). Grrr vote record stinks (he also literrally voted me for reading him in good faith lol, prolly sponging Sunbae too but) and he have had some of the most LAMIST post itg so far, but i dunno, his posts are pure. Might still be worth looking into more iyam.
I am gonna have more time toDay too so dw, u will get plenty of thoughts from me :p
Jan, grr, Dolby all trending up for me in the last hours (from my readlist post).
Wisdom/Ender slowly but surely closing in immediate poe area.
What I need to do before EOD is completly reread knights and Maple (pls post pal).
Oh benneh prolly just villa, Bop too maybe? I vibe with it, will check what it means when i reordered friendos and have a zoom out view. Prolly means I got wrong on Ladd (would be sadge regarding turns of events smh).
Also need to figure out knights/Jan dichotomy (rn i refuse to not confbiased and think knights is wolfing but fr I wanna look into it again)
Dolby: all hail the supreme leader! (Ur post brought good memories of discord mafia, sad ur pings come at 4am my time these days lol)
everyone. there it was all in the thread for you. I did sus stett (not itt D1 Monty, but realised I mistake them for Sunbae overnight) and shot them, conforted by Ladd's read.
u turn dya.
How did you leave me off …
you were in the snack bar
https://i.imgur.com/HjeTTQk.png
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 22:51
Dolby, please explain invertering and what bearing it has on Maple being
didistetter
08-10-2024, 22:52
How did you leave me off …
oh my fucking god im so sorry
i downloaded ur pfp but forgot to drag it in im so sorry
26778
@Mont dya claims single shot, how is this selfresolving if they're legit?
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:52
If I die today just get rask tomorrow. One for one is still good
the wolf rational just there for you people.
1 hour ago, they were pushing ladd for s!%? and TRing me when I claimed 6 hours ago. lmao dya.
Vote: dya
Maple Wisdom: su overnight lol
you were in the snack bar
https://i.imgur.com/HjeTTQk.png
a true nerak.
My shot would fail if anyone else targeted my target. Rask is just fos here.
Whats the likelihood there's a 2 shot village vig without stipulations when I have 1 shot and a lmitation
ok so your shot fails and rasks goes through in this scenario
idk i just dont feel either of you are wolfy and your claims make sense you know?
but like, bad at mechanics etc so ill let the titans solve it while i eat doritos
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:53
oh my fucking god im so sorry
i downloaded ur pfp but forgot to drag it in im so sorry
26778
@Mont dya claims single shot, how is this selfresolving if they're legit?
Is this a consolation picture for ants???
I can provide receipts after the kids go to bed but it's hard enough to iso on my computer
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 22:54
Monty: read my post top of the page. 1 post left. Su on the otherside friendos.
Dolby, please explain invertering and what bearing it has on Maple being
no clue and I dunno but them claiming desperado was not a real claim and a allusion to a recent claim where they were desparado making a similar claim bc their desparado hadn't activated yet. Inverting probably makes their abilities basically the reverse of what they actually are but idk what inverting actually does. I think that Maple claiming a PGO and being self-resolvable is not a good look but maybe I'm not giving it being limited enough credance. Still have them as sus but I think we just resolve dya/rask today
Also I have like 10 posts left sorry
ok so your shot fails and rasks goes through in this scenario
idk i just dont feel either of you are wolfy and your claims make sense you know?
but like, bad at mechanics etc so ill let the titans solve it while i eat doritos
Except he hasn't claimed any limits on his role so it's likely a wolf role and he's just claiming the shots
My shot would fail if anyone else targeted my target. Rask is just fos here.
Whats the likelihood there's a 2 shot village vig without stipulations when I have 1 shot and a lmitation
How do you know that your shot went through here? I get the second sentence but want to establish why you think it's so certain that rask didn't visit your target with a real kill
Except he hasn't claimed any limits on his role so it's likely a wolf role and he's just claiming the shots
he could have taken the shot but it is more likely that he wanted to draw you out (if this is w/v)
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:56
ok so your shot fails and rasks goes through in this scenario
idk i just dont feel either of you are wolfy and your claims make sense you know?
but like, bad at mechanics etc so ill let the titans solve it while i eat doritos
True story: just opened these while I wait for my brisket 26779
dont get me wrong, i would like rask to be a wolf because then i would get to pat myself on the back for a great day 1 pew pew pew
i just, idk, i always feel like assuming i can guess what the set up will be leads me astray at points
note that i 100% believe dya is a villager and is their claimed role and shot sheep
im almost out of posts so ima just save a couple just in case
the doritos are spicy nacho
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 22:57
i WAS at the snack bar
didistetter
08-10-2024, 22:57
if dya has weird stipulations and maple has weird stipulations and jan has weird stipulations maybe wisdom and rask are just evil idfk
nebjiamn ifk why file did that im sorry ;-;
rest of posts are for if something crazy happens.
rask saying he shot me in that recent "softing" psot is a rather unconvincing typo
ill check progressions for myself tho
https://i.imgur.com/nsfQ4S3.png
Not possible for him to have protected sheep
Here's one of the posts
How do you know that your shot went through here? I get the second sentence but want to establish why you think it's so certain that rask didn't visit your target with a real kill
Possible but unlikely and he just assumed it was either or. His perspective slipped a bit there instead of considering it could be both
I mean I'm never voting dyachei here I'm voting Raskolnikov or someone else.
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 23:01
everyone. there it was all in the thread for you. I did sus stett (not itt D1 Monty, but realised I mistake them for Sunbae overnight) and shot them, conforted by Ladd's read.
u turn dya.
I like it, but "I did sus stett" comes across weird because I did expect stett to get shot N1 as top town.
Very exciting potential gambits being thrown down here. I'm not sure the Org has seen competing vig claims since the first 5 years. Zack GeneralHankerchief
@Mont dya claims single shot, how is this selfresolving if they're legit?
Well, Rask shoots them tonight if they're scum, or they just get NKed by Mafia if town. Complicating scenarios are Rask gets blocked or dya gets protected or something, or Rask is scum and the team decided to go hard on fps and try to ML dya, but I do believe it's almost always self-resolving. Or they're both town, or both scum, in which case it's not self-resolving, but then lolgame. I say we wait it out.
he could have taken the shot but it is more likely that he wanted to draw you out (if this is w/v)
That's fine because I'm used up. I don't mind being the nk
I like it, but "I did sus stett" comes across weird because I did expect stett to get shot N1 as top town.
Very exciting potential gambits being thrown down here. I'm not sure the Org has seen competing vig claims since the first 5 years. Zack GeneralHankerchief
Well, Rask shoots them tonight if they're scum, or they just get NKed by Mafia if town. Complicating scenarios are Rask gets blocked or dya gets protected or something, or Rask is scum and the team decided to go hard on fps and try to ML dya, but I do believe it's almost always self-resolving. Or they're both town, or both scum, in which case it's not self-resolving, but then lolgame. I say we wait it out.
I can't self resolve it even if I wanted to and wolves may have an even night vig
There is no way Dya's a wolf with that claim. From what I saw they were in a good position after EoD1 and jumping in just to cc Rask for no reason is something no wolf would do.
A few townies would use it as fps but Dya's not that kind of guy*. I think the softs are solid.
But having double vigs who targeted the same slot... sounds like crazy. Like, the only thing that makes sense is w!Rask. Kudos friend, you had me fooled!
Vote: Raskolnikov
*genderless guy
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 23:04
everyone. there it was all in the thread for you. I did sus stett (not itt D1 Monty, but realised I mistake them for Sunbae overnight) and shot them, conforted by Ladd's read.
u turn dya.
Yes stett it's a typo. I shot sheep as these posts are hinting at.
Yes dya there are some limitations/modifiers, but ofc I am not posting them since I want my shot to go through lol u clown.
U have my moral support if u wanna yeet Maple/Wisdom and let me resolve the dya/Raskol diff check.
0 posts left. glgl
I lowkey hope rask is mafia (for obvious reasons to everyone i hope lol). Plan to be stetters doublevoter as I really am unsure? But dya is surely town and they are sure too so I just kinda want to buy it. Am very biased tho.
didistetter
08-10-2024, 23:06
oh.
i didnt get any feedback
EnderWiggin does your role indicate you should give feedback?
assuming this means ender is claiming prot (fucking rough)
town kp on sheep mafia probs assume its dya lets be so fr
wisdom claiming firefighter
maple claims inverted
maple/bop claim neighbors
hm.
22p, 5 wolves:
id assume some form of investigative but maybe not
feels unlikely neighbors + vig + prot + firefighter is all town but ig its possible
u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.
Not possible for him to have protected sheep
mmmmm
so this dya post is an hour after rask claimed.
rask claimed specifically in response to me calling dya the vig
dya quotes this an hour later, and somehow read it as ender claiming prot on vig, but ignored rask claiming he killed sheep 2 posts below me
Vote: Unvote
confusion
insomnia
08-10-2024, 23:06
using your last post to hint at stipulations 10 hours later might be the single most unhelpful thing in this game if you're villa
but it's so bad that you're probably a wolf
mmmmm
so this dya post is an hour after rask claimed.
rask claimed specifically in response to me calling dya the vig
dya quotes this an hour later, and somehow read it as ender claiming prot on vig, but ignored rask claiming he killed sheep 2 posts below me
Vote: Unvote
confusion
I missed his claim entirely
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 23:07
Dya, what I mean is, if you're town do you think you live forever here? Is it more likely you just get NKed, or that mafia try to line you up as a deep ML?
I strongly oppose ousting any claimed PRs today. Yes, dya's claim is strong, but Rask's isn't bad in itself. (Although I can't understand anyone vigging sheep N1, let alone two).
I strongly opposed ousting any claimed PRs today. We need to let this cook.
o looking at d1 rask could easily have been w/w with syn
Dya, what I mean is, if you're town do you think you live forever here? Is it more likely you just get NKed, or that mafia try to line you up as a deep ML?
I strongly oppose ousting any claimed PRs today. Yes, dya's claim is strong, but Rask's isn't bad in itself. (Although I can't understand anyone vigging sheep N1, let alone two).
