Tarot Mafia

[Montmorency]

Vanta just full claim

[Vanta Black]

25

im begging you PLEASE just answer the question

yes or no

meow

Kinda? Hey, sorry, it's not black and white, vig me I guess. I probably deserve it.

[Maple]

I have considered it.
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[Visor]

Players Votes

Wisdom 5 (Montmorency, grr, EnderWiggin, insomnia, Vanta Black)
Montmorency 1 (Wisdom)

whatthistextdo

[Maple]

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So the key piece of information is that according to Jan, the card I gave him was a medic heal which had the very standard restriction of being *unable to self-target*. The thing above about the deck only having 1 ability per card was a lie and I do not actually have that information.

if vanta claimed the same card I gave jan it would be known to be a lie because of this contradiction, but since the card is different this line is much weaker.

and no im not giving out a gun

[Visor]

Wisdom has died. Standby for flip.

[Visor]

Wisdom was killed.

They were:


Strength

https://i.imgur.com/nbFcsND.jpeg

They were mafia!

24 hours for night., Night orders due 7pm, so 22 hours for night orders.

whatthistextdo


Obviously do NOT post at night, thanks.

[Visor]

Posts:

https://i.imgur.com/o8OdUZF.png

[Visor]

N6 Results:

Montmorency was killed.

They were:


The Lovers

https://i.imgur.com/jlMeTUR.jpeg

They were village!

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48 hours for day.

whatthistextdo


Don't post till 9pm EDT.

[insomnia]

waiting for results from vanta

mechanically speaking we should assume 2 wolves alive, but i think the reality is just 1

idk who a good lunch would be in a 2 man. vanta? im at the point where im obviously wrong somewhere

unless it's just 1 alive and that's maple hehe

[Maple]

so i gave mont the same item that vanta received the other night, hoping he'd live and be able to verify it

and if it *was* a doc, be able to use it as a save

[insomnia]

any reason you never considered giving me cards?

[Maple]

i believed grr if v was correct on the mont read or lying as wolf, but i didnt think the team was grr/mont/wisdom, therefore the slot was almost always v

[Vanta Black]

No results, why would have I results? :shrug: I have an action accelerator but no action!

[Maple]

well my man ender is a role cop so we're just waiting for results

[insomnia]

any minute now

[EnderWiggin]

Ngl I was kinda hoping to just be dead.

[EnderWiggin]

I tried to take Grr's power but got nothing.

[EnderWiggin]

so i gave mont the same item that vanta received the other night, hoping he'd live and be able to verify it

and if it *was* a doc, be able to use it as a save

No "Oopsiedoopsie" this time?

Vote: Maple

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly everyone waiting for me and no one doing anything while I was busy with irl makes me feel kinda like the wolves were holding their breath to see if I had caught one lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

I will be back earlier than usual tomorrow but I'm just gonna crash rn.

Maple > Vanta > Insom > Grr is my leans rn.

[EnderWiggin]

Also would appreciate someone else, or everyone, doing spew readings on Wisdom.

I have my takes but given like 60% of them are "My god this is wolfy for Maple" and I'm probably so deep in my tunnel I'm halfway through a mountain, I would appreciate other takes.

[insomnia]

im gonna be pretty upset with quite a few people if maple is wolf

[Maple]

So grr is vanilla. This does not help me whatsoever.

[Maple]

So I'm basically on the stage where I need to reread the whole damn thread to make sure my poe is correct

[insomnia]

I tried to take Grr's power but got nothing.

grr?

not vanta's?????

[insomnia]

the longer the game goes on, the more I realize this werewolf thang has no use

it needs to be done though

[grr]

Was unfortunately busy with other things, but have time now (expect nothing, i already skimmed enough and read enough of this game that i dont think i will find anything, but as i said i was happy to be able to join it so i will read and give it some potato takes dvc will probably hate me for lol)

Good to see everyone else is clueless too (ender will complain about this, yeah i am seeing you gave a take and a vote, appreciated lol)

[grr]

insomnia excuse the silly question but what we thinking.

[grr]

I have no idea what to make of the take that inverter wasn't a role that has been floated, seemed crazy to me to just have random mech buzzing about without anyone being informed of it. i think inverter is/has been a role.

[grr]

do i just buy the fabled "vanta spew" and call it a day in that case insomnia should maybe also get pluspoints for protecting him (?) (ive read what wisdom wrote but ngl it creeps me out to no end when people go over a flipped wolf iso and are like oh coolio unpartnered they pushed them! maybe im just the most paranoid mofo on the planet tbh.)

[grr]

everyone: wow grr if hes wolfing so good game wow if grrr is a wolf wowee woweeee hmmm what if its grrr its probably not grrr tho

ender: role cops grrr

everyone: WHAT THE FUCK WHY YOU ROLECOP GRR.

yeah maybe be careful what u wish for.

[insomnia]

insomnia excuse the silly question but what we thinking.

1 wolf alive

we'll lunch as if it's 2 alive and probably in ender / vanta

at f3 we consider maple if we hit today and game goes on. if we dont hit today and it goes on, only 1 wolf alive anyway

if game ends, c'est la vie

[grr]

1 wolf alive

we'll lunch as if it's 2 alive and probably in ender / vanta

at f3 we consider maple if we hit today and game goes on. if we dont hit today and it goes on, only 1 wolf alive anyway

if game ends, c'est la vie

ok im gonna have to do research here and look for 22p games with only 4 wolves. because that seems weird to me.

[insomnia]

ok im gonna have to do research here and look for 22p games with only 4 wolves. because that seems weird to me.

vanta / ender for some reason doesn't sound right to me, but that'd be just cuz it'd be... too lame after the game felt pretty tough

i don't get why ender copied your role rather than vanta's though, that's like a big minus. do you remember if he sus'd you or anything? he also gave a card to vanta, i guess

the most feasible world is maple + 1 in vanta / ender, but that world would probably tilt me

[insomnia]

the reason for 4 wolves is cuz of the 3p who i guess was a serial killer /shrug

[insomnia]

i personally also wouldn't give a card to my team mate there, i think it would pair us a bit too much and for little reason since they both had cred off "bussing" wisdom

but these are "wifom" (not really?) things that will only weigh a bit in my decision

mont was very sold on ender being spewed by wisdom, as well as myself. the easy decision would be to vote vanta in this instance, but some ender posts don't really sit right with me when it comes to wisdom

probably im being paranoid cuz he had a little interaction that had a little venom to it, and most of the time those are v/w, but his reasoning for sussing wisdom felt like a weak bus. i guess a good sign is that he hedged between the wagons at EoD, to me it felt like the wolves would either commit to the bus (cuz wisdom already survived more than enough and would most certainly die at some point) or stick on knights

swapping votes between them when wolves should have a vision already and stick to a path looks good to me

[grr]

just went through MU database

22p (im leaving out a zork game i heard zork aint real):
congress of vienna 6 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30299-Congress-of-Vienna/page112
bone mafia 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23732-Bone-Mafia-Game-Thread/page69
the aquarium 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30007-The-Aquarium-%28dm-7%29/page28

21p:
leverage copless 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/12022-Leverage-Copless
april large game 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/16040-April-large-game/page41
a very potter minniest mash 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/21130-A-Very-Potter-Musical-Miniest-Mash/page40
dragon age 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/5353-Dragon-Age-Origins-Mafia
championship exhibition 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/1212-S1-S2-Championship-Exhibition-Game
gordi shore light game 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/2065-Geordie-Shore-Light-Game
internet lyfe 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/1000-Internet-Lyfe

There are many more 21p games but am kinda getting tired of this
bottom line is 4 wolves isnt real it doesnt exist why am i being sold snake oil

[grr]

just went through MU database

22p (im leaving out a zork game i heard zork aint real):
congress of vienna 6 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30299-Congress-of-Vienna/page112
bone mafia 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23732-Bone-Mafia-Game-Thread/page69
the aquarium 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30007-The-Aquarium-%28dm-7%29/page28

21p:
leverage copless 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/12022-Leverage-Copless
april large game 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/16040-April-large-game/page41
a very potter minniest mash 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/21130-A-Very-Potter-Musical-Miniest-Mash/page40
dragon age 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/5353-Dragon-Age-Origins-Mafia
championship exhibition 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/1212-S1-S2-Championship-Exhibition-Game
gordi shore light game 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/2065-Geordie-Shore-Light-Game
internet lyfe 5 wolves https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/1000-Internet-Lyfe

There are many more 21p games but am kinda getting tired of this
bottom line is 4 wolves isnt real it doesnt exist why am i being sold snake oil

many of these have neutrals/SK too. I dont think SK genereally removes a wolf. at best half a wolf or something when there needs to be rounding.

[insomnia]

you should check if those games have 3p brav

[insomnia]

then i guess vanta / maple

yolo

[grr]

you should check if those games have 3p brav

i mean i wasnt gonna look for the closest represantation to this game but just find a singular 4 wolf game in the first place nya.

it seems unlikely to me. is your solve completely different depending on 1-2 wolves i dont get the science anyway.

[grr]

then i guess vanta / maple

yolo

dont u think ender confirmed me as vanilla cuz vanta is more convenient to push for a wolf.

[grr]

not that i have any clue vanta maple is possible as much as anything else. however i would like to state that. if its vanta i have the suspicion vanta might actually be the one who is the lost wolf

[grr]

(becuz benneh wouldnt have outed to kill ladd if vanta was alr. doing it when both pack wolves most likely. (but i also dont believe benneh was ever lost becuz the progression between benneh and wisdom was, contrary to popular believe, kinda pairing, i suppose its possible he just FIGURED she was a wolf even tho he was lost w/e ig it doesnt matter im rambling. i can ramble now since monte is too dead to be confused haha)

[grr]

I'll read as much as i can before this day ends as i can i just wanted to report in but its past midnight so dont really expect results anymore tonight apologies.

[insomnia]

dont u think ender confirmed me as vanilla cuz vanta is more convenient to push for a wolf.

yeah but he's pushing maple though

[insomnia]

i mean i wasnt gonna look for the closest represantation to this game but just find a singular 4 wolf game in the first place nya.

it seems unlikely to me. is your solve completely different depending on 1-2 wolves i dont get the science anyway.

not really. if it's 2/3 i just have to yolo in 3 names cuz im not considering you

i'll try finding the ender / wisdom posts i was talking about. If searching works on this site, search for "rude" and the post and the sequence that im talking about should come up

i guess the big deal today is not to miss if it's 2 wolves alive and i have to figure out who the best lunch is in any world

[insomnia]

the game with 2 alive wolves would only make sense to me if maple is also a wolf though

other than my wifom arguments there's nothing obviously unpairing between ender and vanta though so im gonna have to figure that out

maple would make sense cuz the wolves were in no rush to kill the PRs and i think that is to give cover to the wolves who fake claimed and were being bulldozered (even though maple is real)

idk, the guy can give out docs, vigis. do wolves not theorize he can give peeks? why would you ever let him live past the point we proves his abilities work? makes no sense to me

think im selling myself on the lunch being maple rn. not trying to influence anyone, but fmpov he needs to sell a vanta / ender team and his problem is that it would be just too easy, lol

maybe it's bad thinking but i wouldn't give my partner a card after i set myself up so deeply and was bussing / villa read more than my usual wolfgames (talking about ender). i even forget if what the card did was obvious or if it was some silly stuff too

[insomnia]

I guess vanta really needs to step up today if they plan on living

Feels like the entire game they just pop in at eods to do random drive by votes and that cred ran up, the posting yesterday was kinda shallow for how deep we're in the game

Did she ever explain why she ended up on ladd?

