Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

[Andres]

why not?

Unvote : Xdeathfire

EDIT: I'll quit this game as you called it, if we only lynch the confirmed guilty one, Xdeathfire.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Wait, if there are more abstains than normal votes, what will happen?Voting for Abstain is classed as having no preference as to who ends up lynched. When it comes to the end of the phase, abstains are in effect neither counted nor considered relevant.

~:)

Gah! GH beat me to it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

why not?

Unvote : Xdeathfire

You are basically proving you aren't pro town. If you're an innocent wise guy then your death isn't significant--especially since we're taking down 3 other suspicious people.


EDIT: I'll quit this game as you called it, if we only lynch the confirmed guilty one, Xdeathfire.

Why on earth would we want to do that? It's much to the advantage of the town to lynch as many people as they have good reason to suspect as they can. We have 15 mafia to lynch + however many wiseguys join them. Unless we get lot's of crosskills we need to lynch more than one.

Also scottishranger is confirmed guilty as well.

[The Stranger]

count or sasaki please edit vote... rather you count...

[CountArach]

why not?

Unvote : Xdeathfire

EDIT: I'll quit this game as you called it, if we only lynch the confirmed guilty one, Xdeathfire.
What is they say about a Townie always going quietly...?

Unvote: GH

[shlin28]

Xdeathfire: 4 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Sasaki Kojiro)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, TinCow, Caius)
Sigurd: 4 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret, Sasaki)

Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)
TosaInu: 1 (KukriKhan)

Abstains: 8 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen)

Not voting: 42

[KukriKhan]

So y'all think a tosaInu vote is a wasted one. I don't understand the tactic of getting a non-player to post in the thread, but, OK.

Unvote: TosaInu
vote: Andres

to re-even it up.

Xdeathfire: 5 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Sasaki Kojiro, Andres)
GH: 5 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites, CountArach)
Andres: 5 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, TinCow, Caius, KukriKhan)
Sigurd: 4 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret, Sasaki)

Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)


Abstains: 8 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen)

Not voting: 42

[shlin28]

Actually... the poll was already evened... you just unvevened it :embarassed:

[KukriKhan]

so what is the real tally?

[Drisos]

Gah, Andres, please admit defeat and be lynched. gah!

if he 'plays this game' we'll eventually have to lynch only him in order to quit the game. otherwise he'll keep messing up the voting..

and, someone, please get a correct tally going! gah... we shouldn't mess this up!! :sweatdrop:

[CountArach]

I unvoted. It is now 5 for Andres and Xdeath and 4 for the other two.

[Ironside]

Vote: Abstain

I'll let you more active guys figure exactly how many we're going to lynch today.

About Louis, I did recive this quite early on.


Hello Ironside!


Shall we see if we can be of mutual assistance?

My role is, shall we say...flexible. Yours?

I did interpret it as a wiseguy and it could only be a probing, as proclaimed wise guys are probably the type with most viable options (and thus getting something else than "I'm a townie", while probing), but it's certainly something worth taking into consideration with the failed protection group on Glenn.

So Louis, what actually is your role?

[Charge]

Kukri needs to unvote, all four will have 4 votes then

[KukriKhan]

unvote: Andres
vote: abstain

[Makanyane]

I'm going
vote:abstain
for now, basically in favour of the four lynches if we can get them.

Will change vote if necessary when someone sorts out the tally numbers.



Though the fact that Andres is actively changing vote doesn't bode well for this succeeding! Hopefully he realises if he doesn't submit to towns wish that four lynches will be best result, he will realise he will be only one lynched tomorow!

[pevergreen]

I will not use an alternate .org identity for any aspect of a mafia game and will restrict myself to the identity used in signing up for the game for all communication relating to that game. Note: multiple identities is against org policy and may draw unfavorable attention from moderators and administrators.

To my understanding, whoever got Tosa to post that was breaking this rule?

Also happened in a pm to Sarathos.

[Caius]

To my understanding, whoever got Tosa to post that was breaking this rule?
It could have been Tiberius.

[TinCow]

Vote: Abstain

I'll let you more active guys figure exactly how many we're going to lynch today.

About Louis, I did recive this quite early on.



I did interpret it as a wiseguy and it could only be a probing, as proclaimed wise guys are probably the type with most viable options (and thus getting something else than "I'm a townie", while probing), but it's certainly something worth taking into consideration with the failed protection group on Glenn.

So Louis, what actually is your role?

Ug, I'm getting a bad feeling about this. I feel like I need to remind people that Louis VI is the Director for the next two lynchings. If he is mafia or mafia-wannabe and we submit a tied vote to him, he could let off any of his cronies that he wants. It may be in our best interests to avoid a tie and simply pile on to the person we feel is the biggest threat. I know a multi-lynch is appealing, but by doing so we even run the risk of having no one lynched at all. I would prefer the absolute rather than the chance.

We definitely need to start picking better Directors. :wall:

[Charge]

And it wasnt confirmed that chewy/TP same person yet..

Can we lynch director at all though?

[scottishranger]

Alright, Here is my tell all post. Some people might believe this, some might not.

I am townie, plain and simple. Anyone in our "private group" can agree, I approached Pannonian with an offer of a protection group on Night 1, but when he declined I was forced to look elsewhere for a bit of excitement. I can post my role description if people want it, but I don't think it would be particulary wise to offer that up to the Dones so easily. During Day 1, Zorg approached me with an offer to join in a private group. I said I was interested, but I was wary of getting in over my head.


This is one last message before I send out our Night orders for Night 2 (ie. now). I have found out that to work as a group all members names must be known by all other members.

I'm sorry I didn't realise this before. Since this is the case it means all members will know each other. I hope this won't cause any problems for anyone, but I just wanted to inform you before doing so.

I trust you guys, and I hope you trust me too. As such, I'm going to be completely honest and blunt with you. I can only hope that you will agree with me and continue on with this group.

This group is essentialy a mafia in the making. I want to form a new mafia family to win the game with, and I want you guys to share this victory with me. My starting role was a Wise Guy, and from what I gather you guys are mostly Wise Guys or Townies. As a group we can come up from underneath the game and win. It won't be a walk in the park, but I'm confident we can do it. I hope you had already guessed these group intentions already.

I trust you will keep this secret and remain loyale to our cause. I'm putting my trust in you as a sign of allegiance, I hope in time you will all return the favour.

If no one has any complaints, I will be sending out our first target (someone rather low profile and unlikely to be defended) asap.

- Zorg

This is the pm Zorg sent to all of us. As you can see, we intended to rise up from underground and suprise everyone with a new mafia family.(And we would have gotten away with it to if it wasnt for you pesky kids and your stupid dog:clown: ) We killed Lord Winter becuase he was inactive and an easy kill. Then it all went downhill...

When Hannibal Barca was lynched by you guys, it sent us all reeling a bit. Holmes got to us. Thankfully, we still had enough people to carry out a night kill and get us townies promoted to Wise-guys. That night though, all of our plans kind of came apart. We targeted Cauis, and Zorg sent us all our orders. Then we found out that we had failed because Xdeathfire had failed to send in orders in time. Now I could take his explanation to heart, or really nothing else. Then we found that Zorg had been killed by a mafia. I do not know why he was killed.

That brings us to now. I had no idea Chimpyang was informing on us. I dont bear him ill-will, I just wish to say good job. There was no one else in our group, we still havent recruited anyone new.:shame:

Once again, I am a townie. Granted, now I am a guilty townie, but I am a townie nonetheless, and I still wish to help the town.

[Andres]

You are basically proving you aren't pro town. If you're an innocent wise guy then your death isn't significant--especially since we're taking down 3 other suspicious people.



Well, let's add you to the suspicious lynch candidates then. You want as many people to get lynched as possible :inquisitive: Only Xdeathfire is confirmed guilty. I really don't understand why you are in such a hurry to lynch as many people as possible.

The advantage of the town lies in its' numbers.

Only the mafia wants alot of people dying as soon as possible. The town can take its' time because they are in the majority.

So I say, we only lynch Xdeathfire.

Vote : Xdeathfire

Sasaki says: we lynch four or five people at a time, only one of them is confirmed guilty. Do this for three or four rounds and the town has lost :wall:

[CountArach]

To my understanding, whoever got Tosa to post that was breaking this rule?

Also happened in a pm to Sarathos.
I don't know. I think your definition of "Alternate identity" is strange. To me it implies multi-accounting, which we can be fairly sure did not go on here.

[Caius]

If you want to help the town, why would you kill me, if I am a plain townie?

[Charge]

they not exactly wanted to help town... Said willing now?

[Tratorix]

If you want to help the town, why would you kill me, if I am a plain townie?

What he meant is they want to help the town now that they've been caught. :beam:

I'll Vote: Abstain for now.

[Drisos]

Gah. Scottishranger. Killing is inexcusable. You will be lynched.

Either be mafia, or be pro-town. There's no way back.

And Andres, the fact that lynchees aren't confirmed mafia, doesn't they aren't.. and you're quite obviously guilty of whatever anti-town, so if we're going for solid lynch, I'd say, scottishranger, xdeathfire, and you.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Got it. :jumping:

I would like to thank the electorate for the sign of confidence they gave me. Serving as your director is an honour and a distinct pleasure. It is my firm belief that any elected offical must spoil his electorate rotten. Hence, I present you with the following, courtesy of me and one other player.

Stracchi family.


The 'Ballerina shoes' mafia.


Don: Omanes Alexandrapolitis

Luca: Dutch_Guy

Made: Tran.



Kills:
N1: Drisos. Tran and Andres.
N2: Failed attempt on GH.
N3: Pannonian. Tran and Louis.
Sorry, lads.

However, with this family now mortally wounded, I suggest we lynch a more imminent threat:
Vote: GH

Uh, Andres was my partner. If at all possible, would you mind me not having to lynch him? Thanks.


I might post later about some other fun stuff. Been a busy PM day. ~;)


A tous, je veux dire: par notre volonté collective, tout est possible.


Tally:

GH: 6 (Louis, ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites, CountArach)
Xdeathfire: 5 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Sasaki Kojiro, Andres)
Andres: 5 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, TinCow, Caius, KukriKhan)
Sigurd: 4 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret, Sasaki)

Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)


Abstains: 8 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen)

Not voting: 41

[Chimpyang]

I back up scottishranger's post for its truthfulness, I know that he is a townie, the way that he has been PM'ing me suggests of his innocence. Xdeathfire I suspect to be a wiseguy but cannot confirm, did not have much contact with him. Zorg for definite should have been a wiseguy, unless he was trying to play us off, but we'll see on that issue!

@Caius, I have no idea why you were the target, Zorg sent the orders out, I had favoured Pannonian myself, but the target was to be you.

If anyone wants to investigate me due to any links I have built up over this (I'm thinking Sasaki in particular..that's at you Andres), fine, I'll should show up as guilty - kill on Lord Winter.

[Chimpyang]

Gah. Scottishranger. Killing is inexcusable. You will be lynched.

Either be mafia, or be pro-town. There's no way back.



Actually, now that we are broken up, it is in our favour to be pro-town. We are short of wiseguy role, and the publicity means we will not find others to collaberate with. Meaning our best chance for victory is pro-town.


Edit : I thought the director couldn't vote on lynchings?

[Charge]

directors cant vote ~;p

[GeneralHankerchief]

Omanes, I should flame the crap out of you for having the stones to constantly put pressure on me and at the same time order a hit on me*.

However, since it's clear that Louis will not lynch Andres, I'd appreciate it if you shifted some votes from him over to Xdeath.

*if his story is true.

[Sigurd]

Your tally is wrong... Tran's vote is not there.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm my first thought is to believe louis and congratulate him. Of course I want to see all of the pm correspondence promptly to ensure no foul play.

[TinCow]

I disagree with targetting Xdeathfire. I think that given the new information, we should be aiming at Omanes Alexandrapolitis, Dutch_Guy, and Tran. Since they have been revealed, they will certainly kill at least one of us tonight since they have nothing left to lose. We need to lynch at least the Don and a Made/Luca to prevent them from killing any more of us.

This should be priority #1. If we do not get them all right now, one of us will die. We can prevent this death with a quick change in lynchings. We can deal with the others tomorrow, as they are a lesser threat. We may even want to consider switching a confirmed and trusted protection group over to a vigilante kill group to help the town get rid of them faster.

I would also like to add that given Louis VI's statements, I think Husar should be cleared of any suspicion.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I disagree with targetting Xdeathfire. I think that given the new information, we should be aiming at Omanes Alexandrapolitis, Dutch_Guy, and Tran. Since they have been revealed, they will certainly kill at least one of us tonight since they have nothing left to lose. We need to lynch at least the Don and a Made/Luca to prevent them from killing any more of us.

This should be priority #1. If we do not get them all right now, one of us will die. We can prevent this death with a quick change in lynchings. We can deal with the others tomorrow, as they are a lesser threat. We may even want to consider switching a confirmed and trusted protection group over to a vigilante kill group to help the town get rid of them faster.

If Louis shows some PM correspondence, I'm all for this idea.

If he does this then I shall vote for Omanes out of pure vengeance.

[CountArach]

Hmm my first thought is to believe louis and congratulate him. Of course I want to see all of the pm correspondence promptly to ensure no foul play.
I would also like to see the evidence. No need to name names Louis (though if you do then I am sure someone would protect them), but still - posting up PMs would be great.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'll unvote:Sigurd, vote:Omanes


The reason I'm convinced louis is telling the truth is that my source is in fact a made. Andres is right when he said he should have turned up guilty night 1. That explains his reaction entirely. I would be completely amazed if louis had come up with a story that explained everything just on the fly like that. I do wonder if louis and andres hadn't planned to keep with the mafia side of things until the :daisy: hit the fan though. I think we must keep them in protection groups for some time.

The made in question is my buddy and I won't be giving an clues as to his identity so don't ask. I'll repeat that I am a townie though.

[Charge]

Tally 1538

Xdeathfire: 5 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Sasaki Kojiro, Andres)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, TinCow, Caius)
Sigurd: 3 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Omanes: 1 (Sasaki)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

Not voting: 38!!!

this should be correct one..
oops

[Kagemusha]

I dont see Louis doing anything else, then throwing more bones to the crowd, with tens of suspects, we will start forgetting some.Louis before giving out more suspects, please first tell us your version about the protection of Glenn, that went wrong while three of you claimed to protect him?

[TinCow]

Louis just sent this PM out. It provides his explanation. I make no comment on whether it is true or not.


Glenn ; JimBob ; Husar ; Leet Eriksson ; TinCow ;


Hello,


I was out and about hunting mafia with Andres last night. Hence, it was I who did not send in the last PM.

After I found four people willing to protect Glenn, I could go ahead with killing Pannonian. Had to gain the trust of the family and have them reveal themselves to me. I could not speak of this earlier, because I was in the process of uncovering the names of the don and luca. I could under no circumstance endanger this, not even through PM.

This is why there were four of us in the protection group. Me, and three real protectors. Alas, one PM was not send in time.

Why did I have to lie that I was in there? Well...you try telling people to protect Glenn when most are not convinced of his innocence, eh? Only to then not join yourself. Some of the three protectors had serious doubt. I do not think Husar would've joined if I wouldn't have lied that I was in myself. Husar can confirm to all of you, that it took me some very long PM's to convince him not to protect *****, but Glenn.

Still, we paid a high price. It was not suppossed to go wrong. Three people were supposed to have been protecting Glenn. I organised it, so it is my responsability.

My apologies then to all of you.

On the upside, The Stracchi's are now done for.

[Sigurd]

Yours is wrong Charge... Sasaki's is right -1 on Sigurd :2thumbsup:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Tally 1542

Omanes: 1(Sasaki)
Xdeathfire: 4 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Andres)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, TinCow, Caius)
Sigurd: 3 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

Not voting: 38!!!


Priority should be to lynch dutch guy and omanes. xdeathfire can wait although that would be bonus.

[TinCow]

Since Sasaki got the ball rolling on the vote changes:
Unvote: Andres
Vote: Omanes Alexandrapoites

[Warluster]

Good; we are saving ourselves much work by hanging them all now. I suspect two of the accused due to the reasonung proposed by others.
Vote: Andres
Even if he is innocent; it is better to be sure then to not be. With Andres on 4 that makes a triple lynch which will help us a lot.

Tally:

Omanes: 2(Sasaki, TinCow)
Xdeathfire: 4 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Andres)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, Caius, Warluster)
Sigurd: 3 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed), )

Not voting: 37!!!

[Sigurd]

Hey!! no updating of votes.
First unvote then vote

[GeneralHankerchief]

The made in question is my buddy and I won't be giving an clues as to his identity so don't ask. I'll repeat that I am a townie though.

:inquisitive:

I'll ignore this glaring logical flaw for the moment and

Unvote: Xdeathfire
Vote: Omanes

...and urge everyone else to do so.

[scottishranger]

Vote: Omanes



Tally 1547?

Xdeathfire: 6 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Sasaki Kojiro, Andres, scott)
GH: 5 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites, CountArach)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, Caius, KukriKhan)
Sigurd: 5 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret, Sasaki,Tran)

Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)


Abstains: 9 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Warluster.)

Not voting: 40




If you want to help the town, why would you kill me, if I am a plain townie?
That was why we tried. We knew you would have no protection.

Anyways, I doubt youll forgive me, but thats the truth.

[Pannonian]

Well, let's add you to the suspicious lynch candidates then. You want as many people to get lynched as possible :inquisitive: Only Xdeathfire is confirmed guilty. I really don't understand why you are in such a hurry to lynch as many people as possible.

The advantage of the town lies in its' numbers.

The advantage of numbers rests in the amount of leeway the town has in making mistakes and yet surviving them. In a game where people can be promoted to mafia, this leeway is balanced by the ability of the scum to add to their numbers. In Capo 1, the town destroyed one family and gutted another in the early game, and this gave them time to bear through the recovering second mafia family and another up and coming family. If there are a fair number of reasonable suspects, it may be wiser to get them all at once, rather than letting them live and potentially propagate new mafia members.


Ug, I'm getting a bad feeling about this. I feel like I need to remind people that Louis VI is the Director for the next two lynchings. If he is mafia or mafia-wannabe and we submit a tied vote to him, he could let off any of his cronies that he wants.
The last time that happened, there was a tie between The Stranger and Director Sasaki in Capo 1. Sasaki sent TS, and only TS, to the execution, but was lynched by an overwhelming majority the very next round. If Louis plays silly buggers with the execution choices, he'd better have a bloody good explanation for his choices, or he'll face certain execution the next round.


I don't know. I think your definition of "Alternate identity" is strange. To me it implies multi-accounting, which we can be fairly sure did not go on here.
I think TosaInu is another of TruePraetorian's alt accounts, created specifically for Capo 2.

[Proletariat]

You gotta be kidding. Are letting GH off the hook again? Kill him this round and everyone that's apparently in the Stracchi family!

Edit: Realised we're not letting him off the hook

[CountArach]

Vote: Omanes

Might as well tie it up with everyone again.

[Chimpyang]

Vote : Omanes

Guilty as charged, Louis is in too much of a spotlight to shy away if this all goes wrong.

Ok change to the above

Unvote: Vote : Abstain

Ok back to Omanes again - by Sasaki's count in 1558

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Tally 1552

Omanes: 5(Sasaki,Tincow,GH,chimpyang,countArach)
Xdeathfire: 3 ( Shlin, Charge, Andres)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, Warluster, Caius)
Sigurd: 3 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

Not voting: 38!!!



Keep the tally straight people. We'll probably need at least a three vote margin considering they could all vote in a block to save themselves. It will take luck to pull off a double lynch.



I suggest that scottishranger,chimpyang,andres and louis be made into a townie vig group. Let's have them kill Tran tonight.

Agreed?

[Charge]

Unvote: xdeathfire Vote: Dutch Guy
either tran or dg...

[Kagemusha]

Unvote, vote: Dutch Guy

[TinCow]

I fully agree with Sasaki's plan. It may also be a way for the gray-area players (like scottishranger) to prove themselves. If they kill every night exactly as the town tells them to, they will clearly be under our control and can gain some trust back. If any of them fails to aid in the vigilante group killings, we can lynch them the next day.

[PershsNhpios]

Ha ha! Hooray! I was right! Everybody look at me I was right about Tran!

However, I was certainly wrong about Omanes.