I strongly opposed ousting any claimed PRs today. We need to let this cook.
No I know that claiming here gets me killed and then it's not self resolving
So I'm voting a claim because there are obviously fake claims
rask doesn't really feel like a wolf so i wish he had more posts to elaborate on his role because i feel like ungated vig is kinda unlikely given what everyone else has been claiming
meh
Feels like grr is currently fence sitting, just a note to self.
I'm falling asleep and need my sleep schedule intact, so I hope this get sorted out. Good night, yeet wolves, stay hyped!
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 23:15
No I know that claiming here gets me killed and then it's not self resolving
So I'm voting a claim because there are obviously fake claims
If Rask is maf, and you flip town, we can oust him later as likely fakeclaim. t-t is still remotely possible, but it's much safer to oust a claimed vig if the other claimed vig (you) is proven. From our perspective, is getting a flip on Rask now worth the risk of losing a shot?
o looking at d1 rask could easily have been w/w with syn
I mean, he could have been shielding with reliance on his meta, but it's not easily. Ladd's interactions fit better there.
Why is no one asking why rask just assumed it was a full cc situation instead of considering it could be the same shot target? I know why I did but he didn't claim any reason on his end why it couldn't be v/v
If Rask is maf, and you flip town, we can oust him later as likely fakeclaim. t-t is still remotely possible, but it's much safer to oust a claimed vig if the other claimed vig (you) is proven. From our perspective, is getting a flip on Rask now worth the risk of losing a shot?
I mean, he could have been shielding with reliance on his meta, but it's not easily. Ladd's interactions fit better there.
Alignment only flips means it's never proven that I'm a vig
ColonelLubriderm
08-10-2024, 23:17
I have one post after this i think, maybe 2 but definitely 1.
Claims in order of townyness from my PoV
Rasko- vig who killed sheep
Jan- PR
ender-something that targetted stet
wisdom-firefighter
maple-self PGO?
vvvv(o wolves)
Rasko
vvv(0-1 wolves)
stet
insomnia
vv(0-1 wolf)
dya
grr
v(1-2 wolves)
arctic
jan
vanta
gemma
knights
/shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
mont
dolby
maple
sunbae
benneh
w(0-2 wolves)
ender
wisdom
WRT maple- i didnt read his last couple posts before my last post so i didnt realize he PGO himself. I dont know how that is self resolving, but fuck it we can give it a day
I was looking at the wagons from eod 1 and there is a point where its
I feel like gemma/knights fell into the tonal abyss today after getting a pass from the majority of the thread; not feeling great about that. If ender is a wolf i wouldnt worry about knights. If ender is a villa then that opens up the world where knights is a wolf PR better than syn but thats a reach.
I find it kind of weird that arctic seemed to be around for the EoD but never really pparticipated when we had such close wagons, when i looked at Visor's iso for votecounts, they dont show up until the last one as one of the last minute votes. In the last 15 minutes main wagons were moving and changing but arctic doesnt vote until the pile on in the last minute. I think thats kind of a bad look if it is true they were in fact around with all the wagon changes and not commiting to anything votewise
I think the least believable claims are wisdom/maple but i wouldnt kill maple til tomorrow; he says he can self resolve, i dont think he can self resolve but i dont think it hurts us killing him tomorrow instead of today in the weird chance that he can clear himself. I wouldnt berate you for going there today though
If you want to go outside the claims, i'd go somewhere in dolby/benneh/ladd/sunbae. I would probably go sunbae
I think I'd vote out wisdom if we are to go inside the claims. The day 1 reads of jan/ender didn't make sense to me and the claim today feels meh.
my heart say go wisdom so thats where i'll vote for now
Vote: Wisdom
I think wisdom because there is no way we can confirm that role and it will always just be a question we have. Even if we can surmise there is an arsonist, it still wouldnt clear wisdom.
I believe i have two posts left and im going to save them for the eod.
PSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPS
I was about to post this and i saw the dya/rask threadvelopment. The correct thing to do is to do nothing. I think if they are not v/v then rask is always the wolf. Dya is under no pressure to claim and if i understand them correctly there is some reason where rask can't be the sheep shooter. Rask still has a shot so if he's a villa you just let him shoot the wolf!dya. EZ PZ.
I'd go wisdom still because they work as a wolf regardless of how the claimbattle turns out and they have one of the weaker claims.
Vote: Wisdom
Why is no one asking why rask just assumed it was a full cc situation instead of considering it could be the same shot target? I know why I did but he didn't claim any reason on his end why it couldn't be v/v
i kind of think that he might be a wolf vig who used his role in a pro-town way which is why he claimed pretty easily under pressure like that
and you just both happened to target the same person, and his shot was the one that went through
Feels like grr is currently fence sitting, just a note to self.
I'm falling asleep and need my sleep schedule intact, so I hope this get sorted out. Good night, yeet wolves, stay hyped!
I village read this post wisdom but I have never been accused of this as mafia i think. I genuinely think you guys do not know how I wolf. fence sitting is agenda=>keeping ur options open etc. that means i am playing towards my wincon as wolf and everyone who approaches me that way will never read me correctly lol. (i realise that is like, an impossible concept to grasp for people who dont know me cuz it sounds backwards, but im explaining anyway cause i always do that).
Why is no one asking why rask just assumed it was a full cc situation instead of considering it could be the same shot target? I know why I did but he didn't claim any reason on his end why it couldn't be v/v
I have been asking that myself if it helps (lol). I think I kinda tuned it out becuz technically you also were so sure it was a CC so I couldnt determine it was sus for specifically him, but yeah i noted it.
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 23:25
Alignment only flips means it's never proven that I'm a vig
Yes, another remote possibility is that you are fake-claiming town fpsing because you're convinced Rask is scum and want to get him out somehow. But I'm not putting stock in it.
Vanta Black
08-10-2024, 23:26
I have one post after this i think, maybe 2 but definitely 1.
Claims in order of townyness from my PoV
Rasko- vig who killed sheep
Jan- PR
ender-something that targetted stet
wisdom-firefighter
maple-self PGO?
vvvv(o wolves)
Rasko
vvv(0-1 wolves)
stet
insomnia
vv(0-1 wolf)
dya
grr
v(1-2 wolves)
arctic
jan
vanta
gemma
knights
/shrug(1-3 wolves)
ladd
mont
dolby
maple
sunbae
benneh
w(0-2 wolves)
ender
wisdom
WRT maple- i didnt read his last couple posts before my last post so i didnt realize he PGO himself. I dont know how that is self resolving, but fuck it we can give it a day
I was looking at the wagons from eod 1 and there is a point where its
I feel like gemma/knights fell into the tonal abyss today after getting a pass from the majority of the thread; not feeling great about that. If ender is a wolf i wouldnt worry about knights. If ender is a villa then that opens up the world where knights is a wolf PR better than syn but thats a reach.
I find it kind of weird that arctic seemed to be around for the EoD but never really pparticipated when we had such close wagons, when i looked at Visor's iso for votecounts, they dont show up until the last one as one of the last minute votes. In the last 15 minutes main wagons were moving and changing but arctic doesnt vote until the pile on in the last minute. I think thats kind of a bad look if it is true they were in fact around with all the wagon changes and not commiting to anything votewise
I think the least believable claims are wisdom/maple but i wouldnt kill maple til tomorrow; he says he can self resolve, i dont think he can self resolve but i dont think it hurts us killing him tomorrow instead of today in the weird chance that he can clear himself. I wouldnt berate you for going there today though
If you want to go outside the claims, i'd go somewhere in dolby/benneh/ladd/sunbae. I would probably go sunbae
I think I'd vote out wisdom if we are to go inside the claims. The day 1 reads of jan/ender didn't make sense to me and the claim today feels meh.
my heart say go wisdom so thats where i'll vote for now
Vote: Wisdom
I think wisdom because there is no way we can confirm that role and it will always just be a question we have. Even if we can surmise there is an arsonist, it still wouldnt clear wisdom.
I believe i have two posts left and im going to save them for the eod.
PSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPSPS
I was about to post this and i saw the dya/rask threadvelopment. The correct thing to do is to do nothing. I think if they are not v/v then rask is always the wolf. Dya is under no pressure to claim and if i understand them correctly there is some reason where rask can't be the sheep shooter. Rask still has a shot so if he's a villa you just let him shoot the wolf!dya. EZ PZ.
I'd go wisdom still because they work as a wolf regardless of how the claimbattle turns out and they have one of the weaker claims.
Vote: Wisdom
I have a quetion about this which you don't need to answer wth only 1 post left but it loos like Rask is your top TR and dya is lower, so why is Rask always the woof?
didistetter
08-10-2024, 23:27
If Rask is maf, and you flip town, we can oust him later as likely fakeclaim. t-t is still remotely possible, but it's much safer to oust a claimed vig if the other claimed vig (you) is proven. From our perspective, is getting a flip on Rask now worth the risk of losing a shot?
I mean, he could have been shielding with reliance on his meta, but it's not easily. Ladd's interactions fit better there.
on the inverse tho: if he's maf it lets him get a free nk off.
if you wanna dodge all pr claims today, which is valid, where would you look?
feel like wagons d1 are significantly more dif if rask if town kp vs maf.
makes bussing wayyyyy more likely,
theknightsofneeee why are you still parked on jan who claimed pr?
idk elimming outside of the claims feels like a shot in the dark, but I kinda agree it feels like a better choice
im just kinda stuck b/c i probs move in dif directions depending on flips
Vote: Sleep (this is not a real suggestion, just want to see gemma/ladd/ender/maple/knights etc. come back in and react
last 2 posts for voting
Raskolnikov
08-10-2024, 23:27
dyachei
Arctic
didistetter
Vanta Black
nebjiamn.
Sunbae
Raskolnikov
ladd
Jan
Gemma
grr
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
ColonelLubriderm
Maple
Montmorency
Dolby
OK I actually realised I have one post left:
check the timestamps of the posts I linked in #2071 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858909&viewfull=1#post2053858909) and realise dya is just sacrifying their wolfy butt to evade the shot on a maf (I said I'd shoot in Maple/Wisdom after claiming).