[insomnia]

i also don't really like them claiming a semi-PR or whatever role they have

feels like they'd be more involved by some point

looks like the easiest path for today is to read ender's posts and decide whether im sticking to the read i had all game and then the game should poe itself out

Honestly, maple / vanta kinda works. With wisdom dying, their eod play felt like starting to distance. i remember thinking manti's prod on vanta was somehow off, but im gonna have to re-read to remember why

[grr]

still here but gunna sleep now i have reread d1 no conclusion yet soz, i saw the rude interaction yeah looks ~decent ig? (spew stuff kinda makes me angry but i can see it)

[insomnia]

are lost wolves actually put in normals? why are we even discussing that option?

i'd probably lol at visor for a week. imagine putting a lost wolf in a flipless game

:stare:

[grr]

I guess vanta really needs to step up today if they plan on living

Feels like the entire game they just pop in at eods to do random drive by votes and that cred ran up, the posting yesterday was kinda shallow for how deep we're in the game

Did she ever explain why she ended up on ladd?

yea she was talking about how much/didnt much she liked the people on the wagons

[EnderWiggin]

grr?

not vanta's?????

If Vanta is wolf I am not worried about them surviving F3/F5.

If I'm right on Maple then... probably you aren't a partner? I would expect 1 of the gift recipients to be a partner at this point.

Therefore eliminating Grr being wolf or confirming Grr being wolf is just ~better imo.

[EnderWiggin]

Was unfortunately busy with other things, but have time now (expect nothing, i already skimmed enough and read enough of this game that i dont think i will find anything, but as i said i was happy to be able to join it so i will read and give it some potato takes dvc will probably hate me for lol)

Good to see everyone else is clueless too (ender will complain about this, yeah i am seeing you gave a take and a vote, appreciated lol)

Well now you've pre-empted my complaints.

[EnderWiggin]

do i just buy the fabled "vanta spew" and call it a day in that case insomnia should maybe also get pluspoints for protecting him (?) (ive read what wisdom wrote but ngl it creeps me out to no end when people go over a flipped wolf iso and are like oh coolio unpartnered they pushed them! maybe im just the most paranoid mofo on the planet tbh.)

It depends on the push.

But also I cleared Wisdom off Benneh spew until Knights started posting really well that EOD so I cannot talk lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Also idk that Vanta's spew was anywhere near as solid as the spew I was poking at.

I don't remember anything super good for Vanta anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

vanta / ender for some reason doesn't sound right to me, but that'd be just cuz it'd be... too lame after the game felt pretty tough

i don't get why ender copied your role rather than vanta's though, that's like a big minus. do you remember if he sus'd you or anything? he also gave a card to vanta, i guess

the most feasible world is maple + 1 in vanta / ender, but that world would probably tilt me

I feel like my entire theories have not been read at all by you which just makes me sad.

To be clear:
SOD yesterday I had Maple/Grr as the theory (There's a really dumb reason I started this theory which is Benneh being like "Imagine" when someone paired Grr/Maple and then I realised they just don't have great interactions.)

I think the gift on Vanta + Grr's explanation of the Sunbae shot was ~good which wavered me but see previous post for my reasonings for last night.

[EnderWiggin]

i personally also wouldn't give a card to my team mate there, i think it would pair us a bit too much and for little reason since they both had cred off "bussing" wisdom

but these are "wifom" (not really?) things that will only weigh a bit in my decision

mont was very sold on ender being spewed by wisdom, as well as myself. the easy decision would be to vote vanta in this instance, but some ender posts don't really sit right with me when it comes to wisdom

probably im being paranoid cuz he had a little interaction that had a little venom to it, and most of the time those are v/w, but his reasoning for sussing wisdom felt like a weak bus. i guess a good sign is that he hedged between the wagons at EoD, to me it felt like the wolves would either commit to the bus (cuz wisdom already survived more than enough and would most certainly die at some point) or stick on knights

swapping votes between them when wolves should have a vision already and stick to a path looks good to me

I hate defending myself but I feel like the whole "Benneh cheerleadering other people talking about me and bringing me up again when Maple/Wisdom were being pressured D2 because 'no one was talking about me'" is just clearing for me lmao.

Also like Wisdom tried really hard to catch me in a weird gotcha on... D4? I think?

[EnderWiggin]

Nm you guys are already talking about it with the "rude!" post lmao.

[Vanta Black]

I guess vanta really needs to step up today if they plan on living

Feels like the entire game they just pop in at eods to do random drive by votes and that cred ran up, the posting yesterday was kinda shallow for how deep we're in the game

Did she ever explain why she ended up on ladd?

I did explain. I was kind of waffling on ladd, then Knights jumped on, and I had Knights as wolfy, so that looked bad. But also I had been out on a vanity vote D1 and I think I missed the vote D2 entirely, so I wanted to at least try to contribute something to a top wagon.

[EnderWiggin]

Vanta Black

If you're still around. Can you give me your thoughts on my Wisdom + Maple pairing I posted yesterday?

Or alternatively, your own thoughts on Wisdom spew?

[Vanta Black]

Okay so this is me stepping up, because I don't want town to lose the game on my account. It's probably very lame. I have been thinking about the game while doing other things (cleaning house, this is spring cleaning because I am in fact a terrible procrastinator). Here's my impression right now.

I think grr is more likely town than not. That whole thing about vigging Sunbae, and then confessing to it, was so wild that I can't see it being anything but town. I have not played with grr before, others here have, so if this is how he rolls as scum, it would surprise me, but I would listen. But from what I see everybody kind of agrees with my take.

Indecisive about Ender and insomnia. Earlier in the game I was just not picking up whatever either of them were laying down. It all sounded very reasonable, but a lot of it made no sense to me. Reading it, it sounded good, but as soon as I wasn't reading it turned out to be things that I failed to absorb. Which is in no way the fault of either player. It's just kind of high-concept mafia analysis.

Now I have played a couple of games with Ender. Last game I thought he was wolfy and he was town. But I also caught his Champs game a couple of years ago--note that I don't really follow games I'm not playing in all that well, as you can probably see by how well I'm following the game I'm actually playing in, but it seems like in that Champs game he came under a lot of suspicion early in the game, and then turned it around and won, as wolf. So I'm a little afraid of Ender. I would not rule Ender out, but also I kinda don't want to vote him and be wrong again.

Maple is where my vote wants to go. Maple has been tap-dancing around this claim and that claim. Now for sure Maple can hand out cards. I don't think this makes him town. And I don't think he's gone about it in a towny way. Handing out cards, pretending he knows what the cards do and asking about them as gotchas, and then actually not really knowing what they do. Evidence: I said several times that the card I got was a modifier, not an ability per se. Maple kept asking me if it was this or that. Well, already answered. Also when I got the cards I just got what they were, not who gave them to me.

[Vanta Black]

Vanta Black

If you're still around. Can you give me your thoughts on my Wisdom + Maple pairing I posted yesterday?

Or alternatively, your own thoughts on Wisdom spew?

Were your thoughts about how Wisdom kept putting Maple in groups of three, of which the others have unfailing flipped town? Because I had some thoughts about that.

Okay. I'm going back to reread your take now.

[Vanta Black]

Were your thoughts about how Wisdom kept putting Maple in groups of three, of which the others have unfailing flipped town? Because I had some thoughts about that.

Okay. I'm going back to reread your take now.

I meant to say, naming three suspects, one of which was Maple, and the others who have all flipped town. This is probably too 0-level to even think about.

[Maple]

busy day, will no life this shit tomorrow

[Vanta Black]

so i gave mont the same item that vanta received the other night, hoping he'd live and be able to verify it

and if it *was* a doc, be able to use it as a save

But I said very clearly that it was a modifier. Unless he had another action, it was useless.

[Maple]

The *other* item, vanta.

[grr]

status update:

read #1-#1882 again. um. so honestly. i dont get why people sussed enders posting not even later on but from the get go? i dont even mean relations to flipped wolves etc. blabla, wisdoms reads on him obviously squintworthy etc.

but. yeah i just dont get it? like i read his iso and every post he makes i think "yeah i could see myself writing this myself". ladd kinda said at a point he liked the flow of it or something and thats probably what im feeling too. at some point at d2 he was top wagon and his reaction seemed incredibly smooth to me. i don't think he is overly accusatory, i dont think he's working off tmi. it just feels fine to me?

just what my gut is feeling. I think there are a lot of gamestate reasons for me to think he could be a wolf too (d1 wagons, wisdoms read on him etc blabla) but whatever i can think that about anyone.


i too am a PR

my target last night was ur mommotion was detected

this was a reaction to ender i think. whoops. someone pointed out earlier benneh got upset at villas claiming PRs and i mixed up who it was a reaction to some days earlier.

[grr]

minor intersection:


grr

I think you misunderstood both what I asked for and what I found wolfy. But I read this anyway and a bit more of your ISO and I think you're probably town anyway.

You're being weird tho. We haven't played a normal game in like 3 years, and I couldn’t read you back then, I don't remember your meta at all. You also sussed me for calling you town when you were solvy d1 and now you're sussing me for calling you wolf when you were fencesitting d2, lol. I don't think either of that is AI though, that's probably how you are.

And a hot take but I don't think self meta is wolf indicative amongst familiar players. I usually tell the truth about my perception of my meta when I'm wolfing and when I'm towning and so does most others. It's easy to look up or get outted so people rarely lie about it.


You're forgetting that I'm doing what I can with limited information. I haven't read half d2 and when I don't have enough information on someone I sheep the consensus (ie Knights/Insomnia) but when I find wolfy stuff I'm gonna point it out.

Last game I had here I was pushed all game because my reads weren't consensus. I was wrong on Syn being wolf and he got yeeted d1. I had Logic town d1-d3 and then he got misyeeted. I had Benneh/Hally in my PoE almost all game despite both being consensus town read and after I got misyeeted Hally continued to solo win.

I have good intuition and I know to trust myself and that sometimes it's better to listen to others and sometimes I should listen to my gut and my reasons.

Like, the knights posts I've seen all have looked towny but not unfakeable. Same with Sunbae. And since they aren't focused in thread, I don't prioritze trying to find micro stuff on them because that's going to be easier with more flips anyway.


Btw grr reason I claimed pr d2 last game was because that's how I play as town unless it's a super important role. I think d2 claims are op because it makes life so much harder for wolves. Even d1 bucket steat is op but that's just really boring. Much better to use it to steer town into a better path when people are waisting too much time trying to solve me!

