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Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 00:16
nvm, I was expecting some activity based read/shade/shitpost from Sunbae smh (and u seemed potentially encouraging it lol) so it's kinda moot since it seems serious. I am actually curious about Sunbae's read on Ender now.

sorry Benneh, I took your words literrally. Won't do it again. honnest

Maple
08-07-2024, 00:17
I'm tilted

Maple
08-07-2024, 00:19
I'm downgrading from "I'm just going to kill the slot" to "that was a weird post"

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 00:20
sorry Benneh, I took your words literrally. Won't do it again. honnest

i mean, i was actively encouraging him to go on...



sick lost mafia goon soft, ty [ glow] tags

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 00:23
I want to yeet outside of:

1. dyachei
2. Arctic
3. Didistetter
5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae
7. Raskolnikov
9. Jan
15. Syn
17. Newcomb
18. Maple
21. C0balt

maybe ladd too

if you ask me for raisins and want more than "i feel it in my berrens" then dont ask

Arctic
08-07-2024, 00:27
can u expand on the IH read. he seems like, an ~easy town find here tbh

is he?

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 00:28
is he?

ya.

grr
08-07-2024, 00:29
It might just be a me thing, but I find it easier to hide in the absurdity that is stream-of-consciousness posting. You can use a lot of words to say very little and actually seem like you're putting in effort. More or less the basis of my wolf game.

In that way, I always react poorly to meandering posts.

ok i just kinda agreed with this


Therefore...






Therefor I asked insomnia why he TRed him lol.
So if you just post a one word reply you cant expect to be understood correctly but I figured you wanted to know what my conclusion was. That was it. I found Arctics posting NAI, so I was worried about people townreading it.




The implied question was "why are you posting this?"

What does that have to do with insomnia? And who's "him" in this context? Arctic? Sunbae? And for that matter, *when did you even do that*?

From what I can tell, and I *have* reread your posts again, this seems to be in response to Jan's list. Is that incorrect?

It has to do with insomnia because insomnia posted




that arctic post is so convoluted that he probably lack claired himself next to stett

seems like the game should solve itself shortly

as a read on Arctics post. I probably didn't make that clear enough and just referred to what I was thinking at the time. I found that specific read as reaction to Arctics post unwarranted.



The implied question was "why are you posting this?"

What does that have to do with insomnia? And who's "him" in this context? Arctic? Sunbae? And for that matter, *when did you even do that*?

From what I can tell, and I *have* reread your posts again, this seems to be in response to Jan's list. Is that incorrect?

The thing with Jan was a different train of thought? had nothing to do with arctic. I have no read on Arctic rn he needs to post more lol, as I said I found it NAI. if you implicitly wanted me to make the conclusion I suggested with regards to Jan no I just didn't and I don't. I think Arctics post were genuinely NAI and not the kind of NAI where they were probably a wolf for being so NAI, they havent done enough yet.

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 00:29
whats IH short for?

grr
08-07-2024, 00:30
is he?

yea

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 00:31
whats IH short for?

im heepy

the h is silent

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 00:32
im heepy

the h is silent

im confused and i'm going to go back to my shack on a cliff that overlooks the ocean

and play rocket league

grr
08-07-2024, 00:33
im confused and i'm going to go back to my shack on a cliff that overlooks the ocean

and play rocket league

IH is just me, simple.

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 00:34
InstantHammer from MU
Sunbae: words on Ender pretty pls :p

Maple
08-07-2024, 00:40
To further clarify.


wolves are usually the people you have no read on. like. they kinda sound nice and you wanna give them a townlean becuz it feels like you should but something is missing that makes you really convinced.

This was the only post I was asking about. I was not asking about your arctic-insom stuff, I am taking your word that arctic's posts being meandering is nai.


you were asking about the other post too, it was just a random smartass comment whats ur point about it. i said something that meant nothing to you or maybe to anyone.

You went on to say that it was a random smartass comment.

"wolves are usually the people you have no read on. like. they kinda sound nice and you wanna give them a townlean becuz it feels like you should but something is missing that makes you really convinced."

So what I was pointing out is that you posted this *after* Jan posted a reads list with a tier of

"people I should have a read on but I simply don't"

To reiterate, this is the *only* post I'm analyzing.

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 00:41
I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect <thing> out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see <thing> they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days

and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?

i'm really not expecting anything in particular from dya especially since their first post was about lowering expectations

that being said I find it hard to give a ton of credit to the bulk of their work when so much of it seems to come from a pov of like, preemptive defensiveness.

"Obvious" is a pretty strong word so I guess, say more? What's obvious about it? Any particular post you'd point to as a "a wolf could never do X" thing or a "clear example of no TMI mindset" or w/e?

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 00:43
The interesting part is that maple has called me a wolf in the last 3 v/v games we played and or something and at some point doing literally 0 course correction starts feeling in bad faith. Like normally you'd think a person would go like "ok i misread that person every game maybe ill just kinda not try this time" but this guy really keeps doing it forever it seems.

idk maybe you just have a wolfy face?

dyachei
08-07-2024, 00:48
i'm really not expecting anything in particular from dya especially since their first post was about lowering expectations

that being said I find it hard to give a ton of credit to the bulk of their work when so much of it seems to come from a pov of like, preemptive defensiveness.

"Obvious" is a pretty strong word so I guess, say more? What's obvious about it? Any particular post you'd point to as a "a wolf could never do X" thing or a "clear example of no TMI mindset" or w/e?
There has been like no defensiveness in my actual reads. I'm just tired of always being wolfread on this site for things that are not actually wolfy

The reads the self are clean of it though

grr
08-07-2024, 00:48
To further clarify.



This was the only post I was asking about. I was not asking about your arctic-insom stuff, I am taking your word that arctic's posts being meandering is nai.



You went on to say that it was a random smartass comment.

"wolves are usually the people you have no read on. like. they kinda sound nice and you wanna give them a townlean becuz it feels like you should but something is missing that makes you really convinced."

So what I was pointing out is that you posted this *after* Jan posted a reads list with a tier of

"people I should have a read on but I simply don't"

To reiterate, this is the *only* post I'm analyzing.

He said "I don't have a good wolfread right now". I just said the first thing that came to mind, it had nothing to do with his readslist was just a response to him saying he had no good wolfreads. I wasnt aiming at anything specific or that specific category of his readslist or i would have directly adressed it (probably).

grr
08-07-2024, 00:48
idk maybe you just have a wolfy face?

lmao

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 00:49
I want to yeet outside of:

1. dyachei- i don't get strong villa vibes but at the same time i don't get any wolf vibes. However, at least one(maybe several) person i think is a villa (sunbaebae) seems confident so that feels good enough for me and i can re-evaluate later if neccessary
2. Arctic- the treatise they wrote about insomnia when they could have instead just said "villagy but i disagree with their takes" makes me like them slightly. What makes me like them slightly more is that I had the same thought, but in seven words instead of 700
3. Didistetter- inno child
5. nebjiamn- could be anything but i cant kill someone on day 1 when all i do is sing there name in bob marley songs. "nebjammin...and i hope you like nebjammin too....."
6. Sunbae- I think despite him trying to just shitpost he still comes with several original thoughts on the game that make me think hes likely a villa
7. Raskolnikov- i dont remember what he wrote but i just thought that this guy fucks so i dont want to kill him. now that i think about it i might be conflating him with that guy in mu champs years ago that called everyone babydik and died for fake peeking a wolf correctly.
9. Jan- even if i thought jan was a wolf i'd kill all his wolfbros first because he's that charming.
15. Syn - that list he came out with vibes so much against what i would think as consensus that i think it comes mostly from villagers
17. Newcomb - i like the post where he pointed out the above about syn, though i secretly tinfoil/hope that syn is a wolf and newcomb is a powerwolfing prodigy
18. Maple- chortle factor
21. C0balt- i liked they pointed out something i didnt like, i think it was sheeps read on stett,

maybe ladd too

if you ask me for raisins and want more than "i feel it in my berrens" then dont ask

since my ipad is charging i decided to flesh out raisins for the above. once its charged im going to take a bunch of edibles and read litrpgs on my royal road app until i pass out.


ama

Arctic
08-07-2024, 00:50
btw im genuinely just super happy to be here and it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, becuz its like all of the players who I never get to play with on MU and I love playing with them all I have them all of here in one spot. only DoctorZeus kinda missing then it'd be perfect.

ur such a cutie patootie

grr
08-07-2024, 00:52
I think I have a relatively decent self-assessment and yeah I tend to get drive-by wolfreads from people who don't know me a lot, because my village game apparently resembles some form of wolfgame that I don't have but people speculate I have, but I somewhat expect people who have a streak of exactly not-nailing it to maybe have some hesitation and let other people read a slot and not try their best at it for the umpteenth time in a row. At least that's how I do it.

Syn
08-07-2024, 00:54
Wisdom: re Syn. It's just he seems more prone to directly attack people here (ColonelLub, Jan) in his very special way (look the last one lol "looks at my poe

looks at this post

looks at my poe

looks at this post

surely it cannot be ") here, which I associate with his town game.

I feel it's different from last game where he was a woof (it's not impossible he tasked himself with changing his meta but I vibebe with it aorn).

Ladd posted something I missed though ("everyone currently passing the vibe check I think we should vote sleep

not to be confused with sheep") which is a bit odd like. would be very sadge if Syn is wolfing with sheep but lol. Just something to keep in mind for when one of them flips.

Gonna read the knightofneee (I didn't vibe with you TRing Benneh out of vibes pal :curtain:)

m e t a

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 00:55
ColonelLubriderm: lmao, y I rock. (though no, it's not me, back to the drawing board friendo)

Syn
08-07-2024, 00:56
Fwiw you're still wrong about me and I think my interactions with Ladd (I didn't really interact with you that instance) was fine.

would you ever say that your interactions with someone weren't fine

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 00:56
ColonelLubriderm: lmao, y I rock. (though no, it's not me, back to the drawing board friendo)

im just gonna pretend its you anyway

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 00:57
be honest, how many of you actually understand what grr and manti are talking about

I can usually hang in there and parse with the best of them but over the last page I had to raise the white flag

probably just gonna slap a nice not w/w label on them and move on

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 00:59
He said "I don't have a good wolfread right now". I just said the first thing that came to mind, it had nothing to do with his readslist was just a response to him saying he had no good wolfreads. I wasnt aiming at anything specific or that specific category of his readslist or i would have directly adressed it (probably).


yet


Tiers of citizens(not sorted within)
Tier 1
Didistetter
Newcomb
Wisdom

Tier 2
Syn
insomnia
Arctic

Tier 3
EnderWiggin
Ladd
grr

Slums
Raskolnikov
C0balt

people I should have a read on but I simply don't
dyachei
Sunbae

people I should not have a read on and I don't
Vanta Black
nebjiamn
Gemma
ColonelLubriderm
Maple
Montmorency
Theknightsofneeee
sheepsaysmeep

I don't have a good wolfread right now. But I feel good about ~half of the game!
That is close to a winning poe, maybe!


wolves are usually the people you have no read on. like. they kinda sound nice and you wanna give them a townlean becuz it feels like you should but something is missing that makes you really convinced.

don't wanna be obtuse or anything, but I am starting to feel like a minette pâtissière too lol. gonna sleep on it prolly

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 01:01
m e t a

Are you trying to convince me you are a wolf? (I can use fancy font too :stare:)

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 01:01
be honest, how many of you actually understand what grr and manti are talking about

I can usually hang in there and parse with the best of them but over the last page I had to raise the white flag

probably just gonna slap a nice not w/w label on them and move on

idt even they realized what they were talking about until like 30 posts ago

Syn
08-07-2024, 01:01
If sunbae is attempting to pocket me it's working

Like it just about explains how people treat me in games every time

can I pocket you also

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:03
would you ever say that your interactions with someone weren't fine

Yes and I have before.