Their presumed breadcrumbing is even AFTER my claim lol. Mine literally started at SOD smh. How do u people, out of all ww players do not see that smh? How can u let dya go away with this s!%? !!!!
fgs come on village. get ur ww sensor back on. Wisdom is even lolcating before going to bed arglll.
dya and minimum one of WIsdom/Maple are outed. (I think they are all actually maf so GG)
Frankly get dya because they actually deserve it or get one of the other two lolcatting slots and trust my shot to actually hit. glgl friendos
Yes, another remote possibility is that you are fake-claiming town fpsing because you're convinced Rask is scum and want to get him out somehow. But I'm not putting stock in it.
no strike that from the possibilities immediately. they would not do that.
dyachei
Arctic
didistetter
Vanta Black
nebjiamn.
Sunbae
Raskolnikov
ladd
Jan
Gemma
grr
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
ColonelLubriderm
Maple
Montmorency
Dolby
OK I actually realised I have one post left:
check the timestamps of the posts I linked in #2071 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858909&viewfull=1#post2053858909) and realise dya is just sacrifying their wolfy butt to evade the shot on a maf (I said I'd shoot in Maple/Wisdom after claiming).
Their presumed breadcrumbing is even AFTER my claim lol. Mine literally started at SOD smh. How do u people, out of all ww players do not see that smh? How can u let dya go away with this s!%? !!!!
fgs come on village. get ur ww sensor back on. Wisdom is even lolcating before going to bed arglll.
dya and minimum one of WIsdom/Maple are outed. (I think they are all actually maf so GG)
Frankly get dya because they actually deserve it or get one of the other two lolcatting slots and trust my shot to actually hit. glgl friendos
I made it very obvious I had targeted sheep. Stett even almost outed me herself because of how obvious it was
Rasks reaction to my claim is wolfy af
dyachei
Arctic
didistetter
Vanta Black
nebjiamn.
Sunbae
Raskolnikov
ladd
Jan
Gemma
grr
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
ColonelLubriderm
Maple
Montmorency
Dolby
OK I actually realised I have one post left:
check the timestamps of the posts I linked in #2071 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858909&viewfull=1#post2053858909) and realise dya is just sacrifying their wolfy butt to evade the shot on a maf (I said I'd shoot in Maple/Wisdom after claiming).
Their presumed breadcrumbing is even AFTER my claim lol. Mine literally started at SOD smh. How do u people, out of all ww players do not see that smh? How can u let dya go away with this s!%? !!!!
fgs come on village. get ur ww sensor back on. Wisdom is even lolcating before going to bed arglll.
dya and minimum one of WIsdom/Maple are outed. (I think they are all actually maf so GG)
Frankly get dya because they actually deserve it or get one of the other two lolcatting slots and trust my shot to actually hit. glgl friendos
I dont think this is how a villager talks?
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 23:35
Holy hell what an evil CL post. Is it confbiased to say that wall fits very well with a ladd-CL-Ender team?
I meld with CL on leaving Rask/dya alone for today.
on the inverse tho: if he's maf it lets him get a free nk off.
if you wanna dodge all pr claims today, which is valid, where would you look?
My team solve is still ladd-Gemma-CL-Jan/Ender/Wisdom, and by VC it seemed like most people were voting one of these before the latest claims developments.
no strike that from the possibilities immediately. they would not do that.
They're the one who implied it.
Wisdom was also not lolcatting even if she was a wolf, makes no sense for Rask to say that?
everyone. there it was all in the thread for you. I did sus stett (not itt D1 Monty, but realised I mistake them for Sunbae overnight) and shot them, conforted by Ladd's read.
u turn dya.
Damn u lazy patate. Just pings on the knight and sheep but rn i cant remember why smh. I wouldnt be surprised if the one TRing Benneh flips wolf though. Think I have asked about it, will prolly cast a vote once I sober up a bit. Syns post is OK (lmao this read), will reevaluate when he gets up. Ender is OK for D1 on tone only.
Grrr looks a bit odd to me rn, not sure what he saw on Newcomb (but this vote got my attention, curious about any follow up).
Pretty much it
Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe
looks at this post
looks at my poe
looks at this post
surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.
I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).
Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep
not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.
Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal :curtain:)
Rask posted these posts as well and tbh, I guess he isn't a lock w but I think we kinda have to kill him
claiming to shoot someone you confused for someone else is so whack and realized that overnight
Wisdom was also not lolcatting even if she was a wolf, makes no sense for Rask to say that?
i think they might be wolves together
especially if what i said is true about rask being a wolf vig who used his shot for towncred - in that world there probably isn't a wolf arso and wisdom's claim is just fake. their claims also neatly corroborate each other with wisdom being like "guys sheep was definitely town kp i know cuz of my role" implying that wolves have an arso so the vig must be town. seems like a cool little setup, dunno
i noticed earlier he's been shading wisdom all day and now is calling her outted out of nowhere
kinda feels like textbook distancing when the ship is sinking
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 23:45
idt leaving the dya/rask dichotomy alone today helps solve anything
lets say dya is v and rask is w -- he's locked himself into shooting them and if dya dies and flips town (along with another NK or two) we are stuck in the same dichotomy tomorrow and have to sort out whether to solve him
the only chance for this dichotomy to resolve by ignoring would be if he shoots a wolf (either dya or someone else) and i dont think the former is particularly likely, nor is the latter based on his conviction here
and on top of that idt the way he's approached dya's 'cc' is villagery, both in terms of consideration for dya's role/intent and also for the way he claimed he had conditionals in his last 2 posts but refused to elaborate after being called out on the potential conditional nature of roles ITG after dya's claim
not to mention we're like, already relying on the hope that maple will be 'self-resolving' with equally stilted clarity and claims and now ppl wana double down on that instead of just occam's razoring it here and killing one of the two players most likely to be wolf if we ignore mechanics (which, it seems, we almost certainly should because the game is confirmed role heavy!!!!! and the mechanics are otherwise unknown to everyone but the wolves who can otherwise take advantage of this)
nebjiamn
08-10-2024, 23:47
Vote: raskolnikov
i'm hostin a cookout but i'll be around sporadically between now and eod
i think they might be wolves together
especially if what i said is true about rask being a wolf vig who used his shot for towncred - in that world there probably isn't a wolf arso and wisdom's claim is just fake. their claims also neatly corroborate each other with wisdom being like "guys sheep was definitely town kp i know cuz of my role" implying that wolves have an arso so the vig must be town. seems like a cool little setup, dunno
i noticed earlier he's been shading wisdom all day and now is calling her outted out of nowhere
kinda feels like textbook distancing when the ship is sinking
disregard all of my reads tbh seriously. i need to start from scratch. (kinda liked wisdoms latest posts tbh but like, dunno as i said i need to think about this whole game differently and im not gonna do that anymore tonight, in my eyes raskols last post was so wolfy i assume we eliminate him here. lol)
Montmorency
08-10-2024, 23:49
idt leaving the dya/rask dichotomy alone today helps solve anything
lets say dya is v and rask is w -- he's locked himself into shooting them and if dya dies and flips town (along with another NK or two) we are stuck in the same dichotomy tomorrow and have to sort out whether to solve him
the only chance for this dichotomy to resolve by ignoring would be if he shoots a wolf (either dya or someone else) and i dont think the former is particularly likely, nor is the latter based on his conviction here
and on top of that idt the way he's approached dya's 'cc' is villagery, both in terms of consideration for dya's role/intent and also for the way he claimed he had conditionals in his last 2 posts but refused to elaborate after being called out on the potential conditional nature of roles ITG after dya's claim
not to mention we're like, already relying on the hope that maple will be 'self-resolving' with equally stilted clarity and claims and now ppl wana double down on that instead of just occam's razoring it here and killing one of the two players most likely to be wolf if we ignore mechanics (which, it seems, we almost certainly should because the game is confirmed role heavy!!!!! and the mechanics are otherwise unknown to everyone but the wolves who can otherwise take advantage of this)
lets say dya is v and rask is w -- he's locked himself into shooting them and if dya dies and flips town (along with another NK or two) we are stuck in the same dichotomy tomorrow and have to sort out whether to solve him
Yeah then we solve him. That's what I've conveyed. Maple, I don't even quite understand the implications of their claim, but flipping him is at least better than flipping Rask/dya IME.
But at the very least, is anyone going to even pretend to POE dya if Rask flips town? Because dya is almost certainly scum if t-Rask, and I think we're setting ourselves up to just bunt on that.
insomnia
08-10-2024, 23:50
saying rask used the shot for cred is pretty irrational imo
the setup is closed and it's safe to assume villas should have a vig. why set up for claiming vig?
This is certainly one of the d2s of all time.
I'm going to be real the only claim im going to clear without merit is ender.
And because people somehow STILL asking, I'm going to be sending a player a card today which they will receive at EoD. I'm not saying who I'm sending it to because if I did and that player is killed in the night, I'm definitely getting voted out tomorrow. So I simply need to not stack with the kill. I also don't know what the card will do, outside of *guessing*. Hence me picking 10 of Swords d1, since it seemed the most likely to give me a shot.
It's presumably better to kill outside the vigis, though only rask can really resolve dya, and he can always just claim RBd tomorrow, so ya know how it is.
As far as reads go, who fucking knows I still havent processed the like 8 fuckin claims and how that impacts my worldview. I fuck with killing some random person who isn't claiming just to let shit sort itself out to an extent, though ff isn't exactly a claim that's doing that anytime soon sadly.
In conclusion:
lol
lmao
ok why would wolf rask someone else's shot knowing he'd get cc'ed, that early on and when he wasn't even the consensus elim?
didistetter
08-10-2024, 23:56
it's not a bad thing because we can analyze wagons
dyachei
Arctic
didistetter
Vanta Black
nebjiamn.