+ Claims are pretty much obligatory in roleflipless. In my homecom (full flipless) I always claim doc in f3 and win because people suck at claiming before dying.


while I am reading through I just wanna point this out for people who had a hard time meta clearing me:

Wisdom has put a lot of energy to appease me on their sus on me. It's pretty much a similar way they treated stetter. I personally dont like being read of what dead wolves said to me because I think my posts stand for themselves much better than anything but anyway.

wow i'm at #2529 i'll have finished the entire game by EoD go me.

[EnderWiggin]

It occurred to me while I was out today that no powers can = mafia goon.

I am considering Grr clear for today but if I die tonight I didn't want that to be left floating.

[EnderWiggin]

So...

I was pretty happy with the idea of a Vanta/Maple team (Or just one of them if the mafia only had 4, but I'd prefer to think 5 and then come through it again tomorrow.)

But... Does Vanta really just like jonesy my wolfread on Maple if they're partners? If I get Maple voted out then Vanta doesn't have a strong F3 chance no matter who she takes through if she's the final wolf.

Have I been kept alive as an attack dog on Maple when we're v/v?

Bluh. The handwaveyness on Insom/Me talking "High Mafia Theory" makes me frown ngl.

[EnderWiggin]

I mean obviously this could just be wifom to get me to ask that exact thing.

And this could just be Vanta v agreeing with me. But in that case it's... Maple/Insom? Why so many town gifts?

I guess last night's "Gift on Monty" could have been to x partner and Monty died to cover it.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 1 (EnderWiggin)



whatthistextdo

[EnderWiggin]

So, reasons Wisdom I thought was paired with Maple:

Both spend all D1 and most of D2 not really acknowledging each other's presence, beyond one throwaway line from each.

Wisdom mentions sussing Maple every time but then acts like it's a new sus multiple times despite never reversing or never changing it.

But then you do have later posts like:

I read a bit of Maple posting, he's probably just a wolf tbh

Which is very overt bussing. But I think it still can fit because like, as Dolby said:

Wisdom is likely just a wolf with Maple Ender

Wisdom if you were scumreading Maple, why not mention it until I asked you directly? Given the position of Maple since mid-D2 that should be a slot of great interest

I think it's very possible that the inverter is town, didn't understand that inverters wasn't a strict debuff, and targetted Maple N1 thinking it was a debuff

Then probably targetted Jan N2 after Maple claimed they were self-resolvable from it bc Jan doesn't look the best but looks like the best or second best of the PR claims depending on your personal take

It was like a tacked on read from Wisdom. Only really pursued when others were very strongly leaning there.

For Grr, there's a lot of Grr pushing and poking things and Wisdom trying to explain it. I'm not grabbing quotes but even the ISO has enough of em.

Insom has a few interactions, but nothing clearing.

I think the most damning thing I could say for spew is like:

Sorry about today's overall absence. Getting back from vacation both nuked more focus and stole more time than I expected.

Getting misyeeted here is the norm but I've been even more disconnected than usually this game, that's on me. I do think both Maple and Gemma are wolves but maybe I've been too stubborn on Gemma since I know her flipping wolf is the easiest way to town clear me.

Here’s my legacy, in case I die.

Town (0 wolves)
Dya

Town lean (0-1 wolves)
Jan
Dolby
Grr
Insomnia

No idea (0-2 wolves)
Benneh
Ender
Sunbae
Knights
Monte

Wolf lean (0-2 wolves)
Vanta
Ladd

Wolf lean (1-2 wolves)
Gemma
Maple

Stay hyped and hydrated, good night <3

The idea that Wisdom had ALL wolf buddies at No Idea or below is... not what I'd expect. Which would imply one of Grr/Insom.

But that's weak enough I could spit on it and tear it so idk.

Also like:

My instincts are telling me to screw you all and vote insomnia (I won't (I think))

This wild out of the blue mention when Insom has stayed in their town posts all game.

Vanta is a weird one. Does have them wolfy a lot early then like:


Vanta seems to have ~similar reads to me which I hope is good, couldn’t find anything else in his iso worth noticing, but he's generally less stilted than I remember him being in his wolf champs game.

Maybe he's just town. Sorry to be late on that train.


I town read vanta for a few hours d1 based on vibes, I'd say that's not the same thing. But I'm back to town leaning him, so, yay?

Back on Maple because I just noticed this but:


Because roleblocking v!Maple that specific night seems extremely -ev and something a wolf would do.

And why track Jan when you have the chance to catch a wolf?

It makes no sense. It sounds like you're just a wolf roleblocker who claimed due to being in danger. That implies Maple being town though so wth is this game.

I suddenly notice that despite wolfreading Maple all day and being like "I'm not budging from Maple" Wisdom suddenly turns tack and is like "But roleblocking V!Maple is bad!"

I mean that claim was... wild and I still dunno what Dolby was doing there. But like that specific tack after being solidly on wolf!Maple all day does feel partnered.

And then immediately goes back to being like "Why can't we yeet Maple!" moments later. As if talking about them being V is a blip in the radar.

I'm getting sidetracked.

Idk what my point was.

[EnderWiggin]

You think I have 20 charisma? :3


You're a bard, my friend :3
A sneaky sussy little bard

God I read this w/w so badly.

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly feel like I'm getting not a lot back from people rn lmao.

I swear I nearly have half the posts this phase.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm gonna be back 2-3 hours before EOD.

Hopefully Maple lives up to the claim of "nolifing this shit" because it'll at least gimme something to bite into and try n solve.

[insomnia]

ih, where's the interaction where you said maple and wisdom had the same read on me? :P


anyway, i hope vanta will not leave on that note. she needs to clarify her stance on ender and myself, i kinda agree with ender but only in the sense that i want her to take a more decisive stance by EoD on us rather than it being omega wolfy

i don't care about statistics and all that, the game still feels like 1 wolf alive to me. and it would be maple in my eyes

even in a 2 man i'd still guess him? i have a hard time putting a vote down that is not him, but maybe i'll feel different once i end up reading

kinda wanna stick to ender as a villa today. i think i've decided im fine giving him a win here if he's wolf due to how well he's posting. i'd only consider him f3. grr i wouldn't consider even at that point, although that's tough to say because the game still feels off in some way, i just don't know which way now. can't be paranoid about everything now cuz i'd be left with nothing to build on top of

[insomnia]

i can't even find the words to describe how this game feels to me rn

it feels both hard and easy at the same time. lol

it prob feels easy cuz everyone except for maple is giving me a hard time thinking it comes from a wolf, but hard in that theoretically it should be 2 alive.

but if it's just maple as the last one alive, it would be... too easy? dunno

[insomnia]

it seems maple's worldview was a bit wolfsidey the past 2 days

he sus'd mont, which wolves would probably go for. matter of fact, i think wisdom actually did that

vanta voted wisdom between knights and herself too

just seems real hard to justify not lunching maple today

from his PoV he must either push for 1 wolf alive and it being a tinfoil lunch (ender or grr would make sense as last) but im never killing those two ~probably, so yeah

mechanically we'll lunch as if it's 2 alive, so he should prob think of a 2 man team and the only viable option is ender / vanta (viable as in through poe cuz im just ruling grr out) and it just... doesn't feel right

honestly it'd make more sense if grr was one, but i just think his posting is too good. if he's a wolf then he can put it on me cuz he kinda poked at him all game, but im not lunching him today

so looking forward to what he'll be pushing today Maple

[grr]

ih, where's the interaction where you said maple and wisdom had the same read on me? :P


what. i dont think said that? I think someone else might have said that? I think I more or less read the entire thread again, also admittedly in the latter half it got frustrating so my attention span decreased lol.

insomnia

[grr]

Vote: Maple

[insomnia]

what. i dont think said that? I think someone else might have said that? I think I more or less read the entire thread again, also admittedly in the latter half it got frustrating so my attention span decreased lol.

insomnia

you mentioned like d2/d3 that wisdom and maple both had the same read as in "insomnia is not out of wolfrange" = just flat out refusing to villa read me despite me being obvious

[grr]

i can't even find the words to describe how this game feels to me rn

it feels both hard and easy at the same time. lol

it prob feels easy cuz everyone except for maple is giving me a hard time thinking it comes from a wolf, but hard in that theoretically it should be 2 alive.

but if it's just maple as the last one alive, it would be... too easy? dunno

i have a hard time thinking anything i read came from a villager rofl. (its somewhat hyperbolic but sheesh there is some sinister vibing shit all over the thread and a lot of it came from already flipped villas lol)

[insomnia]

>IH isn't really a strategic wolf imo so i just disagree on the reasoning given and thats why i cant really buy the explanation

this is doing a lot of heavy lifting for your logic on the IH read given the post is less about his strategy and more about his inability to push on a player new to him like newcomb with any amount of sincerity. newcomb isn't katze (or insom or ladd) otherwise i probably wouldn't have made that read, but the dynamic there is and was decently out of his wolf range, particularly early d1 before any lines were drawn in the sand

yeah

idk for grr to be a wolf he'd have to have pulled the snowing of a life time most likely, and also the spew is in his favor

it really looks like a read that someone with meta on grr would give on him, just villa clearing him early knowing the thread would eventually get to that read cuz that's just the sort of villager grr is

[insomnia]

I can see insom really not wanting to die here. Tell me nothing about the game except either insomnia or knights went over d1 and I'd believe you.

I don't think he's actually done anything that puts him out of range, obviously, but you know how it is.

im just re-reading and maybe im being uncharitable, but i really hate this line that maple takes on me

i've already talked about this so i won't go to detail, but it just feels odd for a villager that doesn't really have meta with people to just say this line, and it wasn't just for me, it was for stett too

at a point where it feels like it's really easy to just villa read us /shrug

[grr]

Umm. I dont think I ever said that I said Wisdom was binning you and Sunbae in the same v-read category all the time when that didnt really make sense. That was one of the reasons why I thought Wisdom was wolfing with Sunbae. And if anything then ummm well it kinda made me wonder if I got the wrong one after Sunbae flipped lol!

I'm actually pretty sure i didn't say that insomnia

[insomnia]

100% vibes but Vanta town.

The Lobster is a weird yet enjoyable movie, 8/10.

this looks good for vanta as well

man. bring the $tat$ against me but i just feel like the game could easily end by flipping maple /shrug

if it's 2 alive that does not include maple then i've been outplayed fs

[grr]

Btw you said earlier you thought Vanta wasnt apologetic in this game which is not true:


i went back to read some of their posting and i guess i just can't see it

im not saying i can't be wrong cuz this game is spooky as it is, but im just browsing some posts here and looking at their wolfgame and they just seem really mega stilted there, as opposed to here

another thing im witnessing is that they were really apologetic about their actions that game and they are obviously playing it extremely low this game and not doing that? which makes it feel like they aren't wolfing

fully possible im reading into the wrong things but still, the awkwardness thing i just can't undo

there's just a bluntness in some of the posts they're making and the questions they're asking just make me think there are wheels spinning in their head

i didn't wanna say this line cuz i can be wrong, especially since im really poorly informed about everything in the thread, but if you don't see it i guess it's just experience speaking when gauging different archetypes

hope they fool'd me cuz im admittedly underestimating them

I mean u ISOed them lol.