I can vouch for Louis - I don't like the fact he has sacrificed the integrity of my group to do this, but at least the Stracchi family being marched to the gallows.
I can also vouch for the fact it is far more likely that Husar or Leet Eriksson - who both wanted me dead - would be more capable of betrayal than Louis.


I would like to point at Rythmic who has been noted by myself and by Holmes, yet forgotten.
Also, Proletariat, who simply wants GH dead in almost every post without reason.
Then there is Kagemusha, who obviously thinks my suspicion of him dangerous enough to keep mentioning me.

Highly recommended awards go to, FactionHeir and CrazedRabbit for explicitly showing the same behaviour as Rythmic, who has been detected as suspicious by Holmes.

But, perhaps this last piece of information is incorrect.
Is Kommodus always this inactive?

[Husar]

Unvote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
Vote: Tran

Well, let's tie up the entire family then and not just one guy. Also in before I'm drunk. ~D

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Tally 1552

Omanes: 5(Sasaki,Tincow,GH,chimpyang,countArach)
Dutch Guy: 2(Kagemusha,Charge
Xdeathfire: 2 ( Shlin, Andres)
Tran: 1 (Husar)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, Warluster, Caius)
Sigurd: 2 ( Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

Not voting: 38!!!

Currently the strachi's could put up 7 votes on Andres. So until a few of them vote we need to add votes to Omanes. At least 2 on Omanes and 5 more on Dutch guy, let's leave tran to the vig's.

[seireikhaan]

Well, with Loius' reveal, I'll follow Sasaki's advice and Vote: Omanes.

[Husar]

Currently the strachi's could put up 7 votes on Andres. So until a few of them vote we need to add votes to Omanes. At least 2 on Omanes and 5 more on Dutch guy, let's leave tran to the vig's.
No, we just need to unvote Andres.:dizzy2:

[Northnovas]

Well, with Loius' reveal, I'll follow Sasaki's advice and Vote: Omanes.

I would have to agree with the Louis reveal;

Vote: Omanes

[Andres]

Unvote ; Vote : Dutch_guy

Sorry for abusing the good relationship we built up in Mafia VI buddy.

I hope we can still be friends after this :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, we just need to unvote Andres.:dizzy2:

We don't know if those people will come online in the next two hours.


Tally 1560

Omanes: 7(Sasaki,Tincow,GH,chimpyang,countArach,NorthNovas,Kamikhaan)
Dutch Guy: 3(Kagemusha,Charge,Andres)
Xdeathfire: 1 ( Shlin)
Tran: 1 (Husar)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, Warluster, Caius)
Sigurd: 2 ( Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

Not voting: 38!!!


Now we can start voting for Dutch Guy

[gibsonsg91921]

Unvote: Andres, Vote: Omanes

My suspicions should be overruled by the probably actual evidence that better players have uncovered.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Don't be silly, people. Omanes' family is already done for. Do not vote Omanes!

The other family's members are having a ball right now. They are trying to bndwagon the vote away from their ownmembers towards a mafia family that is already dead.

[Sigurd]

Correct Tally:

Omanes: 7 (CountA, GH, Gibson, Kamikhaan, Sasaki, Scottish, TinCow)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Omanes, Proletariat, TruePretorian)
Sigurd: 3 (Elite Ferret, Ichigo, Tran)
Andres: 2 (Caius, CR)
Xdeathfire: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Dutch_guy: 2 (Charge, Kage)
Tran: 1 (Husar)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 13 (BSR, Chimp, Craterus, Haudegen, hiji, Ironside, Kukri, LittleGriz, Maya, Sarathos, Warluster, w&f, Xehh II)
Not voting: 33 !!! (32 w.o. Louis)

[Lt. Pinard]

Vote: Omanes

Might as well join the bandwagon. Besides the evidence present makes him seem pretty guilty to me. But the way this game is going everyone seems guilty and a liar.

Omanes: 7 (CountA, GH, Kamikhaan, Sasaki, Scottish, TinCow, LtPinard)
GH: 4 (ajaxfetish, Omanes, Proletariat, TruePretorian)
Andres: 3 (Caius, CR, Gibson)
Sigurd: 3 (Elite Ferret, Ichigo, Tran)
Xdeathfire: 2 (Andres, shlin28)
Dutch_guy: 2 (Charge, Kage)
Tran: 1 (Husar)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 13 (BSR, Chimp, Craterus, Haudegen, hiji, Ironside, Kukri, LittleGriz, Maya, Sarathos, Warluster, w&f, Xehh II)
Not voting: 32 !!! (32 w.o. Louis)

Damn thread is way too active

[Chimpyang]

Ok, last post before sleep....my position is to Unvote : whatever has gone before Vote : Omanes, deal with the rest later...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You sure that's right sigurd?


Don't be silly, people. Omanes' family is already done for. Do not vote Omanes!

The other family's members are having a ball right now. They are trying to bndwagon the vote away from their ownmembers towards a mafia family that is already dead.

This is wrong, the stracchis can kill tonight unless we lynch two of them.

[Husar]

Unvote: Tran
Vote: General Hankerchief

There are people who can still think and told me to do that.

[Sigurd]

You sure that's right sigurd?


I just did a monster job putting the votes into my spread sheet from Midgard saga.
It should be correct. Alas... two people edited their votes (yes I am looking at Sasaki and Charge) It would be best to just make a new post unvote and then vote again...

BTW Omanes should have 9 now with the votes of Lt.pin and Chimp

[Charge]

Andres - voted DG (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832640&postcount=1562)

[Proletariat]

We need to three way tie GH with any two of the Stracchis. Anyone who botches that triple lynch for the town should be killed the next day.

[Louis VI the Fat]

You sure that's right sigurd?



This is wrong, the stracchis can kill tonight unless we lynch two of them.Suspiciously poor strategic thinking, Sasaki. :inquisitive:

Yes, the Stracchi's can and will kill. But, it is not the killing that is the problem with mafia. It is finding them that is. The Stracchi's are done for already. Maybe they have a few scores to settle with other families as well.

People, if you believe that Omanes is a don, then do not vote for him. Simple as that. Is GH going to escape the rope again?

Edit: listen to Prole.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:dutch_guy

Tally 1571

Omanes: 8(Tincow,GH,chimpyang,countArach,NorthNovas,Kamikhaan,Lt pinard,gibson)
Dutch Guy: 4(Kagemusha,Charge,Andres,Sasaki)
GH: 5 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites,Husar)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit,Warluster, Caius)
Xdeathfire: 1 ( Shlin)
Sigurd: 2 ( Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

Need three more on dutch guy. One can switch from Omanes. However, we can't put any more on GH because then dutch or tran could mess it all up.

[CountArach]

I'm listed as Abstaining as well as voting Omanes. I am just voting Omanes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Suspiciously poor strategic thinking, Sasaki. :inquisitive:

Yes, the Stracchi's can and will kill. But, it is not the killing that is the problem with mafia. It is finding them that is. The Stracchi's are done for already. Maybe they have a few scores to settle with other families as well.

People, if you believe that Omanes is a don, then do not vote for him. Simple as that. Is GH going to escape the rope again?

Edit: listen to Prole.

Nope you're completely wrong. We aren't lynched xdeathfire remember? if he joins them they can make it two kills. That's possible two townies or maybe two pro town roles. There's no excuse with giving a mafia family the power to kill.

[Husar]

Nope you're completely wrong. We aren't lynched xdeathfire remember? if he joins them they can make it two kills. That's possible two townies or maybe two pro town roles. There's no excuse with giving a mafia family the power to kill.
Yeah, he'll surely join a dead family....

[norwegian nerd]

Vote:Abstain

I need to catch up in this thread. Anyone want to give me a quick recap?

[GeneralHankerchief]

We need to three way tie GH with any two of the Stracchis. Anyone who botches that triple lynch for the town should be killed the next day.

Hi Prole. ~:wave: Evidence?

No, I didn't think so.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, he'll surely join a dead family....

They aren't dead. No reason to let extra townies die.


Vote:Abstain

I need to catch up in this thread. Anyone want to give me a quick recap?

Sure, vote for Dutch guy he's definitely mafia.

[Caius]

Unvote:Andres
Vote:Dutch_Guy
Keep tie between Omanes and Dutch Guy.

[Kommodus]

Holy crap. :drama3:

Unvote: Rythmic
Vote: Dutch_guy

While I am still strongly suspicious of Rythmic, the opportunity to stamp out a family is too good to pass up. Louis, I'm not sure what you're arguing. If we know who the Stracchis are, our best option is to wipe them out. Otherwise they get to keep recruiting, keep killing, and possibly become strong again - like the Tattaglias in the first CDTC. A destroyed family = fewer kills = more time to find the rest of the bad guys.

At least Hannibalbarc was guilty... though I actually thought I'd got a Made or a Luca. :shrug:

Tally 1571

Omanes: 8(Tincow,GH,chimpyang,countArach,NorthNovas,Kamikh aan,Lt pinard,gibson)
Dutch Guy: 6(Kagemusha,Charge,Andres,Sasaki,Caius,Kommodus)
GH: 5 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites,Husar)
Andres: 2 (CrazedRabbit,Warluster)
Xdeathfire: 1 ( Shlin)
Sigurd: 2 ( Ichigo, Elite Ferret)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

EDIT: Corrected for Caius' vote.

[norwegian nerd]

Evidence?

[Dutch_guy]

Well, it seems things are going downhill fast. I'm not even going to address that of which I'm currently being accused. It would make no difference whatsoever. I don't know how Louis managed to think up and execute this little scheme of his, but I'm sure the rest of the living have the brains to figure that one out and punish him for it.

Anyway, I'm going to use my last breath to vote for GH. I'm quite convinced he's not who he says he is (...and I'm sure at least half a dozen of you find this ironic) and we'd be better off without him.

A quick edit: I'd also like to see Andres and Louis strung up for their betrayal, but I don't quite expect to have a say in the matter.

------------------------------------------------

Tally 1572

Omanes: 8(Tincow,GH,chimpyang,countArach,NorthNovas,Kamikh aan,Lt pinard,gibson)
Dutch Guy: 6(Kagemusha,Charge,Andres,Sasaki,Caius,Kommodus)
GH: 6 (Dutch, ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites,Husar)
Andres: 2 (CrazedRabbit,Warluster)
Xdeathfire: 1 ( Shlin)
Sigurd: 2 ( Ichigo, Elite Ferret)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))


:balloon2:

[Tratorix]

Unvote: Abstain, Vote: Dutch_Guy

As long as we get Dutch_Guy, Omanes and Tran will most likely be killed tonight.

[Caius]

That means that we have 1 family down + Louis and Andres.

[TruePraetorian]

My god, alot of vote changing.

I still keep my vote. We should seriously stop bandwaggoning Omanes and even out the tally. If we can kill at least one stracchi, they would still be powerless...no doubt that the luca would be protecting the don in a last ditch effort.

[Andres]

Just in case I die tonight, this is a recent pm conversation with Kommodus:




I know you are a Wiseguy. Our family has opportunities for you.

Then what you "know" is wrong. :stare:


If you wish to join us, the family will ask you to kill together with another wiseguy. After three succesful kills, you will have the opportunity to become a Made Gangster and you'll be part of our family.

Please, accept this offer.

Ciao,

Andres.

It truly boggles the mind that you would make this offer to me, of all people. :dizzy2:

Read the thread.

Louis and I already succesfully found one entire family.

Since I was under suspicion at the time, I sent those pm's, pretending to be a desperate mafioso. We thought it might be a good way to find ourselves some "evil" wiseguys to lynch tomorrow, before starting the big show in the thread.

Your answer was... interesting.

A.

What's it going to be Kommo? You claimed Wiseguy in the thread, yet in private you say you're not a Wiseguy...

[CountArach]

Didn't Kommo claim townie?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, kommo claimed townie...

[Sigurd]

1586
Omanes: 9 (Chimp, CountA, GH, gibson, Kamikhaan, Lt.Pin, NorthN, Scottish, TinCow)
Dutch_guy: 7 (Andres, Brave, Caius, Charge, Kage, Kommo, Sasaki)
GH: 6 (ajaxfetish, Dutch, Husar, Omanes, Proletariat, TruePretorian)
Sigurd: 3 (Elite Ferret, Ichigo, Tran)
Andres: 1 (CR)
Xdeathfire: 1 (shlin28)

Abstains: 12 (Craterus, Haudegen, hiji, Ironside, Kukri, LittleGriz, Maya, NN, Sarathos, Warluster, w&f, Xehh II)
Not voting: 30 !!! (29 w.o. Louis)

Ok.. the one I posted before had some slip past.
This should be correct as of post number 1586

[Xiahou]

vote: GH

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@Sigurd: Brave sir robin and caius voted for dutch guy and dutch guy voted for GH.

[Caius]

I dont get your list.

[TinCow]

What's it going to be Kommo? You claimed Wiseguy in the thread, yet in private you say you're not a Wiseguy...

This is completely inaccurate. I just re-read every single post Kommodus has made in this thread, and he never said that he was a wiseguy. Why are you still throwing accusations around when you have the perfect opportunity to prove yourself trustworthy and re-integrate into the town?

[GeneralHankerchief]

vote: GH

Care to explain that vote?

Or are you trying to save your Stracchi buddies?

[Sigurd]

@Sigurd: Brave sir robin and caius voted for dutch guy and dutch guy voted for GH.
fixed... (I think)
This is going to be hard for Seamus keeping up.

[Andres]

I stand corrected.

It was Omanes who told me Kommo was a Wiseguy:




Yep, go ahead. Tran cannot work with Louis. We could try a three player kill, but I would prefer to avoid revealing too much to any newly recruited player at such an early stage.You know what? I'm going to die anyway. I'll contact BKS, WH and Ichigo. They are Wiseguys. Agree?




No - that could result in a mass number of fake wise guys trying to get into our ranks. I would rather avoid that.

Contact Kommodus. He also claims wise guys status.Should I recruit in the thread as well?


EDIT: fixed quote tags

[Caius]

Care to explain that vote?

Or are you trying to save your Stracchi buddies?
How do you want to die, mafia member?

Obviously if you want to die. If you don't, please give us names, and we'll see.

[Louis VI the Fat]

vote: GHCare to explain that vote?

Or are you trying to save your Stracchi buddies?Come on, GH. At least try to look innocent while your mates are diverting attention away from you.

Xiahou is not in any way implicated with the Stracchi family.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I wouldn't mind seeing a second invetigation on Kommodus.

The first one showed him as 'criminal'. Kommodus climed this must've been a mistake. If a second investigation shows him as criminal again, we can be sure he is.

[Drisos]

I'm not buying this just yet. Louis gives no evidence/whatever at all, plus this:


However, with this family now mortally wounded, I suggest we lynch a more imminent threat:
Vote: GH

why is he an imminent threat? that's nonsense.

Seems like we're supposed to believe the story just because Sasaki does and start a bandwagon on Omanes? Ok, I'll add you to the lynchee list, Sasaki.

Of course, if Louis comes up with PM's, and Sasaki with a name, there's no problem, all this may be true. But this far (you both haven't been convinced innocent) you're only having town lynch people without any trace of proof..

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to have to unvote, vote:GH

Some things bother me. My initial reason for trusting the reveal is innaccurate after rethinking. And now louis is refusing to post or send me the pm's with the stracchi family. If you just post them I'll switch back.

[Drisos]

I wouldn't mind seeing a second invetigation on Kommodus.

The first one showed him as 'criminal'. Kommodus climed this must've been a mistake. If a second investigation shows him as criminal again, we can be sure he is.


Now your getting the attention of detectives away to kommodus, while he wasn't begin spoken of at all for a while? :shame: :no:

gah, you're all scum! all of you :yes: :smash:

[Caius]

This is why you have to trust in someone that is a townie. We will have to lynch Andres and Louis in 2 days, days that can be bloody ones.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Also, louis's insistance on leaving the stracchi family alive is highly suspect. If they don't post the pm's promptly I'll have to believe they were lying.

Updated tally:

omanes:9
gh:8
dg:7

[Sigurd]

I am going to retire for the night... 2 am will be too long for me waiting. (GMT+1)

vote:GH to even up the score.

[Drisos]

Ok people, well... seems like we're all jumping on the bandwagon anyway.. (started by Louis' ungrounded claim for a mafia family.. it could just be a campaign for saving others, and getting townies killed, scary thought)

We should keep a few guys in sight though... I still think Andres is a lynch priority. Fruthermore, GH and Louis should go down. I'll wait with yelling about Sigurd this time, if we lynch Andres etc I'll get to see their roles and know for sure.. we also have some vigilant group members and some wise guys that better shouldn't stay alive, but they can wait. Let's also not forget about strange behaviour of TruePraetorian and also, Norwegian Nerd. He made a mistake about his PM at the very start..

[Louis VI the Fat]

I will not open my PM box.

I am quite sure some Stracchi's will be lynched. Their roles will show me correct. By all means, test it.

From the looks of it, we can get a double lynch on GH and Omanes. This would be perfect.

[Proletariat]

Also, louis's insistance on leaving the stracchi family alive is highly suspect. If they don't post the pm's promptly I'll have to believe they were lying.

Updated tally:

omanes:9
gh:8
dg:7

Louis' didn't 'insist' on anything, he pointed out the other families are using this flurry of posts and votes to their advantage. As soon as you realize you can't save GH from going down with the Stracchis, then you become skeptical?

:inquisitive:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm done defending myself in front of you people.

In a few days you'll see that I was not affiliated with any families whatsoever.

For the last time, there is no proof towards any of your allegations against me.

I claimed Wiseguy privately to Kommodus before Andres posted it in the thread, which he can confirm.

I know I'll get lynched, but I want all of you to apologize for doing so once I am revealed to be innocent, starting with Prole. No apology, no help from me in the endgame. Got it?

[TinCow]

Do I need to remind people that if we leave both Dutch_guy and Tran alive, they will certainly kill another townie tonight? Dear god, people, at least pump Dutch_guy's votes up.

[Drisos]

I will not open my PM box.

do so, right now, please.


I am quite sure some Stracchi's will be lynched. Their roles will show me correct. By all means, test it.

three days waiting for evidence is too long. if you're scum and launching a bandwagon without proof on townies, and the nights keep going like last one, soon there won't be much pro-town left..


From the looks of it, we can get a double lynch on GH and Omanes. This would be perfect.

and why? even if you're not lying, we should get a double lynch on the family. I don't see GH as priority, since I still haven't seen a solid case against him. Andres though,... I still think he should be lynched a.s.a.p.

[Craterus]

Hmm, not that it's worth much:

unvote, vote Andres

Didn't he just admit to being part of a family too? :huh:

[Drisos]

pm



Louis,

since I'm confirmed innocent, you can trust me.

please pm me your role pm, and any evidence from the pm'ing of today that got you to this information.

and quick, because I'm going to sleep soon.

I'm willing to trust you, yet, you have to prove what you're saying..

cya
DPointless. I am a wiseguy. The PM can be found in the thread already.

I exposed the mafia family that killed you. This is, as you shall soon find out, the truth.

ok,

so, still, I think this case is far from solid. our nice quadruple lynch is messed up, and we're voting for people only named guilty by a few people, which we suspected before. I think we're making a big mistake. DG and Omanes shouldn't be lynched just yet. GH, perhaps... Andres is a certainty. Louis and GH would be nice to get rid of as well, we'll see later on if this 'found out family stuff' is really true.

btw, we can't really trust the combination of kommodus and andres in a pm convo, right? remember kommo claimed the 1 out of 7 chance to appear other then innocent?

I say, get votes off dg and omanes..

I'm sorry if I'm making big mistakes here. Though, I don't trust this entire affair, and someone has to do something against the bandwagoning...

edit: 1.22 am.. I'm off to bed. may gardian angels be with you in the night. :shame:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will not open my PM box.

I am quite sure some Stracchi's will be lynched. Their roles will show me correct. By all means, test it.

From the looks of it, we can get a double lynch on GH and Omanes. This would be perfect.


Nonsense. Andres was going to be lynched and you were soon to follow before you posted that story. I believed it for some wrong reasons. Now I am asking for proof and you aren't giving it. It would have been quite easy for you to fabricate the entire thing. I find it suspicious that you are calling for them to be left alive will Andres is pm'ing me asking me to vig any of them that aren't lynched. I sent Andres pm's asking for his correspondence and he read them but did not reply.