Sunbae
Raskolnikov
ladd
Jan
Gemma
grr
EnderWiggin
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
ColonelLubriderm
Maple
Montmorency
Dolby
OK I actually realised I have one post left:
check the timestamps of the posts I linked in #2071 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858909&viewfull=1#post2053858909) and realise dya is just sacrifying their wolfy butt to evade the shot on a maf (I said I'd shoot in Maple/Wisdom after claiming).
Their presumed breadcrumbing is even AFTER my claim lol. Mine literally started at SOD smh. How do u people, out of all ww players do not see that smh? How can u let dya go away with this s!%? !!!!
fgs come on village. get ur ww sensor back on. Wisdom is even lolcating before going to bed arglll.
dya and minimum one of WIsdom/Maple are outed. (I think they are all actually maf so GG)
Frankly get dya because they actually deserve it or get one of the other two lolcatting slots and trust my shot to actually hit. glgl friendos
uh lol.
this is wolfy
i was kinda find following mont but
you literally read what i said and spun it in the wolfiest way possible
dya had a kinda petualant reaction sod to me being pissy about the sheep kill, and said it was good for wagonomics, and you fully ignored me insulting the vig for like 6 posts.
1 post left
Visor could we get a vc pls?
Vote: Raskolnikov
claims
wisdom- firefighter 2-shot
maple- some kind of PR+ now has a PGO 1-shot
jan- some kind of PR
rasko- 2 shot vig, killed sheep
ender- some kind of pr who targetted didi
ColonelLubriderm-VT
if i was going to kill in the claims i'd kill wisdom
i think rasko is always a villa.
PGO means if someone targets them they die right?
dya you were literally in the thread when this got posted btw
ok why would wolf rask someone else's shot knowing he'd get cc'ed, that early on and when he wasn't even the consensus elim?
The only reason for a wolf to claim the sheep shot is A) get the real vigi to out B) they actually made that shot and dont expect to be CCd
A only works vs a restricted vigi, though.
i think Rask and Wisdom can both be wolves
maybe Maple to but idk I'm warming up to Maple
dya you were literally in the thread when this got posted btw
He was probably working on it before the cc
sorry Maple
so just to clarify: you gave yourself the 10 of Swords which = 1 shot nerfed PGO with your own role, and then also someone else inverted you, which you then pretended to not know what means in response to me while then admitting you knew what it meant later
so: are you basically claiming PGO inventor who got inverted so you ended up giving the PGO to yourself?
if so, how is that self confirmable?
reading this again i am perfectly happy to just fuck the claims and kill maple but i think it's pretty unlikely rask's role is real so i don't mind if we stick the course
yeah im over trying to think about all of this bullshit lets just kill someone
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 00:13
Most of us seem to believe that one way or another, 2-3 maf are fakeclaiming today. Half or most of the team in standard distribution. For disclosure I can see 2 fs.
Tough row to hoe though.
ColonelLubriderm
08-11-2024, 00:17
i think i have one more post but fuck it;
dya claims her shot can't work if sheep was targetted so we have to have one wolf between the two;
im fine going rasko>dya because i don't think dya going for the 1-1 with one teammatto already down makes sense in any world and if this is a wolf play by dya; so be it, we get them tomorrow;
then we come into the next day with more info regardless and a clearer space of the world we live in
vote: rasko
i have 1 left after this
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 00:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw&pp=ygUQZHVtYiB3YXlzIHRvIGRpZQ%3D%3D
Somehow EOD feels less YOLO and more "death march to bullying Biden into dropping out", to use that reference point. High risk/reward, as they say.
So be it indeed.
(50 post cap with EOD lift has proved more appropriate for the Org by the by)
ColonelLubriderm
08-11-2024, 00:28
I counted and after this post i have one more;
dyachei
Do you know if your shot went off? Is it possible your action failed because he targetted sheep with his action and you are both villagers?
if the answer to this question isn't Yes; then we should go outside of rasko because i think it is possible they are both villas;
I believe dyachei and i think its possible both could villas;
also i dont think maple can clear himself; at best he can just confirm that he hands out cards. however i'd not kill them because the effect of said card could be spicy
vote: wisdom
I want this as a wagon
Vote: Wisdom
I counted and after this post i have one more;
dyachei
Do you know if your shot went off? Is it possible your action failed because he targetted sheep with his action and you are both villagers?
if the answer to this question isn't Yes; then we should go outside of rasko because i think it is possible they are both villas;
I believe dyachei and i think its possible both could villas;
also i dont think maple can clear himself; at best he can just confirm that he hands out cards. however i'd not kill them because the effect of said card could be spicy
vote: wisdom
I'm not certain so yes it's possible my shot didn't go off
idt leaving the dya/rask dichotomy alone today helps solve anything
lets say dya is v and rask is w -- he's locked himself into shooting them and if dya dies and flips town (along with another NK or two) we are stuck in the same dichotomy tomorrow and have to sort out whether to solve him
the only chance for this dichotomy to resolve by ignoring would be if he shoots a wolf (either dya or someone else) and i dont think the former is particularly likely, nor is the latter based on his conviction here
and on top of that idt the way he's approached dya's 'cc' is villagery, both in terms of consideration for dya's role/intent and also for the way he claimed he had conditionals in his last 2 posts but refused to elaborate after being called out on the potential conditional nature of roles ITG after dya's claim
not to mention we're like, already relying on the hope that maple will be 'self-resolving' with equally stilted clarity and claims and now ppl wana double down on that instead of just occam's razoring it here and killing one of the two players most likely to be wolf if we ignore mechanics (which, it seems, we almost certainly should because the game is confirmed role heavy!!!!! and the mechanics are otherwise unknown to everyone but the wolves who can otherwise take advantage of this)
Dolby they could both be v since rask's shot could have gone through and dya's didn't
but i find that unlikely for reasons
and also, this post makes the most sense to me rn
rask's posts didn't consider a town dya world and didn't say anything about how every role so far seems to be conditional at least to an extent
but even if we let him live and he shoots dya (who is probably town regardless) that.. doesn't really resolve him
if it was 2-shot that he claimed, i mean
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 00:33
Wisdom is in my team solve, but more by association to the core team than anything I can remember of her play. Her claim is meatier than anyone but the vigs'.
Let's see what happens.
Vote: Wisdom
u are all annoying since u apparently can't read the thread. I killed sheep smh. have another shot.
is this rask claiming specifically 2-shot vig?
i don't think miskilling him is really the end of the world then
ngl i was mainly panicking cuz i wasn't sure if he claimed ungated
i think being 2 shot is a fine conditional? idk
Dolby they could both be v since rask's shot could have gone through and dya's didn't
but i find that unlikely for reasons
and also, this post makes the most sense to me rn
rask's posts didn't consider a town dya world and didn't say anything about how every role so far seems to be conditional at least to an extent
but even if we let him live and he shoots dya (who is probably town regardless) that.. doesn't really resolve him
if it was 2-shot that he claimed, i mean
I stand by my previous post, and heck I have some posts on Dya/Rask, but I do think I want Wisdom in contention. Wisdom's claim is whack and, tbh in retro my reasons for townreading her and Rask on Syn spew sucked and were probably influenced by me feeling like needing to get into the game immediately. I also think that Wisdom's worldview just doesn't make sense
Rask is a good elim to though. Would be interested in seeing a VC. I want to save a few posts for the last half hour.
and before someone says no i don't think he's town but what i'm saying is i don't really feel like acting like it's joever if he is and we kill him
is this rask claiming specifically 2-shot vig?
i don't think miskilling him is really the end of the world then
ngl i was mainly panicking cuz i wasn't sure if he claimed ungated
i think being 2 shot is a fine conditional? idk
yeah the only thing that looks good about it is that he's claiming under pressure and in response to Stett calling Dya the vig
but Dya is just the vig
Visor can we get a vc
the good thing about being afk all day is now i can freely spam and not care
I'm also concerned that I've been misreading Ender but also I don't like his Benneh push, and I feel he's been a bit uncharitable to me as a replacement who still hasn't fully read but tbf I've been a bit uncharitiable to him
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 00:45
TALLY #2153
Raskolnikov 7 (EnderWiggin, dyachei, Dolby, Wisdom, grr, nebjiamn, didistetter)
Wisdom 3 (Colonel Lubriderm, Dolby, Montmorency)
dyachei 2 (Vanta Black, Raskolnikov)
Maple 2 (Gemma, insomnia)
Dolby 1 (Maple)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Montmorency 1 (Ladd)
guess i'm just gonna use this time to talk about some other things
i don't like wisdom's post about the situation regardless of what rask is (i think dya is town either way imo, claim matches too well with what they've been crumbing previously + no real reason to claim here). it feels like TMI that rask is a wolf here, or even if he isn't the lack of real consideration about what's going on doesn't feel great
i haven't spoken about grr yet today but i want it known that i am +1'ing all of the lock town meta reads on him - he is a much more binary player as a wolf and it would be a lot more obvious. he isn't really capable of replicating the back and forth he's had over his reads and his doubt/paranoia on stuff. i can't describe it very well and these all feel like buzzwords, but he is a pretty idiosyncratic player and the way he's been parsing this game particularly with the frustration over being ignored on the newcomb push + his indignation in interactions with rask today are just from town him. i would not reconsider this read until lylo
insomnia's posts are also just too good, even if ladd is town i don't care i just feel like he's been the only person in the group of "strong players" who's been seriously getting his hands dirty and actually parsing that group, would maybe reconsider like the day before lylo but i doubt it. same applies to stett, she has a particular way of questioning people as town where i can tell she cares about the response and her follow ups have been proof of this
i'm actually less sure on ladd being a wolf now that i think wisdom is probably a wolf which is ironic given the earlier sentiment expressed, but ladd was the first person to call out wisdom's claim as probably fake iirc so it's worth thinking about. i would expect at least one between them though
i was going to say that after colonel's post transcripting the neighborhood chat i would have locked him as town but learning that was all fake kind of gave me whiplash and also scares me a little in terms of implications for how good his wolfgame is knowing he can fake all that. i haven't had many other thoughts on his posts today. i'd re-visit him like.. tomorrow, honestly? maybe the day after
sunbae i am kinda townreading cuz i honestly just believe the unconvincing self-meta wall. like they expected it to be not convincing if they are a wolf. when i'm town i have a habit of doing the same thing and just posting it anyway because i know it's true, and i don't bother so much when i'm a wolf. i also don't really feel like they have an agenda and the restless urge to do something that strong wolf players have tends to be pretty hard to ignore, and that's what he's done this game if he is a wolf. i find it much easier to just be happy about doing nothing when i'm town than when i'm a wolf, most people probably know this feeling too. is this gonna stop you guys killing him later - probably not, and i don't expect it to either, so this one is more of a hero townread that i fully expect you guys to ignore
montmorency actually, uh, yeah still no clue honestly. i find his posting very null. i've seen the arguments about his eod1 seeming uninformed and there seems to be some meta involved which i nodded along to, but i think this may need to be reconsidered if rask is a wolf too
benneh i think kinda falls into a similar place to sunbae for me (quite unhelpful, i know) but i don't really think the way he's playing is super sustainable as a wolf? i know that like, no one is really trying to kill him but going back to the restless urge thing, it seems like if he is a wolf he's perfectly happy about just letting villagers clear each other which is inevitably going to result in his untimely boxing in. dunno. i think he's had fine posts today, i don't agree with the ender push but i think his last push on rask seemed the most grounded thing presented today. i'm running out of people to call a wolf though so uhm i guess he's just a wolf anyway. rip!