Apologies to all for not being around for EoD yesterday. My computer screen just went nuts, and since I use it for work I had to stare at it for a few hours. Basically it's flashing, flickering, twisting, and looks like it's having a stroke and/or trying to give me one. It's sporadic so of course when someone who knows what they're doing looks at it it's fine. I just didn't want to deal with it any more than I had to for work.

Anyway, I was looking at the EoD votes and trying to figure out why Dolby got pushed, and I can see it. That claim, or series of claims, and then retraction just looked bad. None of it pointed me at all toward clearing Maple.

I have no idea if I would hvae still been TRing Dolby after reading all that, if I'd been in teh thread at the time.

But anyway we have two dead townies here, one of whom was bent on clearing Maple, and the other who used their last vote on Maple. This makes me really want to resolve Maple, who has been saying for days he would be resolved any minute now, and hasn't been.

[grr]

I could randomly confbias everyone as mafia so its completely useless for me to do so if anyone has any tips i'll gladly take them.

[grr]

I don't understand why Maple had a, what he thought likely to be a killing action card, for several days instead of giving it to one of the lock towns we still had back then.

[insomnia]

Ah that's how I phrased it, makes sense!

Yeah right now I'd say...

Top town
Colonel
Jan
Rask

Leaning town
Ender
Ladd

Probably also town
Arctic
Dya
Insomnia
Stett

Null
Benneh
Knights
Maple
Monte (I still can't recall 1 post from him and always forgets he exists)
Sunbae

Wolf lean
Dolby
Gemma
Vanta

grr missing from this list is riling me up ngl lmao

[insomnia]

didistetter

that was a quick 5 minute read on manti, lol

i definitely have some things that im concerned with. firstly, he's mentioned about twice now that certain things don't put people "out of wolfrange" and it was regarding me and you. this feels like an odd comment to make as a villager on 2 people you have never played with, but it particularly bugs me cuz without meta i thought i was pretty villagery that d1, so the "doesn't put you out of wolfrange" thing looks more like trying to fake consideration for me

also, i've changed my feelings around his ih thing. initially a lot of us thought he was villagery for pushing ih and even ih said so and he portrayed it as manti misreading ih once again, but it doesn't actually really read like a misread. manti just asked a question and once he couldn't make sense of what ih was saying he decided to call him a wolf for it, which fmpov it looks a little premature and isn't an actual read, cuz it's based on ih just not understanding something, so anyone could point out that mistake in ih's posting.

the problem that i have is that if i know i've misread someone 3 times now, i would firstly try to clarify what that person meant before calling them as a wolf. that's what i don't like about manti in that progression, because looking back it kinda looks like leveraging that status of "misreading the person i always do", but he just went on to call him a wolf before any clarifying went down.

if i wolfread someone it's because i feel like their process is so weird that any weird thing i see i'd just see it as villagery as a reflex, so i don't get why manti was calling him a wolf for it. i'd understand if he'd first clarify what ih meant and then have an opinion, but calling him out for some obviously hella weird stuff i doubt would be conducive to a great read, especially when it's obvious there must be a misunderstanding.

hope that makes a little sense. this doesn't really change his stance in my PoE, but i guess im more informed about what he's done this game

this case very much still sticks with me in the back of my mind

[grr]

Wisdom unvoted maple the EoD dolby died and left. Which also looks. weird to me. Why not keep the vote and leave just to buff up a villa wagon? I'm not sure people would have taken much note? Ig it isn't very damning but nya.

--

There was also the way benneh talked about maple that is a bit weird.

not gonna quote it all but specifically these things at SOD3:


Vote: maple


so much for feedback at EOD lol


could be delayed, reactionary, idk

inb4 maple claims she PGO'd someone


so. from wolf bennehs pov, if maple is a villager. he is ~somewhat likely to come out with stuff that might look clearing for him due to his card stuff. so. Why does he blast him so ruthlessly before people even talk? Is that TMI? Is that a wolf who just has the chuzpe to not care if it backfires? I am unsure.

[grr]

grr missing from this list is riling me up ngl lmao

in what way?

[insomnia]

i'd like to kill in benneh / maple today

any other lunch options?

hope he's a wilf so the $tat$ stonks just sky rocket

i'll try not to let it influence me too much :creep:

[insomnia]

theory:

wisdom was catching a ton of heat. claimed a role

her claiming a role made us turn our attention to maple (another wolf). maple claimed his role cuz it'd be the only thing saving him (his posting was definitely not helping) and he always relies on mechs to live his wolfgames (here manti, i can say the same stuff without actually seeing a live game of yours hehe)

at this point, the wolfteam just had to distance by bussing each other. a wolf team that is suspected early and is in a tough spot will bus each other to stay afloat

evidence: wisdom and benneh both reacted suspiciously to manti's claim and had him wolf for it. wisdom wasn't in thread to see the claims going down, but replied to this post


Saw the claim summary above. Maple's posting is pinging me. What's the current vote count?


Yeah makes sense. If there's something who'd fake claim to live another day it'd be Maple. What was the context before he claimed, was he pushed or was it from a safe position in threadstate?

what's her next post?


There is no way Dya's a wolf with that claim. From what I saw they were in a good position after EoD1 and jumping in just to cc Rask for no reason is something no wolf would do.

A few townies would use it as fps but Dya's not that kind of guy*. I think the softs are solid.

But having double vigs who targeted the same slot... sounds like crazy. Like, the only thing that makes sense is w!Rask. Kudos friend, you had me fooled!

Vote: Raskolnikov

*genderless guy

moving off maple and not elaborating on what he's claiming / reading it. no reaction to it

[grr]

I am wildly debating if I spend the next 6hrs collecting stuff for building a towncase on myself. i kinda want to but otoh the game ending on me getting MLed would actually be better than winning if im being real so feels like reverse incentive lmao

[insomnia]

and benneh would bus the both of them because he was the only one who didn't have a role claim and would be in a position to go deep

both manti and wisdom would eventually die because that's typically what happens when the only reason you live is not based on your posting, but based on your claim. if you don't get resolved in the night, you'll be resolved during the day

but dya clutched it up and put an end to a strat that might've saved them


im mostly making these posts just cuz i was re-reading and even though vanta "could" be a wolf due to low posting and not being as active or whatever, i just buy her posting as a clueless villa just trying to surf the thread. she doesn't really fit in the context of how this wolf team played imo

the narrative of "the wolves were getting fucked by d2 and had to bus to stay afloat" just makes much more sense to me

and the people i'd have to consider for a tough world are grr and ender. grr i heavily doubt is a wolf, would probably never vote him. so he's not a deep wolf. the other deep wolf option as a savior for this team would be ender, but he also has too many good posts imo

for vanta i just buy the angle that they're a lost villa. i don't think their posting is wolfy, even though it's lacking. i feel like that's the best case you could make for vanta, that they're lacking and obviously out of it, but i don't feel like that catches a wolf in this context of the game

maple would fit more in my eyes, also as a last wolf member

[grr]

Vote: Insomnia

hold this for me. :curtain:

[grr]

Man im not getting any dinner tonight -.-

[grr]

I made dinner anyway.

fuck

[grr]

does anyone have a link to macdougalls latest towngame i have 6hrs to turn myself into a good player.

[Maple]

fuck my weak ass constitution i hate this

flipping through thread i see im in a *bit* of danger here which is *not good*, hoping my energy comes back in time :boxedin:

[Maple]

Imsom you keep mentioning my between ranges comment. Are you not the same person as Insomnia on MU? Because if you are I really don't get what you're saying. We've both been on MU for *years*, we've played plenty of games together and if I'm remembering right you've played in *several* games I've hosted.

[insomnia]

Imsom you keep mentioning my between ranges comment. Are you not the same person as Insomnia on MU? Because if you are I really don't get what you're saying. We've both been on MU for *years*, we've played plenty of games together and if I'm remembering right you've played in *several* games I've hosted.

like 4 years ago, then you retired

and back then i had a polarizing meta

what about stett, did you play with her?

[Maple]

Just verifying.

And I'm not wasting my limited energy getting into the weeds on this, I think it's a weird angle but I could see you looking at it like that as either alignment.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 1 (EnderWiggin)
insomnia 1 (grr)


whatthistextdo

[EnderWiggin]

You ever wake up staring at the ceiling and think about the mafia game you're in only to remember a read you made previous night and cringe?

Publicly not giving insom a card is the stupidest unpairing I've made yet. Gotta do irl stuff first but honestly I need to reread insom/maple because if w/w then Maple has been giving cards on nights that the original target died like Arctic/Monty.

"Why wouldn't Maple have given partner Insom a card yet" - dumb ender from like 6 or 7 hours ago.

[EnderWiggin]

Grr's also voting insom lol. I'll read up what that's about in a bit. Gotta sort out irl

[grr]

You ever wake up staring at the ceiling and think about the mafia game you're in only to remember a read you made previous night and cringe?

Publicly not giving insom a card is the stupidest unpairing I've made yet. Gotta do irl stuff first but honestly I need to reread insom/maple because if w/w then Maple has been giving cards on nights that the original target died like Arctic/Monty.

"Why wouldn't Maple have given partner Insom a card yet" - dumb ender from like 6 or 7 hours ago.

most of the time I think of extremely funny posts i would make if i wasnt sure they would offend some guy some how.

[grr]

Grr's also voting insom lol. I'll read up what that's about in a bit. Gotta sort out irl

yeah lets be real he outed d1

[grr]

and benneh would bus the both of them because he was the only one who didn't have a role claim and would be in a position to go deep

both manti and wisdom would eventually die because that's typically what happens when the only reason you live is not based on your posting, but based on your claim. if you don't get resolved in the night, you'll be resolved during the day

but dya clutched it up and put an end to a strat that might've saved them


im mostly making these posts just cuz i was re-reading and even though vanta "could" be a wolf due to low posting and not being as active or whatever, i just buy her posting as a clueless villa just trying to surf the thread. she doesn't really fit in the context of how this wolf team played imo

the narrative of "the wolves were getting fucked by d2 and had to bus to stay afloat" just makes much more sense to me

and the people i'd have to consider for a tough world are grr and ender. grr i heavily doubt is a wolf, would probably never vote him. so he's not a deep wolf. the other deep wolf option as a savior for this team would be ender, but he also has too many good posts imo

for vanta i just buy the angle that they're a lost villa. i don't think their posting is wolfy, even though it's lacking. i feel like that's the best case you could make for vanta, that they're lacking and obviously out of it, but i don't feel like that catches a wolf in this context of the game

maple would fit more in my eyes, also as a last wolf member

counter point, her readslist somehow looks like a copypasta of wisdoms readslist. (not like in content but in shape)

[grr]

i feel like vanta is spewed wolf by how much everyone loves her lol. ok maybe im overinterpreting this, but jesus that has been gnawing at me. like give me one reason no one is trying to mislim her rofl.