But they were talking about and explaining a read I had civilly and without snark. That's the best you can expect from me

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 01:04
yet





don't wanna be obtuse or anything, but I am starting to feel like a minette pâtissière too lol. gonna sleep on it prolly

well actually no need. I have decided it's not AI (like IH could very well react to Jan's wording sponging IAWY), specially since it had no follow up toward dya/Sunbae. maybe, y

Syn
08-07-2024, 01:04
since my ipad is charging i decided to flesh out raisins for the above. once its charged im going to take a bunch of edibles and read litrpgs on my royal road app until i pass out.


ama

if consensus has been unveiled through the art of wall posts it's probably because I didn't read a single one of them

the concept of consensus on d1 is butt toots regardless

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 01:05
if consensus has been unveiled through the art of wall posts it's probably because I didn't read a single one of them

the concept of consensus on d1 is butt toots regardless

im going to be saying "the butt toots regardless" all week

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 01:05
Quote Originally Posted by ColonelLubriderm View Post
I want to yeet outside of:

1. dyachei- i don't get strong villa vibes but at the same time i don't get any wolf vibes. However, at least one(maybe several) person i think is a villa (sunbaebae) seems confident so that feels good enough for me and i can re-evaluate later if neccessary
2. Arctic- the treatise they wrote about insomnia when they could have instead just said "villagy but i disagree with their takes" makes me like them slightly. What makes me like them slightly more is that I had the same thought, but in seven words instead of 700
3. Didistetter- inno child
5. nebjiamn- could be anything but i cant kill someone on day 1 when all i do is sing there name in bob marley songs. "nebjammin...and i hope you like nebjammin too....."
6. Sunbae- I think despite him trying to just shitpost he still comes with several original thoughts on the game that make me think hes likely a villa
7. Raskolnikov- i dont remember what he wrote but i just thought that this guy fucks so i dont want to kill him. now that i think about it i might be conflating him with that guy in mu champs years ago that called everyone babydik and died for fake peeking a wolf correctly.
9. Jan- even if i thought jan was a wolf i'd kill all his wolfbros first because he's that charming.
15. Syn - that list he came out with vibes so much against what i would think as consensus that i think it comes mostly from villagers
17. Newcomb - i like the post where he pointed out the above about syn, though i secretly tinfoil/hope that syn is a wolf and newcomb is a powerwolfing prodigy
18. Maple- chortle factor
21. C0balt- i liked they pointed out something i didnt like, i think it was sheeps read on stett,

maybe ladd too

if you ask me for raisins and want more than "i feel it in my berrens" then dont ask

holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment

I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.

I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick

I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?

Syn
08-07-2024, 01:06
Are you trying to convince me you are a wolf? (I can use fancy font too :stare:)

can I be a wolf please please please please please please please please

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:07
Tbh Newcomb I haven't had any idea of what they were talking about from the very beginning

grr
08-07-2024, 01:07
yet





don't wanna be obtuse or anything, but I am starting to feel like a minette pâtissière too lol. gonna sleep on it prolly

becuz ur trying to see a connection where is none. I can see how you would potentially do but i just didnt so you're free to connect that observation to the specifics in jans reads list it just didnt happen in my head lol. i am townreading dya. i was town leaning sunbae.i dont really care about jans readslist i didnt think about it.

Syn
08-07-2024, 01:08
Yes and I have before.

But they were talking about and explaining a read I had civilly and without snark. That's the best you can expect from me

well that's just silly

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 01:11
who are IH and IAWY in this game?

there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:11
Anyway

I'm pleased to inform yall that I have no village reads.

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:12
who are IH and IAWY in this game?

there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts

Ih is grr

Idk if iawy is in?

grr
08-07-2024, 01:12
is it just me or does the website automatically removing nested quotes make it an infinite amount harder to refer to what you are actually talking about. i feel like you quote something and the original context immediately gets stripped off from the quote, it's bothering me lol.

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:14
Dya still wolfy. The way she interacted with me and Ladd was super weird, and she hasn’t done basically anything solving wise, and her tone is pretty lifeless. 10/10 would kill.

Gonna wait and see on raskol, seems like they’re a well known player here, and we’ve never played together so I’m not gonna jump the gun on my read there. Think their read of me is silly but whatever. I get that Benneh is a strong player and people have the #fear.

Grr had a villagery post earlier (I think Ladd quoted it? I just remember he called me village and I liked the reasoning)

Ladd keeps pointing out posts I think are villagers so maybe I’m wrong there idk.

Jan feels wolfy to me. Vibes/tone/not having a read on me is weird, he almost always interacts with me/thinks I’m an easy read when he is a villager, seems off.

well he did say he thinks he should have a read on you but doesn't, i'm surprised you aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt for recognizing that lol. if he's a wolf and knows he should have a read on you couldn't he just make something up. maybe it's more genuine that he hasn't

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 01:15
holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment

I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.

I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick

I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?

me saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange.

as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:15
holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment

I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.

I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick

I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?

I'm operating that all wolves are as washed as I am.

This game should be easy.

grr
08-07-2024, 01:15
I mean its fine, if me being weird is the best mispush wolves can come up with they're really gonna struggle tomorrow. I'd just rather be actually pushed than merely be shaded.

grr
08-07-2024, 01:16
gn for real it got way too late.

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:17
well he did say he thinks he should have a read on you but doesn't, i'm surprised you aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt for recognizing that lol. if he's a wolf and knows he should have a read on you couldn't he just make something up. maybe it's more genuine that he hasn't

Jan makes those sorts of comments regularly. Keeping track of when he feels he should reads on people and when he shouldn't.

Or maybe he just talks about me in that way usually, who knows.

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 01:17
who are IH and IAWY in this game?

there's enough alts in this game that I need a freaking decoder ring for some of these posts

IH is InstantHammer on MU and Grrr here. InAWordYes is a player who does that kind of case a lot ("I don't remember any of this slot reads so he might be just a wolf"), and it's particular enough that I thought Grrr was getting that idea from him. (won't start a debate if it's a good read or not lol).

Anyway, I think I am buying what Grrr is saying about it (see his last post), so I am moving on myself (till Maple comes back to it :curtain:)

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 01:17
me saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange.

as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask

also i can just be wrong

just ask baudib in anniversary when he told me i should just go back to retirement next time i think about playing in dvc

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:18
I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect <thing> out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see <thing> they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days

and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?

what posts make them seem like an obvious villager then

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 01:18
is it just me or does the website automatically removing nested quotes make it an infinite amount harder to refer to what you are actually talking about. i feel like you quote something and the original context immediately gets stripped off from the quote, it's bothering me lol.

yeah, u get only the last quote, no encapsulation (unlike MU)

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:19
IH is InstantHammer on MU and Grrr here. InAWordYes is a player who does that kind of case a lot ("I don't remember any of this slot reads so he might be just a wolf"), and it's particular enough that I thought Grrr was getting that idea from him. (won't start a debate if it's a good read or not lol).

Anyway, I think I am buying what Grrr is saying about it (see his last post), so I am moving on myself (till Maple comes back to it :curtain:)

I'm dropping it until 15 minutes before EoD, as is tradition

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 01:19
Romanaskolnikov

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 01:20
me saying someone is likely a villager does not mean that someone is out of their wolfrange.

as for arctic, as i said in that original post, if you want more than "because my gut fells so" then dont ask

https://media.tenor.com/Z6uHH2k0_vEAAAAe/understandable-have-nice-day.png

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 01:20
i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:22
fwiw im pretty sure maple is a villager too? this is the type of latch on i always find v towny

i strongly disagree
i think he is making a big deal over something that amounts to basically nothing
IH also made a decent point that he constantly misreads him but hasn't tried to course correct here, and also saw his wolfgame where he got outted immediately and doesn't seem to factor that in at all

on the whole i also just think maple's focus has been not good. i think it's easy for a wolf to focus on real time and point out logical inconsistencies but i don't really feel like maple is trying to solve the game or forming a worldview, just kinda nitpicking at random stuff (they were doing this earlier about something else and complaining about the wallposts)

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:24
I'm downgrading from "I'm just going to kill the slot" to "that was a weird post"

this is an improvement at least

Gemma
08-07-2024, 01:26
translation: they have a "im too cool for this" attitude

thats the last way i expected anyone to describe me lmao

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 01:29
i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something

GH/knights were both wolves in anni; i originally thought the post where he said "if this is GH then he's >rand a wolf because he had a similar opening in anniversary. I thought it was worded differently more like "GH had a wolfy opening in anni" and if that was the case i was going to call bullshit on that read but turns out thats not the case.

I think there might be something to him being a wolf with GH and trying to use that here as a villa that doesnt quite jive but i can't really articulate why I don't like it so im not gonna push it more, for now, in italics.

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:32
bop probably villagin'

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:33
Wish I was a wolf so I could make "dabbing on the retirement home" comments in post

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:34
main things that stood out to me on catchup

- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights

- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation

- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing

- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol

- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here

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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug

someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 01:35
i strongly disagree
i think he is making a big deal over something that amounts to basically nothing
IH also made a decent point that he constantly misreads him but hasn't tried to course correct here, and also saw his wolfgame where he got outted immediately and doesn't seem to factor that in at all

on the whole i also just think maple's focus has been not good. i think it's easy for a wolf to focus on real time and point out logical inconsistencies but i don't really feel like maple is trying to solve the game or forming a worldview, just kinda nitpicking at random stuff (they were doing this earlier about something else and complaining about the wallposts)

I'd agree with this; not the first bit - I think there's plenty of reasons for villagers to keep beating their heads against the wall even after misreading people. Villager doesn't mean rational or logical, it just means uninformed.

Pointing out logical inconsistencies is where I start to nod my head. Like yeah I can skim over manti's posts over the last few pages and rationally kinda get what he's getting at or picking at, even can picture v!manti getting hung up on it. But I do think there's kind of a performative aspect to it and it's kind of an easy route for a wolf to take.

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:36
main things that stood out to me on catchup

- dya's point about ladd being town for.. pushing knights as hard as he was seems a little fake to me esp cuz he wasn't even going that hard lol. if anything the read that he wouldn't be going "this hard" as a wolf feels more likely to come from TMI on knights being town and the knowledge that it'd be a bad look, esp considering dya doesn't seem to even townread knights

- benneh's read on IH being a free villa find also seemed kinda fishy given what IH had actually posted at the time, and i don't really buy his explanation in #345 either. IH has a particular style of posting and tends to polarize himself early on and wolves are pretty prone to TMI'ing him because he makes a lot of introspective/tonally towny posts that wolves think are more villagery than villagers (who don't know his alignment) do. and like, i think there's a chance that's what happened here from benneh cuz he just.. wasn't villagery at least at the time of those posts. and IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation

- that said i do think IH is town now (based on posts after this point, tbc) - mainly cuz i believe him being happy over this game (and he probably wouldn't be had he randed wolf in a super strong PL) and the explanation of sheeps/knight stuff. also unironically he probably would have just left the thread by now as wolf. he said he was gonna go a while ago but stayed which is towny by default but esp for people who don't like wolfing

- syn has now done some things differently to their last wolf game like posting a full read list and pushing on.. more than one person. but frankly this doesn't really seem like a great reason to townread someone because it's a pretty low bar, and i don't know if other non-alignment things were affecting last game's posting to cause a false-positive there and potentially a false-negative here. but still feels worth pointing out. the read list itself feels kind of insane. maybe too insane for a wolf. dunno. rask seems to agree and he caught syn last game, don't really have a read on rask rn either but how early the read came makes me feel like even if rask is a wolf it's more likely to be TMI on a villager rather than on a partner, so i'm fine sheeping it either way lol

- gemma is in a weird spot for me because somehow her posts feel more useless than the wolfgame she had where she at least attempted to make/explain reads to look towny. i'm not sure how to feel about this - did they just rand wolf again and don't give a fuck? or are they also just like this as town. will probably help if someone with more experience weighs in here

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eh, i vaguely don't think wolf!dya pushes on benneh regardless of benneh's alignment. also think the reasoning "expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae" seems quirky enough to be a town thought
not confident here but my understanding of the dynamic between those two is that they'd always just pocket each other as wolf at least from seeing turbos lol. not sure benneh has enough pressure here to justify wolf!dya losing the chance to establish a rapport with benneh. my earlier gripe still stands but i think this is probably more significant - i remember wrongly scumreadnig dya for making an early overly generous townread last game so shrug

someone reminded me about the manti 6 word thing and i'll cede that it felt villagery at the time, but i still want to see some kind of worldview from them

ben and i dont typically pocket each other as wolves. not really anyway. we typically slowly sus each other or solve with each other (when v/v more often)

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:37
i might have just convinced myself to go on a wolf tunnel on knights, one second, checking something


GH/knights were both wolves in anni; i originally thought the post where he said "if this is GH then he's >rand a wolf because he had a similar opening in anniversary. I thought it was worded differently more like "GH had a wolfy opening in anni" and if that was the case i was going to call bullshit on that read but turns out thats not the case.