I'm sorry GH, you've never been my favorite for a lynch candidate but you're the only option at this point.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I should also add that when I asked louis for the pm's he told me he couldn't send them because he didn't know my role, but now he refuses to send them to drisos as well. Scummy scum scum.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm sorry GH, you've never been my favorite for a lynch candidate but you're the only option at this point.

Am I?

Out of all the people that received votes this phase, I'm the only choice left?

Is this just because of time issues (almost 30 minutes) or something else?

-edit- Up for a quick bandwagon on our Director?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Am I?

Out of all the people that received votes this phase, I'm the only choice left?

Is this just because of time issues (almost 30 minutes) or something else?

-edit- Up for a quick bandwagon on our Director?

Just because of time issues. If a bandwagon on louis or andres materialized I'd jump on it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just because of time issues. If a bandwagon on louis or andres materialized I'd jump on it.

Let's start it then.

Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Louis

[Drisos]

time issues indeed.

Perhaps you can get an Andres lynch in time? or louis.. both should be lynched soon.. :balloon2:

I think this is the entire plan of Louis and Andres (remember we suspected THEM before this all came up) to mess up our votes, get townies lynched, and so greatly messing up town and helping mafia.

Sasaki's off my list again.

ok, good luck, townspeople, you can do it! :2thumbsup:

[Craterus]

It would be easier to vote Andres. But I'm suspicious of both so I guess I could stick around and see which takes off.

[Proletariat]

For God's sake....


:wall: :wall: :wall:

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, Andres it is.

Unvote: Louis
Vote: Andres

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:louis

Though I doubt a bandwagon will materialize.

Oh I see, unvote,vote:andres


VVthat makes it omanes:8, andres:5

[FactionHeir]

vote:Andres

[Drisos]

He's at three votes now. Get six more, or so.:whip:

edit: 5.. good good, you might make it.

let me say again (as a confirmed detec.): andres is guilty no matter what.. we're not certain of louis or the socalled family to be guilty... but andres is a good lynch anyhow. pick him, until we get some clearance from louis. (or not, and lynch him too)

[Craterus]

Actually, 5. Crazed Rabbit did not unvote him. According to a tally a page or so back.

Me, GH, CR, SK, FH

[Louis VI the Fat]

It is now perfectly obvious that you are scum, Sasaki.

Here's the deal: lynch Omanes. If it turns out that he was not the don, lynch me.

If it turns out that he was, lynch Sasaki.

I should hope that every single person in this thread writes this post on a post-it and sticks it to his monitor. And will lynch either Sasaki or me in three days time.

[John86]

unvote: Abstain

Vote: Omanes

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It is now perfectly obvious that you are scum, Sasaki.

Here's the deal: lynch Omanes. If it turns out that he was not the don, lynch me.

If it turns out that he was, lynch Sasaki.

I should hope that every single person in this thread writes this post on a post-it and sticks it to his monitor. And will lynch either Sasaki or me in three days time.

So let me get this straight. You spent a week pulling off an elaborate sting against a mafia family. It was wildly successful. You had the chance to get two of the members lynched. But you Refused to do some simple copy and pasting to do so, even with your partners life on the line? It's painfully obvious the pm's don't really exist.

[Proletariat]

First Sasaki tries the edit-vote-switch (which Seamus added a rule against), then he miscounts the tally (which Sigurd pointed out), then minutes before the deadline he and GH start an absurd bandwagon and they both abandon any effort to keep the tally format that's been used the whole game.

FoS: FactionHeir and Craterus

[GeneralHankerchief]

If you check my posts in this thread you'll note that I never add a tally.

Finally, I ask again: Where is your proof?

[LittleGrizzly]

im willing to believe louis and check it out in 3 days but i don't see why your innocence would indicate scummy behavior from sasaki, it is scummy behavior itself

can someone do a tally so i can tell if i need to vote...

[Proletariat]

If you check my posts in this thread you'll note that I never add a tally.

Finally, I ask again: Where is your proof?

You're a criminal and your defense has been weak and resigned all game, the only time you offer anything protown is when there's pressure coming down on you. Now right before the dead line you're trying anything. Whoever said it above hit the nail on the head, you mafia types never go quietly, eh?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Nonsense. Andres was going to be lynched and you were soon to follow before you posted that story. I believed it for some wrong reasons. Now I am asking for proof and you aren't giving it. It would have been quite easy for you to fabricate the entire thing. I find it suspicious that you are calling for them to be left alive will Andres is pm'ing me asking me to vig any of them that aren't lynched. I sent Andres pm's asking for his correspondence and he read them but did not reply.

I'm sorry GH, you've never been my favorite for a lynch candidate but you're the only option at this point.
You have been sending too many PM's to your minions around in the last hour, Sasaki. :beam:

Or you should instruct them better. Tell them not to mention that you are behind it, when you are claiming otherwise in the thread.:smash:

Or maybe you should simply spend less time obfuscating the thread with your mafiosi nonsense, and pay closer attention.

From Andres PM inbox:


Hello,
What do you think of the Vig group idea as proposed by Sasaki? I know you don't trust the guy, but I've run a background check through VERY accurate sources and it's all clear. Take out Louis' last target?

Chimpyang

[Sasaki Kojiro]

GeneralH isn't mafia...he's a wise guy.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You have been sending too many PM's to your minions around in the last hour, Sasaki. :beam:

Or you should instruct them better. Tell them not to mention that you are behind it, when you are claiming otherwise in the thread.:smash:

Or maybe you should simply spend less time obfuscating the thread with your mafiosi nonsense, and pay closer attention.

From Andres PM inbox:

I suggested that in the thread in giant text :smash:

But I guess you caught me being secretive!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832603&postcount=1552

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The point I was making was that you were suggesting we spare them because it's just the thing a mafioso wouldn't do, while your partner in crime was doing just the opposite in private. A good cop bad cop routine. As I said to andres I was in favor of vig groups when I thought they were guilty.

Also, don't think no one noticed you ignored this post:



So let me get this straight. You spent a week pulling off an elaborate sting against a mafia family. It was wildly successful. You had the chance to get two of the members lynched. But you Refused to do some simple copy and pasting to do so, even with your partners life on the line? It's painfully obvious the pm's don't really exist.

[KukriKhan]

One minute to go, and I have little idea where we stand, except Omanes gets lynched.

Not a real cooperative bunch are we?

[Hannibalbarc]

At least Hannibalbarc was guilty... though I actually thought I'd got a Made or a Luca.
I was innocent the first time you accused me but then I joined the group that killed Lord Winter.

[Husar]

CAN'T we just tie Omanes and GH at least?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting concluded. Summary to follow as quickly as possible.

Night Phase #4 has begun, PMs are due no later than 2100 14 Feb 08 (which is 0200 GMT the following day).

[GeneralHankerchief]

I hope Louis at least honored my last request.

We'll see...

[Husar]

AAAARGH

See drunkards' thread in the backroom for reference....

[TruePraetorian]

Can we please keep a tally?? Can we have house rules that after every vote there is a tally??

And Prole...first you accuse GH, and I was fine, but now FactionHeir and Craterus? GH is right, where is your proof? I have read from page 51 to 55 today, and nowhere do I see your reasons..I'm not suspicious of you I just want to know where you are getting reasons to accuse people.


EDIT: Changed font so you guys could see it better.

[Husar]

*imagine edited out rant of a drunk guy*

TP, GH is a wise guy, how many wise guys are actually pro-town in your mind?
Maybe you have a very rosy view of things or maybe you've just recruited GH, but I'd actually feel safer without some of the wise guys, or maybe I'm just drunk, you be the judge(not just TP).

[TruePraetorian]

Husar, I didn't mean to support GH if thats the case..so my mistake if thats what the post looks like. I was just calling for a tally after every vote and asking where prole gets her reasons from (im not suspicious prole, would just like to "get in" on the info so i can make a better vote from a different prespective).

I openly say I don't support GH, actually I voted to lynch him.

[Proletariat]

There is no 'proof,' remember this is mafia here. There's investigations and behavior. Both come up scumscumscum with GeneralH, and I'm a little surprised that after the last few posts by Sasaki and him before the dead line anyone still thinks they could be protown.

Here is where I posted my reasoning against GH most recently, it hasn't changed since, only become more solid.

For the few people asking why I voted GH with no explanation, it was because I didn't have much time yesterday, but I wanted to make sure my vote got in.

I'm voting GH for two reasons; he's a criminal and he's not helping the town. Just about all his posts so far consist of, 'No, I'm not mafia. Dunno what else to say' or weak accusations like 'So far Sig and The Stranger seem the most scummy'. Who knows, maybe Sigurd is mafia, but that's the best you can come up with in this massive thread so far? I'm just not buying it. GH is way too skilled of a mafia player for me to think he's putting his best effort into a townie win when looking at his fairly paltry posting so far.

Also, Tiberius might be scum, I have no clue. It doesn't look good for him right now, but the guy leading the charge against him, Pannonian is also criminal. Why are we blindly trusting him? Because of one PM he's brought forth publicly?

When you find out great players like GH or Pan are criminals, they have to go, imo. They can be useful townies in death if they really have the town's interests in heart, but if they are mafia scum, you're leaving them alive with very powerful roles (remember, these two are criminals. That means at best a neutral wise guy, or at worst a made or a luca.)

-Post 1188


I haven't accused Craterus and FactionHeir, but I do think their votes are suspicious because of...

We need to three way tie GH with any two of the Stracchis. Anyone who botches that triple lynch for the town should be killed the next day. -Post 1573

...what I said there.

edit: spelling

[TruePraetorian]

Ah,thank you. I remember seeing that post but I was skimming a little and yours was a little big :laugh4:
And as for FH and Craterus I thought I might have missed the reason somewhere in this vast thread...but couldn't find it. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Kommodus]

Ok, I don't trust Andres at all.

I logged on intending to rat him out for attempting to recruit me, only to find that he has pre-empted this by posting our PM conversation, claiming that his initial message to me was a ruse intended to bait "evil" wiseguys. This is possible, but it's also possible that he knew I was about to post his PM and decided to do some damage control. It wouldn't seem so suspicious if he came clean about it first, would it? :inquisitive:

And now Louis, who Andres claims to have helped find an entire family, is refusing to provide the necessary proof to Sasaki or Drisos? :dizzy2:

Other points:


Highly recommended awards go to, FactionHeir and CrazedRabbit for explicitly showing the same behaviour as Rythmic, who has been detected as suspicious by Holmes.

But, perhaps this last piece of information is incorrect.

FactionHeir: No.

Crazed Rabbit: Wrong again. Though as I've stated before, I think he has a role other than townie; I'm just not sure what. I hope he gets investigated.

Remember that I am measuring behavior quantitatively.


I claimed Wiseguy privately to Kommodus before Andres posted it in the thread, which he can confirm.

I am not sure which of Andres' posts you are referring to here.

EDIT: One last question:


Lynch xdeathfire he's confirmed mafia

Can you explain this? I see that he was part of the assassination group with Zorg, scottishranger, and Hannibalbarc, but when did he become confirmed mafia?

[GeneralHankerchief]

@Kommo:

Andres made the Wiseguy PM public in this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1831916&postcount=1375) post.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Can you explain this? I see that he was part of the assassination group with Zorg, scottishranger, and Hannibalbarc, but when did he become confirmed mafia?

Their intent was to become a mafia group.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

"Becoming weary of your lies
You disguise the truth belies
Only fooling yourself
Pretend to bite the hand that feeds
But you won't discard your security
The transparency of your fantasy"
--Napalm Death


Sunset, Day Four

Louis VI the Fat was just about to gavel open the session when Commissioner Fermanagh strode into the room and up to the podium. After a hurried discussion with Louis, he spoke to the Committee.

“I’ve got some bad news folks. Three more of the committee were found dead today. No foul play is suspected, but we found the bodies of Fahad I, Killfr3nzy, and x-dANGEr on the beach just an hour ago. It appears they’d been drinking and fell asleep on the beach. All of them appear to have died of sunstroke. I’ll have the teams check to be sure of course, but for now this appears to be a simple tragedy.”

Louis hammered the gavel into the podium and began the session as Fermanagh exited.

If yesterday’s session had been contentious, this one would best be described as viscious. Accusations flew and evidence claims were made and even the Director claimed to know who the real criminals were. In the end, however, it all came down to a scribbled set of much crossed out and re-worked ballots.

Fermanagh’s team checked Louis’ tally carefully. In the end, it came down to one name.

“Omanes has been deemed guilty by the vote of this committee,” said Louis. He turned to Omanes, who had been quickly pinioned by two of Fermanagh’s guards. “How would you like to die Omanes?”

Omanes stared at Louis but made no reply.

“Cat got your tongue? Taken a vow of silence? How about this for an answer?”

Louis nodded to Corporal Muldoon who walked to Omanes, pulled out his service pistol, placed it against Omanes’ chest and pulled the trigger three times. Omanes blanched, but did not scream and did not fall from the grasp of the two officers. He simply stared at the ceiling and quietly bled to death.

The Committee started for their homes and another long hot summer’s night.


OOC

1. A long and tough review of votes folks. This review was NOT, I repeat, NOT helped by the folks who edited their :daisy: votes against the rules. Changed votes MUST be in a new post. DO NOT DO THIS AGAIN or sunstroke will achieve pandemic proportions.

2. Night 4 PM deadline is changed to 0800 EST 15 February (1300 GMT).

3. Vote Tally Day Four

Abstain = 9 (Haudegan, Ironside, Kukri, Grizzly, Mak, nn, Sara, w&f, Xehh II)

Omanes = 9 (Chimp, Count, gibson, Hiji, Kami, Lt.P, North, Scottish, TinCow)

GH = 8 (ajax, dutch, husar, omanes, prole, sigurd, True, Xiahou)

Dutch = 6 (Andres, BSR, Caius, Charge, Kage, Kommo)

Andres = 5 (Crate, Rabbit, FH, GH, Sasaki, Warluster)

Sigurd = 3 (Elite Ferret, Ichigo, Tran)

Xdeathfire = 1 (shlin28)

4. List of Players:

Still Alive: (64) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Andres, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, Chimpyang, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KamiKhaan, Kommodus, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, molonthegreat, Moros, Motep, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, , Proletariat, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, Rythmic, sapi, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, woad&fangs, Xdeathfire, Xehh II, Xiahou.

Attacked: (12) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Caius (N3), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Xdeathfire (N1), taka (N2), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Cowhead418 (N2)

Murdered: (8) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3)

Lynched: (4) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4)

Removed from Play: (3) Fahad I, Killfr3nzy, x-dANGEr

[Beefy187]

We all learnt our lessons... Dont drink on the beach

And... I got killed by a bible.. Am I a demon or something?

[Sarathos]

We all learnt our lessons... Dont drink on the beach

And... I got killed by a bible.. Am I a demon or something?

Only the devil himself Beefy :devil:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Betrayal is a terrible thing and this is the only sort I overlooked when formulating my plans.

All I have to say now is kill Louis as soon as possible. Of course I can't reveal my reasoning, but I assure you, he is not pro-town, and his reasons for revealing most of the family are not in your best interests. He's only doing this for himself and needs attention most critically.

[Csargo]

You all had the ability to chop the head off the snake but instead you lop off the tail?? Makes perfect sense.

[Andres]

OK, I'm past caring. I'm still alive, so I can share information as I see fit.

Louis and I worked together in this game. At least, that's what I thought.

The plan was to make Louis the second Made of our family asap. We did pretty well together, he acted as the perfect newly recruited Wiseguy.

Me and Louis killed Drisos on N1. Drisos was in the first townie protection group I infiltrated and I wanted to cripple them.

On N2, I wanted to go for BKS, an easy target, who would not be protected. The idea was to get Louis make the three required kills asap to become a Made. I was director at that time and bound to survive for at least another two nights, so if Louis would have done what was told, he would have become a Made gangster. Guaranteed.

Louis told me GH was mafia and needed to die. I wanted to kill GH with Louis instead. First he said he couldn't do that, afterwards, he agreed to take out GH.

For some unclear reasons, at the last minute, he refused to perform the hit on GH on N2. So, I attacked GH alone. Obvioulsy, the hit failed. I should have dumped Louis after that. Alas, the charming Frenchman talked himself out of it.

On N3, I got contacted by another Wiseguy who wanted to cooperate with us. Louis worked together with this Wiseguy and they killed Pannonian. The Stracci Luca and myself attacked GH for a second time.

GH survived miraculously.

After that, I came into trouble in the public thread, but it wasn't that bad. We still had two recruited, trustworthy Wiseguys, one (Louis) just needed one more kill to become a Made. Louis was director, he was pretty safe. He just had to talk himself out of things, if necessary get me lynched to draw suspicion away. Things were going smooth. In the meanwhile, since I was getting lynched anyway, I started to send several pm's to known wiseguys, in order to recruit them.

For some unclear reason, Louis decided to rat us out. He betrayed the Stracci family, but wanted me to survive. I don't know how he came up with Tran as the Made gangster. He probably took an easy target, a lurker who can't do much to defend himself.

Tran was not our Made gangster. You all know now who is the Made gangster of the Stracci family.

Louis betrayed our family and wanted me to become his puppet. He backstabbed us for his own personal glory, his aim was to abuse the last remaining Stracci to become a Don.

He thought I would turn out to be a traitor who happily backstabs his teammates.

Louis was wrong. I lie, I deceive, I play dirty in mafia. But one thing is for sure: I am and I will always be loyal to my team. I'm a teamplayer, not an individualist.

Louis, you made a miscalculation. The mistake in your plan was assuming that I am not a teamplayer.

I would say lynch us both tomorrow, but as a Director he will pick me and let himself live.

I call upon the Mafia families: make an example out of Louis. Once he's no longer director, kill him. This sort of disrespect and treason towards a mafia family cannot go unnoticed.

We are men of honor. Treacherous snakes need to die.

I have incriminating material against two other mafia Dons in this game. I won't use it yet. I expect Louis' head in return for the favour.

Good luck to the remaining mafia families! Watch out for traitors!

[PershsNhpios]

Louis, Louis, Louis... You betrayed us too then?
I guess you really can be persecuted for my death..

JimBob.. others.. I would recommend relinquishing any loyalty you have to the friendship of Louis and make sure you have plenty of protection from now on..

Dear me Louis, and I trusted you instead of Stranger.. We kept Stranger out of conversations and kept you in.

I apologise Stranger.

I smell me a hangin'!

[Andres]

For the record: Glenn was definitely pro-town.

Louis took out one of the pro-town power roles.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

You may also wish to mention the wise guy in training Andres. We don't want Louis exploiting him either. The best way is to get the entire family lynched/killed to prevent him from taking control.

[Andres]

You may also wish to mention the wise guy in training Andres. We don't want Louis exploiting him either. The best way is to get the entire family lynched/killed to prevent him from taking control.

Our second man in training can still chose his own path: pro-town or mafia. He has shown loyalty and has always been honest. Let's let him live and play his game.

I suggest we hereby declare him relieved from his Stracci-duties.

We deal with traitors, loyal men shouldn't be punished.

Good luck, mysterious Wiseguy :bow:

[CountArach]

When can we expect Andres: The Tell-All Story to hit our shelves? :laugh4:

But seriously - I think we should lynch Louis ASAP. Andres' story seems too in-depth in my eyes to be made-up. But hey, this is mafia, anything can happen. Can we hear a rebuttal Louis?

[Sarathos]

I wouldn't let him say anything. Like Andres said, Louis sweet talked his way of of troubles on two occasions and this is where it lead to. Please he is a convinced Don, what more evidence do you need?

[Tran]

I see that Louis is trying to save himself and he is definitely lynch-worthy...so he was supposed to be in the protection group and protect Glenn. Well...he didn't, he claimed that he took part in the murder of Pannonian instead.

Wait...if he is really pro-town, then why didn't he just protect Glenn? I just don't buy his reasonings as mentioned in Tincow's post...Louis admitted that he killed Pannonian, on behalf of the Mafia...

Then my defense:
He's trying to throw the suspicion into my direction. I'm not in any crime family, I did nothing in Night 1 and 2, and in Night 3 I failed to send my orders to protect someone. I believe Kommodus, GH, and LittleGrizzly can confirm this...(I already contacted Kommodus as early as Day or Night 1) we failed because we didn't manage to send orders in time (logged-in to Org at late hours)


Got it. :jumping:

I would like to thank the electorate for the sign of confidence they gave me. Serving as your director is an honour and a distinct pleasure. It is my firm belief that any elected offical must spoil his electorate rotten. Hence, I present you with the following, courtesy of me and one other player.