think i've more or less spoken about everyone else
i have found knights and gemma distinctly unimpressive today (moreso knights, i still believe gemma is spewed) but if we keep missing killing people who aren't either of these two, the world where all of the wagons on day 1 were wolves is worth considering, because wolves stacking on syn there is like, pretty a pretty reasonable explanation for things. so re-visit them if the above people keep flipping town i guess
but as it stands my poe would probably be
jan (replace with colonel if rask is wolf)
dolby
mont
vanta
benneh
ladd
maple
wisdom
rask
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 6 (EnderWiggin, dyachei, Wisdom, grr, nebjiamn, Didistetter)
Wisdom 3 (ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Montmorency)
dyachei 2 (Vanta Black, Raskolnikov)
Maple 2 (Gemma, insomnia)
Jan 1 (Theknightsofneeee)
Montmorency 1 (Ladd)
Dolby 1 (Maple)
whatthistextdo
fwiw Arctic, I think your bottom 4 (Rask-Wisdom-Maple-Ladd) could be the team
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:10
okay genuinely so sorry for today guys, its just been crazy irl with my 30th bday dinner and drinking last night and my parents just threw a surprise pool party for me at their house today.
just got home gonna speedrun solving for a bit
mostly skimmed to present
saw wisdom claim firefighter
jan claimed pr
raskol 2shot vig
dya claim vig
anything I missed?
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 01:13
I didn't catch all the duplicates in the tally...
okay genuinely so sorry for today guys, its just been crazy irl with my 30th bday dinner and drinking last night and my parents just threw a surprise pool party for me at their house today.
just got home gonna speedrun solving for a bit
mostly skimmed to present
saw wisdom claim firefighter
jan claimed pr
raskol 2shot vig
dya claim vig
anything I missed?
Rask and dya at each other's throats.
Maple has a very complex claim that I'm not sure how to summarize. Here are a few links.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858825&viewfull=1#post2053858825
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858752&viewfull=1#post2053858752
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia/page66?p=2053858812#post2053858812
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858969&viewfull=1#post2053858969
okay genuinely so sorry for today guys, its just been crazy irl with my 30th bday dinner and drinking last night and my parents just threw a surprise pool party for me at their house today.
just got home gonna speedrun solving for a bit
mostly skimmed to present
saw wisdom claim firefighter
jan claimed pr
raskol 2shot vig
dya claim vig
anything I missed?
I'm one shot conditional vog
fwiw Arctic, I think your bottom 4 (Rask-Wisdom-Maple-Ladd) could be the team
and like.. if that's the case then they all just fell over and died this game? ladd was trying to keep up pushes on sheep/knights/gemma and wolves weren't able to do anything about the villa led (in this world) CFD to w/w wagons on syn/rask so kinda just flailed and, well, have been since i guess. since the jan push today fell flat with people seeing villa posting from him today (i forgot to mention that i disagree with this, i don't really think the manti claim callout was towny and everything else went over my head)
i guess it's possible - but wouldn't maple voting rask at eod1 have been a little strange then? i guess we don't know what syn's role is. if this is the team then like, they're half-committing to bussing each other (and not the same one either, i mean you have ladd calling out wisdom's claim, wisdom hard pushing rask after the claim, maple not giving a fuck about anything)
there's not much disproving this i guess but that team feels hella disorganized
ender also hard-soft claimed pr
fwiw Arctic, I think your bottom 4 (Rask-Wisdom-Maple-Ladd) could be the team
no fucking universe you actually think this lol
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:20
First off
I hate that the iso function only goes back 100 posts, that is so annoying
secondly here is a really interesting sequence with ladd that rings as very hollow/wolfy to me.
yea this is basically how i feel about them
thx for the other reads too :y:
artic probably cleared themselves in my eyes with their post last couple of pages tbh
lettuce see where i am at if i kinda yolo it just for fun
just villagers
ladd
newcomb
didistetter
artic
grrr
confident villagers, ordered
bop
jan
rask
this is where reads i strongly care about end
wisdom - if i am wrong somehwere here i'd guess its them
dya - maybeee some worlds where they a wolf but based on toan/meta i'd say they are fairly likely to be villa
leaning villa but losing a bit of confidence/some worlds where they are a wolf with manti if manti w
insomnia
sunbae
the rest, ordered in 2 tiers. no order within tiers
ender - feels villagery but surface level
sheep - bit unsure but i think i am cool with havig them here for now
benneh - feel like i did him a bit dirty cause havent made much of an effort on my part to re read his iso and find him but thats mostly cause i wanst gonna lunch him today anyway
knights - confusing play
gemma - have trouble believing his posts show genuine solving
maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf
cobalt - see ya tomorrow; maybe
not evne gonna list monte/vanta
i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier
i'll bbl
as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts
has knights tried to be villagery tho? Some spooky gemma votes ngl
@manti i'd be curious of a benneh iso
i think bop is a villager cause of what he did not say but clearly was thinking vs what he actually said. Like i think in his mind he was linking me and wisdom even if he never said so explicitely but i could FEEL that he was clearing thinking about game/associations/worlds, whateve ryou wanna call it in a critical way
no one asked but i saw grr post their bop villa read so i figured i may chime in cause i feel pretty good about it now
forgetting to put syn on the list and not giving a reason for putting them there (when they gave a reason for everyone else in the wolves tier) feels kinda partner'y, having gemma in your bottom tier and then being concerned about the people voting gemma also feels weird/not what I would expect from villa!ladd when someone he thinks is a wolf is getting voted, and he repeatedly pushed multiple villagers throughout the day (myself, sheep, gemma) in ways that are soft shade'y and feel wolfy to me in retrospect (and they felt wolfy to me yesterday as well)
raskol is probably a wolf if the claim is directly competeing with dya, because I hard read dya as villager
but the heart wants what it wants
Vote: ladd
so rask *is* currently dying here, so rask-voters just want to make sure we're all okay with that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw&pp=ygUQZHVtYiB3YXlzIHRvIGRpZQ%3D%3D
Somehow EOD feels less YOLO and more "death march to bullying Biden into dropping out", to use that reference point. High risk/reward, as they say.
So be it indeed.
(50 post cap with EOD lift has proved more appropriate for the Org by the by)
they're really gonna make me vote for joe biden? joe biden?
how is the best case scenario joe biden?
joe joe joe buhhh
juh juh juh joe biden
j-j-j-joe
they're really gonna make me vote for joe biden?
no fucking universe you actually think this lol
I mean fwiw I think you and Rask are loosely anti aligned in both directions (you -> him and him-> you, Rask did vote you in a awkward spot to vote a teammate earlier today iirc) but eh it fits well in my head
i see everyone set themselves on fire and we're yeeting a claimed vig for some reason
seems fine to me!
What about the fact that ladd has been pushing me all game?
I'll at most concede pairing me with Wisdom.
definitely no worlds there could ever be 2 town vigs in a game where visor said he'd be bopping with the kp lmao
so rask *is* currently dying here, so rask-voters just want to make sure we're all okay with that
I'm fine with it. his reaction to my claim has only been wolfy. he made it a dichotomy before knowing my conditional and has been outright hostile even though we *could* have been v/v shooting the same target. He also got upset when I pointed out i had crumbed it earlier than he did and I basically defended the shot in thread from the start of day. I was hoping to be the NK when I did that because Im out of shots but like...idk that they will bother now
14 posts left after this one
definitely no worlds there could ever be 2 town vigs in a game where visor said he'd be bopping with the kp lmao
I conceded that there could be but rask didn't even consider it. he's been wolfy since I claimed.
What about the fact that ladd has been pushing me all game?