I think there might be something to him being a wolf with GH and trying to use that here as a villa that doesnt quite jive but i can't really articulate why I don't like it so im not gonna push it more, for now, in italics.

kinda towny idk

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:37
I have bad news Arctic I wasted most of today's wim on a dumb misunderstanding. I haven't seen anything else I want to bite into yet.

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:38
I'd agree with this; not the first bit - I think there's plenty of reasons for villagers to keep beating their heads against the wall even after misreading people. Villager doesn't mean rational or logical, it just means uninformed.

Pointing out logical inconsistencies is where I start to nod my head. Like yeah I can skim over manti's posts over the last few pages and rationally kinda get what he's getting at or picking at, even can picture v!manti getting hung up on it. But I do think there's kind of a performative aspect to it and it's kind of an easy route for a wolf to take.

we agree it's an easy route but how likely do you think it is that is what's happening (versus him being town)

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 01:40
we agree it's an easy route but how likely do you think it is that is what's happening (versus him being town)

ehhhhh

gun to my head i'm still giving him the day for the first six words thing

manti is manti, he moves in strange orbits sometimes

but like many people, he tends to be clearer when he shoves his chips

so that's a problem for d3 maybe

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:41
I have bad news Arctic I wasted most of today's wim on a dumb misunderstanding. I haven't seen anything else I want to bite into yet.

do you have a read list
or any form of grouped towns/suspects

i can't really buy that you got too distracted by this that you haven't had anything cooking on the backburner (or at least starting to form), unless you're really saying that you just weren't reading other posts

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:42
I'm gonna be real, I have more PR reads than alignment reads.

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 01:45
hardclaim town narcoleptic firefighter

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 01:45
I'm gonna be real, I have more PR reads than alignment reads.

have I been that obvious

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:47
Because he isnt afraid of calling out someone actually, straight opening the game. Also Colonel uses a lot of words for raisins, dunno, might be playstule issue but its the opening I ve liked the least. We will see :p.

Vanta seemed stilted. Guess I will have a better read there once I see them casing someone. Rn they feel less confy itt.

Have a virtual mojito dya. Its excelleng


have I been that obvious

Yeah and when you flip healer at eod it's gonna be REALLY funny

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:47
Wait why did it multiquote that lol

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 01:48
>IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation

this is doing a lot of heavy lifting for your logic on the IH read given the post is less about his strategy and more about his inability to push on a player new to him like newcomb with any amount of sincerity. newcomb isn't katze (or insom or ladd) otherwise i probably wouldn't have made that read, but the dynamic there is and was decently out of his wolf range, particularly early d1 before any lines were drawn in the sand

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:49
ngl these are like my only townreads and there aren't enough to the point where i can feel good about posting a poe/wolf list so im just not gonna bother lol

grr
didistetter
insomnia
colonel
ladd
syn

also i looked at montmorency's post in the signup thread and it wasn't an explicit /in so he might not even know he's in the game. lol. lmao

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 01:50
I'm gonna be real, I have more PR reads than alignment reads.

https://forgifs.com/gallery/d/290687-2/Polar-bear-hunting-seal-soon.gif

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:51
ngl these are like my only townreads and there aren't enough to the point where i can feel good about posting a poe/wolf list so im just not gonna bother lol

grr
didistetter
insomnia
colonel
ladd
syn

also i looked at montmorency's post in the signup thread and it wasn't an explicit /in so he might not even know he's in the game. lol. lmao

i dont get how you're more confident on insomnia than Jan

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:52
>IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation

this is doing a lot of heavy lifting for your logic on the IH read given the post is less about his strategy and more about his inability to push on a player new to him like newcomb with any amount of sincerity. newcomb isn't katze (or insom or ladd) otherwise i probably wouldn't have made that read, but the dynamic there is and was decently out of his wolf range, particularly early d1 before any lines were drawn in the sand

ok i didnt realize that the strategy thing tied into pushing newcomb but i can kinda see it ig

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:53
https://forgifs.com/gallery/d/290687-2/Polar-bear-hunting-seal-soon.gif

I miss empoof

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:53
I miss empoof

im the vig and im shooting empoof

Arctic
08-07-2024, 01:53
i dont get how you're more confident on insomnia than Jan

honestly i think jan's posts have been fine but he mega fooled me in a mash one time and ngl thats like the only reason im not townreading him until i see something super convincing cuz he seems like an OP wolf lol

is there something specific thats towny from them

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:54
honestly i think jan's posts have been fine but he mega fooled me in a mash one time and ngl thats like the only reason im not townreading him until i see something super convincing cuz he seems like an OP wolf lol

is there something specific thats towny from them

he hasnt really been forcing reads imo and has been more on topic than he is as a wolf. Like most of his posts are game related!

insomnia
08-07-2024, 01:55
i dont get how you're more confident on insomnia than Jan

i feel like a simple "wat" wouldn't do justice to my actual reaction. so have a gif instead

26775

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:55
i feel like a simple "wat" wouldn't do justice to my actual reaction. so have a gif instead

26775

i dont really think you're villagery and I kind of find it wolfy that you wanted to change your playstyle to avoid being a wagon

insomnia
08-07-2024, 01:56
i dont really think you're villagery and I kind of find it wolfy that you wanted to change your playstyle to avoid being a wagon

i mean it's not really changing my playstyle. i just cranked the engines earlier / spoke more things that i normally don't put in the thread on d1

why would it be wolfier?

dyachei
08-07-2024, 01:57
i mean it's not really changing my playstyle. i just cranked the engines earlier / spoke more things that i normally don't put in the thread on d1

why would it be wolfier?

because you're actively trying to avoid being wagoned for playstyle. And like...I dont think this crowd would d1 you anyway.

insomnia
08-07-2024, 01:58
because you're actively trying to avoid being wagoned for playstyle. And like...I dont think this crowd would d1 you anyway.

this post is really odd lol

i feel like i've put out a ton of thought. singling me out for "changing my playstyle" and ignoring all the #legit thoughts looks pretty bad, regardless of your alignment

you have a read on my thoughts or not?

Maple
08-07-2024, 01:58
I can see insom really not wanting to die here. Tell me nothing about the game except either insomnia or knights went over d1 and I'd believe you.

I don't think he's actually done anything that puts him out of range, obviously, but you know how it is.

Gemma
08-07-2024, 02:00
TIME FOR SOME HIPFIRE TRASH READS

I usually wait with sharing reads until I vibe hard enough or have found anything AI but let's do an experiment and just throw out the first thing that comes to mind on every player. I expect this to be terrible accuracy but hey maybe something is worth pursuing.

EnderWiggin -> Yeah I think he's probably town, good vibes in thread, doesn't remind me of his wolf games and I'm quite sure I've seen a few of them.

ColonelLubriderm -> Stop not being GH, I literally can't find you until you stop not being GH because every time you post I feel like I have to focus on reminding myself that you're not GH. I noted you as non w/w with someone but I'm not gonna check who. (I like you outside of that, Bop, just stop not being GH please)

Newcomb -> Feels like he's everyone's comfort blanket this game. He's my comfort blanket at least. Probably town.

didistetter -> Opening bugged me, good vibes in rest of post, but far from the super-stett I know and love. Null.

Jan -> Obv town, we should mason

Gemma -> Hi you were in my last game here so I'm sorry I haven't paid any attention to you

nebjiamn -> Mjeh no you tunneled me last game for having you in my PoE until I you got me yeeted (Despite me being obv!town), it feels like you haven't done much AI yet tho, but you haven't really been in my solve zone yet. I got pinged by your town read on me but meh.

theknightsofneeee -> People talk about you, you talk back, you've sadly not been in my focus yet.

ladd -> Vibes like town ladd? Not sure how to describe it. His town read on me felt more real than Benneh's.

dyachei -> You had a post that I liked earlier but I can't recall what it was about. Feels a bit UTR right now.

sheepsaysmeep -> Shrug

Sunbae -> Cute traitor

C0balt -> Is either wolf or misyeet bait, don't really want to go there today.

grr -> Also a bit UTR but I'm not sure if that's just because my solve zone hasn't handled everyone yet.

Raskolnikov -> Probably town and drunk

Maple -> Does Maple ever post anything AI d1? I'm not sure I've seen it.

insomnia -> Probably the one I've played with the most here and I still can't read you.

Arctic -> Someone said you sounded like a robot. I opened your ISO, noped, and then did other stuff.

Syn -> I don't like that I sus you when you seem happy. But my meta burned me last game so I'll just trust Rask's clear on you for the moment. Maybe one day I'll see what he sees.

Vanta Black -> Can't recall what you posted, sorry about that!

Just a spoiler to out those who only read their own name and then jumped to the spoiler

my only objection to this post is that rask is my comfort blanket (also didi tbh since they called me a badger)

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:01
this post is really odd lol

i feel like i've put out a ton of thought. singling me out for "changing my playstyle" and ignoring all the #legit thoughts looks pretty bad, regardless of your alignment

you have a read on my thoughts or not?

no, i dont and not having reads on your thoughts doesn't make me a wolf

i still think it's really fucking weird to avoid being d1'd with this crowd specifically

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 02:06
dyachei

if lucifer had no supernatural elements to it, wouldnt it just be the tv show "the mentalist"

theknightsofneeee
08-07-2024, 02:07
I think I’m currently 45% chance to be lynched today.

Unfortunate.

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 02:08
I think I’m currently 45% chance to be lynched today.

Unfortunate.

id say 33%

still unfortunate

insomnia
08-07-2024, 02:08
I can see insom really not wanting to die here. Tell me nothing about the game except either insomnia or knights went over d1 and I'd believe you.

I don't think he's actually done anything that puts him out of range, obviously, but you know how it is.

you're probably right, but i think it's funny how people that haven't really played with me or witnessed a wolfgame of mine first hand always say this

damned if you do, damned if you don't. you try harder and anything you do can't be villagery, but everything you do can be wolfy. /shrug

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 02:09
I think I’m currently 45% chance to be lynched today.

Unfortunate.

towy

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 02:09
I think I’m currently 45% chance to be lynched today.

Unfortunate.

im relatively certain we're gona lunch one of montmorency or vanta with only a slight chance of the rest of the field if mont never ends up posting

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:11
dyachei

if lucifer had no supernatural elements to it, wouldnt it just be the tv show "the mentalist"

probably. but like better looking

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 02:12
im relatively certain we're gona lunch one of montmorency or vanta with only a slight chance of the rest of the field if mont never ends up posting

im thinking 33 knights, 56 field of ender,vanta,montmore,gemma,sheep , 10 spicy ladd/insomnia/me/you

C0balt
08-07-2024, 02:12
I am having a really really really bad day and I wanted to re-read but I went back to do that and had a visceral reaction where my brain is yelling no at me.