Stracchi family.


The 'Ballerina shoes' mafia.


Don: Omanes Alexandrapolitis

Luca: Dutch_Guy

Made: Tran.



Kills:
N1: Drisos. Tran and Andres.
N2: Failed attempt on GH.
N3: Pannonian. Tran and Louis.
Sorry, lads.

However, with this family now mortally wounded, I suggest we lynch a more imminent threat:
Vote: GH

Uh, Andres was my partner. If at all possible, would you mind me not having to lynch him? Thanks.


I might post later about some other fun stuff. Been a busy PM day. ~;)


A tous, je veux dire: par notre volonté collective, tout est possible.


Tally:

GH: 6 (Louis, ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites, CountArach)
Xdeathfire: 5 (GH, Shlin, Charge, Sasaki Kojiro, Andres)
Andres: 5 (CrazedRabbit, Gibson, TinCow, Caius, KukriKhan)
Sigurd: 4 (Husar, Ichigo, Elite Ferret, Sasaki)

Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)


Abstains: 8 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen)

Not voting: 41

[Ferret]

Louis has got to die for this, he's not pro-town or pro-mafia he'll kill us all if he can, whoever is mafia kill him or we can just lynch him later, but the sooner the better.

[PershsNhpios]

I believe this is the first time you have shown detail on any subject, Tran, why would this be so?
You think it is safe for your reputation now it seems we have a sure suspect?

Sarathos..
Louis is not a convinced Don, he isn't convinced of anything, nor is he a confirmed Don.
He may of wanted to be a Don - and I'm sure he will plead his case using the very post he gave to start all this and the fact he organised my protection.
However, being a Wise-Guy, and being therefore neutral to everyone - having participation in the Mafia and in one of the most discreet groups of pro-townies - no matter what his argument is - I think that the only way the truth can be obtained from Louis is by using a claw hammer to see the intricacies of his brain.

Even then, we may find nothing.

What I mean is - I have at one stage believed him totally innocent, and at another believed him guilty of the worst crimes of betrayal.
I was right to do both.

Because Louis is at a point in the game where he has no ties to anyone, and several different options. Which makes him unpredictable - which makes him suspicious - which makes him dangerous.

[Ferret]

and any danger to the town should be killed

[PershsNhpios]

Oh, I'm sorry Elite Ferret - I forgot to IMPLY that.
Dangers should die. Good motto.

[Andres]

Ok, Ladies and Gentlemen.

The Stracci family has a talented singer among their ranks.

Can I have your applause for our star of tonight:

Andres!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thank you, thank you.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I got some terrible news last night. I heard my whole family is suffering from a decease called "guiltinesia". It seems like we are all going to die.

This decease was caused by our pet snake, Louis. The doctor told us, the snake has to be exterminated to prevent the decease spreading among other people.

You can understand that I had to forget my sorrows, I was really attached to my friend Louis, so I emptied a bottle of whiskey.

In my drunken state, I took the artistic freedom to write a song, based on the well known song "Tom Dooley", which is supposed to be written by the poet Thomas C. Land.

Ahem, here we go know, ladies and gentlemen.

:guitarist: :singer: :drummer: :guitarist:


Hang down your head, snake Louis
Hang down your head and cry
Hang down your head, poor Louis
Poor boy, you’re bound to die

He met us at Dot Orgus, there he took our lives
Met us at Dot Orgus, backstabbed us with his knife

Hang down your head, poor Louis
Hang down your head and cry (ah-uh-eye)
Hang down your head, (oh beloved) snaky Louis
Poor boy, you’re bound to die

This time tomorrow,
reckon where I’ll be
Hadn't it been for our snake
I'd-a been with my Family

Hang down (your head) your head (Louis) and cry
Hang down your head and cry (ah poor pet, ah well-ah)
Hang down (your head) your head (Louis) and cry
Poor boy, you’re bound to die (ah well now snaky)

Hang down (your head) your head (Louis) and cry
Hang down your head and cry (ah poor thingy, ah well-ah)
Hang down (your head) your head (Louis) and cry
Poor snake, you’re bound to die

This time tomorrow,
reckon where he’ll be
Down in some lonesome valley
hangin’ from a white oak tree

Hang down your head, sneaky Louis
Hang down your head and cry (ah-uh-eye)
Hang down your head, beloved Louis
Poor boy, you’re bound to die (ah well now boy)

Hang down your head, sneaky Louis
Hang down your head and cry (poor pet ah well uh)
Hang down your head, sneaky Louis
Poor boy, you’re bound to die
Poor boy, you’re bound to die
Poor boy, you’re bound to die
Poor boy, you’re bound to .......die

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thank you,thank you :bow:

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Thank you! You were a fantastic audience! I love you guys!

:bow:

[PershsNhpios]

This may be poor reasoning - but hey - how am I supposed to have a firm decision made when my intestines are hanging forty feet in th air?

Even if some of the suspected are innocent, one of them is guilty, and I think we should all be very happy Andres sang us such a warm song and agree with his sentiments.

"Doo duh do-aye, Hang your head and die, little Louis, go an' have a cry, stabby Louis.."

[Sarathos]

Andres, that has to be the best musical post ever. Who can argue with that... :applause: :applause: :applause:

[TosaInu]

I am Don Corleone,

I see that the families are struggling and I would again invite the current Dons from the following families to the grand meeting of the Dons:

Don Stracchi (or the remaining member(s))
Don Barzini
Don Cunnio

I and Don Tataglia wait at the meeting place.
Please follow the guidelines outlined in the previous message.

PS!
To test if I am genuine, feel free to ask any question only a Don of Capo de Tutti Capi II would know in your initial e-mail (from your dummy e-mail account).

[Northnovas]

I loved the harmony in the second and third verses.

[Ferret]

Is Don Stracci actualy dead then? Or will we never know, I don't understand this game.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I am Don Corleone,

I see that the families are struggling and I would again invite the current Dons from the following families to the grand meeting of the DonsAre you panicking yet guys? Yes, you are struggling indeed. I know. :beam:


No need for the meeting, here's your strategy: the mafia teams up together, block votes Louis and the game is lost for the town. :yes:


Now I shall need to be excused while I return to uncovering who the members of GH'and Sasaki's family are...

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Is that the best you can do Louis? You are a single individual after all - how can your death result in the town ending up defeated?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We all learnt our lessons... Dont drink on the beach

And... I got killed by a bible.. Am I a demon or something?

Only if you were consumed by flame after having a certain passage from Tobias placed against your flesh. I think we can skip the demonology lessons. :cheesy:

[KukriKhan]

Looking at the writing style, TosaInu is not authoring his posts himself. So who is "channelling" him?

The actual author is not using north american or australian idioms (and I'd be surprised if the writer were found to be a UK'er) - rather the precisely correct style of a european 'english-as-second-language'-er. .

Andres, is that you?

[LittleGrizzly]

surely louis if you can carry on your work after the reveal's in this thread, then in 3 days time as a confirmed innocent you would be even more valuable to the town, does this not make sense to you ?

Then my defense:
He's trying to throw the suspicion into my direction. I'm not in any crime family, I did nothing in Night 1 and 2, and in Night 3 I failed to send my orders to protect someone. I believe Kommodus, GH, and LittleGrizzly can confirm this...(I already contacted Kommodus as early as Day or Night 1) we failed because we didn't manage to send orders in time (logged-in to Org at late hours)

I can confirm me GH Komm and tran were supposed to be doing some protection work night 3, the protection actually failed and i think Komm was the only one who actually sent his orders in. me, GH and tran were too late, but i think this is just down to the lateness with which we tried to organise the orders...

[Drisos]

OK, crap. I think we lost. We should've gotten in a nice triple or quadruple lynch in on louis and andres and some more scum... now it could very well be too late.

I say let's hope for loads of crosskills.

[Husar]

Looking at the writing style, TosaInu is not authoring his posts himself. So who is "channelling" him?

The actual author is not using north american or australian idioms (and I'd be surprised if the writer were found to be a UK'er) - rather the precisely correct style of a european 'english-as-second-language'-er. .

Andres, is that you?
I was hoping Sigurd but it doesn't seem to fit his writing style.
We have so many lurkers, might be any of them. :shrug:

Also interesting developments around Louis, of course his survival is crucial for the town now because he will soon tell us all about the two other mafia families. ~:rolleyes:
I think he got a lot of info from both sides and he may well try blackmailing us with it, should be safer to lynch him though.

[Proletariat]

So Andres wants Louis lynched because his own mafia family was turned upside down.

~:rolleyes:

[Andres]

So Andres wants Louis lynched because his own mafia family was turned upside down.

~:rolleyes:

Remember that Louis wanted me to stay alive. That's not what you would expect from a pro-town player, is it?

[Proletariat]

I'm gonna try and take sometime to look at the last few pages more closely, this doesn't really follow.

[TinCow]

So Andres wants Louis lynched because his own mafia family was turned upside down.

~:rolleyes:

Please tell me you do not think Louis is a good guy. Surely the events of the past day have made him totally untrustworthy to the town, regardless of his intentions. Dutch_guy and Andres are clearly Stracchi and should be lynched or offed in some way eventually. I think we can assume Tran is innocent for the moment, though an investigation would be nice. Regardless, Dutch_guy and Andres have to die eventually for a townie win and Louis is impossible to trust at this point. Under the circumstances, leaving any of them alive is a very foolish idea.

[Pannonian]

I'm gonna try and take sometime to look at the last few pages more closely, this doesn't really follow.
Didn't you say that leaving me and GH alive was a no-no, given the fact that we showed up as criminal, even if we might be no more than neutral wise guys? No family in their right mind is going to trust Louis after this, so he'll already have all the private info about the mafia as he's going to get in this game. Given that he's proven to be utterly untrustworthy to the town, as proven by his abandonment of Glenn's protection group and then lying about it, is there any justification for keeping him alive?

Louis has reached the end of his usefulness as a doubleteamer. He has to go, although at this point I still favour GH ahead of him (I have no idea why GH is still alive).

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I'm gonna try and take sometime to look at the last few pages more closely, this doesn't really follow.


Good Luck! :cheesy:

I actually DO know who all the players are and a fair portion of what most of them intend....and I still took 2.5 hours to process it all. :shocked2: :dizzy:

[TruePraetorian]

GH, and many others, are still alive because no one would cooperate in the lynch..was it that hard to even out some votes? No, instead we all (not me) hopped on the Omanes bandwagon in a messy unvote, vote phase in which all the votes were taken from some and given to one...i remember someone saying "not a very co-operative bunch are we?"

Loius is the definate next lynch target. Hell, I doubt anyone will protect him tonight do to his double backstabs..im in a protection group but would anyone start a vig group? We could then get Loius out of the way and then focus our lynch efforts on the rest of the Straccis, or even start on another family if some investigators knew anything. BTW, has anyone heard from a detective as of yet?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Louis is reminding me of the wolf in capo 1. I also had to betray a couple families and it came back to bite me.

I'll have to reread and make sure this makes sense, but it appears that:

Andres and louis were under suspicion
louis decided to betray his family trying to save himself,andres,and the third wise guy who could then continue on. Remember that after one more kill by louis he would be a made and one of them could become a don. Andres went along with this I'm not entirely sure why.
After being lynched omanes admits to having been betrayed. ergo he was the don. Seems dutch guy was mafia with him but tran was not. Andres admits to being the made.

So andres, dutch guy, and louis should go.

[Ferret]

I agree, if we let them live it wont be hard for them to reset up the family and that isn't good news for the town.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I believe that Louis was newly promoted to Made when he betrayed us - I had approved of it when Seamus had offered it (although I did consider it strange that it was offered after two kills rather than one). This basically means no going back to a pro-town status. He couldn't have become the Don without the approval and cooperation of Andres, so chose to allow him to live.

I assure you, the family will not be restarting using any original loyal member (Dutch_guy and Andres). Louis' intentions are probably to begin regrowing the family, but we are trying our very best to leave him with no materials to reconstruct it with. The Stracchi family's operation in Fatlington is dead and, if Seamus allows it, I am informed that all remaining members will be quitting the game at the end of this night phase.

[Proletariat]

This is fantastic. Let's just have only known mafia members tell the town what to do.

We have Andres, GH, Dutch Guy, Tran, and Sasaki yet Louis is the priority for a lynch?

Like Pan said, Louis can't do anything now, his trust is blown with everyone. Can we lynch some known mafia for once, then Louis? Trying to organise a multiple lynch is obviously an exercise in futility since right before the dead line Sasaki or GH or someone will come in and blow it again.

But at least we have mafiosi Andres and Omanes to tell the town what to do now!

:wall:

[TinCow]

Please explain, in detail, your reasons for saying Sasaki is mafia. He is one of the few people I really trust right now. Unless you can justify yourself, I will be forced to conclude that you are intentionally steering the town down the wrong track. It would also be nice if you would explain your reasoning behind Tran, since the events of yesterday make it pretty clear that he was a red herring thrown out by Louis to cover up for Andres, while still exposing the rest of the Stracchi.

[JimBob]

Unless a replacement for our inactive friend is found (crown! Come here now!) our organization is more or less defunct without Glenn. I am in contact with a detective. I urge any other detectives or pro-townies to come to me. I will serve as a clearing house for detective results and the organization of townie groups. I hope that the town can trust me at this point.

To begin. The entirety of results from my detective:
Night 2
Kommodus (criminal)
Andres (criminal).

Night 3
Sasaki (innocent)
Dutch_Guy (criminal)

Glenn and I also investigated on Night 2. Unfortunately we are no longer able to. Our result:
Crazed Rabbit (innocent)


Night 1 he was inactive. I fear for his safety. I'm ready to serve the town as mailman, until the mafia decides to kill me at least. I hope lady fortune smiles on me and I survive this night!

Your friendly neighborhood spokesman,
Jim

[LittleGrizzly]

I happen to think Tran may be innocent, well i don't have proof of that i certaintly don't see much proof of him being guilty either...

[Caius]

Anyway, we thank Louis for giving us Dutch_Guy, Andres, and himself as next lynchable guys. I suggest that Dutch_Guy and Andres should be killed by vigilante groups.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Anyway, we thank Louis for giving us Dutch_Guy, Andres, and himself as next lynchable guys. I suggest that Dutch_Guy and Andres should be killed by vigilante groups.That would be a bit of a waste of town time - they plan on leaving Fatlington after the night phase anyhow.

Regardless of what any of you thought of me before, with my family pretty much dead, my loyalty is now towards the town.

Louis has one resource he can use to build himself up - the previously mentioned wise guy. Since he has been working with us for a single night so far, it will take two more night phases for him to become a Made so Louis can progress to Don status. If this wise guy is willing to work with him that is. There is also a chance of him trying to further build up a consortium of criminals and, if he doesn't bump into anybody dangerous to him, he could quickly have a network of them up and running. This alone is dangerous enough. He has had access to our investigative results, and some criminals turned up in them, probably assisting him in his objective.

Regardless of what you think, people will still work with Louis - although the remains of my mafia won't, and neither will the town, there always are the neutral wise guys/gals out there who may wish to assist in developing a new Stracchi family.

As said, Louis needs to be lynched/killed within the next two days at least. The longer he's left alive, the longer the family will have had to regenerate under his leadership. I don't want him to survive and I assure you that the town doesn't want to miss the chance to completely obliterate a mafia group.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So Andres wants Louis lynched because his own mafia family was turned upside down.

~:rolleyes:

You are allied to louis in some way? You defend him, attack the people he wants lynched, and accuse the people who attack him. Scummy.

[Husar]

Some people forget that we made Louis the director....


Like Pan said, Louis can't do anything now, his trust is blown with everyone. Can we lynch some known mafia for once, then Louis? Trying to organise a multiple lynch is obviously an exercise in futility since right before the dead line Sasaki or GH or someone will come in and blow it again.
Or why would Louis help us with a multiple lynch after we promised to lynch him later anyway?
What we should do on the next, I'll say once we're there. ~D

It's currently night phase, so laying out a tactic for the town just gives the mafia the opportunity to change their kills around, trying to prevent our plans.

[Myrddraal]

Wow, a lot has happened! But I'm finally up to date.
Andres, I strongly suggest sharing your incriminating information, you can't reveal PMs after death

[Proletariat]

Care to explain your voting before the dead line last night, Sasaki?

At first, you're leading the charge against Xdeath. Then Louis' reveal pops up, and you're all for lynching the three Stracchi's, but only as long as it's by a high enough margin so they can't themselves change the vote... or is it because you wanted to keep GH out of the tie?

That seems the most likely since you switched your vote by editing your in post 1537. That is against the rules, and you obviously knew it. Then it's pointed out in the thread, that the best option for the town is to lynch GH and two Stracchi's (killing GeneralScum and destroying the Stracchis) then all of a sudden you become skeptical and change your vote, along with GH.

You put out the effort to do a detailed vote tally in every post of yours from 1542, 1552, 1558, 1563, to 1575. But for some reason, with 4 minutes until the lynch, you post this


I'm going to have to unvote, vote:GH

Some things bother me. My initial reason for trusting the reveal is innaccurate after rethinking. And now louis is refusing to post or send me the pm's with the stracchi family. If you just post them I'll switch back. Post 1604

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832725&postcount=1604

Take a look at that post, compare it to Sasaki's others. They all have this


Tally 1571

Omanes: 8(Tincow,GH,chimpyang,countArach,NorthNovas,Kamikh aan,Lt pinard,gibson)
Dutch Guy: 4(Kagemusha,Charge,Andres,Sasaki)
GH: 5 (ajaxfetish, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Omanes Alexandrapoites,Husar)
Andres: 4 (CrazedRabbit,Warluster, Caius)
Xdeathfire: 1 ( Shlin)
Sigurd: 2 ( Ichigo, Elite Ferret)
Rythmic: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstains: 14 (Hiji, LittleGriz, Sarathos, woad&fangs, Xehh II, Kage, Craterus, Haudegen, Ironside, Mak, BSR, KukriKhan, CountArach, Louis (not allowed))

For the first time he doesn't bother to do the tally, it's 4 minutes before we a had a tie that would've killed Omanes, Dutch Guy and General H.

Omanes died, but Sasaki saved Dutch Guy and General H.

Tincow, you can go ahead and believe I'm steering the town wrong because I don't trust Sasaki. But first take a look at Capo1 or any of the old large games Sasaki has been in. He's the best manipulator back here. This stunt Louis just pulled off is the kind of thing Sasaki does game in and game out. For awhile he would just get lynched every game first round because he can't be trusted. Do you remember what his previous sig was? A quote from Crazed Rabbit.

I don't care if Louis dies, it's pointless anyway now since no one protown or mafia will work with him. But we need to not get sidetracked by lynching people who aren't as dangerous as the actual mafia. Lynch Andres, Dutch Guy and GH. Then worry about Louis

[Kagemusha]

Prole, have you considered the possibility that Louis hasnt been working alone? Wouldnt it be possible that he hails from some other mafia family then Stracchi originally? In that case leaving him alive sounds like a bad policy.

[Husar]

Lynch Andres, Dutch Guy and GH. Then worry about Louis
Yeah so we create a three-way tie and Louis, who is going to die anyway, will then simply lynch noone just to annoy us. :dizzy2:

[TinCow]

Thank you for responding Proletariat. Unfortunately your logic and conclusions are very flawed.

First, you say that Sasaki didn't include a post tally with his last-minute vote change.


Take a look at that post, compare it to Sasaki's others. They all have this


For the first time he doesn't bother to do the tally, it's 4 minutes before we a had a tie that would've killed Omanes, Dutch Guy and General H.

This is true, but you blatantly ignore the fact that he posted an abbreviated tally two minutes later:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832730&postcount=1607

Then you say:


Omanes died, but Sasaki saved Dutch Guy and General H.

This is also blatantly false. When Sasaki changed his vote, he changed it from Omanes to GH. Yesterday's vote tally is very confusing to me, but basic mathematics shows that removing a point from Omanes and adding one to GH cannot possibly have saved GH. Sasaki made it more likely that GH would be lynched, not less.