[grr]

and benneh would bus the both of them because he was the only one who didn't have a role claim and would be in a position to go deep

both manti and wisdom would eventually die because that's typically what happens when the only reason you live is not based on your posting, but based on your claim. if you don't get resolved in the night, you'll be resolved during the day

but dya clutched it up and put an end to a strat that might've saved them


im mostly making these posts just cuz i was re-reading and even though vanta "could" be a wolf due to low posting and not being as active or whatever, i just buy her posting as a clueless villa just trying to surf the thread. she doesn't really fit in the context of how this wolf team played imo

the narrative of "the wolves were getting fucked by d2 and had to bus to stay afloat" just makes much more sense to me

and the people i'd have to consider for a tough world are grr and ender. grr i heavily doubt is a wolf, would probably never vote him. so he's not a deep wolf. the other deep wolf option as a savior for this team would be ender, but he also has too many good posts imo

for vanta i just buy the angle that they're a lost villa. i don't think their posting is wolfy, even though it's lacking. i feel like that's the best case you could make for vanta, that they're lacking and obviously out of it, but i don't feel like that catches a wolf in this context of the game

maple would fit more in my eyes, also as a last wolf member

so if that was the plan, why did he decide to change course and switch to ladd 5 sec before EoD?

[Maple]

Okay I can't backread right now, tried to but that aint working so switching gears and gonna work with what I already have.

[grr]

benneh sniping ladd with that timing and reasoning was always outing for everyone who knows benneh. he decided to out there and then. if the vote isnt enough read his posts for benneh standards its lolcatting.

you're telling a narrative in which benneh could have gotten away with it if dya didn't clutch shoot and umm. no. his time was up after that either way.

[insomnia]

so if that was the plan, why did he decide to change course and switch to ladd 5 sec before EoD?

it's a good point to counter with, but the idea is that he could hide behind the other top village names who had also voted him

also i forget if this was the dayphase where we started giving maple leeway, i think it was after the jan gets the card thing so he was looking better

if the thread changed their view on maple, he also can. plus getting mislunches in this game would be really hard

but your rebutal isn't too good fmpov cuz with the flips thus far, who would be the deep wolf?

you're basically saying maple is v probably, so if he "outed" himself then did he do that with vanta as his last team mate?

i don't think so, it's just wifom really

[insomnia]

i think it's pretty clear this wolfteam didn't have much of a fighting chance

the only instance where that's false would be if ender is the wolf

im just working under the assumption he took a mislunch where he had enough cover to hide behind, otherwise you'd have to tell me if his vote means anything then that makes ender the wolf

you can't decide the wolfteam or partners just from that vote alone

[grr]

would Ladd be more upset at me for misvoting him here if he’s town or me breaking the spaghetti noodles I just put in the water for dinner




Vote: ladd


siw trusting dya here

pasta gods give me strength

i mean... ?

[grr]

(and yes im voting insomnia but im obviously not casing him so that would convince exactly no one even if it was correct so he'd only die here if he was a villa anyway so the vote isn't really serious lmao)

[grr]

it's a good point to counter with, but the idea is that he could hide behind the other top village names who had also voted him

also i forget if this was the dayphase where we started giving maple leeway, i think it was after the jan gets the card thing so he was looking better

if the thread changed their view on maple, he also can. plus getting mislunches in this game would be really hard

but your rebutal isn't too good fmpov cuz with the flips thus far, who would be the deep wolf?

you're basically saying maple is v probably, so if he "outed" himself then did he do that with vanta as his last team mate?

i don't think so, it's just wifom really

i mean. vanta+ender, vanta+you, vanta+maple (ok the last one wouldnt be a deepwolf ig lol).

[Maple]

If you read that day the literal *only* reason I lived is because of Jan stating that he was going to target me. I would have died otherwise, so the entire discussion there is kinda moot. And the only reason I *didn't* die in the night was ben outing in jan's eyes + the fact that he received an inarguably positive action in the medic card.

Those stars aligning caused me to live. So ladd *not* going over kills me, my action not going off kills me, the person with the role being someone *other* than jan kills me. So the idea that I'm a wolf and there's some sort of plan doesn't really work because frankly me living pretty clearly comes down to luck.

The arguments that I can be the deepwolf runs directly counter with the argument that ben was bussing me. In almost any other scenario we *both* die.

[insomnia]

i really think this conversation has no bearing on maple's alignment brav

If you wanna read into it then be my guest. Clearly with syn being dead d1 and wisdom being a dead person walking, "outing" himself is ludicrous no matter which way you look at it

Like if you think he actually had a rational plan and that it was fully rational "outing" there then lol. If you assume that then you must probably think it's ender 99% and ~never vanta cuz she would never win the way she played

No?

That's why it's useless

If the wolves were in a good position then i'd lean into the rational part, but when you're on the grill you must just take risks and the mislunches you get and hope you just live through it. Which is why i don't like your angle on this, cuz the wolfteam had been obviously under heavy artillery all game, it's not like he can afford to sacrifice himself rationally cuz he'd have a deeper team mate or whatever

That's how i view it at least /shrug

[grr]

ultimately I still believe maple has like, the worst relations(?) to... the flipped wolves so i will probs vote him but honestly what skeeves me out is that ur rocking a 4 wolf team but its kinda so silly im not even sure if thats the best you could come up with as wolf lol.

[grr]

If you read that day the literal *only* reason I lived is because of Jan stating that he was going to target me. I would have died otherwise, so the entire discussion there is kinda moot. And the only reason I *didn't* die in the night was ben outing in jan's eyes + the fact that he received an inarguably positive action in the medic card.

Those stars aligning caused me to live. So ladd *not* going over kills me, my action not going off kills me, the person with the role being someone *other* than jan kills me. So the idea that I'm a wolf and there's some sort of plan doesn't really work because frankly me living pretty clearly comes down to luck.

The arguments that I can be the deepwolf runs directly counter with the argument that ben was bussing me. In almost any other scenario we *both* die.

I think it's unlikely there is only 1 wolf left.

[insomnia]

If you read that day the literal *only* reason I lived is because of Jan stating that he was going to target me. I would have died otherwise, so the entire discussion there is kinda moot. And the only reason I *didn't* die in the night was ben outing in jan's eyes + the fact that he received an inarguably positive action in the medic card.

Those stars aligning caused me to live. So ladd *not* going over kills me, my action not going off kills me, the person with the role being someone *other* than jan kills me. So the idea that I'm a wolf and there's some sort of plan doesn't really work because frankly me living pretty clearly comes down to luck.

The arguments that I can be the deepwolf runs directly counter with the argument that ben was bussing me. In almost any other scenario we *both* die.

Nobody is saying you're the deepwolf xD

My point was he was meant to be. Then you gained some credibility and he obviously couldn't just bulldozer you because it would look odd for everyone, not to mention it's better to get a mislunch than bus in a relatively early spot

What was he gonna end up pushing you for? Cuz the only reason was your claim was untrackable / fake, what could he have possibly said after you've proven yourself to the thread

[grr]

I mean the bottom line is, everyone called inso a villager (i am not so sure but just is how it is), ender was highly sussed but seen unaligned with benneh even by the people who sussed him, vanta is ? idk no one cares about him lol.

From my readthrough I think Wisdom never cared about sending appealing posts in maples direction, which is a clear difference to how she treated stetter and me, and also Maple had the only vote EoD1 that could be conceived as directly trying to save the wolf, then their take on Rask d2 was wolfsided (let them live and self-resolve with dya iirc), then uh honestly going forward i dont really remember i think maple kinda just left the building when dolby was killed (said headache or something, fair).

[insomnia]

Maple i've laid out how my worldview looks like and if you're villa, we're in a really tight spot fypov

You probably should have the most urgency out of us and I just can't tell where your head is at

[Maple]

Indeed. I'm trying to go over my notes right now. I think realistically, it just isn't grr here. I don't want to spend too long going over that, but I don't think grr is paired with insom or ender, and i think grr is the player least likely to kill mont last night

and my head is currently like on fire or something, im doing what i can lol

[insomnia]

Like you're legit gonna die in about 2 hours and the only way you make it out is by casing Vanta and / or going for a tinfoil of grr and / or ender

I wish you did that because you delaying it so hard when you've been living in a 2-man team is prettyyyyy bad in terms of us seeing you're a villager (or just me i guess if im the only one thinking like this)

I think you should have said at least something about either of grr or ender by this point, some tinfoiling idk. Cuz i know im not a wolf and your only options are ender / grr / vanta, but im pretty confident grr is a villager.

so really your PoV from my pov (what a sentence to type out btw) is ender / vanta which i feel like you have some ammunition for but you haven't fired anything yet

is this fair?

[Maple]

I mean the bottom line is, everyone called inso a villager (i am not so sure but just is how it is), ender was highly sussed but seen unaligned with benneh even by the people who sussed him, vanta is ? idk no one cares about him lol.

From my readthrough I think Wisdom never cared about sending appealing posts in maples direction, which is a clear difference to how she treated stetter and me, and also Maple had the only vote EoD1 that could be conceived as directly trying to save the wolf, then their take on Rask d2 was wolfsided (let them live and self-resolve with dya iirc), then uh honestly going forward i dont really remember i think maple kinda just left the building when dolby was killed (said headache or something, fair).

im actually annoyed with how all of that went down, i was pretty close to flipping on dolby and teaming up to murder knights -- which *still* would have been incorrect -- but the claim got him killed for strictly speaking correct reasons

but meh i can't really begrudge him that considering other stuff this game lol

[insomnia]

(and yes im voting insomnia but im obviously not casing him so that would convince exactly no one even if it was correct so he'd only die here if he was a villa anyway so the vote isn't really serious lmao)

I mean you're about to vote the guy i've been pushing all day

So that doesn't make you feel any way? Why not vote vanta then?

[EnderWiggin]

I mean the bottom line is, everyone called inso a villager (i am not so sure but just is how it is), ender was highly sussed but seen unaligned with benneh even by the people who sussed him, vanta is ? idk no one cares about him lol.

And yet still somehow people turned around to make me sus lmao.

Benneh literally spent half D1/D2 trying to snipe me (Before wolves were fucked. Syn was ~townread, Wisdom wasn't talked about, for ex when Benneh first tried to get me wagoned with Sunbae. Arguably after D1 wolves likelihood to bus was much higher.)

Just here and catching up with overnight things now. (Yes I saw my name and had to respond shush.)