I will check in later. :/

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:12
im relatively certain we're gona lunch one of montmorency or vanta with only a slight chance of the rest of the field if mont never ends up posting

is hally in because if she is, she also hasnt posted

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 02:13
1% someone gets mad in wolfchat and copy pastes the entire wolfchat into thread

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 02:13
is hally in because if she is, she also hasnt posted

no, ladd took her place

insomnia
08-07-2024, 02:13
is hally in because if she is, she also hasnt posted

hally was replaced by ladd

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 02:14
i dont really think you're villagery and I kind of find it wolfy that you wanted to change your playstyle to avoid being a wagon

why would a villager not actively try to change their playstyle to avoid getting wagoned?

like why wouldn't anyone do that tbh

what's AI about it? or like what would be the wolf motivation for a) saying it, b) doing it, c) all of the above?

let's delve a little

ColonelLubriderm
08-07-2024, 02:15
1% someone gets mad in wolfchat and copy pastes the entire wolfchat into thread


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZERablcuXk

Maple
08-07-2024, 02:16
Nl playing a sick joke on me by giving me jester. How tf am I supposed to win if people keep giving me passes for being funny?

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 02:16
im relatively certain we're gona lunch one of montmorency or vanta with only a slight chance of the rest of the field if mont never ends up posting

I can see why you'd say that but those are near 0-info lunches, I think we can do better.

hell at this point i'd 10000% kill sheep over either of them purely because I guarantee with a sheep redflip or even probably with a greenflip I can go over d1 and generate something strong from everything people have said about him, and that's with me having literally zero forethought right now what it would be

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:17
why would a villager not actively try to change their playstyle to avoid getting wagoned?

like why wouldn't anyone do that tbh

what's AI about it? or like what would be the wolf motivation for a) saying it, b) doing it, c) all of the above?

let's delve a little

again, I can see it when it's a mash on MU because there are a lot of unknown elements and he gets pushed by randos for dumb shit all the time

This playerlist is not the same as a mash on MU. I would think he has a high chance of being v read here for his normal style with this particular player list (especially since there are people that know and read him well here). so it's wolfy because it might be explaining away a difference in playstyle for other reasons

theknightsofneeee
08-07-2024, 02:18
I really think I just work way better in 12/12 with no post cap

I feel like I’m stuck in quicksand this game, everything is in slow motion, I can’t post in real time, and it’s a strong player list so I don’t want to take it easy and chill like in a weaker game.

Super awkward.

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 02:19
I really think I just work way better in 12/12 with no post cap

I feel like I’m stuck in quicksand this game, everything is in slow motion, I can’t post in real time, and it’s a strong player list so I don’t want to take it easy and chill like in a weaker game.

Super awkward.

I genuinely believe u bro I take back all the scumping

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:20
I really think I just work way better in 12/12 with no post cap

I feel like I’m stuck in quicksand this game, everything is in slow motion, I can’t post in real time, and it’s a strong player list so I don’t want to take it easy and chill like in a weaker game.

Super awkward.

this is why we're different people. I just wanna chill and take it easy because a lot of these players are friend

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 02:22
again, I can see it when it's a mash on MU because there are a lot of unknown elements and he gets pushed by randos for dumb shit all the time

This playerlist is not the same as a mash on MU. I would think he has a high chance of being v read here for his normal style with this particular player list (especially since there are people that know and read him well here). so it's wolfy because it might be explaining away a difference in playstyle for other reasons

what other reasons?

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:23
what other reasons?

that's the majority of my reasoning newcomb

Maple
08-07-2024, 02:27
did i start doing that because i saw newcomb doing it, or did i end up there independently i genuinely cant remember

insomnia
08-07-2024, 02:28
Vote: dyachei

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:34
Vote: dyachei

k

i've been wolf read for stupider things. Like swearing too much. But this isnt much above it

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 02:39
0-1 wolves in dya/newcomb/insom/maple/neb

insomnia
08-07-2024, 02:43
ladd

can you explain your newcomb read?

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:45
V
Didistetter
ladd

V lean
Sunbae
rask
Jan
ColonelLubriderm
maple

Null
Arctic - he sucks at reading me I suck at reading him
Vanta Black
nebjiamn
Gemma but theres a part of me that wants to slot her in as town
grr
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
Newcomb
Montmorency
cobalt

w lean
EnderWiggin - this guy is always a wolf to me
knights
sheep

w


go crazy friendos

theknightsofneeee
08-07-2024, 02:46
Okay so I looked at dya’s ISO (some may be out of order because the iso’ing here is old school idk)

Prior to me calling out dya for not having reads she had given 3 reads, didistetter = v, Jan = v (which I disagreed with) and Ladd = v (also disagreed with at the time, maybe less so now)

So I think it was super fair for me to say you had been low content up to that point.

I do think you’ve done much more since and I align with most of dya’s reads atm except the Jan v read.

But I think the fact that you were so aghast at me wolf reading you feels a bit naïve/silly.

I do like how dya is pushing insomnia, I think that’s the most villagers thing she’s done by far, and she has been active/solved enough now that I can accept I was probably wrong and move on.
i think jan is just town. he's vibing this game, feels like

he also hasnt posted a bunch of gifs yet


yeah pretty sure stett just town. it's good because I like working with stett.

it's bad because these reads aren't really hot takes

v
Jan
Stett


I get that I'm not as verbose as others but I don't really feel like I'm on the periphery at all. Also I've been making reads and giving reasons but feels like people are just dismissing them because I don't really wall post


stett that's why i was bitching about it. i don't have any hot takes.

maybe it's a hot take I think ladd is v but its not a very strong take


I'm kind of worried about Ben because like his tone feels off. I also expected him to be more excited about playing a long game with sunbae


If sunbae is attempting to pocket me it's working

Like it just about explains how people treat me in games every time



(I was going to spoil the quotes but there isn’t an option on quick reply for a spoiler and I don’t want to lose this so sorry)

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 02:47
V
Didistetter
ladd

V lean
Sunbae
rask
Jan
ColonelLubriderm
maple

Null
Arctic - he sucks at reading me I suck at reading him
Vanta Black
nebjiamn
Gemma but theres a part of me that wants to slot her in as town
grr
insomnia
Wisdom
Syn
Newcomb
Montmorency
cobalt

w lean
EnderWiggin - this guy is always a wolf to me
knights
sheep

w


go crazy friendos

hmph, im sketchy on ladd, jan, and rask a bit so we should pow wow and see which of us is mistaken (it could easily be me!)

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 02:48
someone asked me what makes dya a villager read and its the fact that i read their posts and say "oh thats a villager"

sorry i cant be of more service

dyachei
08-07-2024, 02:48
hmph, im sketchy on ladd, jan, and rask a bit so we should pow wow and see which of us is mistaken (it could easily be me!)

i really feel confident on rask but maybe I shouldnt!

ladd i think focused on things with knights i dont think he'd care about as a wolf

Jan is a vibe read

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 02:52
also someone asked me why im sketch on ender and its because there were multiple posts of theirs that i thought "this is how i would post about insertgoodplayerthatrandedvillager here if i were a wolf against them".


"i was sus of insom but page 6 hits different i dont agree with the reads i kinda like the posts".


"I feel like Newcomb gets voted pretty easily when he hasn't ~done much. I helped vote em out last game we played when I was wolf and they were town on D1. (Though it was a wild EOD to be fair.)

Can you talk to me about why Newcomb is there in your sus list? (To be clear I very much think Newcomb has done nothing I'd consider reading them on yet.)

both of those made me hmph in the way where its like tiptoeing around someone

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 02:58
i really feel confident on rask but maybe I shouldnt!

ladd i think focused on things with knights i dont think he'd care about as a wolf

Jan is a vibe read

oh id love to feel confident about rask, what got you there?

dyachei
08-07-2024, 03:00
oh id love to feel confident about rask, what got you there?

idk, like his attitude this game really reminds me of the last org game. he's just freely solving or not as he feels like it

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 03:00
hmmm, think im starting to townread knights a bit too

dyachei
08-07-2024, 03:03
hmmm, think im starting to townread knights a bit too

why specifically?

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 03:04
also someone asked me why im sketch on ender and its because there were multiple posts of theirs that i thought "this is how i would post about insertgoodplayerthatrandedvillager here if i were a wolf against them".




both of those made me hmph in the way where its like tiptoeing around someone

yesssssssssssss, that page 6 post pinged me too

i was too lazy to do the math on what page 6 would be since i'm on 40 or 35 or 62 posts per page or whatever, but my estimate was he was sussing inso earlier for his like, ~4 intro posts that were pretty ~whatever?

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 03:06
why specifically?

cause im a sucker for visible frustration about it feeling like quicksand and describing why its feeling like a bit of a rut where you cant really post in real time but also not really wanting to just sit back

Gemma
08-07-2024, 03:08
Vote: Vanta

Gemma
08-07-2024, 03:09
Vanta Black

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 03:09
@ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/102868-theknightsofneeee)[URL="https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/102868-theknightsofneeee"]theknightsofneeee

dya uses they/them not she fwiw

agree about the read on them

dyachei
08-07-2024, 03:09
yesssssssssssss, that page 6 post pinged me too

i was too lazy to do the math on what page 6 would be since i'm on 40 or 35 or 62 posts per page or whatever, but my estimate was he was sussing inso earlier for his like, ~4 intro posts that were pretty ~whatever?

so this is what i was expecting more of

Gemma
08-07-2024, 03:12
idg why folk keep obsessing over plist / names we're all just people the game doesnt change

theknightsofneeee
08-07-2024, 03:14
Complicated.
Either the devil or the star.

I technically drew death, but didn't want to double up.
It was a mess and I might redo it later. Need to fake being busy for a little while.




Bold move to v read each other as partners right away.



Cobalt's pondering on Wisdom's insistence on Stett's opening makes me want to hurt cobalt, but I don't think that post comes from a wolf here. Maybe tickle him with a feather for a couple of hours.


@ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/102868-theknightsofneeee)[URL="https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/102868-theknightsofneeee"]theknightsofneeee

dya uses they/them not she fwiw

agree about the read on them

I thought they might but tbh I wasn’t sure and there isn’t a thing to remind you like on MU

Mb dya <3

ladd
08-07-2024, 03:15
ladd

can you explain your newcomb read?

They seem to be genuinely solving, thats really it


Skimmed mega hard last pages but i kinda liked some knights post, my insomnia and grrr v reads also a bit stronger

I prolly need to sit down when i wake up and raise the bar for being considered a villager already

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 03:17
Vote: Vanta

https://media3.giphy.com/media/9NfufC5FiTR2iIc8C8/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b95264o092f9lg6yircy7dq9531pg4h65f6mj8zdegt6&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

theknightsofneeee
08-07-2024, 03:19
Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

Gemma
08-07-2024, 03:20
v
stetter
newcomb
syn
arctic
ih

sure ig
insom
bop
nee

will the game end before we misyeet you who knows
cobalt

dya
themselves

lack
rask
vanta
mont

die
manti

if nee is a wolf they're prob with lackers

Gemma
08-07-2024, 03:23
https://media3.giphy.com/media/9NfufC5FiTR2iIc8C8/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b95264o092f9lg6yircy7dq9531pg4h65f6mj8zdegt6&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

do u want a blanket

ladd
08-07-2024, 03:26
hmph, im sketchy on ladd, jan, and rask a bit so we should pow wow and see which of us is mistaken (it could easily be me!)

Why sketchy on jan?