Tincow, you can go ahead and believe I'm steering the town wrong because I don't trust Sasaki. But first take a look at Capo1 or any of the old large games Sasaki has been in. He's the best manipulator back here. This stunt Louis just pulled off is the kind of thing Sasaki does game in and game out. For awhile he would just get lynched every game first round because he can't be trusted. Do you remember what his previous sig was? A quote from Crazed Rabbit.

I have noticed that this is one of the major problems with this game. I am a complete Mafia noob, and it's obvious to me that many of you have pre-conceived notions about each others guilt and innocence based on earlier games. This is clouding the judgments of many, many people. You are basing your actions on expectations, not logic or evidence. I remember a post by you before saying that there was no fact or truth or absolutes (something along those lines) in Mafia. You could not be more wrong. I have been re-reviewing this thread from the start for the last hour or so and there is a TON of evidence available to us. A great deal of evidence based on investigations and analysis was put forward within the first day or two. A lot of that has turned out to be spot-on accurate due to the revealed information on (and by) Drisos, Andres, and Louis. At the time the information was revealed, no one could trust it, but that same information is now solid gold. To ignore it is either sheer ignorance or intentional misdirection.

I have watched you throughout this thread and you continuously make posts that make massive errors in logic and reasoning. Even now, after there is a ton of evidence that we can use to ferret out the mafia members, you ignore it, fabricate your own, and accuse people like Tran that are, at most, slightly suspect. In fact, you have only made one post in this entire thread that includes any decent analysis or argument at all: this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1830258&postcount=1188) about GH.

It may be true that I have no experience playing Mafia, but perhaps you have too much. Even if you are an innocent townie, you are actively harming our efforts with your posts. Get your mind in order and get on the ball, or stay quiet.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The best defense is a good offense huh? Quite a smokescreen you have here. Please explain your actions supporting louis.




Care to explain your voting before the dead line last night, Sasaki?

At first, you're leading the charge against Xdeath. Then Louis' reveal pops up, and you're all for lynching the three Stracchi's, but only as long as it's by a high enough margin so they can't themselves change the vote... or is it because you wanted to keep GH out of the tie?

Xdeath was a confirm wise guy with evil intent.
Louis revealed, I believed him, and set about finding the best way to get his accused lynched. You are completely ignoring all the effort I took to get GH included in the tie earlier.


That seems the most likely since you switched your vote by editing your in post 1537. That is against the rules, and you obviously knew it. Then it's pointed out in the thread, that the best option for the town is to lynch GH and two Stracchi's (killing GeneralScum and destroying the Stracchis) then all of a sudden you become skeptical and change your vote, along with GH.

I hit edit right after posting, intending to change my vote. Ended up taking a little longer than I thought as I added my explanation for believing louis. I posted a correct tally a few posts later so you can't accuse my of attempting to mislead. I became skeptical because I found andres and louis to be untrustworthy. Guess what? They are mafia.



You put out the effort to do a detailed vote tally in every post of yours from 1542, 1552, 1558, 1563, to 1575. But for some reason, with 4 minutes until the lynch, you post this



https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832725&postcount=1604

Take a look at that post, compare it to Sasaki's others. They all have this


For the first time he doesn't bother to do the tally, it's 4 minutes before we a had a tie that would've killed Omanes, Dutch Guy and General H.

Omanes died, but Sasaki saved Dutch Guy and General H.

I don't normally include a tally in every post. I thought it was urgent to include one given the circumstances. With half an hour to go I switched to a quick version. I don't get your point here.




Btw, GH was a wise guy to start the game. Louis is now a made. So your insistence on lynching GH before him is suspect. GH I think would try to join a mafia family if he was a wise guy. There's no evidence that he's succeeded. I shied away from him yesterday because louis was insisting on his lynch. He's a good candidate for lynch, but on the level of xdeathfire, not louis/andres/dutch guy.

[Husar]

Pretty much everybody with a big mouth is a good lynch canditate. :inquisitive:

[Husar]

I also want to note that certain people who shall remain unnamed have a full PM box...

But don't worry, it's not Seamus so my kills arrived in time. ~D

[TinCow]

I need to make a correction here before I have to commit myself to the Jerkwad Center for Hypocrisy. What I said in my previous post about Sasaki's changed vote was wrong. I was wrong because Proletariat was wrong. She said Sasaki changed his vote 4 minutes before the deadline and linked to this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832725&postcount=1604). I took it for granted that she was correct, which in hindsight was a dumb thing to do.

The problem is that that post was actually 1 hour and 4 minutes before the deadline and it wasn't Sasaki's last vote post. This (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832773&postcount=1626) was Sasaki's last vote post, it occurred 27 minutes before the deadline and he edited it 5 minutes later, 22 minutes before the deadline.

At the time GH and Sasaki decided to try and bandwagon Andres/Louis, the tally was as follows:

Omanes: 9 (Chimp, CountA, GH, gibson, Kamikhaan, Lt.Pin, NorthN, Scottish, TinCow)
Dutch_guy: 6 (Andres, Brave, Caius, Charge, Kage, Kommo, )
GH: 9 (ajaxfetish, Dutch, Husar, Omanes, Proletariat, TruePretorian, Xiahou, Sasaki, Sigurd)
Sigurd: 3 (Elite Ferret, Ichigo, Tran)
Andres: 2 (CR, Craterus)
Xdeathfire: 1 (shlin28)
Abstains: 11 (, Haudegen, hiji, Ironside, Kukri, LittleGriz, Maya, NN, Sarathos, Warluster, w&f, Xehh II)

The first vote change after this was GH, who switched from Omanes to Louis. This was due to an erroneous understanding on who they were going to bandwagon. He thought it was Louis, when it was actually Andres. He then switched it from Louis to Andres, which had the same result on the GH/Omanes/Dutch Guy vote count. GH’s vote change actually made him MORE vulnerable, since it put him 1 vote up on everyone else.

GH: 9
Omanes: 8
Dutch Guy: 6
Andres: 3

Sasaki then changed his vote to Louis, presumably after seeing GH’s original Louis vote, but not his altered Andres vote. Then saw GH's vote change to Andres, and followed suit. Regardless, he pulled his vote off GH. This RE-TIED THE VOTE BETWEEN OMANES AND GH. Sasaki's action made them both viable lynches, it did not let GH off the hook.

GH: 8
Omanes: 8
Dutch Guy: 6
Andres: 4

Factionheir then joined the bandwagon on Andres:

GH: 8
Omanes: 8
Dutch Guy: 6
Andres: 5

This is how it remained, until the very last vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1832780&postcount=1631), which was cast by Hiji 19 minutes before the deadline. He changed his vote from Abstain to Omanes.

Omanes: 9
GH: 8
Dutch Guy: 6
Andres: 5

This action put Omanes 1 up on GH and resulted in a single lynch instead of a double.

So, my original statement still stands that Sasaki did not spare GH in any way. His first vote change made GH more likely to be lynched. His second vote change made it a tie between Omanes and GH. His edit was due to GH's own vote change, which was due to a misunderstanding on who they were going to try and pump up the votes on.

Ug, I've been staring at this thread for far too long now. This game needs a rule limiting the number of times people can change their votes per day.

[Andres]

Andres, I strongly suggest sharing your incriminating information, you can't reveal PMs after death

I shared enough information. There are alot of very capable people still alive in this game.

You should know what to do next.

Whatever Seamus' decision about what me and Dutch_guy proposed is, it's game over for us.

We are defeated.

The only option left imo, is leaving this game honorably.

I wish you all the best of luck :2thumbsup:

[Twilightblade]

I'd like it to be known that I'm still around even though I havent been posting

[Sarathos]

But if you are around and not posting, whats the point of you being around? I think thats a deliberate WOG evasion.

[CountArach]

I'd like it to be known that I'm still around even though I havent been posting
Can you comment on something?

[naut]

Vote: Rythmic

His behavioral patterns, as detected by Holmes, are rather fishy...
Kommodus as good as Holmes is, it can't detect personal issues. I've been away at a University camp, and didn't get time to post my absence from the fora. :bow:

More to follow...

Edit: I'd also like to mention that if anyone had bothered to check my user profile they would have noticed that the last time I was active before today was on Wednesday morning (Australian time)/Tuesday afternoon (US time) completely missing both the last Night and Day phases.

[Andres]

Kommodus as good as Holmes is, it can't detect personal issues. I've been away at a University camp, and didn't get time to post my absence from the fora. :bow:

More to follow...

Edit: I'd also like to mention that if anyone had bothered to check my user profile they would have noticed that the last time I was active before today was on Wednesday morning (Australian time)/Tuesday afternoon (US time) completely missing both the last Night and Day phases.

On the other hand, there are some mafia families that didn't kill yet in this game :inquisitive:

[PershsNhpios]

On the other hand, where is everybody?
I am guessing they are all still reading page 46..

Is Louis dead yet? I lynch anyone to get that song on a CD!

"You told me a lie, naughty Louis, You were actually a spy, sneaky Louis.."

[Andres]

It's still night. Seamus extended this night phase to 8.00 EST (13.00 GMT).

[Drisos]

Well people, I'm backing off of this game. It's very big/time-absorbing, and I got loads to do the following days. I don't have time to follow properly anymore, so...

Good luck! :book:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Night 4 is concluded. No further PMs accepted. Day phase will begin as soon as I can summarize and post.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I call upon the Mafia families: make an example out of Louis. Once he's no longer director, kill him. This sort of disrespect and treason towards a mafia family cannot go unnoticed.

Good luck to the remaining mafia families! Watch out for traitors!Got you good, didn't I?

Anyway, I must say that I am amazed that people can walk up the stage, openly announce themselves as mafia, tell the town that it is outrageous that mafia should be hunted down, and that the town should immediately kill these nasty mafia hunters to set a clear example.

Actually, no, I am not amazed about that. What I am amazed about is that some townies would actually agree to it.

It is stupidity to the point of absurdity.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Is Louis dead yet? I lynch anyone to get that song on a CD!
Hello Glenn,

I have been the one single player with the most faith in you and JimBob. I have tried to save you from lynching at every opportunity. I have given it my best to organise protection groups, even when few players would believe in your innocence.

I shall even name you the people who killed you. You and everybody else read it here for the first time: Don Corleone.

That you and JimBob, and, no doubt, soon the third, are now under the spell of this same Don Corleone family is bitter and painful.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Louis was newly promoted to Made

Louis is now a made.Both are quite incorrect.

Conspiring with confirmed mafia, Sasaki?

I see you repeat every lie and disinformation this self-professed family spreads. A concerted effort? Have you been recruiting their remnants, for the coming surprises tonight?

I wonder what you have decided together with the other families at the meeting that your family, the Don Corleones, asked them to come to.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Post flooding alert!



He's trying to throw the suspicion into my direction. I'm not in any crime family, I did nothing in Night 1 and 2, and in Night 3 I failed to send my orders to protect someone. I believe Kommodus, GH, and LittleGrizzly can confirm this.Lies. You were a wiseguy with the Stracchi's. You killed Pannonian together with me. You can read all they had to say about you later. ~;)

Are you now part of Kommodus' family then?


@Kommodus, on N1, a rogue detective – who doesn’t give inaccurate results – showed you as criminal. JimBob showed you as criminal too.

Yet, you said in the thread that you should show up as ‘innocent’. This is a lie.

I am wondering, though. You are too experienced to simply lie about your status. Have you replaced the don of a family then? Did you know that Taka / Beefy would be attacked? Were you, perhaps, the luca of either one?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Here, you can all read up on the exact dealings with the Stracchi family. You will see that, unlike the claims from their ‘revelations’, Tran was indeed a recruited wiseguy. Also, Ichigo, would you mind explaining your recent dealings with them for us? Are you that ‘new wiseguy’ they are talking about?

It’s a long read, but full of goodies! Read from bottom to top.

The secret hideout from the Stracchi’s:

Part IV
Andres 89

14-02-2008 09:28 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 14-02-2008 09:45 don't post here anymore. Louis is reading this.

posts 78 - 89 can not be made public. They must be considered a post-mortem reveal, now that Omanes is dead.


Andres 77

13-02-2008 22:31 GMT (UK)
He claims Omanes told him. Apparantly Omanes somehow thought Louis was a Made by now.I don't blame Omanes though, Louis has played a dirty game.He wants me to survive. Probably he needs me to make his own Stracci family. Frankly, I don't understand it. We were doing good. Ok, I might have died as well as Louis, but we still had Tran and potential Wiseguy recruits.Now we lose three trustworthy members and we keep me (and all of this doesn't guarantee my survival one bit) and Louis (he might end up lynched as well, people will come back on this episode).What do you guys say? a) Louis blew it. We don't want to continue with this snake and we take him down with us.b) Louis has a masterplan, so let's play along. We can always take our revenge later on in case he does not have a master plan.What's your opinion Louis? We know you are reading this. Stop hiding.
Dutch 76

13-02-2008 22:24 GMT (UK)
How the hell did he figure out who else was in our family in the first place ? He only ever spoke directly with Andres, and I daresay anyone else would have been able to figure out our actual Role PMs.How weird, gonna be hard for us to turn this around for the best.
Andres 75

13-02-2008 22:02 GMT (UK)
Ok, I really didn't like what Louis did. It's despicable. For some reason, he wants me to live. I suspect him of wanting to abuse me further, to become Don Stracci.What do we do? We take down the rat Louis with us or we accept his backstabbing and I continue play with him (as long as I live, Stracci family is still there and we can still win this game).
Andres 74

13-02-2008 21:58 GMT (UK)
Omanes, did you tell Louis your identity?


Andres 73

13-02-2008 20:17 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 20:19 I ordered Louis to lynch anybody but me in case of a tie. I hope he realises both him and me are dead meat anyway.EDIT: I'll go and take a look in the chatroom. See what I can find.
Andres 72

13-02-2008 20:07 GMT (UK)
Capisce, Don Stracci
Omanes 71

13-02-2008 20:07 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 20:07 No - that could result in a mass number of fake wise guys trying to get into our ranks. I would rather avoid that.BTW, you may also want to contact Kommodus. He also claims wise guys status.
Andres 70

13-02-2008 20:02 GMT (UK)
Should I recruit in the thread as well?
Omanes 69

13-02-2008 20:00 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 20:04 Yep, go ahead. The only problem is that working with Louis slows down the process slightly - Tran cannot really work with him if Ichigo is. We could try a three player kill, but I would prefer to avoid revealing too much to any recruited player at such an early stage.
Andres 68

13-02-2008 19:48 GMT (UK)
Ichigo can cooperate with me or Louis next night. If he does what is told, we can let him work with Tran (who is still avoiding suspicion) afterwards.Dutch and Omanes, you guys are no suspects atm, I'd prefer to keep you identity secret.You know what? I'm going to die anyway. I'll contact BKS, WH and Ichigo. They are Wiseguys. Agree?
Dutch 67

13-02-2008 19:07 GMT (UK)
That sounds like a good plan, as I don't give Andres and Louis that much longer to live anyway. Unless something more pressing comes up to divert attention, but seems unlikely at this point.
Omanes 66

13-02-2008 17:33 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 17:48 For an unexplainable reason, Louis is coming slightly under the focus of the town. I can see him becoming a lynch target over the next few days.Going back on my plan of no further recruitment, I think it is time for Andres to attempt to drag in wise guys to replace the losses which it seems we are going to take - Ichigo is identified as one. It may be risky, but at this stage we have nothing to lose by using Andres for this purpose. If he does wish to enrol, we can group him up with Dutch_guy to ensure minimal contact from all wise guys with the current mafia core. I know this will leave me unprotected, but this is a risk I'm willing to take.
Omanes 65

13-02-2008 16:06 GMT (UK)
There must be some form of luck involved in kills. It's the only viable explanation, either that or there is something special about him we don't know. That's the problem with the red area in role PMs.
Dutch 64

13-02-2008 15:26 GMT (UK)
Yes, Sigurd needs to go. But how and why did the GH hit fail ? He wasn't protected, the story sort of rules that out, and as far as I know we both sent in our orders on time.
Omanes 63

13-02-2008 13:15 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 13:18 I must admit that I have no doubt that he is a Don of sorts.On a second thought perhaps he should become our target tonight rather than Ichigo. If you manage to live till tomorrow Andres, and if he's mysteriously saved, which he probably will be, then he is almost guaranteed to end up the main target, hopefully drawing suspicious eyes away from you.
Andres 62

13-02-2008 12:14 GMT (UK)
Sigurd was really pressing for my lynch and unvoted me for a crappy reason.Is it possible that Sigurd is Don Barzini? They want me dead.

Omanes 61

13-02-2008 07:34 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 11:17 I've chose to promote Louis to Made status. Once I get confirmation from Seamus I'll let him enter this secret area - once he's in, he can't turn back.taka and Beefy187's murders perfectly fit the characteristics of Dons who are without their Luca, so I'm exceedingly pleased they are gone. It leaves us free to remove other less high priority individuals over the following nights.So then, who to kill? I would prefer the targeting of only one player tonight using only Louis and Tran. I was thinking of Ichigo - he claims to be a wise guy and probably has decided his own path by now. This means he is either in with another family (probably inconvertible) or is pro-town. We could try and recruit him, but, as said, he's had enough time to determine his true loyalties.If we perform one kill, and Andres survives the day, we now have three investigations. Louis has one and Andres has two. As I said before, there is no point in trying to use them for recruitment purposes - we don't really need any extras and any wise guys that are lying around probably will have chosen their path. We probably should use our results more for locating victims for our kills (if anybody comes out criminal they instantaneously end up on the "to kill" list). I'll let the investigators choose who they want to look into for now. I can't really think of anybody.


Omanes 60

11-02-2008 20:18 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 11:16 Sorry - I missed out a key part - I meant Andres' "B" plan. Dutch_guy and Andres team up to kill GH, while Tran and Louis gang together to remove Pannonion.Although leaving me unprotected does increase my vulnerability, my PM states that I am fairly lucky when it comes to attacks compared to other players. I also think that two kills probably would be of a higher value than two investigations now recruitment isn't too critical.Andres, didn't you say that you thought that BKS was a wise guy? If so, you may wish to contact him. Do it as discreetly as possible though to avoid him causing too much damage should you be wrong.On another note, who to investigate? I was thinking of using the results to detect people to murder now rather than individuals to recruit. I say we look into Beefy187 and later taka. I am inclined to think they both are Dons, so if they turn up innocent we will have probably know this is the case.


Part III

Dutch 59
11-02-2008 19:20 GMT (UK)
Perhaps someone in the all-Dutch protectiongroup? Like Moros ? I have a feeling that we stand a chance of persuading him to, if need be, join our ranks if he turns out to be some sort of innocent towny or a wiseguy sort of criminal with higher ambitions. Other than that I have no idea, as all of the more active players have all been picked already, or will be this round. Anyway, I'll be protecting you then, Omanes ? Fine with that.
Omanes 58

11-02-2008 17:34 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 11-02-2008 20:11 We'll go with Andres' proposition for now.Any ideas who Andres should perform an investigation on?