[Maple]

Like you're legit gonna die in about 2 hours and the only way you make it out is by casing Vanta and / or going for a tinfoil of grr and / or ender

I wish you did that because you delaying it so hard when you've been living in a 2-man team is prettyyyyy bad in terms of us seeing you're a villager (or just me i guess if im the only one thinking like this)

I think you should have said at least something about either of grr or ender by this point, some tinfoiling idk. Cuz i know im not a wolf and your only options are ender / grr / vanta, but im pretty confident grr is a villager.

so really your PoV from my pov (what a sentence to type out btw) is ender / vanta which i feel like you have some ammunition for but you haven't fired anything yet

is this fair?

so right now im basically weighing you vs ender, yes

assuming 2 alive, anyway

grr/insom doesn't really make sense to me and i think grr just isnt wolf

so if we have ender/vanta i think we can assume the general plan is to just bus wisdom, then they need 2 more day kills, presumably 1 is me and the second is a) sunbae b) a hard fought f5, which seems *pretty hard*. I think in theory they could go after you. There's also potentially Knights, considering how the rand went down. The kill on sunbae ends up being decent from the PoV of like every villager outside of me, honestly.

sorry getting back on track

the ender/vanta team has a pool of 3 mls in me/sunbae/knights and clears in insom/grr/mont me/grr then its sunbae/knights | insom/mont as the f5, something like that. So I think an all-in approach on a wisdom bus makes sense in that context especially given both me and sunbae were wildcarding, so a hammer onto wisdom clears 1 player + eliminates a ml + makes them feel a lot safer. The opposite makes grr/insom pretty unlikely, if that makes sense.


So moving on to insom/vanta, I think it basically boils down to solohero insom w/ buses lined up on vanta+wisdom. The early vote on knights and peacing is a little bit weak and risky, unless we want to start pushing on VCA but frankly im the only player alive who does that? So being against me and having me lined up as a ml in that 50/50 while also having that fact makes that line seem pretty awkward. Going over it now, it really does just come down to soloheroing, right? unless there's some PRs we dont know about, but there's no KP left so it doesnt really matter.

mmm

i guess looking at it through that lens, the insom world gets kinda messed up in that way, cause my cards were close and sunbae could have gone either direction before insom left thread for the day, i think. idk, its more of a hopeless move vs someone trying to solo win, i guess. Unless it was thought at the time that vanta could help in a f5 i guess? idk the more i circle over this, the less likely vanta/insom feels on vibes. i mean, what would insom/ender look like? idk it makes more sense to just fakeclaim some other shit and go for a kill in the cards in every case, right? i guess the idea becomes trying to difference check me and go for a win like that, assuming i don't stack with the kp assuming the claim was fakefake.

[grr]

I mean you're about to vote the guy i've been pushing all day

So that doesn't make you feel any way?

Have you met me. (you have.)

[QUOTE=insomnia;2053861009]
Why not vote vanta then?


I have been thinking about it and it's probably what I would do if I was seriously gonna push for that.

[EnderWiggin]

Me: Maple is definitely wolf!

Everyone: Yeah Maple is most likely wolf.

Me: *Narrows eyes* Why is everyone agreeing with me.

[insomnia]

Can I ask why you're so confident on grr?

You said you can't read him and yet you have him village with ease

Feel free to reply or ignore if you feel it won't help, i'm 90% voting you anyway and i don't see how that would change unless you full case ender / vanta

But I just don't think ender is a wolf, so im sorry if that's the team and im gonna mislunch you today

[EnderWiggin]

Either Maple doesn't have a partner or the partner decided to bus after seeing my yesterday?

Idk.

Where was my daystart confidence can someone find that for me lmao.

[insomnia]

Either Maple doesn't have a partner or the partner decided to bus after seeing my yesterday?

Idk.

Where was my daystart confidence can someone find that for me lmao.

I think we're living in the first world even if ih can't explain it

Just in case we're living in the second, I think it's vanta / maple but that would be even more sad than it just being maple

[Maple]

Can I ask why you're so confident on grr?

You said you can't read him and yet you have him village with ease

Feel free to reply or ignore if you feel it won't help, i'm 90% voting you anyway and i don't see how that would change unless you full case ender / vanta

But I just don't think ender is a wolf, so im sorry if that's the team and im gonna mislunch you today

well we both have the same read there so yeah it probably doesnt matter

im basing it off of a lot of things, so if im wrong then oops

[EnderWiggin]

moving off maple and not elaborating on what he's claiming / reading it. no reaction to it

I mean this is basically the modus operandi of Wisdom/Maple since D2 start.

Wisdom spends a LOT of time generically sussing Maple and then just moves on as if they hadn't said it.

Also acts like it's a new sus a few times on D2. It's like one of the reasons I went in on Maple/Wisdom yesterday being a team.

[Maple]

admittedly, the situation *is* pretty dire

lmao

[EnderWiggin]

Like Maple makes sense from all the Spew I read, I'm just scared I'm wrong and handing like Vanta/Insom a win on a platter because I walked into today thinking I was smart.

[EnderWiggin]

Maple being like "I'll come back and nolife!" and then just meh posting and "Oh no, it's dire~" is...

Very wolfy tho.

[Maple]

don't worry it bothers me as much as it bothers you

probably more!

[EnderWiggin]

So if Grr is wolf and I'm losing to Grr + not-Maple, eh.

I think I'm fine with that. I gave it a fair shake and Grr would have to be Goon in that scenario and tbh like, well done?

Lots of snow be there.

So the options are 2 in a pool of Insom/Maple/Vanta.

I think I'm gonna ignore 1 wolf worlds because today can be an ML if I'm wrong in 1 wolf worlds and idc as much.

So explicitly gonna go dive Insom/Vanta and see if I think I could see it.

[Maple]

yeah ender/insom just makes 0 sense to me so its a 50/50

[insomnia]

tbh there's nothing unpairing us

but just the way i've defended them throughout the game isn't how i defend my wolfpartners, but people have a really hard time seeing things of that nature so i wouldn't blame you

probably not even grr can understand what i mean

[grr]

i mean i don't really know how to wing it in endgame situations so i'll just say what i've been reading and

i will be frank when i voted insomnia he clearly was not reading my posts as he wasn't gonna react to them, and that kinda made me feel like hes probs a villa becuz he'd pay attention as wolf lol, and that might be an omega potato read but what can ya do.

idk someone in specchat tell me if thats a reasonable take.

[insomnia]

i didn't want to bulldozer maple here, but it's kinda ludicrous he's spending more time writing thoughts out re: myself and ender when from his pov, vanta should be like at least 90% outed and is the easiest vote to make

lvl 0 that just fuels my team guess of him and vanta, but at the same time does he actually think he can get me mislunched here?

idgi

[Maple]

i dont get what you mean, insom

[insomnia]

i mean i don't really know how to wing it in endgame situations so i'll just say what i've been reading and

i will be frank when i voted insomnia he clearly was not reading my posts as he wasn't gonna react to them, and that kinda made me feel like hes probs a villa becuz he'd pay attention as wolf lol, and that might be an omega potato read but what can ya do.

idk someone in specchat tell me if thats a reasonable take.

I was gonna apologize cuz i wrote those posts on PC when you were talking to me and i was clearly backreading by the quotes i was putting in and i didn't even see you were posting to me like until an hour ago when i got on phone and i was skimming back

But then i didn't want to respond cuz im as it is in a maple or vanta / maple world so it's not like im really defending her

[EnderWiggin]

tbh there's nothing unpairing us

but just the way i've defended them throughout the game isn't how i defend my wolfpartners, but people have a really hard time seeing things of that nature so i wouldn't blame you

probably not even grr can understand what i mean

I'm sorry, you've reached the "Ender doesn't like 'I wouldn't do that' defenses" line, please try again in 3-5 business days.

[insomnia]

i dont get what you mean, insom

you villa read grr

you have 1 in ender / myself

the remainder is obviously vanta who is the easiest slot to wolfcase just cuz they're doing considerably less than anyone alive atp, yet you're not even doing that

idk maybe it's unfair but im just putting myself in your shoes and it's just a detail that seemed really glaring to me. it's odd in either alignment to type more words on myself / ender than to just tunnel vanta here ngl

[insomnia]

I was gonna apologize cuz i wrote those posts on PC when you were talking to me and i was clearly backreading by the quotes i was putting in and i didn't even see you were posting to me like until an hour ago when i got on phone and i was skimming back

But then i didn't want to respond cuz im as it is in a maple or vanta / maple world so it's not like im really defending her

And actually i think i theorized you voting me because i didn't answer but i legit just didn't see them so i didn't even address the vote lol

[Maple]

i don't really get thinking the team is me/grr, ender. We seem pretty thoroughly unpaired. And that rational being to rolecop them, too. I guess the primary level would more or less be "grr claimed i gave them a vig, and then used that vig to make a mildly strange shot onto the sunbae slot", but like *why* would we claim that when - as seen w/ vanta yesterday - its so easy to just claim *literally anything else*.

If grr!w, the reason to claim is because claiming a lie could out them to me. Or maple!w it *is* more or less RNG what item is given out, so it's sorta w/e.

I guess the argument would more or less be "i gave out a gun card to a partner on d2", but it remains that that puts me *so ridiculously far* out of position. Like, why claim arctic and not bop in that case? since bop is like the most *obvious* target for me of all time.

Like, if I'm a wolf there's more or less 0 plan and my actions are more or less random and don't make sense in the context of trying to *win this game*.

[Maple]

you villa read grr

you have 1 in ender / myself

the remainder is obviously vanta who is the easiest slot to wolfcase just cuz they're doing considerably less than anyone alive atp, yet you're not even doing that

idk maybe it's unfair but im just putting myself in your shoes and it's just a detail that seemed really glaring to me. it's odd in either alignment to type more words on myself / ender than to just tunnel vanta here ngl

im trying to solve the game

[Maple]

okay i was gonna say "i have plenty of time to try to get vanta to go over over me" but then i realized that eod is in like

80 minutes

lol

well yes, i think we should swap to vanta over me, obviously

[insomnia]

okay i was gonna say "i have plenty of time to try to get vanta to go over over me" but then i realized that eod is in like

80 minutes

lol

well yes, i think we should swap to vanta over me, obviously

Lollmfao

[Vanta Black]

okay i was gonna say "i have plenty of time to try to get vanta to go over over me" but then i realized that eod is in like

80 minutes

lol

well yes, i think we should swap to vanta over me, obviously

Well I don't think so.

[insomnia]

Well I don't think so.

Lol lmfao

[Maple]

okay im going to try a little AtE first

Yall are talking about the fact that if im a wolf, there's a decent chance that im the last wolf standing. My role is also verified, so the only way i have anything other than my card + the factional is if i have a partner. So a lone wolf Maple world does not end if we ml here.

If I am a wolf with a partner, who is my partner?

1) grr
2) insom
3) ender

If the wolf is one of you three, and we vote out vanta, we lose the game. That being said, yall have more or less narrowed things down to either being *just me* or *vanta + me*. So if we vote out vanta, the game continues, yeah?

And if I'm the last wolf standing, and we vote vanta, the game *still* continues.

So it's safe to do.

But lets keep it a stack. How bad would it feel if we voted me, Maple, out before vanta -- a very clearly safe kill today -- and the game just ends? That dead villager, after dead villager, after dead villager *died* keeping me alive day after day. That 2 PRs, Jan and dolby, died instead of me, keeping me alive.

That would really fucking suck.

And that's the world we live in. Do we want to head into DVC together like that? It'd fuckin blow. So as yall are saying, yall are clearing each other. So what's the difference? Just vote vanta today instead.

And yes, this is perhaps the literal most wolfy line I could possibly take, but cmon, am I *wrong*?