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 03:32
do u want a blanket

no but I want you to warm my cold, cold heart part 5 with some novel takes or something besides a suuuper cop out vanta vote

ladd
08-07-2024, 03:35
Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

For me its like toan and meta, which i get is not helpful to you but has worked so far for me

If you want concrete stuff, i liked the evolution of his cobalt read and him snap calling ih/insomnia w/w but really its mostly just based on it feeling similar to last v/v games we played on here



I think this game feels hard rn cause no obv wolves but will prolly feel a lot easier after some flips

ladd
08-07-2024, 03:37
v
stetter
newcomb
syn
arctic
ih

sure ig
insom
bop
nee

will the game end before we misyeet you who knows
cobalt

dya
themselves

lack
rask
vanta
mont

die
manti

if nee is a wolf they're prob with lackers

Can you elaborate on that last line?

ladd
08-07-2024, 03:38
im relatively certain we're gona lunch one of montmorency or vanta with only a slight chance of the rest of the field if mont never ends up posting

Vanta will get vigged

Id guess ender or sheep get lunched but who knows

didistetter
08-07-2024, 03:52
I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

VotesTargetVoters
2Theknightsofneeee EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
[B][SIZE=3]1Vanta Black Gemma
[B][SIZE=3]1Dyachei Insomnia
[B][SIZE=3]1Sheepsaysmeep Syn
[B][SIZE=3]1Jan Theknightsofneeee
[B][SIZE=3]1Wisdom Sheepsaysmeep
[B][SIZE=3]1nebjiamn[B][SIZE=3] didistetter
14Not voting dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

didistetter
08-07-2024, 03:53
Id guess ender or sheep get lunched but who knows

and if you had to guess if that even remotley stands a chance of hitting fur, what would you wager? ladd

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 03:54
I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

<tbody>
Votes
Target
Voters


2
Theknightsofneeee
EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov


[B][SIZE=3]1
Vanta Black
Gemma


[B][SIZE=3]1
Dyachei
Insomnia


[B][SIZE=3]1
Sheepsaysmeep
Syn


[B][SIZE=3]1
Jan
Theknightsofneeee


[B][SIZE=3]1
Wisdom
Sheepsaysmeep


[B][SIZE=3]1
nebjiamn
[B][SIZE=3] didistetter


14
Not voting
dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

</tbody>

i was really gonna try to not call you a nerd this game but then you go and do this

didistetter
08-07-2024, 03:54
goddammit i fucked the formatting thats tragic

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 03:54
I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

VotesTargetVoters
2Theknightsofneeee EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
[B][SIZE=3]1Vanta Black Gemma
[B][SIZE=3]1Dyachei Insomnia
[B][SIZE=3]1Sheepsaysmeep Syn
[B][SIZE=3]1Jan Theknightsofneeee
[B][SIZE=3]1Wisdom Sheepsaysmeep
[B][SIZE=3]1nebjiamn[B][SIZE=3] didistetter
14Not voting dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt


from an optimal wagonomics standpoint, I think we need someone to move off of knee and then we're in a healthy place

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 04:00
I really should stop playing on phone why am I like this.

Apparently all but Monte has posted but it feels like I missed half the playerlist.

The way Ender solves through relaxing and vibing is something that I associate with his town game.

On the other side, Cobalt seems a bit stiff and forced. For some reason his post on this page, about him liking people talking about him, wasn't in his ISO (I'm going insane). It felt real though.

Rask... for some reason I expected him to be more hype than he's shown so far, but I know that he really didn't want to rand wolf this game and I'd think he'd put more effort into seeming solvy than he's done so he's probably town anyway.

I'm a bit worried about Syn's approach to the game but I think his "threadstate is pure" post shows a towny mindset. Raskolnikov I think you know why I'm worried, can you explain why you instantly locked him town?

Newcomb/Ladd is unlikely w/w and I feel like I agree with everything they say even when I don't. So, hopefully both are town and shouldn't be too hard to find them if they're alive wolves in later game.

Jan is still town. Retracting town leans on Sheep and Stett for the time being.

Unvote

this post stood out as towny because the thinking seems a bit.. weird / unusual to me at a glance. sorry if weird isn't the right word; I dont mean to imply anything negative at all. unorthodox. quirky. intriguing

The Rask read is like, a bit of a convoluted line of thought
"Newcomb/ladd is unlikely w/w" is just a contorted way to open a stance on those
the part about cobalt.. I was just like lol wat at first
the earlier Jan townread was also weird I never got it

I just think this is more what it looks like when there is a villager with a brain interestingly very different from mine, than it is when a wolf tries to craft reads

Also, there is something I buy about her "let's write the first thing that comes to mind about everyone!" post. none of the individual lines really moved me, but it just stands out as a genuine instance of a villager restless early-game / having loads of real thoughts about the game

didistetter
08-07-2024, 04:01
i was really gonna try to not call you a nerd this game but then you go and do this

fun fact thats gonna piss u off:

one of the reasons im still FoSing you is i specifically wrote my intro with the intent of guaging ur reaction, assuming w!benneh would brush it off and v!benneh would reply "lol polarized noob" or something like that.

you didnt mention it till #214 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857047&viewfull=1#post2053857047) where you called it whatever. its def not a top 10 opener by any means, but i suspect youd typically see it, roll your eyes, and think "noob town nerd"

instead you kinda talked around me in thread, and about me in a way that indicated you townread me but didnt want to offer a read on me.

that's kinda sure, fine, w/e. this is a game full of your old friends, i don't particularly expect interaction from anyone

buuuuuuuut the way you responded to reads on me while kinda noticeably avoiding reading me just *really* feels like your typical approach when you rand wolf lol.

don't wanna have to nk me, so avoid me and hope others do the dirty work

anyways you kinda guessed it right earlier not not fully

:popcorn2:

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 04:02
I did this for myself: if it annoys u, soz :sweetheart:


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

VotesTargetVoters
2Theknightsofneeee EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov
[B][SIZE=3]1Vanta Black Gemma
[B][SIZE=3]1Dyachei Insomnia
[B][SIZE=3]1Sheepsaysmeep Syn
[B][SIZE=3]1Jan Theknightsofneeee
[B][SIZE=3]1Wisdom Sheepsaysmeep
[B][SIZE=3]1nebjiamn[B][SIZE=3] didistetter
14Not voting dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Newcomb, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt


oof yeah I think it's time people started putting cards on the table

Vote: Theknightsofneeee

didistetter
08-07-2024, 04:10
ok not gonna update it again but needed to fix the formatting so i dont lose my mind


Tarot Game: Current Votecount

VotesTargetVoters
3Theknightsofneeee EnderWiggen, Raskolnikov, Newcomb
1Vanta Black Gemma
1Dyachei Insomnia
1Sheepsaysmeep Syn
1Jan Theknightsofneeee
1Wisdom Sheepsaysmeep
1nebjiamn didistetter
14Not voting dyachei, Arctic, Vanta Black, nebjiamn, Sunbae, Ladd, Jan, grr, Wisdom, ColonelLubriderm, Maple, Montmorency, C0balt

didistetter
08-07-2024, 04:14
dyachei hiya dya :3

iirc you tr jan, and said somethin like he's being his typical towny self

ik a few other people have echoed this, but im curious:

what about his approach so far feels like: notably towny in a way you wouldn't expect from scum jan?

i think this has been one of the more thread consensusy reads im struggling to see so im curious to hear thoughts

he feels comfortable yeah—but comfortable and memeing is... extremely within jan's scum playbook?

is it more, you wouldnt wanna vote him d1?

or is there something there you think is actually town indicative?

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 04:22
fun fact thats gonna piss u off:

one of the reasons im still FoSing you is i specifically wrote my intro with the intent of guaging ur reaction, assuming w!benneh would brush it off and v!benneh would reply "lol polarized noob" or something like that.

you didnt mention it till #214 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155022-Tarot-Mafia?p=2053857047&viewfull=1#post2053857047) where you called it whatever. its def not a top 10 opener by any means, but i suspect youd typically see it, roll your eyes, and think "noob town nerd"

instead you kinda talked around me in thread, and about me in a way that indicated you townread me but didnt want to offer a read on me.

that's kinda sure, fine, w/e. this is a game full of your old friends, i don't particularly expect interaction from anyone

buuuuuuuut the way you responded to reads on me while kinda noticeably avoiding reading me just *really* feels like your typical approach when you rand wolf lol.

don't wanna have to nk me, so avoid me and hope others do the dirty work

anyways you kinda guessed it right earlier not not fully

:popcorn2:

i legit read you like a book, lol

i didn't want to offer a direct/definitive read on you because it was straight up not conducive to game thread health (See: suki/hally in FTR, GH/logic in previous org games) and then ppl got going on your opener anyway so there was truly no need for me to belabor it fmpov

your last point about 'others doing the dirty work' is nonsense btw. if i'm a wolf what have i accomplished with this game plan when the game thread is largely towning you rn anyway?

on a side note, i made a conscious decision pre-game to try really hard to not make comments calling you a polarized noob/nerd (and other general abrasive/sarcastic comments @ others) cause im trying to be better and wanted to foster a cool chill environment as i invited u, and I didn't see value in mocking you earlier for sussing me while i had a tr on you

but i couldn't help it after you made a manual vote count

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 04:27
as an aside, stop acting like you aren't a) good at the game and b) my friend

i'm not ignoring you in favor of posting with/at others, there's just been nothing i've been interested in vollying at you besides the few things i have but if you wana interact with me just ping me. i don't think i've been avoidant so idt the idea that i'm 'not interacting' with you is fair

Gemma
08-07-2024, 04:28
no but I want you to warm my cold, cold heart part 5 with some novel takes or something besides a suuuper cop out vanta vote

its not cop out at all i want them to do stuff


Can you elaborate on that last line?

if wolf shape of play matches what id expect from competent wolf with multiple incompetent or absent buds

Maple
08-07-2024, 04:36
Who do you think falls into that category?

Gemma
08-07-2024, 04:39
i legit read you like a book, lol

i didn't want to offer a direct/definitive read on you because it was straight up not conducive to game thread health (See: suki/hally in FTR, GH/logic in previous org games) and then ppl got going on your opener anyway so there was truly no need for me to belabor it fmpov

your last point about 'others doing the dirty work' is nonsense btw. if i'm a wolf what have i accomplished with this game plan when the game thread is largely towning you rn anyway?

on a side note, i made a conscious decision pre-game to try really hard to not make comments calling you a polarized noob/nerd (and other general abrasive/sarcastic comments @ others) cause im trying to be better and wanted to foster a cool chill environment as i invited u, and I didn't see value in mocking you earlier for sussing me while i had a tr on you

but i couldn't help it after you made a manual vote count

damn so that time u called me a nerd it wasnt a friendly banter

im cut :'(

Gemma
08-07-2024, 04:40
Who do you think falls into that category?

ur mom

nebjiamn
08-07-2024, 04:46
vote: enderwiggin

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 04:48
22. sheepsaysmeep

3. Didistetter
11. grr - I really buy the LAMIST (stuff from the thread as well) about how they are meta obviously town. especially if they are purportedly 'stilted' as wolf they seem comfortable here so ok lol
14. Wisdom
17. Newcomb I think - has been constantly trending up like throughout the day lol

12. EnderWiggin
13. insomnia

2. Arctic

1. dyachei - I actually would townread the no-nonsense vibe, but since they said beforehand they would be like this in an NAI way it is probably actually NAI
9. Jan
8. ladd - gut pings but he did dislike basically the exact same things about TKON that I did
16. ColonelLubriderm - had some towny moments but probably the most easily fakeable out of all the towny moments so far. actually now that I think about him I'd put him a tier lower maybe. seems like maybe he's trying too hard to have towny moments
20. Theknightsofneeee - unironically I think him making a mini deal out of "I have a decent chance to be elimmed today" and saying "im just struggling with this format" multiple times are kinda towny when I dont even think his situation was that bad and not really a self-defense approach that comes to mind for a wolf maybe
21. C0balt

-- I would maybe draw a line here ? --

5. nebjiamn
6. Sunbae

10. Gemma
18. Maple

(none of these are like actual outright scumreads TBH )

Separate category:

4. Vanta Black
19. Montmorency
7. Raskolnikov (just have no idea)
15. Syn

meh, I felt like maybe im townleaning people too generously so I tried a bit to compensate and I feel like I still am lol

if people want to ask for explanations or stuff there's a chance I do not want to blah blah

Vanta Black
08-07-2024, 04:59
Okay yeah fake GH being bop makes sense.