I'll at most concede pairing me with Wisdom.
i was thinking about this earlier and i don't really think this unpartners you
his handling of you has been more.. "why are people townreading maple for no reason? this is so strange!" rather than like.. actually a push? you've never been his vote, or his main focus. seems like that was jan today and knights/sheep yesterday
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:29
yea this is basically how i feel about them
thx for the other reads too :y:
artic probably cleared themselves in my eyes with their post last couple of pages tbh
lettuce see where i am at if i kinda yolo it just for fun
just villagers
ladd
newcomb
didistetter
artic
grrr
confident villagers, ordered
bop
jan
rask
this is where reads i strongly care about end
wisdom - if i am wrong somehwere here i'd guess its them
dya - maybeee some worlds where they a wolf but based on toan/meta i'd say they are fairly likely to be villa
leaning villa but losing a bit of confidence/some worlds where they are a wolf with manti if manti w
insomnia
sunbae
the rest, ordered in 2 tiers. no order within tiers
ender - feels villagery but surface level
sheep - bit unsure but i think i am cool with havig them here for now
benneh - feel like i did him a bit dirty cause havent made much of an effort on my part to re read his iso and find him but thats mostly cause i wanst gonna lunch him today anyway
knights - confusing play
gemma - have trouble believing his posts show genuine solving
maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf
cobalt - see ya tomorrow; maybe
not evne gonna list monte/vanta
i forgot syn, they are in the ender/sheep tier
i'll bbl
as an aside imo its a super interesting game and am personally very curious to find out what was going on d1 with flips in mind. hope it's nothing too boring but idts
has knights tried to be villagery tho? Some spooky gemma votes ngl
@manti i'd be curious of a benneh iso
i think bop is a villager cause of what he did not say but clearly was thinking vs what he actually said. Like i think in his mind he was linking me and wisdom even if he never said so explicitely but i could FEEL that he was clearing thinking about game/associations/worlds, whateve ryou wanna call it in a critical way
no one asked but i saw grr post their bop villa read so i figured i may chime in cause i feel pretty good about it now
I'm fine with it. his reaction to my claim has only been wolfy. he made it a dichotomy before knowing my conditional and has been outright hostile even though we *could* have been v/v shooting the same target. He also got upset when I pointed out i had crumbed it earlier than he did and I basically defended the shot in thread from the start of day. I was hoping to be the NK when I did that because Im out of shots but like...idk that they will bother now
14 posts left after this one
yeah dya is always a villager here btw
raskol probably a wolf because of that but I didn't see the lead up to the claim, was he under pressure? why did he claim?
i'm doubtful there is 2 villa vigs that can shoot on the same night, and the wolves don't have matching kp (althought as i'm typing this out I remembered arsonist potential because of wisdom and thats leading me to reconsider)
hmph
visor probably wouldn't allow for stacking in such a small setup but it would depend if the arsonist had a BPV or something.
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 01:30
forgetting to put syn on the list and not giving a reason for putting them there (when they gave a reason for everyone else in the wolves tier) feels kinda partner'y, having gemma in your bottom tier and then being concerned about the people voting gemma also feels weird/not what I would expect from villa!ladd when someone he thinks is a wolf is getting voted, and he repeatedly pushed multiple villagers throughout the day (myself, sheep, gemma) in ways that are soft shade'y and feel wolfy to me in retrospect (and they felt wolfy to me yesterday as well)
raskol is probably a wolf if the claim is directly competeing with dya, because I hard read dya as villager
but the heart wants what it wants
Vote: ladd
Yeah, it's ladd-ender. Astonishing how both ladd and syn forgot to rank eachother on their leans lists.
Although this
maple - no read but interesting web of connections. prob a strong wolf pr if wolf
hits different now.
Vote:ladd
I conceded that there could be but rask didn't even consider it. he's been wolfy since I claimed.
well i hope ur wrong bc im gonna look stupid af if he's a wolf lol
yeah dya is always a villager here btw
raskol probably a wolf because of that but I didn't see the lead up to the claim, was he under pressure? why did he claim?
i'm doubtful there is 2 villa vigs that can shoot on the same night, and the wolves don't have matching kp (althought as i'm typing this out I remembered arsonist potential because of wisdom and thats leading me to reconsider)
hmph
visor probably wouldn't allow for stacking in such a small setup but it would depend if the arsonist had a BPV or something.
rask was under pressure from what I remember seeing
You should note I'm conditional - my vig only goes off if no one else targets the player and i'm one shot
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:34
Yeah, it's ladd-ender. Astonishing how both ladd and syn forgot to rank eachother on their leans lists.
Although this
hits different now.
Vote:ladd
i think if ladd is a wolf that is his way of setting up a possible mislynch on maple later, because maple tends to both a) endgame a lot and b) be mislynchable depending on the player list.
this is the type of player list where its actually relatively hard to mislynch maple IMO, because people will accurately clear him, but if you're a wolf you have to keep options open.
and thats what ladd's game feels like to me.
more than solving the game and pushing wolves, he's clearing the obvious villagers (newcomb/grr/bop) but still trying to spread shade to everyone
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 01:35
rask was under pressure from what I remember seeing
You should note I'm conditional - my vig only goes off if no one else targets the player and i'm one shot
Is the vig wasted if you co-target? If you don't know, can you ask Visor if you can shoot tonight? You don't have to tell us btw.
does anyone know what wagons are aorn
if theres a viable cw to rask id go there but also not interested in flashing ladd imo
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:38
i'm obviously willing to give jan a day or two because of the claim (probably exactly 2)
but if raskol flips wolf its unlikely that both jan and raskol claimed before EOD as wolves, so i would probably just assume he's villa until close to lylo.
gonna read raskol's claim/reaction to dya and make sure i'm okay with him dying here
Is the vig wasted if you co-target? If you don't know, can you ask Visor if you can shoot tonight? You don't have to tell us btw.
it's wasted
i think if ladd is a wolf that is his way of setting up a possible mislynch on maple later, because maple tends to both a) endgame a lot and b) be mislynchable depending on the player list.
this is the type of player list where its actually relatively hard to mislynch maple IMO, because people will accurately clear him, but if you're a wolf you have to keep options open.
and thats what ladd's game feels like to me.
more than solving the game and pushing wolves, he's clearing the obvious villagers (newcomb/grr/bop) but still trying to spread shade to everyone
misyeet/misyeeted/misyeetable
j-j-j-joe
i'm obviously willing to give jan a day or two because of the claim (probably exactly 2)
but if raskol flips wolf its unlikely that both jan and raskol claimed before EOD as wolves, so i would probably just assume he's villa until close to lylo.
gonna read raskol's claim/reaction to dya and make sure i'm okay with him dying here
wtf jan also claimed lmao
what even hapopened while i was sleeping jesus
Call me a lunchable the way I get voted out in endgames
wtf jan also claimed lmao
what even hapopened while i was sleeping jesus
Mass claim for some inexplicable reason
Call me a lunchable the way I get voted out in endgames
lunch is the bare minimum effort yes
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:44
read benneh iso
liked his treatment of Sunbae (following up on his stated read about sunbae being a collaborator as a villager), agree with him on dya being obvious villa, and think he's pushing in the right areas (ender/jan/raskol) but I would maybe argue that he doesn't feel like he's inquisitive/probing enough this game, more that he's an observer/commenter than a wolf hunter.
still would put him as a villa lean, but not in top tier villas.
is everyone just postcapped or what?
isnt it like 15 min to eod?
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:45
wtf jan also claimed lmao
what even hapopened while i was sleeping jesus
forreal lol
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:46
is everyone just postcapped or what?
isnt it like 15 min to eod?
yeah everyone is close to the cap and/or most people are committed to voting raskol because a) his associatives with syn are pretty bad and b) they don't believe his shot on sheep because dya also claimed a conditional shot on sheep.
its a whole ass thing
i would tend to agree but i'm looking at him now
this is why u lift cap smh
I'm here. I have ten posts after this one
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:49
Are you trying to convince me you are a wolf? (I can use fancy font too :stare:)
stares at this post
do i really think this is w/w?
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:49
this is why u lift cap smh
thats why you never trust an aussie to run a game
<3 visor
stares at this post
do i really think this is w/w?
yes
yes
it seems like low effort distancing to me lol but i might be tunneled rn
it seems like low effort distancing to me lol but i might be tunneled rn
yeah i already said as such before any of this even happened so it's not just you lol
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:52
catching up I was at something like knight/sheep/Maple/Jan/Grrr as immediate POE but like I am prolly going to start over considering my record so far lol. Jan and Grrr being somhow ego reads (and since I am villa I can totally see Jan pushing a counter wagon on me at EOD). Grrr vote record stinks (he also literrally voted me for reading him in good faith lol, prolly sponging Sunbae too but) and he have had some of the most LAMIST post itg so far, but i dunno, his posts are pure. Might still be worth looking into more iyam.
I am gonna have more time toDay too so dw, u will get plenty of thoughts from me :p
i think this POE is pretty ass and almost worth dying just for that
sheep (flipped villa), maple (likely villa) grrr (likely villa) myself (villager) and jan (claimed PR)
oof
ColonelLubriderm
08-11-2024, 01:54
I think we should vote wisdom.
It's kind of weird more people don't think dya-rask could be v-v. Because either side claiming as a wolf makes zero sense. Rask can be a 2 shot vog AND dya can be a one shot vig that only works if no one else targets. It isn't that crazy.
@raskolinkov
if you arent killed consider not shooting dya
and to those who think i might look bad for trying to not kill rask if he is indeed a wolf; i started up the syn and rask wagons at eod on day 1. if they are both wolves im a golden god and jan will be giving my tootsies a rub in postgame
gl godbless
didistetter
08-11-2024, 01:54
im getting coldfeet b/c if rask is town with an extra vig shot its a giga problem, but im not sure how we wouldnt just be stuck going through this again tommorow unless he shoots a wolf tonight
DADV, so kinda seems like rask is flipping.
i actually have one more post if i need to switch votes, but i have no confidence in a cw rn.
don't love wisdom's re pop in, but im worried im tunneled.
ladd cf doesnt feel right
if rask flips W, maple, mont, both def town.
i wish people were more active, all the slots ive ?? on havent been around, so i dont know if its just recency/volume bias or not
got some posts to waste so might as well ask you why you think maple is a likely villa or why you think jan claiming a PR makes them town since it's a closed rolemadness setup and anyone can claim anything especially because it's flipless
im getting coldfeet b/c if rask is town with an extra vig shot its a giga problem, but im not sure how we wouldnt just be stuck going through this again tommorow unless he shoots a wolf tonight
DADV, so kinda seems like rask is flipping.
i actually have one more post if i need to switch votes, but i have no confidence in a cw rn.
don't love wisdom's re pop in, but im worried im tunneled.
ladd cf doesnt feel right
if rask flips W, maple, mont, both def town.
i wish people were more active, all the slots ive ?? on havent been around, so i dont know if its just recency/volume bias or not
omg she did the thing she said the word wow
eh its whatever rask was always dying at some point after fumbling the godread (godreads are so silly lol)
i have no idea what anyones doing so i'll just popcorn and wait for flip
I think we should vote wisdom.