[insomnia]

Manti you're taking 2 polar opposite approaches within the span of a few minutes

You could've either cased a deep wolf

Or you could've pushed vanta

You were aiming for the first with exploring myself / ender, and are now aiming for the second

Can I ask if this is pure self pres or you actually have reasons to wolf read vanta? Cuz if you do, im not sure you said them

[grr]

So if Grr is wolf and I'm losing to Grr + not-Maple, eh.

I think I'm fine with that. I gave it a fair shake and Grr would have to be Goon in that scenario and tbh like, well done?

Lots of snow be there.

So the options are 2 in a pool of Insom/Maple/Vanta.

I think I'm gonna ignore 1 wolf worlds because today can be an ML if I'm wrong in 1 wolf worlds and idc as much.

So explicitly gonna go dive Insom/Vanta and see if I think I could see it.

By the way.

i never claim the sunbae shot if im a wolf. i dont have to. no one could have known i even had a vigshot. in fact, i probably vig the most villagery player and just dont claim it. not like anyone knows where any shots are coming from here anyway.

idk i wish i could solve this game by towncasing myself we would have zero problems then lmao.

[Maple]

anyway

yall, lets put our heads together

i know the spew looks godawful for me, outside of benneh. Yall are still going on about the EoD1 vote, despite the fact that i've explained it a million times, which is honestly *fair*

it was a blunder to not get someone to post a paragraph of meta on it before everyone able to died, oopsiepoopsie

And I know my voting this game has been pretty bad. The votes on knights, me not voting the day dolby died -- yeah, i think those are all the blunders so far, really.

It's all *really* bad. But think about it, it's *so* bad that there's no possible way that I'm a wolf with a line to win, right? Like even right now, if I'm a wolf im absolutely fucked stupid. But my play *does* make sense in the context of an uninformed, absolutely shitass, washed villager. Right? My reads have been on the bad side of mid, my role actions have been just plain *ineffectual*. My day play has been pretty dog, there's been some bad luck and my periods of wim have been annoyingly baron as far as like gameplay things go.

But is that wolfy? Well, yeah, but it isn't the play of a wolf.

[Maple]

Manti you're taking 2 polar opposite approaches within the span of a few minutes

You could've either cased a deep wolf

Or you could've pushed vanta

You were aiming for the first with exploring myself / ender, and are now aiming for the second

Can I ask if this is pure self pres or you actually have reasons to wolf read vanta? Cuz if you do, im not sure you said them

well i was hoping to get the exact team squared away, then switching to winning the 1v1. But uh

i don't have time for that

so im switching gears

[grr]

Vote: Unvote

[insomnia]

well i was hoping to get the exact team squared away, then switching to winning the 1v1. But uh

i don't have time for that

so im switching gears

Did you feel at any point today that ender / vanta was the most likely team?

Or what were your thoughts? Just your feelings coming into today

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 1 (EnderWiggin)


whatthistextdo

[Maple]

Did you feel at any point today that ender / vanta was the most likely team?

Or what were your thoughts? Just your feelings coming into today

so my feelings coming into today were as follows

the thing about mont i posted closer to SoD

i felt it unlikely for grr to be a wolf overall, based on the card claim seeming both real but also totally unnecessary if w

i felt that a vanta/ender team on the day that knights went over is a lil weird given that's a big bus on a day that goes to rand - w/ the asterisk of all of the shit ive talked about wrt that eod over the past few days, ive gone into my thoughts about that in a lot of detail, i think.

i felt that if you are a wolf your last teammate being vanta would imply a need for something a little more longterm.

okay pause, while typing this out i just had a thought

wouldn't it be funny if the card i gave vanta the other day was used to strongman a kill onto mont last night? cause accelerator should make you kill before protects can be activated, so even if mont self-targeted, the kill would still go off. i really should have thought about that yesterday, huh

[Maple]

im gonna need to level with yall

if i go over today, im gonna get ripped to shreds in dvc cause my play this game has been utterly dog

especially if it ends the game in a world of 2

[insomnia]

I guess i can't understand how rn you can't see a vanta / ender team

They're obviously going for the mislunch on you today, no?

I really need you to sell a world manti, if you want to live. You're hedging a ton but it's really not helping

I feel like i'd burst in laughter rn with vanta being awol the entire day and coming at eod to make sure to stay alive and she also said she'd vote you

[insomnia]

im gonna need to level with yall

if i go over today, im gonna get ripped to shreds in dvc cause my play this game has been utterly dog

especially if it ends the game in a world of 2

I agree with this, for reasons posted below

[insomnia]

To be clear im not trying to influence you into anything cuz that team could be wrong

But im trying to place myself in your shoes and i can't understand how you don't have a team to push or at least a singular person that you are more likely to vote for actual posting reasons

[Maple]

I guess i can't understand how rn you can't see a vanta / ender team

They're obviously going for the mislunch on you today, no?

I really need you to sell a world manti, if you want to live. You're hedging a ton but it's really not helping

I feel like i'd burst in laughter rn with vanta being awol the entire day and coming at eod to make sure to stay alive and she also said she'd vote you

i feel like you're misunderstanding something about the things im saying here

i can obviously see a vanta ender team, i even outlined what i think their line was

d5 bus wisdom (knights died in the 50/50 which works great for their purposes, but lets just go based on what the plan was)

d6, the people who didnt go for wisdom look bad, me and sunbae are out of position and votable. They need 2 mls, and that's 2 right there. Additionally, knights is still on the block because despite everything i think its pretty reasonable to try to go for a knights in a f6. So lets say I go over d6.

come into d7 with 6 alive, the ability to vote sunbae>knights>you in descending order w/ one of grr/mont killed in the night, depending on which player is more likely to give accurate reads.

Either ender was looking for something specific in the card he gives vanta, or the card listed was a lie. In the lie case, use that as a difference check against me or perhaps whoever i give a card to the next day or try to vote me out before I can verify it, all of which seem pretty reasonable especially in the world where wisdom goes over first.

[insomnia]

im not misunderstanding anything

your entire PoE is pushing for you to die and there's no righteousness in your play here or someone to push. idk if i had vanta / ender in my poe and vanta came at eod to reply to me like that i'd burst into laughter and just instinctively push her just to live

at least knights went down swinging, you're just begging for your life

idk what level you're on cuz this is odd regardless

[insomnia]

Ih, you've probably read more of the game

Is ender / vanta viable?

[insomnia]

Ih, you've probably read more of the game

Is ender / vanta viable?

ofc if's viable

I mean if it's likely

My impression is that it would fit too easily

[Maple]

Well prior to uh

30m ago i was ignoring my wagon in favour of getting a correct solve so I could identify the villagers who I need to convince and the wolves I need to kill.

World of 2 means we all need to vote together today, after all.

But I don't have the luxury of time here

And hey there's a nonzero chance that the ate "oohhh it'll suck so bad if we lose here" might work lol

My spot is bad and I'm struggling to find good places to push to not die here, so im really emphasizing how pathetic my position is and contrasting that against how much better my position could be made to be if w

[grr]

Ih, you've probably read more of the game

Is ender / vanta viable?

i... uh?? idk i feel like i would have the entire game(that i did read) in my memory rn (which I dont)

maybe there is something wrong with my process and i should take constant notes on every possible team in the future or something.

lmao.

about something else.

I have been wondering why Vanta thought one of the cards he got was a vig (and i believe that was the one he got off... maple?) ummm Ace of Swords or something? So like uh, brother what the fuck why arent we just policykilling everyone who claims a role next time.

but my q. is ig why did Maple give Vanta a card that even remotely sounds like it could be a vig in the first place?

[insomnia]

Vanta popped in for eod just to say that

Unbelievable

This is what I mean, she has like 0 awareness for how she looks lmfaooooooo

[Maple]

Like yes we should kill vanta here because from the pov of every player alive they are likely a wolf, be it as my partner, a solo, one of yall, etc. Villagers swapping before eod would likely force the other wolf assuming it exists to bus, and we'd be onto a f3.

But of the two of us, vanta and I, from yall's pov if one of us are a villager and need to not get got in the f3, it should be me cause I'm far less likely to just straight up die there.

And if yall are going to kill one of us then the other 95% of the time, with the usual f3 reevaluation, then it still makes more sense to kill me second.

[Maple]

i... uh?? idk i feel like i would have the entire game(that i did read) in my memory rn (which I dont)

maybe there is something wrong with my process and i should take constant notes on every possible team in the future or something.

lmao.

about something else.

I have been wondering why Vanta thought one of the cards he got was a vig (and i believe that was the one he got off... maple?) ummm Ace of Swords or something? So like uh, brother what the fuck why arent we just policykilling everyone who claims a role next time.

but my q. is ig why did Maple give Vanta a card that even remotely sounds like it could be a vig in the first place?

I had vanta as v prior to reevaluation.

But also, that's a good point. If we're w/w it's INSANE for us to openly claim that shit.

[Vanta Black]

i... uh?? idk i feel like i would have the entire game(that i did read) in my memory rn (which I dont)

maybe there is something wrong with my process and i should take constant notes on every possible team in the future or something.

lmao.

about something else.

I have been wondering why Vanta thought one of the cards he got was a vig (and i believe that was the one he got off... maple?) ummm Ace of Swords or something? So like uh, brother what the fuck why arent we just policykilling everyone who claims a role next time.

but my q. is ig why did Maple give Vanta a card that even remotely sounds like it could be a vig in the first place?

I knew the card was not a vig but if the Ace of Swords isn't a vig, I mean, what does it sound like? "The ace signifiies a brreakthrough or a new way of thinking." Well, it's a modifier, not a role. I do not know what Maple thought it was. Or why Maple picked me instead of someone else.

[Maple]

You two have both wolfed with me.

Grr, you remember me coaching you through your fake claim? You remember how hands-on I am when it comes to partner interaction, and cheerleading the team, and generally just constantly talking in wolf chat

Does a me/vanta world feel like that?

[Maple]

I knew the card was not a vig but if the Ace of Swords isn't a vig, I mean, what does it sound like? "The ace signifiies a brreakthrough or a new way of thinking." Well, it's a modifier, not a role. I do not know what Maple thought it was. Or why Maple picked me instead of someone else.

I was hoping for specifically a cop check, to be fair. A check or a difference would have been *lovely*

[grr]

I knew the card was not a vig but if the Ace of Swords isn't a vig, I mean, what does it sound like? "The ace signifiies a brreakthrough or a new way of thinking." Well, it's a modifier, not a role. I do not know what Maple thought it was. Or why Maple picked me instead of someone else.

yea my question is why did maple look in the "swords" category in the first place when giving you a card. like its not what i'd do, cuz. I wouldnt want you to end up with a vigshot somehow. but honestly the mech is just kinda annoying me (cuz its kinda... too much LMFAO) we should have just killed everyone claimed anything.

[EnderWiggin]

Insom/Vanta annoys me.

Because there's nothing like... pairing. But also nothing unpairing. Insom mostly soft-clears her a bunch later on.

Eh. I could argue that's pairing actually. But that feels like a stretch that I'd have to assume something to get a clear link out of.