I'm less mad about it not being GH I guess; bop is a vibe in and of himself.

Although i'm not entirely sure if we've actually played together or not?

I feel like half the names on this playerlist I kinda know but don't really know if that makes sense

Might need like an interpreter or sherpa type person D1

maybe Sunbae?

Speaking of an interpreter, there is much that I don't understand in these first pages but "fake GH being bop makes sense" in fact does not make sense. Maybe later.

didistetter
08-07-2024, 05:01
hiya vanta o/

as someone who's only seen you play as wolf before:

what's your typical approach to maf and interactions as town?

Vanta Black
08-07-2024, 05:01
Everybody just pretend I replaced in on D2 or late in d1. Had to spent the day catching up on stuff I had let slide. Will never be caught up. (IRL. In this game, maybe.)

didistetter
08-07-2024, 05:02
Vote: c0balt

my reads feel stragnant and i dont love that lol.

be more scummy scum pls n ty

Gemma
08-07-2024, 05:08
Everybody just pretend I replaced in on D2 or late in d1. Had to spent the day catching up on stuff I had let slide. Will never be caught up. (IRL. In this game, maybe.)

tbh just read some isos and do a proper catchup during nightphase

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 05:08
people keep referencing post #'s from like 300 posts before as if im going to like go back and and look at it for reference

Vanta Black
08-07-2024, 05:09
hiya vanta o/

as someone who's only seen you play as wolf before:

what's your typical approach to maf and interactions as town?

Hi stett!

Where did you see me play?

I am not a great scumhunter, and I don't think I have a typical approach. Kinda vibey, and I have had some good streaks where I identified scum but I'm not very persuasive at getting them voted. A lot of it is "gut feeling thisi player is town, will follow their vote," but I'm pretty strict about not voting my townreads no matter what.

Do not expect any walls from me. If I'm still here by D4 I will probably come up with a very outlandish theory to explain the game.

Vanta Black
08-07-2024, 05:13
people keep referencing post #'s from like 300 posts before as if im going to like go back and and look at it for reference

I hope you do't mean me, I quoted for this very reason

Gemma
08-07-2024, 05:26
I'm pretty strict about not voting my townreads no matter what.

https://www.falseknees.com/comics/imgs/249.png

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 05:29
I hope you do't mean me, I quoted for this very reason

nah

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 05:30
he hasnt really been forcing reads imo and has been more on topic than he is as a wolf. Like most of his posts are game related!

tbh this could be a TMI read because I don't feel like Jan has been thattt game related lol. but I dont have any points of reference for Jan

ladd
08-07-2024, 06:11
12. EnderWiggin


can you explain why you have ender so high?




8. ladd - gut pings but he did dislike basically the exact same things about TKON that I did

could you elaborate on what gut pings?

also my post on knights came after your push so i could have had nefarious intentions if you now think knights is a villager



20. Theknightsofneeee - unironically I think him making a mini deal out of "I have a decent chance to be elimmed today" and saying "im just struggling with this format" multiple times are kinda towny when I dont even think his situation was that bad and not really a self-defense approach that comes to mind for a wolf maybe



i think the struggling with format stuff is pretty squarely NAI, he coudl struggle with the format and still be a wolf

idk this turn around for these reasons given how much you hated his early posts seems a bit weird to me


if people want to ask for explanations or stuff there's a chance I do not want to blah blah

i'll try anyway

ladd
08-07-2024, 06:13
and if you had to guess if that even remotley stands a chance of hitting fur, what would you wager? ladd

prolly not bad by sheer PoE; i also think if 1 is a wolf the other is super likely to be one too

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 06:15
Gonna ask everyone to indulge me here and put a vote down on your top wolfread and give some insight into why that's your preferred kill.

Game is starting to get interesting, whoever said we need to kind of raise the bar of what's considered villagery is deffo right - a lot of my light v reads should really not be cutting it at this point.

But yeah this isn't super feeling like a clearly defined game on D1 where I can already see how it's gonna play out - i'm hoping we can get some good info out of this day and some concrete votes / reasons here around the midway point will go a long way.

if you're skeptical or don't want to, let me just say forcing wolves to take stances is the best thing we can do right now

I'll start.

Maple
08-07-2024, 06:17
Watching a movie with the gals

The Lobster

Good times

ladd
08-07-2024, 06:19
Vote: Vanta


its not cop out at all i want them to do stuff




ngl i have a lot trouble believing this friendo


idk feels like a vote a villager doesnt make (in fact i am p sure visor as a wolf pushed vanta d1 in this exact same way lmao)

ladd
08-07-2024, 06:27
sure

vote:sheepsaysmeep


i am still most interested on knights/sheep alignment of all the players itg

I am busy until like -2/3 hours from eod so i'll see u then barring some pop ins

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 06:28
Knights is my preferred D1 right now. I don't have super high confidence it's a hit, as there hasn't been a smoking gun for me, plus their talk about their own elim did strike a decent chord with me.

However, they've done three classically wolf things IMO, and it's kinda that whole "once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action" type thing.

First, the awkward entrance. Pretty much every game has some version of this; a lot of wolves struggle to hit the ground with that kind of effortless casual v energy and many of them have that "rough approximation of it, but feels a little off" note.


nothing better than a villa rand on a new site.

<3 's to everyone i know, nice to meet you to everyone i don't.

lettuce werewolf

basically feels like someone struggling to think of a good memey / casual V opener and just going for three of them that are unrelated.

Second, this post:


Well formatting just lost all my multi quotes for my Jan iso RIP.

Just imagine a bunch of amazing supporting quotes thanks.




Just reread Jan’s iso

First 10 posts or so are just shitposting with the flavor of the game (for most would be NAI, but Jan is >rand village when he is shitposting IME)

But important caveat is there are a ton of people Jan knows pretty well in the game, which makes him faking shitposting easier.

Almost completely devoid of content until 15 posts or so in, says cobalt is unlikely to be a wolf but we should tickle them later for a post I think is pretty villagery for cobalt.

Questions a villa read on Gemma by stett

And then just drops a massive read list on the thread with almost no explanation for reads.

Classic wolf formula, and his tone being decent is the only thing that really gives me doubt on my wolf read here.

(On second thought, I think there is a decent chance if he was a wolf he would have pushed me earlier instead of just leaving me in null)



Not much to villa read, can people who are villa reading Jan please explain?

This is what I'd call pretty classic IIoA - information instead of analysis. It's more a recap of Jan's thread actions / moves than it is a thought process or investigation into why Jan's doing what he's doing or what motivation might be there, or the way their posts hang together as a cohesive thread, or any of that stuff we generically call a solving mentality. It looks like work, but it's basically busywork.


okay lets go point by point

1) just talked about that

2) I disagree bop was more villagery, i think bop's game related stuff was pretty whatever, and my villa reads on both of them were purely tone/interaction based, and because the interactions were with each other, i put them in the same tier.

(i think benneh is more villagery now but thats besides the point.)

3) the timing of the read syn gave felt right in the thread, I remember agreeing with it as I read it and felt it was a villagery thought, but obviously if i have a villa read on bop by the time i'm putting pen to paper about the read, that will color how strong my read on syn is because I now think its a wolf read on a villager. Plus syn's read was literally just a one sentence read on page 2 or whatever, it would have never gotten more than light villa read anyways.

4) /shrug emoji/ oh well. I did actually end up reading them on my phone while in bed but they weren't worth another post and tbh i was falling asleep in my comp chair while writing the reads post so my brain was just too fried to process those.


I don't think any of these should be real sticking points in your mind tbh.

maybe the sheep one i guess, but me not giving a read on sheep is probably more villa indicative of me than anything else i've done, because i would absolutely have made something up there if I was a wolf because i knew people would expect me to have a read on sheep

Lastly we have this post to ladd defending himself from ladd's shade. This one is a pretty specific wolf archetype, a real Voxx special, called "yes I'm a wolf but your reasons are bad, now watch me defend myself and nothing else."

Defending oneself in a mafia game very often comes with a flavor of frustration, but it's a very, very unique flavor when it's a wolf and it has that subtle spice of knowing someone is right, but for the wrong reasons. I'm getting a small hint of that here but YMMV.

I'd call this about a 65% wolfread; better than a coinflip but not *much* better. Good enough to be my vote right now but I could certainly be convinced to go elsewhere by a good case.

Hint, hint.

Maple
08-07-2024, 06:35
sure

vote:sheepsaysmeep


i am still most interested on knights/sheep alignment of all the players itg

I am busy until like -2/3 hours from eod so i'll see u then barring some pop ins

Yeah, I've been thinking about newcomb's question or prompt or whatever. And saying sheep is the simplest and most straight answer.

Which makes it annoying that you said so first, frankly.

I was considering spinning it around and instead talking about who I think might be villager, too.

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 06:36
Why am I awake

I dreamt that my IRL friends started playing a forum mafia game without me and I was so proud and hype

Waking up too early was doubly disappointing

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 06:36
can you explain why you have ender so high?




could you elaborate on what gut pings?

also my post on knights came after your push so i could have had nefarious intentions if you now think knights is a villager

i think the struggling with format stuff is pretty squarely NAI, he coudl struggle with the format and still be a wolf

idk this turn around for these reasons given how much you hated his early posts seems a bit weird to me


i'll try anyway

lol

I will address the bolded section quickly:

"also my post on knights came after your push so i could have had nefarious intentions if you now think knights is a villager" - I think it's more notable that you listed 4 things that pinged u from neee and I was like wow, this list actually really closely resembles things that were pinging me from neee. that is more notable than "you're pushing him at this certain time and he might be a villa."

that is the entire sole thing singlehandedly putting u above null prob. also that u prob read my really long post in response to Newcomb and then the next morning the entire game immediately handwaved it and moved on might actually be like +1 town point lol.

"i think the struggling with format stuff is pretty squarely NAI, he coudl struggle with the format and still be a wolf" - I guess like, this might be a read less suited for competent players, but my take is just that groaning about it out loud seems villagery (risking seeming overly self-defensive) compared to wolf instinct to like put your head down and prove yourself town other ways

"idk this turn around for these reasons given how much you hated his early posts seems a bit weird to me" - honestly like 18 people have described my dislike of neee as quite strong and I dont know what to make of it. it's weird. I would consider my feelings on neee like gut pings at best, barely even a scumread at its peak.

I might try to address the other things but honestly probably not

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 06:44
Wisdom

ik this is meant to be a hypeing people of post, but something doesnt quite sit right.

where do you see the bolded mentality at all? that kinda just feels like you conjured it up imo.

let it cook is a valid approach—and you say as much yourself. people need time and space to post more and develope reads

idk it kinda feels like you're being prickly over nothing here?

Yeah I got a bit mad at myself when doing the hipfire reads because of how hard it was to not shrug people off as "waiting for more content". Wrt "letting others solve the game" I'm sure I've seen like 3 people said something like that but I'm not gonna dig for it. Like you said, was just trying to bring some hype, content and confidence!

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 06:45
also my TKON townlean now is also not big at all it's like barely above null. it's just not a big turn-around altogether

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 06:45
I am willing to sacrifice looking very opportunistic to make this clarification

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 06:53
I've suddenly remembered my early townlean on sunbae that I had forgotten, which was for like, sunbae seemed to imply that he would be super laid back this game. but then he seemed to be able to not help himself giving pretty decent bursts of content. and I thought that breaking that "im gonna be lazy" self-imposed restriction tends to be town

ladd
08-07-2024, 06:56
Thx for the answers, so if you dont wanna kill knights anymore who do you wanna lunch?