It's kind of weird more people don't think dya-rask could be v-v. Because either side claiming as a wolf makes zero sense. Rask can be a 2 shot vog AND dya can be a one shot vig that only works if no one else targets. It isn't that crazy.
@raskolinkov
if you arent killed consider not shooting dya
and to those who think i might look bad for trying to not kill rask if he is indeed a wolf; i started up the syn and rask wagons at eod on day 1. if they are both wolves im a golden god and jan will be giving my tootsies a rub in postgame
gl godbless
take it up with rask - he instantly assumed it couldn't be v/v which is not a towny thought process
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 01:56
not voting toDay
1. dyachei > they feel like their usual villa. reads, reevals, visible frustration for being sussed for lolsies. Not sure them trying to tie me up with Syn at SOD is AI, will see what they make of it. voted Syn
2. Arctic, Just feel villa, determined pushing his reads, (some of them I actually noded along - coucou Mapoule), punted a wolf
3. Didistetter. first game with them (outside recent mash), feels good tonally, solvey all around, coming with original and usefull hindsights/perspectives (Ladd/Benneh on top of my head) that help solving imo
prolly just villagers too
8. Ladd > allready posted enough about him I guess. I think if he was wolfing with Syn I'd be dead. not in the upper tier because #thefear
10. Gemma much more content than the game they woofed here earlier this year. detrimental to getting Syn yeeted.
13. insomnia prolly villaging too. I was afraid me clearing him for microreasons D1 was dumb since I generally have him villa faster (Bennehs game we played in may at MU being an instance, I had him lock villa D1), but I dunno, he sounds like solving villa!insom with a dose of "I am getting D1ed in every mash" ptsd
true nulls
4. Vanta Black. can go either way. I am, dunno how to phrase it correctly so excuse me if it hurts, getting a bit bored at the "I am an overwhelmed noob" attitude ( particularly because I've seen it as either alignment, on various sites) (take that shade Vanta, with love)
5. nebjiamn. Think benneh hasn't started playing. Noted an interesting post about how to read Sunbae, with a town lean on Sunbae, which helps. (tier are unordered but he is the null I feel the best with Sunbae)
6. Sunbae, prolly villaging. Lilked their stance on dya. Felt townie and based. (yes I am a sucker for pockety post lol, can't help it) Liked their reaction to me confusing them with sheep and expressing a sus. He isn't on the above tier because I feel he is still lacking some solving effort (for Sunbae I mean, sorry to have you in high regard, I know it's annoying to be expected a delivery every other game) and also #thefear2 (sorry I still remember that small game from 2 years ago u did us good friendo)
21. C0balt (now Dolby). really null. nothing to say (didn't notice Cobalt posting, just people giving him a day pass for irl reasons; Dolby not ketchup; pending)
trending down nulls
11. grr people say they are pure and villagery. Still didn't like their votes on Newcomb and me and the reasoning behind them (Newcomb not having a solve 10 hours in and me reading him in good faith in their clash with Maple lol. Like he posted a lot of stuff but he chooses this reason to cast his final vote... riiighht). Didn't like most of their lamist posts
12. EnderWiggin lol openwolfing as usual (add to that dude rands wolf more often that I eat cheese and baguettes)
16. ColonelLubriderm need to read more. But disliked their opening and their push on me. Well people say this is villa!Bop for the most part but I don't like it still. Prolly worth a full ISO before EOD2.
19. Montmorency null. But I noticed he tryed to pocket me, which feels "unusual" to say the least. Nothing damning but prolly needs to produce more content for me to get there
14. Wisdom (<3) Not sure how to say it but I think they have tryed to misrep me multiple time already
- when they talked loudly about me not wanting to rand wolf this game - lmao as if they were tones of peeps willing to woof in this village, come on - but surprisingly never told the thread I promised to kill them immediatly too in that world
- when they talked about my stance on Bop
- when they exchanged with Jan about what I'd do wolfing with Syn (like it's dumb to think I actually know what I would do in the first place. depends of opponents, his thread position, mine, general game plan etc... I mean I can post science fiction to shade people too)
> They aren't lower because I have a bad record with them and they have their very special way of producing reads. But like, I have a bad taste on my mouth.
immediate POE
9. Jan, allready posted about him. Not convinced about their EOD posts and their explanations. His PR post is so fucking wolfy I won't write an essay about it but yeah
18. Maple. Working on small pings, lacking global solving. inverted what. See artic's ISO for details. He does match what I remember from villa!him tonally but it is dumb for such a player. Feels performative (somebody with more Manti xp tells me if that's AI)
20. Theknightsofneeee Bad entrance, meh follow up, noded along when cased by Newcomb. Tunneled on Jan (they aren't prolly with them so I am wrong somewhere but it's my read aorn, help me getting there)
These are prolly dumb, lacking, but that's the business state rn. I could use town cases on my POE and tell me why me villa reading some folks feels off. Sorry some of them are ego reads but I have been lacking time D1 and couldn't sponged all the thread (need to threadcamp for that, skill issue)
yeah i think this reads list (especially the wolves) feels like the type of wolf reads a wolf would make
one of his wolf reads is me (a person who voted a wolf wagon instead of his wagon) maple (obvious mislynch bait for wolves) and jan (he had already claimed PR by this point and still has him in wolves? even if you believe it you still clear him until nightkills happen)
content with this slot dying
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 6 (EnderWiggin, dyachei, Wisdom, grr, nebjiamn, Didistetter)
Wisdom 2 (ColonelLubriderm, Dolby)
dyachei 2 (Vanta Black, Raskolnikov)
Maple 2 (Gemma, insomnia)
Montmorency 1 (Ladd)
Dolby 1 (Maple)
Ladd 2 (Theknightsofneeee, Montmorency)
whatthistextdo
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 01:57
Despite that the vanity-voters and non-voters don't seem to want to move...
I am a Lover with Rask. Plz don't kill meh.
Maple
Please kill within my team solve.
ladd-Ender-CL-Jan/Wisdom/Gemma
Despite that the vanity-voters and non-voters don't seem to want to move...
I am a Lover with Rask. Plz don't kill meh.
Maple
Please kill within my team solve.
ladd-Ender-CL-Jan/Wisdom/Gemma
wait what
why did you vote and unvote him yesterday?
2nd to last post
Despite that the vanity-voters and non-voters don't seem to want to move...
I am a Lover with Rask. Plz don't kill meh.
Maple
Please kill within my team solve.
ladd-Ender-CL-Jan/Wisdom/Gemma
I think i actually want to kill rask evne more now LOL
im getting coldfeet b/c if rask is town with an extra vig shot its a giga problem, but im not sure how we wouldnt just be stuck going through this again tommorow unless he shoots a wolf tonight
DADV, so kinda seems like rask is flipping.
i actually have one more post if i need to switch votes, but i have no confidence in a cw rn.
don't love wisdom's re pop in, but im worried im tunneled.
ladd cf doesnt feel right
if rask flips W, maple, mont, both def town.
i wish people were more active, all the slots ive ?? on havent been around, so i dont know if its just recency/volume bias or not
D A D V
why did you even vote him yesterday then lmao help
Montmorency
08-11-2024, 01:59
Actually, I'm a Lover.
lol
vote: Raskolnikov
i have my reasons lol siw
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 02:00
there was some interaction with wisdom/syn that I thought was clearing for wisdom but I completely don't remember what it is atm
other than that I think wisdom is = rand
didistetter
08-11-2024, 02:00
it's not a bad thing because we can analyze wagons
Despite that the vanity-voters and non-voters don't seem to want to move...
I am a Lover with Rask. Plz don't kill meh.
Maple
Please kill within my team solve.
ladd-Ender-CL-Jan/Wisdom/Gemma
sorry if this was true
wisdom is on my radar
idk that I believe wisdom is a wolf here
I think she always gets sussed though
ColonelLubriderm
08-11-2024, 02:00
i think i have 1 left;
if rask is a villa; dont sleep on the dya wolf world;
i think the only person who could pull this off is them
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 6 (EnderWiggin, dyachei, Wisdom, grr, nebjiamn, Didistetter)
Wisdom 2 (ColonelLubriderm, Dolby)
dyachei 2 (Vanta Black, Raskolnikov)
Maple 2 (Gemma, insomnia)
Montmorency 1 (Ladd)
Dolby 1 (Maple)
Ladd 2 (Theknightsofneeee, Montmorency)
whatthistextdo
they're really gonna make me vote for joe biden?
theknightsofneeee
08-11-2024, 02:01
Despite that the vanity-voters and non-voters don't seem to want to move...
I am a Lover with Rask. Plz don't kill meh.
Maple
Please kill within my team solve.
ladd-Ender-CL-Jan/Wisdom/Gemma
lmao
i think i have 1 left;
if rask is a villa; dont sleep on the dya wolf world;
i think the only person who could pull this off is them
what in the actual fuck? you actually believe that I would do this as a wolf? when I clearly crumbed it before him, made it clear it was my kill today before he did and didn't realize he had claimed when I claimed?
bop wtf man
Players Votes
Raskolnikov 7 (EnderWiggin, dyachei, Wisdom, grr, nebjiamn, Didistetter, Arctic)
Wisdom 2 (ColonelLubriderm, Dolby)
Ladd 2 (Theknightsofneeee, Montmorency)
dyachei 2 (Vanta Black, Raskolnikov)
Maple 2 (Gemma, insomnia)
Montmorency 1 (Ladd)
Dolby 1 (Maple)
whatthistextdo
10 mins or so for corrections
Raskolnikov was killed.
They were:
The Devil
https://i.imgur.com/9SxyvXn.jpeg
They were neutral!
24 hours for night., Night orders due 7pm, so 22 hours for night orders.
whatthistextdo
Obviously do NOT post at night, thanks.