Dutch 57

11-02-2008 17:27 GMT (UK)
In any case, taking out one player tonight is fine with me. If Omanes feels he can live through the night without an attempt on his life, and feels good about it, then Andres and I can team up (for old times sake) and kill GenH.
Andres 56

11-02-2008 16:41 GMT (UK)
I asked Seamus if it's possible for two Wiseguys to perform a succesful kill at night if they are doing it for a family.If so, I suggest Tran and Louis take out Pann. I can a) investigate two players ; b) team up with Dutch and try to kill GH once more. Off course, option b) means that Omanes stays unprotected tonight.
Andres 55

11-02-2008 16:23 GMT (UK)
After the failed attempt last night, GH probably will try to arrange some protection.So, BKS stays alive for now? We go after Pannonian then. I'll talk it over with Louis.
Dutch 54

11-02-2008 16:00 GMT (UK)
perhaps, but that means we should let him live. Anyway, Pannonian and GH should be killed next round. I suggest we murder Pannonian. At least two people suggested they received information that he acted like a criminal on at least one of the nights. Those (...dubious) claims and his reputation as a rather good player are reason enough for me to want him dead. Leaving him alive to garner suspicion isn't as good an action as it is in smaller games. Who knows what kind of reveal may happen this day or the next, deviating the attention away from him - yet again.
Omanes 53

11-02-2008 08:54 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 11-02-2008 08:54 Interesting - WH last visited the .Org on the 5th of February, six days ago. The mafia(s) seem a less active than I expected - perhaps he's a Made, holding a family's progress back?
Andres 52

10-02-2008 23:05 GMT (UK)
Warmaster Horus = criminal
Omanes 51

10-02-2008 18:25 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 11:14 Seems Seamus made an error in the creation of the write up - Andres lives, so everything isn't quite as dire as I originally suspected.As I said before though, Louis cannot not be trusted fully from this point onwards unless we are absolutely certain he is supporting us 100%. I would prefer him to be removed from our plans, but knowing Andres' identity already, the damage he could do now is no higher than what he could do later. His reluctance to participate in GH's murder and his secrecy regarding it makes me very, very wary of his true intentions though.On another note, taka's kill is like Beefy's - it fits in with that of a Don without their Luca's assistance. He would probably be a worthwhile target.
Omanes 50

10-02-2008 16:25 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 13-02-2008 11:15 Beefy187 wasn't killed - I'm quite surprised. I also thought that Andres was "unkillable" for the night. Very odd.Regardless, we shall recover. Louis cannot really be trusted from this point onwards - it's Ok revealing one of us, revealing two is fairly risky. We'll still try and link up Tran and BKS though and hope we can get them killing for us. Without Andres to do this as a proxy though, I do feel we are a little stuck - we either risk me ending up alone, or we send out you as his replacement. It's odd how the game turns around - yesterday everything was so rosy, today we are fairly vulnerable.For now I'll try my best to slip under the radar in the thread and remain as unnoticed as I can without getting accused of lurking. In the meantime, you can discreetly contact BKS and Tran. When it comes down to it, they can work together for the family with orders from us. At the worst they will end up feeding information to pro-town/mafia groups, probably killing one another and you. We just have to hope that won't happen.
Dutch 49

10-02-2008 15:51 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 10-02-2008 15:54 To expand on Omanes' reasoning, I'm quite dubious of Louis' intentions. Apparantly Andres was killed by Don Barzini, it's not unthinkable that Louis was in fact Barzini's made gangster, or I'm I wrong in thinking this? That said, it'll be quite hard for us to function without another killer, keeping in mind the safety of our Don. GeneralH, Drake need to go. generalH surviving yet another attack isn't good for us anyway, whatever his role may be.A quick EDIT: You know how we had the option of 'ordering' a kill with the Corleone family, well, it seems Andres was the victim of just one of those 'ordered' kills (prego, Don Barzino - You're welcome, Don Barzini). A random pick, or was this more than that ? Anyone in direct contact with Andres is a suspect, in my opinion.
Omanes 48

10-02-2008 07:23 GMT (UK)
Contact BKS and Tran if you are positive they won't betray us Andres. As before, keep me and Dutch_guy a total secret to them in case they have any plans beyond what we can directly see of them.If they both agree to join our outfit, they can work together under your orders for the family while you still work with Louis - two kills per night will be a lot better for us than one.On another note Andres, do you trust Louis? I'm unsure as to why he seemed so reluctant to kill GH in the first place, and then later withdrew because he was undergoing investigation. Are you sure his intentions are in our favour?
Dutch 47

09-02-2008 23:17 GMT (UK)
Perhaps contacting BKS in some sort of way would expand our influence somewhat ? He's one of those people who tends to get killed instead of lynched, unlike you, Andres, which can be a definite advantage to the family.
Andres 46

09-02-2008 21:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry for the double post. Louis panicked last night. He said he was "threatened" with an investigation. He also said I would be investigated as well. So he called the attack of, to avoid being found "guilty".Probably for the best. Unfortunately, I wasn't online from Friday afternoon until now, so I was too late to cancel my N2 orders. This probably mean a failed attempt on GH + a guilty result on me in case of an investigation.BKS is probably a Wiseguy. BKS+Louis+Tran = Three wiseguys, they can kill for the family...
Andres 45

09-02-2008 21:31 GMT (UK)
Tran contacted me. He wants to work together with me, it doesn't matter if I'm pro-town or mafia he says. He claims to be a Wiseguy, which is a flexible role...
Omanes 44

09-02-2008 08:43 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 09-02-2008 17:32 It seems that Tiberius of the Drake is in the Corleone family - his Don decrees that they must murder Beefy187 - the individual who I asked them to depose of.Regardless, I would say that he ought to be our murder target tomorrow night - if he survives the day that is.
Andres 43

08-02-2008 15:51 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 08-02-2008 15:52 I convinced Louis to cooperate in the assassination of GH. So GH will be our target.I can't be lynched tomorrow. So I can kill the next night as well.Besides, maybe I already got investigated and this is just a trick of Moros and co to avoid me killing tonight.
Omanes 42

08-02-2008 15:18 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 08-02-2008 15:20 Sorry Andres, I missed your original post - it was made within seconds of mine which probably caused the problem.I must admit that I would prefer you to avoid killing on this night phase and hope for the best. If your judgement thinks it's advisable though, you can carry on with the planned kill on BKS. Ensure you survive on the following day phase to see Louis through to "Made" though - this is critical in ensuring his loyalty.

Omanes 41

08-02-2008 14:12 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 08-02-2008 15:20 You'll have to kill BKS then - we'll deal with GH when Louis is promoted to Made - something I want to get done most urgently. I'm concerned about what these "restrictions" are though, and what effect they may have on our plans and goals.
Part IIAndres 40

08-02-2008 14:11 GMT (UK)
Ok, Moros told me that I'm going to be investigated tonight. If I participate in a killing the night I get investigated, I'll turn up as guilty. If I don't participate, I'll show up as "criminal".Frankly, I don't think I'll survive very long in this game. Might as well continue with the assasination.

Andres 39

08-02-2008 09:09 GMT (UK)
Louis told me that he cannot participate in a killing on GH.He wrote this:" Also, I was given a very good lead on a mafioso. His name is " GeneralHandkerchief. " If he is one of us, then I need to know NOW so I can spread " disinformation. And we'll need to think about damage control as well." If he is not one of us, I think we need to kill him right away. He is a " pro, far too good a player to be left alive as mafia competition." Can our family do two kills tonight? There are certain...'restrictions' " that I am not allowed to discuss that prevent me from joining a kill on " him. But I think it is extremely urgent that we take GH out as soon as " possible.
Dutch 38

07-02-2008 21:15 GMT (UK)
Well Andres, I'll take your word for it. Well, we might as well kill GH tonight, instead of BKS. If we have enough reason to think we'd be killing a rival mafioso (we seem to have), then why should we not take the opportunity ? BKS can always die at a later time.
Omanes 37

07-02-2008 19:59 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 07-02-2008 20:00 Tonight then, so far:Andres and Louis are killing Big King Santaphax (subject to change)Dutch_guy is protecting meAndres is investigating Warmaster Horus.Don Corelone's mafia will be killing Beefy187.I think Louis' claim may change things a little bit. I was positive that GH was mafia from the moment he started acting tetchy, so I have no doubt in my mind that Louis is telling the truth/is correct.Do you guys think it would be a good idea to get rid of GH, or should we stick with the original plan and remove the more obscure BKS?
Andres 36

07-02-2008 19:29 GMT (UK)
He didn't. One thing is for sure: I can trust Louis.
Dutch 35

07-02-2008 19:01 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 07-02-2008 19:05 Sounds good Omanes. And Andres, how did Louis back up his claim ?
Andres 34

07-02-2008 18:45 GMT (UK)
Louis told me he's 100 % that GeneralHankerchief is mafia.
Omanes 33

07-02-2008 16:52 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 07-02-2008 16:53 Tonight then, so far:Andres and Louis are killing Big King SantaphaxDutch_guy is protecting meDon Corelone's mafia will be killing a player who has not yet been decided.On that note, who should we investigate this night and who should we ask Corelone to deal with. On the investigative side of thinks, I think we should go for Warmaster Horus - he hasn't been online recently, so he probably won't respond to any "Join the Corelone family" messages they may throw it him should he appear to be a Wise Guy.As for the Corelone's kill, I say Beefy187 - he probably will be guarded by his Luca, should he be a mafia Don, but if he's saved again then I'm positive the town may start to look a little more closely at him. We may not have to kill him after all.
Dutch 32

07-02-2008 15:08 GMT (UK)
''On another note, pevergreen claims to be a Wise Guy. Does anybody fancy calling on him for recruitment at a later stage?''I suppose we could once the playing field thins out a little, and we get a somewhat better idea of the various families, townies and other roles. I don't like the idea of trying to win him over to our side, when he seems to lead quite a large bunch of people - who may just come to suspect something. Let's wait a bit before trying, if we decide to do so at all, to win him over.
Omanes 31

07-02-2008 13:03 GMT (UK)
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Andres 30

07-02-2008 12:57 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 07-02-2008 12:59 I killed, I didn't investigate.TS might not be a good choice indeed. Any other suggestions?EDIT: Damn! My role pm says I can still investigate one person if I'm involved in a murder. Bugger! I feel stupid now. Missed an opportunity.
Omanes 29

07-02-2008 12:34 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 07-02-2008 12:58 I'll drop Seamus a PM asking Don C to deal with TS on the night phase. I'm not too sure if this is the correct move though, since TS may end up murdered anyhow. We'll have to give him information in return for his "favour" - according to my PM, this is defined by the same nights investigate results being granted to him.Go ahead and kill BKS with Louis if you wish Andres.On another note, pevergreen claims to be a Wise Guy. Does anybody fancy calling on him for recruitment at a later stage?BTW, Andres, what investigative results did you gain for N1?
Andres 28

07-02-2008 11:02 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 07-02-2008 11:51 I'd prefer to hit someone with a low profile. A guaranteed kill. I want Louis to become a Made asap and only succesfull kills will achieve that.I'm the director tomorrow, so I won't get lynched. This night = I kill with Louis, next day = I'm guaranteed to say alive; next night = I kill with Louis = we have two Mades ;)What do you guys think of BKS as target for the next night?Omanes, can't you ask Don Corleone to take out Sigurd or TS?
Dutch 27

06-02-2008 22:29 GMT (UK)
Perhaps taking out either Pannonian or someone like Norwegian Nerd (his buddy comment struck me, as a Luca, as very interesting) should be done tonight? I wouldn't mind losing TS either, but I have a feeling he won't last the night anyway. By the by, I have not taken to infiltrating Pever's group yet. Doesn't seem in our interest to infiltrate a group headed by a suspicious player, whom we know absolutely nothing about. Plus, he'll probably get lynched tonight too. Anyway, Beefy, Sigurd, and NR should be dealt with in coming rounds. If we can't decide upon one of the above, we could always just pick some random individual.
Omanes 26

06-02-2008 20:57 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 07-02-2008 07:38 It sounds that he may be a Don without his Luca, yes. Sadly we can't suggest that Dons can survive a single attempt on their life alone - it's not mentioned in the rules and only I and other Dons have knowledge of it.We'll have to kill him manually it seems, although I don't doubt he'll pull his Luca in to protect him after last nights events. This probably will make things much harder.On that note, who to kill tonight. I want Dutch_guy with me, while Andres and Louis kill a selected individual. Any ideas for who to get rid of? According to Drisos, who we killed, Sigurd (Don) and The Stranger are on a mafia team. I don't doubt that somebody will go after them as a vigilante the following night, so probably aren't really worth considering.


Andres 25

06-02-2008 20:32 GMT (UK)
Beefy survived without somebody helping him...Is it possible that he's a Mafia Don?
Dutch 24

06-02-2008 18:10 GMT (UK)
TS's reply to Glenn is cliché even for TS, I'm not taking it as serious as Glenn is, quite frankly. I'll send Pever a PM, stating my cautious interest in assisting him and his 'followers'.
Omanes 23

06-02-2008 16:33 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 06-02-2008 16:41 Glenn seems to be a wise guy from what he's said, although he hasn't actually confirmed it fully. We can't really recruit him though, since he claims to be sworn pro-town. He's told me nothing major I don't know, sadly, but here's what he said in his reply anyhow:I have some information on Louis VI the Fat.It cannot be harmful to me, I shall share it.The Stranger for some time had been attempting to recruit me into a, 'protectiongroup', I at first assumed his innocence, as an honest man should.Then he became more and more forceful.In short, I asked him, "Can I refuse this offer?"The reply, "My offer you can't refuse".Now, regardless of my current friends, my role, or allegiance, I was forced to join under penalty of death.He threatened to have a huge bandwagon attempt put against me - which suggests strong connections in itself.Now - as a supposed member of this group, I am protecting Louis VI the Fat tonight with TruePraetorian and Dutch_Guy, both of which confirmed to me they were involved, both were very cautious.I have a contact in Stranger's other, "Protectiongroup".You handle your information like currency, I believe I have repaid you.I could tell you my role, but I could tell you anything regarding that. And I might break the rules in doing so in any case..I can tell you, I am a sworn pro-townie.I am going to bed, we may even settle an arrangement here without ever trusting each other.I don't know who Louis VI is, but note this - he attacked me in the Public thread long after I agreed to a protection - is he blind to those who serve him?Even if he is a townie, he has evil intentions.Good luck, Omanes - I hope this eases your suspicions somewhat.He's onto Louis, but I doubt anybody is going to listen to him - Glenn right now has too much suspicion focused upon him for anybody to listen if he says anything. His reasoning is also fairly poor, so I don't think it would do us much harm if he were to point it out.I say yes to your infiltration of pevergreen's group Dutch_guy, although I was considering doing it myself. Drop him a PM offering to assist, and we'll see how it progresses from there.
Dutch 22

06-02-2008 15:16 GMT (UK)
I could join Pever's group, people don't tend to suspect me as I keep a low profile in the initial stage of the game. I'd be able to provide info on the members of the group, and their actions. Glenn's communication with you sounds sort of sincere, but I wouldn't know in what way he'd be able to further our cause. I daresay he'd be gullible enough to let names slip which would be useful to us, but then again, who knows Anyway, Idon't quite know what to think about Glenn as of yet, but I don't see any problems with him contacting us (You, in this case though).
Omanes 21

06-02-2008 12:24 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 06-02-2008 13:04 Glenn has contacted me:It is impossible for either of us to declare the other innocent.But I have observed the motions of the public thread, and contacted some who showed rational reasoning - by rational I mean a broadened attention span in comparison to the likes of Ichigo and Sasaki.Some I came across gave me the impression I was staring into the gleaming teeth of a wolf.Some I was so lucky to find that I now can claim to have one good contact in this game.You don't need to know anymore, all I want to tell you is that I saw the same attitude in you that I saw in all the people who have been good to me.I have decided to take the first step in determining wether we can help each other.I can make a claim, due to my extreme luck and my boldness in PMing, to a reasonably successful intelligence network, and a good list of suspects and friends myself.I want to share this with the right people.Is there any way we can come to an agreement here?I've asked him what exactly he had in mind. I've told him that I believe Louis to be a Wise Guy and that he has a set of individuals following him which may be important in securing a townie victory. This was a bit of a risky move, I know, but if Glenn is innocent and he's looking for somebody to follow, along with a small number of other individuals, Louis could be a perfect agent for town manipulation.Also, pevergreen has thirteen individuals on his side. It may be useful to try and find out as much information as possible about this group, possibly through infiltration. It also may be a good idea to participate in it if we want individuals to back us up at a later stage. We'll see how things go.


Part I Dutch 20

05-02-2008 20:44 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 21:02 OK.Nice to have Louis on board, although scepticism is warranted I should say. First of all, can he not be a gangster from another family seeking to infiltrate ours ? He'd gladly kill someone, Drisos in the case, to do that.EDIT:Protecting PM sent to Seamus.
Andres 19

05-02-2008 20:15 GMT (UK)
a ballerina shoe it is then
Omanes 18

05-02-2008 20:02 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 20:13 If we can gather a large group around Louis, which seems possible (at current he is a townie magnet), then they could be easily be used unknowingly as agents. Although recruitment could be a possibility, it would take too long (three kills for an innocent to turn into a wise guy, and further three to promote them to made) and would be too risky to be worthwhile.The detective can be used for the purposes of finding recruits (as long as Louis can keep him from looking at us that is). The only problem with the detective is his knowledge of Louis' status - this may result in him doubting him at a later stage.As for the Doctor, I'm not too sure about him. I do believe he, like any other innocent, can kill three times for wise guy status, and then a further three for made status. The problem is the length of time and, as with other townies, whether he has the wish to enrol in the family.BTW, when you send the kill in, can you place a notification of the item we are using (at current the pink ballet shoe) somewhere in the PM. I've spammed Seamus' inbox a little too much over the past four hours.
Andres 17

05-02-2008 19:54 GMT (UK)
Ok Don Stracci. I sent my answer to Louis to you and Dutch as well. Don't worry, he can't see who has been put in CC.
Omanes 16

05-02-2008 19:50 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 19:53 Yep, join with Louis (although do bear in mind that training him to be a Made is a three night commitment). Don't reveal any of us beyond you to him until he is a Made though. Up to then he still can betray us/"go straight" behind our back. The reveal of one gangster can be recovered from, while the reveal of us all is deadly.
Andres 15

05-02-2008 19:39 GMT (UK)
Louis VI the Fat is a wise guy and wants to join us. I think I can believe his claim.How about Dutch protects Omanes and me and Louis kill Drisos? The sooner Louis gets to be a Made Gangster, the better I think.I suggest I work with Louis tonight. If it works (i.e. there is a kill description on Drisos), then we have a fourth member.
Dutch 14

05-02-2008 17:59 GMT (UK)
sorry for the triple posting. but another group has just contacted me, and I replied positively to their idea of protecting Louis. I won't, naturally, and blame the fact that I was already protecting Sigurd with TS's other PT group. Is that a workable excuse, you think ?BTW, the group is 'led' by TS and Glenn and TruePraetorian are the other two members.
Dutch 13

05-02-2008 17:36 GMT (UK)
Also, just to be sure, I wouldn't object to killing Drisos tonight - I've sent a PM to Seamus stating just that.
Dutch 12

05-02-2008 17:29 GMT (UK)
Well, someone 'obscure' is a fairly objective term. As obviously the role assignment was done randomly. Anyone could yield a potential useful result. Random picking someone seems best to me. Also, if our investigation yields a 'guilty/ criminal' result, then we know who to kill a round after. Also, DonC's reaction to a lucky 'guily/ criminal' result I'll be intersting to see. Also, on the subject of Norwegian Nerds buddy comment, we do one of two things. Either kill him now, he may be a Luca, or interogate him to find out who his buddy is. Either way, both have to die at one point or the other, hopefully Nor. Nerd 'll let a name slip. On the topic of the item, well, I still don't have good idea. I'm inspirationless at the moment, sorry.
Omanes 11

05-02-2008 17:10 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 17:22 I don't mind being alone for one night - as I've said, my PM indicates that I'm 90% safe anyhow until somebody sends an attack in my direction. Feel free to head off and nab Drisos. I'm going to PM Seamus with details, but you guys ought to PM him also for the sake of confirmation.Another question is the matter of investigations. I say we go for somebody obscure and useless for the moment, since anything we gather now will have to be given to Don Coleone if he requests it (this will be in exchange for him killing for us by N2). On that note, who would be a good target for our mafia buddies to go after when the time arises?I've also cleared something up with Seamus - the item only has to be left at 100% family based kills, so if I/we merge with innocent groups at any stage they will remain naive.On the topic of the item, does anybody have any further suggestions. If not, I'll go for the ballerina shoe.
Dutch 10

05-02-2008 17:06 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 17:07 ... [ damn pc crash]


Andres 9

05-02-2008 16:50 GMT (UK)
OK, Seamus counted Lt. Pindar's vote, allthough not bolded, as valid, because Pindar is new.So Kommo and I are both director, Kommo for the next day, I am for the day thereafter.
Dutch 8

05-02-2008 16:31 GMT (UK)
But do we really want to cripple the group at all ? I mean, since I can't kill anyone without risking our Don (well technically I can, seemingly) wouldn't it be an idea to use them to kill for us ? (read: for me). I'm going to reply in a positive manner, because I would have done the same were I a townie. You know, the whole trusting unconditionally thingy. Besides, even if one of us were in the group, we could still sit by idlely, hence rendering our group useless and still receiving (maybe) some extra information. I don't mind getting rid of Drisos by the way, so I'm willing to act upon that, if our Don doesn't mind being alone one night. If you do, Omanes, well, my priorities lie with you :)As for Pever and zorg... Well I don't trust both, Zorg's ROUND 1 concernse sound fake to me, and as mentioned in the above, I'm more inclined to be receptive towards group forming. If pever does wish to form a mafia group, then we can do two things. Kill him and be done with it, or perhaps make him see the benefit of joining our 'House'
Andres 7