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 06:57
I think ladd making multiple associative-y statements and having them kinda box me into being a good vote pings me a little bit. there's "sheep/knights would be good to solve an alignment in there" and then "sheep/ender could have a wolf and could be partners" and FMPOV it feels like that is a large majority of the background for voting me which I just feel is sussy idk

I think just like a broad "sheep flip gives information" statement that Newcomb made would actually ping me less

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 06:59
Thx for the answers, so if you dont wanna kill knights anymore who do you wanna lunch?

im looking at Gemma / maple / I still sorta have my eye on knights because I'm still catching up and I know he posted some more substantial ISO's that im really tryna get to / dya has sorta been trending down?? but ehh actually I dont think I would vote there

im also sorta procrastinating on this because I wouldnt really be able to talk about any of them, it's more just like gut vibes stuff the way and not a single person stands out that like I'd feel GOOd about d1'ing the way I have in most game

ladd
08-07-2024, 07:01
I think ladd making multiple associative-y statements and having them kinda box me into being a good vote pings me a little bit. there's "sheep/knights would be good to solve an alignment in there" and then "sheep/ender could have a wolf and could be partners" and FMPOV it feels like that is a large majority of the background for voting me which I just feel is sussy idk

I think just like a broad "sheep flip gives information" statement that Newcomb made would actually ping me less

You are absolutely free to wolfread me but to clarify my stance:

- i think you/knights has a wolf mostly due to my individual read on both of you and how the early interaction played out

- i think you/ender (and atp maybe knights) have the highest chance of being lunched

- i personally do not have a read on ender but i did note both ender villa reading you strongly and you villreading ender strongly (his placement is the 1 taht stuck out to me the most in your list). So should 1 of you 2 be a wolf i think the other has good odds of being as well just on level 0

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 07:03
you say you think me/knights has a wolf due to the individual read on us, is that like a wolfread on us individually or are we just murky? like are u able to talk a bit about a read on me individually

ladd
08-07-2024, 07:03
Yeah, I've been thinking about newcomb's question or prompt or whatever. And saying sheep is the simplest and most straight answer.

Which makes it annoying that you said so first, frankly.

I was considering spinning it around and instead talking about who I think might be villager, too.

Sup manti

Havent had the chance to interact this game but a couple of your posts made me laugh

ladd
08-07-2024, 07:04
you say you think me/knights has a wolf due to the individual read on us, is that like a wolfread on us individually or are we just murky? like are u able to talk a bit about a read on me individually

I can but i gotta go to work lol

So you ll have to wait 12 hours or so

Maple
08-07-2024, 07:04
Hello, I'm reading and thinking and watching movie

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 07:05
mason goes a bit far, but we can dance and see where it leads us.

no slow dancing for now.

and please change your attire first. you spilled some brown liquid on it and I am not sure if I want to associate with that.

I'm gonna put on a pretty dress just for you :3

------------

Things I thought about before falling asleep:
- grr really vibed towny in his hunt for attention and affirmation
- Insomnia's want to survive d1 isn't necessarily town indicative but it sounded pure.

Immediate PoE right now is something like <Arctic, Dya, Sunbae, Vanta, Gemma, Bop, Maple, Mont, Knights> which probably contain 3-5 wolves but I don't have much confidence in <C0balt, Benneh, Insomnia, Syn, Sheep, Stett> being town either.

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 07:05
I can but i gotta go to work lol

So you ll have to wait 12 hours or so

have fun working

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 07:15
What, why did the site delete my reads? Can't stuff be put inside (smaller than) and (bigger than) symbols?

Immediate PoE 3-5 wolves (unordered):
Arctic
Bop
Dya
Gemma
Knights
Maple
Monte
Sunbae
Vanta

Least confident town reads (Unordered):
Benneh
C0balt
Insomnia
Sheep
Stett
Syn

------

I won't be able to be here 3 hours before EoD ever, but today I'm going to a boardgame event as well, just a fyi!

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 07:17
u asked about my Ender Wiggins townread

I am re-reading his catch-up to try to remember (note that I have read it in a self-centered ways both times).

I am just sorta pocketed by a very natural-looking progression on me. and also im looking at the timestamps his pace is pretty fast which I think is just +1 point if I like his progression lol

-> scumreads the exact same opening posts I scumread TKON for
-> calls me towny for also disliking knee
-> calls me locktown for explaining knee read by citing the exact same posts he used
-> defensive of sheep and slowly goes oh lol everyone found him scummy wtf

there was prob some other stuff but this mainly made me feel good

also I think someone made a comment calling his catch-up meta town and I was like oh really? and believed it and that confbiased him into like my upper tiers or whatever

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 07:18
"u" is ladd

Jan
08-07-2024, 07:24
Why should you have a read on me? I've made like two content posts and have been shitposting mostly

Ladd locked you in as a villager. Tells me that I should have some read on you or ladd is a wolf with tmi (or a villager showing reads at a wall).

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 07:28
I might not have played a ton of games recently but I have railed some from the shadows and like, idk, I feel like people expect <thing> out of dya that dya just doesn't ever really actually do and then when they don't see <thing> they just shadeshadeshade and then dya gets on the defensive a bit and then because dya has been shaded when they start dropping reads people just throw their hands up a bit and go "oh shucks im not sure what to make out of all this ill just focus elsewhere for a bit" and then they and their reads just kinda sit in their own untouched universe for a couple game days

and like, idk, i read dyas posts and they seem like an obvious villager and id like to try to prevent that from happening here?

I really like this post! I don't see what Sunbae sees but it's a town point for Sunbae and a good reminder that I tend to sus Dya d1 for this exact reason. I still don't see the obv!town stuff but I believe Sunbae seeing it.

ladd
08-07-2024, 07:34
Lets try something slightly different

vote:gemma


v
stetter
newcomb
syn
arctic
ih

sure ig
insom
bop
nee

will the game end before we misyeet you who knows
cobalt

dya
themselves

lack
rask
vanta
mont

die
manti

if nee is a wolf they're prob with lackers

This read is like completely lacking of any sort of spice, idk if u could make a safer readlist


ngl i have a lot trouble believing this friendo


idk feels like a vote a villager doesnt make (in fact i am p sure visor as a wolf pushed vanta d1 in this exact same way lmao)

This vote and justification for it i realllllly hate

I am trying to think why a villager would think it'd help them solve the game and i am coming up empty

Again super mega safe vote to make

(Click on my post to see quoted gemma posts)

Jan
08-07-2024, 07:35
becuz ur trying to see a connection where is none. I can see how you would potentially do but i just didnt so you're free to connect that observation to the specifics in jans reads list it just didnt happen in my head lol. i am townreading dya. i was town leaning sunbae.i dont really care about jans readslist i didnt think about it.

and that is why you are classified as a tier 3 citizen.

back to mines with you.

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 07:38
holy fuck I forgot about babydik, what an elite moment

I'm not gonna make it a thing but I think your sunbae read is soft. From my POV Sunbae is an elite wolf and his best skill is being able to put out casual, reasonable sounding posts in his sleep. Like literally nothing he's posted is remotely out of his wolfrange IMO. Granted i'm working with relatively old meta at this point.

I'm giving manti a daypass for the "first six words" post, that was slick

I don't really get the artic read. I mean I get the 'said something I thought = more likely village', sure. You're giving points for going all over explainy though? Why?

Noted wrt Sunbae! Still not someone I wanna yeet today.

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 07:44
I find Newcomb's post about knights fairly compelling and have nothing to add to it

I thought something pretty similar wrt the IIOA specifically

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 07:45
knights did have a kind of awkward intro; whoever pointed that out, think it was rask or ender maybe, I vibe with it. didn't stick out like a sore thumb but on readback, the shoe fits for the token awkward thread entrance d1 wolf. Not a glass slipper, but at least a pair of crocs.

Talk to me about benneh; apologies if I missed it, i'm catching up and also f5'ing the thread as I do

btw Necomb I claim credit for this

I think someone else did too but im the OG

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 07:49
Vote: Gemma

I have some interest in starting a Maple wagon too. I think a lot of the thread has vaguely murkily expressed mild frowning at Maple, so it could be really interesting to see if that would actually take off. but would I actually feel like elimming that today? nahh

and also I might not be here for much of the day phase. ive been doing a lot of phone-posting in FM recently but god I took a look and this website seems unusable on mobile lol

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 07:55
Vote: Gemma

I was thinking about voting in Maple/Bop as well but it sure is about time wagons go wheeee!

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 08:04
btw Necomb I claim credit for this

I think someone else did too but im the OG

fair

bus works better if you stick with it though :v

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 08:04
Bop specifically has quite a few posts whereof none gets him town points from me. Also saying stuff like "I might go into a knee tunnel" and "I'm basically inno child at this point" rubs me the wrong way. His town pile also smells of mold and fur.

Gemma is a fine wagon though, she's UTR and reminds me of last time I played with w!her

ladd
08-07-2024, 08:13
fair

bus works better if you stick with it though :v

Lmao

Thats something thats been on the back of my mind for a while

There is someyhing bizzare about how knights/sheep evolved. Feels like knighta doesnt care about reading sheep much to me and sheep side now got weird, i cant tell if they want knights ded or not

Probably not it but fun scenario

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 08:15
please clear me if he flips scum

sheepsaysmeep
08-07-2024, 08:17
i cant tell if they want knights ded or not

I would say the answer to this is yes rn btw to be clear, I think he and gemma are roughly equally solid choices and voted gemma just cuz I thought that wagon was smaller

ladd
08-07-2024, 08:17
please clear me if he flips scum

Ill clear until lets say d4

:curtain:

Jan
08-07-2024, 08:23
the knights problem is that he is tunneling me for a reason that makes a lot of sense to him.

I have called him an easy villa read a lot in the past year.
I normally either find him early or assume he is a wolf.
Me not interacting with him so far should be a red flag to him.

and that red flag turned into a tunnel.

The problem is that I did not catch on early to him in one of our recent games and am changing my approach.
(not sure if it was anni or the game before. but I remember having a bad soft clear on knights d1 in a game within the last 2-3 months)



Newcombs reasoning is fine.

The first point is mute because I am certain that it is how knights starts every game I remember.
knights into is normally
"something about randing villa

line saying hello"
the added line in the middle in a new forum is not out of character.


The 2nd point about knights read on me is fine.
I have trouble judging it because I know knights (if villa) is in a silly tunnel that just got half his quotes eaten and might take some shortcuts because of it.
Doesn't really excuse lack of analysis.

This all to say I see a fence. I sit on it.

Jan
08-07-2024, 08:31
The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

Vanta Black
08-07-2024, 08:42
vote: ColonelLubriderm

I'll bet you want a reason for this vote. Vibes thing. Earlier when I wasn't at a keyboard I read a little on mobile (which is dire) and saw some posts that pinged me, and I will look for them.

Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning. I have since seen some players say Jan is easily capable of faking that relaxed vibe and I guess I have to believe them, and also it's probably a dumb reason to tr someone. But there it is. (I have played 1 game with Jan, which is 1 more than I have played with most of you here.)

Jan
08-07-2024, 08:44
It took me until now to realize tkon is "the knights of neeee" and I hate it.

Goes into the same junk pile as ymmv.

Least sexy acronym used by people with poor taste. I get being lazy but at least try to look cute.



On a related note. still waiting for a cat pic, ben. might policy vote there if that does not change

30 posts only so far. I might start shitposting soon!

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 08:48
the more interesting world is sheep/knights v/v and ladd is giga pocketing me btw

just putting it out there that that's a thought that's been rolling around back there.

ladd's said a truly remarkable number of things i've agreed with this game, including stuff that can't possibly have anything to do with alignment like the d1 vote stickiness thing, which I almost made a post about because i've noticed literally the exact same thing in my game as a kind of unconscious evolution of how people started reacting to me.

I don't say this to have any meaningful moving the needle on anything in the game right now or potentially ever, just to like, give myself a little potential postgame face-saving

Jan
08-07-2024, 08:49
vote: ColonelLubriderm

I'll bet you want a reason for this vote. Vibes thing. Earlier when I wasn't at a keyboard I read a little on mobile (which is dire) and saw some posts that pinged me, and I will look for them.

Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning. I have since seen some players say Jan is easily capable of faking that relaxed vibe and I guess I have to believe them, and also it's probably a dumb reason to tr someone. But there it is. (I have played 1 game with Jan, which is 1 more than I have played with most of you here.)