Post counts for calcs tomorrow:
https://i.imgur.com/RcRfaVO.png
N2 Results:
ColonelLubriderm was killed.
They were:
The Hermit
https://i.imgur.com/Fgm5L0D.jpeg
They were village!
-----
Arctic was killed.
They were:
Death
https://i.imgur.com/eNGnU6X.jpeg
They were village!
-----
Didistetter was killed.
They were:
The Hanged Man
https://i.imgur.com/cjs0VGM.jpeg
They were village!
-----
48 hours for day.
whatthistextdo
Don't post till 9pm EDT.
Those are a lot of kills.
And I don't think any of them should be made by a village. (unless maple hit a visitor)
insomnia
08-12-2024, 02:01
let me guess
nobody is gonna claim a "card"
I was wrong . My role can be inverted and it is funny and silly.
Will talk about it later.
d1: (i missed all ladd votes d1 cause they didnt have the space after the colon just fyi, should be fixed)
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JanRaskolnikov#1115 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857948&viewfull=1#post2053857948)
MontMorencyRaskolnikov#1170 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858003&viewfull=1#post2053858003)
GemmaSyn#1173 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858006&viewfull=1#post2053858006)
dyacheisheepsaysmeep#1174 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858007&viewfull=1#post2053858007)
laddsheepsaysmeep#1177 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858010&viewfull=1#post2053858010)
insomniaSyn#1186 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858019&viewfull=1#post2053858019)
theknightsofneeeeSyn#1193 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858026&viewfull=1#post2053858026)
didistetterSyn#1195 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858028&viewfull=1#post2053858028)
MapleRaskolnikov#1196 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858029&viewfull=1#post2053858029)
ArcticSyn#1204 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858037&viewfull=1#post2053858037)
JanGemma#1206 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858039&viewfull=1#post2053858039)
MapleSyn#1207 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858040&viewfull=1#post2053858040)
d2:
VoterVoted forPost
didistetterMaple#1246 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858082&viewfull=1#post2053858082)
nebjiamnEnderwiggin#1272 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858108&viewfull=1#post2053858108)
theknightsofneeeeJan#1278 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858114&viewfull=1#post2053858114)
WisdomVanta_Black#1364 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858200&viewfull=1#post2053858200)
laddMaple#1378 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858214&viewfull=1#post2053858214)
insomnianebjiamn#1467 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858304&viewfull=1#post2053858304)
Gemmanebjiamn#1471 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858308&viewfull=1#post2053858308)
Wisdomnebjiamn#1473 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858310&viewfull=1#post2053858310)
EnderWigginRaskolnikov#1488 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858325&viewfull=1#post2053858325)
DolbyMaple#1506 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858343&viewfull=1#post2053858343)
grrSunbae#1514 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858351&viewfull=1#post2053858351)
didistetterDolby#1522 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858359&viewfull=1#post2053858359)
ColonelLubridermDolby#1559 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858396&viewfull=1#post2053858396)
WisdomGemma#1581 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858418&viewfull=1#post2053858418)
didistetterWisdom#1586 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858423&viewfull=1#post2053858423)
Raskolnikovtheknightsofneeee#1645 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858482&viewfull=1#post2053858482)
grrUnvote#1653 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858490&viewfull=1#post2053858490)
didistetterMaple#1697 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858534&viewfull=1#post2053858534)
didistetterEnderWiggin#1742 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858579&viewfull=1#post2053858579)
DolbyEnderWiggin#1746 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858583&viewfull=1#post2053858583)
ColonelLubriderm EnderWiggin#1753 https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858590&viewfull=1#post2053858590
GemmaMaple#1817 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858655&viewfull=1#post2053858655)
RaskolnikovMaple#1857 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858695&viewfull=1#post2053858695)
nebjiamnRaskolnikov#1873 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858711&viewfull=1#post2053858711)
MapleDolby#1892 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858730&viewfull=1#post2053858730)
didistetterUnvote#1900 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858738&viewfull=1#post2053858738)
laddnebjiamn#1920 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858758&viewfull=1#post2053858758)
dyacheiladd#1929 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858767&viewfull=1#post2053858767)
laddMontmorency#1932 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858770&viewfull=1#post2053858770)
insomnialadd#1945 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858783&viewfull=1#post2053858783)
insomniaMaple#1964 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858802&viewfull=1#post2053858802)
nebjiamnMaple#1981 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858819&viewfull=1#post2053858819)
DolbyWisdom#1991 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858829&viewfull=1#post2053858829)
Montmorencyladd#2003 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858841&viewfull=1#post2053858841)
dyacheiRaskolnikov#2028 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858866&viewfull=1#post2053858866)
DolbyRaskolnikov#2032 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858870&viewfull=1#post2053858870)
didistetterRaskolnikov#2059 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858897&viewfull=1#post2053858897)
Vanta_Blackdyachei#2063 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858901&viewfull=1#post2053858901)
Raskolnikovdyachei#2075 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858913&viewfull=1#post2053858913)
WisdomRaskolnikov#2095 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858933&viewfull=1#post2053858933)
didistetterUnvote#2098 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858936&viewfull=1#post2053858936)
ColonelLubridermWisdom#2109 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858947&viewfull=1#post2053858947)
didistetterSleep#2115 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858953&viewfull=1#post2053858953)
grrRaskolnikov#2121 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858959&viewfull=1#post2053858959)
nebjiamnRaskolnikov#2127 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858965&viewfull=1#post2053858965)
didistetterRaskolnikov#2133 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858971&viewfull=1#post2053858971)
ColonelLubridermRaskolnikov#2141 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858979&viewfull=1#post2053858979)
ColonelLubridermWisdom#2143 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858981&viewfull=1#post2053858981)
DolbyWisdom#2144 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858982&viewfull=1#post2053858982)
MontMorencyWisdom#2147 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053858985&viewfull=1#post2053858985)
theknightsofneeeeladd#2164 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859002&viewfull=1#post2053859002)
MontMorencyladd#2176 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859014&viewfull=1#post2053859014)
ArcticRaskolnikov#2215 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053859053&viewfull=1#post2053859053)
(if everyone can search if their own vote is on would probs easiest check to see if there are errors)
I was wrong . My role can be inverted and it is funny and silly.
Will talk about it later.
lol
well, im still here i guess.
anyone wanna talk about monte's lover claim last minute that didnt happen? because I suspect hes also 3p or something
1
tbh I still want to kill Wisdom Ender and Maple
I did no work overnight beyond a crackpot idea that Rask and Monty are on a neut team together and that's what prompted Monty's claim but I'm here for wolves, not neuts
I dont understand these deaths at all (feels p. bad tho tbh) and I'll check out soon cuz middle of the night etc.
tbh I still want to kill Wisdom Ender and Maple
I did no work overnight beyond a crackpot idea that Rask and Monty are on a neut team together and that's what prompted Monty's claim but I'm here for wolves, not neuts
neut/wolf hoods are silly and fun.
tbh I still want to kill Wisdom Ender and Maple
I did no work overnight beyond a crackpot idea that Rask and Monty are on a neut team together and that's what prompted Monty's claim but I'm here for wolves, not neuts
something something deez
well, im still here i guess.
anyone wanna talk about monte's lover claim last minute that didnt happen? because I suspect hes also 3p or something
1
I did target you just in case you are odd night vig.
nebjiamn
08-12-2024, 02:06
Vote: maple
so much for feedback at EOD lol
insomnia
08-12-2024, 02:07
let me guess
nobody is gonna claim a "card"
let me guess
maple is responsible for a part of tonight's massacre
Vote: maple
so much for feedback at EOD lol
you know mont better than i do. thoughts on his eod?
well, im still here i guess.
anyone wanna talk about monte's lover claim last minute that didnt happen? because I suspect hes also 3p or something
1
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kpRGNxqv6Wk/maxresdefault.jpg
nebjiamn
08-12-2024, 02:09
you know mont better than i do. thoughts on his eod?
idrk mont, but i have him in my lean town but unsure pile. that stunt was just... empty and absurd but on level 1 i feel like he'd just not make that post as wolf?
insomnia
08-12-2024, 02:10
we might need to kill montmorency if there's even a chance that the 3ps have a factional of their own
i really don't get where the numbers are showing if they don't have something like that
as it is, wolf vig of sorts, wolf factional and 3p factional / vig makes sense
Ah fuck it. I can't be asked to wait.
I was jailkeeper and am now jailkeeper.
which is just very funny.
n1 protected stett (I expected Newcomb would only be targeted if wolves have strongman and stett was the dodgekill)
good chance that I actually got a protection on stett if we look at 3 kills tonight.
n2 protected dya in case they were bluffing about part of their role and are odd night vig).
this does tell us that dya did not do any of the kills inc ase anyone was paranoid for some reason.
grr thank you for the vote history
would you mind spoilering it next time?
I don’t know Mont THAT well but I do think he ain’t wolfing. I could see his behavior towards Rask (yes including voting and inviting him d1) as teammed. At the same time I think that isn’t something he does at eod if he’s a wolf. I think he probably is be town trying to gain reactions when, frankly, he waited until Rask basically couldn’t be saved to claim it
nebjiamn
08-12-2024, 02:13
we might need to kill montmorency if there's even a chance that the 3ps have a factional of their own
i really don't get where the numbers are showing if they don't have something like that
as it is, wolf vig of sorts, wolf factional and 3p factional / vig makes sense
numbers wise i'm highly highly skeptical there would be another 3p. it made sense for there to be one at 22players since the additional player vs a normal 21er being 16/5
a 2 neut team with a factional would be kinda nuts unless theres only 4 wolves (but even then it still feels hard to balance aroudn that)
insomnia
08-12-2024, 02:16
to be honest idek why montmorency would out at a point where rask was ensured to die if he can still carry a factional
i really love closed setups
would only make sense if their wincon was to both win and they were pretty much done anyway so the best they can attempt is to save rask by outing and they try to weasel out somehow, but this sounds like tinfoil territory
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