05-02-2008 15:32 GMT (UK)
13 votes for me, 13 for Kommo, but one of the Kommo votes wasn't bolded, so it doesn't count.Helpfull as I am, I informed Seamus of this ;)So, me and Dutch will take care of Drisos tonight?
Omanes 6

05-02-2008 12:33 GMT (UK)
I'm with Andres - it seems that, for now, it's the best plan.pevergreen has invited me into a townie group. In all honesty I'm not sure how to respond, or if to respond at all. I think I will probably argue a little while about his true intentions, and then choose to work along side him with the supposed aim of town assistance. According to my PM I can protect or kill like a normal townie, so no problems should occur there.
Andres 5

05-02-2008 10:59 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 11:00 Ok, at first I refused to work with them, now Moros has "convinced" me.Drisos, Dutch_guy, TS, Moros and myself are in the "townie group". My pm says that my partcipation at a townies protection group won't have any influence. I guess the same goes for Dutch.Dutch can tell them he doesn't trust them, or he can ignore the pm's until the next day phase.I suggest me and Dutch kill Drisos tonight. It's a very likely target for mafia + it cripples the group of TS.The next day, Dutch can just refuse to work with the TS group and thus it will become useless, since it only has three members left: me, Moros and TS.If somebody has questions as to why the protection failed, we can blame it on the fact that one of the protection squad got killed.We have the advantage that alot of people don't seem to like TS's spamming style, so if Moros, TS or Drisos go public with this, then TS has to be accused of being the mole.
Omanes 4

05-02-2008 07:46 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 08:00 TS always was exceptionally open - he PMed me straight away in Kung Fu mafia having no idea of my status or role.The sacrificial tactic probably would be best avoided - in CTDC I the loss of simply one gangster at a critical stage spelt almost doom for one mafia family.Low profile may be a good idea for the early stages, or at least until we find an accompanying Made/Wise Guy for Andres. I would prefer it if Dutch_guy protected me, although according to my PM I can survive once without protection. A second time, I won't be so lucky. It could be possible for you two to act as a team until I am attacked, and then come back to protect me thereafter.I think, however, for now, it may be a good idea for Andres alone to go in TS's group, although maybe resist a little first to try and make him seem a less eager to get in than he really is. Once he's in, we can find full details of their plans, and try and direct them where we want them to go. Dutch_guy could make up some strong excuses (e.g. how do I know you're not the Don e.c.t.) hopefully getting him out of it so he can remain with me. Although it would be possible for him to withdraw after I've had my first attack, it may look a little strange. The only problem is whether we have to drop our marker at every kill we perform or have a part in. If this is the case, then using townies in this way could be risky - if they realise the mafia symbol was associated with their kill, they know somebody in the group isn't quite what they seem. This brings the risk of having the FoS pointed in the mole's direction.As for getting them over to our side, well, that may be difficult. If we detect any wise guys in the group, we could try it on with them, but it may be a very risky move - us probably being the only ones knowing their status.Also, I'm told that Don Corelone owes us a kill, and we owe him information in exchange by the 2nd Night Phase. I say we do some fairly useless investigative work up to then, hopefully providing them with fairly minimal stuff to go on.
Andres 3

04-02-2008 22:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Don Stracci and Luca Stracci.We do have one problem though: I can't kill by myself. We need at least one and preferably three Wiseguys to help us out. The problem is, how to find them without getting detected?One possibility is "sacrificing" me. I can send pm's to everybody and ask them to contact me if they are wiseguy/gals. Off course, some of them will be trying to get into our group. But nobody has to know you guys. All communication can go through me, it doesn't matter if I'm dead or alive. Besides, I'll probably get investigated and found guilty soon in the game anyway. Another possibility is to keep a low profile, i.e. Dutch protects Omanes and I only do investigations.
Dutch 2

04-02-2008 22:06 GMT (UK)
I think it's best if I protect you, Omanes, for the first couple of round. Let Andres do the actual killing. As for placing a mole in a group, well, that won't be a problem. The following is from a PM received from The Stranger (I summerized it a bit): -----------------------------My friends (Moros, DG, Andres).I ask you to accept my friendship for the duration of this game, that we may protect the town. To make this work, we need to trust eachother unconditionally (ooh, the irony!). Who will fight evil with me ?- TS ----------------------I'd suggest both Andres and myself infiltrate this group. Perhaps with the goal to convert them to our cause, if it seems they're wiling. As for a trademark...A pink ballerina shoe does sound a little unnatural, and doesn't sound like the sort of thing a respected and feared mafia family should be using. However, I'm quite clueless on what we should be using to mark our kills. Need to think about that one.
Omanes 1

04-02-2008 21:26 GMT (UK)
Edited by author 05-02-2008 07:17 General organisation:Don - Omanes AlexandrapolitesLuca - Dutch_guyMade - AndresWe might as well begin organising kills and such like for the moment. Any ideas, strategies or plans you guys can come up with - I'm a little clueless for now? At this stage random murders/investigations by Andres probably are the best plan, but we ought to adapt to any evidence which appears in the thread at a later stage.Does anybody have any ideas on infiltrating townie groups either - although it may be risky, I would like to deploy a mole in at least one of these groups, hopefully trying to manipulate them into following the family's will. Last time many of these groups, under Redleg and Louis, also managed to unite against the mafia, and were key in the townie victory. Preventing creation of a similar unity this time round may be a good idea. Removal of any innocents which may try to develop this unity later on could also be a wise plan.Recruitment is also a key issue - do we sit back and hope for the best, or do we go out of our way to find the wise guys and drag them into our team? The former will be the easiest approach yet very risky should any of the family end up murdered, while the latter could be dangerous if we end up asking the wrong people. We may have to set up a cover for recruitment purposes - possibly a trusted member we consider honest who isn't playing. Also Seamus has asked us to choose an item to mark each one of our kills with. I was considering a pink ballerina shoe, but I thought that might be a little unnatural and out of character. Any ideas from you guys?

[Louis VI the Fat]

I am not going to respond to every allegation that has been thrown my way. Pointless, most have come from self-declared mafiosi and their accomplishes anyway.

Here’s the deal, quick and simple:

A wiseguy starts out neutral. He can work towards a town or a mafia victory. Before this is over, we will have seen wiseguys betraying the town And wiseguys betraying the mafia.

Can somebody please tell me why betraying the mafia is considered scummy, and betraying the town unscummy? What, I ask, is the point of having wiseguys in the first place if they can only work towards a career in mafia? Were that so, every last wiseguy should be lynched immediately!
What the town needs to do, is not question and threaten with immediate death wiseguys who deliver mafia, but wiseguys who do not.

Remember, people who show up ‘criminal’ have a roughly fifty percent chance of being mafia in the first place.

Here’s a thought for the town – what have all these players claiming ‘pro-town’ wiseguy to show for their efforts? Why, my dear townies, is it so incredibly suspicious of a wiseguy to betray a family that you should lynch him immediately? At the behest, no less, of people who openly declare themselves Mafiosi?
And what is so unsuspicious about all those wiseguys who have absolutely nothing, zero, to show for their efforts? Excuse me – you think they are making all these kills on ‘suspects’ to save the town? This early in the game?

I would say, go forth and question all the other wiseguys, pressure them, lynch them until they can prove to you that they are working for the town. Then move on to the wiseguys who haven chosen a town career.

Have all the townies left the game? Given up paying attention? Are you all so overwhelmed by it all, to realise the simple game principle that wiseguys choose their role: town or mafia. And that it is precisely the non-mafia betraying wiseguys that you should hang?

Think about it.

[Caius]

HEllo guys,

I am currently having problems with my pc, as it entered in strike and wont recognize my HD.

I will be able to be here, but Im not sure how many time nor i will have time to read everything.

Sorry.

Caius.

[Husar]

I must say that there are truths in what Louis writes now, more than some of you may think...or want us to think...
Haven't read all of it yet but I found at least one hint that Louis didn't make this up.

[TinCow]

Hello Glenn,

I have been the one single player with the most faith in you and JimBob. I have tried to save you from lynching at every opportunity. I have given it my best to organise protection groups, even when few players would believe in your innocence.

I shall even name you the people who killed you. You and everybody else read it here for the first time: Don Corleone.

That you and JimBob, and, no doubt, soon the third, are now under the spell of this same Don Corleone family is bitter and painful.

Ahem. Let's not forget that you are personally responsible for Glenn's death. You were organizing his protection group and caused a great deal of confusion do to making changes in the order three times within 90 minutes of the deadline. You then intentionally did not submit orders for yourself to protect Glenn, resulting in the failure of the protection group due to inadequate numbers. Then, when asked about it, you lied about submitting your orders.

Yep, you've been a great friend to Glenn. Right up to the point where you intentionally got him killed, then tried to cover it up by pinning it on Husar.

[Moros]

Wow, That's gonna be a lot of reading. Or could someone post/pm me a good summary?

[Andres]

I am not going to respond to every allegation that has been thrown my way. Pointless, most have come from self-declared mafiosi and their accomplishes anyway.

Here’s the deal, quick and simple:

A wiseguy starts out neutral. He can work towards a town or a mafia victory. Before this is over, we will have seen wiseguys betraying the town And wiseguys betraying the mafia.

Can somebody please tell me why betraying the mafia is considered scummy, and betraying the town unscummy? What, I ask, is the point of having wiseguys in the first place if they can only work towards a career in mafia? Were that so, every last wiseguy should be lynched immediately!
What the town needs to do, is not question and threaten with immediate death wiseguys who deliver mafia, but wiseguys who do not.

Remember, people who show up ‘criminal’ have a roughly fifty percent chance of being mafia in the first place.

Here’s a thought for the town – what have all these players claiming ‘pro-town’ wiseguy to show for their efforts? Why, my dear townies, is it so incredibly suspicious of a wiseguy to betray a family that you should lynch him immediately? At the behest, no less, of people who openly declare themselves Mafiosi?
And what is so unsuspicious about all those wiseguys who have absolutely nothing, zero, to show for their efforts? Excuse me – you think they are making all these kills on ‘suspects’ to save the town? This early in the game?

I would say, go forth and question all the other wiseguys, pressure them, lynch them until they can prove to you that they are working for the town. Then move on to the wiseguys who haven chosen a town career.

Have all the townies left the game? Given up paying attention? Are you all so overwhelmed by it all, to realise the simple game principle that wiseguys choose their role: town or mafia. And that it is precisely the non-mafia betraying wiseguys that you should hang?

Think about it.

Eh, you conveniently forget to mention one little detail: your original plan was to let me, a Made gangster, live and to get an innocent (yep, you know damn well that our "second" Wiseguy wasn't Tran, not to mention the other subtle changes you made in our Stracci hideout quicktopic you quoted.) lynched instead of a mafioso.

Not exactly the behavior of a Wiseguy determined to go pro-town, hmmm?

Or did you let me live just for fun? Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Wiseguy Louis wanted a puppet Made Gangster, namely me. You don't have to believe me, just reread the thread and the primary reveal of the Stracci family by Louis. Did he name Andres as a Made Gangster? Nope, he said it was Tran. Now he says it is me. Sasaki said Louis is a Stracci Made Gangster. ~:confused:

I'm getting very confused. Who is the Stracci Made Gangster ?

a) Andres,
b) Tran,
c) Louis,
d) Louis and me,
e) Britney Spears

Oh, and no need to make this reflection either: why did it take Louis so long to just copy paste the information he just posted? Did he want to treat the material very carefully, to make sure no subtle changes or modifications are made to the original?

I'm just an evil mafioso telling nothing but lies. Everything I say are lies, idiocy and should be ignored :grin:

I'll enjoy seeing you all die at the hands of Louis :evil:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Ahem. Let's not forget that you are personally responsible for Glenn's death. You were organizing his protection group and caused a great deal of confusion do to making changes in the order three times within 90 minutes of the deadline. You then intentionally did not submit orders for yourself to protect Glenn, resulting in the failure of the protection group due to inadequate numbers. Then, when asked about it, you lied about submitting your orders.

Yep, you've been a great friend to Glenn. Right up to the point where you intentionally got him killed, then tried to cover it up by pinning it on Husar.I never pinned anything on Husar. I have never accused any of you three of deliberatly not sending in the orders.

An important part from your quote is 'You were organizing his protection group'. Yes, exactly.

Maybe you other three could simply have send in the orders for Seamus that I send you all, eh? Then Glenn would still be alive. There were four of us for a reason. The three of you, plus me.

I organised a protection group for Glenn. It was I who contacted the protectors. If I wanted Glenn murdered, I would simply NOT have organised a protection for him. :idea2:

Glenn had nowhere to go. I was one of the few who believed him. The plan was, of course, that there would still be three defenders on Glenn. That’s right, three. To keep him alive. There is no way that my actions can be explained as an attempt to kill Glenn.

An attempt at an alibi then? Nope. I knew Glenn would be attacked. There had ben attacks on him every night. Sasaki and GH’s balloon mafia had attacked Glenn for every night already. I expected an attack again. And I also know full well that Seamus always writes the amount of defenders in the write-up. I knew there would be trouble about unsend PM’s. So, there was no easy, unsuspicious alibi to be had from protecting Glenn. On the contrary. Trouble was always going to happen over it.

So, if I wanted either a good alibi, or the death of Glenn, then there is absolutely no way that I would have organised it the way I did. Both are obvious. So obvious, in fact, that I had not felt the need to defend it before. However, since some people are still connecting it with the Stracchi outing I think I should.

Oh, and why did I not simply organise a protection group of three defenders? Why did I have to lie I was in? Well, you tried organising a protection group for Glenn back then, eh? Half the town didn’t believe his role, and of the other half, half had been, shall we say, been estranged by his posting style. I asked Husar to join the protection group. For a start, Husar had voted to lynch Glenn the day. Next to that, his reply was typical of what I had to deal with:
Husar:
Glenn?
Sorry, but why? He's an annoying git and [anonymous] deserves the protection as well afaik.

What should I have said to Husar? I took him of another protection group to switch him to protecting Glenn. He was not happy. He had voted to have Glenn lynched. How could I have had him switched from protecting another townie to Glenn if I myself was not even going to (pretend) I was in?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Wiseguy Louis wanted a puppet Made Gangster, namely me. I did indeed.:beam:

I already had named more mobsters than the town could possibly hang. Why betray you already? Why let your made investigation powers go to waste prematurely? :2thumbsup:

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I assure you there is no lie in the fact that you were a Made when you betrayed us Louis. Seamus offered it to me, I accepted, and I then received nothing which indicated otherwise.

Despite the events surrounding this, as you can see in Louis' copy and paste of our private area, I was a secretive as possible and kept the identities of as many individuals as I could hidden from all wise guys.

Tran (Wise Guy) knew of Andres (Made) and Louis (Wise Guy later Made)
Louis (while a Wise Guy) knew of Andres (Made) and later Tran (Wise Guy)

I never revealed neither Dutch_guy nor myself to any wise guys at any stage. I planned to leave that till they became full Mades and henceforth ought to be trusted not to betray us. Before then, they could completely change their path.

Following this plan, I revealed everything to Louis after I knew that Seamus has received the PM and had had a long enough time (about six hours) to process it. I presumed he had mentioned the option of promotion to Louis first. I sincerely tell you that would never have told any normal wise guy the identity of any mafia core (Don/Luca) member and I wouldn't have told Louis should I have not been totally sure that the promotion had succeeded.

[Andres]

I assure you there is no lie in the fact that you were a Made when you betrayed us Louis. Seamus offered it to me, I accepted, and I then recieved nothing which indicated otherwise.

:yes:

He backstabbed his own family :no:

The thing is, he's the only one who doesn't realise it :wall:


I already had named more mobsters than the town could possibly hang. Why betray you already? Why let your made investigation powers go to waste prematurely?

Sure. I would have used those powers and would have given you the genuine results every night, as the nice little pet dog I would have been :coffeenews:

[TinCow]

An attempt at an alibi then? Nope. I knew Glenn would be attacked. There had ben attacks on him every night. Sasaki and GH’s balloon mafia had attacked Glenn for every night already. I expected an attack again. And I also know full well that Seamus always writes the amount of defenders in the write-up. I knew there would be trouble about unsend PM’s. So, there was no easy, unsuspicious alibi to be had from protecting Glenn. On the contrary. Trouble was always going to happen over it.

. . .

Oh, and why did I not simply organise a protection group of three defenders? Why did I have to lie I was in? Well, you tried organising a protection group for Glenn back then, eh? Half the town didn’t believe his role, and of the other half, half had been, shall we say, been estranged by his posting style. I asked Husar to join the protection group. For a start, Husar had voted to lynch Glenn the day.

I specifically told you that I also did not trust Glenn and was going to vote for his lynching the next day. So, you organized a protection group of 4 people, two of whom specifically informed you that they did not like or trust Glenn. Yet, you obviously trusted all three of us to submit our orders properly, because you didn't even feel the need to show up yourself. I do not have to point out the irony of the fact that only Husar and I, the two people who said we were going to lynch Glenn, actually sent in our orders to protect him.

As for not trying to cover it up, here are all my PMs with you after the failed protection...


Hello,


Did you send this in? In time?




This is the new, and definitive order for Seamus:



Protect Glenn:

Husar, Leet Eriksson, TinCow, louis.



You know I did, I CCed you on it.


Hello,


Did you send this in? In time?




This is the new, and definitive order for Seamus:



Protect Glenn:

Husar, Leet Eriksson, TinCow, louis.



Here you go. As I said in the thread, the problem could well be the confusion regarding the two changes to the orders.

Did you get any response from Husar and Leet Eriksson?


Protect Glenn = failure



Here you go. As I said in the thread, the problem could well be the confusion regarding the two changes to the orders.

Did you get any response from Husar and Leet Eriksson?


Protect Glenn = failureHusar claims to have send it in correctly.

Haven't heard anything from Leet.

Your Seamus' PM is the same as mine.


Then Husar must be lying or he made some error he isn't aware of. I have no way of knowing which it is. Do you want this information publicly disclosed or kept private?



Here you go. As I said in the thread, the problem could well be the confusion regarding the two changes to the orders.

Did you get any response from Husar and Leet Eriksson?


Protect Glenn = failureHusar claims to have send it in correctly.

Haven't heard anything from Leet.

Your Seamus' PM is the same as mine.



Then Husar must be lying or he made some error he isn't aware of. I have no way of knowing which it is. Do you want this information publicly disclosed or kept private?



Here you go. As I said in the thread, the problem could well be the confusion regarding the two changes to the orders.

Did you get any response from Husar and Leet Eriksson?


Protect Glenn = failureHusar claims to have send it in correctly.

Haven't heard anything from Leet.

Your Seamus' PM is the same as mine.Let's keep it quiet for now, I think?

If we have reason to be suspicious, then maybe we can investigate that person(s) first. I do not like to easily accuse people in public. However much it sucks, the only thing we know as of yet is that we do not know what happened last night.

I do not know what to make of it yet. I really don't. These things are more often than not the result of betrayal instead of confusion amongst members. However, the period before the deadline was particularly hectic. I certainly would not exclude betrayal.

I don't know TinCow. I'm too confused over what happened still, and about to go to bed. I'll think it all over tomorrow.


I will keep it quiet for now.

What is your opinion of Sasaki Kojiro? He has told me that he has contacts with another protection group that we could work with. If you trust him, we could start cooperating with them.



Then Husar must be lying or he made some error he isn't aware of. I have no way of knowing which it is. Do you want this information publicly disclosed or kept private?



Here you go. As I said in the thread, the problem could well be the confusion regarding the two changes to the orders.

Did you get any response from Husar and Leet Eriksson?


Protect Glenn = failureHusar claims to have send it in correctly.

Haven't heard anything from Leet.

Your Seamus' PM is the same as mine.Let's keep it quiet for now, I think?

If we have reason to be suspicious, then maybe we can investigate that person(s) first. I do not like to easily accuse people in public. However much it sucks, the only thing we know as of yet is that we do not know what happened last night.