I died clearing you and nobody cared enough to look for it in my iso. they just killed you instead.
(I can fake a lot as wolf. I lack endurance and can be a bit hung up on shitposting for too long because it is simply more fun than fake-solving.)

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 08:55
[B]
Also someone somewhere in this thread asked people with townread on Jan to explain that tr. It's early but I thought the tarot readings were pretty relaxed and town-leaning.

I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 09:03
hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

Vanta Black
08-07-2024, 09:07
Hello, I'm reading and thinking and watching movie

The Lobster?

What did you think, did you like it?

This is important. I might have to change my vote.

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 09:15
hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

Wisdom
08-07-2024, 09:15
100% vibes but Vanta town.

The Lobster is a weird yet enjoyable movie, 8/10.

Gemma
08-07-2024, 09:15
ngl i have a lot trouble believing this friendo


idk feels like a vote a villager doesnt make (in fact i am p sure visor as a wolf pushed vanta d1 in this exact same way lmao)

idc about what visor did in another game lol i'm a) not visor b) not trying to get vanta yeeted

also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

at what point in this game do i look like someone who is going to be a deciding factor in a yeet such that i would think doing absolutely nothing other than voting someone would lead to their receiving pressure or votes and what about a naked vote and ping at vanta ever comes across as meaningfully pushing the slot idk what angle u think i would even be playing there as a wolf

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 09:16
hey newcomb, im here for a bit, wanna bounce stuff back and forth?

I've got a strong town read on maple for the "the first six words of each paragraph makes me think wolf" post (a type of observation that makes me think they are actually thinking about posts and what they mean) and for the sequence of being so stuck on that interaction and not really letting go despite nobody really chiming in (a type of thing that makes me think they care about what they are saying). However I've gotten brushback saying specifically the second point is a big disagreement. Now, this type of read is one that I've been burned on before (though like, i do make it a lot so obviously blah blah probabilistic game means it's gonna be wrong sometimes when i use it a lot) but I'd like to see if you agree with me or the detractor(s?)

Gemma
08-07-2024, 09:17
wolfy popout

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 09:19
love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

meant to quote this one so grab my post above this as well

I have a town read on neb because he hasn't really being doing anything that looks like he is positioning himself for the future. He's not making any strong wolf reads to look good later, he's not pocketing people, he's not making sure he's noticed and getting credit for correct statements or preparing anything negative to bring on someone for their incorrect statement. Just kind of sitting here doing his own thing and whenever I catch wolf neb it's because I can see him doing that type of thing you know?

Jan
08-07-2024, 09:19
also that was vanta's first game here iirc and at that point they looked like an easy misyeet whereas now they're a slot that can easily clear themselves which invites completely different interactions

can you explain this?
What changed? Why do you think vanta can easily clear themself? I disagree strongly based on the last game.

Vanta Black
08-07-2024, 09:20
I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

It was first the tarot readings, then some content. Vibes. It seemed natural. Whereas Col.Lubr. looked like trying for relaxed, and then if there was content I missed it.

Also you can't really say "tarot readings had nothing to do with the game" in a game called Tarot Mafia.

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 09:40
love to, but it's 1 AM here and i'm fading pretty fast. catch me tomorrow, or leave me some stuff to ponder and i'll think about it in the morning

I think Dya is a pretty obvious villager for reasons of "I read their posts and idk, seems like an obvious villager???" and like, yeah I understand people disagree or w/e and I don't blame them because it's the type of read I can't ever articulate and whenever I try to people just act like I'm making no sense but it seems obvious to me. You asked me for specific posts and I don't have them but just like, go read their posts and ask if they are solving the game or not. And if the things they choose to talk about are based on positioning/looking good/faking reads or based on whatever comes to their mind in the moment.

Newcomb
08-07-2024, 09:42
I've got a strong town read on maple for the "the first six words of each paragraph makes me think wolf" post (a type of observation that makes me think they are actually thinking about posts and what they mean) and for the sequence of being so stuck on that interaction and not really letting go despite nobody really chiming in (a type of thing that makes me think they care about what they are saying). However I've gotten brushback saying specifically the second point is a big disagreement. Now, this type of read is one that I've been burned on before (though like, i do make it a lot so obviously blah blah probabilistic game means it's gonna be wrong sometimes when i use it a lot) but I'd like to see if you agree with me or the detractor(s?)

ok I lied but after this post i'm going to bed for real

hypocricy alert I rambled a bit in a way that very likely gave more words than nessicary to a not complicated idea so if you don't want that feel free to skip it; if I end up caring about it tomorrow I'll edit it to be reader-friendly

this is kind of an odd one insofar as I agree with you that the concept / archtype in general is more villa indicative than not. But in this specific case when it's applied to this series of posts and one of them being manti it kind of goes the other way for me. A big part of that is my somewhat murky understanding of manti as a player and how manti tries to avoid suspicion as a wolf; my general conception is that manti kinda knows most of the time that he's not going to endgame or gets a good sense of what kind of strategic role he can play for any given wolfteam from the jump and has the ability to lean into it. I guess it like - fits a mental map of a chess movie w!manti might make to get ahead of the coming 'it's d3 manti's doing manti stuff guess we go here now' type situation.

Also also, the actual stuff he was pushing on, while like - on a visceral level I get because just the way grrr writes stuff is kind of hard to parse sometimes, so I get it in that sense. But it's also.... easy target, kind of?

Take for example Vanta Black's post they just made to me responding to my question about Jan's tarot thing. You see how I *could* just like. Make that a thing. Tear into it. Push and push. I was making a point about alignment indictive things and tarot and they pivoted to the name of the game / flavor which isn't what I was getting at at all, they didn't truly in a good faith way try to grasp where I was coming from with my question. Like I *could* spin that, I know I could.

But I know what I was trying to get out of them and I can tell they're either not willing or not able to give it to me at least not right now, so I just... let it go

Granted manti's thing was more about actual like. Comprehension. Ships passing in the night type shit. But part of me thinks it's somewhat likely villager manti has a self-reflective moment somewhere in there and steps back or away a little more proactively. Like manti would kind of already know what he was trying to get out of that conversation and bail.

anyway that's the half-asleep thought ramble

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 09:52
ok I lied but after this post i'm going to bed for real

hypocricy alert I rambled a bit in a way that very likely gave more words than nessicary to a not complicated idea so if you don't want that feel free to skip it; if I end up caring about it tomorrow I'll edit it to be reader-friendly

this is kind of an odd one insofar as I agree with you that the concept / archtype in general is more villa indicative than not. But in this specific case when it's applied to this series of posts and one of them being manti it kind of goes the other way for me. A big part of that is my somewhat murky understanding of manti as a player and how manti tries to avoid suspicion as a wolf; my general conception is that manti kinda knows most of the time that he's not going to endgame or gets a good sense of what kind of strategic role he can play for any given wolfteam from the jump and has the ability to lean into it. I guess it like - fits a mental map of a chess movie w!manti might make to get ahead of the coming 'it's d3 manti's doing manti stuff guess we go here now' type situation.

Also also, the actual stuff he was pushing on, while like - on a visceral level I get because just the way grrr writes stuff is kind of hard to parse sometimes, so I get it in that sense. But it's also.... easy target, kind of?

Take for example Vanta Black's post they just made to me responding to my question about Jan's tarot thing. You see how I *could* just like. Make that a thing. Tear into it. Push and push. I was making a point about alignment indictive things and tarot and they pivoted to the name of the game / flavor which isn't what I was getting at at all, they didn't truly in a good faith way try to grasp where I was coming from with my question. Like I *could* spin that, I know I could.

But I know what I was trying to get out of them and I can tell they're either not willing or not able to give it to me at least not right now, so I just... let it go

Granted manti's thing was more about actual like. Comprehension. Ships passing in the night type shit. But part of me thinks it's somewhat likely villager manti has a self-reflective moment somewhere in there and steps back or away a little more proactively. Like manti would kind of already know what he was trying to get out of that conversation and bail.

anyway that's the half-asleep thought ramble

Thank you, this is me acknowledging the response but I need to chew on it a bit. Make some valid points and I do have a habit of getting got by manti specifically

Sunbae
08-07-2024, 09:55
The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

I had specific posts in mind when I expressed my concern, what are you thoughts on them? Think I'm reaching or more of a "generally fine idea just not for Ender here"?

Gemma
08-07-2024, 09:55
Lets try something slightly different

vote:gemma



This read is like completely lacking of any sort of spice, idk if u could make a safer readlist



This vote and justification for it i realllllly hate

I am trying to think why a villager would think it'd help them solve the game and i am coming up empty

Again super mega safe vote to make

(Click on my post to see quoted gemma posts)

bruh

Gemma
08-07-2024, 10:00
The ender pushes that are kind of floating around leave me confused.

Ender had a burst of posts that were fine and did not ping me at all.
He said that he won't be back until after work today.

It feels more likely people didn't read/forgot about those posts and are pushing for "out of sight of mind" reasons and not for actual content.

I hate it because ender was pretty clear about his availability in his posts.
Pushing him for what he did and did not do while around is fine. Pushing without actual reasons feels like a cop-out. (I can't be asked to got back and check who exactly floated the name, but I read it several times while catching up).

the newcomb post was kinda eeh

is the only thing for me

Gemma
08-07-2024, 10:03
It took me until now to realize tkon is "the knights of neeee" and I hate it.

Goes into the same junk pile as ymmv.

Least sexy acronym used by people with poor taste. I get being lazy but at least try to look cute.



On a related note. still waiting for a cat pic, ben. might policy vote there if that does not change

30 posts only so far. I might start shitposting soon!

tkon is pretty bad but your mileage may vary just takes so long to type its so unnecessary

Gemma
08-07-2024, 10:08
I mean I get vibes and I get not getting too deep into the weeds but like.

The tarot readings had literally nothing to do with the game. what could possibly be alignment indicative about them?

what exactly did you think when you read them, like what was the thought process? What motivations or scenarios or angles did you consider? If it was purely, purely gut, then what about the tarot thing specifically vs any other casual / relaxed thing anyone said made you perk up?

I'm not trying to harp on you but imma be real, you are like 90% likely to die to town KP this game at this point, just on like. relative towniness. If you're villa here it's going to require some kind of like, shining moment where I see into your soul that you don't have TMI to get me to carry any water for you. Which i'd very much like to do if you're villa and we can not waste a vote or shot on your slot.

vanta's sort of newbtown vibes imo, you can basically lock clear them off lvl 1 stuff shot would be wasted

Raskolnikov
08-07-2024, 10:12
Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

Gemma
08-07-2024, 10:13
can you explain this?
What changed? Why do you think vanta can easily clear themself? I disagree strongly based on the last game.

wdym what changed? was last game the one where they were v? i forgot they got yeeted tbh, i just remember them being omega obvious town, i mean you can't really stop village from yeeting obvious villagers as the game goes on but as slots go vanta is overwhelmingly more clearable than someone like cobalt imo

Gemma
08-07-2024, 10:19
Sup, gonna be out for most of the day (will follow on phone as time allows) but two things that popped overnight:

- sunbae is typically in wolf meta, and his readlist just seemed too consensual, kinda sorted by expected ww competence (idk how to word it but thats a feeling I got). The thought on Ender could be real but I am noy convinced rn. May be a skill issue on my side, time will tell.

Second stuff about Maple: arctic may have a point but I dont think i have seen him wolfed so I am not sure its actually valid. What gave me some ping is how their interest vanished (specifically after Bennehs post calling them a Grrr ww). Not sure I am buying such a rollercoaster in pressure strenght. (Felt like"oops, I may be drawing too much attention to myself).

Food for thought.

I WILL be around 2 hours before EOD to game.

Final words: lol gemma (u cant wr me for the love of jebus. Be real or actually case me)

that tier was lackers not woofs

i just want you to do more stuff cause i iso'd you and didnt find those yummy crunchy bits i like so much