[insomnia]

Vote: Maple

sorry if wrong bronana

[grr]

I had vanta as v prior to reevaluation.

But also, that's a good point. If we're w/w it's INSANE for us to openly claim that shit.

ok fair point tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

Like yes we should kill vanta here because from the pov of every player alive they are likely a wolf, be it as my partner, a solo, one of yall, etc. Villagers swapping before eod would likely force the other wolf assuming it exists to bus, and we'd be onto a f3.

But of the two of us, vanta and I, from yall's pov if one of us are a villager and need to not get got in the f3, it should be me cause I'm far less likely to just straight up die there.

And if yall are going to kill one of us then the other 95% of the time, with the usual f3 reevaluation, then it still makes more sense to kill me second.

See my biggest problem here is that you claimed you were trying to solve the game but like...

Everything in thread rn has been more about you trying to stay alive than solve.

Even when you were "solving" you were saying some vague things about like "Idk if Ender/Insom works" and then no discussion or clear idea of why or what you were thinking about.

You just put statements about it in thread.

[EnderWiggin]

If Maple is V and I've confbiased myself, well it sucks.

But idk every time I go doubting myself I see a set of Maple posts and re-convince myself it's right.

[Maple]

I get I'm sort of arguing against one of the things I was saying is a reason to spare me but let the record show that the claims so far this game dont have my fingers on them, when you get down to it.

Why did wisdom claim 2shot? I've been saying it since the day of the claim, that doesn't *reaaaally* make sense vs a full arso and undermines the claim.

Plus the stuff yesterday.

And besides, if I'm wolf after Ben dies I'm tightening that ship, we're in deep shit and Jan just died protecting me. Why would I play so passively? Even when I have the opportunity to be in thread, my gameplay has been passive and focused almost entirely on solving. I'm not even really pushing outside of key moments. I'm not burying people. Like if I'm a wolf, my only reasonable wincon is the village eating itself, but i don't have the longevity for that.

[insomnia]

If Maple is V and I've confbiased myself, well it sucks.

But idk every time I go doubting myself I see a set of Maple posts and re-convince myself it's right.

if you're a wolf then i dont think someone has ever snowed me like this before

So gg

I think im sold that you and grr are villagers. In that world it's either vanta / maple or just 1 in those two and the lunch doesn't matter today cuz game would not end

But mostly i think maple is just the solo wolf alive, no matter how wild that sounds

[Maple]

yea my question is why did maple look in the "swords" category in the first place when giving you a card. like its not what i'd do, cuz. I wouldnt want you to end up with a vigshot somehow. but honestly the mech is just kinda annoying me (cuz its kinda... too much LMFAO) we should have just killed everyone claimed anything.

I didn't think nl would make the ability distribution so obvious. And I think I'm being shown to be correct.

[Maple]

See my biggest problem here is that you claimed you were trying to solve the game but like...

Everything in thread rn has been more about you trying to stay alive than solve.

Even when you were "solving" you were saying some vague things about like "Idk if Ender/Insom works" and then no discussion or clear idea of why or what you were thinking about.

You just put statements about it in thread.

Eod is in 23 minutes and there's a decent chance it ends with us losing

I need us to swap ASAP

I've changed gears, as it were

[EnderWiggin]

if you're a wolf then i dont think someone has ever snowed me like this before

So gg

I think im sold that you and grr are villagers. In that world it's either vanta / maple or just 1 in those two and the lunch doesn't matter today cuz game would not end

But mostly i think maple is just the solo wolf alive, no matter how wild that sounds

I'm ngl.

The main reason I keep having doubts is you being like "Maple lunch makes sense! And there's probably only 4 wolves!"

Which is a great line if you/Vanta just want Maple out.

[Maple]

Insom, my role is confirmed. I can only give other people gifts. If I'm solo wolf I cannot win today.

If I'm v, we realistically have a high chance of losing.

God one of yall being village sucks lol

[Maple]

I'm ngl.

The main reason I keep having doubts is you being like "Maple lunch makes sense! And there's probably only 4 wolves!"

Which is a great line if you/Vanta just want Maple out.

Literally what I'm saying. I'm a defenseless little baby, let's punt someone with an actual wincon instead

[Maple]

vote: vanta

Grr, at least humor me here. If you swap at :69 and I die, so be it. But let's be real, this day has been on one track the entire time and I KNOW you can feel how ominous that is.

[EnderWiggin]

Literally what I'm saying. I'm a defenseless little baby, let's punt someone with an actual wincon instead

Insert butterfly meme "Is this ATE?"

[Vanta Black]

yea my question is why did maple look in the "swords" category in the first place when giving you a card. like its not what i'd do, cuz. I wouldnt want you to end up with a vigshot somehow. but honestly the mech is just kinda annoying me (cuz its kinda... too much LMFAO) we should have just killed everyone claimed anything.

If I'm picking I'm going with "Cups" just for the sound of it. But I wasn't picking.

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 2 (EnderWiggin, insomnia)

Vanta Black 1 (Maple)


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[Maple]

Insert butterfly meme "Is this ATE?"

Yes, I literally said I'm using ate this eod keep up

[insomnia]

Insom, my role is confirmed. I can only give other people gifts. If I'm solo wolf I cannot win today.

If I'm v, we realistically have a high chance of losing.

God one of yall being village sucks lol

You can not win today, i agree

You can win tomorrow

[EnderWiggin]

Yes, I literally said I'm using ate this eod keep up

Lmao. Well at least you're honest about it.

[grr]

vote: vanta

Grr, at least humor me here. If you swap at :69 and I die, so be it. But let's be real, this day has been on one track the entire time and I KNOW you can feel how ominous that is.

Can you explain why you ruled out ender/inso again? I think you did I just forgot.

[Maple]

You can not win today, i agree

You can win tomorrow

Then kill me tomorrow.

[grr]

If I'm picking I'm going with "Cups" just for the sound of it. But I wasn't picking.

yeah I cant go into that anymore pre EoD. its a lot of detailed shit i just had a short glimpse at the wikipedia page today.

[Maple]

Can you explain why you ruled out ender/inso again? I think you did I just forgot.

Enders play around the PR + their divergent handling of wisdom slot

I think insom parking and running on a day where w!ender would want to coordinate a bus makes it seem improbable.

Granted if they're w/w were already sort of fucked here lol

[Maple]

I think ender is more likely w than insom just cause I think insom busses there

That or missed eod for nai reasons I suppose lol

[grr]

Vote: Vanta Black

probs changing back just want to look like im thinking about it to not be rude (for my defnese, I AM thinking about it the thing is just eod crunch hours really bring out the worst in me)

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 2 (EnderWiggin, insomnia)
Vanta Black 2 (Maple, grr)


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[Vanta Black]

Vote: Maple

I don't like EoD crunch much either.

[Maple]

I think ender is more likely w than insom just cause I think insom busses there

That or missed eod for nai reasons I suppose lol

To clarify, insom knows he's going to bed so I assume would drop the final vote of the day before going to bed so the vote on knights is basically ~forced in a way. As w a wider approach makes sense if your last two partners are vanta wisdom

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Vanta Black

:curtain:

[insomnia]

el oh el

[grr]

vote: vanta

Grr, at least humor me here. If you swap at :69 and I die, so be it. But let's be real, this day has been on one track the entire time and I KNOW you can feel how ominous that is.

lmao yeah obviously it doesnt FEEL RIGHT i just dont make gut decisions in non-turbs usually becuz i can live better with what i decided before than clowning last minute. maybe its another of my flaws cuz thats clearly what contributed to knights dying.

[grr]

Vote: Vanta Black

:curtain:

26785

[Visor]

Players Votes

Vanta Black 3 (Maple, grr, EnderWiggin)
Maple 2 (insomnia, Vanta Black)


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[insomnia]

dvc probably screaming at me how i can not just snap vanta here

either that or im the goat for not voting her here

[Maple]

The entirety of this games mechs are a crapahoot at the end of the day

I'm excited to see the full breakdown, but fuck I'm awful at kill dodging lol

[grr]

if insomnia pretended to be asleep to get ladd and knights killed i would laugh.

[Maple]

Idk insom I wish I could have a solve on you but it's tough. Do you agree with my bussing hypothesis? You strike me as the type to go for the solohero after Ben dies, but you haven't commented on that, as opposed to other bits of what I said

[insomnia]

if insomnia pretended to be asleep to get ladd and knights killed i would laugh.

now that would be elite

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Maple

Nah I want Maple out lol.

[insomnia]

Idk insom I wish I could have a solve on you but it's tough. Do you agree with my bussing hypothesis? You strike me as the type to go for the solohero after Ben dies, but you haven't commented on that, as opposed to other bits of what I said

It's really not tough, which is why im voting you

[Maple]

if insomnia pretended to be asleep to get ladd and knights killed i would laugh.

Tbf probably actually just asleep regardless of alignment, but that means the selected votes matter more when taken into the context of when they're placed.

[insomnia]

And no, i would be thankful i randed wolf in this team so i can powerwolf and either end up dead early and not be in this spot or to clutch it up with my breaux

[grr]

btw inso before the day ends you should remind these fine gentleman to not misyeet me in f3 if it comes to such a thing (if this logically doesnt make sense its cuz its uninformed)

[Maple]

Well hopefully it's a world of 1 lol

[grr]

becuz IF u are villa and its 2 wolves left AND its not over in 3 minutes u would likely be gone tomorrow lmao

[insomnia]

btw inso before the day ends you should remind these fine gentleman to not misyeet me in f3 if it comes to such a thing (if this logically doesnt make sense its cuz its uninformed)

Grr is not to be voted

-the voices of all people who have meta on him

[Maple]

Idk I *get* killing me here but I think a more objective standpoint would see just how not wolf I am here lol

But it's a fine line between antitown and wolf so whatever

[EnderWiggin]

becuz IF u are villa and its 2 wolves left AND its not over in 3 minutes u would likely be gone tomorrow lmao

Pls don't take my death from me.

If Maple flips red I wanna die so I don't have to deal with F3.

[Maple]

Meow meow meow

Sorry yall wish I didn't get sick so often

[grr]

Vote: Maple

sorry if wrong, to everyone. GGS etc if it ends

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 3 (insomnia, Vanta Black, EnderWiggin)
Vanta Black 2 (Maple, grr)


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[Maple]

God I'm gonna get annialted in post

[grr]

I tried.

[Maple]

Wahhh

[Visor]

Players Votes

Maple 4 (insomnia, grr, Vanta Black, EnderWiggin)
Vanta Black 1 (Maple)


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[Visor]

GG all, wolves (Ender, Vanta) win.

Thanks all for playing, truly appreciate it.

Will post roles etc tomorrow.

[nebjiamn]

gg yall

wp wolves, especially ender with the carry

[grr]

GGs lol. I mean kinda glad I found inso but :D

[katze]

cool setup

i thought the 6 wolves in a 22er was a bold inclusion but i guess insomnia being lost evened it out

[nebjiamn]

roleset was very very cool and seemed pretty balanced. shame rask didn't get to pop a few more shots off.

much appreciated for hosting visor, ty