I do not know what to make of it yet. I really don't. These things are more often than not the result of betrayal instead of confusion amongst members. However, the period before the deadline was particularly hectic. I certainly would not exclude betrayal.

I don't know TinCow. I'm too confused over what happened still, and about to go to bed. I'll think it all over tomorrow.

At that point, I thought about it more, consulted two people I trusted, and decided this information was too important to keep secret. I posted it, as we all know. You then admitted that it was you who failed to submit your orders. If you are so innocent, why did you lie about submitting your orders?

Louis, there is one inescapable fact about you that you really need to realize. You are completely untrustworthy. No one has any reason to trust you, no matter how much good information you supply. You have intentionally lied to the pro-townies (Husar and I). You have intentionally lied to (and betrayed) the mafia (Stracchi Family). No one will ever trust you again, no matter what you do. It's pretty obvious that you're done in this game, it's just a question of whether you will die by lynching, mafia hit, or vig group hit.

[Andres]

Louis, there is one inescapable fact about you that you really need to realize. You are completely untrustworthy. No one has any reason to trust you, no matter how much good information you supply. You have intentionally lied to the pro-townies (Husar and I). You have intentionally lied to (and betrayed) the mafia (Stracchi Family). No one will ever trust you again, no matter what you do. It's pretty obvious that you're done in this game, it's just a question of whether you will die by lynching, mafia hit, or vig group hit.

Lynch him. For a small fee, I'm willing to vote him :bow:

[TinCow]

I believe that Louis VI is hopelessly untrustworthy and should die soon, one way or another. Even if he is truly pro-town, we cannot trust him. Even if we could trust him, he will never be of any more use to the town because no Mafia will ever trust him. He will never produce anything worthwhile beyond what he has gotten out of the Stracchi. Given this situation, and the fact that he cannot be trusted by anyone and is rumored to be a Made, he cannot be allowed to live.

However, that does not mean we should ignore the evidence he has provided us. As untrustworthy as he is, his Stracchi evidence does look very good and has been proven. There are some interesting things in there that we should not ignore. Such as:


Sadly we can't suggest that Dons can survive a single attempt on their life alone - it's not mentioned in the rules and only I and other Dons have knowledge of it.


My role pm says I can still investigate one person if I'm involved in a murder.


Don Corelone's mafia will be killing Beefy187.


It seems that Tiberius of the Drake is in the Corleone family


Tran contacted me. He wants to work together with me, it doesn't matter if I'm pro-town or mafia he says. He claims to be a Wiseguy, which is a flexible role...


Apparantly Andres was killed by Don Barzini


Warmaster Horus = criminal


WH last visited the .Org on the 5th of February, six days ago. The mafia(s) seem a less active than I expected - perhaps he's a Made, holding a family's progress back?[


I've chose to promote Louis to Made status. Once I get confirmation from Seamus I'll let him enter this secret area - once he's in, he can't turn back.


Sigurd was really pressing for my lynch and unvoted me for a crappy reason.Is it possible that Sigurd is Don Barzini? They want me dead.


must admit that I have no doubt that he is a Don of sorts.


If he does what is told, we can let him work with Tran (who is still avoiding suspicion) afterwards.

Louis, thank you for killing the Stracchis and supplying the above. Now please die quietly, it's for the good of the town.

[Caius]

I have my pc back. Dont expect me to be active though, I have to backup some photos.

[Proletariat]

I'm in the kitchen right now buttering a muffin, will not be active for a few minutes

:brb:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It sounds that he may be a Don without his Luca, yes. Sadly we can't suggest that Dons can survive a single attempt on their life alone - it's not mentioned in the rules and only I and other Dons have knowledge of it.

Interesting.


I've chose to promote Louis to Made status. Once I get confirmation from Seamus I'll let him enter this secret area - once he's in, he can't turn back.

uh huh.


Don't reveal any of us beyond you to him until he is a Made though. Up to then he still can betray us/"go straight" behind our back. The reveal of one gangster can be recovered from, while the reveal of us all is deadly.

Sorry louis, there's no way omanes would have revealed anything to you unless you had been promoted to made.

You also tried to save a know gangster.

[Andres]

I'm in the kitchen right now buttering a muffin, will not be active for a few minutes

:brb:

:laugh4:

[Myrddraal]

It sounds that he may be a Don without his Luca, yes. Sadly we can't suggest that Dons can survive a single attempt on their life alone - it's not mentioned in the rules and only I and other Dons have knowledge of it.

Is Omanes saying that Don's can survive once without protection???

Does this remind you of any of the early attacks? Where people miraculously survived?

Also, it reminds me of something. I made a note early on in the game:

"Beefy says: "Thanks for letting me run out of luck too..""

But now given this new evidence, could he be a don?

I don't really remember the early game so well, except I remember there were others who were attacked who somehow survived, I just didn't make a note. If there are too many of them, it would seem unlikely that several dons were hit in the first few nights, but it's just a thought.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Main thread post #1745

"Babys black balloon makes her fly
I almost fell into that hole in your life
And youre not thinking about tomorrow
cause you were the same as me
But on your knees"
-- Goo Goo Dolls


Summary, Night Four

Proletariat left the wine bar that evening in good spirits, a gentle sense of euphoria – and her trusty umbrella -- carrying her through the rain in comfort. Though it was a dark and stormy night, darkness held little terror for Proletariat, and she refused to let the threat hanging over everyone in Fatlington prevent her from living her life as she wished. With a firm step, she turned toward the little park near the end of the boardwalk, intending to talk a brief walk among the trees and walk home on the boardwalk with its view of the dark Atlantic.

As she left the park and climbed the stairs to the boardwalk, she felt a stinging sensation in her neck. She grabbed quickly at the spot, only to find what appeared to be a sharpened dart with a single, perfect yellow rose attached. Proletariat knew what was coming, and ran for home. Amazed to have outrun whoever was pursuing her, she gratefully slammed the door and bolted it behind her. Then she thought about her neck.

<<Shouldn’t I be woozy or something?>>

Turning over the dart in her hand, Prole’ noticed that the small yellow rose to find it rolled in some sort of paper. She unrolled it -- it seemed to go on forever – but finally came to a simple message. "JUST KIDDING" was written in bold letters.

<<What kind of sick…>>

But she never finished the thought. She heard the hissing, smelled chloroform and then…

Proletariat awoke an hour or so later back in her favorite little park. Her head was resting on a pillow and someone had erected a tarp to shield her from the rain. As she looked around, the scene got even weirder. The tree nearest her had been defaced with a message carved into the bark, "Blessings are for the head of the just, but a rod for the back of the fool," her feet were stapled to the ground with what appeared to be horseshoes and her neck was clenched in a wire noose attached to a – deflated – weather balloon.

After freeing herself from the noose – someone had thoughtfully cut the ropes binding her hands – Proletariat noticed that the balloon had been deflated with a shotgun just before it would have yanked her upright to her death. She couldn’t make much sense of what was written on the balloon – “ncetnoni” – but she was grateful for whomever, or whatever, had saved her from a grisly death. It would be an hour before she could pry up the “staples” holding her in place.


Twilightblade was riding home after dinner – though it wasn’t an easy drive. The threatened rain had finally come and he could barely see 100 yards ahead. He was just about at the middle of the block when a car spun across the mouth of the far intersection blocking the entire street. Twilightblade slammed on the brakes. A quick glance in his rearview mirror revealed another car turning to block the intersection through which he’d just come.

<<oh…,>> thought T’blade. <<This does NOT look good.>>

Twighlightblade got out of the car but left the motor running. Drenched and ducking for cover, he could just make out the sedan blocking the mid-block alley on the passenger side. He turned.

The alley on his side was empty? ‘Blade didn’t wait to ponder why, he just pelted through the rain and puddles into the alley and away from the ambush. With the rain and poor visibility, he was a shadow after 10 seconds and gone in the next. When his car was retrieved early the next morning, Twilightblade noticed that it had been “keyed.” Someone had been just a little frustrated.


Kommodus was just a bit “defensive” this evening. He carried a .38 snub-nose as an equalizer and sported a sturdy bulletproof vest under his coat. It was beastly hot, even with the rain pounding down, but the protection was worth it. He worked his way back to his row home with a careful attention for his surroundings – awareness was the best defense. When the Fedora-clad figure stepped out from behind the stairs of the row home two houses up, even shadowed by the drenching rain, Kommodus was ready.

“Kommodus, you’re a filthy crook and its time to stand trial.”

Kommodus clicked off the safety on the .38, but kept it concealed. “Trial? Who the heck are you,” he said.

“I? The jury.” The stranger brought a gun up quickly, but Kommodus was every bit as fast with his snub. Both fired at the same time and both hit smack-dab in the center of mass. The stranger grunted and staggered back. Kommodus slammed back into the banister of the stairwell he’d just passed.

<<Can’t…breathe…>> thought Kommodus. The impact had broken ribs and he could feel a sharp searing pain in his left lung. Try as he might he couldn’t steady the snub for a second shot. The stranger stepped closer, breathing hard but coming forward.

“Nice shot, Kommo,” he grunted. “Too bad you prefer a lady’s gun.”

The stranger leveled his .577 Webley with both hands and shot Kommodus in the knee, shattering it and causing quick pulses of blood from a torn vein. Kommodus cut off the short scream, he’d let escape – desperately trying to regain control. He was woozy from the blood loss, both internal and external, and dropped the .38.

A .38 snub-nose was hardly a “lady’s gun” but the Webley fired a truly massive slug that could transmit lots of damage even through armor. Apparently, the stranger’s vest was more than ready for a .38 slug but Kommodus’ came up short against the .577.

“Say Goodnight Gracie,” said the stranger, mimicking George Burns. A carefully aimed shot hit the listless Kommodus in the neck, immediately below the adam’s apple, and the impact of the mushrooming bullet actually severed his head. The head bounced down the steps against which Kommodus had been leaning to roll into the rain-filled gutter. Nobody on the entire block admitted to seeing a thing.


Moros made only one mistake – he used the elevator. One of the most wonderful modern conveniences, the elevator gave everyone access to all 4 floors of the Public Library without the huffing and puffing entailed by several flights of stairs. It also put Moros in a confined space with only one exit.

He never really knew what hit him. His arrival had been announced by a beautiful brass dial pointing to the elevator’s current floor and a polite little <ding.> as the elevator reached the main level. The “potato masher” grenades had been allowed to “cook off” for a couple of seconds so they were more or less perfectly timed to go off just after being tossed into the elevator in the sumptuous Victorian lobby of the Library. The elevator would be unavailable for service for some time. A single perfect yellow rose made a striking contrast sitting gently on Moros’ torn body.


Xiahou and Sapi were in the midst of a conversation. Sapi seemed reluctant to go along with whatever Xiahou was proposing – but that wouldn’t matter much longer. Using the heavy rain along with trench coats and wide brimmed hats to shield their idenity, 3 gunmen stepped forward and – despite a dozen potential witnesses – pulled up tommy guns and shotguns to attack Xiahou.

Xiahou was hit several times quickly, but still managed slide across a park car and seek cover on the far side of the engine. His assailants closed the distance. Next, from across the street, another brace of gunmen opened fire with what appeared to be Browning auto-rifles. No one would ever be sure who killed Xiahou. He was hit from both directions at once as he staggered for the safety of an open doorway. Wounded more than a dozen times, he bled out before the ambulance could arrive.

The ambulance couldn’t do anything for Sapi either. He hadn’t been hit and wasn’t even targete. Unfortunately, as he backed horror-struck into the street away from the shooters, he’d placed himself in front of a large delivery truck that was already screeching to a halt to avoid the gunfire. It stopped short of the line of fire, but not of Sapi. He broke both legs and his neck in the impact, landing face down in the rain-filled gutter. Paralyzed from the neck break and unable to scream, he drowned in 4 inches of water.


<<Sushi,>> thought Proletariat. She’d developed a taste for the stuff while serving a stint as a nurse during the first year of the occupation. Tonight had been horrific enough to where she needed her own brand of comfort food along with just a bit of sake – at the proper temperature. She called Yoshioka-san – there was exactly one authentic Japanese style resteraunt in Fatlington, the Backroom at Yoshi’s tap house where a priviledged few were served the cuisine they’d come to love – and asked to come by for a very late dinner.

Nearly 2 hours later, Proletariat was walking through a dark and quiet Fatlington, a little apprehensive to be out again on her own, but warmed by the glow of warm sake and delicate sashimi. The desire for sushi makes one take strange chances – and in this case a dangerous chance.

She was nearly home when she saw a man standing in front of her apartment house, carrying what looked like at least half a dozen red and green balloons. She gave a little gasp as her warm dinner suddenly surged in a desire to reverse course.

<<balloons….>>

Proletariat forced herself to steady. Her right hand rested on the semi automatic in her coat pocket – thumbing off the safety. It was locked and loaded (she’d taken to leaving a round chambered) and she was a good shot. If this man meant harm, she’d do what was needful.

”Care for a balloon, miss,” said the stranger spoke, with a difficult to place European accent? “I’d suggest a green one, matches your eyes perfectly!”

“No. Now step aside.”

“Ma’am,” said the stranger questioningly, his face assuming a “hurt puppy-dog” look. “A red one perhaps?”

“Get that f…” Prole caught herself. Surely this man meant no harm? He certainly looked harmless enough. Plus, nothing a shot to the head wouldn’t solve.

“I find I don’t like balloons much, anymore. No thank you.”

”With my compliments then,” said the man, extending a green balloon her way. Prole involuntarily backed up a few steps, taking her into the street.

Some 70 yards away, a pale man waiting in his car saw Proletariat back into the street, gunned the engine and slammed the car into gear. << Can’t believe it’s almost over,>> the driver thought. <<We could have meant so much to this little town. Damn backstabbers…>> The car quickly ate the distance between itself and Prole.’

Prole glance at the car, then noticed that the balloon salesman was blocking the space between cars she’d just come through – she was trapped! Prole cleared her semi automatic smoothly, but it was too late. She heard the “balloon” salesman shouting “Sayonara” as she turned to take a desperate shot at the car.

Which slammed to a sudden and unexpected stop less than 50 feet away. Somehow, someone in a car only 30 feet away had nudged the nose of their vehicle into the street just in time to absorb the killing impact meant for Proletariat.

The balloon salesman flung his change belt at Proletariat as a distraction and ducked into the doorway of the store they’d been standing near. A planned escape route got him safely away. The driver of the kill car, cursing failure, slammed his car into reverse before Proletariat could get off a clear shot and made it out of sight. The car was abandoned shortly thereafter. Prole’ never saw the driver who’d blocked her death. She went home to spend a sleepless night.


Waffles. GeneralHankerchief loved them. The rich buttery taste, the way they soaked up the sweetly bitter maple syrup. Today must begin with waffles, he thought. He was up before dawn, still night at least technically, and on his bike and headed down the boardwalk to his favorite breakfast haunt. Last night’s drenching rain had given way to clear sky and slightly cooler weather. He would be the first customer of the day for a change, but then again maybe not – no one in Fatlington was sleeping well these days. He was about halfway up the boardwalk when his bike lurched and ground to a quick mushy stop.

<<A flat? UN-acceptible, >> thought GH! “Always be prepared” he said out loud, chuckling.

He always had a pump with him – his waffling need not be interrupted. As he knelt on one knee to fix the tire, a friendly voice spoke from behind:

"Perhaps you need a little more "air."

A quick pinprick sensation in his neck and GH was suddenly fumbling, moving too slowly to counter the threat. His hands were yanked behind him and quickly handcuffed together. Barely able to stand he offered no resistance when the wire noose was flung over his head.

The voice quietly chucked, then spoke. “This pump is much better then yours.” GH could barely make out the face of the man now staring rapturously at the auto inflation pump he was engaging – a powerful compressed gas transfer tool. It was….

An auto-inflation tank quickly filled the weather balloon to capacity, taking GeneralHankerchief skyward while strangling him. It took him several minutes to die, slowly strangling as the first true rays of dawn reflected off his faintly struggling form and the bright, silver balloon. His death did spare him the pain he would have felt when, after a trip of more than a mile, his body was impaled on one of the long brass horns of the gargoyle/drain spouts atop the Hotel Abbatoir. He hung there in the sun for some time.

The balloon had been carefully stenciled with the legend Matt. 12:31
The police found GH's bike in the same spot he left it, except for the little bicycle pump, that now had a neatly printed little card attached reading “16 over 100.” This tidbit of evidence was, of course, mis-placed by one of Fermanagh’s “crack” detectives – apparently anyone with a working brain was already undercover. It was found, hours later and returned to the evidence locker….with a patrol shift’s doughnut order on the back. Ah…Fatlington.


Morning, Day Five.

<<Fatlington,>> thought Fermanagh. <<Why in the names of all the saints had he taken a position here? Oh yeah, he’d wanted to do his copping away from the big city and all that violence. I really need a finger of Bush.>>

“So anyway, the results on pevergreen indicate that he was some kind of criminal – a WiseGuy is the term we kept hearing – but wasn’t know to be part of one of the reputed crime families. He was said to be affiliated with all sorts of shady groups. I say we’re better off without him.”

“Lord Winter, on the other hand, was just what he appeared to be – an innocent Fatling who got murdered by the mafia scum who are terrorizing us all. I implore you to hang them all higher than Haman!”

Fermanagh left the room. Louis reminded everyone about the procedures for the evening meeting and further reminded that a Director – not necessarily a new one – should also be selected today.



OOC

1. Voting for lynch and Selection of Director for Days 6 & & commences. All votes need to be recorded in this thread by 1200 EST 16 Feb 08 (1700 GMT).

2. NO EDITED VOTES WILL BE TOLERATED. YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE THE VOTING PROCESS IF YOU DO.

3. List of Players:

Still Alive: (59) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Andres, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, Chimpyang, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KamiKhaan, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, molonthegreat, Motep, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, Rythmic, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, woad&fangs, Xdeathfire, Xehh II.

Attacked: (15) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Caius (N3), Cowhead418 (N2), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Proletariat (N4, N4), taka (N2), Twilightblade (N4), Xdeathfire (N1)

Murdered: (12) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4)

Lynched: (4) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4)

Removed from Play: (4) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4)

4. Investigation results and the like posted as time permits.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So I'm in the weather balloon mafia, eh Louis?

Kill him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Eh, you conveniently forget to mention one little detail: your original plan was to let me, a Made gangster, live and to get an innocent (yep, you know damn well that our "second" Wiseguy wasn't Tran, not to mention the other subtle changes you made in our Stracci hideout quicktopic you quoted.) lynched instead of a mafioso.


Oh, and no need to make this reflection either: why did it take Louis so long to just copy paste the information he just posted? Did he want to treat the material very carefully, to make sure no subtle changes or modifications are made to the original?

I'm just an evil mafioso telling nothing but lies. Everything I say are lies, idiocy and should be ignored :grin:

I'll enjoy seeing you all die at the hands of Louis :evil:

Omanes says tran was his wise guy and if he had changed the log you could have posted the changes. Your still mafia scum andres :smash:

[Pannonian]

So I'm in the weather balloon mafia, eh Louis?

Kill him.
Let's not be hasty here. There are still questions that need to be answered about Louis.

Such as how high to hang him.

[Andres]

Omanes says tran was his wise guy and if he had changed the log you could have posted the changes. Your still mafia scum andres :smash:

You can't lynch all three (or is it four? Or maybe five? Who knows?) of us today...

Besides, the triple, quadruple lynch system is bound to fail: one mistake in a tally, one last minute vote by mistake and bye bye triple lynch ~:wave:

You were one of those editing his post to change a vote, which is was (Seamus has forbidden this) one way to make the multiple lynch system fail.

Wasn't said multiple lynches system your idea, you manipulative sneaky old snake ~;)

"We need to lynch four players at a time!" = The perfect tool to make the town screw up again and again and again and...

I've always loved your style and dirty tricks Sasaki :bow:

Vote : Sasaki Kojiro


Off course, my vote is subject to change. Many changes, that is :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Prole got attacked twice and saved twice by a single person. Looks like she's a mafia don to me.

Unfortunately andres and dutch guy are still alive. We have to wonder if louis will lynch them. Although it appears they didn't make any attempt to kill last night.

Utmost priority we select a trustworthy director today.

Kommodus seems to have been killed by a solitary figure.